1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,907 Speaker 1: from Newstalks EDB Geller. 3 00:00:12,987 --> 00:00:15,307 Speaker 2: Listeners to the show will know that on a regular 4 00:00:15,307 --> 00:00:17,027 Speaker 2: basis we get the benefit of the wisdom of our 5 00:00:17,027 --> 00:00:21,427 Speaker 2: coaching guru, Wayne Goldsmith. Wayne, thanks for joining us in 6 00:00:21,467 --> 00:00:24,387 Speaker 2: your regular slot. I wanted to talk today about REP 7 00:00:24,387 --> 00:00:26,707 Speaker 2: teams with state of origin in the weak ahere the 8 00:00:26,747 --> 00:00:29,547 Speaker 2: British and Irish lines about the head down Under and 9 00:00:29,587 --> 00:00:32,067 Speaker 2: the challenges of pulling together players from a bunch of 10 00:00:32,107 --> 00:00:35,627 Speaker 2: different places and trying to mesh them effectively. What is 11 00:00:35,627 --> 00:00:38,707 Speaker 2: the best way, in general terms to start with to 12 00:00:38,747 --> 00:00:43,107 Speaker 2: bring together players from different teams into a unified, cohesive unit, 13 00:00:43,187 --> 00:00:45,547 Speaker 2: often with very limited time. 14 00:00:46,587 --> 00:00:49,067 Speaker 3: Well, the word you use there is the key piney 15 00:00:49,187 --> 00:00:54,587 Speaker 3: is unified. Is when you've got a group of people 16 00:00:54,627 --> 00:00:57,387 Speaker 3: coming together that have been selected in a REP team, 17 00:00:57,427 --> 00:01:01,187 Speaker 3: who are going to play other great players. It's not 18 00:01:01,547 --> 00:01:04,347 Speaker 3: really an issue of talent, and it's certainly not an 19 00:01:04,387 --> 00:01:08,347 Speaker 3: issue of motivation and well it's figuring out what have 20 00:01:08,507 --> 00:01:12,307 Speaker 3: I got to do to unify this group and get 21 00:01:12,307 --> 00:01:14,507 Speaker 3: them all heading in the one direction and doing it 22 00:01:14,547 --> 00:01:17,547 Speaker 3: in a way which allows them to play to their 23 00:01:17,547 --> 00:01:21,067 Speaker 3: full potential. And you know, in the past, some coaches 24 00:01:21,107 --> 00:01:23,067 Speaker 3: have gone, well, I'm going to bring them in to 25 00:01:24,267 --> 00:01:27,587 Speaker 3: got a model, and I'll make everybody play to my model, 26 00:01:27,667 --> 00:01:30,707 Speaker 3: my system, And then other coaches will go, well, you know, 27 00:01:31,267 --> 00:01:35,107 Speaker 3: instead of me telling them what I want them to 28 00:01:35,107 --> 00:01:37,867 Speaker 3: do for me or to play my way, the smarter 29 00:01:37,987 --> 00:01:40,707 Speaker 3: way to go seems to be to get to know 30 00:01:40,787 --> 00:01:43,947 Speaker 3: the players really well and understand them almost as well 31 00:01:44,427 --> 00:01:48,027 Speaker 3: as their home coach will, and then in that context, 32 00:01:48,147 --> 00:01:51,907 Speaker 3: creating an environment where they can really play at their 33 00:01:51,947 --> 00:01:56,067 Speaker 3: full potential, but within that single focus. But it's a 34 00:01:56,067 --> 00:01:58,587 Speaker 3: tricky one because, as you say, good often they've got 35 00:01:58,627 --> 00:01:59,587 Speaker 3: no time to do it. 36 00:02:00,947 --> 00:02:04,067 Speaker 2: Just on the time factor, Then what is the best 37 00:02:04,187 --> 00:02:07,067 Speaker 2: use of limited time in a situation like this, What 38 00:02:07,107 --> 00:02:09,107 Speaker 2: should I mean there must be one hundred things you 39 00:02:09,107 --> 00:02:12,747 Speaker 2: could focus on. What are the most valuable things to 40 00:02:12,907 --> 00:02:13,507 Speaker 2: focus on? 41 00:02:15,027 --> 00:02:18,467 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the general belief, and that you haven't 42 00:02:18,507 --> 00:02:22,187 Speaker 3: talked to a lot of rep team coaches over the years, 43 00:02:22,827 --> 00:02:25,027 Speaker 3: is you've got to make some assumptions. So you know, 44 00:02:25,067 --> 00:02:28,667 Speaker 3: if you're coaching at club level, there's an assumption that 45 00:02:28,747 --> 00:02:31,867 Speaker 3: you can improve fitness, and there's an assumption you can 46 00:02:31,907 --> 00:02:36,747 Speaker 3: improve skill level and you're working on all these things. 47 00:02:36,987 --> 00:02:38,947 Speaker 3: I think you've got the best of the best. You've 48 00:02:38,947 --> 00:02:41,227 Speaker 3: got to assume they can catch a ball. You've got 49 00:02:41,267 --> 00:02:44,267 Speaker 3: to assume they can pass a ball. You can make 50 00:02:44,307 --> 00:02:48,387 Speaker 3: some assumptions about things that you don't have to do 51 00:02:48,467 --> 00:02:50,667 Speaker 3: and you can eliminate them. So so well, you know, 52 00:02:50,707 --> 00:02:52,827 Speaker 3: we might do a little bit of skills work in practice, 53 00:02:52,907 --> 00:02:55,267 Speaker 3: but we don't have to do that because these are 54 00:02:55,307 --> 00:02:57,787 Speaker 3: the best players in the game. So we don't have 55 00:02:57,867 --> 00:03:01,187 Speaker 3: to do a lot of basic stuff or speed work 56 00:03:01,307 --> 00:03:03,707 Speaker 3: or conditioning. You don't have to do any of that 57 00:03:03,747 --> 00:03:06,867 Speaker 3: stuff in the majority of REP teams because you're going 58 00:03:06,907 --> 00:03:09,987 Speaker 3: to assume they're doing that anyway. The things that matter 59 00:03:10,027 --> 00:03:12,307 Speaker 3: that you've got to prioritize. Okay, what are the things 60 00:03:12,307 --> 00:03:14,467 Speaker 3: that are going to stop us from winning. They're going 61 00:03:14,547 --> 00:03:18,987 Speaker 3: to be skill execution in that environment, so that's a 62 00:03:19,067 --> 00:03:21,187 Speaker 3: mental and a physical thing, or it's going to be 63 00:03:21,347 --> 00:03:24,747 Speaker 3: cohesion of playmakers. So if you look at you South 64 00:03:24,747 --> 00:03:27,627 Speaker 3: Wales in the current state of ourgent team, now they've 65 00:03:27,667 --> 00:03:31,947 Speaker 3: got playmaker Cleary, they've got playmaker Moses. They've got people 66 00:03:32,347 --> 00:03:37,187 Speaker 3: who are normally running the show developing the players who 67 00:03:37,227 --> 00:03:39,747 Speaker 3: are directing player around the field who are now side 68 00:03:39,747 --> 00:03:44,467 Speaker 3: by side. The message the best message I've ever got 69 00:03:44,467 --> 00:03:46,987 Speaker 3: on this from a REP coaching friend of mine. He 70 00:03:47,147 --> 00:03:51,347 Speaker 3: just said two words, Simplify, clarify. He said, don't over 71 00:03:51,427 --> 00:03:55,747 Speaker 3: complicate these guys, don't over coach them, don't be overly 72 00:03:55,827 --> 00:04:00,067 Speaker 3: hung up on detailed game plans. Simplify the situation in 73 00:04:00,107 --> 00:04:03,907 Speaker 3: the environment and clarify it because they will then do 74 00:04:04,067 --> 00:04:07,267 Speaker 3: the rest. The biggest mistaken on I think it's totally 75 00:04:07,347 --> 00:04:12,027 Speaker 3: right REP coaches make is they over complicate the REP 76 00:04:12,187 --> 00:04:16,187 Speaker 3: environment believing that they've got to do something extraordinary or different. 77 00:04:16,587 --> 00:04:19,187 Speaker 3: I think it's the It's a great case and argument 78 00:04:19,467 --> 00:04:20,987 Speaker 3: for under coaching. 79 00:04:21,507 --> 00:04:24,627 Speaker 2: Simplify, clarify. A lot of businesses could could take note 80 00:04:24,667 --> 00:04:27,347 Speaker 2: of that as well, and I'm sure some are writing 81 00:04:27,387 --> 00:04:29,667 Speaker 2: notes as they listen to you say the words. The 82 00:04:29,747 --> 00:04:32,027 Speaker 2: nature of REP teams as well, Wyane, is that they 83 00:04:32,107 --> 00:04:35,827 Speaker 2: often bring together players who are captains at their club, 84 00:04:35,907 --> 00:04:39,147 Speaker 2: and if not captains, certainly part of the leadership team 85 00:04:39,267 --> 00:04:41,747 Speaker 2: at their clubs because they are so good, they're often 86 00:04:41,787 --> 00:04:45,467 Speaker 2: seeing your players. How do you manage the too many 87 00:04:45,547 --> 00:04:49,347 Speaker 2: Chiefs and not enough Indians syndrome and a REP team? 88 00:04:49,827 --> 00:04:53,387 Speaker 3: Yeah, again point it's I know it does sound simplify, 89 00:04:53,467 --> 00:04:56,627 Speaker 3: say simplify, but that's really what it comes down to 90 00:04:56,787 --> 00:05:00,867 Speaker 3: is when they're in their team, their role, one of 91 00:05:00,867 --> 00:05:04,027 Speaker 3: their main roles, is to lead the team, to make 92 00:05:04,107 --> 00:05:07,307 Speaker 3: the key decisions about how where they're going to take 93 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:09,547 Speaker 3: a penalty or whatever it might be. But they're going 94 00:05:09,547 --> 00:05:12,827 Speaker 3: to make those key on field decisions. I think the 95 00:05:12,907 --> 00:05:16,947 Speaker 3: key is getting them together, getting the leaders together and say, right, guys, 96 00:05:16,947 --> 00:05:19,227 Speaker 3: how are we going to make this work. Quite often 97 00:05:19,347 --> 00:05:23,427 Speaker 3: I've found that the players have already figured it out, 98 00:05:23,587 --> 00:05:26,307 Speaker 3: so I have no doubt. Say in New South Wales 99 00:05:26,307 --> 00:05:29,147 Speaker 3: for example, and Queensland have just masters at it with 100 00:05:29,747 --> 00:05:31,947 Speaker 3: the people that they've got as well, and in all 101 00:05:31,987 --> 00:05:34,827 Speaker 3: rep teams, quite often the players have already got a 102 00:05:34,867 --> 00:05:37,667 Speaker 3: solution that they will come to you with. And I 103 00:05:37,667 --> 00:05:41,387 Speaker 3: think that's the beauty of the modern era is that 104 00:05:41,587 --> 00:05:44,427 Speaker 3: we've gone from a coach sitting there and figuring out, right, 105 00:05:44,507 --> 00:05:47,107 Speaker 3: you will do that, and you will do that, and 106 00:05:47,187 --> 00:05:51,387 Speaker 3: then hoping it works. The beautiful thing we've got now, Pony, 107 00:05:51,427 --> 00:05:55,467 Speaker 3: with this player empowerment model that you see all over 108 00:05:55,507 --> 00:05:57,707 Speaker 3: the world, is it quite often the players have already 109 00:05:57,707 --> 00:06:01,027 Speaker 3: out of coffee and or hopefully not too many beers. 110 00:06:01,067 --> 00:06:03,387 Speaker 3: But they've already had a meeting and said how are 111 00:06:03,387 --> 00:06:05,747 Speaker 3: we going to make this work? And they will go 112 00:06:05,827 --> 00:06:08,987 Speaker 3: to the co and say, listen, we're then thinking about this. 113 00:06:09,467 --> 00:06:11,987 Speaker 3: We know each other's game, we played each other, and 114 00:06:12,027 --> 00:06:14,187 Speaker 3: we think the best way forward is this. Now. Of 115 00:06:14,187 --> 00:06:16,507 Speaker 3: course the coach can say thanks fellows, I'm the coach, 116 00:06:16,587 --> 00:06:20,307 Speaker 3: I'm running the show. But what I see, certainly with 117 00:06:21,027 --> 00:06:24,667 Speaker 3: modern coaches, is they're going if I'll let these guys 118 00:06:24,747 --> 00:06:28,987 Speaker 3: know what they're doing, assuming that they're there because they're extraordinary, 119 00:06:29,467 --> 00:06:32,627 Speaker 3: and they'll come to you with solutions. That's the player 120 00:06:32,747 --> 00:06:36,587 Speaker 3: generated solutions, quite often the best and then the smart 121 00:06:37,147 --> 00:06:39,947 Speaker 3: you know what, that's a pretty good idea. I've also 122 00:06:41,187 --> 00:06:43,387 Speaker 3: what do you guys think about this? And they'll work 123 00:06:43,467 --> 00:06:47,347 Speaker 3: together with a solution. But I don't think it's a 124 00:06:47,387 --> 00:06:51,067 Speaker 3: problem like it was about you do what I say, 125 00:06:51,147 --> 00:06:54,707 Speaker 3: you follow my bill. You see this collaborative approach, and 126 00:06:54,747 --> 00:06:57,867 Speaker 3: it's all about the players coming up with solutions because 127 00:06:57,867 --> 00:07:00,267 Speaker 3: in the end they're going to deliver the result. 128 00:07:00,947 --> 00:07:02,627 Speaker 2: I just want to ask a question, and it doesn't 129 00:07:02,667 --> 00:07:05,667 Speaker 2: really relate to the origin teams because the only name 130 00:07:05,787 --> 00:07:09,747 Speaker 2: twenty their squad, you know, the starting thirteen in the reserves, 131 00:07:10,187 --> 00:07:12,427 Speaker 2: sorry to change in the reserves, but in the British 132 00:07:12,467 --> 00:07:15,827 Speaker 2: and Irish Lions, it's a big squad that Andy Farrell 133 00:07:15,947 --> 00:07:19,227 Speaker 2: has to manage when he brings them down Under. And 134 00:07:19,547 --> 00:07:22,227 Speaker 2: everybody in the British and Irish line squad is used 135 00:07:22,267 --> 00:07:25,107 Speaker 2: to being a main player for their national team and 136 00:07:25,187 --> 00:07:27,747 Speaker 2: for their club team. But on a British and Irish 137 00:07:27,867 --> 00:07:30,667 Speaker 2: Lions tour, some of them are going to be fringe 138 00:07:30,747 --> 00:07:34,267 Speaker 2: players on that tour. How do you manage those blocks? 139 00:07:35,467 --> 00:07:38,227 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good one, is right at the 140 00:07:38,267 --> 00:07:40,827 Speaker 3: beginning of the tours. I've been lucky to be involved 141 00:07:40,827 --> 00:07:43,947 Speaker 3: in a couple of big tours of that nature. But 142 00:07:44,667 --> 00:07:47,347 Speaker 3: what you've got to do right at the beginning is 143 00:07:48,307 --> 00:07:51,947 Speaker 3: be very clear again on what is the overall objective 144 00:07:51,947 --> 00:07:55,627 Speaker 3: of the tour. It is to destroy the Wallabys. That's 145 00:07:55,907 --> 00:08:00,427 Speaker 3: all that they will be concerned about. And that's the 146 00:08:00,587 --> 00:08:04,427 Speaker 3: collective focus. That's the goal and objective of the coaches, 147 00:08:04,907 --> 00:08:08,907 Speaker 3: the doctor, the physios, the message, the assistant coaches and 148 00:08:08,947 --> 00:08:13,307 Speaker 3: of course all the players united under that single goal 149 00:08:14,027 --> 00:08:17,747 Speaker 3: and within that once that's established, is that's what we're 150 00:08:17,747 --> 00:08:20,147 Speaker 3: here to do guys, it will be no compromises. That's 151 00:08:20,187 --> 00:08:23,147 Speaker 3: what we're here to do. Then it goes from being 152 00:08:23,427 --> 00:08:28,507 Speaker 3: what is our role And the importance of this I 153 00:08:28,547 --> 00:08:32,587 Speaker 3: can't stress enough is that everybody in any rep team, 154 00:08:32,587 --> 00:08:36,187 Speaker 3: even if it's a relatively junior team, the clarity of 155 00:08:36,427 --> 00:08:41,267 Speaker 3: roles and responsibilities in the achievement of the collective objective. 156 00:08:41,307 --> 00:08:42,667 Speaker 3: Well that should be the name of a books and 157 00:08:42,867 --> 00:08:48,507 Speaker 3: the collective objective but pattern pended pine golfspit. But because 158 00:08:48,507 --> 00:08:51,547 Speaker 3: someone will piss that one. But you know that's the 159 00:08:51,747 --> 00:08:54,027 Speaker 3: thing is to say, as a group, guys, collectively, what 160 00:08:54,067 --> 00:08:55,907 Speaker 3: are we here to do. We're here to go home 161 00:08:55,987 --> 00:08:59,707 Speaker 3: through ZIP ideally with the best for and against, to 162 00:08:59,827 --> 00:09:03,547 Speaker 3: win all the leading games, to be uncompromising and relentless 163 00:09:03,547 --> 00:09:06,467 Speaker 3: in our execution. Okay, we all get that. What role 164 00:09:06,667 --> 00:09:11,307 Speaker 3: can you play in order for us to deliver that outcome? 165 00:09:11,627 --> 00:09:14,187 Speaker 3: And even if you're player number twenty seven on the 166 00:09:14,227 --> 00:09:17,707 Speaker 3: selection list, that if your role is to provide a 167 00:09:17,747 --> 00:09:22,787 Speaker 3: great training environment, support the fifteen and the players on 168 00:09:22,827 --> 00:09:26,747 Speaker 3: the bench, to drive them hard in training, to play 169 00:09:26,907 --> 00:09:30,667 Speaker 3: some sort of organization or management role, if that's your role, 170 00:09:31,227 --> 00:09:34,227 Speaker 3: to contribute to the collective outcome, then you do that 171 00:09:34,947 --> 00:09:37,187 Speaker 3: better than anyone. When I know, when I work with 172 00:09:37,227 --> 00:09:41,907 Speaker 3: proteins pinty, I'll often say to physiotherapists or nutritionist or sits, 173 00:09:42,387 --> 00:09:46,347 Speaker 3: I'll say, are you striving to be the best in 174 00:09:46,467 --> 00:09:51,347 Speaker 3: your role in this competition? Because if you're not, you're 175 00:09:51,387 --> 00:09:55,507 Speaker 3: a loose coggan this organization. Because the players and the 176 00:09:55,547 --> 00:09:59,627 Speaker 3: coaches are striving everything they do to achieve their outcome 177 00:09:59,627 --> 00:10:02,747 Speaker 3: and winning a competition or winning a tour, and everyone 178 00:10:02,787 --> 00:10:05,187 Speaker 3: associated with the team has to have the same mindset 179 00:10:05,187 --> 00:10:09,027 Speaker 3: that even if I'm a massage therapist, am I striving 180 00:10:09,427 --> 00:10:12,667 Speaker 3: every day to be the best massage therapist that has 181 00:10:12,787 --> 00:10:15,507 Speaker 3: ever been associated with the British and Irish Lions, the 182 00:10:15,587 --> 00:10:19,187 Speaker 3: best massage therapist who's ever been involved in rugby at 183 00:10:19,227 --> 00:10:22,467 Speaker 3: international level anywhere in the world. And if everyone buys 184 00:10:22,547 --> 00:10:25,547 Speaker 3: into that that I've got a role, I've got a 185 00:10:25,667 --> 00:10:29,067 Speaker 3: job which is consistent with being the best in the 186 00:10:29,107 --> 00:10:31,387 Speaker 3: world or best in the competition, best in the region, 187 00:10:32,027 --> 00:10:36,667 Speaker 3: then things work very smoothly. And again that simplicity and 188 00:10:36,747 --> 00:10:40,667 Speaker 3: clarity is the two most powerful weapons that you've got. 189 00:10:41,387 --> 00:10:43,827 Speaker 2: I'll never leave a conversation with you wane without being 190 00:10:44,027 --> 00:10:47,947 Speaker 2: enhanced in terms of my wisdom and my knowledge around 191 00:10:48,347 --> 00:10:52,027 Speaker 2: the coaching philosophies that you and part for a loving you, 192 00:10:52,147 --> 00:10:54,627 Speaker 2: my friend. Thank you for giving us the benefit of 193 00:10:54,667 --> 00:10:58,227 Speaker 2: your knowledge, expertise and wisdom as always, look forward to 194 00:10:58,707 --> 00:10:59,667 Speaker 2: doing it again soon. 195 00:11:00,667 --> 00:11:02,347 Speaker 3: Yes, so now I have to finish a course and 196 00:11:02,467 --> 00:11:04,947 Speaker 3: come on your spurs of course. 197 00:11:05,107 --> 00:11:09,547 Speaker 2: Yes, Tottenham fans, Wayne Goldsmith, congratulations to you on that 198 00:11:09,627 --> 00:11:12,227 Speaker 2: as well. Wayne Wayne Goldsmith, one of our regulars on 199 00:11:12,267 --> 00:11:15,747 Speaker 2: the show. 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