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Speaker 1: You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from US talks it by helping you get those DIY

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Speaker 1: projects done right. The Resident Builder with Peter wolf Cap

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Speaker 1: Call eight hundred eighteen eighteen Youth talk Sibby.

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Speaker 2: The house sizzle, even when it's.

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Speaker 3: Dog, even when the grass is overgrown in the yard,

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Speaker 3: even when the dog is too old to bar. And

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Speaker 3: when you're sitting at the table trying not to starve

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Speaker 3: scissor home even when we are benn even when you're there,

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Speaker 3: houssible given, when there's goals given, when you go around

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Speaker 3: from the one you love, your.

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Speaker 4: Scream, those building pains being in fund locals when a

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Speaker 4: very good morning.

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Speaker 5: And welcome along to the Resident Builder on Sunday. You

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Speaker 5: with me, Peter wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and this

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Speaker 5: is our opportunity, your opportunity, my opportunity to talk about

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Speaker 5: something that I really really enjoy talking about, and that

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Speaker 5: is construction. That's building, that's getting stuff done, building, doing

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Speaker 5: your projects, doing your maintenance, maybe even a new build.

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Speaker 5: If you've got the opportunity to be part of that.

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Speaker 5: We can talk about all things building and construction on

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Speaker 5: the show this morning.

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Speaker 4: I have to say it.

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Speaker 5: I'm wondering if it's the same for you as it

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Speaker 5: is for me. There is a sense that if I like,

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Speaker 5: I've had a week where it's been a lot of administration,

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Speaker 5: interviews and but some pieces, and then at a certain

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Speaker 5: stage yesterday I just needed to go out to the

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Speaker 5: workshop and do something practical. And it kind of didn't

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Speaker 5: matter what it was that I went to do, as

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Speaker 5: long as I went out and did something. Not that

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Speaker 5: paperwork's not something, not that interviews or admin or speeches

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Speaker 5: or whatever isn't something. But there is that simple satisfaction

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Speaker 5: to working with your hands, having a task, assembling, disassembling, restoring, maintainer,

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Speaker 5: whatever it was that you did. I mean my task

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Speaker 5: Got really really they just deteriorated, right, It was pretty shabby.

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Speaker 5: So some time ago I went got some new wheels

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Speaker 5: for it. I'd stripped them apart, I put them back

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Speaker 5: together again, I greased everything up, oiled them all up,

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Speaker 5: hour or so, two hours or so. But the tremendous

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Speaker 5: satisfaction of having a task, completing a task, tack that

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Speaker 5: off the list, right, what's the next thing that I

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Speaker 5: need to do? So if you get that tremendous sense

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Speaker 5: of satisfaction as well about getting stuff done for yourself,

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Speaker 5: we can talk about those projects that you might have,

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Speaker 5: whether it's deck building, fence building, there's something in the

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Speaker 5: talk about all of these things. Eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 5: two for the texts. That's ZBZB from your mobile phone.

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Speaker 5: And if you'd like to send me an email, you're

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Speaker 5: more than welcome. It's Pete at newstalksb dot co dot nz.

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Speaker 5: So Pete at newstalk SIB dot.

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Speaker 4: Co dot nz.

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Speaker 5: If there's a particular sort of piece of legislation that

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Speaker 5: around reroofing and when does reroof trigger the requirement for

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Speaker 5: conversation with someone who was moving from having a dechromastic roof,

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Speaker 5: them had very much had the opinion that didn't need

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Speaker 5: So there's plenty to do in and around our houses,

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Speaker 5: as there always are. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 5: the CEO for Master Builders. We had we had a

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Speaker 5: the time to text and comment on this young fella's interview.

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Speaker 5: I suppose you know, he's twenty two years of age,

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Speaker 5: almost completed his apprenticeship. He competed in the Apprentice of

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Speaker 5: the Year competition, the one that's run by Master Builders,

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Speaker 5: and we got him on the show last week, and

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Speaker 5: after that thinking, what an outstanding young man. You know,

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Speaker 5: he's got his head screwed on. He's competent, he's engaged,

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Speaker 5: a I was delighted that we could have him on

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Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

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Speaker 5: Lovely to be with you on this Sunday morning, the

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Speaker 5: nineteenth of October.

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Speaker 4: We're into it.

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Speaker 5: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

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Speaker 5: and Marie a very good morning.

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Speaker 6: Good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 4: Indeed, Pete.

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Speaker 7: We've just built a new house and we've had a

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Speaker 7: final code of compliance and it's the outside color is

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Speaker 7: black on stryer boards, I think it's called And there's

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Speaker 7: little white marks over the whole house, like you can

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Speaker 7: see the undercoat. I think like it's yes, chipped off,

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Speaker 7: and the house has been washed by the company a

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Speaker 7: there's also like dirt I would call it that won't

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Speaker 4: Yes, So.

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Speaker 7: It's just looks terrible all over the whole house. It

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Speaker 7: seems that maybe the paint wasn't dry when it got dirty.

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Speaker 7: I'm not there's something I don't know. I really can't

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Speaker 7: tell what's wrong. But to me, it seems like there

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Speaker 7: was a problem before they water blasted it, but the

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Speaker 7: water blasters made it worse.

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Speaker 5: I think, sure, sure, when you say it's a new build,

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Speaker 5: when let's when did you move in? When was the

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Speaker 4: Oh shivers?

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, first up, congratulations. If you're into a new build,

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Speaker 5: that's awesome. But at the same time I can imagine

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Speaker 5: there's no other way of describing what you're seeing than

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Speaker 5: a defect.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 4: Actually, this there's kind.

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Speaker 5: Of two I'm in two minds about this. One is

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Speaker 5: I'm really interested about the process of you, as a

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Speaker 5: new home owner purchasing a brand new property, which I'm

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Speaker 5: assuming you probably didn't get a pre purchased inspection on it.

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Speaker 5: Because it's a new build, it's got a code of compliance,

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Speaker 5: therefore it must be a good house.

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Speaker 7: We both at ourselves, okay.

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Speaker 5: Oh, okay, right he oh, all right, So you've you

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Speaker 5: were managing your own contractors or you had someone else

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Speaker 7: The con that was a housing company, Yes, so they

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, yeah, Well, look, I think there's no

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Speaker 5: right now, what the origin of that paint The origin

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Speaker 5: suspected the stage that it's poor preparation. So the manufacturer

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Speaker 5: of the board. A couple of things that I would do.

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Speaker 5: One is I would go to the manufacturer of the

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Speaker 5: out to look at excuse me, the paint system that's

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Speaker 5: been applied. So they will come out and they'll go okay.

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Speaker 5: Our recommendation, for example, is that once the boards are installed,

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Speaker 5: they're either sanded or they're wiped down, that the maybe

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Speaker 5: I would do that, get their rep to come out.

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Speaker 5: I would also get a representative of the paint company

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Speaker 5: that was used, so whoever provided the paint, whether it

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Speaker 5: And then with that you could go back to the

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Speaker 5: main contractor and go, we've had these two opinions that

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Speaker 5: it would seem that this work is not up to standard.

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Speaker 5: Therefore you need to fix it. And you've got a

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Speaker 5: lot of power, I guess in the legislation, in terms

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Speaker 5: of both the Building Act and the Consumer Guarantees Act,

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Speaker 5: to have that remediated. And then I would suggest that

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Speaker 5: it's really going to be the main contractor and the painter, right,

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Speaker 5: and I would keep emphasizing to them that you will

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Speaker 4: Work is up to standard. Right.

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Speaker 5: So what you're doing is introducing an independent person who's

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Speaker 5: the manufacturer specifications, and at their discretion, will you accept

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Speaker 5: the remedial work.

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Speaker 7: So, and those third parties are the two people you've

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you'd get someone. Yeah. You know, for example,

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Speaker 5: this is what's in our manufacturing data. Right, so we

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Speaker 5: tell you here's the instructions. Did they follow the instructions?

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Speaker 5: Probably not, because if they did follow the instructions, the

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Speaker 5: work would be up to standard.

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Speaker 4: You could go to the.

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Speaker 5: Painting to an independent painting expert and they could look

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Speaker 5: at it and say, well, look, it appears to me

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Speaker 5: that they didn't wipe the boards down and there's dust

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Speaker 5: trapped in the paint, or that it seems like there's

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Speaker 5: only one code of paint on here, or it seems

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Speaker 5: like they haven't sanded back the factory primer and reapplied

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Speaker 5: a new primer over the top, and therefore the paint.

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Speaker 4: System is failing.

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Speaker 5: And then they would also be able to say, hey,

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Speaker 5: this is the remedial process. Now you know it could

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Speaker 5: be quite extensive, but you know you shouldn't accept it.

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Speaker 5: It's not of a suitable standard, and it's quite clear

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Speaker 5: that the work's been poorly done, unfortunately, and that must

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Speaker 5: be you'd be gutted, wouldn't you. I'm sure there's slightly

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Speaker 5: more delicate phrase than that. But you know, new house,

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Speaker 5: you've been looking forward to it. There's all that anticipation, well, hey,

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Speaker 5: you know, this will be awesome, and then there's that sense.

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Speaker 7: Of ah, just shoving around the house.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is one of those things you kind of

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Speaker 7: It should be, so go to see the strike the

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Speaker 5: And I expect them to be there within twenty four hours, right,

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Speaker 5: there's no excuse for this. Yeah, And then you could

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Speaker 7: Yeah okay, and so by a third party, just anyone,

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Speaker 5: It's what you're doing is you know, sometimes these things

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Speaker 5: become a well I think it's okay, I think it's

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Speaker 5: Whereas if you're able to go into that discussion with

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Speaker 4: The work's not up to standard.

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Speaker 5: Because it's it's It's hardly ever the paint that fails, right,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, I will do.

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Speaker 4: That, alrighty, Hey, good luck.

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Speaker 5: And genuinely I can imagine the you know, there's there's that.

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Speaker 5: I could only imagine that tremendous sense of satisfaction. We're

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Speaker 5: moving into our new house. This has been awesome, and

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Speaker 5: now you walking around going ah, so you have.

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Speaker 4: My sympathy, Marie.

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Speaker 7: Everywhere I've never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 4: Look, it's so disappointing.

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Speaker 9: You have.

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Speaker 4: If that's worth anything.

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Speaker 5: Oh, thank you, all right, you.

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Speaker 4: Look after yourself. Take care.

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Speaker 7: Thank you so helpful.

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Speaker 4: My pleasure to take care.

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Speaker 5: Bye, Thanks bye, your news talk se'd be if you've

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Speaker 5: got a question or a situation like that, Hey, give

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Speaker 5: the number to call twenty two after six.

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Speaker 1: Measure god once, but maybe called Pete first gave the

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Speaker 5: Sa'd be just a couple of responses to our first caller,

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Speaker 5: which was Marie. Obviously brand new house, it would seem,

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Speaker 5: and there's kind of no nice way to put it

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Speaker 5: that it's just a really rubbish paint job. Right, So

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Speaker 5: someone's text through Gavin stick through, Hey, good morning Pete.

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Speaker 5: Come on mate, Please tell the lady to contact her

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Speaker 5: local Master Painters Association.

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Speaker 4: That would be a good idea if the.

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Speaker 5: Painter was a member of a professional organization like the

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Speaker 5: nowhere to go bar the painter themselves, right, there's no

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Speaker 5: then yes, that would be a really really good place

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Speaker 5: to start as well. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 5: resurfacing as in products that you could use yourself, and

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Speaker 5: So Daich is the name of the coating, which sounds

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Speaker 5: like an application that most of us could do at home.

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Speaker 5: So if you had, say a for mica benchtop that's

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Speaker 5: starting to show its age, that sounds like the product

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Speaker 5: that everyone was looking for. Thanks for reminding me on that.

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Speaker 5: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

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Speaker 5: and Anna a very good warning to you.

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Speaker 2: Oh hid, how can I have built with that? I

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Speaker 2: built with a building company last year, a new place

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Speaker 2: I've signed the contract turned to rubbish really. Oh my

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Speaker 2: a lot of well dodgy stuff really, And it was

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Speaker 2: it's going to probably be majors as well. Yes, and

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Speaker 2: there turned out to be eighty nine pages pretty much, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know, and two major defects. One was all the

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Speaker 2: flashings were non compliant, not to code and didn't match

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Speaker 2: the consented plans. And also that they had built the

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Speaker 2: six yeah, so for me, yeah, it just got really difficult.

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Speaker 2: Then my lawyer said, well, you need to give them

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Speaker 6: Ye.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much everything else they just lied about. But so

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Speaker 2: the flashing details they were supposed to have sent to council,

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Speaker 2: and sorry I should have said code of compliance was

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Speaker 2: provided by counsel. They must have walked around with their

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Speaker 2: the building company tried to hide behind that, well I've

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Speaker 2: again another adjudication and hoping that this time, you know,

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Speaker 2: you've got an expert that you know clearly those sort

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Speaker 2: of major things. They tried to blame me that you know,

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Speaker 2: it was just difficult. I mean I wasn't in town,

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Speaker 2: sent as I received it. But anyway, long story short,

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Speaker 2: they were given the opportunity to come back and fix

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Speaker 2: the overhang, and my lawyer and myself stated that no

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Speaker 2: obviously had the structural information we required, but also that

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Speaker 2: the council and a new code of compliance opened and

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Speaker 2: then closed with the peers for so all that detail

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Speaker 2: sell it. So what they did was they dragged it

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Speaker 2: like that in the first place, because you know when

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Speaker 2: must have just buy ahead were their structural engineer's report

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Speaker 2: and then just sent me a peers for so I've

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Speaker 2: with structure works that are illegal. You can't proceed without

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Speaker 2: the owner's sign off. The code of compliance had been

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Speaker 2: had no keys. And now they're saying, well, it's up

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Speaker 2: to you to get a CoA, and I said, well,

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Speaker 2: a CoA would be if I agreed to the works

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Speaker 2: the works. And then they said, okay, well, if you

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Speaker 2: don't want to take responsibility for the CoA, then to

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Speaker 2: can then go and get a c A. And I said,

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Speaker 2: but again that would then indicate I accept the works

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, it's.

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Speaker 5: Quite genuinely I'm struggling to comprehend how this actually happens, right,

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Speaker 5: at framing stage, there will be a framing inspection, right,

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Speaker 5: so pre wrap inspection, it would where the local.

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Speaker 2: Buildings the council has hidden all the reports, and I've

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Speaker 2: gone and done privacy strings through the Onwoodsman to make

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Speaker 4: I'm struggling to.

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Speaker 5: Struggling to understand how that that genuinely, how that actually

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Speaker 5: if I guess you're not the consent holder, I presume

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Speaker 5: so the building consent wasn't taken out in your name,

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Speaker 5: it was taken out in the name of the building company.

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Speaker 4: Would that be right?

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Speaker 5: So you know, you know typically what would happen is

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Speaker 5: You do this framing and prior to wrapping, you've done

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Speaker 5: all your fixings. You hold downs, et cetera, et cetera,

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Speaker 5: and then the building inspector will come and assess it

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Speaker 5: before the rap goes on. Now, if that's the case,

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Speaker 5: then you know, if there's a sixty five mil overhang

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Speaker 5: thirty five and that's outside of the scope of the

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Speaker 5: building code, the inspection should have failed and a notice

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Speaker 5: to fix or a failed notice would be on the records.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, you know, even at that early stage, I

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Speaker 5: It used to be if I failed inspection, I could

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Speaker 5: fix it later on. We'll catch it up on the

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Speaker 5: next one. Now you can't get your next one until

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Speaker 2: So that there's a whole because they failed the flashings

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Speaker 2: and yet on the documentation for that, which took me

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Speaker 2: till last week through the expert managed to get a

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Speaker 2: to be very detailed photos et cetera supplied to council,

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Speaker 2: and yet there's nothing on stile to say that it

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Speaker 5: I've seen, you know, so many building reports and you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm just I'm really genuinely struggling to understand how this

436
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Speaker 5: has gone through. I wonder whether actually quick question, and

437
00:26:24,455 --> 00:26:27,215
Speaker 5: then I do have to move on the expert that

438
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Speaker 5: you refer to, who's acting on your behalf? What what's

439
00:26:30,335 --> 00:26:31,215
Speaker 5: their qualification?

440
00:26:31,415 --> 00:26:33,615
Speaker 4: What's there? What's their engagement with us.

441
00:26:33,495 --> 00:26:35,575
Speaker 2: Super qualified through prendos?

442
00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:38,935
Speaker 5: Okay, all right, so it's a building survey basically. Okay,

443
00:26:39,335 --> 00:26:40,855
Speaker 5: all right, well that's that's really good.

444
00:26:41,175 --> 00:26:41,375
Speaker 6: Look.

445
00:26:41,495 --> 00:26:48,015
Speaker 5: I part of me is tremendously surprised, and then another

446
00:26:48,095 --> 00:26:50,135
Speaker 5: part of me, based on a whole series of discussions

447
00:26:50,175 --> 00:26:53,415
Speaker 5: I've had in the last couple of months, is unfortunately

448
00:26:53,535 --> 00:26:58,655
Speaker 5: not surprised. But I'm still struggling to understand how work

449
00:26:58,695 --> 00:27:02,535
Speaker 5: that gets inspected and fails then doesn't get fixed and

450
00:27:02,695 --> 00:27:03,815
Speaker 5: still gets a CCC.

451
00:27:04,295 --> 00:27:05,135
Speaker 4: So I think you've.

452
00:27:05,015 --> 00:27:09,135
Speaker 5: Engaged the right people. I think they will act in

453
00:27:09,495 --> 00:27:10,255
Speaker 5: your interests.

454
00:27:10,415 --> 00:27:11,215
Speaker 4: The hard thing is.

455
00:27:12,855 --> 00:27:17,375
Speaker 2: I was going to say already, yeah, I'm always.

456
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Speaker 5: And no consolation to you, but someone's text through and

457
00:27:22,775 --> 00:27:26,895
Speaker 5: said Pete, please pass this conversation onto Minister Chris Penk.

458
00:27:26,975 --> 00:27:29,495
Speaker 5: Imagine these builders approving their own work.

459
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Speaker 2: And so what you've tried. I've tried to write to

460
00:27:34,095 --> 00:27:36,895
Speaker 2: the MPs. They just say they can't get involved.

461
00:27:37,015 --> 00:27:41,175
Speaker 5: No, they and they probably wouldn't. But now he's have

462
00:27:41,415 --> 00:27:45,735
Speaker 5: you engaged with the I presume and no, I don't presume.

463
00:27:46,055 --> 00:27:47,895
Speaker 5: The person who's done the building work must be a

464
00:27:47,975 --> 00:27:49,615
Speaker 5: licensed building practitioner.

465
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, have you been disciplinary built for the license?

466
00:27:54,655 --> 00:27:54,855
Speaker 11: Yeah?

467
00:27:54,895 --> 00:27:55,095
Speaker 4: Good?

468
00:27:55,175 --> 00:27:57,655
Speaker 2: They like the building practitioner. They told me I can

469
00:27:57,735 --> 00:28:01,255
Speaker 2: sign against the builder that on site, even though he

470
00:28:01,295 --> 00:28:03,095
Speaker 2: had been told have you come back on site, you'll

471
00:28:03,135 --> 00:28:04,655
Speaker 2: be trespassed, blah blah blah.

472
00:28:04,775 --> 00:28:07,655
Speaker 5: So you go to the plinary board and you get

473
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Speaker 5: them to engage. Now it probably won't be a quick process,

474
00:28:11,495 --> 00:28:14,335
Speaker 5: but I think the disciplinary board has a real place.

475
00:28:14,775 --> 00:28:19,095
Speaker 5: The other question, just before we go in, were any

476
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Speaker 5: of the lbps involved in the construction members of either

477
00:28:22,295 --> 00:28:25,975
Speaker 5: master Builders or certified Builders master.

478
00:28:25,775 --> 00:28:28,895
Speaker 2: Builder guarantee, which I have a teen new one, but

479
00:28:29,015 --> 00:28:32,055
Speaker 2: they did email. I've been trying to get them engaged

480
00:28:32,575 --> 00:28:36,815
Speaker 2: throughout and they did come back a few weeks ago

481
00:28:37,135 --> 00:28:40,615
Speaker 2: and said that they hold their rights that they may

482
00:28:40,775 --> 00:28:44,575
Speaker 2: revoke my tenue guarantee because of these illegal works.

483
00:28:45,895 --> 00:28:50,055
Speaker 4: Right, I'll tell you what. Just hold on. I'll get.

484
00:28:52,135 --> 00:28:56,575
Speaker 5: Locke to keep your details if you don't mind. Interestingly enough,

485
00:28:56,575 --> 00:28:58,855
Speaker 5: we're talking with master Builders after eight o'clock this morning,

486
00:28:58,975 --> 00:29:00,735
Speaker 5: so I'm not going to mention it because that would

487
00:29:00,735 --> 00:29:03,495
Speaker 5: be unfair. But it's interesting that you bring it up now,

488
00:29:03,855 --> 00:29:07,535
Speaker 5: and I wish are the best. You know, it's a

489
00:29:07,735 --> 00:29:10,575
Speaker 5: kind of disappointing way to start the show. And I

490
00:29:10,655 --> 00:29:12,375
Speaker 5: don't mean to start on a downer. I mean, I

491
00:29:12,455 --> 00:29:15,135
Speaker 5: don't get to determine who phones through. But you know,

492
00:29:15,255 --> 00:29:19,615
Speaker 5: two examples of really poor work being undertaken on brand

493
00:29:19,695 --> 00:29:23,895
Speaker 5: new builds to start the show doesn't fill me, or

494
00:29:24,095 --> 00:29:26,895
Speaker 5: it probably shouldn't fill you as a listener with any

495
00:29:26,935 --> 00:29:28,975
Speaker 5: confidence that we're getting really good work out there.

496
00:29:29,095 --> 00:29:29,215
Speaker 6: Now.

497
00:29:29,255 --> 00:29:33,655
Speaker 5: That's it's only part of what's happening out there. You know,

498
00:29:33,855 --> 00:29:37,095
Speaker 5: I see stuff every day which is fantastic. I meet

499
00:29:38,095 --> 00:29:44,855
Speaker 5: tremendously talented, dedicated, engaged, involved, committed professional builders and trades

500
00:29:44,895 --> 00:29:48,415
Speaker 5: people every single day, and I see exemplary work every day.

501
00:29:48,855 --> 00:29:51,415
Speaker 5: But it would seem that, you know, the reverse is

502
00:29:51,495 --> 00:29:55,335
Speaker 5: true as well, which both of our calls have highlighted

503
00:29:55,415 --> 00:29:59,015
Speaker 5: this morning, which is just a tad disappointing. If you've

504
00:29:59,055 --> 00:30:01,855
Speaker 5: got a question, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

505
00:30:01,935 --> 00:30:02,655
Speaker 5: the number to call.

506
00:30:02,935 --> 00:30:06,575
Speaker 1: It is six thirty nine viewing on the house, ording

507
00:30:06,615 --> 00:30:09,575
Speaker 1: the guard and asked Pete for ahead the resident builder

508
00:30:09,695 --> 00:30:13,735
Speaker 1: with Peter Wolfcap Call eights togs.

509
00:30:16,015 --> 00:30:18,775
Speaker 5: Some some sort of deeply troubling questions out of the

510
00:30:19,695 --> 00:30:22,735
Speaker 5: those last two phone calls that we've had, particularly Anna

511
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Speaker 5: with you know, it's it's not unreasonable to assume that

512
00:30:26,895 --> 00:30:30,695
Speaker 5: if you're doing a new build and it's got a

513
00:30:30,735 --> 00:30:34,255
Speaker 5: building consent and council inspectors are going out. You know,

514
00:30:34,335 --> 00:30:36,535
Speaker 5: one of the things that people sometimes can be critical

515
00:30:36,535 --> 00:30:42,015
Speaker 5: about is that like council inspectors are not there to

516
00:30:42,815 --> 00:30:48,575
Speaker 5: inspect the standard of the workmanship. Let's say, so if

517
00:30:48,655 --> 00:30:51,895
Speaker 5: the site's untidy in most cases, or some of the

518
00:30:51,975 --> 00:30:56,375
Speaker 5: work is poorly done, as long as it's compliant with

519
00:30:56,535 --> 00:31:00,295
Speaker 5: the building code. They they're not there to comment on workmanship.

520
00:31:00,375 --> 00:31:03,255
Speaker 5: But you know, things like flashings, for example, that are

521
00:31:03,335 --> 00:31:06,135
Speaker 5: not done in accordance with the plan and are therefore

522
00:31:06,455 --> 00:31:10,255
Speaker 5: non compliant with the building code. Typically a building inspector,

523
00:31:10,295 --> 00:31:12,695
Speaker 5: and I was talking with one on Friday, not about

524
00:31:12,735 --> 00:31:16,735
Speaker 5: this particular issue, but something else. You know, they'd simply

525
00:31:16,855 --> 00:31:19,255
Speaker 5: they do their report, they'd come out on site, they'd

526
00:31:19,295 --> 00:31:24,455
Speaker 5: do it. The inspection would be stated as fail. They

527
00:31:24,895 --> 00:31:28,055
Speaker 5: note why, they take a photograph and it's on the

528
00:31:28,135 --> 00:31:31,895
Speaker 5: live record because everything's digital these days, And then that

529
00:31:32,055 --> 00:31:35,295
Speaker 5: becomes a fail. And when you come to the next inspection,

530
00:31:35,815 --> 00:31:38,295
Speaker 5: which in this case it was flashings, it might be

531
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Speaker 5: the Code of Compliance inspection or the final inspection prior

532
00:31:41,295 --> 00:31:45,015
Speaker 5: to applying for a CCC, it would be okay, well,

533
00:31:45,055 --> 00:31:46,855
Speaker 5: how have you fixed that? And if it doesn't look

534
00:31:46,895 --> 00:31:48,615
Speaker 5: any different, and I can go back and look at

535
00:31:48,615 --> 00:31:51,575
Speaker 5: the photographs of the non compliant flashings, then that should

536
00:31:51,575 --> 00:31:55,335
Speaker 5: be a fail. And if it's got a fail, then

537
00:31:55,335 --> 00:31:57,415
Speaker 5: there's no way you're getting a CCC for it as well.

538
00:31:59,215 --> 00:32:02,695
Speaker 5: Something deeply mysterious about that whole situation. It is six

539
00:32:02,815 --> 00:32:05,015
Speaker 5: forty four here in news Talk z'd be open line

540
00:32:05,095 --> 00:32:08,255
Speaker 5: on all things building and construction. If you've got a

541
00:32:08,335 --> 00:32:11,575
Speaker 5: project that you'd like to get done and a few ideas,

542
00:32:11,615 --> 00:32:14,535
Speaker 5: Tips and trucks happy to chat with you this morning, John,

543
00:32:14,615 --> 00:32:15,295
Speaker 5: Good morning.

544
00:32:16,695 --> 00:32:16,895
Speaker 8: Yeah.

545
00:32:19,535 --> 00:32:22,015
Speaker 6: If I might mislip lady, I think buy one's a

546
00:32:22,055 --> 00:32:22,695
Speaker 6: bit easier than that.

547
00:32:22,975 --> 00:32:23,575
Speaker 4: I just want to.

548
00:32:25,295 --> 00:32:28,695
Speaker 12: Yes, I want to overlay a concrete floor with twenty

549
00:32:28,775 --> 00:32:32,615
Speaker 12: more mill plywood, and can I just put it straight

550
00:32:32,695 --> 00:32:35,815
Speaker 12: down on the concrete floor, glew it and maybe concrete

551
00:32:35,895 --> 00:32:37,135
Speaker 12: nail it down.

552
00:32:38,175 --> 00:32:41,095
Speaker 5: I wouldn't rely just on mechanical fixing, so I do

553
00:32:41,215 --> 00:32:42,335
Speaker 5: an adhesive as well.

554
00:32:43,935 --> 00:32:47,055
Speaker 4: Right, How old's the concrete slab that it's going down on?

555
00:32:48,495 --> 00:32:48,655
Speaker 1: Oh?

556
00:32:48,975 --> 00:32:49,495
Speaker 10: Ten years?

557
00:32:50,015 --> 00:32:50,695
Speaker 4: Okay, all right?

558
00:32:52,855 --> 00:32:55,215
Speaker 5: Like if it was newer, i'd say maybe you apply

559
00:32:55,535 --> 00:32:57,895
Speaker 5: a vapor barrier just as because there will be some

560
00:32:58,015 --> 00:33:00,335
Speaker 5: moisture in the slab. Now, after ten years, most of

561
00:33:00,375 --> 00:33:02,775
Speaker 5: that would have disappeared. But if you wanted to check,

562
00:33:02,855 --> 00:33:06,215
Speaker 5: get a bit of plastic and on the exposed concrete,

563
00:33:06,335 --> 00:33:08,495
Speaker 5: get a piece of plastic about you know, foot by

564
00:33:08,535 --> 00:33:11,095
Speaker 5: a foot three hundred by three hundred, tape it down,

565
00:33:11,295 --> 00:33:13,815
Speaker 5: leave it there for say twenty four hours, take it

566
00:33:13,895 --> 00:33:16,415
Speaker 5: up and see if there's any condensation on the underside.

567
00:33:18,175 --> 00:33:20,335
Speaker 5: If there is condensation, then you might want to look

568
00:33:20,415 --> 00:33:23,575
Speaker 5: at putting down a vapor barrier. The last one that

569
00:33:23,695 --> 00:33:25,975
Speaker 5: I did, it's a few years ago now. I put

570
00:33:26,175 --> 00:33:33,015
Speaker 5: plywood down, but I used a like an expanding urethane adhesive.

571
00:33:33,175 --> 00:33:38,375
Speaker 5: It was by a company called Uroxis, and I applied

572
00:33:38,415 --> 00:33:40,335
Speaker 5: it with a trowel with a notch trowl out of

573
00:33:40,375 --> 00:33:43,935
Speaker 5: a bucket, so clean the surface really thoroughly, and I

574
00:33:44,335 --> 00:33:46,255
Speaker 5: kind of just put a few little pins in the

575
00:33:46,335 --> 00:33:48,775
Speaker 5: plywood just to hold it flat, and I actually weighted

576
00:33:48,855 --> 00:33:53,295
Speaker 5: it down with buckets of water until the adhesive had set,

577
00:33:53,455 --> 00:33:56,455
Speaker 5: and to the best of my knowledge, that's stayed there

578
00:33:56,535 --> 00:33:59,575
Speaker 5: for twenty odd years. So I would use an adhesive

579
00:33:59,815 --> 00:34:03,695
Speaker 5: underneath because the mechanical fixings with foot traffic over the

580
00:34:03,775 --> 00:34:07,375
Speaker 5: top may over time let go, whereas the adhesive will

581
00:34:07,375 --> 00:34:10,455
Speaker 5: give you one hundred percent coverage and one hundred percent

582
00:34:10,575 --> 00:34:12,175
Speaker 5: adhesion between the two surfaces.

583
00:34:13,415 --> 00:34:14,175
Speaker 6: Okay, what was that.

584
00:34:15,295 --> 00:34:15,855
Speaker 4: It was called you.

585
00:34:16,055 --> 00:34:18,295
Speaker 5: It was by a company called you Roxas, which is

586
00:34:18,335 --> 00:34:23,975
Speaker 5: something like you. I'll look at ham you are O

587
00:34:24,815 --> 00:34:27,295
Speaker 5: x Y, something like they're out in his stomachy. There

588
00:34:27,335 --> 00:34:30,495
Speaker 5: will be other products as well, right, so you know

589
00:34:30,575 --> 00:34:35,055
Speaker 5: there's plenty of flooring companies. There'll be an adhesive that

590
00:34:35,175 --> 00:34:38,375
Speaker 5: you can use, but I blew it down.

591
00:34:39,615 --> 00:34:41,535
Speaker 11: Okay, all right, thanks a lot for the trouble at all.

592
00:34:41,975 --> 00:34:44,935
Speaker 5: All the very best, take care, Thank you newsoks'd b

593
00:34:45,015 --> 00:34:47,055
Speaker 5: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty A quick a

594
00:34:47,055 --> 00:34:52,335
Speaker 5: couple of texts before the break. Ah morning, Pete the

595
00:34:52,775 --> 00:34:55,455
Speaker 5: lady who called with the second call about the overhang,

596
00:34:55,455 --> 00:34:57,655
Speaker 5: could you explain this. I understand it's to refer to

597
00:34:57,695 --> 00:35:00,295
Speaker 5: the overhang of the bottom plate outside of the concrete foundation,

598
00:35:00,655 --> 00:35:02,015
Speaker 5: but might have misunderstood.

599
00:35:02,135 --> 00:35:03,735
Speaker 4: Dave. You're on the money.

600
00:35:04,615 --> 00:35:07,535
Speaker 5: So typically, if you've got a correct foundation or any

601
00:35:08,375 --> 00:35:12,215
Speaker 5: timber or concrete floor, when you put your bottom plate on,

602
00:35:12,695 --> 00:35:16,855
Speaker 5: there is a minimum distance that it's allowed to overhang, right,

603
00:35:18,015 --> 00:35:20,295
Speaker 5: and I think that's about six mil I actually thought

604
00:35:20,295 --> 00:35:21,895
Speaker 5: it was a little bit more than that. But either way,

605
00:35:21,935 --> 00:35:23,895
Speaker 5: it shouldn't be thirty five milk because if you've got

606
00:35:23,935 --> 00:35:26,535
Speaker 5: a ninety mil bottom plate that's holding up the rest

607
00:35:26,575 --> 00:35:30,415
Speaker 5: of your house and only fifty five millimeters of that

608
00:35:31,655 --> 00:35:34,495
Speaker 5: is actually sitting on the timber by the time you

609
00:35:34,615 --> 00:35:37,295
Speaker 5: put a fastener in there, it's going to be awfully

610
00:35:37,335 --> 00:35:39,775
Speaker 5: close to the edge, so that might not hold as well.

611
00:35:40,535 --> 00:35:43,295
Speaker 5: And then you've got a certain amount of the weight

612
00:35:43,655 --> 00:35:47,015
Speaker 5: is actually not being supported at all. So that sort

613
00:35:47,095 --> 00:35:49,495
Speaker 5: of thing should get picked up. I mean, it happens

614
00:35:49,495 --> 00:35:51,975
Speaker 5: from time to time, right if the guys get their

615
00:35:52,055 --> 00:35:55,495
Speaker 5: marks on the slab, wrong frames arrive and the frame

616
00:35:55,575 --> 00:35:57,935
Speaker 5: hangs out. But then you address it and you fix it,

617
00:35:58,055 --> 00:35:59,975
Speaker 5: and you go back to the engineer, You get the

618
00:36:00,055 --> 00:36:02,535
Speaker 5: engineer to design a solution for that, you do it,

619
00:36:02,655 --> 00:36:05,135
Speaker 5: the engineer signs it off. I mean, even you know

620
00:36:05,215 --> 00:36:07,895
Speaker 5: the comment that she made about engineers signing things off,

621
00:36:08,935 --> 00:36:13,815
Speaker 5: that seemed they're all governed by their own professional responsibilities.

622
00:36:13,895 --> 00:36:17,575
Speaker 5: And it's again I'm struggling to comprehend a situation where

623
00:36:17,575 --> 00:36:22,135
Speaker 5: an engineer is prepared to put their official name and number,

624
00:36:22,655 --> 00:36:27,935
Speaker 5: their CPN's number, onto a document where they they're not

625
00:36:28,055 --> 00:36:29,935
Speaker 5: confident that the work's been done in accordance with the

626
00:36:29,975 --> 00:36:33,655
Speaker 5: building code or with their instructions. A lot of things

627
00:36:33,695 --> 00:36:36,135
Speaker 5: about that that are just a little bit unusual. We'll

628
00:36:36,175 --> 00:36:39,415
Speaker 5: talk to Paul after the break. It is eleven minutes

629
00:36:39,535 --> 00:36:40,415
Speaker 5: away from seven.

630
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Speaker 1: Whether you're painting with ceiling, fixing, with or wondering how

631
00:36:43,735 --> 00:36:45,935
Speaker 1: to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter wolf

632
00:36:45,975 --> 00:36:50,855
Speaker 1: Gaffer call on the resident builder on youth Talks.

633
00:36:50,855 --> 00:36:53,575
Speaker 5: B these talks, the'd be We're taking your calls and

634
00:36:53,975 --> 00:36:54,975
Speaker 5: paul a very good morning.

635
00:36:55,975 --> 00:36:59,255
Speaker 4: Hello, thank yeah, very well, thanks great.

636
00:36:59,455 --> 00:37:01,175
Speaker 6: Hey, listen, I've got to paint a picture. I've got

637
00:37:01,215 --> 00:37:04,775
Speaker 6: a brick. I've got a brick gate post with an

638
00:37:04,855 --> 00:37:07,895
Speaker 6: electric gate fitted to it. Now that the hinge for

639
00:37:08,015 --> 00:37:11,975
Speaker 6: the electric gate, the bottom hinge is screwed into the diagonal,

640
00:37:12,575 --> 00:37:16,615
Speaker 6: into the corner at the bottom, and this this week

641
00:37:17,175 --> 00:37:21,255
Speaker 6: the bottom. It's a long story, but basically the bit

642
00:37:21,295 --> 00:37:23,215
Speaker 6: of the brick at the bottom came away from around

643
00:37:23,215 --> 00:37:25,695
Speaker 6: the hinge, so I can see the hinge going in

644
00:37:27,455 --> 00:37:30,775
Speaker 6: now rather than having to build the whole bloody thing.

645
00:37:30,855 --> 00:37:33,295
Speaker 6: I'm assuming it's not a very big bit that's come out,

646
00:37:33,335 --> 00:37:35,175
Speaker 6: and I've been watching it with fingers crossed all week

647
00:37:35,215 --> 00:37:38,335
Speaker 6: and it doesn't seem to move. What's the best bonding

648
00:37:38,415 --> 00:37:41,135
Speaker 6: could I put on there, just to try and cement

649
00:37:41,255 --> 00:37:41,575
Speaker 6: it in and.

650
00:37:41,615 --> 00:37:42,015
Speaker 8: Keep it in.

651
00:37:43,895 --> 00:37:49,815
Speaker 5: So the pen that's fastened into the brick column hasn't

652
00:37:50,055 --> 00:37:51,695
Speaker 5: doesn't look like it's starting until it go.

653
00:37:52,655 --> 00:37:57,135
Speaker 6: No touching wood went open the door, and it's it

654
00:37:57,255 --> 00:37:58,495
Speaker 6: looks okay, all right.

655
00:38:01,535 --> 00:38:03,215
Speaker 5: I think if you had a look like there are

656
00:38:03,295 --> 00:38:07,775
Speaker 5: lots of sort of you know, patching compounds that you

657
00:38:07,855 --> 00:38:11,895
Speaker 5: can use that have an adhesive with them. So chances

658
00:38:11,935 --> 00:38:14,135
Speaker 5: are they're either going to be made by semex so

659
00:38:14,375 --> 00:38:18,135
Speaker 5: ce m i X or someone like Seeker who have

660
00:38:18,335 --> 00:38:21,495
Speaker 5: these bonding and repair agents. So if you think that

661
00:38:21,615 --> 00:38:23,615
Speaker 5: it's it looks like it's not going to come away,

662
00:38:24,375 --> 00:38:27,455
Speaker 5: have a look at products by either of those two companies.

663
00:38:27,575 --> 00:38:30,495
Speaker 5: Clean the area, do the right preparation. There might be

664
00:38:30,775 --> 00:38:33,335
Speaker 5: like a bonding agent that you need to apply to

665
00:38:33,455 --> 00:38:38,655
Speaker 5: the bear brickwork first and then apply the semititious material

666
00:38:38,735 --> 00:38:40,935
Speaker 5: in there. It might depending on how deep it is,

667
00:38:41,015 --> 00:38:42,575
Speaker 5: you might need to build it up over a couple

668
00:38:42,615 --> 00:38:45,455
Speaker 5: of layers. But you should be able to essentially patch

669
00:38:45,655 --> 00:38:48,855
Speaker 5: around that and give some security to that fixing.

670
00:38:49,895 --> 00:38:53,295
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, so just just get something for a secret.

671
00:38:53,575 --> 00:38:55,415
Speaker 6: I would try that bonding agent.

672
00:38:55,695 --> 00:38:58,175
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that will give some support to it.

673
00:38:58,335 --> 00:39:01,935
Speaker 5: And and I guess I'm thinking ahead that if let's

674
00:39:01,935 --> 00:39:04,175
Speaker 5: say that doesn't work and the pin starts to come out,

675
00:39:05,455 --> 00:39:08,055
Speaker 5: I wonder whether the simpler solution would be to get

676
00:39:08,175 --> 00:39:12,015
Speaker 5: an engineer to make you a plate with those hinges

677
00:39:12,135 --> 00:39:14,415
Speaker 5: fastened to it or welded to it, and then you

678
00:39:14,535 --> 00:39:17,895
Speaker 5: could bolt the plate to the column using some epoxy

679
00:39:18,335 --> 00:39:20,895
Speaker 5: and some stainless steel starters or something like the stainless

680
00:39:20,935 --> 00:39:23,855
Speaker 5: steel threaded rod, and that would spread the weight out,

681
00:39:23,975 --> 00:39:26,015
Speaker 5: you know, if you had a number of different fastness that.

682
00:39:26,175 --> 00:39:27,535
Speaker 4: That would be my next.

683
00:39:29,015 --> 00:39:32,575
Speaker 5: That's quite a good just to spread the weight, you know,

684
00:39:32,615 --> 00:39:35,775
Speaker 5: because in the end, unless that brick column is solid,

685
00:39:35,895 --> 00:39:39,815
Speaker 5: filled as and grouted completely, just fastening into the bricks

686
00:39:39,975 --> 00:39:43,535
Speaker 5: over time, it's not and the weight of the is

687
00:39:43,575 --> 00:39:46,175
Speaker 5: it a swing gate, Yes, a swing gate, and it's

688
00:39:46,255 --> 00:39:47,415
Speaker 5: all swinging off there.

689
00:39:49,095 --> 00:39:53,495
Speaker 6: I mean there's obviously the two hinges, you know, top

690
00:39:53,535 --> 00:39:56,295
Speaker 6: and bottom. But yes, you're right, it does. It does

691
00:39:56,375 --> 00:39:57,055
Speaker 6: swing off there.

692
00:39:57,335 --> 00:39:59,655
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, no, that'll that'll be a certain amount of

693
00:39:59,695 --> 00:40:04,455
Speaker 5: weight in there. But look, I think those adhesives will

694
00:40:05,775 --> 00:40:07,495
Speaker 5: help stuff and support that.

695
00:40:07,735 --> 00:40:11,935
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, just trying to stop and moving too much. Yeah,

696
00:40:11,975 --> 00:40:12,935
Speaker 6: that's okay. That was great.

697
00:40:12,975 --> 00:40:14,175
Speaker 13: Thank you very much for you.

698
00:40:14,255 --> 00:40:16,895
Speaker 4: Have a great day. Take care of you and new stalk.

699
00:40:16,895 --> 00:40:20,655
Speaker 5: See we're about a minute away from the news. I

700
00:40:20,815 --> 00:40:23,695
Speaker 5: wonder whether we might Oh, we have a crack. Brian Greetings,

701
00:40:26,015 --> 00:40:26,535
Speaker 5: good morning.

702
00:40:28,135 --> 00:40:34,255
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've got a interleaxis garage on the end of

703
00:40:34,335 --> 00:40:37,535
Speaker 8: my house and I want to convert it into a lounge.

704
00:40:38,735 --> 00:40:42,495
Speaker 8: Now on the other end of the house, there's room

705
00:40:42,815 --> 00:40:47,375
Speaker 8: to extend the house with another garage, but there's a

706
00:40:47,415 --> 00:40:50,735
Speaker 8: sewer pipe runs around around the end of the house

707
00:40:51,375 --> 00:40:51,975
Speaker 8: and then now.

708
00:40:52,015 --> 00:40:52,535
Speaker 11: To the road.

709
00:40:53,175 --> 00:40:55,215
Speaker 8: Can I build over the sewer pipe or do I

710
00:40:55,295 --> 00:40:55,895
Speaker 8: have to shift it?

711
00:40:56,615 --> 00:40:58,295
Speaker 4: No, you can build over it.

712
00:40:59,015 --> 00:41:02,695
Speaker 5: Obviously, you've got to make an application to whoever owns

713
00:41:02,775 --> 00:41:07,295
Speaker 5: that it's a sewer pipe, so local authorities, and essentially

714
00:41:07,375 --> 00:41:09,735
Speaker 5: what it will involve is if they give you permission,

715
00:41:09,895 --> 00:41:11,815
Speaker 5: you take the center line of the sewer pipe, you

716
00:41:11,895 --> 00:41:13,095
Speaker 5: go a meter either side.

717
00:41:13,495 --> 00:41:15,535
Speaker 4: You have to pile down to below the.

718
00:41:15,615 --> 00:41:18,095
Speaker 5: Depth of the pipe and then cast and sit you

719
00:41:18,175 --> 00:41:21,015
Speaker 5: a concrete beam over there, so it's it's durable. Lots

720
00:41:21,015 --> 00:41:24,815
Speaker 5: of people do it, but there's quite a process involved

721
00:41:24,935 --> 00:41:28,335
Speaker 5: in getting engineering permission and consent for it.

722
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Speaker 11: But it's doable.

723
00:41:30,895 --> 00:41:34,455
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor. Get the right advice from

724
00:41:34,575 --> 00:41:39,015
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcap, the resident builder on NEWSTALKSBYO News.

725
00:41:38,895 --> 00:41:40,575
Speaker 4: Talk sed B Welcome back, to the program.

726
00:41:40,895 --> 00:41:42,935
Speaker 5: My name is Pete wolf Camp, the resident builder, and

727
00:41:43,055 --> 00:41:46,255
Speaker 5: it is seven minutes six minutes after seven here at

728
00:41:46,375 --> 00:41:50,175
Speaker 5: Newstalks EDB. If you've got a question of a building nature,

729
00:41:50,495 --> 00:41:53,255
Speaker 5: then eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

730
00:41:53,295 --> 00:41:55,855
Speaker 5: to call. You can text through as well. Nine to

731
00:41:56,255 --> 00:41:59,895
Speaker 5: nine two is the number there or ZBZB from your

732
00:41:59,935 --> 00:42:02,215
Speaker 5: mobile phone. And if you'd like to send me an email,

733
00:42:02,335 --> 00:42:06,095
Speaker 5: you're more than welcome. It's Pete at news Talks EDB

734
00:42:06,535 --> 00:42:08,935
Speaker 5: Co dot NZ. Now there seems to have been a

735
00:42:09,095 --> 00:42:12,015
Speaker 5: change to the text system, which isn't new, but I'm

736
00:42:12,055 --> 00:42:14,575
Speaker 5: not here that often sort of thing, and I used

737
00:42:14,575 --> 00:42:17,295
Speaker 5: to be able to respond, but because I haven't read

738
00:42:17,335 --> 00:42:20,415
Speaker 5: the instructions, I can't. You know, that's by the bye anyway, Sandy.

739
00:42:21,735 --> 00:42:24,655
Speaker 5: I will bring those nail boxes into the studio next week.

740
00:42:25,055 --> 00:42:27,415
Speaker 5: That'll make perfect sense to Sandy, make no sense to

741
00:42:27,455 --> 00:42:30,015
Speaker 5: anyone else at all. But I can't reply on the

742
00:42:30,095 --> 00:42:33,375
Speaker 5: text machine. So hopefully you're listening, Sandy, and we'll get

743
00:42:33,375 --> 00:42:34,615
Speaker 5: you some of those nail boxes.

744
00:42:35,375 --> 00:42:37,615
Speaker 4: Actually, this was a lovely moment. Yesterday.

745
00:42:37,815 --> 00:42:40,775
Speaker 5: I some time ago I mentioned that i'd been making

746
00:42:40,935 --> 00:42:44,735
Speaker 5: or had made some owl boxes for RU for more

747
00:42:44,775 --> 00:42:49,375
Speaker 5: pork or ru and I got some instructions from the

748
00:42:49,495 --> 00:42:54,375
Speaker 5: professor doctor Rudd, and so he sent me some instructions

749
00:42:54,415 --> 00:42:59,255
Speaker 5: for an owl box, which I dully dutifully made exactly

750
00:42:59,335 --> 00:43:02,375
Speaker 5: to the specifications, only to find out later on that

751
00:43:02,495 --> 00:43:06,095
Speaker 5: in fact, that's for like a barn owl as a

752
00:43:06,575 --> 00:43:09,415
Speaker 5: to a Ruru box. Then I made another one that's

753
00:43:09,495 --> 00:43:13,135
Speaker 5: more suited to Ruru and then I gave that one

754
00:43:13,175 --> 00:43:16,215
Speaker 5: to my sister and she sent me a photograph yesterday.

755
00:43:16,255 --> 00:43:17,655
Speaker 5: They put it up in a tall tree at the

756
00:43:17,695 --> 00:43:21,375
Speaker 5: back of the property and hopefully waiting for new inhabitants

757
00:43:21,495 --> 00:43:25,095
Speaker 5: to arrive and occupy the Ruru box that I made.

758
00:43:25,255 --> 00:43:28,615
Speaker 5: And I can't tell you how excited I will be

759
00:43:29,175 --> 00:43:31,535
Speaker 5: if I get a photograph from my sister going, hey,

760
00:43:31,615 --> 00:43:34,615
Speaker 5: look we've got occupants. We've got new tenants into the

761
00:43:34,695 --> 00:43:39,615
Speaker 5: Ruru house, and hopefully some young young Ruru chicks will

762
00:43:39,615 --> 00:43:41,015
Speaker 5: be fledged from there as well.

763
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Speaker 4: I will keep you up to date.

764
00:43:43,055 --> 00:43:45,455
Speaker 5: It also might prompt me to make a couple more

765
00:43:45,615 --> 00:43:48,895
Speaker 5: of these Ru boxes as well. Oh, eight hundred eighty

766
00:43:48,975 --> 00:43:51,975
Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number to call. See housing big

767
00:43:52,135 --> 00:43:54,295
Speaker 5: or small. That's what we're talking about on the show.

768
00:43:54,695 --> 00:43:57,295
Speaker 5: What's that program from years ago? All creatures great and small?

769
00:43:57,815 --> 00:44:00,575
Speaker 5: There you go, so happy to talk about houses of humans,

770
00:44:00,575 --> 00:44:03,015
Speaker 5: happy to talk about houses ruu as well. On the

771
00:44:03,055 --> 00:44:05,775
Speaker 5: show nine minutes after seven. A little bit later in

772
00:44:05,815 --> 00:44:09,255
Speaker 5: the show about now is time, charmer from Master Builders

773
00:44:09,255 --> 00:44:12,615
Speaker 5: actually talking about a new program that they've got which

774
00:44:12,695 --> 00:44:16,055
Speaker 5: is encouraging clients to have discussions with their builders. So

775
00:44:16,135 --> 00:44:19,735
Speaker 5: there ain't no surprises. And based on the first couple

776
00:44:19,735 --> 00:44:21,935
Speaker 5: of phone calls we had this morning just after six,

777
00:44:22,495 --> 00:44:24,455
Speaker 5: that's got to be a good thing. Oh, eight hundred

778
00:44:24,575 --> 00:44:26,815
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty. Let's get into it. If you've got

779
00:44:26,855 --> 00:44:29,575
Speaker 5: a question, give me a call now. Brian, Sorry, we

780
00:44:29,935 --> 00:44:31,695
Speaker 5: spoke briefly before the news.

781
00:44:32,095 --> 00:44:35,095
Speaker 8: So the s you've got the wrong end of the

782
00:44:35,135 --> 00:44:35,735
Speaker 8: sewer pipe.

783
00:44:35,775 --> 00:44:39,375
Speaker 4: That's it's your sewer pipe, Okay.

784
00:44:40,095 --> 00:44:41,935
Speaker 8: It just goes around the end of the house.

785
00:44:43,295 --> 00:44:46,415
Speaker 5: The simplest thing then would be to move the sewer

786
00:44:46,455 --> 00:44:49,535
Speaker 5: pipe right, because the piling and all the rest of

787
00:44:49,575 --> 00:44:52,975
Speaker 5: it will be quite complicated. There's engineering and so on.

788
00:44:53,455 --> 00:44:55,415
Speaker 5: So what you would do is when you'll need a

789
00:44:55,455 --> 00:44:59,095
Speaker 5: building consent obviously for the extension, and on the building

790
00:44:59,175 --> 00:45:02,095
Speaker 5: consent you just note the fact that as long as

791
00:45:02,135 --> 00:45:06,215
Speaker 5: there's sufficient fall, you're simply going to relay a new

792
00:45:06,415 --> 00:45:09,775
Speaker 5: sewer line around the perimeter of the building, and therefore

793
00:45:09,775 --> 00:45:10,775
Speaker 5: we don't have to worry about it.

794
00:45:11,775 --> 00:45:14,495
Speaker 8: So you go put a like a concrete slab over

795
00:45:14,855 --> 00:45:17,095
Speaker 8: and then just have a rotting point at each each

796
00:45:17,255 --> 00:45:17,855
Speaker 8: end of the pipe.

797
00:45:18,215 --> 00:45:21,855
Speaker 5: I don't know that anyone would accept that. I mean,

798
00:45:22,615 --> 00:45:27,295
Speaker 5: practically speaking, it would probably work. But of course, you

799
00:45:27,335 --> 00:45:29,015
Speaker 5: know you've got to think when you dig a trench

800
00:45:29,135 --> 00:45:32,975
Speaker 5: for services like a sewer pipe and you compact it,

801
00:45:33,175 --> 00:45:35,695
Speaker 5: it's not it's not going to have the bearing capacity

802
00:45:35,735 --> 00:45:39,455
Speaker 5: of ground. And so I mean, look by all means,

803
00:45:39,495 --> 00:45:41,775
Speaker 5: talk to a designer. They might say, actually, what we'll

804
00:45:41,855 --> 00:45:45,655
Speaker 5: do is for maybe we do do a small pile,

805
00:45:45,815 --> 00:45:48,415
Speaker 5: like if it's you know, typically sewer pipe might be

806
00:45:48,615 --> 00:45:52,895
Speaker 5: five six hundred in the ground. You know, maybe the

807
00:45:52,975 --> 00:45:55,735
Speaker 5: simpler design is simply to go, we'll do a pile

808
00:45:55,975 --> 00:45:58,695
Speaker 5: either side. You could do that with an auger, you know,

809
00:45:58,815 --> 00:46:01,615
Speaker 5: drop in a cage. We'll just beef up the foundations

810
00:46:01,655 --> 00:46:04,535
Speaker 5: over that point and as you say, insert a rotting

811
00:46:04,615 --> 00:46:08,055
Speaker 5: eye at both ends of the line. That might be

812
00:46:08,375 --> 00:46:11,695
Speaker 5: a cheaper solution, but you know, you just have to

813
00:46:12,135 --> 00:46:14,775
Speaker 5: you've identified the problem and if you can then provide

814
00:46:14,775 --> 00:46:16,695
Speaker 5: a solution that's acceptable to counsel.

815
00:46:17,135 --> 00:46:19,095
Speaker 4: It might be bridging, or it might be moving it.

816
00:46:19,575 --> 00:46:21,095
Speaker 4: I suspect all.

817
00:46:21,055 --> 00:46:22,375
Speaker 8: Councils are different to us.

818
00:46:22,375 --> 00:46:23,935
Speaker 11: Suppose they've got different theories.

819
00:46:24,295 --> 00:46:26,495
Speaker 5: Yeah, and sometimes it depends because it's not a sort

820
00:46:26,495 --> 00:46:29,535
Speaker 5: of standard solution. I mean, look, there's lots of slabs

821
00:46:29,655 --> 00:46:32,615
Speaker 5: underneath concrete flows, right, because if you've got a toilet

822
00:46:32,615 --> 00:46:34,295
Speaker 5: in the middle of the house, you've got a slab

823
00:46:34,455 --> 00:46:37,455
Speaker 5: underneath your floor. So it's not like it can't be done,

824
00:46:38,495 --> 00:46:40,295
Speaker 5: but you just have to come up with a solution

825
00:46:40,415 --> 00:46:41,815
Speaker 5: that council's going to accept.

826
00:46:43,015 --> 00:46:45,655
Speaker 4: Yeah, all good, made, all the best. I hope it

827
00:46:45,695 --> 00:46:46,095
Speaker 4: goes well.

828
00:46:46,255 --> 00:46:49,775
Speaker 5: Take care, lighth Hey, look at around this time. I

829
00:46:49,855 --> 00:46:52,095
Speaker 5: think last week on the show, there was a discussion

830
00:46:52,295 --> 00:46:58,015
Speaker 5: about someone who had an existing house with a dechromastic roof,

831
00:46:58,135 --> 00:47:03,575
Speaker 5: so we're probably talking building nineteen seventy something like that,

832
00:47:04,895 --> 00:47:08,455
Speaker 5: and that decromastic roof had reached the end of its life.

833
00:47:08,895 --> 00:47:12,375
Speaker 5: They went out to contractors who were going to replace

834
00:47:12,495 --> 00:47:17,255
Speaker 5: the dechromastic roof with a long run roof of some description,

835
00:47:17,375 --> 00:47:19,535
Speaker 5: whether it's whatever particular.

836
00:47:19,175 --> 00:47:21,055
Speaker 4: Profile, but a long run roof.

837
00:47:21,575 --> 00:47:24,775
Speaker 5: So in order to do that, I'm thinking that in

838
00:47:24,975 --> 00:47:29,815
Speaker 5: most cases you'll need to remove the dechromastic the dechromastic

839
00:47:30,695 --> 00:47:35,135
Speaker 5: tiles or the metal pressed tile typically is fastened down

840
00:47:35,255 --> 00:47:37,855
Speaker 5: onto battens which are like a fifty x twenty five

841
00:47:37,935 --> 00:47:41,855
Speaker 5: batten at four hundred centers or whatever's required. That's not

842
00:47:41,975 --> 00:47:45,535
Speaker 5: suitable for having long run fastened to it. So you

843
00:47:45,695 --> 00:47:49,175
Speaker 5: either remove those or in between those you add new perlins.

844
00:47:50,695 --> 00:47:53,015
Speaker 5: They need to be fixed down in accordance with the

845
00:47:53,215 --> 00:47:56,175
Speaker 5: building code in terms of prevention of uplift, and then

846
00:47:56,335 --> 00:48:00,015
Speaker 5: probably roofing paper and then new iron over the top.

847
00:48:00,975 --> 00:48:04,415
Speaker 5: And does that work require a building consent? From everything

848
00:48:04,495 --> 00:48:08,015
Speaker 5: that I've read, it does. It would seem that the

849
00:48:08,095 --> 00:48:11,895
Speaker 5: advice from some of the contractors is it didn't require

850
00:48:11,895 --> 00:48:12,655
Speaker 5: a building consent.

851
00:48:13,175 --> 00:48:15,135
Speaker 4: I think it does because it's structural.

852
00:48:15,495 --> 00:48:17,775
Speaker 5: So while it could be seen as like for like

853
00:48:18,255 --> 00:48:23,215
Speaker 5: light weight metal, for like weight light weight metal, because

854
00:48:23,255 --> 00:48:25,175
Speaker 5: of the addition of the pearlins, and because of the

855
00:48:25,295 --> 00:48:28,535
Speaker 5: requirement to ensure that the pearlins are fastened in such

856
00:48:28,575 --> 00:48:31,815
Speaker 5: a way that you don't get uplift. And if you know,

857
00:48:32,135 --> 00:48:34,935
Speaker 5: every year we see pictures on the news video on

858
00:48:34,975 --> 00:48:38,095
Speaker 5: the news of a storm and suddenly you see a

859
00:48:38,175 --> 00:48:42,095
Speaker 5: house and the iron is peeling off, sometimes with the

860
00:48:42,215 --> 00:48:45,895
Speaker 5: pearlins attached to it. You know, every now and then

861
00:48:45,935 --> 00:48:47,535
Speaker 5: you just see the iron peel off and you see

862
00:48:47,535 --> 00:48:49,415
Speaker 5: the pearlins there. But I've seen it a number of

863
00:48:49,495 --> 00:48:52,615
Speaker 5: times where the fasteners that are used to fasten the

864
00:48:52,735 --> 00:48:55,855
Speaker 5: iron to the peerlin hold, but the fasteners for the

865
00:48:55,935 --> 00:48:58,575
Speaker 5: perlin through to the top of the truss they let

866
00:48:58,695 --> 00:49:01,175
Speaker 5: go and the whole thing just peels off as one piece.

867
00:49:01,295 --> 00:49:04,175
Speaker 5: So that's what you're looking to prevent. That's why I

868
00:49:04,255 --> 00:49:06,455
Speaker 5: think it requires a building consent.

869
00:49:06,415 --> 00:49:07,575
Speaker 4: For that type of work.

870
00:49:08,135 --> 00:49:12,975
Speaker 5: Hopefully it's relatively minor, should be processed quickly and may

871
00:49:13,135 --> 00:49:16,135
Speaker 5: or may not require an inspection if the work's done

872
00:49:16,175 --> 00:49:19,015
Speaker 5: by an LBP. That's the sort of thing where if

873
00:49:19,095 --> 00:49:22,415
Speaker 5: we can increase the scope of work able to be

874
00:49:22,975 --> 00:49:25,575
Speaker 5: signed off, let's say by an LBP, there's not a

875
00:49:25,655 --> 00:49:27,895
Speaker 5: requirement to get a building inspector out as long as

876
00:49:27,935 --> 00:49:32,015
Speaker 5: the LBP makes a note of the work, states that

877
00:49:32,095 --> 00:49:34,655
Speaker 5: it's done in accordance with the code, provides some evidence

878
00:49:34,735 --> 00:49:37,655
Speaker 5: photographs of the fixings, etc. And then does the work

879
00:49:37,735 --> 00:49:43,135
Speaker 5: in accordance with best practice we'll see, oh, eight hundred

880
00:49:43,135 --> 00:49:45,255
Speaker 5: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Had

881
00:49:45,295 --> 00:49:49,015
Speaker 5: a number of calls, and it's a bit disheartening, right,

882
00:49:50,535 --> 00:49:53,175
Speaker 5: And I have to say, from my own experience, I

883
00:49:53,295 --> 00:49:56,375
Speaker 5: don't see it in the sense of some of this

884
00:49:56,575 --> 00:49:58,375
Speaker 5: poor work that a couple of people in the first

885
00:49:58,415 --> 00:50:01,815
Speaker 5: part of the program have described, because the people that

886
00:50:02,015 --> 00:50:06,735
Speaker 5: I know who build build well. The houses that I've

887
00:50:06,775 --> 00:50:10,615
Speaker 5: been involved with generally are built well. So these descriptions

888
00:50:10,655 --> 00:50:14,855
Speaker 5: of really poor quality work, poor quality finishing is just

889
00:50:14,975 --> 00:50:19,575
Speaker 5: not something that I'm personally seeing, because what I see

890
00:50:19,655 --> 00:50:22,255
Speaker 5: most of the time is actually good quality. That's not

891
00:50:22,375 --> 00:50:26,495
Speaker 5: to say there isn't poor quality work being done. Undoubtedly

892
00:50:26,575 --> 00:50:29,975
Speaker 5: there is, and in fact, there's a couple of building

893
00:50:30,015 --> 00:50:34,095
Speaker 5: inspectors around the country who have taken to very delicately

894
00:50:34,175 --> 00:50:38,215
Speaker 5: and without showing any indication of who's doing the work

895
00:50:38,335 --> 00:50:40,975
Speaker 5: or where it happens to be some examples of the

896
00:50:41,135 --> 00:50:45,095
Speaker 5: really poor quality I'm talking council building inspectors, some of

897
00:50:45,135 --> 00:50:47,975
Speaker 5: the poor quality work that's out there. I still find

898
00:50:48,015 --> 00:50:50,455
Speaker 5: it baffling, but it is out there, and sometimes you

899
00:50:50,535 --> 00:50:52,575
Speaker 5: look at it and you go, you've got to work

900
00:50:52,735 --> 00:50:56,255
Speaker 5: really hard to build that bad. Building well is actually

901
00:50:56,375 --> 00:51:00,295
Speaker 5: much simpler than building really really poorly. But it's out there.

902
00:51:00,495 --> 00:51:03,015
Speaker 5: So if you want to talk about that, that'd be great.

903
00:51:03,055 --> 00:51:05,535
Speaker 5: Good to you know you're listening, Sandy. We'll get those

904
00:51:05,575 --> 00:51:07,895
Speaker 5: boxes sorted for you next week. I think she's making

905
00:51:07,935 --> 00:51:09,935
Speaker 5: them into boxes for starlings. I happen to have some

906
00:51:10,055 --> 00:51:13,775
Speaker 5: nail boxes floating around at home and I'm going to

907
00:51:13,855 --> 00:51:16,535
Speaker 5: donate a couple in the hope that they'll they'll go

908
00:51:16,615 --> 00:51:20,455
Speaker 5: into housing for feathered friends. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

909
00:51:20,495 --> 00:51:22,055
Speaker 5: eighty the number to call. We've got a spare line

910
00:51:22,095 --> 00:51:24,055
Speaker 5: right now, so if you've got a question, give us

911
00:51:24,095 --> 00:51:26,215
Speaker 5: a call. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

912
00:51:26,655 --> 00:51:30,175
Speaker 1: We helping you get those DIY projects done right the

913
00:51:30,415 --> 00:51:33,735
Speaker 1: resident builder with Peter Wolfcat Call. Oh, eight hundred eighty

914
00:51:33,815 --> 00:51:36,335
Speaker 1: ten eighty. You've talked zv alrighty.

915
00:51:36,415 --> 00:51:38,735
Speaker 5: If you're into DIY, and you're bound to be because

916
00:51:38,775 --> 00:51:40,655
Speaker 5: you're listening to me right now, you need to know

917
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918
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919
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920
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921
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922
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923
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924
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925
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926
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Speaker 5: thirty five colors and finish options. Once you've made your choices,

927
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928
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929
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Speaker 5: with excellent instructions, get the kitchen you want, design it

930
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Speaker 5: yourself and save thousands. That's the kind of KEII ingenuity.

931
00:52:36,815 --> 00:52:37,255
Speaker 4: I love it.

932
00:52:37,615 --> 00:52:38,015
Speaker 6: I love it.

933
00:52:38,255 --> 00:52:42,055
Speaker 5: You do it, uduit kitchens that do it for you.

934
00:52:42,375 --> 00:52:46,815
Speaker 5: You doo it dot co dot NZ news talk zby Okay,

935
00:52:46,895 --> 00:52:48,895
Speaker 5: we're into it. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

936
00:52:49,055 --> 00:52:52,095
Speaker 5: is that number to call? Quick texts or couple of texts?

937
00:52:52,095 --> 00:52:52,975
Speaker 5: Actually great texts.

938
00:52:53,575 --> 00:52:53,855
Speaker 4: Pete.

939
00:52:53,895 --> 00:52:57,895
Speaker 5: I'm renovating a quirky nineteen seventies property using a reputable

940
00:52:57,935 --> 00:53:00,695
Speaker 5: building company. We are at the planning stage. I have

941
00:53:00,775 --> 00:53:04,175
Speaker 5: an idea to replace an internal wall at the entryway

942
00:53:04,615 --> 00:53:07,855
Speaker 5: with a feature wall of these blocks to let in light.

943
00:53:08,255 --> 00:53:11,095
Speaker 5: It's about three meters long. The current wall does not

944
00:53:11,295 --> 00:53:13,975
Speaker 5: seem to be load bearing, but I have an engineer

945
00:53:14,095 --> 00:53:18,615
Speaker 5: checking it tomorrow. Does this sound doable to you? Everything's

946
00:53:18,695 --> 00:53:23,335
Speaker 5: kind of doable to some degree. I'm assuming that you're

947
00:53:23,415 --> 00:53:26,335
Speaker 5: talking about a breeze block, as in that sort of classic,

948
00:53:26,495 --> 00:53:31,135
Speaker 5: sort of nineteen seventies concrete block made in the mole

949
00:53:31,295 --> 00:53:34,935
Speaker 5: with holes through it, right, which is kind of it

950
00:53:35,095 --> 00:53:36,935
Speaker 5: was there when I was a kid, but apparently it's

951
00:53:36,975 --> 00:53:39,855
Speaker 5: become fashionable again as these things I want to do,

952
00:53:40,535 --> 00:53:43,695
Speaker 5: just like flares have come back in style apparently. But anyway,

953
00:53:45,015 --> 00:53:48,375
Speaker 5: if it's on a concrete floor and the existing wall

954
00:53:48,575 --> 00:53:52,215
Speaker 5: is not load bearing, then removing the timber framing if

955
00:53:52,255 --> 00:53:54,615
Speaker 5: you've got a concrete slab and setting something up like this,

956
00:53:54,775 --> 00:53:57,895
Speaker 5: which is it'll be heavier than the existing wall, but

957
00:53:58,095 --> 00:54:01,975
Speaker 5: not by a considerable amount. Yeah, I can't see a

958
00:54:02,015 --> 00:54:03,695
Speaker 5: reason that it won't be done. But the good thing

959
00:54:03,815 --> 00:54:06,455
Speaker 5: is that you're getting your engineer to come and have

960
00:54:06,535 --> 00:54:08,535
Speaker 5: a look at it, and they'll determine whether or not

961
00:54:08,655 --> 00:54:11,535
Speaker 5: the wall is load bearing or if it has some bracing,

962
00:54:11,935 --> 00:54:12,335
Speaker 5: and then.

963
00:54:12,255 --> 00:54:12,655
Speaker 4: I take it.

964
00:54:12,695 --> 00:54:16,375
Speaker 5: They'll also look at what that new breeze block wall

965
00:54:16,615 --> 00:54:17,255
Speaker 5: is going.

966
00:54:17,135 --> 00:54:17,695
Speaker 4: To stand on.

967
00:54:18,295 --> 00:54:20,495
Speaker 5: I think my dad did like a raised planter box

968
00:54:20,775 --> 00:54:23,175
Speaker 5: next to the driveway, and some of that was with

969
00:54:23,295 --> 00:54:27,655
Speaker 5: those breeze block thingies as well. It's kind of funny

970
00:54:27,655 --> 00:54:29,615
Speaker 5: when you see things that have come back into fashion

971
00:54:29,735 --> 00:54:32,895
Speaker 5: today that you know and the hip and modern, and

972
00:54:32,975 --> 00:54:34,975
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, we had that at home when.

973
00:54:34,815 --> 00:54:35,295
Speaker 4: I was a kid.

974
00:54:35,495 --> 00:54:40,015
Speaker 5: Anyway, showing my age right, kitchen cabinets and plywood, I

975
00:54:40,095 --> 00:54:43,135
Speaker 5: am refronting my kitchen cabinets with ply a plan to

976
00:54:43,215 --> 00:54:46,735
Speaker 5: finish with like Osmo wax or oil, and wondering if

977
00:54:46,815 --> 00:54:50,455
Speaker 5: you think of a ceramic nanocoat as an additional protection,

978
00:54:51,535 --> 00:54:55,095
Speaker 5: would that be unnecessary on cabinet fronts or good added

979
00:54:55,175 --> 00:55:00,095
Speaker 5: protection from food from andy? I'm thinking that there may

980
00:55:00,175 --> 00:55:04,575
Speaker 5: be well be compatibility issues if you've added an oil

981
00:55:04,735 --> 00:55:07,335
Speaker 5: and then you want to apply and other coating over

982
00:55:07,375 --> 00:55:11,535
Speaker 5: the top, whether that coating might not work well with

983
00:55:11,695 --> 00:55:14,775
Speaker 5: what you've put on there. So I think to be fair,

984
00:55:14,855 --> 00:55:17,215
Speaker 5: if I was doing it, I'd probably do the plywood

985
00:55:17,495 --> 00:55:20,055
Speaker 5: and then I'd simply use a polyurethane like a water

986
00:55:20,175 --> 00:55:21,215
Speaker 5: born polyurethane.

987
00:55:22,975 --> 00:55:23,615
Speaker 12: I was.

988
00:55:24,575 --> 00:55:27,415
Speaker 5: I did a bench top for myself, actually, just a

989
00:55:28,455 --> 00:55:32,375
Speaker 5: worktop in my office at home. I found some I

990
00:55:32,415 --> 00:55:35,575
Speaker 5: think it was like forty milimeter thick plywood. I bought

991
00:55:35,615 --> 00:55:38,095
Speaker 5: the sheet of plywood. It was about forty forty five

992
00:55:38,175 --> 00:55:41,855
Speaker 5: mil thick, and it came in a three point eight

993
00:55:42,135 --> 00:55:45,855
Speaker 5: meter length by twelve hundred and so I cut it

994
00:55:45,935 --> 00:55:49,215
Speaker 5: down to about seven point fifty by the length of

995
00:55:49,615 --> 00:55:52,975
Speaker 5: my office room, which is about three point seven two

996
00:55:53,175 --> 00:55:56,135
Speaker 5: oh or something like that, sanded it up nicely and

997
00:55:56,215 --> 00:56:00,335
Speaker 5: applied a coat of razine waterborne polyurethane to it, with

998
00:56:00,495 --> 00:56:02,695
Speaker 5: a little bit of white tintin it, so sort of

999
00:56:02,935 --> 00:56:03,735
Speaker 5: semi blonded it.

1000
00:56:04,055 --> 00:56:05,455
Speaker 4: Anyway. That sat as my.

1001
00:56:05,575 --> 00:56:08,095
Speaker 5: Office desk, I don't know, fifteen years or something like that.

1002
00:56:08,575 --> 00:56:13,775
Speaker 5: Remarkably durable, worked really really well, funnily enough just to

1003
00:56:13,855 --> 00:56:15,895
Speaker 5: sort of jush it up. A couple of years ago,

1004
00:56:16,215 --> 00:56:18,135
Speaker 5: I took the bench out, took it to some guys

1005
00:56:18,175 --> 00:56:21,695
Speaker 5: that I know who do laminate bench tops and asked

1006
00:56:21,735 --> 00:56:25,375
Speaker 5: them to apply just a flat four mica top to it.

1007
00:56:25,495 --> 00:56:27,855
Speaker 4: They were like, oh, it's not quite prepared.

1008
00:56:27,895 --> 00:56:29,615
Speaker 5: Well, I'm like, don't worry, I'm not coming back to

1009
00:56:29,655 --> 00:56:31,895
Speaker 5: you if there's any problems with it anyway, It's lasted

1010
00:56:31,935 --> 00:56:34,135
Speaker 5: quite well so for mica bench now and a light

1011
00:56:34,295 --> 00:56:38,735
Speaker 5: gray in the office as it happens. Um we've done

1012
00:56:38,735 --> 00:56:43,215
Speaker 5: the overhang, We've done the kitchen cabinets. Blocks are called

1013
00:56:43,455 --> 00:56:46,695
Speaker 5: soulless screen first makes them in five different types. Thank

1014
00:56:46,735 --> 00:56:50,375
Speaker 5: you very much. I'll have a look at for that now, Pete.

1015
00:56:50,455 --> 00:56:54,575
Speaker 5: What makes your ruru box? How specifically attractive to the ruru?

1016
00:56:54,855 --> 00:56:57,575
Speaker 5: Wouldn't any old bird claim it? I'm thrilled not to

1017
00:56:57,655 --> 00:56:59,975
Speaker 5: do the hard yard collecting the twigs and squat there

1018
00:57:00,655 --> 00:57:03,295
Speaker 5: hopefully a two, but it could be sparrows or an albatross.

1019
00:57:03,655 --> 00:57:05,495
Speaker 5: I don't know that an albatross is going to fit

1020
00:57:05,615 --> 00:57:07,815
Speaker 5: through the hole. The hole has to be a very

1021
00:57:07,855 --> 00:57:09,655
Speaker 5: specific size, and I have to go back to look

1022
00:57:09,695 --> 00:57:15,855
Speaker 5: at the plans. I think there's something about it where

1023
00:57:16,175 --> 00:57:19,935
Speaker 5: you offset the entrances. So some birds like to be

1024
00:57:20,015 --> 00:57:23,415
Speaker 5: able to look out, apparently, and other birds like ruru

1025
00:57:23,695 --> 00:57:26,135
Speaker 5: like to be able to go in and then nest

1026
00:57:26,655 --> 00:57:29,815
Speaker 5: in a darkened area. And I've got two sort of

1027
00:57:29,895 --> 00:57:33,535
Speaker 5: offset entries. So I've built two different types of Ruu boxes.

1028
00:57:33,575 --> 00:57:36,295
Speaker 5: By the way, one had like an elevated platform where

1029
00:57:36,575 --> 00:57:39,935
Speaker 5: Ruru enters, hops along, does a little dog leg and

1030
00:57:40,055 --> 00:57:43,975
Speaker 5: hops down into the roosting area. The other one simply

1031
00:57:44,255 --> 00:57:48,535
Speaker 5: is longer and deeper and has one entry hole on

1032
00:57:48,655 --> 00:57:51,095
Speaker 5: one side of the box and then an offset one

1033
00:57:51,495 --> 00:57:53,935
Speaker 5: at the other side, so there's no direct light. And

1034
00:57:54,055 --> 00:57:57,095
Speaker 5: apparently that's what's attractive to ruru. Apparently they also like

1035
00:57:57,255 --> 00:58:01,215
Speaker 5: roosting in remoo trees. And they're back, and they're back

1036
00:58:01,255 --> 00:58:04,975
Speaker 5: in suburban areas, which I am incredibly excited about. Right

1037
00:58:04,975 --> 00:58:06,175
Speaker 5: he Oh, Richard, good morning to you.

1038
00:58:07,455 --> 00:58:08,095
Speaker 13: Yeah, good morning.

1039
00:58:08,135 --> 00:58:08,775
Speaker 4: How are you greasing?

1040
00:58:09,015 --> 00:58:09,335
Speaker 8: Very well?

1041
00:58:09,815 --> 00:58:11,015
Speaker 13: Hey, I've just been.

1042
00:58:11,175 --> 00:58:12,415
Speaker 4: Following very quiet.

1043
00:58:13,695 --> 00:58:15,855
Speaker 5: Sorry, just to hold on the second, Richard. That's he

1044
00:58:15,975 --> 00:58:19,815
Speaker 5: sounds really really quiet, is it okay? Go ahead, Richard.

1045
00:58:21,215 --> 00:58:24,575
Speaker 13: I've just been following last week about the and you

1046
00:58:24,735 --> 00:58:28,775
Speaker 13: just mentioned it again about replacing a deplomatic roof with

1047
00:58:28,895 --> 00:58:31,175
Speaker 13: a long run roof, and you're saying about a permit.

1048
00:58:31,415 --> 00:58:31,615
Speaker 4: Yep.

1049
00:58:31,855 --> 00:58:36,975
Speaker 13: Well, I'm on schedule one now, and the way I

1050
00:58:37,095 --> 00:58:40,855
Speaker 13: read it, you don't need a permit, okay. In one

1051
00:58:40,935 --> 00:58:44,655
Speaker 13: item that says replacing with a twenty you know, a

1052
00:58:44,735 --> 00:58:48,575
Speaker 13: metal profile roof with it like the like. But an

1053
00:58:48,655 --> 00:58:51,495
Speaker 13: item fifteen it says when you replace an old.

1054
00:58:51,415 --> 00:58:54,735
Speaker 6: K tile root with a metal profile roof, it says

1055
00:58:54,815 --> 00:58:57,735
Speaker 6: that's exempt too, So you'd be putting battons down for that.

1056
00:58:58,055 --> 00:58:58,735
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.

1057
00:59:01,135 --> 00:59:04,375
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was looking at some guidance, some MBI guidance

1058
00:59:04,495 --> 00:59:09,215
Speaker 5: that was talking about the structural element of it, and

1059
00:59:09,375 --> 00:59:13,055
Speaker 5: that because the perlins would need to be fixed down,

1060
00:59:13,375 --> 00:59:17,575
Speaker 5: and there's a specific requirement around the holding capacity of

1061
00:59:17,815 --> 00:59:20,975
Speaker 5: that which makes it structural work. And typically as soon

1062
00:59:21,015 --> 00:59:23,455
Speaker 5: as you do structural work, it triggers the requirement for

1063
00:59:23,535 --> 00:59:26,335
Speaker 5: a building consent. But which chapter and verse are you

1064
00:59:26,455 --> 00:59:27,415
Speaker 5: reading of Schedule one?

1065
00:59:29,615 --> 00:59:30,135
Speaker 9: This is.

1066
00:59:32,575 --> 00:59:34,215
Speaker 6: Let's just going back.

1067
00:59:36,495 --> 00:59:42,815
Speaker 13: General alterations maintenance remover one point one, okay, And it

1068
00:59:42,975 --> 00:59:46,255
Speaker 13: says not since the scope of the work involves repacing

1069
00:59:46,295 --> 00:59:49,415
Speaker 13: a heavyweight roof for the lightweight room, issues such as

1070
00:59:49,935 --> 00:59:53,575
Speaker 13: higher wind and all that coupleert forces must be considered.

1071
00:59:54,575 --> 00:59:58,015
Speaker 13: The owner could elect to use NZS three six two

1072
00:59:58,295 --> 01:00:02,255
Speaker 13: one one to show compliance with the Building Code. As

1073
01:00:02,295 --> 01:00:04,095
Speaker 13: the scope of this work is not considered to be

1074
01:00:04,175 --> 01:00:08,055
Speaker 13: complete a substantial repace one of the components or assembly

1075
01:00:08,175 --> 01:00:11,135
Speaker 13: that contributes to the building structure behavior the building work

1076
01:00:11,215 --> 01:00:16,175
Speaker 13: falls within the scope of this exemption. That's on page

1077
01:00:16,295 --> 01:00:22,975
Speaker 13: nineteen of of Building Performance Building Work that does not

1078
01:00:23,135 --> 01:00:24,255
Speaker 13: require a build consent.

1079
01:00:24,455 --> 01:00:26,815
Speaker 4: Ye, and I've got it here as well, and.

1080
01:00:27,015 --> 01:00:29,615
Speaker 6: Version two July twenty twenty five, so that was on

1081
01:00:29,735 --> 01:00:31,615
Speaker 6: page eighteen nineteen.

1082
01:00:31,975 --> 01:00:34,055
Speaker 5: I'll have to scroll down and find that. But look,

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Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm happy to go. Hey, look, if

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Speaker 5: there's specific guidance that suggests that the work can be done,

1085
01:00:42,735 --> 01:00:44,375
Speaker 5: does it require any.

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Speaker 4: Sort of proof.

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Speaker 5: Let's say that the like, should that work then be

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Speaker 5: done by a licensed building practitioner, and would that license

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01:00:51,375 --> 01:00:57,375
Speaker 5: building practitioner then offer a record of works or a

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Speaker 5: statement of some description.

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Speaker 13: It doesn't actually mention that anywhere, but yeah, yeah, I

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01:01:06,175 --> 01:01:08,735
Speaker 13: just so my son's doing it. He's got them coming

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Speaker 13: in a few weeks.

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01:01:09,535 --> 01:01:11,295
Speaker 4: Yeah good, okay.

1095
01:01:11,495 --> 01:01:15,135
Speaker 13: So and well he understood what it didn't so I'll

1096
01:01:15,215 --> 01:01:20,015
Speaker 13: schedule one and checked and yeah, sure enough, that's great.

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01:01:20,135 --> 01:01:22,255
Speaker 4: Look, I'm really happy to go with that. It was

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Speaker 4: just it was funny because I.

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Speaker 5: I rang a guy that I know is a building

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01:01:27,615 --> 01:01:31,055
Speaker 5: inspect on Friday and I said, look, this is the situation.

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01:01:31,295 --> 01:01:32,895
Speaker 5: He was like, oh, look, to be fair, I'd have

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01:01:32,935 --> 01:01:35,415
Speaker 5: to go back and look at schedule one, which is understandable.

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01:01:35,735 --> 01:01:38,055
Speaker 5: And then when we described it and talked about the

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01:01:38,215 --> 01:01:41,815
Speaker 5: structural work, then it was like, oh, okay, well, if

1105
01:01:41,855 --> 01:01:45,055
Speaker 5: we're talking structure of prevention of uplift, you can see

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01:01:45,175 --> 01:01:49,175
Speaker 5: how a building consent might be required. But hey, look

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01:01:49,815 --> 01:01:52,415
Speaker 5: I'll find a bit more detail on that. So just again,

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01:01:52,535 --> 01:01:54,775
Speaker 5: and this be good for other people. So what you've

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01:01:54,855 --> 01:01:57,175
Speaker 5: found is you've gone to schedule one of the act

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01:01:57,815 --> 01:02:01,415
Speaker 5: and then are you reading from the building performance website,

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01:02:01,455 --> 01:02:05,215
Speaker 5: which is building dot gov dot MZ projects and Consents

1112
01:02:06,095 --> 01:02:09,215
Speaker 5: and then one point one general Repairs and Maintenance.

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01:02:10,735 --> 01:02:12,415
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's on page.

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01:02:13,735 --> 01:02:18,615
Speaker 4: Nineteen radio. I'll keep scrolling down and that.

1115
01:02:18,735 --> 01:02:22,295
Speaker 13: Says what is exempt and that then that mentions about

1116
01:02:22,335 --> 01:02:25,615
Speaker 13: the k tile roof repacing that with a metal profile roof.

1117
01:02:25,975 --> 01:02:28,255
Speaker 13: And I asked you you've got to fix new batons

1118
01:02:28,295 --> 01:02:28,735
Speaker 13: down for that.

1119
01:02:29,295 --> 01:02:30,815
Speaker 4: Yes, so you will to your dad.

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Speaker 6: So the picturing if that's okay. The we're pacing lightweight

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01:02:36,335 --> 01:02:37,815
Speaker 6: root for lightweight must be okay too.

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01:02:38,215 --> 01:02:44,175
Speaker 5: Yep, perfect, appreciate the call. Okay, fantastic all of your bestie.

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01:02:44,215 --> 01:02:45,335
Speaker 5: Thanks very much for that, Richard.

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01:02:45,775 --> 01:02:50,295
Speaker 4: That's awesome. Take care and someone sticks through.

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Speaker 8: Where are we? Where are we?

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01:02:55,375 --> 01:02:58,495
Speaker 5: Lucky little Ruru sounds like a bloody flash split level

1127
01:02:58,575 --> 01:03:00,335
Speaker 5: nineteen sixteen seventies house.

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Speaker 4: Cool.

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01:03:01,935 --> 01:03:04,455
Speaker 5: Yes, one of the boxes that I made was had

1130
01:03:04,455 --> 01:03:06,895
Speaker 5: a little split level feature. The other just has these

1131
01:03:06,975 --> 01:03:10,775
Speaker 5: offset entries that go in as well. I'll get a

1132
01:03:10,775 --> 01:03:13,135
Speaker 5: little bit more detailed, Paul. You've got something to say

1133
01:03:13,135 --> 01:03:14,895
Speaker 5: about the corrigate dine as well.

1134
01:03:18,095 --> 01:03:24,015
Speaker 9: Yeah, listen, I've got a nineteen tenth house. It was

1135
01:03:24,055 --> 01:03:28,735
Speaker 9: built in about nineteen ten and the one wall is

1136
01:03:30,015 --> 01:03:33,775
Speaker 9: toature weatherboard and I've been at it for about ten

1137
01:03:33,895 --> 01:03:36,055
Speaker 9: years trying to fix this. Now I've been paneting it

1138
01:03:36,215 --> 01:03:39,935
Speaker 9: and filling it and it's cracked again, and you know,

1139
01:03:40,015 --> 01:03:44,895
Speaker 9: it's just really quite horrible looking. Can I Can I

1140
01:03:45,055 --> 01:03:49,015
Speaker 9: fix like a low profile corrugated iron straight over the

1141
01:03:49,055 --> 01:03:53,175
Speaker 9: top of that? Like, I haven't seen that around the neighborhood.

1142
01:03:53,255 --> 01:03:57,215
Speaker 9: Some some old America homes have got a one wall

1143
01:03:57,295 --> 01:03:58,735
Speaker 9: with just a corrugated iron on it.

1144
01:03:58,935 --> 01:03:59,615
Speaker 8: Can I do that?

1145
01:04:00,055 --> 01:04:03,855
Speaker 6: Or do I have to have a permit for it?

1146
01:04:04,095 --> 01:04:06,095
Speaker 9: Or can I butt it up to the window.

1147
01:04:06,495 --> 01:04:08,935
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, Well have to take the window

1148
01:04:09,055 --> 01:04:10,775
Speaker 4: out or well, essentially what.

1149
01:04:10,855 --> 01:04:13,855
Speaker 5: You're doing is applying a she thing over the top

1150
01:04:13,935 --> 01:04:18,135
Speaker 5: of your existing weatherboards. Right, So in that sense, yes,

1151
01:04:18,255 --> 01:04:21,255
Speaker 5: you could. The primary concern that I would have is

1152
01:04:21,335 --> 01:04:24,335
Speaker 5: that if you're fixing the metal to the timber, you

1153
01:04:24,495 --> 01:04:27,535
Speaker 5: will get some condensation that builds up behind the metal,

1154
01:04:28,015 --> 01:04:31,255
Speaker 5: and then that won't because it's trapped behind the metal,

1155
01:04:31,375 --> 01:04:33,815
Speaker 5: it won't be able to ventilate, and you might actually

1156
01:04:34,015 --> 01:04:36,935
Speaker 5: accelerate decay of the weatherboards.

1157
01:04:38,615 --> 01:04:39,095
Speaker 4: Long term.

1158
01:04:39,175 --> 01:04:41,335
Speaker 11: So you can't put building paper behind them, and.

1159
01:04:42,095 --> 01:04:46,255
Speaker 5: Well, that would help, but you're still having it almost

1160
01:04:46,415 --> 01:04:50,295
Speaker 5: direct fixed, right, So you're you're you're trapping moisture between

1161
01:04:50,335 --> 01:04:53,375
Speaker 5: those two surfaces, and if there's not an opportunity for

1162
01:04:53,495 --> 01:04:56,735
Speaker 5: that to either drain or ventilate and dry out, then

1163
01:04:57,295 --> 01:05:00,415
Speaker 5: you know there's an unintended consequence. And I've seen it

1164
01:05:00,455 --> 01:05:05,135
Speaker 5: a little bit where again nineteen seventy sort of traveling

1165
01:05:05,215 --> 01:05:07,415
Speaker 5: salesmen would knock on the door of an old villa

1166
01:05:07,775 --> 01:05:10,455
Speaker 5: and go, you know those weatherboards you have to keep painting. Well,

1167
01:05:10,495 --> 01:05:14,135
Speaker 5: I've got this fake brick sheeting that we can nail

1168
01:05:14,175 --> 01:05:17,495
Speaker 5: over the whole thing, and you know you'll never have

1169
01:05:17,615 --> 01:05:19,895
Speaker 5: to paint it again. You'll never spend a day outside

1170
01:05:19,935 --> 01:05:22,455
Speaker 5: sanding again. And so they whack this stuff on and

1171
01:05:22,575 --> 01:05:25,375
Speaker 5: in some cases I've seen it come off and the

1172
01:05:25,455 --> 01:05:29,175
Speaker 5: weatherboards have been preserved interestingly enough, lots of nail holes

1173
01:05:29,215 --> 01:05:32,335
Speaker 5: in them, but generally preserved. And in other situations i've

1174
01:05:32,335 --> 01:05:35,655
Speaker 5: seen it where it's trapped moisture and accelerated the decay.

1175
01:05:36,215 --> 01:05:39,775
Speaker 5: So I think i'd have just curious about the Typically

1176
01:05:39,855 --> 01:05:42,815
Speaker 5: with Totra, what we do is once we've sanded it

1177
01:05:42,975 --> 01:05:47,415
Speaker 5: back is use a water based primer rather than an

1178
01:05:47,455 --> 01:05:49,655
Speaker 5: oil base. Most of the time i'd go oil based

1179
01:05:49,695 --> 01:05:52,735
Speaker 5: on exterior weatherboards is a first coat. In this instance,

1180
01:05:52,855 --> 01:05:55,015
Speaker 5: if you use a water based one, you'll get a

1181
01:05:55,055 --> 01:05:55,615
Speaker 5: better finish.

1182
01:05:57,055 --> 01:06:03,095
Speaker 9: I've done that, Pete, and I've selled it. I've like,

1183
01:06:03,215 --> 01:06:05,575
Speaker 9: you know, flushed it with a bit of builder's bog

1184
01:06:05,615 --> 01:06:09,295
Speaker 9: and everything. And it's just that it's it's so old

1185
01:06:09,375 --> 01:06:11,695
Speaker 9: now and it's a north facing the water, it's got

1186
01:06:11,775 --> 01:06:15,535
Speaker 9: sun on it all day. Just after a few weeks,

1187
01:06:16,095 --> 01:06:19,575
Speaker 9: after a few months of just they just start cracking

1188
01:06:19,615 --> 01:06:23,655
Speaker 9: again with the movement of the house. And I'm continuously

1189
01:06:23,735 --> 01:06:24,015
Speaker 9: at it.

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01:06:24,255 --> 01:06:28,655
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can imagine, but but you know, I suppose.

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01:06:28,335 --> 01:06:29,295
Speaker 11: I just keep edit, mate.

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01:06:29,415 --> 01:06:31,295
Speaker 9: I mean, I don't want to go fixing some of

1193
01:06:31,495 --> 01:06:33,055
Speaker 9: the wall that's going to cause a problem.

1194
01:06:33,135 --> 01:06:35,255
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'd just been a little bit concerned about

1195
01:06:35,295 --> 01:06:38,815
Speaker 5: the possibility that you'll end up with moisture being trapped

1196
01:06:38,855 --> 01:06:41,975
Speaker 5: there and and I don't want that. Yeah, that would

1197
01:06:41,975 --> 01:06:44,415
Speaker 5: be my main concern. I think if maybe go and

1198
01:06:44,455 --> 01:06:47,335
Speaker 5: talk to the painting guys and see whether there's another solution.

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Speaker 9: But I think the lumbersider on that, yeah, you know,

1200
01:06:52,335 --> 01:06:55,215
Speaker 9: like I've always used like you know, like you know,

1201
01:06:55,335 --> 01:07:01,135
Speaker 9: the quick Prime and lumbersider. It's just such an old house, yeah,

1202
01:07:01,215 --> 01:07:04,975
Speaker 9: and it's sitting on wooden piles, and even in the wind,

1203
01:07:05,735 --> 01:07:08,415
Speaker 9: you know, the house moves and it's just you know,

1204
01:07:09,295 --> 01:07:11,575
Speaker 9: things open up and that. So I'll probably just have

1205
01:07:11,655 --> 01:07:12,175
Speaker 9: to keep that up.

1206
01:07:12,215 --> 01:07:16,775
Speaker 5: Peter, and good luck, buddy, perseverances everything all right, Paul,

1207
01:07:17,135 --> 01:07:18,975
Speaker 5: thank you very much for your comments. It is seven

1208
01:07:19,055 --> 01:07:26,575
Speaker 5: thirty five here at New SORTSFB from Stuart. Plumbers do

1209
01:07:26,735 --> 01:07:31,375
Speaker 5: roofs and they aren't lbps. Yeah, but most of the

1210
01:07:31,455 --> 01:07:34,655
Speaker 5: time roofing contractors that I've used for the last ten years.

1211
01:07:35,335 --> 01:07:38,655
Speaker 5: Because there is a license within the License Building Practitioner

1212
01:07:38,775 --> 01:07:43,055
Speaker 5: Scheme for roofing specifically, it's also one of those tasks

1213
01:07:43,175 --> 01:07:47,255
Speaker 5: that an LBP who has a carpentry license can actually

1214
01:07:47,375 --> 01:07:52,495
Speaker 5: supervise and sign off roofing work as well. Or you've

1215
01:07:52,495 --> 01:07:55,695
Speaker 5: got an LBP who has a roofing license and they

1216
01:07:55,775 --> 01:07:58,375
Speaker 5: can do the work. That's an interesting one though. If

1217
01:07:58,495 --> 01:08:01,735
Speaker 5: you are a plumber and not necessarily a license building practitioner,

1218
01:08:01,775 --> 01:08:04,295
Speaker 5: and I'm not suggesting you need to be, how does

1219
01:08:04,335 --> 01:08:07,015
Speaker 5: it go in terms of signing off roofs. Everyone that

1220
01:08:07,095 --> 01:08:09,335
Speaker 5: I know who I get to do roofing is an

1221
01:08:09,535 --> 01:08:15,575
Speaker 5: LBP with that you know, specific license in roofing as

1222
01:08:15,615 --> 01:08:18,175
Speaker 5: opposed to plumbers. Not a lot of plumbers. I know

1223
01:08:18,335 --> 01:08:21,895
Speaker 5: all plumbers typically are taught roofing, but not that many

1224
01:08:21,935 --> 01:08:23,695
Speaker 5: plumbers go on to do it. And I suppose if

1225
01:08:23,735 --> 01:08:25,775
Speaker 5: they did, they would then become they would get an

1226
01:08:25,895 --> 01:08:28,215
Speaker 5: LBP license for roofing. That would be the way around it.

1227
01:08:28,735 --> 01:08:31,535
Speaker 5: PETE self certifying what happens when there's a serious problem

1228
01:08:31,615 --> 01:08:33,815
Speaker 5: found with the work and the person who did the

1229
01:08:33,855 --> 01:08:37,215
Speaker 5: work is now overseas and can't be contacted, who now

1230
01:08:37,415 --> 01:08:39,415
Speaker 5: is responsible for that poor workmanship?

1231
01:08:39,575 --> 01:08:39,855
Speaker 6: Very much?

1232
01:08:39,935 --> 01:08:41,415
Speaker 4: Enjoy the show, Thanks very much.

1233
01:08:42,055 --> 01:08:44,655
Speaker 5: This is a genuine question that's been asked by a

1234
01:08:44,695 --> 01:08:47,055
Speaker 5: lot of people, as the government indicates that they want

1235
01:08:47,095 --> 01:08:52,775
Speaker 5: to move towards self certifying. Is what happens if somebody does,

1236
01:08:52,895 --> 01:08:56,135
Speaker 5: as you pointed out, do some poor quality work and

1237
01:08:56,335 --> 01:08:59,255
Speaker 5: then rather than stick around take responsibility for it, they

1238
01:08:59,375 --> 01:09:03,895
Speaker 5: upsticks and go. You know, which I think is where

1239
01:09:04,095 --> 01:09:07,855
Speaker 5: insurance is going to. That seems to be the only

1240
01:09:07,895 --> 01:09:11,695
Speaker 5: way to plug that gap. Is that essentially you'll need

1241
01:09:11,735 --> 01:09:15,055
Speaker 5: to get building insurance for every single building project. Every

1242
01:09:15,135 --> 01:09:18,695
Speaker 5: single contractor will need to be insured. But they currently

1243
01:09:18,775 --> 01:09:22,255
Speaker 5: there's no requirement to do that, and so every project

1244
01:09:22,295 --> 01:09:25,335
Speaker 5: gets insured. But again, you talk to the sector and

1245
01:09:25,575 --> 01:09:29,095
Speaker 5: there's to the best of my knowledge, one company that

1246
01:09:29,215 --> 01:09:33,135
Speaker 5: will offer that type of insurance, and good on them.

1247
01:09:33,375 --> 01:09:36,655
Speaker 4: They're picky about it. So there you go, right, plenty

1248
01:09:36,735 --> 01:09:37,215
Speaker 4: to talk about.

1249
01:09:37,415 --> 01:09:40,135
Speaker 5: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1250
01:09:40,215 --> 01:09:42,975
Speaker 5: It is seven thirty seven. Here in news talksp will

1251
01:09:42,975 --> 01:09:46,135
Speaker 5: take quick text comment from you, buddy, how are you.

1252
01:09:47,655 --> 01:09:52,335
Speaker 14: Terrific? Good mate? An interest in quirk with dechromastic roofs.

1253
01:09:52,375 --> 01:09:55,015
Speaker 14: So I've just redone one. If you're thinking of doing

1254
01:09:55,095 --> 01:10:00,975
Speaker 14: it yourself, better be aware the early dechromastic roofs contain asbestos.

1255
01:10:00,535 --> 01:10:04,055
Speaker 5: Can contain ashestis You're right, yep, So once you.

1256
01:10:04,095 --> 01:10:07,295
Speaker 14: Get the roof off, you've got a waste disposal problem.

1257
01:10:08,535 --> 01:10:12,015
Speaker 14: You better allow some hundred hundreds of dollars to either

1258
01:10:12,135 --> 01:10:17,215
Speaker 14: get an asbesta's test certificate, but it will almost certainly

1259
01:10:17,335 --> 01:10:23,735
Speaker 14: show asbestos or you're in for in the early thousands

1260
01:10:23,815 --> 01:10:28,255
Speaker 14: of dollars about one and a half thousand. To have

1261
01:10:28,415 --> 01:10:32,615
Speaker 14: the material specifically disposed of. It has to be double

1262
01:10:32,695 --> 01:10:37,735
Speaker 14: wrapped yep with two fifty micron plastic film and sealed

1263
01:10:38,215 --> 01:10:40,415
Speaker 14: and then taken to a waste disposal sight.

1264
01:10:41,775 --> 01:10:44,455
Speaker 5: And also I just want to point out too that

1265
01:10:45,255 --> 01:10:49,375
Speaker 5: while technically as a homeowner you can remove up to

1266
01:10:49,575 --> 01:10:53,575
Speaker 5: the equivalent of ten square meters of material that might

1267
01:10:53,655 --> 01:10:57,495
Speaker 5: be ACM so asbestos containing material, if it's beyond ten

1268
01:10:57,575 --> 01:11:00,255
Speaker 5: square meters, and that would be almost every single roof

1269
01:11:01,215 --> 01:11:03,535
Speaker 5: that needs to be done by a licensed contractor. So

1270
01:11:03,655 --> 01:11:07,095
Speaker 5: as a homeowner, you can't actually do that work yourself.

1271
01:11:08,655 --> 01:11:10,535
Speaker 14: Makes an interest in quirckt.

1272
01:11:13,295 --> 01:11:16,895
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, no, And I think it's really important.

1273
01:11:16,935 --> 01:11:20,455
Speaker 5: And I know Worksay first issued that guidance probably about

1274
01:11:20,495 --> 01:11:24,055
Speaker 5: seven or eight years ago. You know, SPECIs just seems

1275
01:11:24,055 --> 01:11:26,295
Speaker 5: to be one of those things that you know, and look,

1276
01:11:26,335 --> 01:11:28,855
Speaker 5: I've been in this game for a long time, right,

1277
01:11:29,255 --> 01:11:32,295
Speaker 5: And I was reading some stuff recently where you know,

1278
01:11:32,415 --> 01:11:36,175
Speaker 5: there are ACM materials that were still being brought into

1279
01:11:36,255 --> 01:11:40,095
Speaker 5: the country in the early two thousands, which genuinely surprised me.

1280
01:11:40,295 --> 01:11:43,695
Speaker 5: And then actually, if you followed the news recently, there

1281
01:11:43,735 --> 01:11:47,055
Speaker 5: has been an incident where there is some ACM material

1282
01:11:47,215 --> 01:11:50,415
Speaker 5: that's been included in fire doors which have been installed

1283
01:11:50,455 --> 01:11:54,375
Speaker 5: in the new Takaha Stadium in christ Church, right, So

1284
01:11:54,615 --> 01:11:58,575
Speaker 5: unbeknownst to that, Yeah, so this is a product that's

1285
01:11:58,615 --> 01:12:03,215
Speaker 5: been imported from overseas somewhere along the line. You know,

1286
01:12:03,895 --> 01:12:08,535
Speaker 5: I can only assume that a third party was involved

1287
01:12:08,575 --> 01:12:12,255
Speaker 5: in the manufacture of that product. It seems like they

1288
01:12:12,375 --> 01:12:16,335
Speaker 5: have included some asbestos in the manufacturing process. It arrives here,

1289
01:12:16,415 --> 01:12:19,735
Speaker 5: it gets added into the fire doors, and then you know,

1290
01:12:19,895 --> 01:12:23,255
Speaker 5: potentially some people have been exposed. I'm saying potentially. There's

1291
01:12:23,295 --> 01:12:27,335
Speaker 5: no evidence of that at the stage, but it's you know,

1292
01:12:27,695 --> 01:12:30,375
Speaker 5: it's still out there, which is kind of a little

1293
01:12:30,415 --> 01:12:34,775
Speaker 5: bit scary to be fair. Appreciate your comment and thanks

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Speaker 5: very much for pointing that out.

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Speaker 4: You're absolutely right. Nice to talk to you, buddy. Okay,

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Speaker 4: take care.

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Speaker 5: Then we're going to take short break. We'll be back

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Speaker 5: in just a moment. If you've got a question, call

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Speaker 5: us now. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten.

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Speaker 1: Eighty measure twice, God was, but maybe call Pete first

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Speaker 1: for your walcab the resident builder.

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Speaker 4: News Talk said, be right.

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Speaker 5: He seven forty four here at news Talk said be

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Speaker 5: Mike Olds from Razine Construction with us this morning. A

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Speaker 5: very good morning to you, Mike.

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Speaker 4: Good morning greetings.

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Speaker 5: So the other day I was looking, might have been

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Speaker 5: through a magazine that sort of thing, at a wall

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Speaker 5: finish that didn't look like I guess what we typically see,

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Speaker 5: which is some plaster board, some paint, and that's lovely,

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Speaker 5: but that's not the only way to finish a wall.

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Speaker 5: And I was thinking, hmm, what's this? What do you

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Speaker 5: recogonize looking at?

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Speaker 11: You could have been looking at one of the artisan

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Speaker 11: plaster finishes. So these are like a natural with an

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Speaker 11: artisan plaster finish, it's reasonable, it's reasonably easy to actually

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Speaker 11: identify it because you have this very soft beteena of

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Speaker 11: color and you get that because of the trial application

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Speaker 11: of the plaster is skill to create the finish, so

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Speaker 11: you get these effects across the wall that are very

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Speaker 11: very subtle and very bespoke to every project in every

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Speaker 11: plaster that's applied the products, but also they're also precolored,

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Speaker 11: so they're also colored through the entire products, so that

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Speaker 11: if the next or things are less noticeable than if

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Speaker 11: it was a mineral type plaster. So if you did

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Speaker 11: a natural gray sands and meant plaster finish, yes, and

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Speaker 11: you sort of paint coating at the top of it,

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Speaker 11: if you knock it, then you can it's identifiable because

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Speaker 11: you've got the gray underneath a foot plaster.

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Speaker 4: Fantastic.

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Speaker 11: But with that said, we also have high performance acrylic

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Speaker 11: coatings for the exterior as well, and if they can

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Speaker 11: be colored, so acrylic plasters for exterior use can be

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Speaker 11: precolored so that if you do have necks and things,

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Speaker 11: they're less noticeable if they get marked in the future.

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Speaker 5: And in terms of the interiors, are you starting to

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Speaker 5: see them sort of applied throughout the house of people

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Speaker 5: using it, like for a feature wall or something like that.

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Speaker 11: While they started like many years ago with doing feature walls,

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Speaker 11: they've actually grown to be like you say, entire residences.

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Speaker 11: They're taking entire rooms or entire sections of the house

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Speaker 11: for these types of finishes because they they tell a

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Speaker 11: story and beautiful finish that you just don't see everywhere.

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Speaker 11: So clients get their friends come over and they have

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Speaker 11: a look at Peace and they just go, Wow, they're

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Speaker 11: impressive finishes that just set your residence or these clients

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Speaker 11: residence as apart from others.

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Speaker 5: And I think story, it's just that nice thing about

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Speaker 5: having some choice, right, you know, we've got all sorts

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Speaker 5: of options for interior finishes, but to introduce something that,

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Speaker 5: like you say, it's like the handprint not literally, but

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01:15:37,455 --> 01:15:39,335
Speaker 5: the handprint of the maker is still in it, right.

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Speaker 5: It's the skill of the crafts person doing the work,

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Speaker 5: the application, and there's there's kind of like a heritage

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Speaker 5: to these finishes, which we I think people really embrace.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think the styles and everything's

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Speaker 11: going a little bit textual as well these days. You know,

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Speaker 11: they're looking and they've got some soft curves are coming

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Speaker 11: back in and not only the interior, with the exterior

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Speaker 11: and people just spending a bit of money. They want

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Speaker 11: to have something that they won't be able to see

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Speaker 11: at someone else south. You know, they want to have

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Speaker 11: their own story to tell about how they came up

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Speaker 11: with fair project. Fantastically really cool way to change and

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Speaker 11: an uplift interior spasis.

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Speaker 5: Now, if people want to find out more, whether they

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Speaker 5: go Mike.

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Speaker 11: Check us on our website Razine Construction dot co dot

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Speaker 11: mz or hoping our Instagram page that's a really beautiful

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Speaker 11: interiors and plaster finish it there. So Razine Construction on

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Speaker 11: Instagram and also on our Facebook page some information about

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Speaker 11: where you can find us.

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Speaker 5: Actually the Insta stuff is great, I have to say,

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Speaker 5: just there's some real inspiration there right, much appreciated as

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Speaker 5: always great to talk with you take care, Mike, all

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Speaker 5: the best, so check it out online. Actually it's fantastic

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Speaker 5: you follow Razine Construction on Instagram. There is there's some

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Speaker 5: really inspirational stuff there. Oh, eight one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 5: ten eighty is the number to call it a seven

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Speaker 5: forty eight. We're going to talk to Rachel in a

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Speaker 5: moment back after the break.

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Speaker 1: Doing on the house extorting the garden us pete for

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Speaker 1: a hand the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap call eight

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Speaker 1: hundred us TOGSB a couple of quick texts.

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Speaker 5: On the asbestos as well, so fifteen hundred bucks that

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Speaker 5: will be a beat cheap disposal of a whole lacem roof.

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Speaker 5: I think you're absolutely right. I think the cost disposal

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Speaker 5: would be considerably more than that.

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Speaker 4: Pete.

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Speaker 5: The ten square meter applies to builders or PCBU only,

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Speaker 5: not to homeowners. I'm pretty sure that it's anyone. So

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Speaker 5: a homeowner is allowed to do and I'm almost reluctant

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Speaker 5: to sort of say this, but the reality is, from

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Speaker 5: my understanding, is that you know, if let's say you've

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Speaker 5: got a small section of an old super six fence

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Speaker 5: and it's less than ten square meters and it's your

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Speaker 5: property and you're the homeowner, technically you can do that,

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Speaker 5: but you still have to do it in accordance with

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Speaker 5: the best practice. So that's the double wrapping. It's the

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Speaker 5: prevention of the material becoming friable, and then you need

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Speaker 5: to send it to and approved disposal site, either to

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Speaker 5: a third party or to the site itself. But anything

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Speaker 5: more than ten square meters you then have to have

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Speaker 5: that done by a licensed asbestos removal contractor, who then

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Speaker 5: has to comply with all of the regulations around that.

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Speaker 5: So I'm going to stick to the ten square meters

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01:18:25,935 --> 01:18:29,215
Speaker 5: and we'll see what happens after that. And look it does.

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Speaker 5: I know of one project. Gosh, it's probably seven or

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Speaker 5: eight years ago. They had an older villa, so probably

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Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty square meters floor plan, roof that

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Speaker 5: was Corrigidan, then overlaid with some type of not necessarily

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Speaker 5: dechromastic because there's a couple of other brands, but a

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Speaker 5: press metal tile with the stone chip embedded in it.

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Speaker 5: They had it tested, it was found to contain asbestos.

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Speaker 5: That then triggered a requirement for a specialist contractor to

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Speaker 5: remove it. And I think it might have been like

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Speaker 5: a fifteen sixteen thousand dollars exercise all up thankfully done safely,

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Speaker 5: but still can be very very expensive. Seven fifty three

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Speaker 5: Here in News to talk zebby Rachel Good morning, morning,

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Speaker 5: good morning.

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Speaker 15: Indeed, we have a weather board house with external with

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Speaker 15: the board balcony and the top rail is wood as well.

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Speaker 15: Where the miter joins because it's very exposed. It's Doney's roost,

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Speaker 15: which where the miter is at every couple of years

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Speaker 15: it gradually comes apart. And I was just wondering if

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Speaker 15: there's a product that we can move to fill that gap.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, chances are it's I mean, if you

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Speaker 5: use a flexible sealant. So if you use like a

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Speaker 5: pseudal or a gorilla sealant or fix all or something

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01:19:54,815 --> 01:19:58,855
Speaker 5: like that that has an adhesive and a sealant property,

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01:19:59,055 --> 01:20:01,775
Speaker 5: so it will flex a little bit to expand and contract.

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Speaker 5: Because what you've got is that that movement in the miter.

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Speaker 5: I tell you what I did, and this was in

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Speaker 5: the last couple of months, is similar situation, a sort

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Speaker 5: of a capping around of veranda. It was constantly moving.

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01:20:14,735 --> 01:20:17,295
Speaker 5: In fact, it had moved, allowed water to get in

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01:20:17,415 --> 01:20:18,535
Speaker 5: there and rotted out some.

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Speaker 4: Of the framing below it.

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Speaker 5: We replaced that metal capping, and I actually sorry that

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01:20:23,855 --> 01:20:27,655
Speaker 5: we replaced the timber. And then in where the junctions

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01:20:27,695 --> 01:20:29,815
Speaker 5: are so where it butted into the house and where

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Speaker 5: there was a ninety degree corner, I actually had a

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Speaker 5: metal flashing made that I fastened over the top, and

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Speaker 5: that protects that joint.

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Speaker 4: It's not necessarily the prettiest solution, but I know that

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01:20:43,975 --> 01:20:47,535
Speaker 4: it's not going to leak ok all right, So that's

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Speaker 4: an option as well.

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Speaker 5: Otherwise, it's one of those things where you know, we

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Speaker 5: might expect six seven years out of a paint coating,

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01:20:54,295 --> 01:20:56,935
Speaker 5: but in that instance, there I'd probably be inclined to

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01:20:56,975 --> 01:20:59,695
Speaker 5: get out there every three years, let's say, and just

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01:20:59,735 --> 01:21:01,695
Speaker 5: give it a light stand and reapply a coat of

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Speaker 5: paint on it.

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01:21:03,815 --> 01:21:04,255
Speaker 10: Yes, we go.

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01:21:04,615 --> 01:21:08,655
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know miters like that, they will move

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01:21:09,575 --> 01:21:14,015
Speaker 5: inevitably already all the very best, take care, thanks Rachel

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01:21:14,055 --> 01:21:16,095
Speaker 5: bother then, oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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01:21:16,095 --> 01:21:18,455
Speaker 5: will take your calls with coming up to news time

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01:21:18,455 --> 01:21:19,855
Speaker 5: and I'll be able to squeak a quick one and

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Speaker 5: so I'll run through a bunch of texts for you.

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Speaker 4: Paint.

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01:21:22,815 --> 01:21:25,615
Speaker 5: How often should you paint the exterior of an old

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01:21:25,735 --> 01:21:30,295
Speaker 5: weather board house? I don't know if there's a well

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01:21:30,335 --> 01:21:32,615
Speaker 5: there is a straight answer to that. When it looks shabby,

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01:21:32,815 --> 01:21:37,095
Speaker 5: I guess, or when the existing paint coating starts to deteriorate.

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01:21:37,135 --> 01:21:40,335
Speaker 5: And in some cases, if you've done a really good

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01:21:40,415 --> 01:21:44,575
Speaker 5: job with the preparation, you've used good quality paints, and

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01:21:45,015 --> 01:21:50,655
Speaker 5: you've washed it every year, you might get ten twelve

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Speaker 5: years out of a paint coating, depending a little bit

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01:21:53,895 --> 01:21:55,935
Speaker 5: on a color, depending on where it is in the country,

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01:21:56,135 --> 01:22:01,895
Speaker 5: et cetera, et cetera. But typically seven eight years before

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Speaker 5: I think you start to and it won't be a

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01:22:03,695 --> 01:22:07,175
Speaker 5: complete repaint. It'll just be a touch up at that stage.

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01:22:07,295 --> 01:22:09,895
Speaker 5: And to be fair, that's exactly what I'm doing now.

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01:22:10,735 --> 01:22:13,695
Speaker 5: We repainted about seven eight years ago, and these little

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01:22:13,695 --> 01:22:15,855
Speaker 5: bits that are starting to flake off, and once the

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01:22:15,895 --> 01:22:17,855
Speaker 5: weather comes right and I've got a little bit more time,

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01:22:17,935 --> 01:22:20,975
Speaker 5: I'll be out there sand in, scraping, filling, patching up,

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01:22:21,095 --> 01:22:22,615
Speaker 5: and just you know, making it look good.

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01:22:22,695 --> 01:22:23,295
Speaker 4: So there you go.

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01:22:24,175 --> 01:22:27,495
Speaker 5: I reckon five to seven years. We'll talk legislation after

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01:22:27,495 --> 01:22:29,575
Speaker 5: the news. Going to catch up with Unki Charmer as well.

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01:22:29,735 --> 01:22:30,295
Speaker 4: Back after the.

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Speaker 1: Break, whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans, or

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01:22:33,255 --> 01:22:35,415
Speaker 1: wondering how to fix that hole in the wall. Give

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01:22:35,415 --> 01:22:39,855
Speaker 1: a Peter wolf Cap call on eighty the resident builder

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Speaker 1: on Youth Talks edb.

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Speaker 5: Rightio your News Talks dB Welcome back to the program

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Speaker 5: six minutes after eight on a Sunday morning, nineteenth of October.

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01:22:50,575 --> 01:22:53,975
Speaker 5: And actually a couple of texts about the rural boxes.

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01:22:54,215 --> 01:22:58,615
Speaker 5: I'll get into that in a minute, because yeah, I mean,

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01:22:58,695 --> 01:23:00,895
Speaker 5: I think if you can make one and promote some

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01:23:01,055 --> 01:23:04,535
Speaker 5: growth to the local population of wildlife, I think that's

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01:23:04,535 --> 01:23:06,215
Speaker 5: an awesome thing. So we'll get onto that. We'll make

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01:23:06,295 --> 01:23:08,975
Speaker 5: shoul we cover that. Remember at around eight thirty this morning,

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01:23:09,055 --> 01:23:11,695
Speaker 5: we have Rid clin passed. We're into the garden with

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01:23:11,855 --> 01:23:14,895
Speaker 5: Rudd at eight thirty now at around and we'll take

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01:23:14,935 --> 01:23:17,495
Speaker 5: your calls in just a moment as well. But last

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Speaker 5: week on the show I mentioned I've been along a

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Speaker 5: couple of days before on the Thursday to have a

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01:23:22,575 --> 01:23:25,615
Speaker 5: look at a bunch of as it happened this year,

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01:23:25,775 --> 01:23:29,975
Speaker 5: young men who were competing for the Master Builders Apprentice

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01:23:30,095 --> 01:23:32,575
Speaker 5: of the Year competition. Then we spoke to Josh and

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01:23:32,735 --> 01:23:34,855
Speaker 5: we had a quick chat with Unkitt as well from

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01:23:34,975 --> 01:23:40,455
Speaker 5: Master Builders. And in amongst all of those conversations, someone

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01:23:40,535 --> 01:23:43,895
Speaker 5: pointed out to me that there's a new initiative around

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01:23:44,095 --> 01:23:48,015
Speaker 5: what they're called spilling the tea. Now, I as a

1508
01:23:48,135 --> 01:23:53,255
Speaker 5: general comment, what I'm really passionate about is that contractors

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01:23:53,415 --> 01:23:59,775
Speaker 5: like myself, as LBPS, as professionals, want to be engaged

1510
01:23:59,895 --> 01:24:03,255
Speaker 5: and have really open and honest conversations with our clients

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01:24:03,375 --> 01:24:08,015
Speaker 5: about the projects. Right because projects are never really go

1512
01:24:08,975 --> 01:24:11,975
Speaker 5: Sometimes they go to plan, sometimes they don't. Sometimes there

1513
01:24:12,015 --> 01:24:15,695
Speaker 5: are challenges, there's always lots of questions, there's always lots

1514
01:24:15,735 --> 01:24:17,495
Speaker 5: of things to discuss, and we want to be as

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01:24:17,615 --> 01:24:21,735
Speaker 5: open and honest and transparent as we possibly can be.

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01:24:22,135 --> 01:24:24,455
Speaker 5: And if this sounds a little bit like spilling the tea,

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01:24:24,615 --> 01:24:27,695
Speaker 5: well it turns out that's exactly what this new program

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01:24:27,935 --> 01:24:31,655
Speaker 5: is called. So Chama from Master Builders, a very good morning,

1519
01:24:31,695 --> 01:24:32,535
Speaker 5: thanks for joining us.

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01:24:33,135 --> 01:24:34,695
Speaker 10: Good morning, Pete, thank you for having me.

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01:24:34,935 --> 01:24:35,615
Speaker 4: It's a pleasure.

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01:24:35,775 --> 01:24:39,135
Speaker 5: So this was I was alluded to this the other day.

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01:24:39,215 --> 01:24:42,855
Speaker 5: So there's a new campaign called spilling the tea. What's

1524
01:24:42,935 --> 01:24:43,415
Speaker 5: that about?

1525
01:24:43,495 --> 01:24:45,055
Speaker 4: And what are you trying to achieve with this?

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01:24:45,975 --> 01:24:46,135
Speaker 13: Well?

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01:24:46,295 --> 01:24:49,975
Speaker 10: Can I start by sharing a personal story of building iphat. Yeah,

1528
01:24:50,135 --> 01:24:53,295
Speaker 10: So before Corvin, we did a very large renovation and

1529
01:24:53,415 --> 01:24:56,695
Speaker 10: I wasn't working for Master Builders, and we chose a

1530
01:24:56,735 --> 01:24:59,415
Speaker 10: build a based on our recommendation, which kind of felt

1531
01:24:59,535 --> 01:25:02,055
Speaker 10: really safe at that time, but we didn't do any

1532
01:25:02,135 --> 01:25:06,255
Speaker 10: reference checks. Yes then understand the contract or the provisional

1533
01:25:06,895 --> 01:25:08,975
Speaker 10: so we actually got a head to around provisional sums.

1534
01:25:09,015 --> 01:25:12,375
Speaker 10: When we received some invoices that were larger than we expected.

1535
01:25:12,495 --> 01:25:14,135
Speaker 10: There was kind of an eye opener at the time.

1536
01:25:15,095 --> 01:25:17,255
Speaker 10: So there, as a homeowner, we kind of knew what

1537
01:25:17,375 --> 01:25:20,615
Speaker 10: we wanted, but had absolutely no idea of the process.

1538
01:25:21,335 --> 01:25:24,095
Speaker 10: And I remember we paid a very large deposit, and

1539
01:25:24,175 --> 01:25:26,655
Speaker 10: that's why I got really nervous, thinking this is actually

1540
01:25:26,735 --> 01:25:29,935
Speaker 10: quite a big deal, and what if the builder goes

1541
01:25:30,095 --> 01:25:32,735
Speaker 10: under and it didn't happen. The builder was a good builder,

1542
01:25:33,255 --> 01:25:36,455
Speaker 10: and we did have some issues, so electricians work wasn't

1543
01:25:36,495 --> 01:25:38,855
Speaker 10: up to the standard, and the builder kind of hadn't

1544
01:25:38,895 --> 01:25:40,575
Speaker 10: managed that really well, so we had to kind of

1545
01:25:40,615 --> 01:25:43,535
Speaker 10: worked through a kind of stressful process to manage that

1546
01:25:43,615 --> 01:25:45,935
Speaker 10: in the end. So it was after this renovation I

1547
01:25:46,055 --> 01:25:50,335
Speaker 10: realized how wonderable we work as homeowners, completely dependent on

1548
01:25:50,415 --> 01:25:53,655
Speaker 10: the builder doing the right thing and guiding us through

1549
01:25:53,735 --> 01:25:57,095
Speaker 10: the process. And I think that kind of tells us

1550
01:25:57,175 --> 01:26:00,895
Speaker 10: there's definitely definitely a lack of knowledge at a consumer

1551
01:26:01,095 --> 01:26:03,415
Speaker 10: end when it comes to building, and there's a lot

1552
01:26:03,455 --> 01:26:06,615
Speaker 10: of trusts that consumers put on their builder to kind

1553
01:26:06,615 --> 01:26:11,135
Speaker 10: of guide them through that process. And so this is

1554
01:26:11,215 --> 01:26:13,655
Speaker 10: kind of where the spilling the tea has come from.

1555
01:26:13,855 --> 01:26:16,855
Speaker 10: So so what we are trying to do at Master

1556
01:26:16,935 --> 01:26:20,055
Speaker 10: Builders is we look, we try to do two things.

1557
01:26:20,295 --> 01:26:22,695
Speaker 10: We try to make sure we of course, being a

1558
01:26:22,735 --> 01:26:26,855
Speaker 10: membership organization, we help our members run successful, sustainable businesses,

1559
01:26:27,175 --> 01:26:29,455
Speaker 10: but we also want to make sure consumers have great

1560
01:26:29,655 --> 01:26:32,895
Speaker 10: building experiences and what we are finding is to do that,

1561
01:26:33,255 --> 01:26:37,255
Speaker 10: we need to support both sides to build, and we

1562
01:26:37,375 --> 01:26:39,095
Speaker 10: need to empower the homeowners to kind of have the

1563
01:26:39,175 --> 01:26:42,095
Speaker 10: right knowledge and also have the builders to have the

1564
01:26:42,215 --> 01:26:45,935
Speaker 10: point you made around really good communication, be way transparent,

1565
01:26:46,135 --> 01:26:48,975
Speaker 10: and manage their client expectations. And if they can do

1566
01:26:49,055 --> 01:26:52,335
Speaker 10: that well, you know, the projects will run smoother, the

1567
01:26:52,455 --> 01:26:55,615
Speaker 10: relationship is stronger, and the experience is better. And that's

1568
01:26:55,655 --> 01:26:57,055
Speaker 10: what's spilling the T is all about.

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01:26:58,655 --> 01:27:02,055
Speaker 5: And I think that, I mean, I agree with the

1570
01:27:02,135 --> 01:27:06,895
Speaker 5: sentiments hundred percent, and I guess the often these things,

1571
01:27:07,215 --> 01:27:11,375
Speaker 5: you know, homeowners have either a little bit of experience

1572
01:27:11,495 --> 01:27:14,175
Speaker 5: or a little bit more experience, or are particularly well

1573
01:27:14,255 --> 01:27:18,655
Speaker 5: experienced in terms of working with contractors understanding the complexity.

1574
01:27:19,135 --> 01:27:21,815
Speaker 5: It's a dynamic situation building a house or doing an

1575
01:27:21,855 --> 01:27:24,695
Speaker 5: extensive renovation, that sort of thing. But for some people

1576
01:27:25,095 --> 01:27:27,815
Speaker 5: maybe they're unsure about what the process looks like. So

1577
01:27:28,335 --> 01:27:31,375
Speaker 5: does this spill the T program sort of like try

1578
01:27:31,415 --> 01:27:34,055
Speaker 5: and set out, Hey, this is what the journey's going

1579
01:27:34,095 --> 01:27:36,095
Speaker 5: to look like. Here are some of the things that

1580
01:27:36,255 --> 01:27:38,095
Speaker 5: that might get a little bit tricky, and let's talk

1581
01:27:38,135 --> 01:27:41,535
Speaker 5: about them now rather than suddenly it gets uncovered. We

1582
01:27:41,695 --> 01:27:43,615
Speaker 5: kind of knew it was going to happen anyway, but

1583
01:27:43,775 --> 01:27:45,255
Speaker 5: no one said that it was going to happen. So

1584
01:27:45,655 --> 01:27:48,335
Speaker 5: no surprises is a good thing. Is that what you're

1585
01:27:48,375 --> 01:27:48,735
Speaker 5: trying to do?

1586
01:27:49,335 --> 01:27:49,535
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1587
01:27:49,695 --> 01:27:52,975
Speaker 10: Absolutely. So the goal is how do we share some

1588
01:27:53,135 --> 01:27:58,575
Speaker 10: real honest insights with homeowners before they start building or renovating. Also,

1589
01:27:58,615 --> 01:28:01,375
Speaker 10: I think it's empowering homeowners with the right information so

1590
01:28:01,415 --> 01:28:04,375
Speaker 10: they understand the process. Yep, they are the right questions

1591
01:28:04,735 --> 01:28:08,855
Speaker 10: and they have more control of them experience. So we've

1592
01:28:09,015 --> 01:28:12,175
Speaker 10: developed some homeowner guides. So we have a guide that

1593
01:28:12,335 --> 01:28:13,815
Speaker 10: tells you what are the things you have to think

1594
01:28:13,855 --> 01:28:16,855
Speaker 10: about before you choose a builder and you sign a contract.

1595
01:28:17,975 --> 01:28:19,375
Speaker 10: I think this is an area there's a lot of

1596
01:28:19,455 --> 01:28:22,895
Speaker 10: gad We have another guide who's talked about what to

1597
01:28:22,975 --> 01:28:26,095
Speaker 10: consider before you start renovating, what to do if something

1598
01:28:26,135 --> 01:28:28,895
Speaker 10: goes wrong, And this is the point around how good

1599
01:28:28,935 --> 01:28:32,215
Speaker 10: communication for homeowners to raise concerns. We do the same

1600
01:28:32,295 --> 01:28:35,255
Speaker 10: on the builder side around how do you manage something

1601
01:28:35,615 --> 01:28:39,415
Speaker 10: if something doesn't go to plan? And then of course

1602
01:28:39,415 --> 01:28:41,335
Speaker 10: if you've got to guarantee, how do you go and

1603
01:28:41,495 --> 01:28:44,335
Speaker 10: make a client? So the thinking behind this is by

1604
01:28:44,375 --> 01:28:47,695
Speaker 10: having all of that quite simply laid out in playing

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01:28:48,135 --> 01:28:51,335
Speaker 10: English to understand. It makes it easier for homeowners to

1606
01:28:51,415 --> 01:28:53,615
Speaker 10: kind of know this is how the process should work out.

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01:28:54,295 --> 01:28:56,295
Speaker 10: You know, these are things I should expect, and if

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01:28:56,335 --> 01:28:59,175
Speaker 10: it's not happening, I can ask the questions. And also

1609
01:28:59,175 --> 01:29:01,055
Speaker 10: at the same time as telling the builders that look,

1610
01:29:01,175 --> 01:29:04,535
Speaker 10: this is homeowners, this is probably the biggest investment they'll

1611
01:29:04,775 --> 01:29:07,375
Speaker 10: go through in their lifetime. We did as stead of

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01:29:07,415 --> 01:29:10,455
Speaker 10: the sector research over one thousand homeowners, and sixty two

1613
01:29:10,495 --> 01:29:13,015
Speaker 10: percent of homeowners said their builder was their main source

1614
01:29:13,055 --> 01:29:16,735
Speaker 10: of information around the building process. So we actually really

1615
01:29:16,815 --> 01:29:19,535
Speaker 10: looked towards our builder as kind of leading and guiding

1616
01:29:19,615 --> 01:29:22,255
Speaker 10: us through that process. So just trying to make sure

1617
01:29:22,815 --> 01:29:25,615
Speaker 10: when we go through the journey together, they come out

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01:29:25,815 --> 01:29:28,615
Speaker 10: managing those issues in the best way possible and having

1619
01:29:28,615 --> 01:29:29,415
Speaker 10: a great experience.

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01:29:30,615 --> 01:29:32,575
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, like for most of us,

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01:29:33,975 --> 01:29:35,815
Speaker 5: I'm not in this position because I've been a builder

1622
01:29:35,855 --> 01:29:39,015
Speaker 5: since I was in my early teens or late teen so,

1623
01:29:39,895 --> 01:29:43,015
Speaker 5: but you know, like today on the program, the first

1624
01:29:43,055 --> 01:29:46,855
Speaker 5: two callers that we had completely unexpected were talking about

1625
01:29:47,175 --> 01:29:49,615
Speaker 5: recent experiences that had with a new build and a

1626
01:29:49,655 --> 01:29:52,375
Speaker 5: new build that's still underway, and both of them were

1627
01:29:52,575 --> 01:29:55,215
Speaker 5: really had I think, had been let down by their

1628
01:29:55,255 --> 01:29:57,135
Speaker 5: contractors and had.

1629
01:29:57,015 --> 01:29:58,135
Speaker 4: Come away disappointed.

1630
01:29:58,375 --> 01:30:01,415
Speaker 5: Whereas you know, what we want is for people to

1631
01:30:01,815 --> 01:30:06,335
Speaker 5: embrace the process, go out there, commission you work de

1632
01:30:06,375 --> 01:30:10,015
Speaker 5: cited about it, work collaboratively with their builders, and come

1633
01:30:10,095 --> 01:30:13,295
Speaker 5: out with a really great building that everyone's happy with.

1634
01:30:13,455 --> 01:30:16,015
Speaker 5: And as a contractor myself, as a as an LBP,

1635
01:30:16,735 --> 01:30:20,295
Speaker 5: you want to finish the job a good relationship with

1636
01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:22,535
Speaker 5: your client. I mean, I've got some guys that I

1637
01:30:22,695 --> 01:30:25,655
Speaker 5: did work for twenty years ago, right, we still catch

1638
01:30:25,775 --> 01:30:27,695
Speaker 5: up and have a cup of tea. That's the sort

1639
01:30:27,695 --> 01:30:30,095
Speaker 5: of relationship that you want as a as a builder

1640
01:30:30,335 --> 01:30:32,535
Speaker 5: with your clients into the future. You don't want it

1641
01:30:32,615 --> 01:30:34,935
Speaker 5: to end fractiously and so on, and a lot of

1642
01:30:34,975 --> 01:30:37,935
Speaker 5: that's communication. So I think it is a great initiative.

1643
01:30:38,655 --> 01:30:41,855
Speaker 5: Now spill the tea. It's how to like is this

1644
01:30:42,055 --> 01:30:46,375
Speaker 5: exclusive to Master Builders members and only if you engage

1645
01:30:46,375 --> 01:30:48,735
Speaker 5: with the Master Builder or is this something you're opening

1646
01:30:48,815 --> 01:30:49,455
Speaker 5: up to everyone?

1647
01:30:50,295 --> 01:30:52,255
Speaker 10: So we kind of we really had a really good

1648
01:30:52,255 --> 01:30:55,335
Speaker 10: conversation around this, okay, And so it's open on our

1649
01:30:55,375 --> 01:30:59,335
Speaker 10: website and all our guys available for any homeowners to use.

1650
01:30:59,775 --> 01:31:02,495
Speaker 10: As the guys, will you know reference Obviously they'll reference

1651
01:31:02,575 --> 01:31:04,015
Speaker 10: to they look if you want to go to Look.

1652
01:31:04,055 --> 01:31:06,455
Speaker 10: Of course there this is a link to going for

1653
01:31:06,615 --> 01:31:09,055
Speaker 10: Master Builder. But if I had those guides which.

1654
01:31:08,895 --> 01:31:10,575
Speaker 2: Were available to me when we were going through a

1655
01:31:10,615 --> 01:31:11,615
Speaker 2: building process.

1656
01:31:11,575 --> 01:31:14,055
Speaker 10: It would have made a huge impact. And what we've

1657
01:31:14,095 --> 01:31:16,895
Speaker 10: also done is work really hard to take out some

1658
01:31:16,975 --> 01:31:20,415
Speaker 10: of the technical language we use around building to keep

1659
01:31:20,455 --> 01:31:22,255
Speaker 10: it nice and clean. So it talks about, you know,

1660
01:31:22,335 --> 01:31:23,655
Speaker 10: the five stages of building house.

1661
01:31:23,695 --> 01:31:25,895
Speaker 2: You need dreaming about building the house, This.

1662
01:31:25,935 --> 01:31:28,055
Speaker 10: Is about thinking about what to do, so it talks

1663
01:31:28,055 --> 01:31:31,095
Speaker 10: about what to do in that space. Planning is quite

1664
01:31:31,135 --> 01:31:34,375
Speaker 10: an important phase, so it tells you things to think about,

1665
01:31:34,895 --> 01:31:37,255
Speaker 10: what to look out for, then what to do when

1666
01:31:37,295 --> 01:31:40,015
Speaker 10: you're actually building, and it's got a lot of proactive

1667
01:31:40,135 --> 01:31:42,895
Speaker 10: tips around, you know, things to look out for, what

1668
01:31:43,015 --> 01:31:46,335
Speaker 10: happens if something goes wrong. Completion it talks about once

1669
01:31:46,375 --> 01:31:49,135
Speaker 10: the project is completed, you know what does it mean

1670
01:31:49,175 --> 01:31:53,135
Speaker 10: when you reach a practical completion? Documents you should expect

1671
01:31:53,175 --> 01:31:56,575
Speaker 10: to receive, things we should keep, you should keep as

1672
01:31:56,575 --> 01:31:58,935
Speaker 10: a record and education, so things you need to do

1673
01:31:59,095 --> 01:32:02,455
Speaker 10: next to maintain your home. And then problem solving, which

1674
01:32:02,455 --> 01:32:05,255
Speaker 10: I think is a big one around when something goes wrong,

1675
01:32:05,375 --> 01:32:08,455
Speaker 10: how do you work through the issues. Also, it's telling

1676
01:32:08,535 --> 01:32:10,415
Speaker 10: what support is available. There's actually quite a lot of

1677
01:32:10,455 --> 01:32:14,415
Speaker 10: support available for homeowners and also where to go and

1678
01:32:14,495 --> 01:32:16,575
Speaker 10: get that support. So what we're trying to do is

1679
01:32:17,015 --> 01:32:19,655
Speaker 10: make this all available so when people are going through

1680
01:32:19,735 --> 01:32:24,055
Speaker 10: their building process, they understand what they're getting into, they

1681
01:32:24,175 --> 01:32:27,615
Speaker 10: know the right questions to ask, and I almost think

1682
01:32:27,615 --> 01:32:29,735
Speaker 10: it's a partnership. So many a pictures build there you

1683
01:32:29,815 --> 01:32:32,215
Speaker 10: need to find the right builder who's done this type

1684
01:32:32,255 --> 01:32:34,535
Speaker 10: of work you're wanting them to do, and also a

1685
01:32:34,575 --> 01:32:37,015
Speaker 10: building you can get along with and work through the issues.

1686
01:32:38,135 --> 01:32:42,015
Speaker 10: So as a result, it's available on our website for free,

1687
01:32:42,095 --> 01:32:45,695
Speaker 10: and I hope many people will go and use these

1688
01:32:45,775 --> 01:32:48,215
Speaker 10: guides and start guiding their process.

1689
01:32:48,615 --> 01:32:51,695
Speaker 5: Because you know, if you are engaging in this and

1690
01:32:52,215 --> 01:32:57,855
Speaker 5: your experience understandably is limited, then having that roadmap is

1691
01:32:57,975 --> 01:33:00,855
Speaker 5: actually really really useful. And the other thing that you know,

1692
01:33:00,975 --> 01:33:03,815
Speaker 5: I'm a big fan of this myself, is that you

1693
01:33:03,895 --> 01:33:07,535
Speaker 5: know the fact that we as profer raationals, as lbps

1694
01:33:07,615 --> 01:33:12,655
Speaker 5: and so on, now have a legal responsibility to engage

1695
01:33:12,695 --> 01:33:15,535
Speaker 5: in those conversations, to be professional and so on, and

1696
01:33:15,655 --> 01:33:17,735
Speaker 5: that's backed up by the Code of Ethics that was

1697
01:33:17,815 --> 01:33:21,535
Speaker 5: released in what twenty twenty two, So you know, while

1698
01:33:22,055 --> 01:33:24,215
Speaker 5: there's kind of like what you're saying is, hey, this

1699
01:33:24,335 --> 01:33:26,895
Speaker 5: is a really good roadmap. We should be having these conversations.

1700
01:33:26,975 --> 01:33:30,175
Speaker 5: The great thing for consumers now is that's backed up

1701
01:33:30,215 --> 01:33:33,975
Speaker 5: with legislation around here is a clear set of expectations.

1702
01:33:34,095 --> 01:33:37,655
Speaker 5: This is how lbps are expected to behave. It's set

1703
01:33:37,695 --> 01:33:40,815
Speaker 5: out in the Code of Ethics. So I think that's

1704
01:33:40,895 --> 01:33:42,495
Speaker 5: tremendous for the consumer as well.

1705
01:33:43,655 --> 01:33:45,975
Speaker 4: Absolutely, really great to talk with you.

1706
01:33:46,175 --> 01:33:50,135
Speaker 5: Thank you, and like say that that information not exclusive

1707
01:33:50,175 --> 01:33:52,815
Speaker 5: to master builders, but it's there on the website. Spill

1708
01:33:52,895 --> 01:33:55,095
Speaker 5: the tea. If you don't know where you're going, this

1709
01:33:55,135 --> 01:33:56,135
Speaker 5: will be a great roadmap.

1710
01:33:56,255 --> 01:33:58,615
Speaker 4: Thank you uncle. I really appreciate your time this morning.

1711
01:33:59,335 --> 01:33:59,695
Speaker 6: Pleasure.

1712
01:33:59,735 --> 01:34:01,855
Speaker 5: Thank you much talking with you. Take care by I

1713
01:34:01,935 --> 01:34:04,215
Speaker 5: think you and new Stalks' I think that's great. I

1714
01:34:04,295 --> 01:34:08,255
Speaker 5: think I've had this conversation. A number of years ago.

1715
01:34:09,175 --> 01:34:15,775
Speaker 5: I met most remarkable couple based in Wellington. They were

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01:34:16,815 --> 01:34:19,535
Speaker 5: shivers already in their early seventies I think at that time,

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01:34:19,855 --> 01:34:22,255
Speaker 5: and what they did is they would fund the building

1718
01:34:22,495 --> 01:34:26,655
Speaker 5: of several new houses and they would manage the process themselves.

1719
01:34:27,135 --> 01:34:29,815
Speaker 5: They would do the build, and then they would sell

1720
01:34:30,095 --> 01:34:34,695
Speaker 5: the houses and they would donate the proceeds to a charity,

1721
01:34:35,135 --> 01:34:37,095
Speaker 5: and then they'd start again. They'd fund the next slot,

1722
01:34:37,135 --> 01:34:39,015
Speaker 5: they'd get their costs back, and all of the profit

1723
01:34:39,055 --> 01:34:41,895
Speaker 5: they donated to charity. That was remarkable in and of itself.

1724
01:34:42,855 --> 01:34:44,575
Speaker 5: But the woman that I was talking to at the time,

1725
01:34:44,975 --> 01:34:47,415
Speaker 5: we were chatting, we were walking around some houses that

1726
01:34:47,495 --> 01:34:50,735
Speaker 5: they'd just finished, and then she said, you know what,

1727
01:34:50,935 --> 01:34:54,335
Speaker 5: I think it's about two thousand questions per build. And

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01:34:54,455 --> 01:34:57,735
Speaker 5: I've stuck in my mind and if I'm talking to people,

1729
01:34:58,655 --> 01:35:00,935
Speaker 5: either clients or people that I know who are about

1730
01:35:01,015 --> 01:35:03,575
Speaker 5: to start building, I use that story and I go,

1731
01:35:04,615 --> 01:35:06,535
Speaker 5: this is what you need to prepare yourself. If you're

1732
01:35:06,575 --> 01:35:09,415
Speaker 5: doing a new build or doing a renovation, expect that

1733
01:35:09,535 --> 01:35:12,735
Speaker 5: you're going to have about two thousand questions to answer

1734
01:35:13,095 --> 01:35:13,895
Speaker 5: on your new build.

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01:35:15,975 --> 01:35:18,895
Speaker 4: And it causes people to sort of go, oh, gee.

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01:35:18,695 --> 01:35:21,415
Speaker 5: That sounds like a lot, But I reckon, it's pretty

1737
01:35:21,495 --> 01:35:24,615
Speaker 5: damn accurate that you're going to have to answer about

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01:35:24,615 --> 01:35:27,455
Speaker 5: two thousand questions. If you don't know the answer, where

1739
01:35:27,455 --> 01:35:28,655
Speaker 5: do you go and who do you talk to? And

1740
01:35:28,735 --> 01:35:31,735
Speaker 5: how do you get advice? Well, at least this spill

1741
01:35:31,815 --> 01:35:36,255
Speaker 5: the tea might be some useful reading. Good projects always

1742
01:35:36,295 --> 01:35:38,535
Speaker 5: start with good planning. Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty

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01:35:38,615 --> 01:35:40,575
Speaker 5: ten eighty, We've got time for just a couple more

1744
01:35:40,615 --> 01:35:42,335
Speaker 5: calls before we jump into the garden with the red

1745
01:35:42,415 --> 01:35:45,055
Speaker 5: climb pass. I'll come back after the break explain about

1746
01:35:45,055 --> 01:35:48,015
Speaker 5: the Ruu boxes and the plans, and so we'll talk

1747
01:35:48,175 --> 01:35:50,775
Speaker 5: architecture for birds after the break as well. It is

1748
01:35:50,895 --> 01:35:54,935
Speaker 5: nineteen minutes after eight. A squeaky door or squeaky floor?

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01:35:55,175 --> 01:35:58,455
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder

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01:35:58,695 --> 01:35:59,695
Speaker 1: on Newstalk SEB.

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01:36:00,655 --> 01:36:03,335
Speaker 5: There is a lot going on at your local steel

1752
01:36:03,335 --> 01:36:06,855
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1753
01:36:06,895 --> 01:36:10,535
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01:36:10,735 --> 01:36:14,575
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1755
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1757
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1758
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Speaker 5: save two hundred and thirty five dollars and plenty of

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1760
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Speaker 5: up at still Shop, so you'll get a second battery

1761
01:36:36,895 --> 01:36:40,455
Speaker 5: for half price on selected battery kits and for Labor

1762
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1763
01:36:45,175 --> 01:36:49,615
Speaker 5: hundred dollars, save fifty dollars. Spend one thousand dollars, save

1764
01:36:49,775 --> 01:36:53,695
Speaker 5: one hundred dollars. That's Labor weekend only. No wonder kiwis

1765
01:36:53,735 --> 01:36:56,615
Speaker 5: love Still Shop. So go and see your locally New

1766
01:36:56,695 --> 01:37:00,055
Speaker 5: Zealand owned and operated still shop. Right across the country,

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01:37:00,335 --> 01:37:02,935
Speaker 5: there will be one near you shop and store or

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Speaker 5: online with speedy one hour click and collect free home.

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Speaker 1: Delivery to news Talk said be.

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Speaker 5: Righty oh now, thanks to unkit for that, and you

1771
01:37:16,415 --> 01:37:19,815
Speaker 5: can find that information on the master Builder's website. The

1772
01:37:19,895 --> 01:37:23,055
Speaker 5: reason I wanted to do the conversation with Uncle is

1773
01:37:23,175 --> 01:37:26,295
Speaker 5: that I think having some guidance for people who perhaps

1774
01:37:27,455 --> 01:37:30,255
Speaker 5: you know, if this is your first new build or

1775
01:37:30,335 --> 01:37:35,575
Speaker 5: your first time contracting someone to do let's say renovations,

1776
01:37:35,655 --> 01:37:38,215
Speaker 5: remodeling and that sort of thing, and you don't have

1777
01:37:38,335 --> 01:37:42,775
Speaker 5: any experience, which is okay obviously, then where do you

1778
01:37:42,855 --> 01:37:45,295
Speaker 5: go for guidance? Where do you go for some sort

1779
01:37:45,335 --> 01:37:48,175
Speaker 5: of checklist, some sort of roadmap of what this journey

1780
01:37:48,255 --> 01:37:50,575
Speaker 5: is going to look like. So any guidance in that

1781
01:37:50,695 --> 01:37:53,975
Speaker 5: space I think is tremendous. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten,

1782
01:37:54,015 --> 01:37:55,615
Speaker 5: and you might have time for one more call before

1783
01:37:55,615 --> 01:37:57,295
Speaker 5: we go into the garden. But there's a couple of

1784
01:37:57,375 --> 01:38:00,455
Speaker 5: texts that I want to get to as well. The

1785
01:38:00,655 --> 01:38:02,415
Speaker 5: goat Where do I find that spill of tea guy?

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01:38:02,535 --> 01:38:05,775
Speaker 5: Just go the master Builder's website. So masterbuilder dot org

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01:38:05,815 --> 01:38:08,455
Speaker 5: dot n and zaid they've got one. I'm sure other

1788
01:38:08,615 --> 01:38:11,055
Speaker 5: organizations have them as well, but this one's available there

1789
01:38:12,015 --> 01:38:15,095
Speaker 5: texts coming through. When does the architect come in? Does

1790
01:38:15,175 --> 01:38:17,975
Speaker 5: he she work with the client or the builder? Very

1791
01:38:18,015 --> 01:38:22,815
Speaker 5: good question, Jane. Typically most clients that I know will,

1792
01:38:23,935 --> 01:38:28,455
Speaker 5: if they've got a plan in mind, then they'll go

1793
01:38:28,775 --> 01:38:32,655
Speaker 5: to an architect or an architectural designer and sit down

1794
01:38:32,735 --> 01:38:35,495
Speaker 5: with them to work out the scope of it, the

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01:38:35,615 --> 01:38:39,255
Speaker 5: style of it, and so on. I actually I'm a

1796
01:38:39,415 --> 01:38:42,855
Speaker 5: huge fan of what you might call early contract or engagement.

1797
01:38:43,095 --> 01:38:46,535
Speaker 5: I think that if you have a good relationship with

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01:38:46,655 --> 01:38:49,495
Speaker 5: your builder and with your designer, be it architect or

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01:38:49,575 --> 01:38:54,215
Speaker 5: architectural designer, I think having sort of a meeting of

1800
01:38:54,335 --> 01:38:58,055
Speaker 5: the three minds can bring some benefit. I think there's

1801
01:38:58,095 --> 01:39:01,135
Speaker 5: some practical insights and so on that a builder might

1802
01:39:01,255 --> 01:39:05,415
Speaker 5: bring to the discussion, as well as obviously the creativity

1803
01:39:05,455 --> 01:39:08,535
Speaker 5: and the technical novel that their designer will hold as well.

1804
01:39:08,655 --> 01:39:14,295
Speaker 5: So in many cases clients will go directly to the designer,

1805
01:39:14,415 --> 01:39:17,815
Speaker 5: have the designs completed, and then send it out to

1806
01:39:18,175 --> 01:39:23,895
Speaker 5: contractors for pricing, and then it's more complicated to make changes.

1807
01:39:23,975 --> 01:39:26,695
Speaker 5: So if there's practical changes that could be made, you

1808
01:39:26,735 --> 01:39:29,375
Speaker 5: can do that at the design stage if you engage

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01:39:29,415 --> 01:39:33,855
Speaker 5: with your contractor at that point. Good morning, Our neighbors

1810
01:39:33,895 --> 01:39:36,335
Speaker 5: want to replace a fence between us. They want something

1811
01:39:36,415 --> 01:39:39,375
Speaker 5: more attractive. The fences in great condition, maybe five years old,

1812
01:39:39,415 --> 01:39:42,255
Speaker 5: color steel, and we have the ugly side. We're quite

1813
01:39:42,295 --> 01:39:44,575
Speaker 5: happy with the current fence and don't see the need

1814
01:39:44,655 --> 01:39:46,975
Speaker 5: to replace it. Are we required to share the costs?

1815
01:39:47,055 --> 01:39:49,655
Speaker 5: Are they allowed to pull down a perfectly good fence?

1816
01:39:49,735 --> 01:39:54,455
Speaker 5: Thanks for your advice. It'd be worth checking the Fencing Act,

1817
01:39:55,135 --> 01:39:57,895
Speaker 5: which sets out all of the guidance around what's required

1818
01:39:57,935 --> 01:40:00,975
Speaker 5: in the situation. But I'm pretty sure that in there

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01:40:01,255 --> 01:40:03,855
Speaker 5: is sort of a qualification that says that if the

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01:40:03,935 --> 01:40:07,655
Speaker 5: fence is still serviceable and an owner a neighbor wants

1821
01:40:07,775 --> 01:40:10,975
Speaker 5: to change it or improve it, you may not necessarily

1822
01:40:11,095 --> 01:40:15,375
Speaker 5: need to contribute to that. So if it's in poor

1823
01:40:15,455 --> 01:40:18,695
Speaker 5: condition and needs to be replaced, yes you do need

1824
01:40:18,775 --> 01:40:21,375
Speaker 5: to contribute. But if it's in reasonable condition, you might

1825
01:40:21,455 --> 01:40:24,615
Speaker 5: find that you don't actually need to contribute to it.

1826
01:40:24,735 --> 01:40:27,815
Speaker 5: They're doing it for their benefit because the fence works

1827
01:40:28,055 --> 01:40:32,895
Speaker 5: as a fence. So we were talking about sort of

1828
01:40:33,335 --> 01:40:36,695
Speaker 5: we keep mentoring dechromastic, but it's important to remember that

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01:40:37,215 --> 01:40:42,575
Speaker 5: not all profile or punched or pressed metal tile systems

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01:40:42,615 --> 01:40:46,575
Speaker 5: are necessarily dechromatic. Some of them similar profile, but not

1831
01:40:46,735 --> 01:40:49,015
Speaker 5: that particular brand. But let's say we're talking about that

1832
01:40:49,175 --> 01:40:53,575
Speaker 5: type of thing. Can you reroof over those press metal

1833
01:40:53,655 --> 01:40:57,135
Speaker 5: tile roofs that has no damage but has a sebestos

1834
01:40:57,215 --> 01:40:58,255
Speaker 5: from Kathy.

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01:41:00,535 --> 01:41:03,295
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you kind of question why you would do that.

1836
01:41:05,215 --> 01:41:09,455
Speaker 5: Like in some cases, management of asbestos in a residential

1837
01:41:09,495 --> 01:41:14,375
Speaker 5: property you can do with what you would call encapsulating it. So,

1838
01:41:14,535 --> 01:41:17,255
Speaker 5: for example, you might have someone in a textured ceiling.

1839
01:41:18,015 --> 01:41:20,535
Speaker 5: You could spray that ceiling with a coat of acrylic

1840
01:41:20,615 --> 01:41:24,055
Speaker 5: paint and encapsulate the surface. You're not disturbing it, you're

1841
01:41:24,095 --> 01:41:27,895
Speaker 5: not opening your up, yourself up to the danger of exposure.

1842
01:41:28,255 --> 01:41:30,175
Speaker 5: But if it was a dechromastic roof and you were

1843
01:41:30,215 --> 01:41:33,255
Speaker 5: fixing a new one over the top, you still need

1844
01:41:33,335 --> 01:41:36,055
Speaker 5: to do perlins. I don't know that you'd find a

1845
01:41:36,095 --> 01:41:41,175
Speaker 5: contractor who would be confident about fixing new Perlins through

1846
01:41:41,295 --> 01:41:46,175
Speaker 5: an existing roof into an unknown substrate and then putting

1847
01:41:46,175 --> 01:41:48,615
Speaker 5: a roof on it. So I think in most cases

1848
01:41:48,775 --> 01:41:52,335
Speaker 5: it's going to be a remove that material and start

1849
01:41:52,535 --> 01:41:56,335
Speaker 5: from scratch. A couple of other people have asked, is

1850
01:41:56,415 --> 01:42:01,175
Speaker 5: their asbestos and fibrous plaster. It's uncommon, but it's not

1851
01:42:01,535 --> 01:42:04,335
Speaker 5: unheard of. And I was looking at a property the

1852
01:42:04,415 --> 01:42:09,295
Speaker 5: other day that had the old classic bungalow style fibrous

1853
01:42:09,335 --> 01:42:13,895
Speaker 5: cement panels inserted in between timber, and I have heard

1854
01:42:14,095 --> 01:42:17,015
Speaker 5: of cases where some of that material may be ACM.

1855
01:42:17,375 --> 01:42:20,575
Speaker 5: Good news is that there's so many testing organizations out

1856
01:42:20,575 --> 01:42:24,535
Speaker 5: there now you can actually take a sample safely, send

1857
01:42:24,615 --> 01:42:27,255
Speaker 5: it into a lab, get it tested, and then you know.

1858
01:42:27,495 --> 01:42:30,215
Speaker 4: So testing is always the best way to do it.

1859
01:42:30,575 --> 01:42:32,935
Speaker 5: Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you have

1860
01:42:33,215 --> 01:42:37,095
Speaker 5: a question for Root, you can call us right now.

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01:42:37,175 --> 01:42:39,815
Speaker 5: Oh now, on the RUU boxes. Just before we jump

1862
01:42:39,855 --> 01:42:43,055
Speaker 5: into the garden with Rud, so I got some plans

1863
01:42:43,095 --> 01:42:46,615
Speaker 5: from Rud. Turns out that the plan was for a

1864
01:42:46,775 --> 01:42:49,735
Speaker 5: slightly different species of owl. So I've ended up making

1865
01:42:49,775 --> 01:42:53,575
Speaker 5: a number of different boxes. If you're building for barn owls,

1866
01:42:53,615 --> 01:42:56,655
Speaker 5: it's actually quite a large box. The boxes for ruru

1867
01:42:56,855 --> 01:43:00,895
Speaker 5: are smaller. If you go to Wingspan, and Rud's been

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01:43:00,935 --> 01:43:02,775
Speaker 5: talking about Wingspan for a number of years, we had

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01:43:02,815 --> 01:43:04,895
Speaker 5: the opportunity of going down there at the beginning of

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01:43:04,975 --> 01:43:07,855
Speaker 5: this year actually, which was awesome. If you go to

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01:43:07,935 --> 01:43:12,335
Speaker 5: the Wingspan website, they've actually got a plan for a

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01:43:12,455 --> 01:43:16,095
Speaker 5: Ruru box that they've developed and they know all about ruru.

1873
01:43:16,455 --> 01:43:18,855
Speaker 5: So if you're looking for a plan for a Ruru

1874
01:43:19,135 --> 01:43:22,935
Speaker 5: nesting box, use go to the website for Wingspan and

1875
01:43:23,495 --> 01:43:27,895
Speaker 5: find the plans there. And like I say, one that

1876
01:43:28,015 --> 01:43:31,175
Speaker 5: I made my sister, I gave it to my sister.

1877
01:43:31,695 --> 01:43:34,495
Speaker 5: She's put it up and I can't tell you how

1878
01:43:34,575 --> 01:43:37,535
Speaker 5: excited I'll be if it actually becomes a home to

1879
01:43:37,855 --> 01:43:42,295
Speaker 5: a couple of Rurus and the young family. I would

1880
01:43:42,335 --> 01:43:45,495
Speaker 5: be delighted if that happened. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eight.

1881
01:43:45,575 --> 01:43:48,055
Speaker 5: We're going to take a quick break and then we're

1882
01:43:48,095 --> 01:43:48,735
Speaker 5: going to talk to.

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Speaker 1: Rid helping you get those DIY projects done right. The

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01:43:53,935 --> 01:43:58,095
Speaker 1: Resident Builder with Peter WOLFCAF call oh eight eight Youth

1885
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