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Speaker 2: True Huson from Sherston, Willis pr and Josie Bigani's CEO

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Speaker 2: of Child Fund with me this evening, Good evening, evening. Hello,

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Speaker 2: good to see you.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Josie will start with you? Do you

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Speaker 2: think he should stay or do you think you should go?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's obviously not his fault, but it is

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Speaker 2: the pearance.

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Speaker 4: He's born here, and until two thousand and six we

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Speaker 4: had an automatic citizenship. If you were born here, you're

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Speaker 4: a baby. You've got no decision making whatsoever. Most countries

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Speaker 4: have that as your last The lawyer just said in

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Speaker 4: the US it's a big issue birthright citizenship. Most countries

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Speaker 4: have birthright citizenship. We changed it. I can't even remember

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Speaker 4: why we changed it, Ryan, I mean, it makes sense

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Speaker 4: if the kid's born here, they're in New Zealander. And

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Speaker 4: it's not like we have a massive problem like other

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Speaker 4: countries of poorest borders, where people can just walk across

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Speaker 4: the border and hide in hedge. The last person who

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Speaker 4: arrived here illegally on a boat was Captain Cook. You know,

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Speaker 4: if you can cross the Tasma Ocean. Good luck to you.

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Speaker 4: We want you, but obviously an entrepreneur, you know what.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we keep them. Yeah, but if we keep

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Speaker 2: the rules tight, Trish, then we do discourage that type

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Speaker 2: of thing from happening. I mean, you had examples of

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Speaker 2: a tourist visa, basically have their baby there to drop

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Speaker 2: it there so that they can then have birthrights for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is one of the big topics around the

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Speaker 3: US is birth tourism, because that's one of the things

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Speaker 3: that was identified. Funnily enough, a woman would go, she

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Speaker 3: was close to giving birth, she would book into a

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Speaker 3: resort and give birth there. This is a very tricky

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Speaker 3: situation because no matter what happens here, it is this

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Speaker 3: this family will split up, so at a minimum that

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Speaker 3: the parents will be sent back. It may be the

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Speaker 3: parents and the sun and then the daughter is left

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Speaker 3: here on their own. I think this is probably a

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Speaker 3: very stark reminder to people who are overstaying here that

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Speaker 3: if you have a child, you know that child is

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Speaker 3: not going to be automatically A New Zealand citizen. And

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Speaker 3: I thought the lawyers reminded to people to get this

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Speaker 3: going to be difficult. Otherwise you will end up with

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Speaker 3: families in these in these kinds of situations. And as

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Speaker 3: I understand it, at least one of the parents they

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Speaker 3: have been an overstayer for some twenty four years, and

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Speaker 3: it is a reminder that these problems they don't go away.

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Speaker 3: And unfortunately for this eighteen year old, you know, he

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Speaker 3: But then you know, part of the immigration rules are

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Speaker 3: because we have to have we have to have rules.

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Speaker 2: And you have to say those and you do have

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Speaker 4: You do have to have rules, right. I mean that

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Speaker 4: no one is saying open borders. But it seems to

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Speaker 4: me the reason that most countries have a birthright citizenship

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Speaker 4: law is that you know, if you're if you're born

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Speaker 4: here through no fault of your own, you've got no

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Speaker 4: say of it whatsoever. You grow up in New Zealander,

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Speaker 4: you speak our lingo, you you do the raised eyebrow,

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Speaker 4: you know, cureda like everybody else. You know, you you

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Speaker 4: And there are other ways of trying to stop the

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Speaker 4: birthright the birth tourism, as you say, Trish, I mean

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Speaker 4: maybe it's around the airlines. You know you can't travel

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Speaker 4: when you're close to giving birth. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: we don't have a massive illegal stayers problem like we

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, No, mum's on planes. Not a big bell, hey,

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Speaker 2: Josie Beganni. Trisharson on the panel.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Elevate the

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Speaker 2: Home fourteen to six on News Talks A B. Tris

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Speaker 2: Shurs and Huson Willis pr jose Beganni, CEO of Child Fun.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back guys to the huddle. What should we do? Well,

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Speaker 2: should anyone really do anything about Destiny Church other than

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Speaker 2: and shoving people. That's just stupid, trish.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I am loath to give them any airtime.

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Speaker 3: But what they did on the weekend, going to a

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Speaker 3: I mean, how ridiculous. And it just shows how unmanly

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Speaker 3: these guys purporting to be men are that you'd go

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Speaker 3: best way to deal with this, though, is in the

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Speaker 3: language that Bishop Tomockey might understand, which is the Bible,

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Speaker 3: which I'm not particularly familiar with, but I did. There

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Speaker 3: are quite a good scripture, some scripture which might be useful,

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Speaker 3: which says, do not judge, or you too will be

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Speaker 3: judged for in the same way you judge others, you

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Speaker 4: Amen. Amen. Well, look, if they've committed a crime, if

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Speaker 4: they're guilty of harassment, intimidation, they've trespassed, if they've incited violence,

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Speaker 4: throw the goddamn book at them. I mean, it is

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Speaker 4: it is despicable what they're doing. But if they've just

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Speaker 4: sat there legally and protested, no matter how objectionable and

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Speaker 4: then you've got to ban the people who protest Posey

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Speaker 4: Parker or the Yeah, if I take the people who

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Speaker 4: glued themselves to Rhodes is another example. They had committed

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Speaker 4: free expression. The right to protest is easy to stand

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Speaker 4: bloody hard when it's despicable and objectionable views like this,

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Speaker 4: all of us to protest. The best example I've ever

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that you said that, Josie, because you know,

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Speaker 2: if this happened four years, five years ago, you know

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Speaker 2: I mean? I think we have slightly mature. I think

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Speaker 2: I'm pleased.

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Speaker 4: And I'll say something one thing about that rhyme which

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Speaker 4: I've realized. I used to think that freedom of speech,

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Speaker 4: look back in the civil rights movement and everything. But

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Speaker 4: the thing that I've realized, it's not just about your

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Speaker 4: right to have an opinion, because people say, but why

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Speaker 4: the alternative to violence. Actually is allowing these idiots to

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Speaker 2: And we should point out actually that it was the

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Speaker 2: old woman that got punched at the Posy Parkers total Yeah,

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Speaker 2: rumpties on the side. Well, I mean I shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, they're absolutely violent. And the biggest lesson here

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Speaker 3: this is his biggest worry in New Zealand that other

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Speaker 3: people might be gay, well you know he's he's he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, have you seen his eyebrows? Gayest thing

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Speaker 2: I've seen his eyebrows. They look professionally done, Josie.

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Speaker 4: And what's wrong with that?

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong. I think it's quite telling.

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Speaker 4: Judge not judge, not he who judges judges.

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Speaker 2: Not quite right. Hey, the QR codes, Trisha, do you

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Speaker 2: use them when you go into a restaurant to order

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Speaker 3: Well, when you go to somewhere and it's really busy,

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Speaker 3: I love a QR code you get stuff underway. But

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Speaker 3: if you go go to a really nice restaurant. One

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Speaker 3: of the things I absolutely love. Well, it's more my

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Speaker 3: husband who loves loves a yap to anyone who can

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Speaker 3: when you say to them, what would you recommend on

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Speaker 3: pair with it? Or whatever? You're not going to get

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Speaker 3: that from a QR code, No you not, Josie, I

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Speaker 4: The one thing I do like about the QR codes

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Speaker 4: and this is going to make me sound like a

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Speaker 4: total Karen is I really hate being interrupted by waters.

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Speaker 4: You know, when you're just getting down, you're having an

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Speaker 4: argument with your husband and they come over, they go,

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Speaker 4: is everything all right with your food? And you feel

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Speaker 4: go away. So QR codes give me the nice privacy

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Speaker 4: to have the argument that I want to have with

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Speaker 4: my husband that I've been saving up for a long time.

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Speaker 2: You'll get indigestion, Tricia said Jessie Piganni. Thanks guys, good

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Speaker 2: to have you on as all ways, enjoy my Mondays

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