1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: There's been an eleven percent spike and complaints to the 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Law Society about lawyers over the past year. Most of 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: the thirteen hundred complaints relate to legal negligence or incompetence. 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Eighty percent lead nowhere. So Juliannekincaid, is the vice president 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: of the Law Association, joins me. Now, Hello, Julienne, good morning. 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: So is the rise in complaints because of a rise 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: in bad lawyers or is this sore loser clients. 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: I can't say why there's been a rising complaints, but 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 2: I would like to think that there would probably be 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: a variety of reasons there are. There's a wide spectrum 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 2: of things that people can complain about. Obviously, it goes 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: from an extreme end of very bad behavior of misconduct 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: which we cannot tolerate within the profession, through a lot 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: of things like bad communications or billing issues, and through 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: right through to the other end of the spectrum, which 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: is a vexatious litigant client clients who will complain about 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: every lawyers. Yes, yes, it's a broad spectrum. 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. The Law Society says people are more educated on 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 1: the lawd to to check gput and AI and that 20 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: leads to clashes. So are we more educated or do 21 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: we just think we are. 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: Look, I think that managing expectations is always part of 23 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: a lawyer's job. And I can remember even a long 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: time ago, I'm a criminal lawyer in England where people 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: would particularly in prison, would talk to each other and 26 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: perhaps read up on the law and then come to 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: us and say, look, I think this, and we have 28 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: to have those conversations, and we shouldn't mind that. I 29 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: actually welcome a client who's engaged in doing their own research. 30 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: But of course we are the experts a little bit 31 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: like if you go to the doctor and you're going 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: to look up your symptoms before you go. When you 33 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: go to the doctor and say I think it's this, 34 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: the doctor will then be able to tell you because 35 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: they're trained and experienced. 36 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: So how do you make sure the way you've got 37 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: is the right lawyer for you and a good one. 38 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: I mean, is there a rate my teacher dot com 39 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: for lawyers? Is there some way you can get advice? 40 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: How do you choose a lawyer? 41 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: I think, personally, and this is just my personal view, 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: that Doyle's Guide is a good way to start, because 43 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 2: that is a one of those databases which is actually 44 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: other lawyers saying who's a good lawyer. I think that's 45 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: the closest thing I can think about in that area. 46 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: Of course, we all google everybody nowadays and you can 47 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: look up and see maybe if they've done other cases, 48 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: what have they been in the papers. But not all 49 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 2: of our work is published. A lot of what we 50 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: do is obviously very confidential, and that's quite right. So 51 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: asking around is always the best way. If you know 52 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: people that have been through similar experiences, it's always a 53 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: good way of doing. 54 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: Ju and Concaid King's Counsel thank you so much for 55 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: your time today and all your advice. But for more 56 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: Familily edition with Iron Bridge. 57 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: Listen live to news talks. 58 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: It'd be from five am weekdays, or follow the podcast 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio