1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Two figures from Stats ins that our livestock numbers are 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: falling twenty one percent drop in sheep over the past decade. 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: That's down to twenty three point six million. Dairy cattle 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: numbers dropped thirteen percent, while beef cattle held steady. Toby 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Williams Meat and wheelchair at fed Farmers with me this morning, Toby, 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: good morning, morning, right, how are you pretty good? 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: Thank you? 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Now, the reason really what this is about is there's 9 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: less grassland for the animals on to farm on. 10 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's all about land use change. And we've 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: seen with forestry of sheep and beef and then dairy 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: you've gone to horticulture and housing. 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: I saw that kiwi fruit was up thirty two percent 14 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: increase in land used for kiwi fruit. So we are 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: switching in some ways that that's a good thing. 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And then people should be free to 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: choose what land you best suits the land have got, 18 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: whether it's horticulture, whether it's you know, dairy farming or 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: sheven beef or forestry for that matter. Our big concerns 20 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: really lie around the reduction of sheep has been driven 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: not so much because forest is a better land use. 22 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: In some cases it is, but as the carbon market 23 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: that's really driving that forward, because you get much more 24 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: returned from the carbon the eaty s tracket than you 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: do from she's beef. 26 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: Is there a number twenty three point six million sheep 27 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: in New Zealand right now in a twenty one percent 28 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: drop over the past decade. Is there a number below 29 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: which the industry starts to sort of cave in on itself. 30 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're almost already there. We've seen the 31 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: challenges of the Alliance are having in terms of profitability 32 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: and be able to keep plants open and clothes missile 33 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: plant in Tomoru. So we're starting to see that really 34 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: tipped now as we need some capacity there in our 35 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: processes to be able to make sure that in droughts 36 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: we're can actually process and at peak times we can 37 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: process all the animals. How we still need our plans 38 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: to be efficient and you know, running at a capacity 39 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: and those big plants now because are really struggling to 40 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: get the numbers of sheeps through and this winter is 41 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: going to be a real tough one for all of 42 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: our processes. We're looking at being close to a million 43 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: lamps less to process this year. Than what we had 44 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 2: last year. 45 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: The hard thing is you can't. It's very difficult to 46 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: unfart with forestry, isn't it. 47 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And you know the government's made sort 48 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: of the right moves to try to put some limits 49 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: on it if there's announcements, but there's still loopholes there 50 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: that are enabling people to convert their better quality land 51 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: into pine trees. But ultimately what we need to see, Ryan, 52 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: is a change to the ETU settings the better balance 53 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 2: our emissions as well as our productive of food, because 54 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: we aren't seeing a demand for extra timber and thirty 55 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: years time as much as the Green Party had the 56 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: announced the Gavna they're going to build nice did you 57 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: know what? 58 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 1: Don't even talk about it, Toby, because it's just such 59 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: fanciful nonsense. Appreciate your time, ho yes or no? Quick 60 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: yesse or no from your Toby. And it's a hard one. 61 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: Should we pull out of Paris? 62 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 2: Well that's a really hard one recently. Yeah, I think 63 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: you know we should be uh yeah, possibly all right, Yeah, 64 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: appreciate more information. 65 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: Ryan, Appreciate your time, Toby. Toby Williams meet and wilchair 66 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: fed farmers with us this morning bright and early six 67 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: after sorry, sixteen minutes after five Now News Talks here'b. 68 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: I've always thought, you know, as a country we produce, yes, 69 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: we have the higher methane emissions blah blah blah blah blah, 70 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: but we feed something like forty million people. We're a 71 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: country of five million that feeds forty million. Surely that's 72 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: going to count for something. 73 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen live 74 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: to News Talks it'd be from five am weekdays, or 75 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.