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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends in Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business. Jonathan Cursley, US correspondent with US Hi, Jonathan.

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Speaker 2: Heather, Hello again you and all the wasn't it now.

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Speaker 1: That person jumping off the roof? I mean I looked

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Speaker 1: at that and thought that person's had some sort of

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Speaker 1: military training. What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you certainly seem to think that the

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Speaker 2: longer this goes on the way that they acted at

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Speaker 2: the scene, the sort of clues they have laid around

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Speaker 2: that there is certainly a coordinated level of thinking and

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Speaker 2: planning behind this. They have fled the scene out the back,

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Speaker 2: scaled down the roof, almost Spider Man's style, jumping off,

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Speaker 2: and then walking and running across a car park road

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Speaker 2: into a wooded area to dump the firearm right there

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Speaker 2: and leave behind supposedly some sort of scrawlings on the

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Speaker 2: cartridges of the bolt action hunting style rifle that was

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Speaker 2: used to kill Charlie Kirk. The images that they've released

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Speaker 2: show him wearing a military style veteran T shirt, a

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Speaker 2: navy cap with a white triangle on it, and at

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Speaker 2: the moment, though, that is all the information that police

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Speaker 2: really have the essential lead investigator locally on the ground,

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Speaker 2: is essentially saying they have no idea where he could

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Speaker 2: be and that is obviously going to be of some

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Speaker 2: significant concern. That is why the authorities are pointing out

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Speaker 2: they've had seven thousand tips. That is why they are

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Speaker 2: saying they want more to come forward. And you heard

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Speaker 2: that grab from Spencer Cox. They're reminding the gunman that

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Speaker 2: they do have the death penalty in Utah. And the

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Speaker 2: US President Donald Trump, well, he's certainly trying to make

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Speaker 2: sure that even though that there is no motive public

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Speaker 2: from the police and the FBI is yet he's certainly

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Speaker 2: framing it very much as a political assassination. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I find what I find is very interesting right now

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Speaker 1: was watching the number of people who are coming out

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Speaker 1: making frankly quite stupid comments about Charlie Kirk and losing

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Speaker 1: their positions as a result. Have you been following this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, You've seen a number of them. I mean

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Speaker 2: the latest one that we've seen in the last hour,

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Speaker 2: so is this calls for a secret service agents to

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Speaker 2: be fired after they claimed that the assassination was calmer

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Speaker 2: for Charlie Kirk. Somebody who was an advocate of free speech,

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Speaker 2: and it's these sorts of comments that are fueling the

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Speaker 2: right by saying this is the left trying to stir

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Speaker 2: up conflict, trying to, in the words of some right

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Speaker 2: wing commentators, be at war. Now, that is the last

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Speaker 2: thing that this country wants. It is a nation that

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Speaker 2: is already deeply divided, and that golf is only growing

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Speaker 2: by the day. We've seen fights in Idaho after somebody

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Speaker 2: shouted Charlie Kirk profanities. We've seen a bomb threat at

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Speaker 2: the headquarters of the DNC, the Democratic Party in Washington,

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Speaker 2: d C. It is a very anxious time from the

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Speaker 2: President of the United States of America. The words we

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Speaker 2: heard today was not one of unity, was not one

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Speaker 2: of calm, but of warnings to what he called the

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Speaker 2: radical left that he must stop them, essentially in carrying

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Speaker 2: out what he views as causing assassinations like the one

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Speaker 2: we saw yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, now we've had this thing developing where Lord

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Speaker 1: Mandelssohn has obviously left the post and we've got Trump

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Speaker 1: heading over to the UK and it's the Epstein Stone.

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Speaker 1: Is this going to make the whole Trump? Is it

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Speaker 1: really awkward?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it could. I mean You've had Lord

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Speaker 2: Mandalston standing side by side with the US President inside

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Speaker 2: the Oval Office when they've been talking about the US

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Speaker 2: UK trade deals. Lord Mandilsson resigning over his associations with

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. The Epstein sagary is something Donald Trump has

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Speaker 2: not been able to get away from for weeks and

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Speaker 2: weeks and weeks. Now. The last thing he is going

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Speaker 2: to want to do is to go on a state

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Speaker 2: visit invited by the royal family, stand alongside the King

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Speaker 2: and Camilla and the Prime Minister Sekir Starmer, and be

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Speaker 2: asked about the Epstein files. This is the last thing

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Speaker 2: he wants. He wants the invite to be all about history,

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Speaker 2: making the first US president to be given two state visits.

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Speaker 2: Yet you can imagine, given the political climate in the

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Speaker 2: United Kingdom and the question still circling over the Epstein

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Speaker 2: files and the lack of them being made public, despite

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Speaker 2: the wishes of some in the Republican Party, that this

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Speaker 2: could very well be a difficult time, a difficult couple

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Speaker 2: of days, if indeed they wind up do taking questions

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Speaker 2: over the course of this today visit.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan, good to talk to you, mate, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon. That's Jonathan Kursley, US correspondent.

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