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Speaker 1: Right to the controversy over the moldy food at the

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Speaker 1: school in christ Church. It seems the principle of the

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Speaker 1: school is correct that she was not left with a

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Speaker 1: box of food on Thursday last week which then went

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Speaker 1: moldy over the weekend and was served to kids on Monday.

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Speaker 1: She's provided us with CCTV photos proving eight boxes came

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Speaker 1: in on Thursday morning and weirdly nine left on Thursday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: which means officials have been proven wrong, or at least

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Speaker 1: the people at the school lunch collective have been proven wrong.

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Speaker 1: David Seymore was the Associate Education Minister in charge of

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Speaker 1: this and with us. Hello David, hey Heaver. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: what's the story now.

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Speaker 2: Well, the story is evolving and I'm sure you can

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Speaker 2: assemble it. You've got a principal who has made a

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Speaker 2: set of claims, You've got a compass provider which has

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Speaker 2: made a set of claims, and you've got government investigator

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Speaker 2: which has gone and issued what they believe has occurred,

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Speaker 2: which is that some meals were left over the weekend,

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Speaker 2: not refrigerated, accidentally reissue to children and that is the

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Speaker 2: cause of the problem.

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Speaker 1: Okay, can we get the records. We've been asking your

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Speaker 1: office all afternoon for the records to prove that, as

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Speaker 1: we were told, nine boxes went in on Thursday and

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Speaker 1: night came out.

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Speaker 2: Well again, we've never made that claim. Compass made that claim.

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Speaker 2: What we have done is shown people what's in the

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Speaker 2: public domain, both from the principal and from the government department,

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Speaker 2: and we've said, look, on the basis of what everybody

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Speaker 2: can see, it appears that the source of the problem

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Speaker 2: originated at the school and the Food Safety New Zealand

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Speaker 2: agency have issued a new statement reaffirming their story and

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Speaker 2: their findings, which is bolstered by the fact that regardless

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Speaker 2: of how many boxes came and went in that entire controversy,

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Speaker 2: actually you know that it seems there's a common practice

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Speaker 2: that some boxes and some meals were always kept back

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Speaker 2: at the school, and Food Safety in New Zealand have

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Speaker 2: offered their services to help the school and the process.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the problem is. Look, I know

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Speaker 1: I would like to believe that the version that you

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Speaker 1: telling us, and that the officials are telling us is correct,

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Speaker 1: except when the officials are pressed to actually provide the

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Speaker 1: evidence to support their claims. They don't even want to

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Speaker 1: pack up the phone, which and get Peggy. Peggy Burrows

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Speaker 1: the principle here has been able to back up her claims,

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Speaker 1: which means at this point she looks more credible, doesn't she.

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Speaker 2: Well, you could take that view, but I think that

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Speaker 2: the evidence that the people at Food Safety in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand have provided is based on discussions with teachers at

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Speaker 2: the school.

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Speaker 1: But they've provided no evidence. That's the problem, David. They

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Speaker 1: are just expecting us to take them at their word.

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Speaker 1: And if there's one thing we learned from COVID is

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Speaker 1: you do not take officials at their word.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can appreciate that. Nonetheless, there's a common practice

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Speaker 2: of leaving meals at the school and leaving boxes at

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Speaker 2: the school. You've had a bunch of provide the evidence,

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Speaker 2: give us the evidence of that. Well again, you know,

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Speaker 2: you can go and say that everybody's lying, or you

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Speaker 2: can listen to what they're telling them.

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Speaker 1: There, no, no, But here's the thing. You guys are

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Speaker 1: telling conflicting stories. She's been able to provide the evidence.

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Speaker 1: Can your side provide any evidence of what you're saying?

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Speaker 2: No, what I'm saying is that they have gone to

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Speaker 2: the school. I've interviewed people and they have said that,

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Speaker 2: according to reports from teachers, there is a widespread practice

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Speaker 2: of keeping some boxes and some meals. That appears to

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Speaker 2: have happened. And if you doubt that that's happened, then

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Speaker 2: you'd have to ask yourself how it's possible that fifteen

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Speaker 2: other schools that got exactly the same meals from exactly

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Speaker 2: the same place on exactly the same day didn't actually

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Speaker 2: have a problem. Now, what's interesting about what you've just said, Heather,

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Speaker 2: is you seem to be putting more store in how

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Speaker 2: much effort goes into communicating with the media.

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Speaker 1: Right, no, no, no, no, you would come on, come on, David,

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Speaker 1: don't be a dick. Would don't be a dick. You're

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Speaker 1: being a dick because what you're doing is you're making

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Speaker 1: this a story about No come on, man, you are

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Speaker 1: making this a story about how about mego about media ego.

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Speaker 1: It is not about media ego. It is about the

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Speaker 1: fact that you got it, so he said. She said,

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Speaker 1: And at the end, the only way that you can

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Speaker 1: listen hear me out, the only way that you can

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Speaker 1: determine what is true is if the people cough up

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Speaker 1: the primary evidence she has. You haven't. I would like

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Speaker 1: to believe your story because I can see the inconsistencies

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Speaker 1: and I can see the possibilities that this is a problem.

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Speaker 1: Can you answer me one question about the food, right,

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Speaker 1: is the same food served on Thursday that is served

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Speaker 1: on Monday?

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Speaker 2: Well as I understand it. Yes, Next point, Heather, just

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Speaker 2: if you really come back, come back from come back

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Speaker 2: from calling me names, just for a second, and I

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Speaker 2: just make the point I make is that the proper

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Speaker 2: way to address this would have actually been not for

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Speaker 2: the principle to have gone off and talked to a

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Speaker 2: whole lot of media. I mean, she's done so many interviews.

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Speaker 2: She was doing one morning chat to cut short so

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Speaker 2: she could go and do another media interview. It would

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Speaker 2: have been to say child safety is number one, child

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Speaker 2: education as number two.

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Speaker 1: David. I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you,

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Speaker 1: but it's quite clear she's playing politics, and so are you,

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Speaker 1: and David, listen for the future. If you're going to

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Speaker 1: come on here and you do this every single time,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to come on here and need me

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Speaker 1: like you do in your in your look, with your

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Speaker 1: little snarky comments you can expect to be called to

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Speaker 1: dick and be called out for it. Okay, off we go,

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, David Seymour, Deputy Prime Minister, Lord,

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Speaker 1: I just called the Deputy Prime Minister a dick and

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