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Speaker 3: It's the seventeenth of June twenty twenty four. Welcome all

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Speaker 3: you bespokey dokies to the Daily Bespoke podcast. I listened

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Speaker 3: and I'm saying, it's a great technique before someone comes

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Speaker 3: It's a little worried when I was listening to it

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Speaker 5: There was deep prep going into that on the Daily.

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Speaker 6: It was an interesting circumstance, that wasn't it. And also

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Speaker 6: their socials as well. And I couldn't help but think

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Speaker 6: heard by them, the idea that maybe the offans of

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Speaker 5: They were busy. They were busy at Armageddno the weekend

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Speaker 3: It was a massive change in Armageddon over the years.

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Speaker 3: Like when my kids first started going to Armageddon was

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Speaker 3: all Star Wars, Yes, Marvel, Doctor Who, and none of

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Speaker 5: Oh what is it now?

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Speaker 3: It's all anime. It's all anime. It's all weird animes.

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Speaker 3: Like there's a million animes and that's what people give

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Speaker 3: you know, It's it's interesting how much things have changed.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of the stupid plot that makes no sense

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Speaker 3: Not that they use this very well, but in the

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Speaker 3: third episode it's very controversial because it's so shit. People

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Speaker 3: But in the third episodes there's this lesbian space witches

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Speaker 5: Yet you watched everything. You watched The Mandalorian, you watch

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Speaker 5: Will you continue to watch everything that comes out? I

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Speaker 3: I think it's absolutely I think that's third episode of

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Speaker 3: It's just so bad. And have you seen the movie

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Speaker 3: Godzilla minus one? No fantastic movie. Each episode of this

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Speaker 3: think it's the City Rail Network of televisions. It ever

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Speaker 3: they've completely lost the plot. I think it's because they

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Speaker 5: Is it a little bit like the way that I

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Speaker 3: You've got to want it. So it was definitely bad

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Speaker 3: Star Wars, you know, let the Star Wars Christmas Special

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Speaker 5: The idea of demand and supply is really interesting one

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Speaker 3: This happens with tournaments all the time. They think, oh,

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Speaker 3: for longer, and it never works. That's always Six Nations

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Speaker 3: Six nations, they all play each other once.

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Speaker 7: How do you reckon it would go? Like obviously, back

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Speaker 3: You do you? But I mean, you know, we've been

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Sometimes you just got to straighten the attack.

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Speaker 5: But it's just going across, across, across, across, phase after

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've got to go forward. I wonder if

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Speaker 5: Run out of there's just you get to a certain

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But at the end, which she goes, I love Luke.

439
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 3: So she said the joke. She's a huge fan because

440
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 3: she finds cookie Monster funny. Right, Yeah, so she's a

441
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,439
Speaker 3: huge fan and she's gonna say cookie Monster.

442
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 5: And then when kim it sort of goes, Kermit kinda

443
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,440
Speaker 5: does a joke. Yeah, but he's slightly actually slightly annoyed.

444
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 5: And then she's like, oh, I love you.

445
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 3: She actually yeah, and such a nice ways as he's

446
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 3: got walking away.

447
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 5: I love you.

448
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 3: We play that again, God, that's cute.

449
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 2: Facts.

450
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 8: Why asy next time? Master, can I'm believing.

451
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 4: I love you.

452
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 2: I love you tool Okay?

453
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 3: Oh she goes, well, thanks, I love you. I love

454
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:52,880
Speaker 3: you too.

455
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 5: Oh my god, that's a sweet way to finish.

456
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:55,680
Speaker 3: Jesus.

457
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 5: And so that went out to hear on the air

458
00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 5: like that, yeah, because they thought they weren't going to

459
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 5: use it. It was like an out take, and then they

460
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 5: went actually it was so beautiful in such a such

461
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 5: a sweet, real moment that I thought, actually we'll use that.

462
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 5: I remember it as a kid, I remember watching that.

463
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 3: You can see how Henson would have got a little

464
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 3: annoyed by that, because you're trying to get through the shoot.

465
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot to do, lots of shots.

466
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 3: You got to get it done, and so this isn't

467
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 3: going quite right. I mean, he's not nastily annoyed. It

468
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 3: doesn't go fuck you and stomp off for anything like

469
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 3: Bennet at Cumberbatch and Eric would.

470
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Speaker 5: No, no, he doesn't. But yeah, there would have been

471
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 5: I know how you don't know what happened before or

472
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 5: you know, for the days or weeks leading into that

473
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,360
Speaker 5: particular moment for Jim Henson. But I mean also Jim

474
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,360
Speaker 5: Henson was running the production part of it as well.

475
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 5: Jim Henson was a intensely busy man.

476
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 3: And then he just died. He's just Jim Henson just died.

477
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 3: He's been in his fifties. Yeah, he was young. He

478
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 3: got some kind of sickness, ay, and just just just

479
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 3: dropped dead. Old Jim Henson.

480
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 5: So something weird happened with his kids where they owned

481
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 5: all of the all of the muppets, all the sisame

482
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 5: street stuff. And then they sold it, didn't they. And

483
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 5: then the company that bought it went bankrupt, and then

484
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 5: they bought it back again for nothing. Now they own

485
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 5: it again.

486
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 3: That's smart, isn't it.

487
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 5: I'm sure the Henson family have sold it twice. Well,

488
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 5: they've sold it once and they've brought it back for

489
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 5: really really cheap and they made like six hundred million extra.

490
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 3: So Hanson appeared with Keiman on the arsen A Short

491
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 3: Hall show in May nineteen ninety. That was his final

492
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 3: television appearance. So what he returned home? When did he die?

493
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 3: As he's been dead that long nineteen ninety? Wow?

494
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just wow. I remember as a kid when

495
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 5: they were not as kid, as a teenager, when he

496
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 5: year when he died. But he must have been born

497
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 5: in the forties. I feel like he was the same

498
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 5: age as someone like that. It was like our parents.

499
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 5: He's born in nineteen thirty six, ninety thirty six, right, Yeah, Okay.

500
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: She's died at fifty three. But Brian, Brian, Brian jumped

501
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 3: on and has done well, isn't he.

502
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, there was a documentary made in nineteen ninety I

503
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 7: don't know if you guys remember this called the Muppets

504
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 7: Celebrate Jim Henson. I just remember watching it as a kid,

505
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 7: and they were all really sad and really confused us

506
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 7: because the creator had died and they didn't know how

507
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 7: to explain it, and so they were trying to explain

508
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 7: it to the audience. And in fact, that girl Joey

509
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 7: appeared on that and she must have earned or like

510
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 7: twenty two old, So she appeared on that documentary where

511
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 7: they're trying to explain what happened to Jim Henson.

512
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 8: Wow.

513
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 3: Interesting what her memory of that would be though, as

514
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 3: you say, Jeremy, she would have just remembered the frog.

515
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 3: As a kid, she remember talking to a frog, not

516
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: talking to Jim Henson. Yeah.

517
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 5: Do you remember there was another kid who who was

518
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 5: my memory from sis mistering Nose days called John John.

519
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 5: Remember he was a little African American kid, John John.

520
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 5: I wonder if they've got John John John John was

521
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 5: underface John John? Was John John kill him?

522
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 3: To get more than one name?

523
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 5: John John John John John John. Just to clarify, was

524
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 5: that of the last name John as well?

525
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 3: They both felt John or is it John John? Here

526
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: is John John.

527
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 5: Here are the monster and John John counting? All right,

528
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 5: there's people one here, weren't there?

529
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: Just put it put it on the thing again. No, no,

530
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: not just put it on nothing again.

531
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to.

532
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 3: Just we can't. We don't have your one like the

533
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 3: one a bandit?

534
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 5: Why is my thing only comes from one ear? It's

535
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 5: not fear if they if they come. It's been four years.

536
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: Is there anyone interested in foxing I've done something.

537
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 5: I've done nothing wrong. I haven't done anything to deserve this,

538
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 5: and I haven't been cheating on someone or something. Well,

539
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 5: I mean no one has said there.

540
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 6: That feels like a weird thing to say.

541
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 5: No where Jerry, I'm wondering why my computer is the

542
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 5: only one that goes through in money because you've been

543
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 5: cheating on something. To be a bit paranoid about something.

544
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 3: There's only one person who could have been cheating.

545
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 5: But after we were talking about that cheating this morning.

546
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 3: Okay, let's listen to John John's excuses. See what John John's.

547
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, I'll go first, you second.

548
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 3: Okay, remember that you.

549
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 4: Want to go first.

550
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 3: Okay, you go first?

551
00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 4: Who five sheets, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve thirteen?

552
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: What kay? Chapter fifteen?

553
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 5: After fifteen comes.

554
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 4: Sixteen?

555
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 3: Oh hey, n care.

556
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: I got that?

557
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: Nineteen moy, John John?

558
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 4: Is that you're grown up?

559
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 2: Sure?

560
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 5: Sary?

561
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 3: Oh wow, great to see.

562
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 8: I guess I don't call you John John anymore. Here

563
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 8: they're doing now they call me John Williams.

564
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: What's this you got on?

565
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: John?

566
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 8: No, I'm in the Air Force. Whoa I've been in

567
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 8: for about.

568
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 6: A year and a half.

569
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 4: Maby for all times sake, we could just do a

570
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 4: little jounty sure from sixteen?

571
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll go first, you go second.

572
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: Bang?

573
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: This is six bless.

574
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 3: That's fucking beautiful.

575
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 5: John John, John John. What a great name? John John is?

576
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, John, there's a lot of dark rumors floating around

577
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 7: online about John John. It's not but no, no, no,

578
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 7: because unfortunately John John his real name is John Bernard Williams.

579
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 7: His birth year is nineteen sixty nine. His mother's first

580
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 7: name is Trina. He is from Texas, and there is

581
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 7: a sex offender call John Burne Williams with all the

582
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 7: same stats, and so everyone says that he is the

583
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 7: Sex's not true.

584
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 3: All of that, just not John John. People there, ever,

585
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: go John John didn't do that? John.

586
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 5: John's a great New Zealand. And you could tell he's

587
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 5: a great New Zealand from day one. He gave it

588
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 5: a hund Yeah.

589
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 3: And also you knew he was, you know, destined to

590
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: great things because he was like, oh, they're first. You know,

591
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: there was a massive blue monster in front of you,

592
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 3: and you go, no, I'm going first.

593
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 5: Counting kids are the fucking beast of us.

594
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: Bless, bless. You know, you see something terrible like the

595
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 3: Echolte and you feel like childhood has been destroyed by

596
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: people that are just greedy and money, you know, money focused.

597
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 3: And then you see this with John John, and you

598
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: see that you know, some of these artists and creatives

599
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: actually did it for the right reasons.

600
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 4: You know.

601
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, beautiful, beautiful, Okay, all right, okay.

602
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: Okay, then alright then chess, you seem busy.

603
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 5: God love you alright, Love you, love you, love you,

604
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 5: Love you too,