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Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealanders, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast number one four nine for Thursday

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Speaker 2: of the nineteenth of June twenty twenty five. Incredible show today.

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Speaker 2: There's two podcasts out today, including an extended version of

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Speaker 2: our interview with the key we undersea adventurer Rob McCallum

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Speaker 2: and talking about his attempts to stop the Titan Ocean

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Speaker 2: Gate submersible from going under and killing the people that

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Speaker 2: it ended up doing. And that's a fantastic chat, so

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Speaker 2: go and listen to that. There'll be a truncated version

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Speaker 2: of that interview on this pod, but the full extended

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Speaker 2: very interesting, I believe version of the podcast is out

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and had a great discussion about employees ripping off

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Speaker 4: businesses on the back of a dirty bugger who ripped

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Speaker 4: off none other than Larnett Castle.

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Speaker 2: Oh dirty early. I thought one place in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: was safe. It would have been a castle, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: But isn't well. Enjoy the long weekend or whenever you

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Speaker 2: listen to this who knows when you're listening to this,

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Speaker 2: So just enjoy, enjoy your life.

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Speaker 1: The big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said me.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon to you. Welcome into today's show. Thursday, that

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Speaker 4: is technically a Friday for a lot of people out there,

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Speaker 4: long weekend ahead of us, and it is great to

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Speaker 4: have your company as always.

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Speaker 2: Good a Matt get A, Tyler God you great New Zealanders. Yea,

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Speaker 2: We've put together a pretty special show today. I'm very

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Speaker 2: excited about the interview that we've got at the end

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Speaker 4: That is an absolute doozy. So just before we get

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Speaker 4: to that interview, after three o'clock, sorry, after three thirty,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna have the New Zealander of the Week. We

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Speaker 4: usually do that on a Friday, but because it's a

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Speaker 4: long week Ken, we're going to do that at three

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Speaker 4: point thirty and also have a chat to Scott bar

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Speaker 4: It ahead of the Super Rugby Final. But the interview

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Speaker 4: after three o'clock New Zealander Rob McCallum, this guy is incredible.

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Speaker 4: He's a pioneer in the world of deep ocean diving.

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Speaker 4: He's led countless journeys to some of the most inaccessible

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Speaker 4: and awe inspiring places on Earth, including breaking the record

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Speaker 4: for the deepest dive challenger deep in the Mariana Trench

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Speaker 4: that's the lowest point on Earth at almost eleven thousand

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Speaker 4: meters below sea level. He's worked with the likes of

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Speaker 4: James Cameron. This guy is absolutely amazing. And he was

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Speaker 4: involved in the early stages of Oceangate and he is

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Speaker 4: a key voice in the wildly popular Netflix documentary Titan

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Speaker 4: the Ocean Gate Submercible Disaster, where he shares his attempts

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Speaker 4: to warn founder Stockton Rush of the immense danger of

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Speaker 2: So this is the guy. He saved a lot of lives,

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Speaker 2: an absolute New Zealand legend, an adventurer. They call him

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Speaker 2: down eleven thousand meters. An incredible human being, but his

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Speaker 2: Gate Titan submersible saved lives, and you know, he tried

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so here's just a little bit of that interview.

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Speaker 5: I cannot fathom how anybody got into that vehicle twice.

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Speaker 5: I mean I was literally sitting beside Dave Lockridge in

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Speaker 5: I said, how the hell did they do that? I

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Speaker 4: Really looking forward to that after two o'clock. Typically you

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Speaker 4: at this year's Field Days. It's revolutionizing farming and fishing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, drones are replacing a lot of things that aircraft

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Speaker 4: But right now, let's have a chat about this. A

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Speaker 4: wanted more money. The defendant worked for Larnet Castle Limited

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Speaker 4: All the while, he was secretly siphoning rather money for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is something we do regularly on this show

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Speaker 2: so you can look and hear stories of how people

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Speaker 2: in your own companies in your own life. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: It is a good PSA. So eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 4: And the betrayal afterwards? Nine two ninety two, But really,

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Speaker 2: I took this one personally because I grew up in

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Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 4: Love to hear how you've dealt with this situation, if

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Speaker 4: it's happened to you. It is twelve past one.

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Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 4: There'd be news talks. There'd be very good afternoon chew.

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Speaker 4: And we're talking about a former employe, a supervisor, who

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Speaker 4: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's important to talk about it so

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Speaker 2: problem in New Zealand's sitting. You're sitting our castles. Nobody

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Speaker 2: is safe, John, Welcome to the show there.

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Speaker 8: Hi.

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Speaker 9: Look, our story is quite simple. Had a lady trusted

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Speaker 9: we're builders, she was putting forward the invoices for us

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Speaker 9: bills that she would generate were for herself. And this

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Speaker 9: a firm called the Third Degree. Now, what we do

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Speaker 9: find out have they done it all before? So, like

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Speaker 2: Did the woman that ripped you off? Do you know

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Speaker 2: if she had done it before?

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Speaker 9: Yes, she had done it twice before, but we'd never

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Speaker 9: done any vetting. She yeah, And it's very common. They

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Speaker 9: they're also scans their social media to also see you.

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Speaker 2: So, just to go back a second, how did you

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Speaker 2: What enabled you to find out that you were being scammed?

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Speaker 9: that doesn't make sense. I didn't do that. So rang

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's amazing that people do it again. So they

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Speaker 9: That's the most common way, though I've heard is that

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Speaker 9: sure that they're all valid. And that's what happens. And

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Speaker 9: They move on and they do it again, they do

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Speaker 4: What was the feeling you had, John, when you found

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Speaker 9: You just devastated. And then it changes your whole view

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Speaker 9: of whether or not you should be trusting people. Devastating

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Speaker 9: and then financial pressure, the stress, and so I'd have

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Speaker 9: to say, you don't want to take on somebody in

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Speaker 2: And so did you have a you know, like a

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Speaker 9: Yes, trusting couple of years. But then, like I said,

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Speaker 9: when we got into it, we found out that she

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Speaker 9: had done it all before. Yeah, And so like I said,

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Speaker 9: all I can suggest is that you got to check

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry that happened to you.

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Speaker 4: Such a breach of trust, isn't it? And how much

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well o iight hundred and eighty ten eighty have

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Speaker 2: And did the person if they were doing your accounts,

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Speaker 4: Nineteen past one.

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Speaker 12: Not sure how many times we have to tell the government,

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Speaker 12: So would you rather pay fifty eight dollars or sixty

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Speaker 10: I think what we're seeing is at industrial admitos have

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Speaker 13: Talk z B.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, it's twenty three pass one. Have you been

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go. My wife, my ex wife, was

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Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like a great person. So when she was

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Speaker 4: Wow, hope you took it to the cleanest texter. I

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Speaker 2: Paul, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 11: Are you great?

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Speaker 13: Guys?

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Speaker 11: I just suggesting that you can do all of eating

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Speaker 2: Right, And how do you know that that's a trusted person?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 11: It would be yourself? I mean the difficulty with a

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Speaker 11: last thing you want is for somebody that you've trusted

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Speaker 2: To bind though, isn't it It's such a bind though,

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Speaker 2: isn't it poor? Because you know, you're trying to work

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Speaker 2: What if you could run a system where you it

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm sure with AO, I mean I'm retired and

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's a good point, and it is a

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Speaker 4: If you can't get through, keep trying, but really keen

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Speaker 4: It is twenty nine past one.

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Speaker 15: Blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble with a blue bubble.

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Speaker 15: sanctioning eighteen individuals and entities supporting Russia's war efforts against Ukraine,

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Speaker 13: It is King Arthur, and these are my knights of

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Speaker 16: This is the castle of my master, Lui de l'amba.

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Speaker 13: Go and tell your master that we have been charged

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Speaker 4: Grail well as Kim.

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Speaker 16: But I don't think you'll be very keen.

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Speaker 17: He's already good one.

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Speaker 16: Yes, it's paranassa.

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Speaker 6: I told him we already got on.

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Speaker 13: Well can we come out and have a look? Of course,

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Speaker 16: Well what are you then? I'm French? What do you

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Speaker 6: You're silly king? What are you doing in England? Man?

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Speaker 16: Your own business?

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Speaker 13: If you will not show us the grail, we shall

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Speaker 16: You don't frightnass English pig dogs, go and boil your

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Speaker 16: so called ather king. You and early are silly English.

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Speaker 17: You're mother was a humpster and your father smelt of alaberry?

440
00:22:13,173 --> 00:22:16,613
Speaker 2: Whether you go? All right? So holy Grail from not

441
00:22:16,813 --> 00:22:20,813
Speaker 2: severy five, because we're talking about a former Larnak Castle

442
00:22:21,813 --> 00:22:25,373
Speaker 2: supervisor who has admitted stealing ninety thousand dollars by diverting

443
00:22:25,613 --> 00:22:29,213
Speaker 2: online booking payments into his own bank accounts over three years.

444
00:22:29,213 --> 00:22:32,373
Speaker 2: And if our only castle can be hit by scams,

445
00:22:32,413 --> 00:22:33,373
Speaker 2: then who's safe?

446
00:22:33,453 --> 00:22:35,733
Speaker 4: Yeah? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

447
00:22:35,853 --> 00:22:38,333
Speaker 4: call if you have been ripped off in your business.

448
00:22:38,333 --> 00:22:41,173
Speaker 4: We're really keen to hear your story, what happened and

449
00:22:41,253 --> 00:22:43,853
Speaker 4: what happened afterwards as well. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten

450
00:22:43,893 --> 00:22:44,773
Speaker 4: eighty is the number.

451
00:22:44,933 --> 00:22:48,053
Speaker 2: Call Tony, welcome to the show. You had an employee

452
00:22:48,133 --> 00:22:48,813
Speaker 2: ripped you off.

453
00:22:50,493 --> 00:22:54,133
Speaker 8: Yeah, hey, guys didn't actually get any money in the end,

454
00:22:54,133 --> 00:22:57,093
Speaker 8: but he was the guy was. I become an employer,

455
00:22:57,213 --> 00:23:02,173
Speaker 8: got nine people in on staff, and this guy was

456
00:23:02,213 --> 00:23:07,053
Speaker 8: an accounts receivable. So basically creating the invoices and just

457
00:23:07,133 --> 00:23:10,853
Speaker 8: created a under a bit of financial pressure and personal

458
00:23:10,893 --> 00:23:16,533
Speaker 8: life and just created some dummy invoices to pay an entity.

459
00:23:16,853 --> 00:23:19,373
Speaker 8: So a company of his if you like, you know

460
00:23:19,533 --> 00:23:22,773
Speaker 8: one one man band is sort of a sole trader

461
00:23:22,813 --> 00:23:27,373
Speaker 8: of his own under his own name. So because you

462
00:23:27,453 --> 00:23:29,533
Speaker 8: had a call or a few calls back to set

463
00:23:29,533 --> 00:23:32,933
Speaker 8: about having sort of that two factor authorization, that's what

464
00:23:33,173 --> 00:23:35,053
Speaker 8: packed it up. You know, we picked up these two

465
00:23:35,533 --> 00:23:37,973
Speaker 8: these two invoices that worked for work. It's in the

466
00:23:38,013 --> 00:23:43,773
Speaker 8: service industry that that simply wasn't done. And the outcome

467
00:23:43,893 --> 00:23:46,253
Speaker 8: is that, you know, we've now strengthened all that two

468
00:23:46,333 --> 00:23:49,893
Speaker 8: factor authentication. I have to authorize all payments, which is

469
00:23:50,013 --> 00:23:52,453
Speaker 8: such a pain in the hours, all wages, everything has

470
00:23:52,493 --> 00:23:54,773
Speaker 8: to be has to be checked. So it's just added

471
00:23:54,773 --> 00:24:00,013
Speaker 8: another another layer of you know, another task to my role.

472
00:24:00,053 --> 00:24:02,413
Speaker 8: But you just feel so violated because you're in a

473
00:24:02,453 --> 00:24:05,533
Speaker 8: small team like that. You you like and trust everyone,

474
00:24:05,933 --> 00:24:08,093
Speaker 8: but that just has to be removed. And we've now

475
00:24:09,053 --> 00:24:13,373
Speaker 8: made some changes just around suppliers and what have you.

476
00:24:13,373 --> 00:24:16,093
Speaker 8: You know, we're had close relationships and it's just like,

477
00:24:16,133 --> 00:24:18,653
Speaker 8: well we can't we can't trust anyone now. So you've

478
00:24:18,653 --> 00:24:21,293
Speaker 8: got to have all these checks and balances in place.

479
00:24:21,693 --> 00:24:24,533
Speaker 8: But what really got me was that this guy. You know,

480
00:24:24,973 --> 00:24:29,253
Speaker 8: you've got to go through the whole disciplinary process once

481
00:24:29,293 --> 00:24:32,933
Speaker 8: you discover the evidence, if you like, and you know,

482
00:24:32,973 --> 00:24:35,693
Speaker 8: you can't just say we've caught you stealing. You've got

483
00:24:35,693 --> 00:24:38,813
Speaker 8: to and you're immediately fired. You've actually got to go

484
00:24:38,813 --> 00:24:41,812
Speaker 8: through the whole process. Here's the evidence, you know, this is,

485
00:24:42,053 --> 00:24:43,933
Speaker 8: this is what we suspect. Have you got anything to

486
00:24:43,973 --> 00:24:47,253
Speaker 8: say for yourself, and they're allowed to have advocates for them,

487
00:24:47,333 --> 00:24:49,453
Speaker 8: and blah blah blah. In the end, we just took

488
00:24:49,453 --> 00:24:51,532
Speaker 8: them aside and said, look, you know, we've got this

489
00:24:51,613 --> 00:24:54,253
Speaker 8: pretty compelling evidence. You know, you're basically called with your

490
00:24:54,253 --> 00:24:57,973
Speaker 8: hand in the tell unless you can prove otherwise. You're

491
00:24:58,013 --> 00:24:59,653
Speaker 8: out of here. And that was all off the recording.

492
00:24:59,733 --> 00:25:02,853
Speaker 8: So the guy chose to resign. But for the next

493
00:25:02,853 --> 00:25:05,173
Speaker 8: two or three days this is we did sort of

494
00:25:05,173 --> 00:25:07,333
Speaker 8: a bit of a wind up and the handover of

495
00:25:07,373 --> 00:25:10,173
Speaker 8: the of the wrong he was like, it was just

496
00:25:10,253 --> 00:25:12,613
Speaker 8: no big deal. He said, you know, we didn't didn't

497
00:25:12,653 --> 00:25:14,373
Speaker 8: match him upside or anything like that and lock him

498
00:25:14,373 --> 00:25:18,693
Speaker 8: out of the building because we couldn't, you know, realistically

499
00:25:18,733 --> 00:25:20,133
Speaker 8: do that. But he wanted to sit at the lunch

500
00:25:20,173 --> 00:25:22,572
Speaker 8: table with us and have lunch, and it was just

501
00:25:22,933 --> 00:25:26,933
Speaker 8: it was just like a normal carry on, no big deal.

502
00:25:27,093 --> 00:25:30,013
Speaker 8: And that was like, I was just astonished.

503
00:25:31,013 --> 00:25:33,533
Speaker 2: So do you think he just didn't feel any guilty.

504
00:25:33,613 --> 00:25:36,853
Speaker 2: Was a person that was born without empathy and a

505
00:25:36,893 --> 00:25:40,373
Speaker 2: sense of responsibility or what? That seems crazy?

506
00:25:41,893 --> 00:25:45,133
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know. I just couldn't understand it. And

507
00:25:45,733 --> 00:25:48,853
Speaker 8: like I I refused to shake of hand when as

508
00:25:48,853 --> 00:25:52,653
Speaker 8: he left, I just averted my gaze and just you know,

509
00:25:52,893 --> 00:25:55,053
Speaker 8: you're out of his son, I want nothing more to

510
00:25:55,093 --> 00:25:57,173
Speaker 8: do with you. But it was just like he just

511
00:25:57,573 --> 00:26:01,453
Speaker 8: you know, it just wasn't an issue that he had

512
00:26:01,533 --> 00:26:04,893
Speaker 8: ripped off his or attempted to rip off a really

513
00:26:04,933 --> 00:26:07,893
Speaker 8: close colleagues and we were just all just horrified. So

514
00:26:08,493 --> 00:26:11,693
Speaker 8: I don't know, I you knows narcisst or lack empathy

515
00:26:11,853 --> 00:26:16,733
Speaker 8: or I don't know how we stacks up like psychologically,

516
00:26:17,253 --> 00:26:19,613
Speaker 8: but that was what got me. It was just like,

517
00:26:19,653 --> 00:26:21,813
Speaker 8: there's no big deal. And again, one of your callers

518
00:26:21,813 --> 00:26:23,933
Speaker 8: earlier on is like, just move on to the next one.

519
00:26:24,093 --> 00:26:25,413
Speaker 8: I don't know if you woant or not. And the

520
00:26:25,453 --> 00:26:29,173
Speaker 8: thing was because we got this resignation that it wasn't

521
00:26:29,213 --> 00:26:33,853
Speaker 8: a termination, so it won't show on his you know,

522
00:26:33,933 --> 00:26:36,573
Speaker 8: on his CV if you like, because that was the

523
00:26:36,613 --> 00:26:39,173
Speaker 8: easiest way for us to exit him.

524
00:26:39,293 --> 00:26:41,733
Speaker 2: Was that I see what he's saying. Yeah, because I've

525
00:26:41,733 --> 00:26:43,773
Speaker 2: seen that happen before, just because you need them out

526
00:26:43,813 --> 00:26:45,613
Speaker 2: of the company and you want them to go. So

527
00:26:46,733 --> 00:26:50,293
Speaker 2: you know, often people will leave a business with a

528
00:26:50,333 --> 00:26:54,693
Speaker 2: really good CV just because the previous company just will

529
00:26:54,733 --> 00:26:56,532
Speaker 2: do anything to get get rid of them. So then

530
00:26:56,573 --> 00:26:58,093
Speaker 2: the next company reads the CV and go O, this

531
00:26:58,133 --> 00:26:58,893
Speaker 2: person's amazing.

532
00:27:00,293 --> 00:27:02,933
Speaker 4: Was it was it hard to sorry to jump in there?

533
00:27:03,013 --> 00:27:04,853
Speaker 4: Was that hard to not follow it up with the

534
00:27:04,893 --> 00:27:08,173
Speaker 4: police or you know, some sense of revenge or utu

535
00:27:08,213 --> 00:27:09,293
Speaker 4: on on what this guy did.

536
00:27:10,573 --> 00:27:12,812
Speaker 8: Well, you gotta you gotta kind of balance it out,

537
00:27:12,853 --> 00:27:15,253
Speaker 8: do you know, what's the what's the least impact on

538
00:27:15,333 --> 00:27:18,253
Speaker 8: the company. So, I mean, he didn't get any money

539
00:27:18,293 --> 00:27:20,493
Speaker 8: in the end, but but he definitely tried with two

540
00:27:20,493 --> 00:27:23,413
Speaker 8: invoices and we took a lot of advice on it

541
00:27:23,533 --> 00:27:27,413
Speaker 8: and like attempted what of that test of the servant,

542
00:27:27,453 --> 00:27:30,693
Speaker 8: I guess attempted test. Theft to the servant is kind

543
00:27:30,693 --> 00:27:33,093
Speaker 8: of a lot lower down the food chain for something

544
00:27:33,093 --> 00:27:35,333
Speaker 8: for the police to investigate. In the end, we just

545
00:27:35,373 --> 00:27:37,253
Speaker 8: wanted him gone, you know, we wanted to try and

546
00:27:37,253 --> 00:27:42,653
Speaker 8: get to recruit a new staff member and just not

547
00:27:43,093 --> 00:27:45,413
Speaker 8: There was no no real damage as such as that

548
00:27:45,453 --> 00:27:48,573
Speaker 8: you're losing a staff, but you know you're a sill

549
00:27:48,613 --> 00:27:51,773
Speaker 8: of role. We just wanted to get on with the process.

550
00:27:51,853 --> 00:27:55,053
Speaker 8: So we just accepted a resignation and gave him the

551
00:27:55,093 --> 00:27:55,533
Speaker 8: heat home.

552
00:27:56,493 --> 00:28:00,253
Speaker 2: Thanks for you, cool, Tony. This business is where is

553
00:28:00,493 --> 00:28:03,493
Speaker 2: this text was interesting? This person here we go got

554
00:28:03,573 --> 00:28:06,893
Speaker 2: ripped off ten minutes ago. Bakery in the hut. Little

555
00:28:06,933 --> 00:28:09,093
Speaker 2: Bastard's got four pis and more drinks.

556
00:28:08,813 --> 00:28:10,573
Speaker 4: Than just ran on that is due.

557
00:28:10,573 --> 00:28:13,093
Speaker 2: Well, well, well that's that's a different type of that's

558
00:28:13,173 --> 00:28:18,413
Speaker 2: terrible and what a horrible little bastards as you say, yeah,

559
00:28:18,413 --> 00:28:24,533
Speaker 2: but yeah, it slightly more brazen than someone I'm setting

560
00:28:24,613 --> 00:28:26,333
Speaker 2: up bank accounts and making falsome voice, so.

561
00:28:26,373 --> 00:28:28,573
Speaker 4: That is a head and run situation. But really keen

562
00:28:28,573 --> 00:28:31,133
Speaker 4: to check with you? I wait hundred eighty ten eighty.

563
00:28:31,373 --> 00:28:33,653
Speaker 4: If you've been betrayed by one of your employees and

564
00:28:33,693 --> 00:28:36,493
Speaker 4: they've ripped you off, love to hear from you, and

565
00:28:36,693 --> 00:28:40,493
Speaker 4: also the process involved in whether the police followed it up,

566
00:28:40,533 --> 00:28:42,853
Speaker 4: and the lessons that you learned after that happened. Really

567
00:28:42,933 --> 00:28:45,413
Speaker 4: keen to have a chat. It is nineteen to two.

568
00:28:45,733 --> 00:28:47,733
Speaker 2: Man, we've got a hospice that's been ripped off here.

569
00:28:47,773 --> 00:28:49,613
Speaker 2: Who would rip off a hospice?

570
00:28:50,813 --> 00:28:53,413
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty

571
00:28:53,453 --> 00:28:57,333
Speaker 1: ten eighty Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons nes talk, sa'd

572
00:28:57,373 --> 00:28:58,213
Speaker 1: be very.

573
00:28:58,053 --> 00:29:00,413
Speaker 4: Good afternoon to you. Has an employee you ripped you off?

574
00:29:00,413 --> 00:29:03,813
Speaker 4: How did you deal with it? The betrayal, the process afterwards?

575
00:29:03,853 --> 00:29:06,413
Speaker 4: I wait hundred eighty ten eighty. It is on the

576
00:29:06,413 --> 00:29:09,213
Speaker 4: back of a story out of Duned and love Castle

577
00:29:09,533 --> 00:29:12,093
Speaker 4: has been ripped off by the tune of nearly ninety

578
00:29:12,133 --> 00:29:15,613
Speaker 4: thousand dollars from an employer who was siphoning off cash

579
00:29:15,653 --> 00:29:17,693
Speaker 4: for more than three years really can never chat with you.

580
00:29:17,773 --> 00:29:20,693
Speaker 4: Text here from Christine Rankin. She says, yet, o, guys,

581
00:29:20,733 --> 00:29:23,893
Speaker 4: ours was a hospice shop stealing cash for seven point

582
00:29:23,933 --> 00:29:27,013
Speaker 4: five years, No one had a clue, destroyed all the

583
00:29:27,053 --> 00:29:30,533
Speaker 4: evidence after a change of audit process, then confessed, but

584
00:29:30,693 --> 00:29:33,533
Speaker 4: only to what he wanted to disclose. The actual amount

585
00:29:33,813 --> 00:29:36,853
Speaker 4: was huge, absolutely devastating for the organization.

586
00:29:36,933 --> 00:29:40,533
Speaker 2: From Christine, how do you rip off the hospice and

587
00:29:40,573 --> 00:29:43,053
Speaker 2: not and look at yourself in the mirror in the morning.

588
00:29:43,093 --> 00:29:46,813
Speaker 2: I mean stealing from any company you know as terrible,

589
00:29:46,893 --> 00:29:49,653
Speaker 2: right obviously? Yeah, and you know, especially the small companies

590
00:29:49,693 --> 00:29:51,773
Speaker 2: where you're working with people and you know them, and

591
00:29:52,693 --> 00:29:56,653
Speaker 2: these stories that we're hearing, But going and ripping off

592
00:29:56,733 --> 00:29:59,933
Speaker 2: a hospice, is there not some part of these people

593
00:29:59,973 --> 00:30:04,093
Speaker 2: that just goes, I am going to help I absolute psychopath.

594
00:30:04,173 --> 00:30:06,533
Speaker 4: They must be. There's no other reason for it.

595
00:30:06,973 --> 00:30:12,773
Speaker 2: I would find it very hard to say sleep at night. Yeah, obviously, Rob.

596
00:30:12,893 --> 00:30:13,853
Speaker 2: How are you this afternoon?

597
00:30:15,093 --> 00:30:18,373
Speaker 10: Ye're gooday, guys, well, thank you yourselves very good?

598
00:30:18,493 --> 00:30:21,253
Speaker 4: And what's your thoughts when it comes to employees ripping

599
00:30:21,293 --> 00:30:22,173
Speaker 4: off business owners?

600
00:30:23,013 --> 00:30:23,213
Speaker 11: Yeah?

601
00:30:23,453 --> 00:30:25,573
Speaker 10: Just a couple of quick comments are own a business

602
00:30:25,613 --> 00:30:28,853
Speaker 10: management company. We've got about forty people across New Zealand

603
00:30:29,373 --> 00:30:33,253
Speaker 10: and we specialize in providing advice to SEME business owners.

604
00:30:33,413 --> 00:30:39,373
Speaker 10: And my comment would be that unfortunately, most SMEs in

605
00:30:39,453 --> 00:30:42,533
Speaker 10: New Zealand, I'd say over eighty percent have really poor

606
00:30:42,613 --> 00:30:47,013
Speaker 10: systems when it comes to this, and having poor systems

607
00:30:47,013 --> 00:30:51,613
Speaker 10: creates temptation as simple as that. It's possible to have

608
00:30:51,733 --> 00:30:55,853
Speaker 10: processes that it's almost impossible to steal. But if you

609
00:30:55,933 --> 00:30:59,453
Speaker 10: have slack systems, you create temptation and people will have

610
00:30:59,533 --> 00:31:00,973
Speaker 10: a go and that's life.

611
00:31:01,053 --> 00:31:01,893
Speaker 19: Unfortunately.

612
00:31:03,653 --> 00:31:06,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess you know, people start a company,

613
00:31:06,693 --> 00:31:08,453
Speaker 2: you know, they're wanting to get clients, they want to

614
00:31:08,453 --> 00:31:11,653
Speaker 2: to get going, and then it just gets overwhelming and

615
00:31:11,653 --> 00:31:13,933
Speaker 2: they're working really hard and they never really get around

616
00:31:13,933 --> 00:31:15,333
Speaker 2: to putting the systems in place.

617
00:31:15,373 --> 00:31:19,693
Speaker 10: I guess absolutely correct. Start as a one man, two

618
00:31:19,813 --> 00:31:22,373
Speaker 10: man band. All of a sudden you've got fifteen staff

619
00:31:22,853 --> 00:31:26,093
Speaker 10: and you haven't got the processes that you need, from

620
00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:30,293
Speaker 10: purchase orders to duel payment systems.

621
00:31:30,733 --> 00:31:32,533
Speaker 19: There's heaps of software.

622
00:31:32,173 --> 00:31:35,573
Speaker 10: That can help you do this. But you know, guys

623
00:31:35,573 --> 00:31:38,373
Speaker 10: start businesses, they're really good plumbers and they stay really

624
00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:41,653
Speaker 10: good plumbers, you know, and unfortunately they expose themselves.

625
00:31:42,533 --> 00:31:44,853
Speaker 2: How much time do you think it would take for

626
00:31:45,133 --> 00:31:47,293
Speaker 2: a person in this kind of the situation you're talking

627
00:31:47,333 --> 00:31:49,533
Speaker 2: about there, like a plumber for example, that's just getting

628
00:31:49,533 --> 00:31:52,853
Speaker 2: more employees on how much time out of there their

629
00:31:53,093 --> 00:31:56,013
Speaker 2: their they're working week would it take to just put

630
00:31:56,013 --> 00:31:57,813
Speaker 2: good systems in place? Could you do it in a day?

631
00:31:57,853 --> 00:31:59,413
Speaker 2: Could you? Could you turn it around in a day

632
00:31:59,573 --> 00:32:00,973
Speaker 2: just those systems in place if.

633
00:32:00,893 --> 00:32:03,733
Speaker 10: You had if you had a reasonable size business and

634
00:32:03,813 --> 00:32:06,813
Speaker 10: you didn't have the systems in place, you would be

635
00:32:06,853 --> 00:32:09,533
Speaker 10: silly to try and do that self. Get somebody in

636
00:32:09,573 --> 00:32:11,653
Speaker 10: to set them up for you, and then once they're

637
00:32:11,693 --> 00:32:14,693
Speaker 10: set up, they don't take much time to maintain. It's

638
00:32:14,693 --> 00:32:16,413
Speaker 10: not like you've got to spend a day a week

639
00:32:16,493 --> 00:32:19,093
Speaker 10: on your admin. You can do your admin in an

640
00:32:19,173 --> 00:32:22,333
Speaker 10: hour a week if you've got your right process or someplace.

641
00:32:23,133 --> 00:32:25,573
Speaker 4: Would you recommend ROB because I take it you do

642
00:32:25,653 --> 00:32:28,653
Speaker 4: this for a profession, right you advise companies on these elements?

643
00:32:28,813 --> 00:32:31,973
Speaker 4: Would you advise the smaller companies to get somebody into

644
00:32:32,333 --> 00:32:34,293
Speaker 4: have an audit once a year just to make sure

645
00:32:34,333 --> 00:32:36,813
Speaker 4: it's all, you know, going well. When there's no red

646
00:32:36,853 --> 00:32:37,653
Speaker 4: flags popping up.

647
00:32:38,813 --> 00:32:41,573
Speaker 10: You wouldn't need it once a year, but you need

648
00:32:41,653 --> 00:32:44,573
Speaker 10: somebody in to do an audit and then set it

649
00:32:44,693 --> 00:32:48,173
Speaker 10: up for you so that you don't provide temptation.

650
00:32:48,893 --> 00:32:52,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is interesting that rob. So you know you

651
00:32:52,213 --> 00:32:52,773
Speaker 2: might run.

652
00:32:52,573 --> 00:32:56,653
Speaker 10: As I mean, society being what it is. If you

653
00:32:56,733 --> 00:33:00,053
Speaker 10: employ ten people, two of them will be thieves if

654
00:33:00,093 --> 00:33:01,253
Speaker 10: they can get away with it.

655
00:33:01,373 --> 00:33:02,853
Speaker 4: Well that's good.

656
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Speaker 2: It's a depressing that's a pressing idea, isn't it.

657
00:33:06,013 --> 00:33:09,013
Speaker 11: But you and also you could life, I'm afraid.

658
00:33:09,973 --> 00:33:11,773
Speaker 2: But also you could be doing all the right things.

659
00:33:11,773 --> 00:33:15,573
Speaker 2: Say you are running accounting software and you're coding it,

660
00:33:15,613 --> 00:33:18,013
Speaker 2: and you're you're taking that away to save money from

661
00:33:18,053 --> 00:33:20,013
Speaker 2: accounting fees or whatever and having your eye over it.

662
00:33:20,173 --> 00:33:20,373
Speaker 5: Yep.

663
00:33:20,453 --> 00:33:22,213
Speaker 2: But then we had that guy that called him before

664
00:33:22,413 --> 00:33:27,533
Speaker 2: and his wife that was ripping off was running wages. Wages.

665
00:33:28,613 --> 00:33:30,853
Speaker 2: He was going through and coding that and going that's

666
00:33:30,933 --> 00:33:32,173
Speaker 2: just just wages, you know.

667
00:33:32,413 --> 00:33:36,213
Speaker 10: So no, because you can have systems that prevent that,

668
00:33:36,333 --> 00:33:41,493
Speaker 10: you know, from purchase orders to guys log their own hours,

669
00:33:41,533 --> 00:33:44,533
Speaker 10: so therefore they're creating their own time. So the wages

670
00:33:44,613 --> 00:33:48,853
Speaker 10: Clark can't dev eight from what's been recorded on there's lots.

671
00:33:49,093 --> 00:33:50,933
Speaker 10: I don't want to go on and on, but you

672
00:33:51,053 --> 00:33:53,373
Speaker 10: can prevent you can prevent all of it.

673
00:33:53,973 --> 00:33:57,373
Speaker 4: Yeah, Rob really want to. Yeah, Rob, really great to

674
00:33:57,413 --> 00:34:00,893
Speaker 4: get your expertise. Thanks for giving us a buzz cheers.

675
00:34:00,933 --> 00:34:02,693
Speaker 4: But oh eight hundred.

676
00:34:04,453 --> 00:34:08,813
Speaker 1: Maddies Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty.

677
00:34:08,933 --> 00:34:12,853
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathan Taylor Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

678
00:34:13,213 --> 00:34:16,533
Speaker 4: News TALKSB. We're talking about employees that have ripped you

679
00:34:16,613 --> 00:34:19,133
Speaker 4: off in your business A PSA, because it's happening more

680
00:34:19,133 --> 00:34:21,652
Speaker 4: and more often. What lessons did you learn? Well, how

681
00:34:21,693 --> 00:34:24,093
Speaker 4: did it happen? What was the process involved? Loved eag

682
00:34:24,093 --> 00:34:26,093
Speaker 4: your stories on O eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

683
00:34:26,453 --> 00:34:29,933
Speaker 2: I've just looked up this Topoor hospice trust manager emitting

684
00:34:29,973 --> 00:34:34,813
Speaker 2: stealing six thousand dollars from the opshop takings. That is

685
00:34:35,013 --> 00:34:36,253
Speaker 2: that is not phenomenal.

686
00:34:38,093 --> 00:34:40,773
Speaker 4: Wow, How horrible of you human being? Do you need

687
00:34:40,813 --> 00:34:42,213
Speaker 4: to be to steal from a hospice?

688
00:34:42,253 --> 00:34:43,853
Speaker 2: So it started off taking one hundred weeks, and it

689
00:34:43,893 --> 00:34:45,652
Speaker 2: was one hundred and fifty a week, two hundred a week,

690
00:34:45,653 --> 00:34:49,013
Speaker 2: two fifty a week, and then have sixty two thousan

691
00:34:49,133 --> 00:34:51,812
Speaker 2: six hundred dollars he stole from a hospice. This guy,

692
00:34:52,173 --> 00:34:54,093
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna have a go out pronouncing his name

693
00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:58,133
Speaker 2: mark Whenuski, Mark, Whenwski.

694
00:34:58,653 --> 00:35:01,053
Speaker 4: You can't go stealing from a hospice. That's as low

695
00:35:01,093 --> 00:35:03,453
Speaker 4: as you can get, isn't it. There's plenty of texts

696
00:35:03,453 --> 00:35:06,173
Speaker 4: coming through. We'll get to a couple of those shortly. Joe,

697
00:35:06,333 --> 00:35:07,172
Speaker 4: you got ripped off?

698
00:35:07,333 --> 00:35:09,013
Speaker 9: Hi, Yes we did.

699
00:35:09,253 --> 00:35:09,573
Speaker 7: Yes.

700
00:35:10,093 --> 00:35:13,253
Speaker 20: So we had an employee worked for us for nearly

701
00:35:13,373 --> 00:35:17,573
Speaker 20: ten years. He decided to go out and do his

702
00:35:17,613 --> 00:35:21,093
Speaker 20: own thing, which was fine, We're like really encouraging towards that.

703
00:35:21,333 --> 00:35:26,133
Speaker 20: I'm you know, go and join the business owner's worldship.

704
00:35:27,053 --> 00:35:30,053
Speaker 20: And then it was probably about a month until after

705
00:35:30,133 --> 00:35:33,933
Speaker 20: year left, I got a phone call from a client

706
00:35:34,053 --> 00:35:38,173
Speaker 20: saying that he needed us to move a machinery that

707
00:35:38,213 --> 00:35:40,973
Speaker 20: we've got for him in the past. I was like, yep, sweet,

708
00:35:41,013 --> 00:35:44,493
Speaker 20: we can do that. What's the name of the company,

709
00:35:44,533 --> 00:35:45,172
Speaker 20: blah blah blah.

710
00:35:45,133 --> 00:35:45,652
Speaker 18: Looked it up.

711
00:35:45,733 --> 00:35:48,573
Speaker 20: I was like, oh, I don't have an invoice for you.

712
00:35:48,653 --> 00:35:50,573
Speaker 20: I'll have to rescind it.

713
00:35:50,733 --> 00:35:51,093
Speaker 10: So, oh no.

714
00:35:51,133 --> 00:35:55,093
Speaker 20: I paid this back in April and I was like, oh, okay,

715
00:35:55,213 --> 00:35:58,533
Speaker 20: I start, Can you just email me the invoice so

716
00:35:58,573 --> 00:36:00,652
Speaker 20: that I can We'll check that I've put it under

717
00:36:00,653 --> 00:36:03,933
Speaker 20: the right name or whatever. And he was like, yep, yep, yep.

718
00:36:04,093 --> 00:36:06,732
Speaker 20: And I got the invoice and I was like, hang

719
00:36:06,773 --> 00:36:10,652
Speaker 20: on a minute, this is not us. Our name had everything,

720
00:36:11,533 --> 00:36:14,373
Speaker 20: but the bank account was different, and it was like, well,

721
00:36:14,413 --> 00:36:18,333
Speaker 20: what the hell was going on here? And then our

722
00:36:18,413 --> 00:36:21,733
Speaker 20: general manager got another one the same day about well, no,

723
00:36:21,853 --> 00:36:25,053
Speaker 20: twenty minutes later. It was like, and so what he

724
00:36:25,093 --> 00:36:28,613
Speaker 20: was doing was he was making up fake invoices just

725
00:36:28,653 --> 00:36:33,653
Speaker 20: through word and had all our details, our gest number,

726
00:36:33,893 --> 00:36:37,333
Speaker 20: our name of our company, our address. They had his

727
00:36:37,493 --> 00:36:41,253
Speaker 20: bank account number at the bottom. And they were clients

728
00:36:41,253 --> 00:36:43,573
Speaker 20: that had near that we had never worked for so

729
00:36:43,613 --> 00:36:49,213
Speaker 20: they before, so they had never seen our invoice, the

730
00:36:49,293 --> 00:36:53,293
Speaker 20: real invoice going out to them. And so we did

731
00:36:53,293 --> 00:36:56,893
Speaker 20: some diving into where he was and what it was doing,

732
00:36:57,093 --> 00:37:01,453
Speaker 20: and came out to be just over four hundred thousand.

733
00:37:02,053 --> 00:37:06,333
Speaker 20: And by the time you added the wages, because I

734
00:37:06,373 --> 00:37:11,413
Speaker 20: paid wages I paid. He used subcontractors, so I played

735
00:37:11,413 --> 00:37:14,853
Speaker 20: the some contractors, I played Ferry crossings, I played for hotels.

736
00:37:15,893 --> 00:37:18,813
Speaker 20: He was just pocketing it all, absolutely every cent.

737
00:37:19,133 --> 00:37:21,853
Speaker 2: And did you manage to get that money back and

738
00:37:22,613 --> 00:37:25,453
Speaker 2: return it to the people that should have had it.

739
00:37:26,933 --> 00:37:30,253
Speaker 20: No, no, it was so we took him, took it

740
00:37:30,293 --> 00:37:35,373
Speaker 20: to the place the police arrested him. After they'd done

741
00:37:35,373 --> 00:37:39,213
Speaker 20: the investigation and everything like that. He tried to deny

742
00:37:39,253 --> 00:37:41,493
Speaker 20: it to the police and they're like, well, that's a

743
00:37:41,493 --> 00:37:43,573
Speaker 20: bit stupid because we've got evidence here and this is

744
00:37:43,613 --> 00:37:45,533
Speaker 20: your bank account number, and we've been to your bank,

745
00:37:47,493 --> 00:37:51,013
Speaker 20: and then went to court. Took nearly probably close to

746
00:37:51,053 --> 00:37:55,293
Speaker 20: a year before he was prosecuted. He had to pay

747
00:37:55,493 --> 00:37:59,773
Speaker 20: us back seventy thousand upfront, which he said he had saved,

748
00:37:59,773 --> 00:38:02,053
Speaker 20: and I was like, yeah, okay, that's actually our money

749
00:38:02,173 --> 00:38:06,613
Speaker 20: that you have pocketed, but never mind. And he has

750
00:38:06,653 --> 00:38:09,173
Speaker 20: to pay seven hundred dollars a week for an five years,

751
00:38:09,893 --> 00:38:13,053
Speaker 20: but he will be around just over one hundred thousand short.

752
00:38:13,253 --> 00:38:16,093
Speaker 20: So I don't quite know what happens there. And the

753
00:38:16,173 --> 00:38:21,253
Speaker 20: police we were going for jail time because we were okay, whatever,

754
00:38:21,693 --> 00:38:23,652
Speaker 20: it would be great to have money, but we want

755
00:38:23,693 --> 00:38:28,413
Speaker 20: him in jail. The judge was very lenient and he

756
00:38:28,493 --> 00:38:31,973
Speaker 20: got nine months home to tension, but still could go

757
00:38:32,053 --> 00:38:34,453
Speaker 20: out and work every day.

758
00:38:34,693 --> 00:38:37,652
Speaker 4: Joe, I'm so sorry. That happened to you. What a

759
00:38:37,693 --> 00:38:39,133
Speaker 4: devastating thing to have to face.

760
00:38:40,653 --> 00:38:46,853
Speaker 20: The worst part and this is what absolutely throws me

761
00:38:47,413 --> 00:38:50,453
Speaker 20: to even think he could do this was my husband

762
00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:54,533
Speaker 20: had actually been in a very nasty accident. So he

763
00:38:54,773 --> 00:38:58,133
Speaker 20: started when my husband was in an inducing Oh man.

764
00:38:58,093 --> 00:39:00,293
Speaker 4: Joe, I'm so sorry to hear that. How devastating.

765
00:39:00,333 --> 00:39:01,293
Speaker 2: That is not a good person.

766
00:39:01,453 --> 00:39:05,013
Speaker 4: Absolute scumbags. New Sport and Weather on its way. You're

767
00:39:05,013 --> 00:39:06,453
Speaker 4: listening to Matt and Tyler.

768
00:39:08,413 --> 00:39:10,053
Speaker 6: Talking with you all afternoon.

769
00:39:10,373 --> 00:39:13,933
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons News Dogs.

770
00:39:13,973 --> 00:39:17,733
Speaker 4: It'd be very good afternoons. You welcome into the program.

771
00:39:17,773 --> 00:39:20,613
Speaker 4: Great to have your company. As always, we had such

772
00:39:20,853 --> 00:39:24,813
Speaker 4: an outpouring of stories about being ripped off by business

773
00:39:24,853 --> 00:39:26,413
Speaker 4: as it was of course on the back of Larnak

774
00:39:26,453 --> 00:39:29,173
Speaker 4: Castle and employee rip them off to the tune of

775
00:39:29,293 --> 00:39:32,413
Speaker 4: ninety thousand dollars to Lara Castle.

776
00:39:32,453 --> 00:39:32,692
Speaker 19: Tyler.

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00:39:32,853 --> 00:39:35,853
Speaker 4: I have not, and I'm ashamed to say that it's a.

778
00:39:35,893 --> 00:39:39,933
Speaker 2: Very cool place. I mean, I always worry when people

779
00:39:40,013 --> 00:39:45,093
Speaker 2: from let's say Scotland or Germany or tourists from the

780
00:39:45,173 --> 00:39:47,613
Speaker 2: UK come over here and we go come out and

781
00:39:47,613 --> 00:39:50,213
Speaker 2: see our castle and they go, well, Is that a

782
00:39:50,253 --> 00:39:52,333
Speaker 2: castle or is that just a pretty flashouse with some

783
00:39:52,333 --> 00:39:53,172
Speaker 2: turrets on the side.

784
00:39:53,253 --> 00:39:54,613
Speaker 4: Pretty hard to compete with Europe.

785
00:39:54,733 --> 00:39:57,652
Speaker 2: It's not from the Norman era, you know, it's not.

786
00:39:57,973 --> 00:40:00,093
Speaker 2: It's not some of the incredible castles that you see

787
00:40:00,133 --> 00:40:02,373
Speaker 2: over there. But it's a very cool building that's got

788
00:40:02,373 --> 00:40:06,493
Speaker 2: a fantastic tragic story about it. But this dirty dog

789
00:40:06,573 --> 00:40:10,813
Speaker 2: that's stolen eighty six thousand dollars from them. Yeah, just

790
00:40:10,853 --> 00:40:14,933
Speaker 2: shows you that anywhere is susceptible to fraud.

791
00:40:15,133 --> 00:40:18,013
Speaker 4: Yep, no one is safe. A couple of texts here, guys.

792
00:40:18,093 --> 00:40:20,413
Speaker 4: We had a manager running our business unaware to us.

793
00:40:20,493 --> 00:40:23,573
Speaker 4: She got customers to deposit money into her own personal

794
00:40:23,613 --> 00:40:26,133
Speaker 4: bank account. When she became aware we were investigating this,

795
00:40:26,173 --> 00:40:28,053
Speaker 4: she quit. We took it to the police, who said

796
00:40:28,053 --> 00:40:30,173
Speaker 4: it was stealing and would give her a warning. She

797
00:40:30,253 --> 00:40:32,933
Speaker 4: then had the cheek to go for a personal grievance,

798
00:40:33,013 --> 00:40:35,373
Speaker 4: which we are still dealing with and six months later

799
00:40:35,453 --> 00:40:38,813
Speaker 4: are still trying to say it was never the business money.

800
00:40:39,333 --> 00:40:42,093
Speaker 2: Hey, Tyler and Matt, there is a new Zealand made

801
00:40:42,093 --> 00:40:45,133
Speaker 2: software that detects mistakes aras in fraud before instructing your

802
00:40:45,173 --> 00:40:48,613
Speaker 2: bank to pay employees and suppliers. The software is all

803
00:40:48,653 --> 00:40:51,493
Speaker 2: about prevention. I think New Zealand business leaders believe financial

804
00:40:51,573 --> 00:40:55,333
Speaker 2: fraud won't happen to their organization, so taking a preventative

805
00:40:55,333 --> 00:40:58,133
Speaker 2: approach is not normal yet the obvious thing to do.

806
00:40:58,493 --> 00:41:00,732
Speaker 2: If any of your listeners are interested in knowing more,

807
00:41:00,773 --> 00:41:04,093
Speaker 2: here is the website vigilantpay dot com.

808
00:41:04,093 --> 00:41:06,813
Speaker 4: Thanks for that, Ray, Yeah, very good, and thank you

809
00:41:06,853 --> 00:41:09,573
Speaker 4: to everybody who texts through as well.

810
00:41:09,693 --> 00:41:11,813
Speaker 2: A couple more we had a security manager and a

811
00:41:11,813 --> 00:41:15,133
Speaker 2: log organization who was a retired police officer. He explained

812
00:41:15,173 --> 00:41:17,333
Speaker 2: that in today's world, whether we like it or not,

813
00:41:17,373 --> 00:41:19,693
Speaker 2: we are faced with a situation where ten percent of

814
00:41:19,693 --> 00:41:22,373
Speaker 2: the population are honest and never steal, ten percent of

815
00:41:22,373 --> 00:41:24,652
Speaker 2: the population are thieves and steel all the time. The

816
00:41:24,733 --> 00:41:27,613
Speaker 2: remaining eighty percent will help themselves if you make it

817
00:41:27,653 --> 00:41:31,293
Speaker 2: easy for them. It's a depressing stat Yeah, this is

818
00:41:31,413 --> 00:41:36,253
Speaker 2: simply confirming what your recent interview specialists stated. So what

819
00:41:36,413 --> 00:41:39,333
Speaker 2: ten percent of the population will never steal? Would you

820
00:41:39,333 --> 00:41:39,772
Speaker 2: ever steal?

821
00:41:39,813 --> 00:41:41,453
Speaker 4: Tailand no? Hell no?

822
00:41:41,893 --> 00:41:44,213
Speaker 2: A ten percent of the population are thieves and steel

823
00:41:44,213 --> 00:41:47,813
Speaker 2: all the time, and eighty percent are just looking for

824
00:41:47,853 --> 00:41:48,573
Speaker 2: an opportunity.

825
00:41:48,773 --> 00:41:50,133
Speaker 4: That is sad, isn't it?

826
00:41:50,213 --> 00:41:54,493
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. That seems that seems pretty depressing.

827
00:41:54,613 --> 00:41:56,653
Speaker 4: Ninety percent of my friends and family are thieves. I

828
00:41:56,693 --> 00:42:00,853
Speaker 4: don't know. Thank you very much to everybody who phoned

829
00:42:00,893 --> 00:42:03,212
Speaker 4: and called on that. One great discussion and a good

830
00:42:03,213 --> 00:42:06,293
Speaker 4: PSA because, as we said, it is happening on a

831
00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:10,533
Speaker 4: more common basis and some of these employees absolute betrayal,

832
00:42:11,013 --> 00:42:13,333
Speaker 4: but they are very tricky with how they try and

833
00:42:13,333 --> 00:42:16,053
Speaker 4: get away with it. Right now, let's have a chat

834
00:42:16,053 --> 00:42:18,413
Speaker 4: about drones. This is going to be a fascinating chat.

835
00:42:18,453 --> 00:42:20,853
Speaker 4: So drones. You might not think drones in the rural

836
00:42:20,853 --> 00:42:24,173
Speaker 4: sector go hand in hand, but the technology was center

837
00:42:24,253 --> 00:42:29,653
Speaker 4: stage at this year's Field Days where they are revolutionizing farming, fishing, hunting.

838
00:42:29,933 --> 00:42:34,893
Speaker 4: The list goes on. So according to exhibitor DJI Agriculture, DGI,

839
00:42:35,013 --> 00:42:38,173
Speaker 4: of course is a big drone manufacturer and technology company.

840
00:42:38,213 --> 00:42:42,173
Speaker 4: They have over three hundred thousand of its drones operating globally,

841
00:42:42,253 --> 00:42:46,173
Speaker 4: treating five hundred million hectares of farmland around the world.

842
00:42:46,253 --> 00:42:49,453
Speaker 4: That is incredible and by all accounts, they had a

843
00:42:49,573 --> 00:42:52,493
Speaker 4: lot of interest in their exhibit a Field Days.

844
00:42:52,773 --> 00:42:56,172
Speaker 2: Yes, so are you using drones in your business where

845
00:42:56,213 --> 00:42:58,613
Speaker 2: you weren't before? Because we're getting a lot of text

846
00:42:58,613 --> 00:43:00,933
Speaker 2: through on nineteen ninety two of interesting ways people are

847
00:43:01,013 --> 00:43:04,172
Speaker 2: using drones. So I mean, look, I don't know much

848
00:43:04,213 --> 00:43:06,813
Speaker 2: about rural drones, but I did see Clarkson's farm and

849
00:43:06,893 --> 00:43:09,533
Speaker 2: he had a drone that had a barking dog on

850
00:43:09,573 --> 00:43:13,333
Speaker 2: it and he tried to hurt his sheep with the drone.

851
00:43:13,933 --> 00:43:15,973
Speaker 2: But he's useless at farming, so he didn't do a

852
00:43:15,973 --> 00:43:18,813
Speaker 2: great job of it. But there's there. They're everywhere now,

853
00:43:18,853 --> 00:43:22,253
Speaker 2: aren't they. There's so many different utilities for them. And

854
00:43:22,293 --> 00:43:24,853
Speaker 2: it'll just be interested to hear from people that are

855
00:43:24,853 --> 00:43:28,013
Speaker 2: in the you know, the chopper industry and in the

856
00:43:28,773 --> 00:43:31,933
Speaker 2: you know, the plane industry, whether you're being replaced by

857
00:43:32,053 --> 00:43:35,333
Speaker 2: drones or what can you do that drones can't do?

858
00:43:35,373 --> 00:43:37,493
Speaker 2: Because if it gets to the point where drones can

859
00:43:38,733 --> 00:43:42,652
Speaker 2: you know, sprinkle the fertilizer around, spray the crops, Yeah,

860
00:43:43,293 --> 00:43:45,173
Speaker 2: then I mean that takes a whole part out of

861
00:43:45,173 --> 00:43:48,013
Speaker 2: the business. I guess there's there's there's a safety advantage

862
00:43:48,013 --> 00:43:49,813
Speaker 2: in that, because we do have a terrible problem in

863
00:43:49,853 --> 00:43:55,013
Speaker 2: New Zealand with choppers accidents and rural accidents with choppers,

864
00:43:55,013 --> 00:43:55,373
Speaker 2: don't we.

865
00:43:55,413 --> 00:43:58,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, But the technology is pretty incredible. And certainly you

866
00:43:58,133 --> 00:44:00,653
Speaker 4: hear of some vineyards using drones when there's a frost

867
00:44:01,373 --> 00:44:05,653
Speaker 4: to warm up the vines, and fishermen are using drones

868
00:44:05,733 --> 00:44:08,333
Speaker 4: more and more to take their line out. If you

869
00:44:07,973 --> 00:44:11,453
Speaker 4: are a surf custer, you can just instead of flinging

870
00:44:11,653 --> 00:44:13,053
Speaker 4: the rod as far as you can go out to

871
00:44:13,093 --> 00:44:16,213
Speaker 4: the ocean. They just attached the line to the drone

872
00:44:16,253 --> 00:44:16,973
Speaker 4: send it out to see.

873
00:44:17,013 --> 00:44:19,853
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm getting a lot of hate for questioning that

874
00:44:19,973 --> 00:44:23,653
Speaker 2: stat that said that ten percent of people are honest,

875
00:44:23,733 --> 00:44:25,373
Speaker 2: ten percent of people are thieving all the time. At

876
00:44:25,373 --> 00:44:28,493
Speaker 2: eighty percent is just looking for the chance. Ex police officer,

877
00:44:28,533 --> 00:44:34,613
Speaker 2: that status correct, That status correct. I have also seen

878
00:44:34,653 --> 00:44:37,493
Speaker 2: that stat and I can assure you that it's correct.

879
00:44:37,533 --> 00:44:40,373
Speaker 4: So how depressing. Eighty percent of us are potential thief.

880
00:44:40,453 --> 00:44:43,653
Speaker 2: So I'm just looking around here. So is Andrew's thieving

881
00:44:43,653 --> 00:44:45,293
Speaker 2: out there? And he's just stuck down.

882
00:44:45,413 --> 00:44:47,573
Speaker 4: He's stuck down. He might have taken some post it

883
00:44:47,613 --> 00:44:50,693
Speaker 4: notes in his time. He's a pretty moral character though, Andrew.

884
00:44:50,893 --> 00:44:54,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone is hosking a thief because my staple keeps

885
00:44:54,973 --> 00:44:57,653
Speaker 2: going missing over here. So is Mike costing in the

886
00:44:57,693 --> 00:44:58,973
Speaker 2: eighty percent that steals.

887
00:44:58,733 --> 00:45:01,733
Speaker 4: Things highly suspect. Yeah, he'd be a hot contender, I think.

888
00:45:01,893 --> 00:45:03,773
Speaker 2: Because when my staple keeps going missing and it keeps

889
00:45:03,773 --> 00:45:05,893
Speaker 2: getting replaced with the sort of cream staple here.

890
00:45:06,333 --> 00:45:08,253
Speaker 4: Actually, now I remember of it, there was a beautiful

891
00:45:08,333 --> 00:45:10,733
Speaker 4: fountain pin that was down there, and I grabbed that

892
00:45:10,773 --> 00:45:13,373
Speaker 4: and said, oh, that's a nice pin. I wouldn't mind that,

893
00:45:13,573 --> 00:45:15,652
Speaker 4: and started to put it in my bag, and then

894
00:45:15,733 --> 00:45:19,693
Speaker 4: you said, that's that's toim beverage pin. You can't have

895
00:45:19,773 --> 00:45:20,093
Speaker 4: that pin.

896
00:45:20,173 --> 00:45:23,013
Speaker 2: I say, leave that pin alone, because because that's a

897
00:45:23,053 --> 00:45:25,653
Speaker 2: part of dishonesty in the workplace, people just grabbing pins.

898
00:45:26,053 --> 00:45:28,853
Speaker 2: But if it's a fountain pin like that, like beverage,

899
00:45:28,853 --> 00:45:30,973
Speaker 2: a special fountain pin, you cannot be grabbing that.

900
00:45:30,973 --> 00:45:32,893
Speaker 4: But you told me, and I had to sit there

901
00:45:32,893 --> 00:45:34,493
Speaker 4: and say, yeah, you're quite right. I can't be stealing

902
00:45:34,533 --> 00:45:37,853
Speaker 4: toon beveridges fountain pin. But one hundred and eighty ten

903
00:45:37,933 --> 00:45:41,133
Speaker 4: eighty is the number to call if you're utilizing drones

904
00:45:41,293 --> 00:45:44,413
Speaker 4: and your business on your farm, or if you're just

905
00:45:44,453 --> 00:45:46,893
Speaker 4: an amateur drone operator. Love to hear from you.

906
00:45:47,013 --> 00:45:49,613
Speaker 2: As Texa says, my dad uses a drone to mustross sheep.

907
00:45:49,933 --> 00:45:51,772
Speaker 2: It's just as good, if not better than a dog.

908
00:45:51,973 --> 00:45:53,413
Speaker 4: Impressive. I'd love to see that.

909
00:45:53,773 --> 00:45:56,013
Speaker 2: But you know, can it you know? Is it your

910
00:45:56,053 --> 00:45:56,613
Speaker 2: best friend?

911
00:45:56,733 --> 00:45:57,053
Speaker 3: Yeah?

912
00:45:57,213 --> 00:45:58,613
Speaker 2: Can you pat its head?

913
00:45:58,693 --> 00:45:59,813
Speaker 4: Does it keep your warm at night?

914
00:45:59,933 --> 00:46:04,253
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well so. Edward and Hardy's Roofing use drones to

915
00:46:04,293 --> 00:46:07,493
Speaker 2: spray roofs and clean buildings. So are you using a

916
00:46:07,573 --> 00:46:11,453
Speaker 2: drone and an eight hundred eighty ten eighty or is

917
00:46:11,493 --> 00:46:13,333
Speaker 2: your job under threat from a drone? And what do

918
00:46:13,333 --> 00:46:15,373
Speaker 2: you think about calls to licensed drones?

919
00:46:15,653 --> 00:46:17,093
Speaker 4: It is fourteen past two.

920
00:46:17,733 --> 00:46:22,293
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

921
00:46:22,333 --> 00:46:26,093
Speaker 1: afternoons call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty used talk.

922
00:46:25,933 --> 00:46:26,293
Speaker 6: Said be.

923
00:46:28,813 --> 00:46:32,053
Speaker 4: It is sixteen past two and we're talking about drone technology.

924
00:46:32,333 --> 00:46:35,693
Speaker 4: It was front and center at this year's field Day's DJI,

925
00:46:35,733 --> 00:46:39,413
Speaker 4: which is a big drone manufacturer technology company. They say

926
00:46:39,453 --> 00:46:42,293
Speaker 4: they've got three hundred thousand of its drones operating globally,

927
00:46:42,653 --> 00:46:45,813
Speaker 4: treating five hundred million hectares of farmland around the world,

928
00:46:45,853 --> 00:46:47,653
Speaker 4: and they were trying to sell it to our rural

929
00:46:47,653 --> 00:46:51,533
Speaker 4: community and farmers. But not just farmers, it's used in fishing,

930
00:46:52,013 --> 00:46:55,693
Speaker 4: hunting businesses. We're getting a lot of texts from building

931
00:46:55,733 --> 00:47:00,453
Speaker 4: companies and roofing companies that use drones to help the

932
00:47:00,533 --> 00:47:02,253
Speaker 4: job go along. So if that is you'd love to

933
00:47:02,253 --> 00:47:03,973
Speaker 4: hear from you on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. And

934
00:47:03,973 --> 00:47:06,173
Speaker 4: if you're just an amateur drone flyer, what is the

935
00:47:06,213 --> 00:47:07,813
Speaker 4: appeal of it? What sort of drone have you got?

936
00:47:07,893 --> 00:47:10,333
Speaker 4: What's the spons that you get from people? Really can

937
00:47:10,413 --> 00:47:11,053
Speaker 4: to have a chat with you.

938
00:47:11,573 --> 00:47:14,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, this says, hey, guys, you stated that there is

939
00:47:14,253 --> 00:47:18,053
Speaker 2: a big problem with helicopters in the agricultural industry. Please elaborate.

940
00:47:18,253 --> 00:47:20,212
Speaker 2: I'm interested in what you base your statement on, well

941
00:47:20,213 --> 00:47:24,093
Speaker 2: a basement statement on just news articles this one here,

942
00:47:24,133 --> 00:47:29,093
Speaker 2: this tragic accident in the Hawk's Bay with a rural helicopter.

943
00:47:29,253 --> 00:47:31,453
Speaker 2: I think you know, I think it's it's well known

944
00:47:31,493 --> 00:47:36,333
Speaker 2: that we've had our fair share of rural helicopter accident. Yeah.

945
00:47:36,373 --> 00:47:39,533
Speaker 4: Absolutely, If you want to send a text, nine two

946
00:47:39,613 --> 00:47:41,733
Speaker 4: nine two. But oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

947
00:47:41,853 --> 00:47:45,373
Speaker 4: is the number to call, Nicholas. How are you this afternoon?

948
00:47:46,133 --> 00:47:46,293
Speaker 14: Well?

949
00:47:46,333 --> 00:47:46,692
Speaker 6: Too bad?

950
00:47:46,773 --> 00:47:51,333
Speaker 4: Yourself very good? So do you use drone technology here?

951
00:47:51,413 --> 00:47:51,692
Speaker 8: We do.

952
00:47:51,813 --> 00:47:55,893
Speaker 18: So we're a drone operator down in South and using

953
00:47:56,053 --> 00:47:58,893
Speaker 18: the new big spray drones. And are also doing a

954
00:47:58,933 --> 00:48:02,333
Speaker 18: lotless drones for measuring parstia cover on dairy parts.

955
00:48:03,093 --> 00:48:06,413
Speaker 4: Far out and so this is your company is specifically

956
00:48:06,573 --> 00:48:10,373
Speaker 4: contracted out to far arms to operate these drones, or

957
00:48:10,373 --> 00:48:11,333
Speaker 4: you're a farmer yourself.

958
00:48:11,973 --> 00:48:12,172
Speaker 9: Yeah.

959
00:48:12,253 --> 00:48:15,652
Speaker 18: So we're purely yeah, purely, purely agriculture based. So we

960
00:48:15,693 --> 00:48:18,813
Speaker 18: do have a family farm in the south grew up

961
00:48:19,253 --> 00:48:22,692
Speaker 18: down here in western Southland. But still the potential for

962
00:48:22,733 --> 00:48:26,732
Speaker 18: this technology and how how much it can do and

963
00:48:26,853 --> 00:48:28,253
Speaker 18: help efficiently it can do it.

964
00:48:28,293 --> 00:48:30,773
Speaker 6: Basically, so, what.

965
00:48:30,613 --> 00:48:33,573
Speaker 2: What kind of drones are these that you're running, if

966
00:48:33,573 --> 00:48:36,493
Speaker 2: they're if they're taking carrying such such big payloads.

967
00:48:37,013 --> 00:48:40,453
Speaker 18: Yeah, so we run the the j I C G

968
00:48:40,573 --> 00:48:45,013
Speaker 18: I aggresses, which are the spray drones and the spreading drones.

969
00:48:45,333 --> 00:48:48,933
Speaker 18: And our main focus for what we're doing is we

970
00:48:49,093 --> 00:48:52,493
Speaker 18: actually focus on weed mapping and spot spraying, so not

971
00:48:52,533 --> 00:48:57,653
Speaker 18: necessarily the big blanket jobs, but more focusing on mapping terrain,

972
00:48:57,853 --> 00:49:00,172
Speaker 18: finding out all the weeds are, especially gorse and broom,

973
00:49:00,733 --> 00:49:05,093
Speaker 18: and then chasing after it with age rone and our

974
00:49:05,093 --> 00:49:09,772
Speaker 18: main competition is probably more the hose and real operator Okay, yeah,

975
00:49:09,893 --> 00:49:16,613
Speaker 18: just with our efficiency and accessibility to really steep horrible terrain,

976
00:49:16,653 --> 00:49:20,053
Speaker 18: which would be pretty pretty tough to get a hot on.

977
00:49:20,133 --> 00:49:22,373
Speaker 2: Next step up to, so can you describe what your

978
00:49:22,493 --> 00:49:26,613
Speaker 2: drones look like? Their chopper drones right there, they're blade drones.

979
00:49:27,333 --> 00:49:30,653
Speaker 18: Yeah, So the we've got to we've got two different

980
00:49:30,653 --> 00:49:33,133
Speaker 18: types of drinks. We've got a quad copter, which is

981
00:49:33,573 --> 00:49:38,333
Speaker 18: kind of your standard drone configuration, and then we're our

982
00:49:38,653 --> 00:49:42,853
Speaker 18: bigger drones and opticopter. Believes it's got eight motors, so

983
00:49:43,133 --> 00:49:46,653
Speaker 18: two on each arm, one upper, one lower, and sixteen

984
00:49:46,813 --> 00:49:52,333
Speaker 18: sixteen propellers on it. So it's quite quite a big machine. Yeah,

985
00:49:52,413 --> 00:49:55,213
Speaker 18: certainly wouldn't want to question.

986
00:49:57,693 --> 00:49:59,453
Speaker 2: How long can they how long can that stay up

987
00:49:59,453 --> 00:49:59,893
Speaker 2: at a time?

988
00:50:00,013 --> 00:50:04,253
Speaker 18: Nicholas, So it seems like you're doing so water. If

989
00:50:04,253 --> 00:50:07,893
Speaker 18: you're doing a really high water rate, you might get

990
00:50:07,973 --> 00:50:14,212
Speaker 18: three loads out of a battery, or if you're doing

991
00:50:14,253 --> 00:50:16,493
Speaker 18: really low water rate smoke, you're one loads. It kind

992
00:50:16,493 --> 00:50:20,453
Speaker 18: of ten minutes is usually a good kind of middle ground.

993
00:50:20,813 --> 00:50:22,453
Speaker 18: You might be able to extend that a lot longer

994
00:50:22,453 --> 00:50:24,973
Speaker 18: if you're taking off with not a full load, or

995
00:50:25,053 --> 00:50:27,692
Speaker 18: if you're taking off of really full loads and you're

996
00:50:27,693 --> 00:50:29,613
Speaker 18: doing a lot of traveler, you're doing a lot of

997
00:50:29,653 --> 00:50:32,533
Speaker 18: dead flying, so you're flying from the loading point to

998
00:50:32,733 --> 00:50:35,373
Speaker 18: the job, you're going to really chow up your battery

999
00:50:35,413 --> 00:50:38,293
Speaker 18: a lot quicker. So yeah, it takes a bit, takes

1000
00:50:38,293 --> 00:50:41,333
Speaker 18: a good of management, but we're all about ten minutes usually.

1001
00:50:41,613 --> 00:50:44,893
Speaker 2: So you send it out and you identify what needs

1002
00:50:44,933 --> 00:50:46,693
Speaker 2: to be sprayed using the camera.

1003
00:50:46,813 --> 00:50:48,573
Speaker 6: I guess, yeah.

1004
00:50:48,613 --> 00:50:51,093
Speaker 18: So a lot of the time with what we do

1005
00:50:51,173 --> 00:50:53,853
Speaker 18: is we're coming with a little drone which actually maps

1006
00:50:53,893 --> 00:50:57,293
Speaker 18: the area face. It creates almost like a Google satellite view,

1007
00:50:57,853 --> 00:51:01,533
Speaker 18: really high quality, and we actually create a proper detailed

1008
00:51:01,573 --> 00:51:04,652
Speaker 18: spray plant for that area, especially when it comes to

1009
00:51:05,173 --> 00:51:10,333
Speaker 18: spot spraying individual week, for for your general blankets, spraying

1010
00:51:11,093 --> 00:51:14,333
Speaker 18: for your crops and whatnot. What what you do is

1011
00:51:14,333 --> 00:51:17,533
Speaker 18: you fly. You either fly the drone around the outside

1012
00:51:17,573 --> 00:51:19,493
Speaker 18: of the boundary or the paddict to mark it out,

1013
00:51:20,053 --> 00:51:22,693
Speaker 18: or simply you dropped. You drop the boundary on the

1014
00:51:22,733 --> 00:51:27,493
Speaker 18: map on your control with far so then you just

1015
00:51:27,773 --> 00:51:28,893
Speaker 18: automatic right.

1016
00:51:28,893 --> 00:51:31,973
Speaker 2: Right, I see right? And what about so so you

1017
00:51:32,053 --> 00:51:35,533
Speaker 2: know military jones, I guess what's a better word. I'm

1018
00:51:35,533 --> 00:51:36,973
Speaker 2: trying to think of the word described. You know, you've

1019
00:51:36,973 --> 00:51:39,053
Speaker 2: got chop the jones and ones that are that that

1020
00:51:39,133 --> 00:51:42,973
Speaker 2: are more like gliding Jones. Is that is that part

1021
00:51:43,013 --> 00:51:43,373
Speaker 2: of yeah?

1022
00:51:43,413 --> 00:51:44,853
Speaker 18: Fixed wing? Yeah, fox wings.

1023
00:51:45,293 --> 00:51:49,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that a practical thing for for you know,

1024
00:51:49,893 --> 00:51:54,093
Speaker 2: carrying big loads and spraying large areas or or you know, drop.

1025
00:51:55,333 --> 00:52:00,453
Speaker 18: There is Yeah, six wing drones at the moment are

1026
00:52:00,533 --> 00:52:04,653
Speaker 18: really practical for that unless they're really big, really large.

1027
00:52:04,693 --> 00:52:07,172
Speaker 18: The problem with that is that if you've got a big,

1028
00:52:07,253 --> 00:52:11,293
Speaker 18: large fix wing drone for you know, for spraying and

1029
00:52:11,333 --> 00:52:15,413
Speaker 18: spreading where you need to near a runway, right, yeah,

1030
00:52:15,573 --> 00:52:17,533
Speaker 18: you know, so we're compared to a quite a drone

1031
00:52:17,573 --> 00:52:19,253
Speaker 18: where you can pretty much set up right beside the

1032
00:52:19,253 --> 00:52:24,333
Speaker 18: paddock and be on site, you know, and take austratically. Yeah,

1033
00:52:24,373 --> 00:52:26,813
Speaker 18: helicopters are probably taken you know when there used to

1034
00:52:26,853 --> 00:52:29,172
Speaker 18: be aeroplanes and then helicopter's coming to the picture, and

1035
00:52:29,173 --> 00:52:33,013
Speaker 18: and then helicopters took over from aeroplanes and now yeah,

1036
00:52:34,453 --> 00:52:38,093
Speaker 18: don't see it too too long before drones are starting

1037
00:52:38,093 --> 00:52:39,573
Speaker 18: to take a lot of work from the helicopter.

1038
00:52:41,933 --> 00:52:44,013
Speaker 4: So so the sort of drone that you're using, would

1039
00:52:44,013 --> 00:52:46,853
Speaker 4: that be similar similar to some of the drones they

1040
00:52:46,933 --> 00:52:49,453
Speaker 4: use the Vita culture when there's been a big frost

1041
00:52:49,493 --> 00:52:52,133
Speaker 4: to you know, to to put some ear pressure over

1042
00:52:52,173 --> 00:52:54,013
Speaker 4: the vines and and melt that frost.

1043
00:52:55,813 --> 00:52:58,293
Speaker 18: I haven't I haven't got too much experience that down

1044
00:52:58,573 --> 00:53:02,853
Speaker 18: western Southland not really not really the place we grow great,

1045
00:53:05,653 --> 00:53:09,253
Speaker 18: but yeah, I mean that is I know of cases

1046
00:53:09,293 --> 00:53:12,813
Speaker 18: where they have been used up in central Target. But

1047
00:53:13,053 --> 00:53:15,573
Speaker 18: I think you do need quite a lot of quite

1048
00:53:15,613 --> 00:53:17,533
Speaker 18: a lot of drones to mash the famous set that

1049
00:53:17,613 --> 00:53:22,333
Speaker 18: a helicopter, wood or a sand would. Yeah, but yeah,

1050
00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:24,772
Speaker 18: definitely as they get bigger, they definitely will they. Yeah,

1051
00:53:24,773 --> 00:53:27,013
Speaker 18: they had quite a lot of downdrafts already, got the

1052
00:53:27,053 --> 00:53:31,772
Speaker 18: blower blow a toddler over the top of things because

1053
00:53:31,773 --> 00:53:34,293
Speaker 18: the actually because that that's actually part of their that's

1054
00:53:34,333 --> 00:53:37,173
Speaker 18: how they actually spray paddicts because they need to spread

1055
00:53:37,173 --> 00:53:39,893
Speaker 18: the chemical out circauin distance, so they have a six

1056
00:53:39,973 --> 00:53:45,693
Speaker 18: meter swath, and drones actually do that by manipulating the

1057
00:53:45,693 --> 00:53:48,093
Speaker 18: down force of the ear coming out of the drones,

1058
00:53:48,333 --> 00:53:50,692
Speaker 18: coming off the propellers to help spread that chemical out

1059
00:53:50,733 --> 00:53:53,173
Speaker 18: and actually effectively spray the crops.

1060
00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:58,053
Speaker 2: Yes, and how much how much is and how much

1061
00:53:58,093 --> 00:54:01,812
Speaker 2: you're paying for one of these opticopter drones opt drone?

1062
00:54:01,853 --> 00:54:05,133
Speaker 18: Yeah, you're trying, you probably you're looking you're looking at

1063
00:54:05,213 --> 00:54:08,453
Speaker 18: about we're in the twenty thousand dollars mark just or

1064
00:54:08,493 --> 00:54:12,453
Speaker 18: the drone, and then once you throw on batteries, and

1065
00:54:12,493 --> 00:54:15,293
Speaker 18: then you're throwing your three batteries, and then the setup

1066
00:54:15,733 --> 00:54:17,973
Speaker 18: that you need trailers and mixing tanks for all your

1067
00:54:18,053 --> 00:54:21,173
Speaker 18: chemicals and fresh water, and then all your qualifications, the

1068
00:54:21,213 --> 00:54:24,213
Speaker 18: fly the things you're getting well into the hundreds of

1069
00:54:24,253 --> 00:54:29,812
Speaker 18: thousands to actually get a fully functional set up. Going, Yeah,

1070
00:54:29,893 --> 00:54:32,333
Speaker 18: there's a lot. There's a lot involved with it. And

1071
00:54:32,373 --> 00:54:35,172
Speaker 18: I get a lot of farmers that say they are

1072
00:54:35,213 --> 00:54:37,692
Speaker 18: thinking about buying one, but it's not as simple as

1073
00:54:37,773 --> 00:54:40,253
Speaker 18: just buying a drone. Where you're going, there's one thing

1074
00:54:40,293 --> 00:54:44,693
Speaker 18: you're going to do is an aerial chemical applicator certificate

1075
00:54:45,293 --> 00:54:49,813
Speaker 18: because you are applying chemical areily and that has a

1076
00:54:49,853 --> 00:54:52,293
Speaker 18: lot of variables. And the last thing you want to

1077
00:54:52,293 --> 00:54:57,173
Speaker 18: do is take out a multimillion dollar Vinyard road. You

1078
00:54:57,213 --> 00:55:00,292
Speaker 18: are very safe with the chymical applications. So it's exc

1079
00:55:00,453 --> 00:55:02,652
Speaker 18: the same as what I how got the pilot would

1080
00:55:02,693 --> 00:55:05,652
Speaker 18: have to do, you know there is it's not just

1081
00:55:05,693 --> 00:55:07,533
Speaker 18: as simple as buying a drone against rain.

1082
00:55:08,613 --> 00:55:10,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thank you so much for you call Nicholas.

1083
00:55:10,293 --> 00:55:11,173
Speaker 2: It's interesting stuff.

1084
00:55:11,453 --> 00:55:12,533
Speaker 4: It's fascinating.

1085
00:55:12,813 --> 00:55:15,693
Speaker 2: Certainly looks futuristic when you see them flying around paddocks.

1086
00:55:15,773 --> 00:55:17,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely does. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 4: If you use drones and your business, love to hear

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Speaker 4: from you. It is twenty five past two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've got some helicopter fans that are they're fighting, fighting,

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Speaker 2: fighting the camp of the helicopters against the drones.

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Speaker 4: How much Come on through.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZB, Very.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, having having no fascinating chat about drone use

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00:55:45,013 --> 00:55:48,293
Speaker 4: in businesses around New Zealand. It is becoming more and

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00:55:48,373 --> 00:55:51,373
Speaker 4: more common in the rural sector, yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: In other sectors as well. I'm looking at this this

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Speaker 2: video here from Cali Commercial Drone Solutions. So they're just spraying.

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Speaker 2: So do as I say, do away with that expensive

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00:56:00,693 --> 00:56:04,733
Speaker 2: scaffolding quote along with the nasty moss molden lichen. So

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Speaker 2: I've got these precision drones just flying up and spraying,

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00:56:09,013 --> 00:56:10,893
Speaker 2: spraying the roofs of buildings.

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Speaker 4: A fun job as well, wouldn't it just be that

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00:56:12,933 --> 00:56:13,573
Speaker 4: drone operator?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean and also you can just you can

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00:56:16,453 --> 00:56:19,893
Speaker 2: just log it out. So you just as Nicholas was

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00:56:19,933 --> 00:56:22,692
Speaker 2: saying before, So you take a shot from above and

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00:56:22,733 --> 00:56:25,613
Speaker 2: then the zone. Then the drone can just track what

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Speaker 2: it has to do, and then you just press go

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00:56:27,853 --> 00:56:30,373
Speaker 2: and it just goes back and forth and sprays it

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Speaker 2: as opposed to you know, scaffolding and ladders and people

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00:56:34,573 --> 00:56:35,933
Speaker 2: being up there and sliding around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, from a cost point of view, it is hard

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Speaker 4: for helicopters to keep up. But there's a few texts.

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00:56:41,733 --> 00:56:48,652
Speaker 2: Although this shopper says, one second, here we go. Helicopters

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00:56:48,733 --> 00:56:51,893
Speaker 2: more expensive, but ten times quicker, which works out cheaper.

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Speaker 2: Took us twenty minutes to wet and forget an entire

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00:56:54,173 --> 00:56:58,973
Speaker 2: building with around one two hundred liters applied from Robbie

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Speaker 2: forty four. A drone would take days. There you go.

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Speaker 4: So the helicopters are still doing a good job. Get

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Speaker 4: a Graham very goods Now you use drones in your business?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, well, primately I've got one with me. I care

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Speaker 19: all the time I leaving the scene. There's so many

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Speaker 19: applications in so many different industries, and there's a human race.

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Speaker 19: We should embrace it, you know, we should be teaching

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Speaker 19: our kids out of fly drones. We just have to

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Speaker 19: absolutely embrace the technology because it's there and it is

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Speaker 19: so beneficial to.

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Speaker 2: All that we do. How do you use your drones?

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Speaker 2: Grind Graham describe the functionality.

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Speaker 19: Why personally for sort of the film. But my one

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00:57:37,693 --> 00:57:39,813
Speaker 19: is I run events and I'm always doing help the

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Speaker 19: seety diagrams, site diagrams and road mapping diagrams, building diagrams

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00:57:44,973 --> 00:57:47,533
Speaker 19: and that stuff is quite hard to acquire. But I've

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Speaker 19: got I've got a drone in my in my settel.

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Speaker 19: I pull it out, I put it up, I get

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Speaker 19: all the photography I need. It's all close and you know,

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Speaker 19: I'm closed traffic flowing people and everything, and it's just invaluable.

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Speaker 4: And the type of drome that you use, Graham, I

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Speaker 4: imagined it's a bit smaller than Nicholas who called before.

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Speaker 19: But yeah, yeah, but I do bidowns as well. I've

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Speaker 19: had quite a bit of experiences. I do a lot

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Speaker 19: of or we do a lot of film works, so

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Speaker 19: we do get the big industrial drones. And actually quite

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Speaker 19: a few of the pilots that used to work in

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Speaker 19: the film industry now work in agg because it's so

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Speaker 19: valuable an egg and you know all the claimers. I'm

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Speaker 19: sure you're listening to this, but you have to take

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Speaker 19: it on. You know, like the price of getting a

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00:58:25,213 --> 00:58:28,093
Speaker 19: helicopters the price of a throne, and it does exactly

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00:58:28,093 --> 00:58:29,973
Speaker 19: what you wanted to do, the program and it goes

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Speaker 19: without business. You know, they're amazing.

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Speaker 2: So the former industry was obviously hiring a lot of

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Speaker 2: helicopters with the gyroscopic amounts for cameras and.

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Speaker 3: Getting in camera yeah yeah, and getting amotography.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and getting incredible, credible shots. So is that industry

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Speaker 2: taking a bit of a hurt in your experience?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

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Speaker 19: No, it is growing across the board all that stuff

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00:58:54,333 --> 00:58:56,493
Speaker 19: that's happened. But you know, I think you've just got

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Speaker 19: to take that helicopter and shrink it down and go,

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Speaker 19: you know what are all these things we can do

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Speaker 19: in the close regions that don't require as enormous big helicopter,

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Speaker 19: you know, an acreage And you know, the thing to

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Speaker 19: remember about drones is you can you can fly a

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Speaker 19: drone and a building around people. Yeah, they have FTV drones,

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Speaker 19: which are you know, the voters are fully encompassed, and

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Speaker 19: you can you can fly them in a crowd of people.

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Speaker 19: And then you've got a bigger drones like what I have,

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Speaker 19: which is you wouldn't want to cruise it into people,

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Speaker 19: but it could and it wouldn't matter. I get it

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00:59:26,933 --> 00:59:30,573
Speaker 19: sticking trees quite offense manute in certain positions. And then

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Speaker 19: you go into the film ones, which is the bigger

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Speaker 19: ones where you know you're unwiding humut of slight case

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Speaker 19: plugging and apply for fifteen twenty minutes, you know. And

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Speaker 19: then you get into the big agriculture ones. And actually

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Speaker 19: that's why're talking drones. You've got to look at what

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Speaker 19: they do internationally and countries where transport and delivery and

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Speaker 19: moving people around. Talent they just for this pharmaceuticals with drones,

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Speaker 19: those six wing drones they stind out and they do

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Speaker 19: aerial drops with medicine and food supplies and all that.

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Speaker 19: But this technology is amazing. We've benefited so much.

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Speaker 2: I mean there must still be a place for helicopters

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Speaker 2: with the drive Scott's gyroscope amounts in terms of intense

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Speaker 2: weather conditions. I mean, drones can get blown around a

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Speaker 2: lot and you won't get a great shot.

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Speaker 21: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Well, I think on this industry and I think that

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Speaker 19: that as a population we should learn from the fullest

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Speaker 19: capacity and benefit what we do. We should reduce. We

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Speaker 19: can reduce so many things by using smart transport and

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Speaker 19: smart technology, and drones are definitely fall in that category.

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Speaker 22: You know.

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Speaker 19: The hard part with drones and who ends up with

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Speaker 19: them in their hands because they are damaging, they do

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Speaker 19: cause accidents and reduced over the years. I mean, I

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Speaker 19: remember people getting lateration from ruders and we obviously can't

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Speaker 19: find them out the left, and we have real strict guidelines,

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Speaker 19: healthy threaty guidelines with web drones. But you know they've

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Speaker 19: become a pretty safe economical product nowadays.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for your cool Graham.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting stuff, very fascinating.

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Speaker 15: No.

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Speaker 4: One undred and eighty teen eighty is the number call

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Speaker 4: love to hear. Are your thoughts on drones if you're

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Speaker 4: an amateur user, if you use it in your business,

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Speaker 4: really keen to chat. It is twenty seven to three.

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Speaker 15: News Talks at the headlines with blue Bubble Taxis. It's

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Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Education Minister has

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Speaker 15: announced a thirteen million dollar boost for school infrastructure in Otago.

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Speaker 15: It's going into new teaching spaces at Dunston High School

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Speaker 15: expansion at Tekuda Facitipu or Cowudo, and lands being bought

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Speaker 15: for a primary school in Queenstown's Ladies Mile. The Finance

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Speaker 15: Ministers applauding GDP growth scene and figures out today at

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Speaker 15: zero point eight percent in the first quarter of the year.

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Speaker 15: A section of Auckland's White Swan Road is closed and

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Speaker 15: Mount Roskell police are trying to engage with a person

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Speaker 15: in a home during an ongoing family harm incident. A

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Speaker 15: twenty four year old man hit by a motorbike on

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Speaker 15: a pedestrian crossing in the Route de Dur on Saturday

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Speaker 15: afternoon has died. Christ Church Police a woman's death after

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Speaker 15: being found injured in a Ricketon car park yesterday was

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Speaker 15: not suspicious, Assistant Police Commissioner Jill Rogers, so she can't

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Speaker 15: detail why she exempted some police recruits from fitness requirements.

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Speaker 15: But as promising standards remain high, stronger than expected GDP

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Speaker 15: growth raises risk Reserve Bank will pause cash rate cuts.

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Speaker 15: Find out more at ENZ and Herald Premium. Back now

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Speaker 15: to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Raylan, and we're talking about the

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Speaker 4: increase of using drones and businesses and industries across New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: It was big at Field Days, but it's not just

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Speaker 4: the rural sector. It is across the board the utilization

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Speaker 4: of this technology. And if that is you love to

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01:02:46,093 --> 01:02:47,973
Speaker 4: hear from you on one hundred and eighteen eighty.

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Speaker 2: Hayley, Welcome the show. What are you? How are you

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Speaker 2: operating drones?

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Speaker 18: So?

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Speaker 14: I worked for news media and we use drones quite

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01:02:58,373 --> 01:03:02,373
Speaker 14: a bit in our industry just for basically to get

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01:03:02,413 --> 01:03:07,333
Speaker 14: pictures for news stories and things like that. But yeah,

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Speaker 14: we all all of our operators are certified one oh

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01:03:11,613 --> 01:03:15,933
Speaker 14: one pilots, which is the basic certification, and then there's

1244
01:03:15,973 --> 01:03:18,893
Speaker 14: a one O two which are four more experienced pilots.

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01:03:20,093 --> 01:03:22,933
Speaker 14: But there's also like there's something called Airshare which you

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01:03:23,573 --> 01:03:26,013
Speaker 14: whenever you fly a drone, you should be going onto

1247
01:03:26,053 --> 01:03:30,293
Speaker 14: Airshare and logging your flight. And then that also tells

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01:03:30,333 --> 01:03:35,933
Speaker 14: you if you're in the airspace of any aerodromes, so airports, helicopters,

1249
01:03:37,093 --> 01:03:41,213
Speaker 14: and you have to call and if you are in

1250
01:03:41,373 --> 01:03:43,133
Speaker 14: one of those flight paths, a lot of the time

1251
01:03:44,813 --> 01:03:48,293
Speaker 14: you may not be able to fly there. And then

1252
01:03:48,813 --> 01:03:51,493
Speaker 14: if you can fly there, there's certain places that you

1253
01:03:51,533 --> 01:03:53,213
Speaker 14: have to call up and just let them know that

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01:03:53,253 --> 01:03:56,653
Speaker 14: you are going to be flying from their airspace. But

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Speaker 14: there's a lot of people that just buy, go and

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Speaker 14: buy a drone and then they go and fly it,

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Speaker 14: and they have no idea what they're doing, and that's

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Speaker 14: really dangerous because you know, they're actually breaking the CIA regulations.

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Speaker 2: So the CIA regulation started a certain weight of drone.

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Speaker 14: Yeah they do, Yes, they do. I think it's over

1261
01:04:21,413 --> 01:04:23,973
Speaker 14: eight hundred gram So it's not you know, even the

1262
01:04:24,013 --> 01:04:28,733
Speaker 14: small drones are actually regulated or should be, you know,

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Speaker 14: like you should actually know what you're doing when you're

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01:04:30,573 --> 01:04:31,813
Speaker 14: flying them.

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Speaker 2: How heavy are your drones that you're flying, Hailey.

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Speaker 14: They're pretty small. They're sort of where the biggest drone

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01:04:39,173 --> 01:04:41,013
Speaker 14: we would fly would be a Phantom for which is

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01:04:41,573 --> 01:04:44,933
Speaker 14: probably a couple of kgs and then but most of

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01:04:44,933 --> 01:04:48,413
Speaker 14: them are quite small. And so like the DJI air

1270
01:04:48,453 --> 01:04:53,253
Speaker 14: threes and things like that, those drones there. But yeah,

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Speaker 14: I mean, I just think that you shouldn't just be

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01:04:56,813 --> 01:04:58,533
Speaker 14: able to go and buy one some you know, a

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01:04:58,573 --> 01:05:02,013
Speaker 14: Harvey Norman or or a no Leming and just put

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01:05:02,053 --> 01:05:03,413
Speaker 14: it up and fly it, because.

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Speaker 2: Just so you don't think, you don't think any size

1276
01:05:05,613 --> 01:05:09,333
Speaker 2: should be just be able to be bought as a

1277
01:05:09,493 --> 01:05:10,053
Speaker 2: as a toy.

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Speaker 14: No, no, I don't.

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01:05:14,333 --> 01:05:16,813
Speaker 4: Now fair enough. And so the one oh one drone

1280
01:05:17,173 --> 01:05:19,653
Speaker 4: certificate that you had to do with certification, what was

1281
01:05:19,693 --> 01:05:20,333
Speaker 4: involved in that.

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Speaker 14: So it's basically doing theory and a theory information about

1283
01:05:29,413 --> 01:05:32,653
Speaker 14: how you should be flying a drone, what a shielded

1284
01:05:32,693 --> 01:05:36,573
Speaker 14: operation is, which is basically you've got something that's going

1285
01:05:36,653 --> 01:05:41,693
Speaker 14: to stop the drone from heading anything like you know,

1286
01:05:41,773 --> 01:05:46,333
Speaker 14: buildings and things like that. And also you do like

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01:05:46,413 --> 01:05:49,293
Speaker 14: a theory where you actually fly the drone and you're

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01:05:49,573 --> 01:05:52,973
Speaker 14: examined by an examiner who's just checking out that you're

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Speaker 14: in full control and you know what you're doing right.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your insights there, Haley.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean that's a it's a big take, but

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Speaker 4: no sale of amateur drones. And clearly Haley is in

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01:06:05,493 --> 01:06:08,773
Speaker 4: the business. She's done his certific certification. You know, she

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01:06:09,053 --> 01:06:11,853
Speaker 4: is well qualified to that include.

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Speaker 2: As my dad loves flying the remote control aircraft. Would

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01:06:15,693 --> 01:06:18,293
Speaker 2: you have conclude that probably not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd let that slide under the radar because I

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01:06:20,613 --> 01:06:24,333
Speaker 4: don't think that's as dangerous, you know, in terms of

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Speaker 4: getting in the way of helicopters. Or yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: I mean people are often flying those remote control planes.

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Speaker 2: They're very, very cool. My dad's got a huge collection

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Speaker 2: of them. But and then you just lose connection to

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01:06:36,373 --> 01:06:38,693
Speaker 2: them and they'll just fly off into the distance. And

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01:06:38,733 --> 01:06:41,333
Speaker 2: some of them are you know, some of them are

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01:06:41,333 --> 01:06:43,773
Speaker 2: gas powered, they're not battery powered. And those guys, those

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01:06:43,773 --> 01:06:46,253
Speaker 2: guys can go for a while, so they're remote control.

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Speaker 2: And I've been with my dad when once just disappeared

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Speaker 2: and it's just going over some pine trees of miles

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Speaker 2: in the distance, so they could do some stuff.

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Speaker 4: There's another plane going, you know.

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Speaker 2: There's a remote control plane runway like airport that's out

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Speaker 2: on the tiree planes just outside DNED.

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Speaker 4: That is cool.

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01:07:03,453 --> 01:07:05,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is very cool. And when you're out there,

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01:07:05,413 --> 01:07:07,373
Speaker 2: you have to wait before we go out and pull

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Speaker 2: out onto the runway and take off. It's awful.

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Speaker 4: I love that. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 4: the number to court if you use drones and your business.

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Speaker 4: Are an amateur flyer, were keen to check to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting a few texts on how drones are

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01:07:18,413 --> 01:07:21,213
Speaker 2: being used in life saving at the beaches, so I'd

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Speaker 2: love to hear from anyone that knows any details of

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Speaker 2: how that works.

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01:07:24,613 --> 01:07:26,573
Speaker 4: Yep, it is eighteen to three.

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01:07:27,373 --> 01:07:30,893
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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01:07:31,093 --> 01:07:32,133
Speaker 1: everything in between.

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Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd.

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Speaker 4: Be It is a quarter to three and we're talking

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Speaker 4: about the use of drone technology in many types of industries,

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01:07:41,173 --> 01:07:45,053
Speaker 4: rural but also construction and amateur drone operators as well.

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Speaker 4: Love to hear from you on oh eight hundred eighty

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01:07:46,733 --> 01:07:51,173
Speaker 4: ten eighty. Now we mentioned before are they used in

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01:07:51,653 --> 01:07:55,893
Speaker 4: life saving or surf life saving situations? And man who

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01:07:55,933 --> 01:07:58,493
Speaker 4: got in contact is the former head of water safety

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Speaker 4: in New Zealand, Daniel Gerard get A, Daniel.

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Speaker 10: Shure it out.

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Speaker 23: Good guys, how are you very good?

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Speaker 2: Thanks? So how are our drones being used in surf

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01:08:07,413 --> 01:08:07,973
Speaker 2: life saving?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, there's a number of applications and it's the technology.

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01:08:11,693 --> 01:08:14,253
Speaker 23: Technology is growing quicker and quicker by the day. But

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01:08:14,933 --> 01:08:18,572
Speaker 23: in essence they are either being sent out to drop

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01:08:18,773 --> 01:08:21,452
Speaker 23: a rescue tube or some sort of rescue equipment. One

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01:08:21,613 --> 01:08:26,093
Speaker 23: somebody has identified in trouble. Their aspirations obviously is the

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01:08:26,133 --> 01:08:29,052
Speaker 23: drones grow in size that they may well be able

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01:08:29,093 --> 01:08:33,012
Speaker 23: to write out people, but that's probably in the future.

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01:08:33,053 --> 01:08:36,212
Speaker 23: But there's a lot of AI being used around pool safety,

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01:08:36,253 --> 01:08:40,213
Speaker 23: where cameras within indoor pool facilities. I think there's one

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01:08:40,213 --> 01:08:43,012
Speaker 23: down in chrostu Che actually using it now use face

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01:08:43,053 --> 01:08:46,692
Speaker 23: recognition to identify faces that look like they are in

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01:08:46,772 --> 01:08:50,772
Speaker 23: trouble and can alert lifeguards. Now the extension of that

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01:08:51,013 --> 01:08:53,692
Speaker 23: is that that can be done by a drone, So

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01:08:53,732 --> 01:08:56,092
Speaker 23: the AI connects directly to the drone and the drone

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01:08:56,692 --> 01:08:59,772
Speaker 23: drops a rescue piece, piece of rescue equipment out to

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Speaker 23: the panicked person. So these things are being used. Israel

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01:09:03,812 --> 01:09:07,092
Speaker 23: is one country very advanced and it's technology around drones

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01:09:07,133 --> 01:09:11,333
Speaker 23: that's that's currently using both for good and.

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Speaker 2: What about throwing up a drone so you can have

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Speaker 2: you know, a good view of the whole area that

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Speaker 2: people are swimming or surfing in. Is it used in

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Speaker 2: that way?

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Speaker 21: Yeah.

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Speaker 23: Indeed here in Auckland they send them, so I think

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Speaker 23: Vessel's Beach have access to some that they send around

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Speaker 23: to identify how many rock fishermen and fisher women are

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Speaker 23: out at any point in time and help assess the

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Speaker 23: conditions so you know, if it's a dodgy day, they

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Speaker 23: know that there's some people rock fishing, they can send

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Speaker 23: a lifeguard around to perhaps have a chat.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting the idea that you would look at someone's

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Speaker 2: face to see if they're distressed, because when I need

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Speaker 2: to do a number two, my partner will often say

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Speaker 2: to me, what's wrong. You look distressed, and I said, well,

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01:09:52,812 --> 01:09:54,612
Speaker 2: I can't be bothered walking up the stairs yet to

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01:09:54,652 --> 01:09:55,892
Speaker 2: get to sort out my business.

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01:09:55,933 --> 01:09:58,452
Speaker 4: So you are kind of distressed at their point as well.

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01:10:00,093 --> 01:10:02,892
Speaker 2: But I guess, I guess it's what screaming and yelling

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01:10:02,933 --> 01:10:04,372
Speaker 2: and your head bopping up and down.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, there's a number of number of dedicators, and actually

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01:10:10,732 --> 01:10:13,852
Speaker 23: clearly extended periods of time under the water is also

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01:10:13,933 --> 01:10:17,293
Speaker 23: another indicator that perhaps things are not right. So there

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Speaker 23: is the technology now being used to do that in

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01:10:20,173 --> 01:10:23,532
Speaker 23: control Paul environments and to a limited extent and out

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01:10:23,572 --> 01:10:24,293
Speaker 23: in wider beach.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And the peace of mind for those life savers

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01:10:26,293 --> 01:10:28,372
Speaker 4: as well, Daniel, you know, because I imagine in that

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01:10:28,532 --> 01:10:30,692
Speaker 4: job they all know it that it can be very

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01:10:30,692 --> 01:10:32,612
Speaker 4: difficult to spot someone out in the water who may

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Speaker 4: be getting into trouble, and there's only so many of them.

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Speaker 11: They have.

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Speaker 4: That bird's eye view, you know, is an incredible safety

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01:10:39,612 --> 01:10:40,973
Speaker 4: aspect that they can utilize.

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01:10:41,772 --> 01:10:44,092
Speaker 23: Yeah, no question at or having another set of eyes

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01:10:44,173 --> 01:10:48,253
Speaker 23: that's on almost twenty four seven whenever the patrols there.

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01:10:48,412 --> 01:10:52,252
Speaker 23: We can Yeah, clearly see some big benefits in utilizing

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Speaker 23: technology in that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant. Well, thank you so much for you Cole.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that. That's very interesting stuff. Yeah, I'm just watching

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Speaker 2: a video from keeping Eden Park up a scratch and

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01:11:02,692 --> 01:11:05,372
Speaker 2: of course Eating Park's a very difficult place to deal

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01:11:05,412 --> 01:11:09,052
Speaker 2: with with the high roofs and the different level of things.

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01:11:09,093 --> 01:11:11,732
Speaker 2: So they've got a drone going around blasting the place

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01:11:11,772 --> 01:11:12,532
Speaker 2: with wit and forget.

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01:11:12,772 --> 01:11:14,492
Speaker 4: Ye, it is a good use of a drone.

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01:11:14,572 --> 01:11:17,812
Speaker 2: I mean, you know the difference between hanging off things

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01:11:18,133 --> 01:11:20,732
Speaker 2: and ladders and scaffolding that you'd need to do the

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01:11:20,772 --> 01:11:23,932
Speaker 2: whole in park to stop it getting absolutely riddled with lichen.

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01:11:24,093 --> 01:11:27,852
Speaker 4: Yeah, massive timesaver. Yeah yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty

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01:11:27,853 --> 01:11:29,173
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call. We're going to

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01:11:29,213 --> 01:11:31,213
Speaker 4: play some messages, but back with more of your call shortly.

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01:11:31,253 --> 01:11:32,173
Speaker 4: It's eleven to three.

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01:11:33,812 --> 01:11:36,213
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

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01:11:36,253 --> 01:11:39,732
Speaker 1: along the way. Mad Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News

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01:11:39,853 --> 01:11:40,492
Speaker 1: Talk z' be.

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01:11:42,572 --> 01:11:44,612
Speaker 4: Very good afternoons due it's eight to three and having

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01:11:44,612 --> 01:11:48,172
Speaker 4: a great discussion about drone technology and business and amateur

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01:11:48,173 --> 01:11:48,892
Speaker 4: as well for that matter.

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01:11:49,013 --> 01:11:50,333
Speaker 2: Got a lot of texts coming through on nine two

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01:11:50,412 --> 01:11:53,372
Speaker 2: nine two asking for the rules. Well, you can find

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01:11:53,372 --> 01:11:57,852
Speaker 2: them at aviation dot, GUVT dot n z's just basically

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01:11:58,652 --> 01:12:01,092
Speaker 2: I'll read you some of it. When flying unmanned aircraft,

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01:12:01,173 --> 01:12:03,012
Speaker 2: you need to follow the Part one oh one rules.

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01:12:03,173 --> 01:12:05,412
Speaker 2: If you aren't able to follow the rules outlined below,

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01:12:05,492 --> 01:12:08,133
Speaker 2: you must apply for a Part one oh two certificate

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01:12:08,133 --> 01:12:10,732
Speaker 2: here the rules. Before you fly, aircraft must not exceed

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01:12:10,772 --> 01:12:14,412
Speaker 2: twenty five kgs. You must take steps to minimize hazards

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01:12:14,452 --> 01:12:18,093
Speaker 2: to people, probably in other aircraft. Only fly during daylight, right,

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01:12:18,412 --> 01:12:21,652
Speaker 2: give way too, and remain clear of manned aircraft. That

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01:12:21,692 --> 01:12:24,612
Speaker 2: makes sense that it makes sense. You must be able

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01:12:24,652 --> 01:12:26,692
Speaker 2: to see your unmanned aircraft with your own eyes at

1431
01:12:26,732 --> 01:12:29,732
Speaker 2: all times. Don't use binoculars, a monitor, or smartphones. You

1432
01:12:29,772 --> 01:12:31,253
Speaker 2: must be able to see it with your eyes. Do

1433
01:12:31,372 --> 01:12:36,093
Speaker 2: not fly behind objects or through fog, fly below one

1434
01:12:36,173 --> 01:12:40,213
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty meters. Get consent before flying over people

1435
01:12:40,213 --> 01:12:42,972
Speaker 2: and property. There is a certain airspace where drones must

1436
01:12:43,053 --> 01:12:46,692
Speaker 2: never be fled and other areas where there are strict conditions.

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01:12:46,772 --> 01:12:50,053
Speaker 2: Check for airspace restrictions in your area before you fly,

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01:12:50,692 --> 01:12:51,173
Speaker 2: then you gain.

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01:12:51,293 --> 01:12:52,132
Speaker 4: It's a lot of rules.

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Speaker 2: Those are the basics, but if you if you if

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01:12:54,013 --> 01:12:55,652
Speaker 2: you want to read it in detail, as I say,

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01:12:55,772 --> 01:12:57,692
Speaker 2: aviation dot gup dot NZ.

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01:12:57,893 --> 01:13:00,932
Speaker 4: Yeah, good to get that out there, Steve. You use

1444
01:13:01,013 --> 01:13:02,772
Speaker 4: drones in your business.

1445
01:13:02,973 --> 01:13:03,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, we do.

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01:13:03,652 --> 01:13:06,932
Speaker 24: We use a well wash drone that's a peather drone.

1447
01:13:07,013 --> 01:13:09,852
Speaker 24: So I like what you sa with those horticultural drones

1448
01:13:09,853 --> 01:13:11,612
Speaker 24: where they have the big tanks in the middle of them.

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01:13:12,133 --> 01:13:15,253
Speaker 24: We actually just have a hose that's hooped up to it,

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01:13:15,973 --> 01:13:17,612
Speaker 24: and we pull our hose up where we need and

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01:13:17,692 --> 01:13:20,173
Speaker 24: have the tanks on the ground so we can spray

1452
01:13:20,213 --> 01:13:23,333
Speaker 24: continuously without having they need to keep coming down landing

1453
01:13:23,333 --> 01:13:24,253
Speaker 24: and they're filling all the time.

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01:13:24,412 --> 01:13:28,253
Speaker 2: Smart that's interesting. So how much does the hose way?

1455
01:13:29,053 --> 01:13:31,053
Speaker 2: What's the load on the drone?

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01:13:31,772 --> 01:13:36,572
Speaker 24: I hope about a kg per meter. We generally don't

1457
01:13:36,612 --> 01:13:39,412
Speaker 24: fly in that high exhpt when we're doing a few

1458
01:13:39,492 --> 01:13:41,532
Speaker 24: high rise buildings, but the heights we've ever been as

1459
01:13:41,572 --> 01:13:46,692
Speaker 24: like thirty thirty five meters up there, and that's let's

1460
01:13:46,732 --> 01:13:49,253
Speaker 24: get to a point where're getting quite high for getting

1461
01:13:49,253 --> 01:13:52,213
Speaker 24: perspective from how far you are with building. For realistically,

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01:13:52,213 --> 01:13:53,812
Speaker 24: you don't want to fly much higher than that. But

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01:13:53,893 --> 01:13:57,572
Speaker 24: our main focus is on roofs or big wall areas,

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01:13:57,692 --> 01:14:00,532
Speaker 24: you know, sort of something like from fifteen hundred to

1465
01:14:01,452 --> 01:14:05,652
Speaker 24: forty forty fifty thousand square meters sort of thing, so

1466
01:14:05,973 --> 01:14:09,133
Speaker 24: big commercial type sites where it's it'ficult to get up

1467
01:14:09,133 --> 01:14:11,253
Speaker 24: on the rose. Our whole whole focus is really on

1468
01:14:11,293 --> 01:14:13,133
Speaker 24: the on the health and safety side of it as well,

1469
01:14:13,133 --> 01:14:16,372
Speaker 24: getting people off buildings, getting them off from a sailing,

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01:14:17,612 --> 01:14:21,572
Speaker 24: you know, emitting the use of scare folding or e

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Speaker 24: w p's or whatever sorts of harnessing systems you need,

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01:14:24,652 --> 01:14:29,093
Speaker 24: so they're regretful for you know, for the getting rid

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01:14:29,093 --> 01:14:31,053
Speaker 24: of wallet and just being able to do it from

1474
01:14:31,093 --> 01:14:34,093
Speaker 24: from the ground, so it's really safe quick.

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01:14:34,812 --> 01:14:37,612
Speaker 2: They must be pretty powerful drones though, so even with

1476
01:14:37,692 --> 01:14:40,812
Speaker 2: the hose and you know, when you've got the fluid

1477
01:14:40,853 --> 01:14:44,092
Speaker 2: in it, that that's that's they must be pretty powerful.

1478
01:14:44,133 --> 01:14:47,893
Speaker 2: What are they they? Quads? What are they?

1479
01:14:48,893 --> 01:14:52,333
Speaker 24: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a quad copter eight

1480
01:14:52,372 --> 01:14:54,572
Speaker 24: motors on it essentially got eight motors on it's on

1481
01:14:54,652 --> 01:14:58,612
Speaker 24: the double quad. It's a big industrial drone. It's it's

1482
01:14:58,612 --> 01:15:02,772
Speaker 24: still sits unother fifteen kg weight limit for it.

1483
01:15:02,853 --> 01:15:03,732
Speaker 18: But for.

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01:15:05,333 --> 01:15:12,013
Speaker 24: For us, we yeah, it's it's it's stable lands. I

1485
01:15:12,013 --> 01:15:15,732
Speaker 24: mean the software and those machines they hold the stables.

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01:15:15,732 --> 01:15:18,852
Speaker 24: So we we're pumping at the pump about three thousand psi,

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01:15:19,013 --> 01:15:20,892
Speaker 24: so you're looking at you know, three and a half

1488
01:15:20,893 --> 01:15:24,253
Speaker 24: thousand psi. There's water blasting pressure. So when the pressure

1489
01:15:24,293 --> 01:15:26,492
Speaker 24: comes on the dry on the drone, it's just a

1490
01:15:26,692 --> 01:15:31,692
Speaker 24: little slack. It holds its ground, so you think it'd

1491
01:15:31,692 --> 01:15:33,092
Speaker 24: be blown around, but no, it doesn't.

1492
01:15:33,293 --> 01:15:35,173
Speaker 2: And do you map it out before you put it

1493
01:15:35,293 --> 01:15:38,572
Speaker 2: up and automate the you know, the path of the

1494
01:15:38,652 --> 01:15:40,972
Speaker 2: drone or is that done visually from the ground.

1495
01:15:42,093 --> 01:15:46,253
Speaker 24: No, we do that visually. So we always have a

1496
01:15:46,492 --> 01:15:49,012
Speaker 24: pilot and we have an observer spot or so under

1497
01:15:49,053 --> 01:15:51,013
Speaker 24: the one oh one you're allowed to use it an

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01:15:51,053 --> 01:15:56,612
Speaker 24: observer as long as they are connected by communication channels.

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01:15:58,452 --> 01:16:02,892
Speaker 24: So sorry, we've got boys, got the drone site brilliant.

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01:16:03,013 --> 01:16:04,293
Speaker 2: Well, we're just running out of time, So what's the

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01:16:04,372 --> 01:16:05,732
Speaker 2: name of your company? Before we go, We're going to

1502
01:16:05,772 --> 01:16:06,133
Speaker 2: go to the.

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01:16:06,053 --> 01:16:08,253
Speaker 6: Ads where it was a hardy.

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01:16:09,053 --> 01:16:12,052
Speaker 24: It was an Hurdy Drone Services, so a subsidiary.

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01:16:12,692 --> 01:16:14,253
Speaker 2: Brilliant. Thank you so much for you call, Steve.

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01:16:14,333 --> 01:16:16,932
Speaker 4: Brilliant, Thank you Steve. In great discussion coming up after

1507
01:16:16,973 --> 01:16:19,213
Speaker 4: three o'clock, we speak to one of the key voices

1508
01:16:19,213 --> 01:16:24,093
Speaker 4: in the wildly popular Netflix documentary Titan the Ocean Gate Disaster.

1509
01:16:24,293 --> 01:16:26,612
Speaker 4: His name is Rob McCallum. He's a New Zealander. He's

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01:16:26,612 --> 01:16:29,853
Speaker 4: a fascinating guy. So really looking forward to this discussion

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01:16:30,013 --> 01:16:32,372
Speaker 4: coming up in about five minutes time.

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Speaker 1: Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

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Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk zebby.

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Speaker 4: Coming up really shortly, we speak to incredible New Zealander

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Speaker 4: Rob McCallum. He's a pioneer in the world of deep

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Speaker 4: seat diving. He's broken records and he's also been a

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Speaker 4: key voice in the wildly popular Netflix documentary Titan the

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Speaker 4: Ocean Gate Submercible Disaster. We're going to catch up with

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Speaker 4: him very shortly, but right now it is seven past three.

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Speaker 2: Every Friday on Mattanatiler afternoons on ZIBB, we named the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand of the Week in honor that we were

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Speaker 2: stole on your behalf to and use who has had

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Speaker 2: an outsized effect on our great and beautiful nation over

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Speaker 2: the previous week. As always, there will be three nominees

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Speaker 2: but only one winner, So without further ado, the nominees

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Speaker 2: for Matt and Tyler Afternoons New Zealand of the Week

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Speaker 2: are Nominee one also gets the smoke, fish, cheese, veggies

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Speaker 2: and everything Else Award. You were beautiful and bougie and

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Speaker 2: had all the products we love in the right place

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Speaker 2: and the best god damn pineapple cutter in the country.

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Speaker 2: Now that dream is over burned to the ground, so

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Speaker 2: arise from the ashes. Victoria Park You world. You are

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Speaker 2: nominated for New Zealander of the Week.

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Speaker 4: Gold On.

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Speaker 2: Number two also gets the Sir Edmund Hillary Going Downwards Award.

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Speaker 2: He's been deeper than any other human ten thousand meters

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Speaker 2: under the water. He's been down to the Titanic eighteen

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Speaker 2: hundred deep sea missions without an incident, and this week

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Speaker 2: the whole world is talking about this great New Zealander

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Speaker 2: after his impressive appearance on the Netflix documentary titan the

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Speaker 2: Ocean Gate disaster. New Zealand Explorer I'm sure and genius

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Speaker 2: Rob McCullum for trying your very best to stop that

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Speaker 2: crazy man stopped and Rush from killing everyone, including himself

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Speaker 2: and his doom sub You are nominated for New Zealander

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Speaker 2: of the Week Great Keyweek, but there can be only

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Speaker 2: one and the winner also gets the Gross but Necessary Award.

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Speaker 2: No one wants to think about the muckey part of

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Speaker 2: your body that connects your stomach and your butt, but

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Speaker 2: you should because three thousand Kiwis a year are diagnosed

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Speaker 2: with beow cancer and twelve hundred die. So if there's

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Speaker 2: any blood down there, if your movements have changed a lot,

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Speaker 2: or your tummy is sore, or you feel tired or

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Speaker 2: lose a lot of weight without trying, go see your GP.

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Speaker 2: They get no money from the government. They aren't the

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Speaker 2: most glamorous charity, but they help a lot of kiwi's

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Speaker 2: bow cancer New Zealand. You are the Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Afternoons New Zealanders of the Week. Text lou to three

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Speaker 2: seven seven nine. That's lou to three seven seven nine

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Speaker 2: to donate to these great New Zealanders.

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Speaker 4: That's just three bucks. Take it away, Howie, will.

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Speaker 2: There's any blood down there, go and see your GP.

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Speaker 6: New Zealand.

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Speaker 15: Enough, that's the deep cative.

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Speaker 4: Juve Dan lou Well, New Zealander. Rob McCullum is a

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Speaker 4: pioneer in the world a deep sea dive, and he's

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Speaker 4: broken the record for the deepest dive to challenge it

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Speaker 4: deep in the Marianna's Trench, the lowest point on Earth

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Speaker 4: at almost eleven thousand meters below sea level with the

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Speaker 4: likes of James Cameron. He was also a key voice

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Speaker 4: in the incredibly popular Netflix documentary Titaned the Ocean Gates

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Speaker 4: of Mercible Disaster, where he shares his attempts to warn

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Speaker 4: founder Stockton of the immense danger of that project before

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Speaker 4: the tragic complosion in twenty twenty three. It is a

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Speaker 4: great pleasure to welcome Rob McCullum to the show.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Rob, It's an absolute honor to be talking

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Speaker 2: to you today.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon now, Rob.

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Speaker 2: For listeners who may not know your background, what first

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Speaker 2: drew you into deep sea expiration? Tell us a little

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Speaker 2: bit about your ostellar career, and then how did you

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Speaker 2: come to advise Ocean Gate.

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Speaker 5: I started with six thousand meta vehicles working on recks

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Speaker 5: such as the Titanic and the Bismarck. And then more

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Speaker 5: recently into full ocean depth vehicles which head all the

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Speaker 5: way down to almost eleven thousand meters as deep as

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Speaker 5: you can possibly go. My involvement with ocean Gate was

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Speaker 5: back in their early years when they were using a

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Speaker 5: couple of classed vehicles a couple of certified vehicles to

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Speaker 5: do work in Puget Sound around Seattle, and then it

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Speaker 5: ended when they decided to go out into deep order

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Speaker 5: in an experimental craft.

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Speaker 2: Tell us what it's like to arrive down there at

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Speaker 2: the Titanic for the first time. That must be quite something.

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Speaker 5: It's absolutely it's an incredible experience. One because of the size.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think that it's not often you get

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Speaker 5: a chance, unless you're a dock worker to stand or

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Speaker 5: be located at the bow of a ship and to

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Speaker 5: look up at the immense size of it. And you know,

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Speaker 5: Titanic was over eight hundred and eighty feet long. She

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Speaker 5: was a big vessel. So the first impression is one

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Speaker 5: of size. The second is one of grace and beauty.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we simply don't build ocean liners with that

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Speaker 5: sort of design charm in them. And she's an incredibly

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Speaker 5: beautiful lady, even in her old age.

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Speaker 2: And how close can you actually get to the Titanic?

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Speaker 2: You basically can float around right on the deck, can't you.

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Speaker 5: You can? I mean, you know there are parts of

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Speaker 5: the wreck where there are debris, and you know, lifeboat

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Speaker 5: extinctions and cables and that sort of thing that you

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Speaker 5: want to maintain a respectful distance, and honestly is you know,

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Speaker 5: it's good to be sort of twenty to fifteen meters

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Speaker 5: away because then you can use the lights to illuminate

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Speaker 5: the greater scene and you get more of an appreciation

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Speaker 5: of size and shape when you're a little bit away from.

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Speaker 2: It and you've been deeper than anyone else in the world.

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Speaker 2: What's it like eleven thousand meters down? What are you

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Speaker 2: seeing down there?

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Speaker 5: We are seeing life, believe it or not. Even at

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Speaker 5: thirty five thousand feet or nine hundred meters, we're seeing life.

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Speaker 5: But we are also seeing things that have never been

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Speaker 5: seen before, simply because humans haven't had the opportunity to

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Speaker 5: visit that part of our planet very often. So we're

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Speaker 5: seeing new forms of life, and we're seeing new kinds

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Speaker 5: of bathymetry, you know, which help give us information about

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Speaker 5: how our planet was formed.

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Speaker 2: You're obviously not a man who suffers from claustrophobia.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Is there fear you still have a healthy amount of

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Speaker 2: fear when you're going down to an extreme depth?

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Speaker 5: No, because not in the sub I mean, you know,

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Speaker 5: I have to qualify that by saying that, you know,

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Speaker 5: everybody suffers from fear. I mean, if you don't suffer

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Speaker 5: from some degree of fear, you're probably some sort of psychopathe.

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Speaker 7: That.

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Speaker 5: But there's a huge Yeah, there's a huge difference in

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Speaker 5: the way that people manage fear. And you know, people

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Speaker 5: that are not used to being in frightening situations usually

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Speaker 5: suffer from a deer response, you know, like a deer

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Speaker 5: in the headlights and they freeze. But when you see

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Speaker 5: people who are often in frightening situations, and you could

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Speaker 5: include a lot of soldiers at police, firefighters, people that

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Speaker 5: have to confront a fearful situation develop the knack of

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Speaker 5: working their way through it, not getting caught in the headlights,

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Speaker 5: but actually you know, working steadily through a solution to

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Speaker 5: get themselves out of that fix. But I have to

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Speaker 5: say that, you know, the most important part of my

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Speaker 5: job is actually avoiding the risk that creates those fearful situations.

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Speaker 5: I'm never fearful in a sub because they have been

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Speaker 5: prepared by a team of experts, by a team of engineers,

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Speaker 5: and all of the risk is being mitigated out of them.

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Speaker 4: And we will come back to that rob But working

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Speaker 4: with the likes of James Cameron and Victor Vescovov, did

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Speaker 4: they have a similar thirst to you? Could you see

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Speaker 4: that within those sorts of people that they weren't there

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Speaker 4: might have been a level of fear, but more excitement

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Speaker 4: and getting into the unknown and that explorer spirit.

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, and they're very similar in a lot of regards.

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Speaker 5: Jim is an explorer at heart, with a bit of

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Speaker 5: filmmaking on the side to pay for his habit. You know,

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Speaker 5: he's very, very accomplished obviously at making movies and he

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Speaker 5: enjoys it. But in his heart he is an explorer

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Speaker 5: and he's done a great deal for ocean exploration and

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Speaker 5: bringing the feeling of exploring the ocean into people's TV screens.

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Speaker 5: Victor is a different, similar, bit different. You know. Victor

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Speaker 5: is an adventurer. He likes to push himself and he

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Speaker 5: came into ocean exploration almost by accident because he was

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Speaker 5: looking for his next big thing. He wanted to go

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Speaker 5: to the Marianas Trench because it was the deepest point

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Speaker 5: to the world's ocean, and then he worked out that

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Speaker 5: no one had been to the deepest point of the

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Speaker 5: other four oceans, and so that's what formed the Five

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Speaker 5: Deeps expedition.

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Speaker 2: Now, speaking of screens and TV, the ocean Gate documentary

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Speaker 2: on Netflix, you say there was no way of knowing

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Speaker 2: when Titan was going to fail, but it was a

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Speaker 2: mathematical certainty that it would fail. You walked away from

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Speaker 2: the Titan project. What were the specific red flags you

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Speaker 2: saw that made you not want to be involved at all.

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Speaker 5: That's a good question, And you know it's interesting because

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Speaker 5: I was explained to someone the other day. You know,

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Speaker 5: the sequence of the documentary is quite right. You know,

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Speaker 5: I left ocean Gate even before they built anything. I

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Speaker 5: left when Stockton decided that he was going to build

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Speaker 5: an unclassed vehicle, and then I spent even after I'd left,

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Speaker 5: I spent two years sort of trying to turn him

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Speaker 5: around because I didn't want anyone to get hurt. The

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Speaker 5: red flags for me was the inability to listen and

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Speaker 5: the inability to consult outside of the group. So I

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Speaker 5: think A very important hallmark of leadership is being able

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Speaker 5: to solicit counterviews and then to consider them and be

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Speaker 5: prepared to change your stance or your approach based on

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Speaker 5: that feedback. And if you're not prepared to do that,

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Speaker 5: if you're not even prepared to hear account of you,

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Speaker 5: then you're already beginning to set yourself up for a failure.

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Speaker 5: So that was the first red flag. The second red

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Speaker 5: flag was the fired Dave Lockrichs, chief pilot, for blowing

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Speaker 5: the whistaw on several safety concerns. And that's a big

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Speaker 5: red flag. I mean, when you not only are not

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Speaker 5: prepared to listen to a core member of your staff

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Speaker 5: point out in a very professional manner where all of

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Speaker 5: the faults are, but then you go on to fire

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Speaker 5: that person and then you sue them in court to

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Speaker 5: keep them quiet. That's a real problem.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to the New Zealand deep sea explorer and

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Speaker 2: expert Rob McCallum now speaking of Stockton Rush, who's CEO.

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Speaker 2: Some people stood up, but some people didn't. He seems

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Speaker 2: to have created an almost cult like following at Ocean

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Speaker 2: Gate that may have led to the disaster. That suggests

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Speaker 2: charisma and your experience. What kind of person was Stockton Rush?

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Speaker 2: Was he charismatic?

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Speaker 18: Did?

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Speaker 2: Did he draw you in it?

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Speaker 3: All?

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Speaker 18: Oh?

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Speaker 5: He is a very He was a very charming guy,

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Speaker 5: very charismatic. But it didn't take very long to work

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Speaker 5: out that it was his way or the highway. You know.

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Speaker 5: He was very tenacious, very single minded that his way

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Speaker 5: was right and he just wouldn't entertain anything anything different,

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Speaker 5: and so it doesn't take long to see through people

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Speaker 5: like that.

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Speaker 4: Rob, we're really loving this chat. We're just going to

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Speaker 4: play some messages and come back with some more questions

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Speaker 4: if that's okay. Yeah, sure, we are talking to deep

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Speaker 4: ocean exploring expert Rob McCullum. Stay tuned back very shortly

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Speaker 4: here on news Talk ZB.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

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01:28:14,293 --> 01:28:16,173
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

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Speaker 4: We are joined by New Zealand deep sea diving expert

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01:28:20,333 --> 01:28:23,372
Speaker 4: and explorer Rob McCullum. Rob, thanks again very much for

1731
01:28:23,412 --> 01:28:23,812
Speaker 4: your time.

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01:28:24,372 --> 01:28:28,333
Speaker 2: The Titans carbon fiber hull has been called a death

1733
01:28:28,412 --> 01:28:32,493
Speaker 2: trap before the tragic events that led to its implosion.

1734
01:28:32,652 --> 01:28:36,293
Speaker 2: Can you please explain playing language why carbon fiber behaves

1735
01:28:36,333 --> 01:28:39,932
Speaker 2: so differently under a deep ocean pressure compared with say

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01:28:40,133 --> 01:28:41,372
Speaker 2: steel or titanium.

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01:28:41,492 --> 01:28:46,213
Speaker 5: Steel and titanium are obviously metals that are of a

1738
01:28:46,333 --> 01:28:50,812
Speaker 5: known composition, and they are well understood by engineers, and

1739
01:28:50,853 --> 01:28:53,812
Speaker 5: they will be able to calculate what the safe dive

1740
01:28:53,933 --> 01:28:57,412
Speaker 5: depth of that submersible would be. So, for instance, when

1741
01:28:57,452 --> 01:29:01,732
Speaker 5: we built Limiting Factor, which is the submersible we use

1742
01:29:01,812 --> 01:29:05,412
Speaker 5: to go to foll ocean depth almost eleven thousand meters,

1743
01:29:05,772 --> 01:29:08,852
Speaker 5: we were able to calculate even before she made it

1744
01:29:08,893 --> 01:29:12,173
Speaker 5: off the drawing board exactly how much pressure that hull

1745
01:29:12,253 --> 01:29:14,932
Speaker 5: would be able to sustain, so that when we got

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01:29:14,973 --> 01:29:17,692
Speaker 5: to the test facility and we tested it to one

1747
01:29:17,732 --> 01:29:22,012
Speaker 5: point two five times that pressure, she behaved exactly as

1748
01:29:22,053 --> 01:29:25,532
Speaker 5: we'd calculated out. Can't do that with carbon fiber. The

1749
01:29:25,652 --> 01:29:29,252
Speaker 5: reason for that is that carbon fiber is a composite material.

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01:29:29,412 --> 01:29:33,532
Speaker 5: It's made up of essentially string that's held in place

1751
01:29:33,692 --> 01:29:37,852
Speaker 5: by a resin, and it's not going to be consistent material.

1752
01:29:37,933 --> 01:29:39,852
Speaker 5: It's going to have a lot of variation in it,

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01:29:39,973 --> 01:29:42,532
Speaker 5: and because of that, it's impossible to say where it's

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01:29:42,572 --> 01:29:43,572
Speaker 5: when it's going to break.

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01:29:43,692 --> 01:29:47,333
Speaker 2: Obviously, there was a terrible tragedy and horrible that people

1756
01:29:47,372 --> 01:29:51,293
Speaker 2: lost their lives. But there must be some small satisfaction

1757
01:29:51,333 --> 01:29:53,652
Speaker 2: wouldn't be the word, but for people like Dave that

1758
01:29:53,772 --> 01:29:57,932
Speaker 2: were so mistreated for the true story to be out

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01:29:57,973 --> 01:30:00,492
Speaker 2: now for the world to see, especially considering he was

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01:30:00,532 --> 01:30:03,812
Speaker 2: taken to court for trying to call out the situation.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean after the premiere, we were interviewed about

1762
01:30:07,812 --> 01:30:10,412
Speaker 5: you know, do you feel vindicated, And it's like, you know, honestly,

1763
01:30:10,452 --> 01:30:13,972
Speaker 5: we feel sick because we tried so very hard, him

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01:30:13,973 --> 01:30:16,772
Speaker 5: as inside man, as me an outside man to try

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01:30:16,812 --> 01:30:20,173
Speaker 5: and get Stockton to see the light and stop what

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01:30:20,213 --> 01:30:23,612
Speaker 5: he was doing, and failed. And five people lost their lives,

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01:30:23,692 --> 01:30:26,732
Speaker 5: and one was Stockton, and you know, it's kind of

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01:30:26,893 --> 01:30:29,173
Speaker 5: he had that coming to him. He was determined to

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01:30:29,213 --> 01:30:31,933
Speaker 5: follow that path. Two others were warned and knew the

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01:30:32,053 --> 01:30:34,652
Speaker 5: risks and took their chances, and the other two were

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01:30:34,692 --> 01:30:38,293
Speaker 5: complete innocents. Yeah, and it's them that I feel the

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01:30:38,372 --> 01:30:39,572
Speaker 5: most sorrow for.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that you did everything that you could?

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01:30:43,173 --> 01:30:46,333
Speaker 2: Is there Do you feel that there was nothing more

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01:30:46,372 --> 01:30:47,572
Speaker 2: you could do to stop them?

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01:30:48,173 --> 01:30:48,213
Speaker 1: No?

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01:30:48,412 --> 01:30:51,653
Speaker 5: I don't think there was anything more. Because we initially

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01:30:51,772 --> 01:30:54,853
Speaker 5: on the formal side of things, we got that information

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01:30:55,093 --> 01:30:57,972
Speaker 5: to Osha you know, the occupational safety and health folks,

1780
01:30:58,412 --> 01:31:01,013
Speaker 5: and also to the Coast Guard. And those are the

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01:31:01,053 --> 01:31:04,492
Speaker 5: two entities, one state and one federal, that had the

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01:31:04,532 --> 01:31:07,452
Speaker 5: authority to actually put a stop to it, and they didn't,

1783
01:31:07,572 --> 01:31:10,812
Speaker 5: but they have the legal authority. Neither Dave nor I

1784
01:31:10,893 --> 01:31:13,492
Speaker 5: have any authority at all. So then we switched to

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01:31:13,572 --> 01:31:16,173
Speaker 5: the informal approach, and you know, I spent the last

1786
01:31:16,213 --> 01:31:19,333
Speaker 5: three years sort of sabotage in the operation by making

1787
01:31:19,372 --> 01:31:22,372
Speaker 5: it clear that anybody that was wanting to go in

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01:31:22,492 --> 01:31:24,973
Speaker 5: Titan should give me a call first. And I think

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01:31:25,013 --> 01:31:27,612
Speaker 5: there's something like three dozen people that we talked out

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01:31:27,652 --> 01:31:30,492
Speaker 5: of going in the vehicle, many of whom are now

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01:31:30,532 --> 01:31:33,812
Speaker 5: in touch and extremely grateful. But the other two, the

1792
01:31:33,812 --> 01:31:37,492
Speaker 5: most important, were the investors who called and said is

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01:31:37,492 --> 01:31:40,333
Speaker 5: this a good investment and able to say no, and

1794
01:31:40,372 --> 01:31:42,732
Speaker 5: here is why. And I think in some ways that

1795
01:31:43,213 --> 01:31:45,572
Speaker 5: sped up the demise of ocean Gate.

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01:31:46,133 --> 01:31:48,253
Speaker 2: Now this is probably a difficult question to answer, but

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01:31:48,293 --> 01:31:50,492
Speaker 2: what were your first thoughts when you heard that the

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01:31:50,612 --> 01:31:52,572
Speaker 2: ocean Gate disaster had taken place.

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01:31:52,732 --> 01:31:54,333
Speaker 5: I was at sea and it was like three or

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01:31:54,333 --> 01:31:56,612
Speaker 5: four o'clock in the morning, and I got a call

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01:31:56,812 --> 01:31:59,532
Speaker 5: from someone who said, the subs imploded. We've just heard

1802
01:31:59,572 --> 01:32:03,013
Speaker 5: the signature, so I knew straightaway that it imploded, and

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01:32:03,093 --> 01:32:05,772
Speaker 5: I sort of was confused over the following three or

1804
01:32:05,812 --> 01:32:08,852
Speaker 5: four days because there was the oxygen count down and

1805
01:32:09,213 --> 01:32:11,932
Speaker 5: the race against time, and it's like these guys died

1806
01:32:11,973 --> 01:32:15,133
Speaker 5: in a blink. I mean, what are we doing with

1807
01:32:15,253 --> 01:32:19,452
Speaker 5: the search and rescue exercise. I will never understand how

1808
01:32:20,013 --> 01:32:23,652
Speaker 5: Stockton actually got that first hull through sea trials. I mean,

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01:32:23,692 --> 01:32:27,093
Speaker 5: I honestly, most of my colleagues expected that the sub

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01:32:27,093 --> 01:32:30,412
Speaker 5: would fail in the first sea trial and that would

1811
01:32:30,412 --> 01:32:33,133
Speaker 5: be the end of the sub. And Stockton and ocean Gate.

1812
01:32:33,253 --> 01:32:35,532
Speaker 2: Now and the doc you stated that stocked and saw

1813
01:32:35,572 --> 01:32:38,972
Speaker 2: an opportunity to restart tourists visits to Titanic or start

1814
01:32:39,013 --> 01:32:41,652
Speaker 2: them stocked, and fully believed in what he was doing

1815
01:32:41,732 --> 01:32:44,492
Speaker 2: that it would work. You've been deeper than anyone in

1816
01:32:44,532 --> 01:32:47,452
Speaker 2: various vessels. Do you think deep sea tourism like ocean

1817
01:32:47,452 --> 01:32:50,053
Speaker 2: Gate was trying to get going as possible or is

1818
01:32:50,053 --> 01:32:51,052
Speaker 2: it just too dangerous?

1819
01:32:51,452 --> 01:32:53,732
Speaker 5: No, it's absolutely possible. I mean, if you look at

1820
01:32:53,732 --> 01:32:56,972
Speaker 5: the rest of the sub industry over the last fifty years,

1821
01:32:57,053 --> 01:33:00,333
Speaker 5: there's been tens of millions of people that have been

1822
01:33:00,372 --> 01:33:02,532
Speaker 5: for a dive and a sub and there's never been

1823
01:33:02,652 --> 01:33:06,533
Speaker 5: an incident. Ocean Gate was outside of the industry, absolutely

1824
01:33:06,652 --> 01:33:10,173
Speaker 5: refused any advice from the industry, went out of their

1825
01:33:10,213 --> 01:33:13,333
Speaker 5: way to work around all the rules that the industry follows,

1826
01:33:13,893 --> 01:33:18,373
Speaker 5: and they paid a terrible price. But my most rewarding

1827
01:33:18,492 --> 01:33:22,532
Speaker 5: dive was in a tourist sub in Hawaii. The people

1828
01:33:22,572 --> 01:33:25,172
Speaker 5: in front of me were from Kansas. The people behind

1829
01:33:25,253 --> 01:33:29,012
Speaker 5: me were from Oklahoma. They'd never seen the ocean before,

1830
01:33:29,412 --> 01:33:32,772
Speaker 5: They'd never been on the ocean before, they most certainly

1831
01:33:32,772 --> 01:33:36,573
Speaker 5: had never been underneath it. And to hear their commentary

1832
01:33:36,692 --> 01:33:39,852
Speaker 5: and to hear their worldview open up in real time

1833
01:33:40,133 --> 01:33:44,173
Speaker 5: was just amazing. And I certainly hope that tens of

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01:33:44,213 --> 01:33:46,253
Speaker 5: millions of more people get that opportunity.

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01:33:46,333 --> 01:33:49,573
Speaker 4: I'm getting ghostbumpsters hearing you talk about that, Rob, Absolutely

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01:33:49,572 --> 01:33:53,133
Speaker 4: incredible to have that opportunity. Final question from me, Rob,

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01:33:53,173 --> 01:33:55,812
Speaker 4: as you mentioned, you were sitting by David Lockridge at

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01:33:55,853 --> 01:33:58,133
Speaker 4: the premiere, how's David doing? Now?

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01:33:58,652 --> 01:34:02,372
Speaker 5: You know he's good, I mean good compared to where

1840
01:34:02,412 --> 01:34:05,213
Speaker 5: he was. I mean he used to really swing from

1841
01:34:05,372 --> 01:34:09,293
Speaker 5: sort of survivors guilt through to blind rage. But at

1842
01:34:09,293 --> 01:34:11,612
Speaker 5: that sort of leveled to the point where now that

1843
01:34:11,652 --> 01:34:16,012
Speaker 5: it's coming out, the documentaries are out, but the formal

1844
01:34:16,093 --> 01:34:21,852
Speaker 5: investigation report will be out probably this month, and that'll

1845
01:34:21,893 --> 01:34:25,212
Speaker 5: take a little while for people to digest. But obviously

1846
01:34:25,293 --> 01:34:29,053
Speaker 5: the federal agencies that are involved with the prosecutions have

1847
01:34:29,133 --> 01:34:31,452
Speaker 5: already been in touch over the last couple of years,

1848
01:34:31,973 --> 01:34:34,772
Speaker 5: and then I think you'll see justice being done and

1849
01:34:34,812 --> 01:34:38,573
Speaker 5: that'll be the final chapter in the ocean Gate story.

1850
01:34:39,213 --> 01:34:42,133
Speaker 2: Rob After decades of pushing underwater boundaries, are you still

1851
01:34:42,133 --> 01:34:45,053
Speaker 2: passionate about the deepotion? What are your thoughts about the

1852
01:34:45,053 --> 01:34:48,372
Speaker 2: balance of ambition to see and do great things and

1853
01:34:48,452 --> 01:34:51,772
Speaker 2: safety and has this accident tainted at all your feelings

1854
01:34:51,812 --> 01:34:52,852
Speaker 2: towards the industry.

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01:34:53,053 --> 01:34:56,812
Speaker 5: I mean, we run an expedition company. You know, we've

1856
01:34:56,853 --> 01:35:01,613
Speaker 5: completed over eighteen hundred expeditions, all of them safe and successful.

1857
01:35:03,053 --> 01:35:05,452
Speaker 5: You know, I don't introduce myself as an explorer because

1858
01:35:05,492 --> 01:35:08,173
Speaker 5: people expect someone taller wearing a pith helmet with it

1859
01:35:08,492 --> 01:35:11,412
Speaker 5: done for tigers or something. But you know, we're in

1860
01:35:11,452 --> 01:35:14,253
Speaker 5: the We're in the business of full time exploration, and

1861
01:35:14,452 --> 01:35:17,693
Speaker 5: you know that comes with an image, but the reality

1862
01:35:18,053 --> 01:35:21,772
Speaker 5: is that we spend most of our time identifying risks

1863
01:35:21,812 --> 01:35:26,293
Speaker 5: and mitigating risks before we even leave home, because it

1864
01:35:26,333 --> 01:35:28,852
Speaker 5: doesn't count as a world first or a world record

1865
01:35:28,933 --> 01:35:32,333
Speaker 5: unless everybody makes it back alive. So we're not you know,

1866
01:35:32,412 --> 01:35:35,253
Speaker 5: we are explorers, we are expeditioners, but we are not

1867
01:35:35,412 --> 01:35:39,133
Speaker 5: really sort of extreme adventure types who are prepared to

1868
01:35:39,133 --> 01:35:40,013
Speaker 5: put everything.

1869
01:35:39,732 --> 01:35:40,973
Speaker 2: On the line.

1870
01:35:41,053 --> 01:35:44,092
Speaker 5: And I think that that will continue because the ocean

1871
01:35:44,173 --> 01:35:46,652
Speaker 5: is there. It covers seventy one percent of our planet

1872
01:35:47,213 --> 01:35:51,852
Speaker 5: and there are answers in the ocean that will help

1873
01:35:51,933 --> 01:35:54,372
Speaker 5: us with some of the challenges that we have as

1874
01:35:54,412 --> 01:35:56,212
Speaker 5: a species in the future.

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01:35:56,893 --> 01:35:58,692
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for talking to us.

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01:35:59,173 --> 01:35:59,452
Speaker 6: Rob.

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01:35:59,692 --> 01:36:02,853
Speaker 2: You know, you're a great New Zealand. It was inspirational

1878
01:36:02,893 --> 01:36:05,012
Speaker 2: seeing you on the dock, and it's inspirational reading about

1879
01:36:05,013 --> 01:36:07,412
Speaker 2: everything and you've done and seeing what you've done. So

1880
01:36:07,853 --> 01:36:09,892
Speaker 2: absolute honor and a privilege to talk to you today.

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01:36:09,933 --> 01:36:10,652
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

1882
01:36:10,933 --> 01:36:12,893
Speaker 6: It's matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1883
01:36:13,333 --> 01:36:17,532
Speaker 4: What an incredible New Zealander and what a candid interview

1884
01:36:17,572 --> 01:36:19,572
Speaker 4: that was from Rob McCallum. Now we had a longer

1885
01:36:19,692 --> 01:36:21,612
Speaker 4: chat with Rob. If you want to find that interview,

1886
01:36:21,612 --> 01:36:25,412
Speaker 4: you can find that online at iHeartRadio and on our

1887
01:36:25,452 --> 01:36:28,692
Speaker 4: podcast to search Matt and Tyler's afternoons and you'll find

1888
01:36:28,692 --> 01:36:30,732
Speaker 4: it right there, and also on news Talk zb dot

1889
01:36:30,772 --> 01:36:33,133
Speaker 4: co dot n Z. We had a chat with him

1890
01:36:33,173 --> 01:36:36,492
Speaker 4: for about half an hour and certainly some candid bits

1891
01:36:36,492 --> 01:36:39,173
Speaker 4: of information in that interview. Right coming up, it is

1892
01:36:39,293 --> 01:36:43,533
Speaker 4: the big Super Rugby Final this weekend, Crusaders versus Chiefs

1893
01:36:43,572 --> 01:36:45,972
Speaker 4: down in christ Church. We're going to catch up with

1894
01:36:46,093 --> 01:36:57,492
Speaker 4: Crusader Scott Barrett very shortly. It is twenty eight to four.

1895
01:36:55,772 --> 01:36:59,333
Speaker 15: News Talks be headlines with blue bubble taxis.

1896
01:36:59,492 --> 01:37:01,253
Speaker 2: It's no trouble with a blue bubble.

1897
01:37:01,732 --> 01:37:05,452
Speaker 15: The Education Minister's detailed money being handed up for school

1898
01:37:05,492 --> 01:37:10,213
Speaker 15: infrastructure in Otago, with thirteen million dollars going to new classes.

1899
01:37:10,853 --> 01:37:14,293
Speaker 15: Ericus Stanford says just under five hundred thousand dollars is

1900
01:37:14,372 --> 01:37:18,253
Speaker 15: going into encouraging final year teaching students to do rural

1901
01:37:18,412 --> 01:37:22,932
Speaker 15: or isolated school placements, with a four thousand dollars ahead payment.

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01:37:24,053 --> 01:37:27,412
Speaker 15: An armed police stand office continuing in Auckland's Mount Roscal

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01:37:27,692 --> 01:37:31,333
Speaker 15: with traffic diverted and cordon's up while officers try to

1904
01:37:31,372 --> 01:37:35,212
Speaker 15: engage with a person in a house. Christ Church police

1905
01:37:35,253 --> 01:37:39,412
Speaker 15: are reviewing drone footage and again asking Ricketon residents to

1906
01:37:39,532 --> 01:37:44,892
Speaker 15: check backyards, sheds, sleepouts and CCTV files for Elizabeth Nichols.

1907
01:37:45,253 --> 01:37:48,013
Speaker 15: The seventy nine year old has dementia and has been

1908
01:37:48,053 --> 01:37:52,612
Speaker 15: missing for more than two weeks. New Zealand's sanctioning eighteen

1909
01:37:52,772 --> 01:37:58,093
Speaker 15: individuals and entities supporting Russia's war efforts against Ukraine and

1910
01:37:58,253 --> 01:38:03,412
Speaker 15: twenty seven more vessels publican on rugby, running, tough bars

1911
01:38:03,612 --> 01:38:06,492
Speaker 15: and the night he sold eighty five kegs of guinness.

1912
01:38:06,853 --> 01:38:09,133
Speaker 15: See the full story at ends at here all premium.

1913
01:38:09,452 --> 01:38:11,852
Speaker 15: Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams news talks.

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01:38:11,853 --> 01:38:15,612
Speaker 4: There'd be so huge Super Rugby Final this Saturday night

1915
01:38:15,652 --> 01:38:19,932
Speaker 4: at Apollo Project Stadium in christ dur Crusaders versus the Chiefs.

1916
01:38:19,973 --> 01:38:21,652
Speaker 4: It's going to be your doozy and joining us now

1917
01:38:21,772 --> 01:38:25,253
Speaker 4: is Scott Barrett Crusaders Lock Scott, good afternoon to you.

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01:38:25,652 --> 01:38:26,692
Speaker 7: Good afternoon guys.

1919
01:38:26,933 --> 01:38:29,293
Speaker 2: How's the team looking ahead of the big clash? Scott?

1920
01:38:29,732 --> 01:38:31,972
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, it's been a great week so far. We've

1921
01:38:32,013 --> 01:38:36,452
Speaker 7: just come off the training pitch for our main training

1922
01:38:36,452 --> 01:38:39,612
Speaker 7: of the week, so yeah, polishing up the preparations and

1923
01:38:39,853 --> 01:38:40,772
Speaker 7: looking forward to Saturday.

1924
01:38:40,933 --> 01:38:43,093
Speaker 2: Any word on the head not protocols and how they're

1925
01:38:43,093 --> 01:38:44,532
Speaker 2: going to run that because that was a bit of

1926
01:38:44,532 --> 01:38:45,932
Speaker 2: a Fiesco last week, wasn't it.

1927
01:38:46,213 --> 01:38:49,532
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, there was a couple of pings the old

1928
01:38:49,532 --> 01:38:54,612
Speaker 7: mouthguards and Ethan I think he went off wrongly, got

1929
01:38:54,652 --> 01:38:57,452
Speaker 7: the numbers wrong. I think, yeah, yeah that my mouth

1930
01:38:57,452 --> 01:39:00,892
Speaker 7: guard went ping when I sort of quite yeah, the

1931
01:39:00,893 --> 01:39:04,053
Speaker 7: Blues prop and yeah I ended up going off. But

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Speaker 7: hopefully yeah, there's nothing too Yeah, no mix ups this week.

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Speaker 2: Now the Chiefs have beaten you twice this season, can

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01:39:11,452 --> 01:39:12,852
Speaker 2: can they do it again on Saturday?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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01:39:13,853 --> 01:39:16,213
Speaker 7: Yeah, they have been right on. They obviously finished with

1937
01:39:16,253 --> 01:39:18,852
Speaker 7: the minor premiership or the finishing on top of the table,

1938
01:39:18,893 --> 01:39:21,092
Speaker 7: and yeah, we've got to give them that most respect

1939
01:39:21,492 --> 01:39:25,012
Speaker 7: coming down here. You know, we're quietly confident in playing

1940
01:39:25,093 --> 01:39:28,532
Speaker 7: our game and you know, sticking up our intensity with before.

1941
01:39:28,572 --> 01:39:31,253
Speaker 7: You're aware that they embarrassed us the last couple of

1942
01:39:31,253 --> 01:39:32,492
Speaker 7: times they played us this season.

1943
01:39:32,572 --> 01:39:35,173
Speaker 4: So it's all on the line this week Crusaders. Of course,

1944
01:39:35,173 --> 01:39:37,612
Speaker 4: scott have never lost a finals game in christ Church?

1945
01:39:37,732 --> 01:39:39,612
Speaker 4: Is that at the back of you and the boys's mind.

1946
01:39:40,093 --> 01:39:41,732
Speaker 7: I yuess you get a little bit of confidence from that,

1947
01:39:41,933 --> 01:39:43,812
Speaker 7: but at the end of the day, it's a one

1948
01:39:43,812 --> 01:39:46,812
Speaker 7: off game, you know, that's sort of history. That's eighty

1949
01:39:46,853 --> 01:39:49,492
Speaker 7: minutes of going toe to toe with the chiefs or

1950
01:39:49,853 --> 01:39:53,293
Speaker 7: quality outfit, and you know it might go eighty five

1951
01:39:53,412 --> 01:39:56,692
Speaker 7: eighty seven last week and we were getting for a

1952
01:39:56,772 --> 01:40:00,173
Speaker 7: decent performance and we're certainly up for the challenge.

1953
01:40:00,412 --> 01:40:03,212
Speaker 2: So it's sold out, and it sold out really really quickly.

1954
01:40:04,293 --> 01:40:06,452
Speaker 2: And look, it's coming to the end the stadium. Are

1955
01:40:06,452 --> 01:40:08,133
Speaker 2: you going to miss the old stadium when it's gone?

1956
01:40:08,452 --> 01:40:09,732
Speaker 2: Can you move into your new digs.

1957
01:40:11,013 --> 01:40:13,213
Speaker 7: There's a lot of history there, a lot of fun

1958
01:40:13,293 --> 01:40:16,253
Speaker 7: memories over the years that I did play there, and

1959
01:40:16,412 --> 01:40:19,572
Speaker 7: I have played there, and I guess it would be

1960
01:40:19,572 --> 01:40:21,772
Speaker 7: great to move into a new stadium. I've watched a

1961
01:40:21,772 --> 01:40:23,972
Speaker 7: few in the stands there and when the Southerly done

1962
01:40:25,053 --> 01:40:29,213
Speaker 7: pretty daly, Yeah, the breeze comes up from underneath and

1963
01:40:29,293 --> 01:40:31,572
Speaker 7: it goes straight through you. Yet, sold out pretty quick

1964
01:40:31,572 --> 01:40:33,572
Speaker 7: and we're looking forward to having one more game there

1965
01:40:33,772 --> 01:40:34,652
Speaker 7: in front of our fans.

1966
01:40:35,173 --> 01:40:38,093
Speaker 2: Now, Scott Barrett, So, of course last year was a

1967
01:40:38,133 --> 01:40:40,653
Speaker 2: very tough season for you. Did you have a documentary

1968
01:40:40,652 --> 01:40:42,692
Speaker 2: team or anything following you? Because if you turn this

1969
01:40:42,772 --> 01:40:46,052
Speaker 2: around and you win after where you were last season

1970
01:40:46,093 --> 01:40:50,612
Speaker 2: and the turnaround to go from salad dwellers to if

1971
01:40:50,612 --> 01:40:52,253
Speaker 2: you do win and we're not trying to jinx it,

1972
01:40:52,412 --> 01:40:55,253
Speaker 2: but that would be an amazing story. Has anyone been

1973
01:40:55,293 --> 01:40:58,772
Speaker 2: documenting this to make the Netflix documentary on it?

1974
01:40:59,173 --> 01:41:02,293
Speaker 7: Not to sure about the long form, but yeah, probably

1975
01:41:02,333 --> 01:41:07,973
Speaker 7: the instagram that would have you know, you've had a

1976
01:41:07,973 --> 01:41:11,333
Speaker 7: piece together and make away short form, I guess. But

1977
01:41:12,013 --> 01:41:15,492
Speaker 7: you know, we certainly have bounced and there was an

1978
01:41:15,492 --> 01:41:19,812
Speaker 7: attitude shift from day day one this year. So yeah,

1979
01:41:19,853 --> 01:41:23,692
Speaker 7: we're hoping to put one more last effort into hopefully

1980
01:41:23,692 --> 01:41:24,692
Speaker 7: look at trophy.

1981
01:41:24,812 --> 01:41:26,812
Speaker 2: So you think that's that's the difference. What is the

1982
01:41:26,812 --> 01:41:29,852
Speaker 2: difference really, it's such a such a light and dark season,

1983
01:41:29,933 --> 01:41:33,133
Speaker 2: dark and light season, such a change around. Is the attitude.

1984
01:41:33,173 --> 01:41:35,532
Speaker 2: There's been some players that have come back. What do

1985
01:41:35,532 --> 01:41:36,892
Speaker 2: you think has been the big change?

1986
01:41:37,293 --> 01:41:40,372
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a clear attitude. You know, when you have

1987
01:41:40,452 --> 01:41:43,492
Speaker 7: that sort of season, it does sort of change and

1988
01:41:43,532 --> 01:41:46,972
Speaker 7: you don't really want to go through that again. That's

1989
01:41:47,013 --> 01:41:49,932
Speaker 7: I guess. The nature of the Crusaders are pretty pretty driven,

1990
01:41:49,973 --> 01:41:52,972
Speaker 7: and you know the flip side of that is we've

1991
01:41:52,973 --> 01:41:54,692
Speaker 7: had a good run of.

1992
01:41:56,173 --> 01:41:56,572
Speaker 21: You know, with.

1993
01:41:56,572 --> 01:41:59,852
Speaker 7: Injuries and key guys have been playing some regular minutes

1994
01:41:59,893 --> 01:42:02,852
Speaker 7: and a lot of young guys are really deepping up

1995
01:42:02,853 --> 01:42:05,213
Speaker 7: and owning their time in the Jersey as well.

1996
01:42:05,893 --> 01:42:06,173
Speaker 22: Well.

1997
01:42:06,213 --> 01:42:09,692
Speaker 2: All the best for Saturday night, mate, and look the

1998
01:42:10,093 --> 01:42:12,452
Speaker 2: whole nation is excited and will be tuning in. It's

1999
01:42:12,452 --> 01:42:16,173
Speaker 2: going to be a fantastic fixed. Your two incredible teams,

2000
01:42:16,213 --> 01:42:18,093
Speaker 2: possibly the two best teams in the world at the moment,

2001
01:42:18,173 --> 01:42:20,532
Speaker 2: going head to head. So I for one can't wait

2002
01:42:20,572 --> 01:42:21,333
Speaker 2: to tune in.

2003
01:42:21,692 --> 01:42:24,532
Speaker 4: Yeers, Thanks guys, All the best mate. That is Scott

2004
01:42:24,532 --> 01:42:27,572
Speaker 4: Barrett Crusader's lock of course ahead of the huge Super

2005
01:42:27,612 --> 01:42:31,412
Speaker 4: Rugby Final this Saturday night at Apollo Project Stadium. It's

2006
01:42:31,452 --> 01:42:35,372
Speaker 4: going to be huge, Matten Taylor, So we want to

2007
01:42:35,372 --> 01:42:37,812
Speaker 4: have a chat to you ahead of that Super Rugby Final.

2008
01:42:37,853 --> 01:42:39,492
Speaker 4: How are you feeling and your hyped up? Who do

2009
01:42:39,532 --> 01:42:42,772
Speaker 4: you think is gonna worn Crusaders versus Chiefs. It has

2010
01:42:42,853 --> 01:42:46,372
Speaker 4: been a phenomenal Super Rugby campaign and what a story

2011
01:42:46,412 --> 01:42:49,532
Speaker 4: for the Crusaders after last season. So if you are

2012
01:42:49,612 --> 01:42:51,013
Speaker 4: going to the game, really can to have a cheat

2013
01:42:51,013 --> 01:42:52,572
Speaker 4: to you on oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

2014
01:42:52,732 --> 01:42:54,812
Speaker 2: This is an interesting attitude from Malcolm that's come straight

2015
01:42:54,853 --> 01:42:56,333
Speaker 2: through in a nine two nine two. It'll be interesting

2016
01:42:56,372 --> 01:42:58,612
Speaker 2: if the Crusaders can keep their winning streak alive at

2017
01:42:58,612 --> 01:43:00,932
Speaker 2: the new stadium. Once they have a covered stadium, it'll

2018
01:43:00,933 --> 01:43:04,572
Speaker 2: probably open up more opportunities for away teams. That's from Malcolm. Yeah,

2019
01:43:04,572 --> 01:43:06,652
Speaker 2: that's right. You might get soft under the roof.

2020
01:43:06,612 --> 01:43:09,372
Speaker 4: Our conditioned to that by Team Cold Southerly at Apollo

2021
01:43:09,492 --> 01:43:10,412
Speaker 4: Project Stadium.

2022
01:43:10,532 --> 01:43:14,293
Speaker 2: It certainly is an inviting to Australian teams down there. Yeah, absolutely,

2023
01:43:14,412 --> 01:43:15,892
Speaker 2: But yeah, what do you think who's going to win

2024
01:43:16,133 --> 01:43:19,772
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. It's a hugely exciting fixture

2025
01:43:19,772 --> 01:43:23,732
Speaker 2: of the Chiefs have have have you know, humbled the

2026
01:43:23,772 --> 01:43:25,052
Speaker 2: Crusaders twice this season?

2027
01:43:25,093 --> 01:43:27,812
Speaker 4: They certainly have and their favorites, the Chiefs, they are.

2028
01:43:28,133 --> 01:43:29,892
Speaker 4: I just had a look a dollar eighty to the

2029
01:43:29,933 --> 01:43:32,852
Speaker 4: Chiefs to two dollars to Crusaders, so can teen fans.

2030
01:43:32,853 --> 01:43:34,492
Speaker 4: How do you feel about that? And if you are

2031
01:43:34,532 --> 01:43:36,652
Speaker 4: going down on Saturday night give us a buzz oh

2032
01:43:36,652 --> 01:43:38,693
Speaker 4: eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

2033
01:43:38,452 --> 01:43:41,173
Speaker 2: Are you Chiefs mana or your Crusaders hard.

2034
01:43:42,333 --> 01:43:45,572
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight

2035
01:43:45,612 --> 01:43:48,012
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heath and Tyler

2036
01:43:48,093 --> 01:43:49,972
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talks.

2037
01:43:49,973 --> 01:43:52,133
Speaker 4: They'd be very good afternoon and we're talking about the

2038
01:43:52,173 --> 01:43:55,692
Speaker 4: Super Rugby Final Saturday, of course in christ Church at

2039
01:43:55,732 --> 01:43:58,812
Speaker 4: Apollo Projects Stadium. Who you're backing? What do you think

2040
01:43:58,853 --> 01:44:02,012
Speaker 4: is gonna happen? It is a big game for both sides,

2041
01:44:02,053 --> 01:44:05,452
Speaker 4: Crusaders the Chiefs. Chiefs are the favorite currently according to

2042
01:44:05,492 --> 01:44:08,213
Speaker 4: the tab painted dollar eighty compared to two bucks for

2043
01:44:08,213 --> 01:44:10,692
Speaker 4: the Crusaders. So if you're going along, love to hear

2044
01:44:10,732 --> 01:44:12,372
Speaker 4: from you on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If

2045
01:44:12,372 --> 01:44:14,213
Speaker 4: you're watching from home, who you're backing?

2046
01:44:14,532 --> 01:44:17,253
Speaker 2: Got a couple of texts here on opposing camps. The

2047
01:44:17,293 --> 01:44:19,572
Speaker 2: dirty Cantabs can say goodbye to their thirty one to

2048
01:44:19,652 --> 01:44:23,372
Speaker 2: zero Chiefs by fifteen and that's it for the Crusaders.

2049
01:44:23,412 --> 01:44:26,133
Speaker 2: They will never win again. Terrible for the game that team.

2050
01:44:26,372 --> 01:44:29,253
Speaker 4: Wow, those are fighting words.

2051
01:44:29,293 --> 01:44:31,412
Speaker 2: It's funny when people say the Crusaders are bad for

2052
01:44:31,452 --> 01:44:33,973
Speaker 2: the game. I once shared that with Karen Reid and

2053
01:44:34,013 --> 01:44:36,612
Speaker 2: he said, well, anyone can come down and beat the

2054
01:44:36,612 --> 01:44:37,532
Speaker 2: Crusaders if they want.

2055
01:44:37,572 --> 01:44:39,492
Speaker 4: Yes, she's up to the opposing side to win. You

2056
01:44:39,572 --> 01:44:40,732
Speaker 4: don't come on The.

2057
01:44:40,652 --> 01:44:43,013
Speaker 2: Idea that you're bad for the competition because no one

2058
01:44:43,013 --> 01:44:45,933
Speaker 2: can beat you is an interesting take. This text, on

2059
01:44:45,973 --> 01:44:48,253
Speaker 2: the other hand, says Chiefs shouldn't even bother turning up

2060
01:44:48,772 --> 01:44:50,772
Speaker 2: as if mate hand it to the Crusaders right now.

2061
01:44:52,253 --> 01:44:53,772
Speaker 2: You couldn't get more opposing sides.

2062
01:44:54,013 --> 01:44:59,572
Speaker 3: James, Yeah, Hi, James speaking James Hell, I was just

2063
01:44:59,612 --> 01:45:02,932
Speaker 3: bringing up about the game. I'm going to be unable

2064
01:45:02,973 --> 01:45:04,972
Speaker 3: to make it, but my son and all his mates

2065
01:45:04,973 --> 01:45:06,892
Speaker 3: are turning up and they're catching up with a lot

2066
01:45:06,973 --> 01:45:09,572
Speaker 3: of ex pats. Just wanted to put it out there

2067
01:45:10,133 --> 01:45:13,532
Speaker 3: for all the Crusaders fans about the cow bells. All

2068
01:45:13,532 --> 01:45:17,212
Speaker 3: the boys are loading their phones up off YouTube cowbell

2069
01:45:17,293 --> 01:45:21,412
Speaker 3: sounds that it's going to be louder than left they

2070
01:45:21,452 --> 01:45:22,132
Speaker 3: had bells.

2071
01:45:24,652 --> 01:45:27,213
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's a miss step to ban the cowbells.

2072
01:45:27,253 --> 01:45:31,532
Speaker 3: Come on, I mean, well they themselves in the foot

2073
01:45:31,572 --> 01:45:33,612
Speaker 3: on the broad Yeah, you're going to be it's going

2074
01:45:33,652 --> 01:45:35,772
Speaker 3: to be louder. It's going to be a much louder

2075
01:45:36,173 --> 01:45:40,093
Speaker 3: on those ten ten thousand phones are playing cow bells

2076
01:45:40,093 --> 01:45:42,452
Speaker 3: at the same time. It's going to kill the stadium.

2077
01:45:43,213 --> 01:45:47,093
Speaker 4: Love that, James and yeah, and so they managed they

2078
01:45:47,093 --> 01:45:49,452
Speaker 4: were lucky lucky enough to get tickets, and you say,

2079
01:45:49,492 --> 01:45:51,852
Speaker 4: go the Chiefs, how much do you reckon? They win

2080
01:45:51,893 --> 01:45:54,652
Speaker 4: by twelve points points.

2081
01:45:55,412 --> 01:45:58,013
Speaker 2: You're putting twelve points. You're putting your money with your

2082
01:45:58,053 --> 01:46:00,092
Speaker 2: mouth's there? You are you going to have a flutter

2083
01:46:00,173 --> 01:46:00,812
Speaker 2: on that, Jones.

2084
01:46:03,492 --> 01:46:07,173
Speaker 3: That's why I'm not going. I haven't got any money.

2085
01:46:07,692 --> 01:46:09,933
Speaker 4: You're a good man, Thank you very much, James. I

2086
01:46:09,973 --> 01:46:12,572
Speaker 4: mean that cowbell thing was, and I'm speaking here as

2087
01:46:12,572 --> 01:46:14,972
Speaker 4: a can tap, that was a weird decision to make.

2088
01:46:15,093 --> 01:46:17,372
Speaker 4: How many people we're gonna put cow bells in their bag,

2089
01:46:17,412 --> 01:46:21,412
Speaker 4: fly down to christ Church and invade Apollo projects with steelbelts.

2090
01:46:21,572 --> 01:46:25,052
Speaker 4: But it's created a bit of argie bargie between the teams,

2091
01:46:25,053 --> 01:46:29,412
Speaker 4: which I always like to see. Muzz says via text,

2092
01:46:29,973 --> 01:46:34,412
Speaker 4: sorry dog role talking about Scott Barrett. Of course the

2093
01:46:34,893 --> 01:46:36,973
Speaker 4: Chiefs are gonna whip Crusaders.

2094
01:46:37,013 --> 01:46:41,492
Speaker 2: Butts am, well, this person says the curse of Razor.

2095
01:46:41,692 --> 01:46:46,093
Speaker 2: He breakdownsd on hallowed Chiefs, Turf and the team. Now

2096
01:46:46,293 --> 01:46:47,892
Speaker 2: the Crusaders are cursed forever.

2097
01:46:49,893 --> 01:46:52,452
Speaker 4: I missed those breakdancing days. We need we needed a

2098
01:46:52,452 --> 01:46:53,732
Speaker 4: bit of that in the look.

2099
01:46:53,732 --> 01:46:56,333
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Razor, but it was a

2100
01:46:56,333 --> 01:46:59,692
Speaker 2: lot when he how would you say, was it break danced?

2101
01:47:00,053 --> 01:47:04,213
Speaker 2: He break danced? Yeah, he broke on on halloaed a

2102
01:47:04,293 --> 01:47:06,333
Speaker 2: Chiefs turf. Yeah he did, according to this text. So

2103
01:47:06,412 --> 01:47:08,612
Speaker 2: that started a curse at the last forever. I mean,

2104
01:47:09,213 --> 01:47:12,732
Speaker 2: the Crusaders did seem cursed last season. But you know

2105
01:47:12,812 --> 01:47:17,692
Speaker 2: they've had a typically gritty sort of a campaign this year,

2106
01:47:17,732 --> 01:47:18,013
Speaker 2: haven't they.

2107
01:47:18,053 --> 01:47:20,612
Speaker 4: They certainly have others teach uses. Guys. In the spirit

2108
01:47:20,652 --> 01:47:23,732
Speaker 4: of fairness, why haven't you interviewed a Chiefs player a

2109
01:47:23,732 --> 01:47:25,773
Speaker 4: bit like a ban on the cowbows.

2110
01:47:26,213 --> 01:47:26,492
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2111
01:47:26,532 --> 01:47:30,692
Speaker 2: Well, actually, Texter, I'm gonna because Tyler organized that interview.

2112
01:47:30,732 --> 01:47:33,652
Speaker 2: I certainly did so, and you're a terrible one eyed

2113
01:47:33,692 --> 01:47:36,973
Speaker 2: can tap, so that is that is actually rubbish from you.

2114
01:47:37,253 --> 01:47:39,213
Speaker 2: It was I'm just trying to get a we need

2115
01:47:39,213 --> 01:47:41,412
Speaker 2: to get a Chiefs We need to talk to a Chiefs.

2116
01:47:41,213 --> 01:47:44,372
Speaker 4: Supporter under the raider though, didn't I because when I said,

2117
01:47:44,572 --> 01:47:46,892
Speaker 4: you know, Scott Barrett's going to come on, and you said,

2118
01:47:46,893 --> 01:47:48,972
Speaker 4: oh yeah, yeah, yep, yep, dog roll it'll be good

2119
01:47:48,973 --> 01:47:51,213
Speaker 4: to chat and not one party, you said, hang on,

2120
01:47:51,253 --> 01:47:52,293
Speaker 4: what about a Chiefs player?

2121
01:47:52,572 --> 01:47:52,932
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2122
01:47:53,612 --> 01:47:55,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is slightly on me, but we

2123
01:47:55,772 --> 01:47:57,452
Speaker 2: need some chiefs maner up in this thing. I'll be

2124
01:47:57,492 --> 01:48:01,772
Speaker 2: in Topau watching this game. So so in chiefs territory.

2125
01:48:01,933 --> 01:48:03,133
Speaker 2: Yeah so I'm chief's manner.

2126
01:48:03,333 --> 01:48:06,932
Speaker 4: You are chiefs maner. But Greg I Reckon is a

2127
01:48:07,053 --> 01:48:12,772
Speaker 4: Crusaders fan. Greg, get a to you. You're going along

2128
01:48:12,812 --> 01:48:15,892
Speaker 4: to the game, Get a Greg?

2129
01:48:17,013 --> 01:48:19,213
Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, No, Unfortunately I couldn't get a ticket, but

2130
01:48:19,253 --> 01:48:21,133
Speaker 22: I'll be watched, you know, with my red and black

2131
01:48:21,213 --> 01:48:25,012
Speaker 22: cap on going for the Crusaders. Naturally, Hey talking about

2132
01:48:25,053 --> 01:48:26,772
Speaker 22: the cowbell then I thought it was sudding.

2133
01:48:26,853 --> 01:48:27,612
Speaker 8: I heard about it.

2134
01:48:27,652 --> 01:48:31,173
Speaker 22: But it's been a binge between Mainbridge Colin Bainbridge and

2135
01:48:31,253 --> 01:48:36,093
Speaker 22: the Hits the the Cheeks because being Crusader flags a

2136
01:48:36,093 --> 01:48:39,013
Speaker 22: few years ago when the Crusaders went up there. So

2137
01:48:39,452 --> 01:48:41,253
Speaker 22: I don't think they're going to stand there and try

2138
01:48:41,333 --> 01:48:44,732
Speaker 22: and confiscate cow bells before there's always found out of proportion.

2139
01:48:45,173 --> 01:48:47,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you Reckon if you if you turn up

2140
01:48:47,213 --> 01:48:49,852
Speaker 2: with the cow bell, you're there won't be any problems

2141
01:48:49,893 --> 01:48:50,173
Speaker 2: at all.

2142
01:48:51,412 --> 01:48:54,653
Speaker 22: You got more chance to get your hip flask tadd.

2143
01:48:54,452 --> 01:48:55,053
Speaker 8: Usia than.

2144
01:48:57,213 --> 01:48:59,253
Speaker 2: What about what about a hot fast with some rocket

2145
01:48:59,253 --> 01:49:00,412
Speaker 2: fueld just balanced in it?

2146
01:49:01,532 --> 01:49:03,213
Speaker 22: Calvanas try have you ever tried that.

2147
01:49:03,652 --> 01:49:05,372
Speaker 4: Tyler, what sorry I missed that.

2148
01:49:06,093 --> 01:49:08,573
Speaker 22: Help Calvanas. It's a freeings Brandy.

2149
01:49:09,053 --> 01:49:11,652
Speaker 4: Well, it sounds good. I haven't tried that. That seems

2150
01:49:11,692 --> 01:49:13,812
Speaker 4: like rich, a bit too rich for my blood.

2151
01:49:15,093 --> 01:49:17,253
Speaker 22: No, no, give it a shot. But you'll be going

2152
01:49:17,293 --> 01:49:19,572
Speaker 22: for the Crusaders. It'll be tough. They don't They have

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Speaker 22: faith as any good Crusader fan does, and who wouldn't

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Speaker 22: want to lose to the chief. That was the purgatory.

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Speaker 4: How they feeling about Rob Penny and Crusaders Country at

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Speaker 4: the moment? Greg, There was at one point last season

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Speaker 4: where the guy was almost run out of town.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, well, he had big shoes to step into. They

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Speaker 22: had a lot of injuries and there was a tough time.

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Speaker 22: And he's done very well this year. And they've had

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Speaker 22: a few of the players back, and there's a combination

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Speaker 22: of things and he's done well. And you know, it's

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Speaker 22: just stiffen to raise his shoes for the record guy

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Speaker 22: he had that. I defy anyone to be able to

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Speaker 22: do that. You know, follows through it's pretty tough. I

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Speaker 22: think he's he's done very well this year and I

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Speaker 22: think people recognize that.

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Speaker 4: He certainly seems a lot cheaper heading into this Super

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Speaker 4: Rugby final than he did last season, that's for sure.

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Speaker 4: He looks like a happy man and that's how a

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Speaker 4: head coach should be when you're in Crusader country.

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Speaker 3: Greek.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, well they should be. Yeah, so we'll see you

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Speaker 22: and keep our frienders crossed and hopefully set the old

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Speaker 22: stadium out in the style that would be great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'd love to hear from a Chiefs fan

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Speaker 2: coming through. Cowboys are a set up just to wind up,

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Speaker 2: CEO admitted last night. Really, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Old Colin Rainbridge seen pretty seats on

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Speaker 4: melting those down if you found them at the gates.

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Speaker 4: This is a massive Chiefs supporter. Guys, Chiefs will win,

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Speaker 4: it will be close, but Crusaders, in particular the Barrett

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Speaker 4: brothers will be penalized for their constant offside play and

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Speaker 4: hands in the ruck. Gardner is a top ref notes.

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Speaker 4: I have no skin in the game.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you have no skin in the game. So that's

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Speaker 2: just well, you know, that's the whole thing about this

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Speaker 2: this game as well, and what we've seen in the

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Speaker 2: finals and throughout the whole Super Rugby this year. Fantastic games.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic action. There's been faster than they were before. But

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Speaker 2: the head knock rules with no gray area, it becomes

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Speaker 2: an absolute lottery. So you can be the superior team.

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01:51:12,253 --> 01:51:14,412
Speaker 2: But if things go you'll go wrong for you and

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Speaker 2: there's a bit of an accidental head knock and then

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01:51:16,973 --> 01:51:19,692
Speaker 2: you get yellow cards are handed out. Then it can

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Speaker 2: go either way.

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Speaker 4: Yep, exactly. Looking forward to that Super Rugby Final of

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Speaker 4: course Saturday, Apollo Projects Stadium. It's going to be a doozy.

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Speaker 4: We've gotta play some messages. But back very shortly.

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Speaker 2: This Texas says I have a fake pair of binoculars

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Speaker 2: that I'm taking in holding one liter of booze.

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Speaker 4: Good man.

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Speaker 2: That man, Well, maybe I shouldn't have said that. Maybe

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Speaker 2: security be looking at binoculars.

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Speaker 1: Eight to four The big stories, the big issues, the

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Speaker 1: big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler

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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 4: It'd be it is five to four.

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Speaker 2: Thank you to all you great New Zealanders for listening

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Speaker 2: to the show this week. Thanks so much for all

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Speaker 2: your calls and text We've had a great time chatting.

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Speaker 2: Hope you have too. So many great calls this week

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Speaker 2: but Kira is our caller of the week. She was

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Speaker 2: being secretive about her old employee, but I think we

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Speaker 2: got it out of her.

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Speaker 20: And then it was made even more complicated because, of course,

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Speaker 20: thanks to Lindon Johnson, the agency is very geographically.

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Speaker 2: Is this NASA we're talking about here?

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Speaker 21: I can neither confirm nor deny, but let's just say

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Speaker 21: that as a result, there is a headquarters which is

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Speaker 21: based in one part of the country and an astronaut

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Speaker 21: base which is set in a different part.

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Speaker 20: It was it was very, very difficult to put it mildly.

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Speaker 2: Well, there you go, pretty sure she worked. Vanessa. The

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler Aftonons podcast will be out and about

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Speaker 2: now with a special extended version of the interview we

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Speaker 2: did with Rob McCallum, the key we undersee adventurer who

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Speaker 2: The Sir PEERL. Holmes, broadcaster of the Heather two pers

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Speaker 2: Ellen's up next, but right now, Tyler Why am I

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Speaker 2: playing that song from.

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Speaker 4: ACD Dirty Deeds by Ecadeca because of that dirty bugger

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Speaker 4: who ripped off larneck Castle.

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Speaker 6: How dare he?

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, well done. Now, wherever you are, whatever

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Speaker 2: you're doing until next week, have a great long weekend

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Speaker 2: and give him a taste of Kiwi from us in

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Speaker 2: cheefs mana love your.

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