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Speaker 1: Barry So, senior political correspondence with US.

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Speaker 2: Hey Barry, good afternoon, and welcome back here.

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Speaker 1: Though, Oh thank you so much, Barry. I'm just so

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Speaker 1: happy to be here. No, I actually am. I was

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Speaker 1: getting quite bored. Hey, okay, so the boot camps, Now,

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Speaker 1: what's the situation. What do we know about these dudes

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Speaker 1: who have run away?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's incredible, isn't it. As soon as you see

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Speaker 2: something going wrong, no matter what it is, you've got

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Speaker 2: the calls for the boot camps to be closed down,

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Speaker 2: that they don't work, and it's wishful thinking, I think

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Speaker 2: from the opposition because they were tried in the past

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Speaker 2: they didn't work very well. But this one and they're

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Speaker 2: legislating for them. These will be for not the boot

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Speaker 2: camps themselves, but the procedure will take a year to

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Speaker 2: get these kids, hopefully back on the straight and narrow.

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Speaker 2: What happened here was it was tragic that one of

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Speaker 2: the participants in the camp died in a car crash

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Speaker 2: in terral last week. And there was a tonguey. And

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Speaker 2: the thing that I found interesting it wasn't really explain

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Speaker 2: one escape from the tonguey despite being supervised by to

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Speaker 2: a rung A tame Iriki staff and then another left

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Speaker 2: a funal that he was staying with later. The transition

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Speaker 2: from the youth justice facility, which is the boot camp,

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Speaker 2: to the community phase was always seen as going to

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Speaker 2: be the most difficult part of the twelve month program.

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Speaker 2: Now the second young person who had scondered, as I said,

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Speaker 2: was living with fun Ow, so he wasn't being supervised

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Speaker 2: by a rung Atamamuriki but a rung A tam Iriki's

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Speaker 2: Youth Justice boss Tusha Penny, spoke to the media after

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Speaker 2: appearing before a Select committee at Parliament today and said

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Speaker 2: the death was always likely to be a trigger that

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Speaker 2: would lead to something like this.

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Speaker 3: These events may happen again. This is the transition phase.

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Speaker 3: We are dealing with complex, high risk youth offenders. We're

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Speaker 3: not going to give up. We've got to keep going.

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Speaker 3: There is no other option and we're dedicated to seeing

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Speaker 3: this through. We have already seen a degree of change

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Speaker 3: in some of these boys. That one is an employment.

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Speaker 3: We have one doing work experience, we have another who's

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Speaker 3: about to go employment, and we have several engage with education.

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Speaker 2: See, I think that's great.

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Speaker 1: Without the boot camps.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, and you know they're being given the opportunity and

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Speaker 2: clearly the majority of them are taking it. And that's

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Speaker 2: what this should be all about, rather than people on

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Speaker 2: the outside criticizing these kids are the dregs when it

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Speaker 2: comes to offending, you know, like you said, they've got

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Speaker 2: to commit very serious offenses our age between fourteen and seventeen.

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Speaker 2: The recidivism rate from Youth Justice residents is between sixty

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Speaker 2: and eighty percent. That's what it has been and hopefully

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Speaker 2: these boot camps will rectify that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Hey, what did we get out of that meeting

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Speaker 1: with Australia today?

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Speaker 2: Well not a lot really. It's a bit of a handshake,

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Speaker 2: way of the flag type meeting. But it's called ensman.

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Speaker 2: It's I don't know why, but it's a ministers. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So you had Judith Collins and Winston Peters and the

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Speaker 2: Australian counterparts at the meeting. Questions were raised and would

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Speaker 2: be rather embarrassing for New Zealand about the sinking of

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Speaker 2: the marh and Anui and it was embarrassing, but Judith

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Speaker 2: Collins put on a pretty pray face set that they

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Speaker 2: were very upfront about it. Of course, they had no

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Speaker 2: choice other than being upfront. New Zealand wants to be

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Speaker 2: more interoperable with the Australian Defense forces and an agreement

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Speaker 2: to that end was signed. The Aussies were polite when

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Speaker 2: it came to defense spending. They've been critical of New

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Speaker 2: Zealand in the past, but their minister said that it's

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Speaker 2: not the amount that's spent, but what it's spent on.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's spend is one point one eight percent of

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Speaker 2: GDP for defense, Australia's is just over two percent, so

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Speaker 2: it's not a hell of a lot. More on Orcas

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Speaker 2: Pillar two, they talked about the technology side. Again, New

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Speaker 2: Zealand was pretty silent on that, but look the two

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Speaker 2: ANZAC defense ministers, due to Collins and Richard Miles, they

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Speaker 2: were certainly on the same page when it came to

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Speaker 2: how they see the Pacific.

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Speaker 4: At the moment, the strategic landscape is as complex as

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Speaker 4: it has been since the end of the Secondmore War.

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Speaker 4: We are seeing the rules based order, which is very

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Speaker 4: much in the interests of Australia but also of New

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Speaker 4: Zealand being placed under significant pressure in places like Eastern Europe,

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Speaker 4: but throughout the end of Pacific, as well.

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Speaker 5: The world is not a happy place. Pacific is not

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Speaker 5: free of conflict, in tension and stress and strategic maneuvering,

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Speaker 5: and we have to play our part not only who

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Speaker 5: protect and look after ourselves, but also our Pacific neighbors

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Speaker 5: and the Southeast Asian area.

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Speaker 2: See and that's where August two comes into being really Heather,

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Speaker 2: when it's stalled at the moment talkers, but look, I

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Speaker 2: think the United States will pick this up and run

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Speaker 2: with it when Donald Trump comes to power because it

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Speaker 2: clearly is seen as being anti chart Barry, Thanks very much.

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Speaker 1: We'll wrap the political week that was with you after

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Speaker 1: six Again, that's very super senior political correspond For

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