1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Positive news from the Reserve Bank. Despite the OCR remaining 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: unchanged at five point five percent, it's hinted that interest 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: rate cuts could be closer than previously thought. The RB 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: and Z said they expect inflation to drop within the 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: target of one to three percent later this year. It 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: follows wide expectations that interest rates would remain unchanged until 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: next year. Sharon Zolmer is the A and Z Chief 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: economist and is with me now, Sharon, good morning. Has 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: this changed your view on when you think a rate 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: cut might happen? 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: Well, it was that bank was pretty careful to leave 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: all their options open. That comment about inflation falling back 13 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: in the band by the end of the year wasn't 14 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 2: actually you, but a couple of They did rehiterate they're 15 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: willing to change their mind, which of course they always 16 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: are and should be, but noted that rates will evolve 17 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: according to the conditions, and that they've noted that the 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: recent data has been weaker, so certainly that the market 19 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: jumped on it. We'd see it as tilting the risks 20 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: a little bit towards earlier cuts. But essentially it's going 21 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: to be the data that decides, and we've got the 22 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: inflation data next week. So with that and down the track, 23 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank was never going to come out with 24 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: a really really strong view because you know, why would 25 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: you when you could look a bit silly a week later. 26 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: So I think that's going to really be a very 27 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 2: very important piece of data. 28 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: And are you following the same strategy pretty much what 29 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: the data says? 30 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well it's really really important because in the 31 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: main monetary policy statements, the Reserve Bank decided that, gosh, 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: maybe this economy is just so unfit it can't run 33 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: very fast at all without overheating and generating inflation. So 34 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: they revised down their growth forecast. At the same time 35 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: they revised up their inflation forecast pushed out their estimate 36 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: of when they'll be cutting. So it was like a 37 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: triple header of bad news. So hopefully we'll get some 38 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: better news next week that will make the Reserve Bank 39 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: more confident than they are winning this. 40 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: To hold your tongue. Hey, a hypothetical one for you. 41 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: If if they were to drop this talk would be 42 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: twenty five basis points. What would be the real impact 43 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: on mortgage interest rates? What would the time lag be 44 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: for people? Just so that they can get an idea 45 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: in their head. 46 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: Well, actually it's the Reserve Bank only controls the overnight 47 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: interest rate, which feeds into the floating mortgage rates. But 48 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: the interest rates out one year, two year, even out 49 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: of forrest three years, that is actually determined mostly by 50 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 2: what the market expects the Reserve Bank to do, and 51 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: that actually changed yesterday quite a bit. The markets will 52 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: make it will come and go a little bit, and 53 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 2: the data next week will be important, as I said, 54 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 2: but certainly in the hour following what the Reserve Bank 55 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: said yesterday, rates dropped a lot, so you could potentially 56 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: see mortgage rates to fall well in advance of when 57 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank actually moves the official cash rates, just 58 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: as the symmetric situation to when the Reserve Bank was 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: hiking and you saw fex rates mortgages increase well before 60 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: the OCR went up. On the other side, the sex 61 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: mortgage rates to come down before they actually start cutting. 62 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: All right, Sharon, thank you very much for that update. 63 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: Great to have you on the show. Sharon Zolner, the 64 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: A and Z Chief Economist. For more from News Talk 65 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: sed B, listen live on air or online, and keep 66 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: our shows with you wherever you go. With our podcasts 67 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio,