1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: Okay. On the huddle with me, I've got Thomas Scringer 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: of Maximum Institution and Allie Jones of read PR. Hello 3 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: you two. Hi that Thomas, I'm so confused. Do the 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: police or do the police not investigate shoplifts under five 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: hundred dollars? 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: Well hither. I think one of the reasons people are 7 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: getting a bit upset about this is that they heard 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: about this leaked memo and it was believable. There's kind 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: of an ongoing problem of retail crime not being addressed, 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: and this news hasn't told us anything that a lot 11 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: of people didn't believe already. Yeah. The other question is like, 12 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: what is even meant by investigate? You know, there's a 13 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: lot of things that are investigated, and that they took 14 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: some notes and put it in a database for crime statistics, 15 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: but don't really have any ability to go further. The 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: risk is that over time this stuff erodes norms and trust. 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: Obviously police have limited resources, but if people know it's 18 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 2: open season on minor retail crime, then it's just going 19 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: to increase in number. 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he makes a really good point, doesn't 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: the ali, Because actually, even if it's even for all 22 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: of the explaining that they're doing. Now a lot of 23 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: people are just going to believe that it is the case. 24 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I think actually Stuart Nation made 25 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: some really good points. I don't think they've said that 26 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: every crime will be investigated. What I've heard is we 27 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 3: will continue to catch offenders wherever possible. I think they 28 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: said there will be a police response. That can mean anything. 29 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: That can be a phone call to the shop to say, 30 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: how are you going? Anyone hurt? Yeah, okay, we'll get 31 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: there if we can. I mean, I think I think 32 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 3: Thomas is right here. This has all come from this 33 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: ridiculous What the hell is the file management center anyway? 34 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: So Ali is the vile management center? Not where you 35 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: When the call comes in and it gets it becomes 36 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: it becomes a file, it becomes a case note, it 37 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: gets sent to them, doesn't it to file it somewhere? 38 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: They're like the librarians, aren't they? 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, well who would know? I mean I had a 40 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: visual straight away of this room full of files. I 41 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: mean that's just because you know, that's how I was 42 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: imagining it. But I mean they said that they were 43 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: applying nationally standardized value thresholds basically, and how the hell 44 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: you can be so prescriptive on something like that. I 45 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: do not know. I think what Stuart Nationally was correct. 46 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: It will depend on where the priorities are and who 47 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 3: they have available. But you cannot rule out not investigating 48 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: these crimes. I think as soon as you do, it's 49 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 3: open season. 50 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. But also at the same time, Thomas, we have 51 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: to be realistic, don't They're just simply are not enough 52 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: police officers to go around for all of the crimes 53 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: that are reported, and therefore we have to put more 54 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: power in the retailer's hands, don't we. 55 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, obviously retailers and certainly some advocates have 56 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: been calling for the citizens arrest things we've been hearing about, 57 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: which is fine so far as it goes. I'm open 58 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: to it. But we don't want retailers having to defend 59 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: themselves to be our policy prescription for crime. We need 60 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: the cops to be able to say we are able 61 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: to address this ourselves. Citizens arrests are a policy of 62 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: last resort, not a plan. 63 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 64 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: I agree, heither, I don't understand what the big issue 65 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 3: is here, though. I mean, if someone is going to 66 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: rip someone off in a shop, they are not going 67 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: to know what the priorities are for the police at 68 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 3: that time. So it's kind of a bit like Russian roulette. 69 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 3: So if you're going to steal something, you could be investigated, 70 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 3: you may not, but is it worth the risk? And 71 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: I think that's probably the way the police are applying it. 72 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 73 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: Maybe so, So what you're doing is if you're going 74 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: to go nick your four are you saying you're going 75 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: to go nick your four hundred and ninety nine dollar 76 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: thing to be under the five hundred dollars threshold, you're 77 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: taking a bit of a punt as to whether the 78 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: cops are available that day or not. 79 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 3: No, I think the dollar limit is just an absolute 80 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 3: redhead hearring. I really do. I think we have to 81 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: ignore the dollar the dollar value. I don't think if 82 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: someone is found stealing a bottle of nail polish, that's 83 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: probably a bit different. But I don't think that there's 84 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: a line there that says, you know, five hundred bucks. 85 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 3: I think it's dependent on whether police are available or not. Yes, 86 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: and that's what the shoplift has got to consider, regardless 87 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: of what they're stealing. 88 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: Actually, yes, okay, that's a fair point. All right, we'll 89 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: take a break, come back to you guys shortly write 90 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: you back with a huddle. Alie, what are we going 91 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: to do about this? Run it nonsense? 92 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: Oh Heather, isn't it just tragic? I mean, this young 93 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: man that's recently died watching it on the TV, watching 94 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: grown men run at each other, young men and women 95 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: and young women. They do stupid things, right, but it 96 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: shouldn't cost them their life. And this is just stupid, 97 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: absolutely stupid. We all know the dangers and I actually 98 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: think anyone who organizes this as a part of this, 99 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,679 Speaker 3: promotes this, shows it on social media, should be done 100 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: for attempted murder. I think this potentially is something that 101 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 3: is going to kill people as we are seeing, and 102 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: I think people should be held accountable for it. 103 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: I mean, Thomas, I think we all want to hold 104 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: somebody accountable, but realistically we can't. Really the only we 105 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: can't even ban it really because because we'll just do 106 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: it wherever. So what do you do? I mean, do 107 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 1: you just to just talk to kids and keep ramming 108 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: home the message you can't do this? 109 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I mean I think it's important to acknowledge 110 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: that though this was an incredibly tragic loss of life, 111 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: with this young man passing away, he was not participating 112 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 2: in any formal event as far as I understand it. 113 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: So there is this formal run it straight event that's 114 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: being organized, but he was just participating with some presumably friends, 115 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: doing something that wasn't wise. And I worry when our 116 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 2: first response to any tragedy is immediately okay, how do 117 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: we step it? And how can we immediately solve this problem? 118 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: What should the government have already done? I think the 119 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 2: run at straight events is a formal thing probably shouldn't happen, 120 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: Certainly I can't imagine that pass any work, safe assessment, 121 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: protection for the people who are participating. But in the 122 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: case of this young man passing away, I think it's 123 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: a tragedy and a lesson to be learned. But there's 124 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: not actually anything government could do. 125 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: Well, maybe they could run a public information campaign. Then 126 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 3: you know, we talk about the dangers with smoking, we 127 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 3: talk about the danger of cholesterol and diabetes. I mean, 128 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 3: your brain jiggling around inside your skull is quite clearly 129 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 3: quite dangerous and can kill you. So holling maybe the government. 130 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: I agree with you, but I mean, obviously that's a 131 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: message we want to ram home. But haven't we been 132 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: talking about this with regard to sport and contact sport 133 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: for like decades now? 134 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 3: And so have we have we though it's been on 135 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: the news, well, I think it's been on the news. 136 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: And you could say the same about five plus a day. 137 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: You could say that about a whole lot of stuff 138 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: that we try and put out there from a public information, 139 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: you know, perspective. But I think that this has become 140 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 3: such a fad if you like now, and the fact 141 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 3: that it's got grown ups doing it, and as Thomas mentioned, 142 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 3: you've got these almost sanctioned official events. I think it's 143 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 3: quite different. I think that something seriously has to be 144 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 3: done and be done soon, and I think some information 145 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: let's see those brains jiggling around inside those heads and 146 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: sea eyes rolling back and people dying, because that's what 147 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 3: it does too. 148 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you wouldn't You would think, though, Allie, 149 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: that that just what watching these videos, seeing somebody get 150 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: the head knock and convulse on the ground should be 151 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: enough to make the kids not want to do it. 152 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: And yet I do one of them want to watch that? 153 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: Though? 154 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: What was that thing Jackass or something on TV years ago? Right? 155 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: That's people like watching that stuff. I can't watch it. It 156 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 3: actually makes me feel sick. But people love that noise, 157 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: they love that crunch, they love people landing with a 158 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: bar between the leagues or whatever. So there's always going 159 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: to be a market for someone to see something like that, 160 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 3: and it's just gross. We have to stop it. 161 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Now, thoughts Thomas on mccron v. Macron on the plane. 162 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: Well, I mean here there as a general rule, I 163 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: try not to understand the French. It's a it's a 164 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: place I just I don't want to wrap my head around. 165 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: But what I want to say is Emmanuel Macron is 166 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: a pro. You know, the door is open here realizes 167 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: and immediately he switched on with a big grin. So 168 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: he's clearly clearly a pro when it comes to politicking. 169 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: And what about the guy who opened the door, I mean, 170 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: he's well, I wasn't going to call for it, but 171 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: he has one job and it's opened the door at 172 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: the right time and he picked the wrong time. 173 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: Man. I'll tell you what, though, Allie, have you ever 174 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: considered like you did you pause at any point during 175 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: the day and thinks if it was the other way around, 176 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: if it was a dude shoving his hands in a 177 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: woman's face, the difference that it would be. 178 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say, did you pause 179 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 3: the video so you could see? Really No, I didn't 180 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: think about the gender swap, to be honest, because I'm 181 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: so fascinated by my call us. 182 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: I want to call us out because we're all finding 183 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: this mildly amusing that it's a woman doing it to 184 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: a man. But it's still domestic violence, isn't it. 185 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember who was. It was a Nigella lawson 186 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: and her then husband a number of years ago, and 187 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: he put his hands up around her face or neck, 188 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: and that was all over the media. I think it 189 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 3: comes down to weather. People really genuinely believe this was 190 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: a physical altercation or a bit of you know, a 191 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: bit of fun. I think that she was seriously annoyed 192 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 3: and clearly is take. Yeah, I know, but. 193 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: He's saying it's a bit of a joke around last 194 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: time you were having a bit of fun with your 195 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: husband and shoved your hands in his mouth. 196 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: I ask that question. 197 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: No, that's yeah, No, I'm not that's too much information. 198 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: Thanks Heather. 199 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: Yes, really good place to leave it, guys. 200 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 201 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: Ellie Jones read per Thomas Scriminger, Maximum Institute. 202 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: Wow. 203 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: Wow, that's all I have to say. If you haven't 204 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: seen the video, go and watch it, because Wow, you 205 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,359 Speaker 1: just knew that those two had that kind of a relationship, 206 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: didn't there. 207 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 3: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 208 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 3: news Talks. 209 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 210 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.