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Speaker 2: Take another's it is out, The Test is over. Couldn't

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Speaker 4: Hello, welcome to on the Front Foot. And again there's

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Speaker 4: the heap of cricket, some of it not of the

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Speaker 4: greatest quality, but never to mind, that's still cricket. The

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Speaker 4: black Caps have settled the series of the Western He's

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Speaker 4: decided on an emotional day in Barbados, as that country,

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Speaker 4: in the Westernies in general, along with the rest of

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Speaker 4: the world, celebrated the life of one of their national treasures,

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Speaker 4: the great cigar Field Saber as he died eleven days

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Speaker 4: shorts of his ninetieth birthday. And with us Jeremy Coney

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Speaker 4: as ever, and Peter Holland has joined us. And interesting

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Speaker 4: news coming out of the ICC Sembalt. Nathan Smith was

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Speaker 4: on Monday name the ICC Player of the Month of June,

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Speaker 4: following superb performances in the Test series in England. He

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Speaker 4: played a key role in New Zealand's two to one

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Speaker 4: Indian captain submun Gill and the Bangladesh all round Masadeka Sain.

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Speaker 3: That's a pretty good personal achievement.

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Speaker 4: I suppose Jerry a number of New Zealanders could have

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Speaker 4: come under store for that, but Nathan Smith recognized for

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Speaker 5: He's improved a great deal wards over the last couple

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Speaker 5: first thing that caught myo was his fielding, actually catching.

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Speaker 5: He was so so athletic and so quick across the

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Speaker 5: little bit. From that perspective, he's added to that. Now

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Speaker 5: then we started to see I've always had a hope

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Speaker 5: he thoroughly deserved it. You know, he uses the crease well,

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Speaker 5: nips it back and then can run it away so

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Speaker 5: Pretty good effort.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed, and mostly he's a worthy winner. But you know,

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Speaker 4: a great recognition for a young guy who's not had

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Speaker 6: Extent, thrilled for him. He's now, you know, one of

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Speaker 6: But I just think it's wonderful that a player like

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Speaker 6: you're right about him, Jerry. He's sneaky quick and yet

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll come with confidence, won't it. The confidence he's

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Speaker 4: I think I can bowl quicker, but it's the ability

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Speaker 4: He uses the crease world, doesn't he.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he runs certainly. In that third test Wadds. I

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Speaker 4: And he was, Yeah, and he's done his research, Moose,

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Speaker 4: The Black Cats squeezed out a one wicket went over

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Speaker 4: I'm going to say Jerry that the West Indies are

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Speaker 5: No, it's not, it's it's not Your game doesn't improve.

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Speaker 4: And he's a front line spinner too, not just a

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Speaker 6: But but what I'm seeing though is that we well,

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Speaker 7: This makes him sixty four four sixes underwear. Nash is

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Speaker 5: And my goodness, it's.

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Speaker 7: Gone way down to Sunday.

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Speaker 5: Six on the truck.

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Speaker 7: Up just six on one other good nurstraces.

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Speaker 5: I think that was his first hundred, wasn't it was?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Look he's one of sports towering icons, isn't he

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Speaker 5: Just a truly great And I don't use those words

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Speaker 4: Interesting you should say that, Jerry, because that was one

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Speaker 5: That's correct, and one that New Zealand won actually, But

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Speaker 4: The other thing going on in the world of cricket

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Speaker 5: will be very different for the players. But players have

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Speaker 5: just got to get on with with coaches. They're always

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Speaker 5: subject to other people's opinions as as they as they play,

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Speaker 5: and you've just got to keep going and make sure

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Speaker 5: that you find a method to get on with them,

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Speaker 5: make it work for both of you and hopefully, you know,

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Speaker 5: you become you know, indispensable to them.

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Speaker 4: So well, they've talked about Mike Hessen, but that's like

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Speaker 4: having McCullum back again, doesn't it be put?

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was.

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Speaker 4: Propped up by McCallum when he was coach of the

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Speaker 4: New Zealand side.

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Speaker 6: The one I think that he's my tip someone who's

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Speaker 6: played for ENGLM was a good player. Hastudson coaching seems

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Speaker 6: to be somewhat uncontroversial Jonathan Trott.

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Speaker 5: He's one of the names. Jonathan Trotter's around. Yes, they're

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Speaker 5: interested in Sanga Kara. They're still looking there. What about

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Speaker 5: measures as well? He's got iv L measures as well,

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Speaker 5: hasn't he.

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Speaker 3: Who's Richard Dawson, He's another name mentioned.

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Speaker 5: Richard Dawson is a guy who was an off spinner

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Speaker 5: where when Brace's was playing at Gloucester, you know, sorry,

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Speaker 5: when Brace's was coach at Gloucester. He naturally gravitated into

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Speaker 5: coaching when he wasn't going to be selected as he

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Speaker 5: got a little bit older than he went to uh

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Speaker 5: he went up to Yorkshire and was the coach up

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Speaker 5: there for the second side and then got pulled back

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Speaker 5: into Gloucester as the main coach as well. He then

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Speaker 5: joined the white ball team for England as a coach,

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Speaker 5: and so he's he's been round. And the interesting thing

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Speaker 5: is that he was the coach that were one of

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Speaker 5: the coaches that McCullum got rid of at the start

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Speaker 5: of his tenure to make the rumor but less tenanted

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Speaker 5: by all the coaches. So that would be interesting if

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Speaker 5: that happened. I'm not sure whether he would make it once.

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Speaker 5: I mean, people even they're talking about Fleming as well,

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Speaker 5: aren't they.

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Speaker 3: So there are.

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Speaker 5: What we're saying is that there's a load number of names.

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Speaker 5: I think if you if you're going to be the coach,

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Speaker 5: surely you've got to be in in position a couple

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Speaker 5: of weeks before now. August the eighteenth is the next

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Speaker 5: Test match against Pakistan.

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Speaker 3: So I haven't got a captain.

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Speaker 5: It's got to be pretty soon, doesn't it. It's got

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Speaker 5: to be within a week or so. They're obviously talking

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Speaker 5: to certain people, but as I say, at the moment,

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Speaker 5: the inside running, whether that means anything at all, is langer.

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Speaker 5: But that to me is not necessarily one that would work.

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Speaker 1: Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot.

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Speaker 4: An issue that's creating some consternation in the cricket world

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Speaker 4: is a proposal to change the structure of the men's

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Speaker 4: World Cups in both formats. A proposal on the table

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Speaker 4: to reduce the fifty over World Cup from fourteen teams

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Speaker 4: to twelve, along with the addition of a Super seven stage.

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Speaker 4: This could even be in place by the twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: seven event being hosted in Africa. To achieve it, the

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Speaker 4: ICC is likely to only allow two teams to progress

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Speaker 4: from a global qualifying tournament rather than four as originally planned.

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Speaker 4: A tweak to the T twenty World Cup is also

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Speaker 4: said to be under review, with a Super eight stage

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Speaker 4: increasing to a Super ten phase. The World Cricketers Association

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Speaker 4: says it's concerned by how the twenty twenty seven men's

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Speaker 4: event will be structured. It is worn that the format,

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Speaker 4: which eliminates two of the three lowest ranked teams early

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Speaker 4: raises questions about transparency, consultation and the game's long.

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Speaker 3: Term commitment to global growth.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be interesting when we see the final

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Speaker 4: results from the ICC, but it's going to create some

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Speaker 4: comment and could be far reaching changes to the white

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Speaker 4: ball World Cups. Most I'm looking forward to dinner with

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Speaker 4: you on the weekend.

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Speaker 6: Well's the same here once the eightieth anniversary of the

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Speaker 6: Wellington Wanderers Cricket Club. Wonderful things that they're doing for

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Speaker 6: community cricket and Wellington and for cricket in general. So

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Speaker 6: it's a worthy, worthy occasion and I shall be festooned

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Speaker 6: in colorful stripy blazers and ties. I cannot wait.

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Speaker 4: So Jerry, you'll have your feed up on the sand

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Speaker 4: and sitting in a deck chair on the beach somewhere.

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Speaker 5: I will, mate, Yes, I will. I've invested in a

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Speaker 5: new pair of time. That's a bit frightening for the

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Speaker 5: people nearby. And oh yeah, well I've got to I've

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Speaker 5: got to get the pins out and show them the

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Speaker 5: sun occasionally. So that's all good. So you guys are

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Speaker 5: going to enjoy a bit of a on the on

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Speaker 5: the LAWA pare you?

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, this is a this is a mature at.

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Speaker 5: Obstinate right with those blazers. It's impossible to be mature

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Speaker 5: and a blazer like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we will meet the curfew.

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Speaker 5: Well yeah, well that's another thing, isn't it? How long

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Speaker 5: is key there? They are saying that they want him

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Speaker 5: to stay. But you know he didn't write the Kurchy

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Speaker 5: curfew down on the contracts the players contracts, did he?

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Speaker 5: And he's made lots of it right throughout. So keep

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Speaker 5: watching this space. It's a bit to go over here.

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Speaker 4: Well we'll we'll have a look at that and we'll

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Speaker 4: we'll just continue this discussion.

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Speaker 3: Moose over a nice little.

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Speaker 4: Red or we'll have a we'll have a shardi for

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Speaker 4: for JC.

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Speaker 6: We will, indeed, we will indeed, and there was that

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Speaker 6: question that you were going to posit about the Mets

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Speaker 6: as regards to email from Phil.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, unfortunately, we've run out of time, so we're going

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Speaker 4: to have to push that off till next week.

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Speaker 6: That's because that was that was to be somewhat great

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Speaker 6: interest from someone who really was good at dropping catches

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Speaker 6: and someone who was really good at catching them.

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Speaker 5: That was Jarry.

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Speaker 6: We can provide both sides of the spectrum there.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a little tea.

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Speaker 4: There's a little teaser for the next on the Front Foot,

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Speaker 4: and we'll be talking about the method of catching, which

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Speaker 4: is what Phil wanted to know. Why are they using

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Speaker 4: the reverse cup and other such ways of going about

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Speaker 4: catching in the outfield. So just hold that in your

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Speaker 4: mind and we'll talk about that next time we meet

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Speaker 4: on the Front Foot.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy the beach, Jerry.

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Speaker 4: I could love to see those talks they round you

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Speaker 4: or round your ankles.

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Speaker 5: Thanks once, Thank you very much. I'll clear I stink.

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Speaker 5: I'll probably clear a few beaches.

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Speaker 4: I can imagine. Never mind, we shouldn't be negative about

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Speaker 4: these sorts of things. I'm sure you look pretty good

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Speaker 4: in a pair of.

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Speaker 5: We don't need to go into this any longer. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Get dressed up for the weekend mate.

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Speaker 5: Looking forward to it.

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Speaker 6: Take the jury alivery to.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Thank you. Thanks Jeers.

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