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Speaker 1: So despite the doctors being on strike yesterday, problems not

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Speaker 1: gone away. So it's back to the negotiating table. The

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Speaker 1: employment relations authorities now getting involved. The Health Minister Sume

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Speaker 1: and Brown with us this Friday morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't we have a simple rule in this country around

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Speaker 1: negotiations of larby unionized workforces have a couple of cracks

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Speaker 1: and once we do that, let's go to compulsory arbitration.

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Speaker 2: I've been very clear that what the union should be

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Speaker 2: doing here is negotiating, and there's a range of different

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Speaker 2: ways that that can be done, such as what you're

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Speaker 2: suggesting here. But striking is not the answer. Striking does

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Speaker 2: not help patients. And as I've been saying, four three

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Speaker 2: hundred patients had their either surgeries canceled or their specialist

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Speaker 2: appointments canceled yesterday, which or delayed, sorry, which means they're

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Speaker 2: going to have to wait even longer now for the

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Speaker 2: treatment they've been waiting too long for already.

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Speaker 1: I get that your line yesterday was the union should

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Speaker 1: have put the offer to the doctors. Do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: If they had put the officers to the doctors, the

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Speaker 1: doctors would have come even within a million miles of

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Speaker 1: accepting it.

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Speaker 2: Well, the key point here is that the majority of

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Speaker 2: doctors either did not vote or voted no to striking,

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Speaker 2: only a minority of doctors actually voted or the Wildy

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Speaker 2: members actually voted to go on strike yesterday. So yes,

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Speaker 2: I do think they should have put the offer to

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Speaker 2: the table. It was a credible offer dealt with a

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Speaker 2: number of the key issues, such as bonding payments for

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Speaker 2: doctors who go to hard to staff regions like Gisbon

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Speaker 2: and Nelson had included removing the bottom three runs of

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Speaker 2: the bands so that junior doctors become senior doctors don't

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Speaker 2: get the effective pay cut that's critical to attracting new

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Speaker 2: doctors in and also provided increases to the bands over

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Speaker 2: a two year period. So it was a credible offer

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Speaker 2: should have been put to the members. I know how

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Speaker 2: important these doctors care for their patients, and the right

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Speaker 2: thing would have been to have had that discussion rather

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Speaker 2: than cancel care for the patients they care for.

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Speaker 1: Is the offer of the offer or if you had

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Speaker 1: more money, you'd give them the money.

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Speaker 2: Well, ultimately, Health New Zealand is negotiating the union. They're

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Speaker 2: going through a process.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they've got no more money and we all

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Speaker 1: know we don't have any money. We're a broke country.

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Speaker 2: But if we were round here, well did. Health new

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Speaker 2: Zealand has to deliver with its budget. This government has

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Speaker 2: put a record increase in funding into Health New Zealand

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Speaker 2: sixteen six billion dollars over three budgets. But that funding

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Speaker 2: has to cover a range of things. That has to

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Speaker 2: cover our hospital services, it has to also cover our GPS,

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Speaker 2: has to fund a huge age here, whole range of

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Speaker 2: different things and there's pressures across the board. So Health

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Speaker 2: New Zealand has to balance up all of the different

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Speaker 2: things that have to fund. And I've been very clear

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Speaker 2: you know we need to be actually investing more into

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Speaker 2: primary care so we actually keep you them with the

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Speaker 2: hospitals in the first place. And so there's a range

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Speaker 2: of balancing balances they need to make. They've put a

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Speaker 2: credible offer forward and they have to deliver within the

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Speaker 2: budget that they've been provided. It's a credible offer and

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Speaker 2: it should have been put to them.

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Speaker 1: Members, good stuff, appreciate it, have a good weekend. Summing

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Speaker 1: in Brown health ministry is hard. Being the Health Minister

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Speaker 1: is in it today.

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