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Speaker 1: Very sober senior political correspondent high Berry.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 1: Are those victims of crime numbers are pretty good?

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Speaker 2: Aim, Well, they're incredible really when you think, you know,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't too long ago that every day we were

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Speaker 2: talking about ram raids and jewelry stores being busted open,

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Speaker 2: and you know, the gang patches taking over country little

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Speaker 2: country areas for funerals and what have you. But now

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Speaker 2: they're a thing of the past. And I find found

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Speaker 2: the statistics incredible. This is the latest crime and Victim

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Speaker 2: survey forty nine fewer victims of violent crime than there

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Speaker 2: were in twenty five than there were two years before.

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Speaker 2: So but then when you look at the reforms that

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Speaker 2: have happened, and people tend I think to forget, although

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Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell's out there reminding us a lot. You know,

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Speaker 2: you've got police dealing now with the gangs, no patches,

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Speaker 2: You've got that taxpayer funded proliferation of cultural reports for

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Speaker 2: the courts. They've gone Stalking is illegal now, and victims

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Speaker 2: of sexual assault have the power to determine if offenders

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Speaker 2: are granted name suppression.

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Speaker 1: But don't you think the more significant stuff here actually

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Speaker 1: are things like cops on the beat.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to come to the end.

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Speaker 1: And also longer sentences, so if you're a bad guy

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Speaker 1: and you do something bad, you're in jail where you

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Speaker 1: can't do more bad exactly.

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Speaker 2: I was going to talk about that, but that is true.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's now double the number of cops on

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Speaker 2: the beat and they are visible. You only have to

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Speaker 2: walk down the street and you'll see a cop somewhere.

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Speaker 2: So it's great. And that's one thing I think you

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Speaker 2: can take your head off to this government for it

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Speaker 2: was pretty lawless the time dare I say it, that

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Speaker 2: label was in power. It was everybody was talking about crime.

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Speaker 2: But now I think generally people feel a bit safer,

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Speaker 2: do you know what? Though?

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Speaker 1: It is it's something of a double edged sword for

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Speaker 1: the government though, because this is probably one of the

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Speaker 1: bigger success stories, this plus education. But the problem is

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Speaker 1: we don't vote for law and order in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six when law and order has been fixed for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six, do you know what I mean? So I

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Speaker 1: do something that they.

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Speaker 2: Can can because it's been gradually getting fixed over so

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Speaker 2: they can. At the time you arrived at the election,

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Speaker 2: we've forgotten about the order.

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Speaker 1: Problems and it's one of their biggest planks to go

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Speaker 1: to an election. Okay, now you're quite into the story

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Speaker 1: about Ohaky becoming the backup airport.

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Speaker 2: Well, when I looked at the cost, initially, I thought, well, look,

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Speaker 2: it's four and a half million dollars to have air

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Speaker 2: controllers twenty four to seven around the clock and they're

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Speaker 2: only used maybe a few times a year. I heard

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Speaker 2: on air this morning somebody saying though that imagine going

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Speaker 2: out to Akia to fly to New York. Well, that's

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Speaker 2: not what it's for. It's basically for airlines coming into

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Speaker 2: the country. If they come and now they've got to

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Speaker 2: carry so much more additional fuel just in case Auckland closers,

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Speaker 2: and then they've got to fly to christ Church to

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Speaker 2: get a run way long enough. So it's not the

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Speaker 2: outward flights. It's giving airlines assurances that if they come

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Speaker 2: to New Zealand they can lower their fuel stock because

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Speaker 2: they've got another airport nearby, and that should open the

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Speaker 2: gates for many more people I would imagine flying to

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Speaker 2: this country, or airlines flying.

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Speaker 1: It occurred to me as one of those things that

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Speaker 1: is such a simple fix, yep, that will create so much.

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Speaker 1: It will just will free things up, and it's remarkable

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Speaker 1: it hasn't happened. Also, by the way, though, imagine what

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Speaker 1: a sweet job that is. You're going to be paid

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Speaker 1: to basically do nothing.

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Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, exactly. I wonder if they have to

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Speaker 2: then go though Mondet's Palmerston North as the the Ohakas.

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Speaker 1: Now you are sitting there, wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Go down to Wellington and maybe fill in from you're.

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Speaker 1: Watching Netflix and you're getting paid for.

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Speaker 2: It and you've got to be there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to be there. You could probably put

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Speaker 1: in a treadmill. Do you exercise in the control tower?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: You could, you could get buff you could watch on Netflix,

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Speaker 1: you could, you'd probably do some study.

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Speaker 2: You're applying for a job.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like it is. It's basically a benefit.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a live and lovely parmy though, but that's

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Speaker 2: all okay.

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Speaker 1: So just Cinda. It's now being confirmed. And we had

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Speaker 1: heard this room at a while back that you Cinda

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Speaker 1: was moving to Sydney, and so it turns out she is.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she is, and she was spotted there just a

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Speaker 2: couple of weekends ago. And basically it was a mair

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Speaker 2: that was blown away to see her at a community

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Speaker 2: expo in a place called Jerringong south of Sydney, now

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Speaker 2: the Kima Maya. That Kima has a population of about

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Speaker 2: twenty four thousand, so he's not a big deal mayor

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Speaker 2: here in Australia. But nevertheless, Cameron McDonald he said he

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Speaker 2: was taken by surprise when he saw Jasinddrn there And

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Speaker 2: of course she was with her old buddy Yannick King,

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Speaker 2: who now lives in Australia herself, so it's no surprise

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Speaker 2: that really Justin has gone to live there because they're

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Speaker 2: both great mates. But McDonald he approached her Duran told

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Speaker 2: her how much she admired her leadership and through COVID

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Speaker 2: and the mosque attacks, he said he thought she's a

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Speaker 2: role model for all women everywhere, and he said that

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Speaker 2: there weren't many world leaders who can keep their compassion,

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Speaker 2: humility and good grace and live by the values that

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Speaker 2: she lives by. And he said if he was asked

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Speaker 2: as the five people you'd want to meet in your lifetime,

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Speaker 2: she would be one of them. Wow, isn't that lovely?

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what, when you see that, you

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Speaker 2: go this is where Durn's power is it's not in

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Speaker 2: this country, and it was at one stage the power

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Speaker 2: was there and it was to me misused. But now

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Speaker 2: she's overseas, she's deified wherever she goes, and you know

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Speaker 2: it's not New Zealand's expense. I wish her well in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Would you class her as part of the brain drain?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think we'll finished for today when we hear that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, very appreciate your time, very sober, Senior

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Speaker 1: political correspondent.

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