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Speaker 1: We're just hours away from the first vice presidential debate

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Speaker 1: in the US two o'clock this afternoon our time. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty clear who this guy thinks is going to win.

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Speaker 2: Going up against a moron, a total moron. How she

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Speaker 2: picked him is unbelievable, and I think it's a big factor.

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Speaker 2: There's something wrong with it. Gay, he's sick. He went

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Speaker 2: into the Michigan game the other day, he got booed out.

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Speaker 2: I went into the Alabama game. The one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty thousand people went crazy.

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Speaker 1: Look, these things normally don't matter, but this time around,

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Speaker 1: because the race is so tight and because there are

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Speaker 1: no further presidential debates planned, it actually does. Managing partner

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Speaker 1: of Firehouse Strategies and Marco Rubio's former chief of staff,

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Speaker 1: Matt Terrell's here to share the debate.

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Speaker 3: Matt, Hello, Hey, great to be with you.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Tim Waltz has got the edge because

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Speaker 1: he is so much more likable than JD. Vance. Am

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Speaker 1: I being unfair?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's up to the voters at that side. But

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Speaker 3: what I can tell you is that I think voters

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Speaker 3: are less concerned right now about personalities and are much

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Speaker 3: more focused on candidate's records. Yeah, particular what these candidates

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Speaker 3: will do when it comes so far moordability, the economy,

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Speaker 3: and border security. That's going to be the issues that

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Speaker 3: decide this race. And those independent undecided voters who will

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Speaker 3: be really deciding this election among other voters, but comes

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Speaker 3: out of those swing voters, if you will, in those

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Speaker 3: handful of background states. Those are the issues they care

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Speaker 3: about when the watching is debate tonight, and that's what

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Speaker 3: they'll be focused on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, this is what according to that CBS poll,

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Speaker 1: this is what the people want to hear about. They

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Speaker 1: want to hear about about immigration, they want to hear

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Speaker 1: about the economy. If if J Devons can keep it to that,

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Speaker 1: does he win, I think.

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Speaker 3: It's gould be a better night tonight for Center jd Vance.

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Speaker 3: He focuses on those issues and not just talking about

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Speaker 3: the future that a Trump Van's ticket would look like

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Speaker 3: if they were elected, but also drawing contrast, you know,

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Speaker 3: for example, a drawing contrast between foreign President Trump's record

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Speaker 3: on the economy and inflation and border security and comparing

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Speaker 3: that with the Biden Harris administrations of record on those issues.

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Speaker 3: Tonight's just not just about the future, but for many voters,

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Speaker 3: the clear question will be my better off today than

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Speaker 3: I was four years ago. And I think it's a

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Speaker 3: real challenge for the Harror's ticket right now with respect

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Speaker 3: to this debate and this election. I think at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, what voters are looking for those

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Speaker 3: who which canaidate, can really demonstrate the votes that they

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Speaker 3: can lead on those issues over the next four years.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there are people out there who,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously a very small number lift now, but

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Speaker 1: people out there who haven't made up their minds about

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris or Donald Trump, who will actually make the

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Speaker 1: minds based on the performance of one of these two guys.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a handful of voters out there

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Speaker 3: right now who are on decide in this race. I

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Speaker 3: think what you're looking at right now, though, is another

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Speaker 3: section of voters to really be focused on her the

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Speaker 3: Trump vance ticket. In particular, are those voters who traditionally

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Speaker 3: vote Democratic but right now may be given the Trump

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Speaker 3: dvance ticket. To look here, I mean, for example, you

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Speaker 3: look at Union voters right now, Vice President Harris is

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Speaker 3: underperforming among Union voters. They tended to vote and pass

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Speaker 3: elections for the Democrat nominee for president. That may not

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Speaker 3: be the case is time, with many Union voters out

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Speaker 3: there who are really being impacted by the economy, inflation

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Speaker 3: in particular. Take Hispanic voters, you know, look for a person,

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Speaker 3: Trump or now is around forty one percent with Hispanic voters.

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Speaker 3: That's an astonishing number for Republican nominee for president. Take

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Speaker 3: young voters, you know, forg President Trump right now is

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Speaker 3: point around fifty percent with young male voters under the

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Speaker 3: age of thirty. So look, the bottom line here is

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Speaker 3: not just those independent undecided voters a look at. It's

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Speaker 3: those traditional Democratic voters. And if you're the Trump Vance ticket,

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Speaker 3: can you flip them into your column going into election day?

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Speaker 3: That don't really matter in places like Pennsylvania, Georgia, and

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Speaker 3: North Carolina, those battleground states that could just be on

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Speaker 3: the margins at the end of the day, getting every

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Speaker 3: vote you can obviously a matter.

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Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 1: While we're talking about these two, I'm fascinated by the

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Speaker 1: relationship between Donald Trump and Jdvance. Regardless of how this

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Speaker 1: I mean, regardless of how this election turns out, does

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Speaker 1: that relationship last? Do you think?

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Speaker 3: Well? I think you know, look, I think there's a

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Speaker 3: reason why form President Trump selected Jade Vans, And the

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Speaker 3: reality is this ticket, I think at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, it's going to be focused in on win

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Speaker 3: this election and then on the heels of that governing.

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Speaker 3: And I think for Foreign President Trump, you know, if

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Speaker 3: he is elected on day one, they're going to have

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Speaker 3: many challenges, particularly relates to the economy and inflation, for

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Speaker 3: order security, and I think the expectation will be that

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Speaker 3: he's got an administration's working together to really get this

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Speaker 3: country moving forward on those issues. So look, I think

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it's not just about

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Speaker 3: winning this elections about governing all others to dissect, if

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Speaker 3: you will, the relationships of these individuals, but the reality is,

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Speaker 3: I think that like any ticket, it's not just about

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Speaker 3: winning the election, but if you are elected governing in

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Speaker 3: effective fashion. It's not just the ticket and the administration,

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Speaker 3: but whether or not Foreign President Trump or whoever wins

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Speaker 3: this election, whether it's Vice Person Hairs or Foreign Persident Trump,

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Speaker 3: what kind of a Congress will they have. That's why

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Speaker 3: there's a big focus in this race, not just on

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Speaker 3: the posential election, but on the Senate and the House

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Speaker 3: that's going to matter as well, either for Vice Persident

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Speaker 3: Harris or former Persident Trump if they're elected.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Matt, really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 1: That's Matt Terrell, who's a managing pattern of fire house strategies,

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