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Speaker 1: Let's talk about one of the great scourges of everyday

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Speaker 1: life in modern New Zealand chip seal roads. Now, there

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Speaker 1: is a community in Papamore who are understandably outraged that

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Speaker 1: the news that their asphalt roads are going to be

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Speaker 1: replaced with chipseal. Mike Seaborne is the totaling a city

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Speaker 1: council head of Transport high Mic Hello. Now, these guys

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Speaker 1: say that the road is fine and it doesn't need work.

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Speaker 1: Do you disagree? Yeah, we do.

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Speaker 2: Actually, the road, whilst it may look fine, is up

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Speaker 2: for renewal, so after a certain amount of time that

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Speaker 2: we go out and check it and make sure that

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Speaker 2: the surface is working. But like paint on our house,

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Speaker 2: we're going to make sure that when you see cracks

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Speaker 2: and other things like that, you go along and repaint it.

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Speaker 2: So that's what we're doing it and pub.

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Speaker 1: Themore Okay, now, how much more expensive as asphalt? Like,

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Speaker 1: you guys can't afford it, can you?

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Speaker 2: No, we can't. And I think that's one of the

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Speaker 2: things why we do love Ashvelt sorry by chip seal,

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Speaker 2: is because it's Ashveld is five times more expensive over

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Speaker 2: the whole of the life. One of the elements for

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Speaker 2: us is that Ashvelt is used in certain circumstances like

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Speaker 2: on intersections or with heavy vehicles. It's really good for that.

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Speaker 2: But for residential roads, we can use chip seal in

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Speaker 2: a much more cost effective way, which means we can

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Speaker 2: do more.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how much does it cost.

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Speaker 2: The sites that we're talking about. It depends on the

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Speaker 2: length of the site, but we are talking sort of

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Speaker 2: five five times more, and a specific example that the

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Speaker 2: recent residents came and talk to us about, it's at

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Speaker 2: least another four hundred thousand dollars more than the chip seal,

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Speaker 2: which is quite a lot for a very short length.

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Speaker 1: Now does it not last longer thereby kind of paying

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Speaker 1: becoming equivalent at some point?

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't, and I think that's why we like

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Speaker 2: to talk about it from a whole of life's perspective.

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Speaker 2: If it did, it would be the natural and logical choice.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't. It's because when we go along to

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Speaker 2: reseal it, it only lasts about sort of one and

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Speaker 2: a half times as long compared to the price. So

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Speaker 2: for us, chip seals than the actual absolute natural choice.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, the problem with chip seal is obviously, and

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Speaker 1: this is the point that these guys are made is

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Speaker 1: that the kids can't ride their skateboards on it, and

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Speaker 1: it just becomes difficult to kind of you know, for

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Speaker 1: those kinds of activities. Do you need to consider that though?

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Speaker 1: When you're doing this with residential roads.

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Speaker 2: With roads, we're pretty clear on the purpose of those

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Speaker 2: roads and unfortunately they're not really designed for skateboards in

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Speaker 2: the small wheels. Yeah, Normally in these environments we build

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Speaker 2: the foot paths and we have cycle ways and indeed

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Speaker 2: we've got skate parks being built out in Papamor and

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Speaker 2: around in Tarung, So that's how we cater for those customers.

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Speaker 2: These the jobs of these things is to provide low volume,

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Speaker 2: so not much traffic, not much heavy traffic, access to

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Speaker 2: communities and residents. And again just that that cost effectiveness

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Speaker 2: of it makes it the natural choice.

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Speaker 1: Now, why, if I mean, why have we ended up

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Speaker 1: with a situation where we had as felt and now

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Speaker 1: we're replacing it with the cheaper, crappier product. Is it

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Speaker 1: because the developers later in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question, and I don't think it's crappy,

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I am a routing question. It's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: It's noisier though, Mike, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It is noisier, absolutely, it's one of the downsides. It's noisier,

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Speaker 2: and you will cast.

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Speaker 1: And you get these stinct little stones kicked up at you.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes at the beginning it does sort of do that,

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Speaker 2: and we try and sweep them off as much as

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Speaker 2: we can. But over time that settles down. It just

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Speaker 2: sort of compresses itself into the bitumen, so that kind

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Speaker 2: of goes away. But from that perspective, it is still

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Speaker 2: a sort of natural choice in that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but is it because the developers went all out

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Speaker 1: spent the big dollars and then when you go to

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Speaker 1: redo it, you don't have as much money for the

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Speaker 1: entire place, so you're doing the chip seal. Is that

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Speaker 1: what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Yep? Pretty much, Particularly in a growth council like ours,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of new subdivisions and Ashbolt is a

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Speaker 2: natural choice for them.

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Speaker 1: And so the next question, of course, is this the future.

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Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of money in the country,

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Speaker 1: should we get used to the chip seal?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm a roading person, so I'm going to say yes,

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Speaker 2: and mostly because that means like and do more roads

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Speaker 2: and I can maintain things and renew them really cost effectively.

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Speaker 2: So it is the future unless we come up with

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Speaker 2: new ways, which we are trialing. So we want a

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Speaker 2: smoother surface, less noisy. So we've got options and trials

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Speaker 2: on right now to use other products to make to

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Speaker 2: reduce those disbnefits.

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Speaker 1: Mike, it has been lovely. Just benefits, Mike, Mike, it's

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Speaker 1: been lovely to talk to you. Mike Seaborne Totaling, a

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Speaker 1: city council head of transport.

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