1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: It is Prime minter is to Tuesday. Crystal Lection's with 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: us in the studio. Good morning. Not that it's nice 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: to not see you, but the reason you are here 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: is there is no parliament, yes, and you've got business 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: to do. You've got business to do. When you've got 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: legislation to pass and you announced yesterday a congestion charge 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: which requires legislation. You can't pass the legislation because the 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: parliament's not open. Why are we doing more work? 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 2: You're on one of my things, which is coming new 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: to politics. You sort of look at it and go, man, 11 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: the parliament stops December fifth, used to stop December ten, 12 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: and then by the time you get through sort of 13 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: anniversary weekend and then waitangi it's sort of mid February 14 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 2: by the time it starts up again, and then you 15 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 2: go for a bit. There's some we've done a lot 16 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: of things under urgency, so we've had some quite long sessions. 17 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's one of the things I talked to 18 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 2: Chris Bishop, who's Leader of the House, about how do we. 19 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: Are you going to change it? So you had three 20 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: weeks correct me up and wrong, three weeks off for 21 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: the school holidays. You came back for the last two weeks. 22 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: And are off again as I am, just for a week. 23 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: I mean, as I understand it, it's because of the 24 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: way it was face in the first half. There's a 25 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: whole bunch of ten reasons for it. But look, the 26 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: bottom line is we're working pretty hard and I think 27 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: you know, we've got a big legislative Forginia to get 28 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: done before Christmas, and frankly we'll just be running into urgency, 29 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: which means that we go from nine to midnight until 30 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: we get it done, all right, so we go into 31 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: weekends if we have to. 32 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: The congestion. Not that I'm against it, but to suggest, 33 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: assuming and did yesterday, it's not about raising revenue was 34 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: simply not true, because it raised well revenue. 35 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it raises revenue and that will be used 36 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: on transport infrastructure and it can't be used on pet 37 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: projects and silly stuff. But the real reason for it, 38 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: and there's actually been all political parties over the last 39 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: two or three years have been very supportive of this 40 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 2: in Parliament, is that when you look around the world, 41 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: if you do it right, you can get an eight 42 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 2: to twelve percent reduction and congestion. So if you think 43 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: about school holidays in Auckland, that's about sort of what 44 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: that would look like. And then when you look at 45 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 2: the actual time it takes per kilometer in Auckland versus say, 46 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: similar cities in Australia, we've got a congestion problem. And 47 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: congestion the problem with that is the trade. You can't 48 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: go do another job. You know, you've got slow deliveries. 49 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: You've got a whole bunch of economic and productivity roads. 50 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we do poor roads. 51 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: That's why we're trying to spend a lot of money 52 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: investing and upgrading those roads. But congestion charging is something 53 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: that will you know, something will open it up and 54 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: we'll get some submissions on it will work with the 55 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: council line. 56 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: The Wayne Brown dream of taking some power off at 57 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: this is sum and Brown as well. When is this 58 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: actually going to happen. 59 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 2: It's not going to happen. We're not going to merge 60 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: at and n z t A. But I think the 61 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: mayor and ourselves are pretty unhappy with auckland transports performance 62 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: and the Meal will continue to talk about what they 63 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: can do to do. 64 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: So that's what they're doing. They're just going to talk 65 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: some more well, I'll. 66 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: Let them sort that out. But the bottom line is 67 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone a one hundred percent happy with 68 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: Auckland transports. No. 69 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: But in not being happy, don't you want to do 70 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: something about it? 71 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: Well, we may well do something about it, but that'll 72 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: be something that will work with the mirror. Yeah, but 73 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: he would tell you to take some power off them. 74 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: He might have a whole bunch of different ideas and 75 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: we might have. 76 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: So my understanding was you were looking at doing something tangible. 77 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: You're not, as I said, I think what I heard 78 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: yesterday was people were saying, oh, we're going to merge 79 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: at with n z TA and that's not going to happen. 80 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: Okay, As regards the power crisis, has anything happened since 81 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: I talked to you about this last week apart from 82 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: we're not happy? Yep. 83 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: There's been rationing of gas so that actually we're getting 84 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: it from places where it needs to get out of 85 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 2: to actually into the energy system. What's happening is I mean, look, 86 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: if you back up the truck of it, this is 87 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: a function of actually the any of that aill and 88 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: gas band and as a result, there's been no local 89 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: exploration of gas and as a result, when we've got 90 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: a dry year like we have now, we've got caught 91 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: horribly in terms of we're short. That is affecting our 92 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: industrial basis. 93 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 1: So you're not fixing that tomorrow, even if you say, go, look, 94 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: guess there's no guarantee. 95 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 2: No, but there are short term things that I think 96 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: we can do around electricity, gas, and then I think 97 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: there are other things around structure of the sector that 98 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: we will look at as well. 99 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: What do you say to Mike Foots, she was on 100 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: the program yesterday from contact right, you see, there's nothing 101 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: where we're investing. It'll get there eventually. It's just an 102 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: industry and transition. Is that fear or not. 103 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: I get that they're doing a lot of investment and 104 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: they've got more certainty now to invest. Heaven, we've got 105 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: ty sworded, got rid of Lake Onslow, We're going to 106 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: end the oil and gas ban ultimately. But I would 107 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: just say, as you also, you know, when you're running 108 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: at one thousand dollars per mega wat as we were 109 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: a week before last, and you've got Australia and others 110 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: running at fifty to one hundred, we've got a problem. 111 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: And the problem is Essentially, we're now having to import 112 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: huge amounts of Indonesian coal to actually get that Huntley 113 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: Power station others working. When we could have had gas 114 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: and now we've got no gas locally because it got 115 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: ended five years ago. Why would you invest in something 116 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: that was going to. 117 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: Be that is true? He said, there's an announcement coming 118 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: on gas. Do you know anything about that or not? 119 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: I might be aware of something, but that you're aware 120 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: of it, I'll let them in out news. 121 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: Is it substantial or not? Yeah, yeah, it does it. 122 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: So there's a series of what we've done is we've 123 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: got the industry together probably about eight weeks twelve weeks ago, 124 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: and we're actually talking about how do we ration supply, 125 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 2: how do we actually get gas from one place, you know, 126 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 2: to another place where we need it to get to 127 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: to consumers ultimately and to support our industrial base. 128 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: So that will alleviate the problem. 129 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 2: We have right series of short term tactical things that 130 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: we can do to make sure that we've got the 131 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: supply and demand working better. But the bigger question is 132 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 2: what are the longer term, medium term actions that we 133 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: need to get sorted so that we don't have this 134 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: energy security challenge. We shouldn't have this in this country. 135 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: We've got abundant natural resources. If we have gas, which 136 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: we're going to need when we've got dry rivers and 137 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 2: dry lakes and no wind and no sun, are we 138 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: going to need that? 139 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: Does the industry need up ending or not? 140 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: Well, we're up to looking at anything and everything. All 141 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: options are on the tables. 142 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: He says, it doesn't. It's fine, we'll get there. Do 143 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: you say differently or not? 144 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: Where that's one piece of work. They want to look 145 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: at his industry structure? 146 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: Okay, because where's the ComCom and the EA. They don't 147 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: seem either awake or alert to what's going on or 148 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: able to do anything. 149 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 2: Those are all part of a bucket of work that 150 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: some men will do around industry structure. 151 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: So when Fonterra yesterday and ENSCO say this affects our 152 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: export competitiveness time, it's unacceptable. 153 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: Utterly unacceptable, utterly unacceptable because essentially you've got people like 154 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 2: Fonterra having to choke back demand or supply, you know, 155 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: and they end up spilling melk. Ultimately, you've got meals 156 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: as you've seen recently that actually under huge pressure Whinstone 157 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 2: paper you know others tea wise choking back, it's use 158 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: because it's trying to free up and spill that altruists 159 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: into the system. 160 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: So you know they're all short, you. 161 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: Know, band aid solutions, but you actually need to get 162 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: a proper structure in place to say and half the 163 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: problem is this, if you're in that sector, you don't 164 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: have confidence to invest because the rules have kept changing 165 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: on you. And so you know that's why knocking off 166 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: Lake onso because we're not going to spend sixteen to 167 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: thirty billion dollars building that with public money. But that 168 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: means that they expect those gent tailors to invest in 169 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 2: proper infrastructure and proper new investments. We need to make 170 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 2: the oil and gas thing as a function of no 171 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: explorations been going on, so you know you've got that's 172 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: a five year delayed to get domestic gas back up 173 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: to where it needs to get to. So we've got 174 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: to think through that piece. And then there's genuine questions 175 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 2: around the structure of the market. Is it actually working 176 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: for us when we've got expensive energy and that's a 177 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: big because it does make our competitive. You just bus down. 178 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: Local water done well. Any regrets about that name really 179 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: proud of it, really proud of it? Are you who 180 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: came up with that. 181 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: Water like getting user and back on track? I think 182 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: I streamed it up till in the morning. 183 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: So far, so borrowing, So here are my concerns about it. 184 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: So borrowing five times is only good if it solves 185 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: the problem. What if you borrow five times it doesn't 186 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: solve your problem? Well, what we've got to do. 187 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: So if I take Auckland as an example, I think 188 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: it's a KKR solution. You've basically got out and said, 189 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: you've got this thing called water care. It's working on 190 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: a project at the moment, central interceptor, it's been working 191 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: on it for a while, got a whole bunch of 192 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: Italian tunnelers there, and then they've got no confidence because 193 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: they've got no money to know what they're rolling in 194 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: two next and actually now that they can go have 195 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: their own separate balance sheet, they can go borrow that 196 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: money up to five times. These are long run assets 197 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: at are thirty fifty seventy years locked down the road. 198 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: They can invest properly with a proper plan and actually 199 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: roll into another project straight after this one. So there's 200 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 2: about two billion dollars I think they can spin the 201 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: next ten years as a function of doing it. But 202 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: the genius of it is that then there's eight hundred 203 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: million dollars freed up from Auckland Council who were planning 204 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: to put that into water care because they don't need 205 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: to and they can put that into other stuff and 206 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: it's not sexy stuff. But actually just getting the mechanism 207 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: right has actually been quite important because the last lot 208 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: spent one point two five billion dollars looking into this 209 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: with one big mega model YEP, and for a couple 210 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: of hundred thousand dollars we found a solution that meets 211 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: the rating agent credit agencies as well as I was 212 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: getting a better stay. 213 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: Do you realistically think councils will coalesce if they're not 214 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: geographically connected to each other? 215 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 2: They will the ones that are adjacent. If you think 216 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: about the Hawks Bay, I get that four district councilors 217 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: one regional council want to come together. There are councils 218 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 2: in South Taranaki across the system YEP. Most of the 219 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: moment the last few years have actually said yeah, we've 220 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 2: we've got to collaborate on this. And then you get 221 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: to a subregional sort of focus rather than having to 222 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 2: deal with eighty two district and regional. 223 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: My next concern is when they go borrow the five times, 224 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: there's an interest bill on that, and some councils won't 225 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: pay that down because they're useless, and some will so 226 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm then, as a ratepayer, stuck with paying off a 227 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: debt and interest on the debt literally foreveranta. 228 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 2: Well, they will be able to access the lowest POSSI. 229 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 2: If you're not paying it down, then just pass the 230 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 2: alternative as you don't you do what we've seen across 231 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: the country, which is, you know, people go build convention 232 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: centers and invest in hotels and do other dumb things 233 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: rather than actually do the things they're supposed to do, 234 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: which is the basics brilliantly and making sure there's water 235 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: assets that are sort. 236 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: Of I don't want to spend a lot of time 237 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: in the welfare because that seems to explain itself. If 238 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: you want to behave yourself, you'll be fine. If you 239 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: don't want to. 240 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: Play responsibilities, show up, do some basic things. 241 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: Get It does worry me is from last week's unemployment numbers, 242 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: half the jobs lost were kids, So that indicates to 243 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: me they've got no qualifications. They've left school with no qualifications. Yep. 244 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: They've got nothing to offer the modern economy yep. What 245 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: are you doing about it? Yep? 246 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: So the reality I'm worried about that too. You've got 247 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: fifty five percent of the kids not at school regularly, 248 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: then they just roll straight onto unemployment eighteen to twenty four. 249 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: We've got forty two thousand of them at the moment. 250 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: What we're doing is we put four thousand more phone 251 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,479 Speaker 2: case managers in to try and get these kids, you know, contacted. 252 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: We've got two one hundred extra community organizations plugged in 253 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: with job support and we've got to get these kids 254 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 2: off welfare and into work. And we've got to teach 255 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 2: them that they've got to wake up, get to work, 256 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: do the basic. 257 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: Do you force them to tune anything? I mean sure, 258 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: because this is a tough economy apart from anything else, 259 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: and they've got nothing to work with the economy. No 260 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: AND's hiring them, so shure of bringing them up and 261 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: going get a Brian, how are you feeling today? What 262 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: do you want? 263 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: You've got to get them into it. You've got to 264 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: get them into work. So there are jobs there. I mean, 265 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: like I spoke to people in horticulture last week, you 266 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: still can't get New Zealanders showing up for jobs or 267 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: lasting more than twenty hours a week. We need massive 268 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 2: amounts of digger drivers. Are cool jobs, you know, and 269 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: you know we need those people in that system because 270 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 2: we're actually. 271 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: We've been setting the jobs out there for young New 272 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: Zealanders who do want to work. 273 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, there are guys is and you know, think 274 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: about it. We've got what we've gone from three point 275 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: two percent unemployment, which was record lows, we're still at 276 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: sort of four point six in the history of our country. 277 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: That's pretty low. 278 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: Still, tell me why I had Sunny Koschel on the program, 279 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: Cucil on the program yesterday. That crime group you set up, Yep, 280 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: you stuck them on the committee to silence them. No, 281 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: they haven't even started meeting yet. What the hell's going on. 282 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: I'll talk to Godsmith about that and the whip and 283 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: get on with that. You guys said that when you 284 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: set this group up it would last for two years, 285 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: but the ideas will be coming forthwith in the next 286 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. But at least a month they haven't 287 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: even met. 288 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 2: Well, they need to get meeting, then doesn't it. 289 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: You need you need to crack the whip. But I'll 290 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: tell you what. 291 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 2: I am pleased by the LRD order that we got 292 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 2: fifty two cops on the beat in three weeks and 293 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 2: the month of July and lo and behold. 294 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: You shouldn't have said that because what did the retail 295 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: crime numbers say yesterday? Yeah, but I've gone from forty 296 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: one and deies, dearies and service station account does it? 297 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to give you a perspective to 298 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: say that, actually, when you get out there and you 299 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: actually talk about what's happening for the down in cbd Auckland, 300 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: it's starting to get better. Okay, would you rather be 301 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: interviewed by me or Glenn? 302 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: Definitely? You. Yeah, there's no, there's no, there's no you're peerless, Mike. 303 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: I mean there's just no, there's no comparator, you know. 304 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: You take that. Nice to see Christoph election in the 305 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: prime Minister. 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