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Speaker 1: Common sense arrived yesterday. This in the form of the

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Speaker 1: governments reorganization of the earthquake building rules. Entire cities and

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Speaker 1: regions for goodness sake have been removed, timeframes for remediation

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Speaker 1: have been extended, and a shed loaded though eight billion

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Speaker 1: plus is being saved. Chris Pink is a building construction

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Speaker 1: minister and as well as good morning morning Mite. Now

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Speaker 1: you said yesterday I watched your press conference live. You

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Speaker 1: said it was well intentioned and was it really? When

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Speaker 1: you can take something as large as Auckland out of it,

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Speaker 1: how well intentioned is a plan that broad.

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Speaker 2: Well, certainly if you think about the tragedy that was

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Speaker 2: the loss of life and Canterbury earthquakes and a period

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Speaker 2: of time when everyone was wondering what that should be

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Speaker 2: going forward, I think really understandable that they wanted to

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Speaker 2: be risk averse. But the truth is we do still

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Speaker 2: need to maintain life safety to has the system, but

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Speaker 2: there are more nuanced ways we can do that. So

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Speaker 2: that's what we've learned in the intervening der Gate.

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Speaker 1: How literally have you assessed risk under your new calculation?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's possible to be precise, because obviously earthquakes are

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Speaker 2: difficult to predict one year to another, but we think

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Speaker 2: if we take a risk proportionate approach that asks, first

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Speaker 2: of all, where are the parts in New Zealand that

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Speaker 2: it's least likely, And then you refine down to the

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Speaker 2: remaining areas, which is to say, not au closed North

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Speaker 2: lond at Chedham Island, and then you ask what are

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Speaker 2: the most dangerous types of buildings and it gets the

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Speaker 2: high and construction methods, then you can start to make

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Speaker 2: some sensible changes. I think that hopefully people will regard

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Speaker 2: its balance.

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Speaker 1: What you what's the whole purpose of this? Is the

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Speaker 1: purpose to save some beautiful old buildings or just to

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Speaker 1: rectify people's lives who have had them shattered because they

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Speaker 1: count afford the building, can't get access to the money

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Speaker 1: to do it anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of the latter. The purpose of

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Speaker 2: the earthquake prone building regime, We're really clear it is

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Speaker 2: to preserve life. So if it does that, we keep it.

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Speaker 2: If it doesn't, or we can say, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: a reasonable kind of approach to say that we might

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Speaker 2: be going beyond what's reasonable, then we leave it. And look,

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Speaker 2: that might mean that there are some buildings that are

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Speaker 2: damaged in an earthquake and people simply need to pay

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Speaker 2: for those going forward. Well, they've got insurance options, but

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Speaker 2: that's a different matter from the government saying that people

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Speaker 2: must bring them up to a certain standard by a

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Speaker 2: certain time, and of course the consequence of that is

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Speaker 2: when they can't, the buildings can't derelict.

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Speaker 1: The fall down anyway, Chris appreciate it. Chris Pink's the

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