WEBVTT - The Panel: Fluoridation, Johnson & Johnson class action 0:00:05.721 --> 0:00:09.641 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from news Talk, SAIDB, 0:00:11.121 --> 0:00:14.601 debating all the issues and more. It's the panel on 0:00:14.721 --> 0:00:17.041 the Weekend Collective on news Talk, said B. 0:00:41.561 --> 0:00:44.441 Yes, in a very good afternoon to you. Hello, lovely 0:00:44.521 --> 0:00:46.401 to have your company. I'm Tim Beverage. This is the 0:00:46.401 --> 0:00:51.081 Weekend Collective for Saturday, the fifteenth of February. I did 0:00:51.121 --> 0:00:54.121 it again February. There's those two hours and always include 0:00:54.121 --> 0:00:56.321 the first hour as well. Anyway, I hope you had 0:00:56.321 --> 0:00:58.001 a good Valentine's Day yesterday. By the way, you can 0:00:58.041 --> 0:01:00.361 text your feedback anytime on nine two nine two or 0:01:00.401 --> 0:01:02.721 email Tim b at Newstalk SITB dot co dot nz. 0:01:03.161 --> 0:01:05.721 Coming up on today's show in just a moment, I introducing, 0:01:05.801 --> 0:01:09.721 as always, my esteemed panelists. After four o'clock. Looking a 0:01:09.761 --> 0:01:11.681 little bit further ahead to the one roof radio show, 0:01:12.041 --> 0:01:14.401 we have Helen Sullivan joining us. She's the CEO of 0:01:14.401 --> 0:01:18.161 real estate at Velocity Global. I mean to talk about 0:01:18.161 --> 0:01:19.921 the types of sale in a market that's a bit 0:01:20.041 --> 0:01:22.521 flat because you law you know, we've had auctioneers on 0:01:22.561 --> 0:01:23.921 the show saying, look, you've just got to pay the 0:01:23.961 --> 0:01:26.401 most money for it. But in a flatter market, is 0:01:26.881 --> 0:01:29.681 is there a way you can drive a bargain with 0:01:29.801 --> 0:01:32.161 your auction or your buying and selling tactics. This will 0:01:32.161 --> 0:01:33.801 be on the one rufradio show. One of my guests 0:01:33.881 --> 0:01:35.521 is actually thinking, gosh, I should be on that hour. 0:01:35.601 --> 0:01:37.961 Get me back for that. There's a slight clue as 0:01:38.001 --> 0:01:40.601 to who it might be. Anyway, and after five four 0:01:40.761 --> 0:01:43.601 the Parents Squad Dave Atkinson, he is the CEO of 0:01:43.601 --> 0:01:46.641 the Parenting Place, talking about the ways to build your 0:01:46.721 --> 0:01:50.561 child's resilience and when it comes to rules for parents, 0:01:50.681 --> 0:01:53.761 is explaining the rules to your kids? Is explaining losing? 0:01:53.961 --> 0:01:55.801 Because it is one of those wonderful memes people who 0:01:55.881 --> 0:01:58.521 explaining is losing. I never really knew what that meant. 0:01:58.521 --> 0:02:00.321 But anyway, and just before sex will talk with Elliott 0:02:00.321 --> 0:02:03.121 Smith to preview the Blues and the Chiefs. Welcome to 0:02:03.321 --> 0:02:08.401 the Weekend Collective. It's eight minutes past three, and time 0:02:08.801 --> 0:02:11.081 that is the time always means it's time to produce 0:02:11.121 --> 0:02:13.761 my steam panelists in no particular order, because sometimes I've 0:02:13.761 --> 0:02:15.761 done an age before beauty thing, but that line's getting 0:02:15.761 --> 0:02:19.921 a bit tired and so I don't know what I'll 0:02:19.921 --> 0:02:23.201 just keep moving. He is, well, he was actually champing 0:02:23.201 --> 0:02:24.441 at the bit there when I said what we'd be 0:02:24.441 --> 0:02:27.761 talking about for property, because that's sort of his gig. 0:02:27.801 --> 0:02:29.881 He's a real estate agent for Barfoot and Thompson. But 0:02:29.921 --> 0:02:33.281 he's also an entrepreneur, former restaurateur, and his name is 0:02:33.361 --> 0:02:34.761 Luke Dala. Look here you go. 0:02:35.081 --> 0:02:38.601 I'm great Tim as my son's twenty third birthday today, 0:02:38.721 --> 0:02:40.641 so I wish him a big birthday. 0:02:40.681 --> 0:02:43.881 Wish Max happy birthday. By the way, just quickly before 0:02:43.881 --> 0:02:45.521 we introduce my next guest, did you do do you 0:02:45.521 --> 0:02:46.521 do Valentine's Day? 0:02:46.761 --> 0:02:47.001 No? 0:02:47.481 --> 0:02:50.241 I'm normally against it, but when you get up in 0:02:50.281 --> 0:02:52.881 the morning and your wife has left you a nice 0:02:52.921 --> 0:02:55.441 little gift with a lovely card Valentine's Day, I sort 0:02:55.481 --> 0:03:01.201 of thought. I said, look, yours is coming anyway, it's coming, 0:03:01.441 --> 0:03:04.521 so I had to succumb anyway. And also joining me, 0:03:04.641 --> 0:03:11.201 she is a media and screen guru Stalwarts perhaps, and 0:03:11.321 --> 0:03:14.561 also president of SPARTA, which is the she tell me 0:03:14.601 --> 0:03:18.161 what it is again, Produces Guild, Screen Producers Guild, and 0:03:18.201 --> 0:03:20.481 it is Irene Gardener. Hi, Ren, how are you hello there? 0:03:20.481 --> 0:03:21.961 I'm very well, thank you. 0:03:21.761 --> 0:03:23.601 Nice to see you. We were discussing before whether it's 0:03:23.601 --> 0:03:25.241 too late to stay happy New Year, and it is 0:03:25.361 --> 0:03:26.721 really because it is mid. 0:03:26.561 --> 0:03:29.241 February, I think it is. But the point was that 0:03:29.361 --> 0:03:30.761 I hadn't seen you yet. 0:03:30.961 --> 0:03:34.041 That's right, that's right, and it's yeah, nice to see 0:03:34.081 --> 0:03:37.761 you anyway. Guys. Hey, by the way, just quickly, I mean, 0:03:37.921 --> 0:03:39.481 just get to get a preview for the one roof. 0:03:39.961 --> 0:03:42.161 You know, do you have are you sort of do 0:03:42.201 --> 0:03:45.281 you have opinions on tactics and bidding for properties? 0:03:45.321 --> 0:03:47.721 And still one hundred percent depending on the client and 0:03:48.401 --> 0:03:50.921 if they really want to win it, I take over 0:03:50.921 --> 0:03:53.081 the billing for them, really gives them confidence. 0:03:53.081 --> 0:03:54.561 Aren't you working for the seller? 0:03:54.841 --> 0:03:56.721 Well I am, because I'm trying to get as much 0:03:56.721 --> 0:04:00.041 as possible. This is a buyer, so you know, of 0:04:00.081 --> 0:04:02.321 course I'm trying to get the most most money for 0:04:02.361 --> 0:04:03.401 this for the vendor. 0:04:03.481 --> 0:04:05.401 That's going to be an interesting chat for But anyway, 0:04:05.441 --> 0:04:07.441 guess what, you can't talk about it now that you've 0:04:07.441 --> 0:04:10.921 had your chance, You've had your brief screenshot of your opinion. 0:04:11.361 --> 0:04:14.361 So let's get into it. Anyway. The first top cab 0:04:14.401 --> 0:04:17.761 off the rank is as I've just dropped my papers. 0:04:18.081 --> 0:04:23.161 Oh yeah, gosh, this one. So the bill introducing introduced 0:04:23.201 --> 0:04:25.481 by New Zealand first, which wants to have a referendum 0:04:25.561 --> 0:04:29.001 on fluoride, so they want to Winston Peters wants to 0:04:29.041 --> 0:04:33.001 put important public health measures like this, they want to 0:04:33.841 --> 0:04:39.041 He's playing the overreaching Wellington based bureaucrats card and says 0:04:39.041 --> 0:04:41.841 that people who oppose the bill are those that oppose democracy, 0:04:41.881 --> 0:04:45.401 and that these decisions around fluoride are a decision for 0:04:45.441 --> 0:04:48.841 each community in the form of their councils. I'll hold 0:04:48.881 --> 0:04:50.881 my opinion fire on that just for a second, but 0:04:50.921 --> 0:04:51.761 I'll start with you, Ireen. 0:04:51.841 --> 0:04:55.321 What do you reckon I'm not a great fan of referendums. 0:04:56.441 --> 0:04:59.201 They're actually I think the word is referender. But hey, 0:04:59.281 --> 0:05:04.041 let's not get all Grammary. The reason being that if 0:05:04.041 --> 0:05:09.721 they're about a specialist topic like health, medical science, and 0:05:09.761 --> 0:05:12.161 in fact even the Treaty of Waitangi, which you do 0:05:12.241 --> 0:05:16.281 need to have specialist historic knowledge and legal knowledge to do, 0:05:16.721 --> 0:05:19.761 I don't really think it's right that everybody votes on 0:05:19.841 --> 0:05:22.841 something where they just won't have the knowledge in the 0:05:22.881 --> 0:05:25.641 same way as you know, I mean, it's a silly example, 0:05:25.641 --> 0:05:28.521 but you know, you wouldn't expect people to vote on 0:05:28.601 --> 0:05:30.121 how to do brain surgery. 0:05:31.041 --> 0:05:34.441 No, but actually the yeah, and I think there is 0:05:34.601 --> 0:05:37.841 I think that Winston runs with the hairs enhuants with 0:05:37.881 --> 0:05:39.721 the hounds a bit on whether it's going to be 0:05:39.801 --> 0:05:42.641 the overall government having to say or your local community 0:05:42.681 --> 0:05:43.001 doesn't it. 0:05:43.041 --> 0:05:46.001 Luke Well, I'm all for the overall government looking after 0:05:46.041 --> 0:05:48.561 Florida and that sort of public health sector. And the 0:05:48.641 --> 0:05:50.681 reason is that just stops the red tape for all 0:05:50.681 --> 0:05:53.761 the small sort of city boroughs and so forth, councils 0:05:54.401 --> 0:05:55.401 and Floria. 0:05:55.441 --> 0:05:58.401 It's great for you to lenting tooths, okay exactly. 0:05:58.441 --> 0:06:01.641 And for our young young kids and our poor poverty kids, 0:06:02.481 --> 0:06:05.641 they need a backbone. And that's it in Florid and water. 0:06:06.481 --> 0:06:09.081 I mean, because there is the argument about I don't 0:06:09.081 --> 0:06:10.641 believe there's an argument about the science, but there will 0:06:10.641 --> 0:06:12.241 always be people who will want to have a crack 0:06:12.281 --> 0:06:14.761 at the science. But you look at christ it doesn't 0:06:14.801 --> 0:06:17.161 have fluoridation and it has the worst rates of child 0:06:17.241 --> 0:06:18.961 tooth decay in the country. 0:06:19.361 --> 0:06:21.841 I think the science is pretty pretty on the side 0:06:21.841 --> 0:06:22.441 of the Florid. 0:06:23.121 --> 0:06:25.921 I think we're the argument where people get confused is 0:06:25.961 --> 0:06:27.801 there's such a thing as too much of anything. And 0:06:27.801 --> 0:06:29.561 there are places in the world, such as in America, 0:06:29.561 --> 0:06:32.401 where the natural fluoride supply is so high, they reduce it. 0:06:32.601 --> 0:06:35.521 They don't eliminate it though. But here's the thing where 0:06:35.521 --> 0:06:38.481 I think Winston's been bit cute and well since he 0:06:38.561 --> 0:06:40.921 came into government, I've become much more of a fan 0:06:41.001 --> 0:06:43.361 because I probably had a fair amount of loathing for 0:06:43.441 --> 0:06:45.801 him in the way he politics. This is to me, 0:06:45.881 --> 0:06:48.121 this is campaigning Winston, who I don't like very much. 0:06:48.481 --> 0:06:51.481 But it is a strange argument to say let's throw 0:06:51.521 --> 0:06:53.681 the power back to your local communities, when in fact 0:06:54.121 --> 0:06:56.881 he is in central government and he would want the 0:06:56.921 --> 0:07:00.681 laws that he would pass to govern everyone. It's like 0:07:00.761 --> 0:07:02.721 saying let's throw it back to let's throw it back 0:07:02.761 --> 0:07:04.801 to each town as to how much tax you want 0:07:04.841 --> 0:07:06.841 to pay and when you get your super. 0:07:06.961 --> 0:07:09.201 Or if you're talking public health, you know, whether you're 0:07:09.201 --> 0:07:11.401 allowed to speed or wear a seatbelt. I mean, there's 0:07:11.441 --> 0:07:14.121 always things that some people don't like but that are 0:07:14.241 --> 0:07:16.841 for our good that it is up to the central 0:07:16.881 --> 0:07:18.361 government to mandate. 0:07:18.401 --> 0:07:20.201 I must have meatize. I'm always a bit nervous about 0:07:20.201 --> 0:07:22.161 these topics, only because you know, the fluoride thing is 0:07:22.161 --> 0:07:23.001 a bit of a you know. 0:07:23.601 --> 0:07:25.361 And look, if you really feel weird about it and 0:07:25.401 --> 0:07:27.761 don't want it. Just don't use the town water, you know, 0:07:27.801 --> 0:07:28.361 buy some water. 0:07:28.561 --> 0:07:31.401 I grew up in when where we didn't have fluoride 0:07:31.401 --> 0:07:33.561 in the water, and you have no teeth. No, my 0:07:33.641 --> 0:07:37.001 mum gave me a fluoride tablet to every morning. It 0:07:37.041 --> 0:07:40.761 was one of those most It's literally like eating a 0:07:40.801 --> 0:07:43.761 tiny piece of chalk. It was a tiny little pill 0:07:44.601 --> 0:07:47.001 and I never never thought a single thing about it 0:07:47.081 --> 0:07:49.801 until years and years later, I was like, you know, 0:07:49.961 --> 0:07:52.841 I knew what I was taking along with my with 0:07:52.961 --> 0:07:56.281 the fizzy, colorful malt. What was it? Plur of it vitamin? 0:07:57.721 --> 0:07:58.601 I love the plur of it. 0:07:59.521 --> 0:08:02.441 I've had our olkle water for quite a long time. 0:08:02.441 --> 0:08:04.641 I've only got one filling, so it works. Yeah. 0:08:05.481 --> 0:08:07.721 Well, I mean look, and the other thing is as well, 0:08:07.761 --> 0:08:10.201 you shouldn't just rely on fluoridation. In fact, one of the. 0:08:10.121 --> 0:08:12.561 Things teeth you can do your teeth mess. 0:08:12.601 --> 0:08:12.721 Well. 0:08:12.761 --> 0:08:15.601 No, actually, there was one interesting bit of information I 0:08:15.601 --> 0:08:17.401 thought it's worth passing on. That I was when I 0:08:17.441 --> 0:08:20.001 was reading about the christ Church kids and they're decay. 0:08:20.961 --> 0:08:24.761 But one of the experts in to dental health said 0:08:24.801 --> 0:08:28.281 that one of the biggest problems for us, not just adults, 0:08:28.321 --> 0:08:30.681 but kids as well, is that we don't have regular 0:08:30.761 --> 0:08:34.881 meals and leave it there. We are more grazing regularly, 0:08:35.241 --> 0:08:38.681 and we're constantly introducing bacteria to our teeth. Whereas it 0:08:38.801 --> 0:08:40.881 used to be, Hey, kids, when you have when you 0:08:40.881 --> 0:08:42.961 have your lunch at school, eat an apple to finish 0:08:43.041 --> 0:08:45.801 with and rinse your mouth out. Whereas if you're constantly grazing, 0:08:46.201 --> 0:08:48.681 and that apparently is a problem, and that was news 0:08:48.721 --> 0:08:50.881 to me. Grazing is not good for your teeth. 0:08:50.961 --> 0:08:52.401 I like that. I don't like to graze either. I 0:08:52.481 --> 0:08:55.161 got my two meals a day and that's my lot too. Yeah, 0:08:55.201 --> 0:08:58.641 what fasting? Are you fast fasting? 0:09:00.441 --> 0:09:02.361 I've always I keep on always having a slip of 0:09:02.361 --> 0:09:04.601 the tongue when I'm talking about intermittent fasting because I 0:09:04.601 --> 0:09:08.601 forget the yes sometimes and I'm wondering if intimate fasting 0:09:08.681 --> 0:09:12.241 leads to intimate farting. But anyway, so does that mean 0:09:12.281 --> 0:09:15.881 that you're having you're having an early dinner and breakfast 0:09:15.921 --> 0:09:18.281 or what? I don't need after seven? Yeah, and I 0:09:18.281 --> 0:09:21.681 don't eat before twelve. Wow, Okay, but. 0:09:21.681 --> 0:09:24.241 I have lots of water in between. Yeah, that's my lot. 0:09:24.481 --> 0:09:24.921 Excellent. 0:09:25.001 --> 0:09:25.841 Has it really worked? 0:09:27.161 --> 0:09:30.041 How long you've been learning for about four months. Oh wow, 0:09:30.081 --> 0:09:34.361 that's really actually you you do. I was thinking actually 0:09:34.361 --> 0:09:35.601 when you walked in and I thought you were looking 0:09:35.601 --> 0:09:39.281 pretty good there luk, So there you go. Anyway, let's 0:09:39.281 --> 0:09:41.641 move on to the other one. Now, this old chestnut, 0:09:41.641 --> 0:09:45.801 the potential for superannuation to me means tested, is one 0:09:46.001 --> 0:09:51.001 part of the conversation, but basically Finance Minister Nichola willis 0:09:51.121 --> 0:09:54.401 Is mentioned on news talks EB yesterday that the scheme 0:09:54.401 --> 0:09:57.201 for superannuation needs to be sustainable and a debate about 0:09:57.241 --> 0:10:00.561 age eligibility will need be needed eventually as well. People 0:10:00.601 --> 0:10:03.921 are saying raising the age makes sense. There are other 0:10:03.921 --> 0:10:06.961 people who are talking about me testing. It just seems 0:10:06.961 --> 0:10:09.361 to me to be one of those conversations. Irene that 0:10:09.761 --> 0:10:12.481 it's not going away. I do talk back all the time, 0:10:12.521 --> 0:10:14.681 and the number of times we've talked about this would 0:10:14.681 --> 0:10:16.121 be have to be two or three times a year. 0:10:16.161 --> 0:10:18.521 It pops up eventually, aren't we going to be making 0:10:18.521 --> 0:10:19.241 a change? Do you think? 0:10:19.961 --> 0:10:23.441 Yeah, it's a really tricky one because I kind of 0:10:23.681 --> 0:10:26.241 I can sort of see it from all angles and yeah, 0:10:26.441 --> 0:10:29.281 I mean it has to be sustainable and it's getting 0:10:29.321 --> 0:10:30.841 to the point where at some point, it may not 0:10:30.881 --> 0:10:35.961 be I think would I would probably lean less towards 0:10:36.601 --> 0:10:39.841 putting the age up and maybe more towards at least 0:10:39.881 --> 0:10:41.641 an element of means testing. 0:10:42.001 --> 0:10:42.961 That's an interesting one. 0:10:43.361 --> 0:10:46.961 I mean, you know, to be fair, I'm relatively close 0:10:47.041 --> 0:10:50.281 to this, and so I'm voting against myself potentially here. 0:10:51.401 --> 0:10:54.761 But yeah, I sort of I think the danger of 0:10:54.801 --> 0:10:57.081 raising the ages. See, for someone like myself, who's you know, 0:10:57.161 --> 0:10:59.881 done desk type jobs, it would be no big deal 0:10:59.921 --> 0:11:02.161 to keep working. But you know, for a builder or 0:11:02.201 --> 0:11:04.961 a plumber who's wrecked their body, you can't really expect 0:11:04.921 --> 0:11:05.841 them to work past. 0:11:06.001 --> 0:11:08.641 Yeah, that is the usually the argument that comes up, 0:11:09.281 --> 0:11:13.561 and I think I think that that's a question about 0:11:13.561 --> 0:11:16.321 what would be the hardest sell. And I would have thought, 0:11:17.321 --> 0:11:19.881 just based on the talkback experience I've had with this, 0:11:20.401 --> 0:11:23.001 that that argument about of course different occupations and all that. 0:11:23.081 --> 0:11:26.041 I mean, that applies to people probably before the age 0:11:26.041 --> 0:11:28.161 of sixty five. But the one that I've had the 0:11:28.201 --> 0:11:31.561 most pushback on is I don't care what they say 0:11:31.801 --> 0:11:35.281 means testing. I've paid my Bliman taxes, I've contributed to society, 0:11:35.481 --> 0:11:37.521 and if you've got a means test me again for 0:11:37.641 --> 0:11:40.121 this and when there are other ways you're going to 0:11:40.121 --> 0:11:41.961 have to pay for things like aged care facilities and 0:11:41.961 --> 0:11:43.801 stuff like that, that's going to take your money anyway. 0:11:43.961 --> 0:11:46.761 What do you think, Luke, I'm all about raising the 0:11:46.801 --> 0:11:50.721 age and definitely not means testing. And I think everyone's like, 0:11:50.801 --> 0:11:52.561 do pay the taxes, so we should get to a 0:11:52.561 --> 0:11:55.001 point where we're going to get something back. But my 0:11:55.441 --> 0:11:58.321 point is if you care, if you are rich or 0:11:58.321 --> 0:12:00.961 you know, or you can afford to give it back 0:12:01.081 --> 0:12:02.801 or say no or opt out to it to say 0:12:02.841 --> 0:12:04.921 look I don't need it, put it back into this, 0:12:05.641 --> 0:12:06.961 or gi it to a charity, or give it to 0:12:07.001 --> 0:12:11.241 another organization that may need it. But means testing to 0:12:11.281 --> 0:12:13.401 me is look, if paid my taxes, I've done with 0:12:13.481 --> 0:12:14.641 sixty five years work. 0:12:14.961 --> 0:12:18.481 Yeah. I think we also forget the retirement age. It 0:12:18.521 --> 0:12:21.161 has gone up over the course of history because we're 0:12:21.161 --> 0:12:23.361 all living longer. You just look at and you look 0:12:23.401 --> 0:12:25.241 at people. I think there was a time, maybe when 0:12:25.281 --> 0:12:27.401 I was growing up, when somebody who was in their 0:12:27.441 --> 0:12:30.161 sixties or seventy that was like, oh, they're getting old. 0:12:30.441 --> 0:12:33.921 But I see people who it's like, I mean's line 0:12:33.961 --> 0:12:36.761 I use all the time. But sixties the new fifty fifties, 0:12:36.761 --> 0:12:39.521 the new forty forties, the new thirty you know. And 0:12:39.601 --> 0:12:41.041 I don't know if you saw the story last night 0:12:41.081 --> 0:12:43.281 about Christ's College and they had an old boy there 0:12:43.281 --> 0:12:45.721 who was one hundred and three, and it sounds like 0:12:45.721 --> 0:12:47.241 a joke when I said he didn't look at day 0:12:47.241 --> 0:12:51.561 over eighty. But he didn't look he looked amazing. Yeah, 0:12:51.601 --> 0:12:53.881 so that's the thing. We are living longer. So isn't 0:12:53.881 --> 0:12:56.321 it a natural consequence? We can't fight against that age 0:12:56.321 --> 0:12:57.921 growing up? Irene, I'll throw that back at you. 0:12:58.081 --> 0:13:00.441 Well, that is true, and so yeah, it's tricky. I mean, 0:13:00.481 --> 0:13:02.841 just pick up on Luke's point about you know, maybe 0:13:03.081 --> 0:13:05.441 you don't means test it, but you do it and 0:13:05.481 --> 0:13:07.001 more of it. You know, if you don't need it, 0:13:07.161 --> 0:13:09.521 do something, give it back or don't take it, or 0:13:09.521 --> 0:13:11.161 do something with it. It's funny because you know, I 0:13:11.201 --> 0:13:13.201 think about that and you know whether or not I'll 0:13:13.201 --> 0:13:15.521 need it, and whether. 0:13:15.321 --> 0:13:17.121 You'll need, whether you're need whether you need super on. 0:13:17.321 --> 0:13:20.241 I would want to give it to people of my 0:13:20.401 --> 0:13:22.761 choice rather than the governments, which is kind of weird. 0:13:22.841 --> 0:13:24.921 Well, no, no, I think that that's where you and 0:13:25.041 --> 0:13:28.001 Luked are on the same page because I know people 0:13:28.041 --> 0:13:31.841 who will never need super but if it's there, they're like, well, actually, 0:13:31.841 --> 0:13:34.361 if that's my entitlement, i'll take it. But you know what, 0:13:34.441 --> 0:13:36.121 I'll make a decision as to what I do with it. 0:13:36.161 --> 0:13:38.881 If I want to give it to hospice, I'll give 0:13:38.881 --> 0:13:41.041 it to hospice. Because there comes a point where you're 0:13:41.041 --> 0:13:43.001 old enough, you've done your time as a taxpayer as 0:13:43.001 --> 0:13:45.281 a contributor, where I think you should be able to 0:13:45.281 --> 0:13:47.721 say I'm going to give this money mighty, or to 0:13:47.761 --> 0:13:50.161 my grandkids help them buy their first house, or it's 0:13:50.241 --> 0:13:51.801 right in the first home and a depods on the 0:13:51.841 --> 0:13:52.201 first home. 0:13:52.521 --> 0:13:52.801 Yeah. 0:13:52.881 --> 0:13:56.241 Yeah, anyway, so good good luck having that conversation. I say, 0:13:57.241 --> 0:13:59.761 just quickly before we go to the break, I did 0:13:59.801 --> 0:14:02.281 want to touch on that. So that's a pretty heavy topic. 0:14:02.321 --> 0:14:05.241 But I find it a little bit depressing what's going on, 0:14:05.241 --> 0:14:07.081 at least when it comes to resolving the war in 0:14:07.201 --> 0:14:10.961 Ukraine that Trump has picked up the phone to putin 0:14:11.481 --> 0:14:14.041 so far as Zelensky has been put out of the loop, 0:14:14.201 --> 0:14:16.361 and it looks like there's going to be this policy 0:14:16.401 --> 0:14:19.721 of appeasement. Have you followed this much, Iran? 0:14:20.641 --> 0:14:24.321 Yes, it's sort of a bit of a sinking heart. Really, 0:14:25.521 --> 0:14:27.281 I just really feel for Zelenski. 0:14:28.241 --> 0:14:30.641 Yeah, it does feel like they basically, I mean, maybe 0:14:30.681 --> 0:14:33.401 it is realistic that you can't exactly put the borders 0:14:33.441 --> 0:14:36.161 back to where they were. But Vladimir Putin is an 0:14:36.201 --> 0:14:40.401 evil bastard. Pardon my friend. He's not a very nice man. 0:14:40.481 --> 0:14:43.921 He's just doesn't seem right, you know. And yet so 0:14:43.921 --> 0:14:46.121 I suppose sometimes you have to be pragmatic. 0:14:46.161 --> 0:14:48.761 But I don't know, but saving lives, I mean, you 0:14:48.801 --> 0:14:50.321 can get on with it. At some point. It's going 0:14:50.361 --> 0:14:52.121 to be a war for a long time. That's why 0:14:52.161 --> 0:14:55.121 I see it, is that what's the better evil? You know? 0:14:55.641 --> 0:14:57.801 Well, I guess you know that Europe will certainly be 0:14:57.841 --> 0:15:00.401 feeling the pressure to be up in its defense spending stuff, 0:15:00.441 --> 0:15:05.721 because they've said, they've they've been talk about that it 0:15:05.761 --> 0:15:07.801 shouldn't be like a Minsk three. I think there were 0:15:07.841 --> 0:15:10.841 after previous agreements where they simply paused at hostilities and 0:15:10.881 --> 0:15:13.161 Putin just took it as an excuse to regroup and 0:15:13.201 --> 0:15:14.801 then attack again a few years later. And that's what 0:15:14.801 --> 0:15:16.601 I think we'd all be worried about, isn't that exactly? 0:15:16.761 --> 0:15:19.641 As long as Ukraine gets NATO, I'd be happy. 0:15:19.721 --> 0:15:21.761 Well, that's not going to happen. It doesn't sounds like 0:15:21.761 --> 0:15:24.801 it doesn't. It's not going to happen anyway. And I 0:15:24.841 --> 0:15:27.281 avoided talking about ARIFK when we're talking about fluoride. So 0:15:27.321 --> 0:15:29.041 we'll just leave that one and we'll come back in 0:15:29.081 --> 0:15:30.761 just a moment. This is the panel on news Talk 0:15:30.881 --> 0:15:35.161 z B. My guests are Luke Dello and Irene Gardner. 0:15:35.201 --> 0:15:58.881 It's coming out to twenty two past three. Yes, welcome 0:15:58.881 --> 0:16:00.641 back to news Talk said B. Yes that that that. 0:16:01.041 --> 0:16:03.121 I've requested a little bit of led Zeppelin this morning. 0:16:03.161 --> 0:16:06.401 I don't know why, but I just I always discover 0:16:06.521 --> 0:16:08.961 music very late, and I'm just getting into led Zeppelin 0:16:09.001 --> 0:16:10.801 again because it was the sort of music soundtrack when 0:16:10.801 --> 0:16:13.441 I was growing up. My brothers used to to pump 0:16:13.481 --> 0:16:15.361 it out, and it's also familiar, but I haven't normally 0:16:15.441 --> 0:16:17.881 had it as my normal playlist. But there's also my 0:16:18.321 --> 0:16:23.081 producer's infants favorite favorite stuff led Zeppelin, so she's raising him. 0:16:23.081 --> 0:16:26.601 Well anyway, welcome back to the panel. I my name's 0:16:26.601 --> 0:16:29.481 Tim beveradge At. Luke Dallo and Irene Gardner are my guests, 0:16:30.041 --> 0:16:32.681 and let's move on to Well, we're sticking with a 0:16:32.721 --> 0:16:37.601 political theme, but something that's slightly quirkier. No Mackers, no 0:16:37.721 --> 0:16:41.121 McDonald's for Queenstown. So the commissioners have declined to grant 0:16:41.161 --> 0:16:44.961 consent from McDonald's restaurant to open in won Aca. So 0:16:45.001 --> 0:16:46.201 it was going to be a four hundred and fifty 0:16:46.241 --> 0:16:49.601 five square meter restaurant with a drive through at the 0:16:49.681 --> 0:16:54.841 one Aca Luggett Highway below Mount Iron, and of the 0:16:55.161 --> 0:16:57.521 residents were up in arms about it. They were concerned 0:16:57.521 --> 0:17:00.481 about the visual and esthetic impact on the town, litter 0:17:00.561 --> 0:17:04.361 and all that sort of thing. So McDonald's for the 0:17:04.401 --> 0:17:10.001 time being is gon burger no pun intended, Actually no 0:17:10.001 --> 0:17:12.561 pun intended. Its just popped out like that, Luke, what 0:17:12.601 --> 0:17:13.201 do you reckon? 0:17:13.481 --> 0:17:18.721 What did you get over yourself? Absolutely get over yourself. 0:17:19.521 --> 0:17:21.641 Just imagine the uproar of a carngo or a six 0:17:22.001 --> 0:17:24.881 story building was built on that properly you want, I 0:17:24.921 --> 0:17:28.081 could just go beside itself. But no, McDonald's is more 0:17:28.081 --> 0:17:30.641 of a restaurant, you know. It provides job, supports community, 0:17:30.721 --> 0:17:34.401 and it's good to the community. It's environmentally responsible as well. 0:17:34.801 --> 0:17:38.121 It's just the customers are not environmentally responsible because I mean, 0:17:38.161 --> 0:17:40.081 we all have that image of the McDonald's wrapper blow 0:17:40.121 --> 0:17:42.681 across the street, mind, just only because it's so clearly labeled. 0:17:42.721 --> 0:17:43.241 You notice it. 0:17:43.481 --> 0:17:47.281 What's marketing, isn't it. It's marketing spent all that. But hey, 0:17:47.281 --> 0:17:49.641 there's a McDonald's and whistler, get over yourself. 0:17:49.841 --> 0:17:51.321 There's a McDonald's in Paris. 0:17:51.521 --> 0:17:54.961 Correct, So but should there be Well. 0:17:56.041 --> 0:17:59.441 Here's the thing I'll throw you. I think, Well, now, 0:17:59.521 --> 0:18:02.001 let's get your opinion and see where it goes before 0:18:02.001 --> 0:18:03.841 I shoot it down. But you I'm not sure what. 0:18:03.761 --> 0:18:07.281 Iren is going to say, But I'm ah, I'm sort 0:18:07.281 --> 0:18:10.841 of I think the problem is that the site they 0:18:10.921 --> 0:18:14.801 picked is probably the wrong site for it. 0:18:15.121 --> 0:18:17.761 And you have to kind of go you know, that area. 0:18:18.121 --> 0:18:20.521 It is a tourist area. It has a certain look 0:18:20.841 --> 0:18:24.441 and character. So I can kind of understand why. Because 0:18:24.841 --> 0:18:30.041 the site they picked is in a particularly impactful place, 0:18:30.201 --> 0:18:33.281 I can understand it. So I've got a little bit 0:18:33.281 --> 0:18:38.161 more sympathy than my friend Luke here. Yeah, however, I 0:18:38.281 --> 0:18:41.521 kind of think you could have a McDonald's there, but 0:18:41.881 --> 0:18:46.161 just in a different place, a little bit better controlled. 0:18:46.321 --> 0:18:49.281 Maybe, you know, well, I mean, you can also design buildings. 0:18:49.321 --> 0:18:51.961 It's like the one in Paris. You hardly know it's there. 0:18:52.001 --> 0:18:54.921 There's a tiny little Cyncers have rules in Paris about 0:18:54.921 --> 0:18:57.081 with signage, so there's no big building. Yeah, there's no 0:18:57.161 --> 0:18:59.481 massive sort of I mean, it's not just one mcnonald's 0:18:59.481 --> 0:19:01.041 in Paris. I'm sure there's more, but I saw one 0:19:01.081 --> 0:19:04.241 but almost didn't notice it. It's interesting they have Macaron's 0:19:05.281 --> 0:19:08.521 in the Paris McDonald's as well. In fact, they've got 0:19:08.561 --> 0:19:11.801 quite a few Paris well. Of course that's where the 0:19:11.801 --> 0:19:15.001 French fries come from, thank you very much. I look, 0:19:15.161 --> 0:19:20.041 here's here's the here's the thing. I think that it's 0:19:20.121 --> 0:19:23.201 too easy to go on McDonald's as if McDonald's is 0:19:23.761 --> 0:19:26.641 the villain and people go, oh, well, big Max, you know, 0:19:26.681 --> 0:19:28.561 they're not healthy and all that sort of stuff, when 0:19:28.601 --> 0:19:32.161