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Speaker 2: Yes, in a very good afternoon to you. Hello, lovely
Speaker 2: to have your company. I'm Tim Beverage. This is the
Speaker 2: Weekend Collective for Saturday, the fifteenth of February. I did
Speaker 2: it again February. There's those two hours and always include
Speaker 2: the first hour as well. Anyway, I hope you had
Speaker 2: a good Valentine's Day yesterday. By the way, you can
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Speaker 2: Coming up on today's show in just a moment, I introducing,
Speaker 2: as always, my esteemed panelists. After four o'clock. Looking a
Speaker 2: little bit further ahead to the one roof radio show,
Speaker 2: we have Helen Sullivan joining us. She's the CEO of
Speaker 2: real estate at Velocity Global. I mean to talk about
Speaker 2: the types of sale in a market that's a bit
Speaker 2: flat because you law you know, we've had auctioneers on
Speaker 2: the show saying, look, you've just got to pay the
Speaker 2: most money for it. But in a flatter market, is
Speaker 2: is there a way you can drive a bargain with
Speaker 2: your auction or your buying and selling tactics. This will
Speaker 2: be on the one rufradio show. One of my guests
Speaker 2: is actually thinking, gosh, I should be on that hour.
Speaker 2: Get me back for that. There's a slight clue as
Speaker 2: to who it might be. Anyway, and after five four
Speaker 2: the Parents Squad Dave Atkinson, he is the CEO of
Speaker 2: the Parenting Place, talking about the ways to build your
Speaker 2: child's resilience and when it comes to rules for parents,
Speaker 2: is explaining the rules to your kids? Is explaining losing?
Speaker 2: Because it is one of those wonderful memes people who
Speaker 2: explaining is losing. I never really knew what that meant.
Speaker 2: But anyway, and just before sex will talk with Elliott
Speaker 2: Smith to preview the Blues and the Chiefs. Welcome to
Speaker 2: the Weekend Collective. It's eight minutes past three, and time
Speaker 2: that is the time always means it's time to produce
Speaker 2: my steam panelists in no particular order, because sometimes I've
Speaker 2: done an age before beauty thing, but that line's getting
Speaker 2: a bit tired and so I don't know what I'll
Speaker 2: just keep moving. He is, well, he was actually champing
Speaker 2: at the bit there when I said what we'd be
Speaker 2: talking about for property, because that's sort of his gig.
Speaker 2: He's a real estate agent for Barfoot and Thompson. But
Speaker 2: he's also an entrepreneur, former restaurateur, and his name is
Speaker 2: Luke Dala. Look here you go.
Speaker 3: I'm great Tim as my son's twenty third birthday today,
Speaker 3: so I wish him a big birthday.
Speaker 2: Wish Max happy birthday. By the way, just quickly before
Speaker 2: we introduce my next guest, did you do do you
Speaker 2: do Valentine's Day?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I'm normally against it, but when you get up in
Speaker 2: the morning and your wife has left you a nice
Speaker 2: little gift with a lovely card Valentine's Day, I sort
Speaker 2: of thought. I said, look, yours is coming anyway, it's coming,
Speaker 2: so I had to succumb anyway. And also joining me,
Speaker 2: she is a media and screen guru Stalwarts perhaps, and
Speaker 2: also president of SPARTA, which is the she tell me
Speaker 2: what it is again, Produces Guild, Screen Producers Guild, and
Speaker 2: it is Irene Gardener. Hi, Ren, how are you hello there?
Speaker 4: I'm very well, thank you.
Speaker 2: Nice to see you. We were discussing before whether it's
Speaker 2: too late to stay happy New Year, and it is
Speaker 2: really because it is mid.
Speaker 4: February, I think it is. But the point was that
Speaker 4: I hadn't seen you yet.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, and it's yeah, nice to see
Speaker 2: you anyway. Guys. Hey, by the way, just quickly, I mean,
Speaker 2: just get to get a preview for the one roof.
Speaker 2: You know, do you have are you sort of do
Speaker 2: you have opinions on tactics and bidding for properties?
Speaker 3: And still one hundred percent depending on the client and
Speaker 3: if they really want to win it, I take over
Speaker 3: the billing for them, really gives them confidence.
Speaker 2: Aren't you working for the seller?
Speaker 3: Well I am, because I'm trying to get as much
Speaker 3: as possible. This is a buyer, so you know, of
Speaker 3: course I'm trying to get the most most money for
Speaker 3: this for the vendor.
Speaker 2: That's going to be an interesting chat for But anyway,
Speaker 2: guess what, you can't talk about it now that you've
Speaker 2: had your chance, You've had your brief screenshot of your opinion.
Speaker 2: So let's get into it. Anyway. The first top cab
Speaker 2: off the rank is as I've just dropped my papers.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, gosh, this one. So the bill introducing introduced
Speaker 2: by New Zealand first, which wants to have a referendum
Speaker 2: on fluoride, so they want to Winston Peters wants to
Speaker 2: put important public health measures like this, they want to
Speaker 2: He's playing the overreaching Wellington based bureaucrats card and says
Speaker 2: that people who oppose the bill are those that oppose democracy,
Speaker 2: and that these decisions around fluoride are a decision for
Speaker 2: each community in the form of their councils. I'll hold
Speaker 2: my opinion fire on that just for a second, but
Speaker 2: I'll start with you, Ireen.
Speaker 4: What do you reckon I'm not a great fan of referendums.
Speaker 4: They're actually I think the word is referender. But hey,
Speaker 4: let's not get all Grammary. The reason being that if
Speaker 4: they're about a specialist topic like health, medical science, and
Speaker 4: in fact even the Treaty of Waitangi, which you do
Speaker 4: need to have specialist historic knowledge and legal knowledge to do,
Speaker 4: I don't really think it's right that everybody votes on
Speaker 4: something where they just won't have the knowledge in the
Speaker 4: same way as you know, I mean, it's a silly example,
Speaker 4: but you know, you wouldn't expect people to vote on
Speaker 4: how to do brain surgery.
Speaker 2: No, but actually the yeah, and I think there is
Speaker 2: I think that Winston runs with the hairs enhuants with
Speaker 2: the hounds a bit on whether it's going to be
Speaker 2: the overall government having to say or your local community
Speaker 2: doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Luke Well, I'm all for the overall government looking after
Speaker 3: Florida and that sort of public health sector. And the
Speaker 3: reason is that just stops the red tape for all
Speaker 3: the small sort of city boroughs and so forth, councils
Speaker 3: and Floria.
Speaker 2: It's great for you to lenting tooths, okay exactly.
Speaker 3: And for our young young kids and our poor poverty kids,
Speaker 3: they need a backbone. And that's it in Florid and water.
Speaker 2: I mean, because there is the argument about I don't
Speaker 2: believe there's an argument about the science, but there will
Speaker 2: always be people who will want to have a crack
Speaker 2: at the science. But you look at christ it doesn't
Speaker 2: have fluoridation and it has the worst rates of child
Speaker 2: tooth decay in the country.
Speaker 4: I think the science is pretty pretty on the side
Speaker 4: of the Florid.
Speaker 2: I think we're the argument where people get confused is
Speaker 2: there's such a thing as too much of anything. And
Speaker 2: there are places in the world, such as in America,
Speaker 2: where the natural fluoride supply is so high, they reduce it.
Speaker 2: They don't eliminate it though. But here's the thing where
Speaker 2: I think Winston's been bit cute and well since he
Speaker 2: came into government, I've become much more of a fan
Speaker 2: because I probably had a fair amount of loathing for
Speaker 2: him in the way he politics. This is to me,
Speaker 2: this is campaigning Winston, who I don't like very much.
Speaker 2: But it is a strange argument to say let's throw
Speaker 2: the power back to your local communities, when in fact
Speaker 2: he is in central government and he would want the
Speaker 2: laws that he would pass to govern everyone. It's like
Speaker 2: saying let's throw it back to let's throw it back
Speaker 2: to each town as to how much tax you want
Speaker 2: to pay and when you get your super.
Speaker 4: Or if you're talking public health, you know, whether you're
Speaker 4: allowed to speed or wear a seatbelt. I mean, there's
Speaker 4: always things that some people don't like but that are
Speaker 4: for our good that it is up to the central
Speaker 4: government to mandate.
Speaker 2: I must have meatize. I'm always a bit nervous about
Speaker 2: these topics, only because you know, the fluoride thing is
Speaker 2: a bit of a you know.
Speaker 4: And look, if you really feel weird about it and
Speaker 4: don't want it. Just don't use the town water, you know,
Speaker 4: buy some water.
Speaker 2: I grew up in when where we didn't have fluoride
Speaker 2: in the water, and you have no teeth. No, my
Speaker 2: mum gave me a fluoride tablet to every morning. It
Speaker 2: was one of those most It's literally like eating a
Speaker 2: tiny piece of chalk. It was a tiny little pill
Speaker 2: and I never never thought a single thing about it
Speaker 2: until years and years later, I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I knew what I was taking along with my with
Speaker 2: the fizzy, colorful malt. What was it? Plur of it vitamin?
Speaker 2: I love the plur of it.
Speaker 3: I've had our olkle water for quite a long time.
Speaker 3: I've only got one filling, so it works. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean look, and the other thing is as well,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't just rely on fluoridation. In fact, one of the.
Speaker 4: Things teeth you can do your teeth mess.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: No, actually, there was one interesting bit of information I
Speaker 2: thought it's worth passing on. That I was when I
Speaker 2: was reading about the christ Church kids and they're decay.
Speaker 2: But one of the experts in to dental health said
Speaker 2: that one of the biggest problems for us, not just adults,
Speaker 2: but kids as well, is that we don't have regular
Speaker 2: meals and leave it there. We are more grazing regularly,
Speaker 2: and we're constantly introducing bacteria to our teeth. Whereas it
Speaker 2: used to be, Hey, kids, when you have when you
Speaker 2: have your lunch at school, eat an apple to finish
Speaker 2: with and rinse your mouth out. Whereas if you're constantly grazing,
Speaker 2: and that apparently is a problem, and that was news
Speaker 2: to me. Grazing is not good for your teeth.
Speaker 3: I like that. I don't like to graze either. I
Speaker 3: got my two meals a day and that's my lot too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what fasting? Are you fast fasting?
Speaker 2: I've always I keep on always having a slip of
Speaker 2: the tongue when I'm talking about intermittent fasting because I
Speaker 2: forget the yes sometimes and I'm wondering if intimate fasting
Speaker 2: leads to intimate farting. But anyway, so does that mean
Speaker 2: that you're having you're having an early dinner and breakfast
Speaker 2: or what? I don't need after seven? Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: don't eat before twelve. Wow, Okay, but.
Speaker 3: I have lots of water in between. Yeah, that's my lot.
Speaker 2: Excellent.
Speaker 3: Has it really worked?
Speaker 2: How long you've been learning for about four months. Oh wow,
Speaker 2: that's really actually you you do. I was thinking actually
Speaker 2: when you walked in and I thought you were looking
Speaker 2: pretty good there luk, So there you go. Anyway, let's
Speaker 2: move on to the other one. Now, this old chestnut,
Speaker 2: the potential for superannuation to me means tested, is one
Speaker 2: part of the conversation, but basically Finance Minister Nichola willis
Speaker 2: Is mentioned on news talks EB yesterday that the scheme
Speaker 2: for superannuation needs to be sustainable and a debate about
Speaker 2: age eligibility will need be needed eventually as well. People
Speaker 2: are saying raising the age makes sense. There are other
Speaker 2: people who are talking about me testing. It just seems
Speaker 2: to me to be one of those conversations. Irene that
Speaker 2: it's not going away. I do talk back all the time,
Speaker 2: and the number of times we've talked about this would
Speaker 2: be have to be two or three times a year.
Speaker 2: It pops up eventually, aren't we going to be making
Speaker 2: a change? Do you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really tricky one because I kind of
Speaker 4: I can sort of see it from all angles and yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it has to be sustainable and it's getting
Speaker 4: to the point where at some point, it may not
Speaker 4: be I think would I would probably lean less towards
Speaker 4: putting the age up and maybe more towards at least
Speaker 4: an element of means testing.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting one.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, to be fair, I'm relatively close
Speaker 4: to this, and so I'm voting against myself potentially here.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I sort of I think the danger of
Speaker 4: raising the ages. See, for someone like myself, who's you know,
Speaker 4: done desk type jobs, it would be no big deal
Speaker 4: to keep working. But you know, for a builder or
Speaker 4: a plumber who's wrecked their body, you can't really expect
Speaker 4: them to work past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is the usually the argument that comes up,
Speaker 2: and I think I think that that's a question about
Speaker 2: what would be the hardest sell. And I would have thought,
Speaker 2: just based on the talkback experience I've had with this,
Speaker 2: that that argument about of course different occupations and all that.
Speaker 2: I mean, that applies to people probably before the age
Speaker 2: of sixty five. But the one that I've had the
Speaker 2: most pushback on is I don't care what they say
Speaker 2: means testing. I've paid my Bliman taxes, I've contributed to society,
Speaker 2: and if you've got a means test me again for
Speaker 2: this and when there are other ways you're going to
Speaker 2: have to pay for things like aged care facilities and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, that's going to take your money anyway.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Luke, I'm all about raising the
Speaker 3: age and definitely not means testing. And I think everyone's like,
Speaker 3: do pay the taxes, so we should get to a
Speaker 3: point where we're going to get something back. But my
Speaker 3: point is if you care, if you are rich or
Speaker 3: you know, or you can afford to give it back
Speaker 3: or say no or opt out to it to say
Speaker 3: look I don't need it, put it back into this,
Speaker 3: or gi it to a charity, or give it to
Speaker 3: another organization that may need it. But means testing to
Speaker 3: me is look, if paid my taxes, I've done with
Speaker 3: sixty five years work.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think we also forget the retirement age. It
Speaker 2: has gone up over the course of history because we're
Speaker 2: all living longer. You just look at and you look
Speaker 2: at people. I think there was a time, maybe when
Speaker 2: I was growing up, when somebody who was in their
Speaker 2: sixties or seventy that was like, oh, they're getting old.
Speaker 2: But I see people who it's like, I mean's line
Speaker 2: I use all the time. But sixties the new fifty fifties,
Speaker 2: the new forty forties, the new thirty you know. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw the story last night
Speaker 2: about Christ's College and they had an old boy there
Speaker 2: who was one hundred and three, and it sounds like
Speaker 2: a joke when I said he didn't look at day
Speaker 2: over eighty. But he didn't look he looked amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's the thing. We are living longer. So isn't
Speaker 2: it a natural consequence? We can't fight against that age
Speaker 2: growing up? Irene, I'll throw that back at you.
Speaker 4: Well, that is true, and so yeah, it's tricky. I mean,
Speaker 4: just pick up on Luke's point about you know, maybe
Speaker 4: you don't means test it, but you do it and
Speaker 4: more of it. You know, if you don't need it,
Speaker 4: do something, give it back or don't take it, or
Speaker 4: do something with it. It's funny because you know, I
Speaker 4: think about that and you know whether or not I'll
Speaker 4: need it, and whether.
Speaker 2: You'll need, whether you're need whether you need super on.
Speaker 4: I would want to give it to people of my
Speaker 4: choice rather than the governments, which is kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, I think that that's where you and
Speaker 2: Luked are on the same page because I know people
Speaker 2: who will never need super but if it's there, they're like, well, actually,
Speaker 2: if that's my entitlement, i'll take it. But you know what,
Speaker 2: I'll make a decision as to what I do with it.
Speaker 2: If I want to give it to hospice, I'll give
Speaker 2: it to hospice. Because there comes a point where you're
Speaker 2: old enough, you've done your time as a taxpayer as
Speaker 2: a contributor, where I think you should be able to
Speaker 2: say I'm going to give this money mighty, or to
Speaker 2: my grandkids help them buy their first house, or it's
Speaker 2: right in the first home and a depods on the
Speaker 2: first home.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, so good good luck having that conversation. I say,
Speaker 2: just quickly before we go to the break, I did
Speaker 2: want to touch on that. So that's a pretty heavy topic.
Speaker 2: But I find it a little bit depressing what's going on,
Speaker 2: at least when it comes to resolving the war in
Speaker 2: Ukraine that Trump has picked up the phone to putin
Speaker 2: so far as Zelensky has been put out of the loop,
Speaker 2: and it looks like there's going to be this policy
Speaker 2: of appeasement. Have you followed this much, Iran?
Speaker 4: Yes, it's sort of a bit of a sinking heart. Really,
Speaker 4: I just really feel for Zelenski.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel like they basically, I mean, maybe
Speaker 2: it is realistic that you can't exactly put the borders
Speaker 2: back to where they were. But Vladimir Putin is an
Speaker 2: evil bastard. Pardon my friend. He's not a very nice man.
Speaker 4: He's just doesn't seem right, you know. And yet so
Speaker 4: I suppose sometimes you have to be pragmatic.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, but saving lives, I mean, you
Speaker 3: can get on with it. At some point. It's going
Speaker 3: to be a war for a long time. That's why
Speaker 3: I see it, is that what's the better evil? You know?
Speaker 2: Well, I guess you know that Europe will certainly be
Speaker 2: feeling the pressure to be up in its defense spending stuff,
Speaker 2: because they've said, they've they've been talk about that it
Speaker 2: shouldn't be like a Minsk three. I think there were
Speaker 2: after previous agreements where they simply paused at hostilities and
Speaker 2: Putin just took it as an excuse to regroup and
Speaker 2: then attack again a few years later. And that's what
Speaker 2: I think we'd all be worried about, isn't that exactly?
Speaker 3: As long as Ukraine gets NATO, I'd be happy.
Speaker 2: Well, that's not going to happen. It doesn't sounds like
Speaker 2: it doesn't. It's not going to happen anyway. And I
Speaker 2: avoided talking about ARIFK when we're talking about fluoride. So
Speaker 2: we'll just leave that one and we'll come back in
Speaker 2: just a moment. This is the panel on news Talk
Speaker 2: z B. My guests are Luke Dello and Irene Gardner.
Speaker 2: It's coming out to twenty two past three. Yes, welcome
Speaker 2: back to news Talk said B. Yes that that that.
Speaker 2: I've requested a little bit of led Zeppelin this morning.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I just I always discover
Speaker 2: music very late, and I'm just getting into led Zeppelin
Speaker 2: again because it was the sort of music soundtrack when
Speaker 2: I was growing up. My brothers used to to pump
Speaker 2: it out, and it's also familiar, but I haven't normally
Speaker 2: had it as my normal playlist. But there's also my
Speaker 2: producer's infants favorite favorite stuff led Zeppelin, so she's raising him.
Speaker 2: Well anyway, welcome back to the panel. I my name's
Speaker 2: Tim beveradge At. Luke Dallo and Irene Gardner are my guests,
Speaker 2: and let's move on to Well, we're sticking with a
Speaker 2: political theme, but something that's slightly quirkier. No Mackers, no
Speaker 2: McDonald's for Queenstown. So the commissioners have declined to grant
Speaker 2: consent from McDonald's restaurant to open in won Aca. So
Speaker 2: it was going to be a four hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: five square meter restaurant with a drive through at the
Speaker 2: one Aca Luggett Highway below Mount Iron, and of the
Speaker 2: residents were up in arms about it. They were concerned
Speaker 2: about the visual and esthetic impact on the town, litter
Speaker 2: and all that sort of thing. So McDonald's for the
Speaker 2: time being is gon burger no pun intended, Actually no
Speaker 2: pun intended. Its just popped out like that, Luke, what
Speaker 2: do you reckon?
Speaker 3: What did you get over yourself? Absolutely get over yourself.
Speaker 3: Just imagine the uproar of a carngo or a six
Speaker 3: story building was built on that properly you want, I
Speaker 3: could just go beside itself. But no, McDonald's is more
Speaker 3: of a restaurant, you know. It provides job, supports community,
Speaker 3: and it's good to the community. It's environmentally responsible as well.
Speaker 2: It's just the customers are not environmentally responsible because I mean,
Speaker 2: we all have that image of the McDonald's wrapper blow
Speaker 2: across the street, mind, just only because it's so clearly labeled.
Speaker 2: You notice it.
Speaker 3: What's marketing, isn't it. It's marketing spent all that. But hey,
Speaker 3: there's a McDonald's and whistler, get over yourself.
Speaker 2: There's a McDonald's in Paris.
Speaker 3: Correct, So but should there be Well.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing I'll throw you. I think, Well, now,
Speaker 2: let's get your opinion and see where it goes before
Speaker 2: I shoot it down. But you I'm not sure what.
Speaker 5: Iren is going to say, But I'm ah, I'm sort
Speaker 5: of I think the problem is that the site they
Speaker 5: picked is probably the wrong site for it.
Speaker 4: And you have to kind of go you know, that area.
Speaker 4: It is a tourist area. It has a certain look
Speaker 4: and character. So I can kind of understand why. Because
Speaker 4: the site they picked is in a particularly impactful place,
Speaker 4: I can understand it. So I've got a little bit
Speaker 4: more sympathy than my friend Luke here. Yeah, however, I
Speaker 4: kind of think you could have a McDonald's there, but
Speaker 4: just in a different place, a little bit better controlled.
Speaker 2: Maybe, you know, well, I mean, you can also design buildings.
Speaker 2: It's like the one in Paris. You hardly know it's there.
Speaker 2: There's a tiny little Cyncers have rules in Paris about
Speaker 2: with signage, so there's no big building. Yeah, there's no
Speaker 2: massive sort of I mean, it's not just one mcnonald's
Speaker 2: in Paris. I'm sure there's more, but I saw one
Speaker 2: but almost didn't notice it. It's interesting they have Macaron's
Speaker 2: in the Paris McDonald's as well. In fact, they've got
Speaker 2: quite a few Paris well. Of course that's where the
Speaker 2: French fries come from, thank you very much. I look,
Speaker 2: here's here's the here's the thing. I think that it's
Speaker 2: too easy to go on McDonald's as if McDonald's is
Speaker 2: the villain and people go, oh, well, big Max, you know,
Speaker 2: they're not healthy and all that sort of stuff, when
Speaker 2: in fact McDonald's can easily say, as any restaurant can say,
Speaker 2: you can have the burger, or in fact, you actually
Speaker 2: can have a salad, you can have all sorts of
Speaker 2: healthy options if you want. But no one does that
Speaker 2: and that's the consumer's choice. But to me, you know,
Speaker 2: so one, okay, here we go. What have they got?
Speaker 2: Four vape stores? Good on them? And what the headlines
Speaker 2: were over the summer is that hundreds of teenagers like
Speaker 2: to congregate and punch each other's lights out, to the
Speaker 2: extent that three were not done conscious. I think, so
Speaker 2: that's all right, But heaven forbid we have McDonald's because
Speaker 2: we're not like those sluts in Queenstown who have every
Speaker 2: commercial business. It's I'm with you, get over yourselves.
Speaker 3: It's pathetic, absolutely, And I'll tell you one thing about McDonald's,
Speaker 3: you know, I've been in hospitality for twenty odd years,
Speaker 3: is that if I see a McDonald's employee in one
Speaker 3: of the cvs, I grab them. They have the best
Speaker 3: training and they really are a good company.
Speaker 2: Actually was Chris Luxon who had a job at his
Speaker 2: first job. His LinkedIn profile has all his jobs he's
Speaker 2: ever had, including being a bell hop or what's the one,
Speaker 2: a porter at the Crown Plas or something good at
Speaker 2: that And I think it wasn't McDonald's initially. But you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, is it too easy because any
Speaker 2: bigger I know what you mean.
Speaker 4: It's quite snobby because they do have other fast food outlets.
Speaker 2: Well, if you've got a fish and chip shop, way
Speaker 2: up the amount of saturated fact and a couple of
Speaker 2: pieces of fish and some chips pizza. Pizza. There you go.
Speaker 4: Now you maybe want pizze?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh, anyway, look, I know it's easy to beat
Speaker 2: up and want it. Can I do get their point
Speaker 2: of difference why they feel that that's how they identify
Speaker 2: because they have always been the sort of more even
Speaker 2: if it's shardenay drinking hippies, but they do have that
Speaker 2: sort of more hippish sort of life. We're the real
Speaker 2: mountain people. We've got a much more expansive view. Look
Speaker 2: at that terrible commercial place Queenstown. Oh, we don't go
Speaker 2: to Queenstown. That's a terrible place. And there is this
Speaker 2: attitudinal difference. I can understand where they're coming from, but
Speaker 2: you know, you get over yourself. Thanks for finishing my
Speaker 2: I realized that the word sluttie was quite a strong word,
Speaker 2: wasn't it. But I'm not using it in the province
Speaker 2: of commercial sort of and I apologize for that, by
Speaker 2: the way, just in case that rattle people's rattle people's
Speaker 2: jewelry a little bit too much. Now, this one, this
Speaker 2: is probably right up your up your sort of playing
Speaker 2: field here, Irene. With the government proposing to level the
Speaker 2: media playing field with five proposals, and it's basically helping
Speaker 2: local media compete, I guess with what's coming in from
Speaker 2: overseas and the international social media. So there's this Ministry
Speaker 2: of Culture and Heritage consultation document to modernize New Zealand's
Speaker 2: media legislation regulations. And this is the bit that I
Speaker 2: think I started to tune out straight away. Paul Goldsmith said,
Speaker 2: there continues to be a hunger and thirst in an
Speaker 2: appetite for local stories and local material and local news.
Speaker 2: And when I look at it the news, I see
Speaker 2: nothing but local stuff. In the world stuff is pushed
Speaker 2: to the back. But what do you make of this proposal?
Speaker 2: If you could flesh it out for us, maybe.
Speaker 4: It's a good document. Actually, my screen industry colleagues are
Speaker 4: really happy with it. It shows a really good understanding
Speaker 4: of the challenges that we've been facing and the proposals,
Speaker 4: and they are any proposals at the stage are good
Speaker 4: and sensible. I mean, most of the challenges that both
Speaker 4: journalism and local production are facing at the moment are
Speaker 4: because of international big tech. In local productions case, it's
Speaker 4: the streamers coming here paying no tax, contributing nothing, using
Speaker 4: our broadband, taking our viewers, and it's really hurt. We
Speaker 4: just can't earn the advertising revenue that we used to
Speaker 4: which supported.
Speaker 2: Do you think any of these? Is there one that
Speaker 2: stands out will make a difference.
Speaker 4: I'm just going to say there is one that is
Speaker 4: about that, and it is about regulating the streamers so
Speaker 4: that they contribute to local production. And we're in my
Speaker 4: Sparta president hat. We have been lobbying about that for
Speaker 4: probably about three years, so we were absolutely thrilled to
Speaker 4: see it included. And now it's just a case of
Speaker 4: working it out so that it works, doesn't have unintended consequences,
Speaker 4: and happens as quickly and efficiently as possible.
Speaker 2: I see there's a proposal there too. It does look practical.
Speaker 2: From ensuring smart TVs have New Zealand apps pre installed
Speaker 2: and displayed prominently. I go through the apps sometimes the
Speaker 2: app menu, look on my TV and go what other
Speaker 2: apps are there? Now, there's a bunch of things I
Speaker 2: don't recognize, and I don't think that's going to make
Speaker 2: That's not going to make a particular amount of difference.
Speaker 3: Is that No, it's not going to make any difference
Speaker 3: at all. But I'm all for local news and local
Speaker 3: productions of our culture. And so forth. More money should
Speaker 3: go into our locals, our arts and both the vocal arts.
Speaker 3: Like for you Tim a little bit of money.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that I took the right boxes for that.
Speaker 2: We actually had it on that. Actually, the thing about
Speaker 2: funding the arts and film it is an awkward one
Speaker 2: because I don't think New Zealand is big enough for people,
Speaker 2: regardless of what sort of arts form you're in, to
Speaker 2: be able to take too much of your own risks.
Speaker 2: So I'm a bit conflicted with public money going into
Speaker 2: the arts because usually it ends up on the desk
Speaker 2: of CREWD of New Zealand and you've got someone doing,
Speaker 2: you know, getting thousands of dollars to do a performance
Speaker 2: where they're I don't know, singing whale songs to the
Speaker 2: accompany bit of a ukulele. Oh no, I'm making that up.
Speaker 2: But it sounds believable.
Speaker 4: That sounds quite nice, quite lovely. Could I just say
Speaker 4: at this point that screen is completely different because we
Speaker 4: actually are a four billion dollar industry for New Zealand,
Speaker 4: and yes a lot of that is international is working here,
Speaker 4: but you don't get that but without the domestic bit.
Speaker 4: So I just don't want screen lumped in there no.
Speaker 4: But to your arts comment, I think it's great that
Speaker 4: we fund the arts, but I think you have a
Speaker 4: fair point in what you're saying about. You know, is
Speaker 4: it a bit unfairly targeted so that someone like yourself historically.
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about. Now I've moved on.
Speaker 4: Here's a box of tissues categories, you know, And is
Speaker 4: that right?
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I support funding of the major bodies
Speaker 2: like the ballet and the and thea in the Court
Speaker 2: Theater and things like that in the opera and the
Speaker 2: something else music New Zealand.
Speaker 4: We wouldn't exist without our creative New Zealand and.
Speaker 2: So that's why I think. But I think you do
Speaker 2: it at that level and then the rest sorts itself
Speaker 2: out because those organizations are still generally trying to reach
Speaker 2: an audience, with the odd exception possibly from time to time. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let's move on, shall we to to? In fact, let's
Speaker 2: see what We'll move on to a break and come
Speaker 2: back in just a moment and see which of you
Speaker 2: two have fallen for the fraud, in my opinion, which
Speaker 2: is taking finerletprene to try and cure your cold, which
Speaker 2: is apparently completely useless and Johnson and Johnson being sued,
Speaker 2: and we'll see what you think about that. After the break.
Speaker 2: It's twenty four minutes to four and welcome back to
Speaker 2: the Week in Collective. This is the panel. My guests,
Speaker 2: Irene Gardner and Luke Dallo. Now, guys, this class action
Speaker 2: has been launched against Johnson and Johnson's because when they
Speaker 2: took pseudo effigerine off the counters, the pharmaceutical companies all
Speaker 2: put this product called fennilephrine in cold and flu medicine.
Speaker 2: It had the same branding, whether it branding, whether it
Speaker 2: be I don't know what the names were, quadrill or whatever,
Speaker 2: but anyway, they were marketed as a nasal decongestant. And
Speaker 2: I read this quite a while ago that they've actually ineffective,
Speaker 2: and I'd heard that from the GP Donkeys years ago.
Speaker 2: But they plugged the stuff and you're simply taking it
Speaker 2: the best. You'd say it was a placebo because apparently
Speaker 2: the when you take the drugs orally, they just don't work.
Speaker 2: So Bengo wasn't any surprise, but the fact that someone's
Speaker 2: sewing them, I thought, good on you. You have you
Speaker 2: your cold and flu meds and sort of taker Irene.
Speaker 4: I occasionally, I'm quite a hardy soul, and I don't
Speaker 4: actually get sick with colds churbably often famous.
Speaker 2: Last words, it's next work, next time, what happened to
Speaker 2: Irene and sick last time?
Speaker 4: But I didn't know this, and I was amazed when
Speaker 4: I read the list of products and that people have
Speaker 4: been because and I look, because I do. I do
Speaker 4: get cough syrup, because I do. When I do get
Speaker 4: a cold, I tend to get a very very bad cough.
Speaker 4: And so I looked at the cough syrups, thinking, oh
Speaker 4: my goodness, I'll have been being duped, because I was
Speaker 4: thinking maybe my cofser it was benad Or, but no,
Speaker 4: my COFs A it was Robotuss. And I checked the
Speaker 4: bathroom cupboard.
Speaker 2: Well that's that's all right, there'll probably be plenty of
Speaker 2: GPS going out. She's wasting her time with the with
Speaker 2: the cough stuff. I don't know, I don't I think
Speaker 2: it's whatever for help though, when.
Speaker 4: You're in the middle of the night you can't sleep
Speaker 4: because you're going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but a honey and lemon as well, whiskey and honey.
Speaker 3: Guy over the whiskin honey whiskin honey, nice and hot,
Speaker 3: you know, get it going gets nice and soothing down there.
Speaker 3: But throw the book at Johnson and Johnson are an
Speaker 3: eighty billion dollar company, turnover. Throw the book at them
Speaker 3: and had Can I actually get a refund on this
Speaker 3: because I've actually bought. I'm in the Consumer's Guarantees Act,
Speaker 3: you know, you can I actually get back because it
Speaker 3: didn't work?
Speaker 2: I actually don't know. To be honest, life's too short
Speaker 2: to worry about whether I bought that stuff. I think
Speaker 2: we had one packet, and I might have said to
Speaker 2: my wife that I shouldn't have mentioned the article said this,
Speaker 2: by the way, this stuff's useless even don't even bother
Speaker 2: with it. My biggest beak was that they took pseudo
Speaker 2: evergery off the shelves, which is vaguely effective or whatever,
Speaker 2: but because people were you know, ram rating and stealing
Speaker 2: it to make pea and all that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: But it seems that we don't hear so many stories
Speaker 2: about people because they're getting they're successful at importing it illegally,
Speaker 2: aren't They.
Speaker 4: Didn't act bring it back?
Speaker 2: I think, so, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was all for
Speaker 2: the old pseudo effort RNK. Anyway, look they do. Say,
Speaker 2: there's the law firm JG. A. Sadler's urging millions of
Speaker 2: New Zealanders who have purchased affected products to register their claim.
Speaker 2: I mean, how do you do that? Would they say,
Speaker 2: please provide your receipts or something.
Speaker 3: Or I don't know of it.
Speaker 2: Anyway, look good on them for taking action, making it
Speaker 2: a bit uncomfortable for the pharmaceutical companies on that score
Speaker 2: for sure. Hey, by the way, just on something a
Speaker 2: little bit more fun, did you guys follow the Dame
Speaker 2: Edna the Barry Humphreys auction because Mike Mike Costing a
Speaker 2: breakfast hoster, I shouldn't have to describe him as their
Speaker 2: breakfast host because, you know, I think people he actually
Speaker 2: had a few instructions to put a few bids on.
Speaker 2: I think quite a number of items things that maybe
Speaker 2: have gone would have maybe have gone for one thousand
Speaker 2: euro or five hundred or fifteen hundred. And I just
Speaker 2: caught it in passing, but I think he was talking
Speaker 2: about something that was supposed to be fifteen hundred euro
Speaker 2: went for ten thousand, and da As glasses one particular
Speaker 2: pair auction for thirty seven thousand, eight hundred euros you've
Speaker 2: really got one of the is that being brought because
Speaker 2: someone loves them or they think it's going to be
Speaker 2: worth more? What do you think, Luke?
Speaker 3: I just think someone's brought them because someone loves them.
Speaker 3: And what was my going to do with the glasses?
Speaker 3: Was going to wear them? Put?
Speaker 2: I don't think he was. I don't think he was
Speaker 2: in for the glasses. I think there was a there
Speaker 2: was a there was a cat. No, there was a cartoon.
Speaker 2: Because I think I heard Kate worrying about you know,
Speaker 2: it's all very nice, but she's quite glad he didn't
Speaker 2: win because she would have had that picture staring at her.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it was you know, like a meter
Speaker 2: by a meter or something, but what.
Speaker 3: A great auction. I mean I was following it throughout
Speaker 3: the morning, and there was some stuff that, like I was,
Speaker 3: reserves were just like fIF like you say, fifteen hundred
Speaker 3: bucks and just went wimbar and always that money gone
Speaker 3: to the estate or to a charity or to.
Speaker 2: Actually I should know the answer for that, but it's
Speaker 2: not immediately apparent right now, but I think anyways, the sale,
Speaker 2: look how much the sale raised four four million, sorry,
Speaker 2: six hundred and twenty seven thousand pounds. Should I say pounds,
Speaker 2: I said europe pounds. Even more characters like Dame Edna.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is an amazing character when you think
Speaker 2: of he wasn't the only character of created. My favorite
Speaker 2: was Sir Les Patterson because he was just so outrageous.
Speaker 2: I remember he was a fictitious character. I read it
Speaker 2: was the dribbling and the salivating and revolting. I just
Speaker 2: remember the famous appearance on Parkinson where he has an
Speaker 2: appendage which were as part of his costume, which was
Speaker 2: ludely suggestive of someone being quite happy. And obviously you'd
Speaker 2: hear the audience and absolute fits as Les Patterson would
Speaker 2: have just whatever it was, and the camera would pan
Speaker 2: write and so there was no chance of something that
Speaker 2: they'd have to apologize for.
Speaker 3: Marge was my favorite.
Speaker 2: Oh who was famously born New Zealand. Wasn't he the
Speaker 2: New Zealand Bridesmaids or New Zealand bridesmaid?
Speaker 3: That's right? She was just a little whip doll, wouldn't she.
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I saw an interview with her. How
Speaker 2: many years? Yes? Was she a while with him?
Speaker 4: For brilliant? I'm guessing the glasses that went for the
Speaker 4: huge amount, Probably the really iconic ones with the big
Speaker 4: wing tips.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I can.
Speaker 4: Kind of see why they would go for so much.
Speaker 2: I wonder how many people initially thought that day Maiden
Speaker 2: it was a real person, or did everyone know it
Speaker 2: was a joke.
Speaker 3: No, I thought it was a real person.
Speaker 2: You would have been five years old, correct, and probably
Speaker 2: you're a fair mark.
Speaker 4: I was a little bit older. And no, I never
Speaker 4: thought Dave Medna was a woman.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not sure, you know what. I can't remember,
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure I wasn't on the joke. But
Speaker 2: an amazing creation anyway.
Speaker 4: It always does make me laugh when people can get
Speaker 4: bent out of shape about the drag queens and you know,
Speaker 4: writing and reading in the library, and you kind of think,
Speaker 4: didn't you all grow up watching David Well.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think actually British humor has always been ahead
Speaker 2: of its time in terms of certain stereotypes which some
Speaker 2: people may have been uncomfortable with, but England seem to
Speaker 2: embrace them. You know that the the overly camp characters
Speaker 2: who were just nobody had it. This is before people
Speaker 2: were as open about acknowledging different sexualities. But British humour
Speaker 2: sort of built whole genres of humor based on camp,
Speaker 2: comedy and Loo and are you being served? I still
Speaker 2: remember mister Humphreys. Humphreys, I'm free anyway.
Speaker 3: Little Britain. That was another one. I'm the only gay
Speaker 3: in the town, in the village.
Speaker 2: In the village, I never watched Little Britain.
Speaker 3: Actually watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go watch some some old
Speaker 2: Barry Humphrey stuff. At some stage, I think, look, we're
Speaker 2: going to say quick break, we'll come back. This is
Speaker 2: the panel on news Talk said be Weekend Collective. My
Speaker 2: guests are Luke Dalo and Iren Garner on tim Beverage.
Speaker 2: Will be back in just a tick their teen minutes
Speaker 2: to four. Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. My
Speaker 2: panelists to Luke Dallo and Irene Gardner. Now this isn't
Speaker 2: a quirky little story, guys. So a guy who has
Speaker 2: got a ticket under his windscreen wiper of his not
Speaker 2: that it's relevant, his tired highluks and obviously he was
Speaker 2: trying to keep a large ute out of people's way.
Speaker 2: So he parked two wheels on the boom outside his house,
Speaker 2: something he'd done for four years with no trouble and
Speaker 2: got a fine. He got a four forty dollar fine
Speaker 2: for it. It does seem does seem a little peculiar,
Speaker 2: even though I don't know is the reason. I would
Speaker 2: have thought, if you're parking with a couple of wheels
Speaker 2: on the boom, simply you're doing your bit to try
Speaker 2: and be less absor deructive to the traffic on the road.
Speaker 2: I'll throw this to you iren first, because yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Think if it's the bit of burm that's by your
Speaker 4: house and you're parked considerately, I would have no issue
Speaker 4: with that. And I think it is a bit strange
Speaker 4: that he got this fine. But then it's hard to
Speaker 4: know with these things, because there is some talk that
Speaker 4: they'd sort of tried to talk to him about it,
Speaker 4: and I don't know, maybe he wasn't one hundred percent cooperative,
Speaker 4: so there might be like a cup besides.
Speaker 3: To this one.
Speaker 2: It's not like getting in the way of council mowing services,
Speaker 2: aren't you, because we're going to mow our own burms,
Speaker 2: which I still feel slightly strange about considering this some
Speaker 2: beautiful berms, and there are others that have been turned
Speaker 2: into vegetable.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can sort of see why they have
Speaker 4: the rule, because you wouldn't want just randomly everybody parking
Speaker 4: on the boom, would you. But she feels like one
Speaker 4: of those rules where this should be just a little
Speaker 4: bit of latitude.
Speaker 2: It is a funny one, isn't. Because you can all
Speaker 2: imagine there are big times where you go, there's plenty
Speaker 2: of room on the street, just park on the street.
Speaker 2: And then you'd be someone who decides to park three
Speaker 2: cars on the berm, and I'd imagine going, well, hang on,
Speaker 2: it's not really a parking spot, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: We can all imagine unreasonable, Babe, you can't. We look,
Speaker 2: but I'm you look like you're champing at the bit
Speaker 2: for this one.
Speaker 3: I just think, hey, look, I look after my boom.
Speaker 3: That is my boom. Yeah, I'll park on it a lot,
Speaker 3: as long as it's clear from pedestrians, as long as
Speaker 3: it's safe. I'll pack my truck on the boom all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, somebody, If you park in someone's driveway
Speaker 2: but you leave the footpath free, they can still ticket
Speaker 2: you for that.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 2: They've been clamping down and there was a story about
Speaker 2: this a week or two ago. I think wasn't it
Speaker 2: heap to me?
Speaker 3: Actually?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 3: So? I was packed in my own driveway and they
Speaker 3: gave me a ticket wrong, and it's like going into
Speaker 3: my house.
Speaker 2: Well, you weren't obstructing the footpath, No, I think.
Speaker 4: If you pass, if you pack yourself in and you
Speaker 4: don't fit the footpath, that seems crazy to me. But
Speaker 4: I know technically they can tick at you.
Speaker 3: But just looking for money, aren't they.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, how insufferable did you scoot?
Speaker 4: No use the way Way Express also known as my legs?
Speaker 1: Well done?
Speaker 3: Oh that's right.
Speaker 2: You just down the hell, aren't you. Yeah, I would
Speaker 2: be impressed if you'd come from re mirror or something.
Speaker 2: Why not lovely? Well it was a little bit, hey,
Speaker 2: just on the bureaucracy. I did love this story. It's
Speaker 2: not like it's a contentious story or anything. But for
Speaker 2: years there were officials in the Czech Republic had been
Speaker 2: pushing a damn project to protect a river south of Prague.
Speaker 2: So they wanted to damn it so they could protect
Speaker 2: some critically endangered species, and they kept it, kept on
Speaker 2: getting dragged out. It was ham strung by land negotiations,
Speaker 2: and then they left it so long that actually a
Speaker 2: group of beavers made a damn for them and actually
Speaker 2: built the dam themselves, and they weren't even in on
Speaker 2: the process. And I just love the fact. One I
Speaker 2: love beavers, and it's it's just the idea of I mean,
Speaker 2: they I wonder if we should introduce them here to
Speaker 2: build a few dams. But it's a great story, isn't.
Speaker 3: It, Luke. I think it's perfect example of just getting
Speaker 3: stuff getting stuff done. You know, the beavers know what
Speaker 3: they're doing, take lessons from the Beaver's Auckland City and
Speaker 3: the government, and they're just taking action on and adapt
Speaker 3: into the environment. And do you just imagine, like you
Speaker 3: said before their tim what if we introduced beavers here
Speaker 3: and the.
Speaker 2: Accidentally fell. But actually, one, I think beavers are amazing animals.
Speaker 2: It blows me away that without you know, what they
Speaker 2: can construct in their environment. And if you go inside
Speaker 2: a beaver's damn, as I've watched on wildlife documentaries, that's
Speaker 2: the scale of some of these things, and just that
Speaker 2: nature did it. But they are so cute. You are
Speaker 2: you a found of beaver? Lovely?
Speaker 4: But I don't think we can certainly just import a
Speaker 4: whole lot of beavers to New Zealand.
Speaker 2: But maybe we should. We could import them where there's
Speaker 2: too many pine trees sort of in the wrong place,
Speaker 2: the wilding pines. Just release some beavers.
Speaker 3: What they get the fluorid from?
Speaker 4: Oh goodness, do you think do you think we could
Speaker 4: train up the possums to do something useful?
Speaker 2: We should just train possums to find someone who's hunting
Speaker 2: and stand in front of them and go shoot me,
Speaker 2: and that would be the best thing.
Speaker 3: Put blocks for trucks.
Speaker 2: Anyway, But it's a great story. In fact, it makes
Speaker 2: me want to go and track down some wildlife documentaries
Speaker 2: and just watch the process of beaver's building a dam
Speaker 2: because it is quite phenomenal. Anyway. So anyway, Hey, by
Speaker 2: the way, how's the property market going for you, Luke.
Speaker 3: No, it's great, it's going really good. Actually, it's really
Speaker 3: lifted up this year, definitely from last more inquiry. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're onto it now. So the property market is definitely
Speaker 3: coming back.
Speaker 2: So I guess for you, you just want to see
Speaker 2: properties being exchanged. You're not so much worried about whether
Speaker 2: it's going to grow or not, because I'm a little
Speaker 2: bit pessimistic about it.
Speaker 3: But exactly all you want is turnover, and we're not
Speaker 3: getting the higher prices or back of the twenty twenties,
Speaker 3: But we just want turnover and confidence in the market
Speaker 3: that they can put the house in the market and
Speaker 3: sell it.
Speaker 2: That's what we want and what's keeping you out our
Speaker 2: mischief at the moment irene with the screen production and
Speaker 2: all that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: We just talked about it, really because that's been our
Speaker 4: big lobbying point, has been regulating the streamers. But can
Speaker 4: I talk about something completely different?
Speaker 2: Yes, just quickly, we've got one minute before say goodbye.
Speaker 4: I played Zepp song before, and I'm not a big
Speaker 4: lead Zep fan, but I absolutely love that intro to
Speaker 4: that song. But have you seen on YouTube the little
Speaker 4: thing that someone's made of the dancing kittens with little
Speaker 4: Viking helmets on dancing.
Speaker 2: No, I've missed that one.
Speaker 4: You must look it out on YouTube. It is the
Speaker 4: funniest thing, the little Viking.
Speaker 2: I just remembered that I was listening to something. I
Speaker 2: can't mean what. It was a whole lot of love
Speaker 2: or something, and there's an instrumental, but there was you
Speaker 2: might remember the young ones and oh I haven't got time.
Speaker 2: Oh my godness, I thought wait a minute to go,
Speaker 2: but I have to save that for next time. I
Speaker 2: wonder if radio sho Helena Sullivan is next. News talk
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