1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, welcome along to the Unnamed Podcast for Tuesday, 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: the nineteenth of November twenty twenty four. Ruters here, Morgan 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: pen Is here as well. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 3: He really knows how to get me going with the song. Ah, 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 3: and my body just starts thrusting. 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm doing a thrust under the desk. 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: Is it the baseline you reckon? Yeah? 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: Something in that. 10 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: It's like you're singing along but with your pelvis. 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: Hey, Morgan, apparently you got growled out for sexualizing men. 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 3: I did. 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: I did lumberjacks. 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 3: Oh my god. You know. Well, here's the thing, right, 15 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 3: I'm a sex educator. I'm a sex therapist. So I 16 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 3: use my Instagram as a platform to bring those things 17 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: into the light spread sex positivity. So I often share 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 3: images of bodies and different parts of the bodies just 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: to kind of look at it like art. And you know, 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: sometimes and I sometimes call them Friday treats. Is I 21 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: will check on my algorithm that's got a lot of 22 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 3: men chopping wood, and then they must get quite hot 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 3: so they take their top off, which I think that's fine. 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 3: Sometimes there's some cooks and I don't know they've lost 25 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: their shirt or something that they've still got like an apron. 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: On well cooks them like chefs in a kitchen. 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: Yeah to yes, I feel like you could get a 28 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: fat splatter exactly. But you know, when you're moving quite 29 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 3: slow and central, I think it's quite safe. And then 30 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 3: you know, of course he's cowboys, you know, and it's 31 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 3: obviously quite hot and dusty, so it makes sense to 32 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: have as little clothes as possible. And firemen, you know, 33 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: like anyways, I think what we're saying, sir, I love 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: capable men. Yeah, and I like to share that. 35 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, who doesn't love capable men? That's what 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: I would say. I mean, there must be people out 37 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: there who got some kind of kink for an uncapable man, 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: you know, for men who just aren't good at anything, 39 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: and that really turns someone on, just the fact that 40 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: this person's just really really useless at everything. 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: And I'm pleased because there is someone for everyone, isn't there. 42 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you're right. I think there's far 43 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: less of the people who are attracted to uncapable men 44 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 2: than capable men. 45 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I want to I want to celebrate these men, 46 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: you know. 47 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: I think good on you, the firefighters calendar is an 48 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: interesting one. I think there's a new one that's just 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: out now. 50 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 3: Yes, they've teamed up with November. Actually. And the other 51 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: day I saw these three burly hot men at reception 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: here and I just walked over there. Something in my 53 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: loins pulled me over to These men had muscles and 54 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: one was holding an axe, and I said, Oh, what 55 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: are you guys doing? And they're like, oh, we're here 56 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: to talk about our calendar. Oh you've done a calendar. 57 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: And they're like, yeah, we're fine. And I was like, oh, 58 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 3: there was a puddle. 59 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: You know, the Firefighter calendar to help them. Now, it's 60 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: been going for some time, and I mean it's been 61 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: going for probably I'm going to say twenty five years. Really, yeah, 62 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 2: I reckon twenty five years. I was a kid. I 63 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, since oh, since we were sort of 64 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: in late teens maybe early early twenties. And the rigs 65 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 2: have changed a little bit over these. I mean back 66 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: in the early days of the Firefighters Calendar, you had 67 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: some you know, some solid working rigs. Yes, but there 68 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: wasn't the gym culture that there is now. 69 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: Oh they're a bit softer in their bodies. 70 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And there wasn't the nutrition knowledge that there is now? 71 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 2: Gotcha because I checked out the most recent calendar, the 72 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: most recent firefighters calendar, and it's like, wow, these dudes 73 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: like Chippendale's. 74 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: Absolutely they did. They look like strippers. 75 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing how that's changed, you know, it's it's 76 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: changed massively. I guess in terms of a profession, is 77 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: there a profession where you have more time to go 78 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: to the gym or not? I mean, if you're I 79 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: imagine that they've got gyms inside of the fire stations. 80 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: I know a police officer and they've got a gym there, 81 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: and that's part of their part of their stick, is 82 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: that they'll go to the gym all the time. 83 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think even more so in a firefighting role 84 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: because you're waiting for a fire. Yeah, so it's not 85 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: like you're on a shift and your shift is waiting 86 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: for a fire. And if you're there and you're pumping 87 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: tin waiting for a fire, you could be pumping a 88 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: lot of tin. Yeah. 89 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: Imagine if we were doing weights in between the ads. 90 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: Yes. Well, a while back, mat he thinktually started an 91 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 2: initiative to start doing weights inside on company time because 92 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: he had an idea. He thought that it would be 93 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: funny to well, not funny, he thought that it was 94 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: actually a really really good use of time to do 95 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 2: a workout while we were actually, you know, doing the show, 96 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: because of course there's time in the in the songs. 97 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 3: How did that go? 98 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: Well? I mean, look at look at him, look at it. 99 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen this, sorry recently, but 100 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: it went very very well, you know, struggling to put 101 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: on weight in the ass. But apart from that, see 102 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: Rudor does a little workout in the morning date you're 103 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 2: route it before we come in. 104 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: Well, I've actually started just doing work out at home 105 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: because I'm sick getting up at ten pass three in 106 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: the morning. I'm giving myself a sleep until accord it 107 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: to four now. Sorry, I'm just doing weights. 108 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: Come off. 109 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: Have you heard of twenty one? So you do like 110 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: seven down there, and then do seven in the upper 111 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: and then you do full seven and that's twenty one. 112 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: How heavy is that dumbled there that you've got? 113 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: This is ten pound each size? 114 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: What's that? 115 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, twelve kilos something like that. Obviously very 116 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: heavy bar obviously clearly yeah, I don't know. It feels 117 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: pretty good that it's like a good weight. 118 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: That yeah, sure, because you fil you look like struggling. 119 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: But then you could also do you could do squats. 120 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: But if it look easeful, it's not so. 121 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: I reckon, that's not super I think it's pretty heavy. 122 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: I now, now that's bullshit. 123 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: You reckon. 124 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: It's bullshit, man, you're going to do the conversion pounds. 125 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: It's not twenty pounds on pounds and I was just 126 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: gonna time it kg. 127 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: Nine point I see on nine. But obviously the bell 128 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: of that dumb bell, the bar, the bar is quite heavy. Probably, yeah, definitely, 129 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: I reckon, Like you could do some overhead stuff. That's 130 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: quite good for him. That's quite good for while you're 131 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: on the radio and you can kick talking. 132 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: Hang on, like you just whipped out of the studio 133 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: picked that up. Where where is this kept and for 134 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: what purpose? 135 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: Well, because I have been coming in about four am 136 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 1: in the morning and doing a workout in studio. 137 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: B oh my god, is this true? 138 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: Is true? 139 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 3: Humiliating? 140 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: This is humiliating. 141 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: This is the safety issue. 142 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: Just exercise, this is what this is what Rudy does. 143 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: He does a little work out here in the mornings. Yeah, 144 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 2: he gets a bit of a do you get a 145 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: sweet guy? Oh? 146 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: Quite a good beat on, but sometimes as well finish 147 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: it off with a nice lie down on my shark. 148 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: He mat while listening to wim Hoff do some guided breathing. 149 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: This is a stageous. 150 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: This is all before we come in. 151 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, generally wrap it up at about four forty am. 152 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: Can we just take a break and come back in 153 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: a moment. I think we need to take a break. 154 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: I need a breath. 155 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 2: And we're back. So yeah, we does the workouts. Sometimes 156 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: you come in it smells like a sweat lodge in then. 157 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: Only sometimes never see this. 158 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: Well that's the idea. That's why I do it early 159 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: because I don't want people to see it. 160 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: Have you guys ever done a sweet lodge? Yeah? No, 161 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: oh well Morgan, has I've done a sweet lodge? 162 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? Was it life changing? 163 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: I hated it. 164 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 3: We knewed with other men. 165 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that wasn't the bit that I was because I 166 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: went to boarding school, so I wasn't so worried about 167 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: the mob the men. Although, to be honest, there's nude 168 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: with other men that you know or boys in my situation, 169 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: that you know, and then there's then and that you 170 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: know and then there's nude with men called running waters 171 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: and you know, flowing ball and things like that, and 172 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: then also people making weird noises in the dark and 173 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: a tp that's really really hot and you can't see 174 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: anything and you can feel someone's sweety arm beside you 175 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: and stuff. I had to get out, and that was 176 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: very much found upon that I had to exit because 177 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: I was taken there by the old havevo by Mikey 178 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 2: have It, who was going to the sweat Lodge, and 179 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: he goes, oh, I'm going to Sweet Lodge, you can, 180 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,599 Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm not really. He goes, oh, I 181 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: come around in ten minutes. Next thing you know, he's 182 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 2: around at my house probably about half an hour later, 183 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: and he's he's taken me out to Riverhead Forest and 184 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: there's all these blessings going on and people making these 185 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 2: noises and they're getting stones and they putting them and 186 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: I was like, this isn't at the time. I'm probably 187 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: more comfortable with it now. At the time, I would 188 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: have been twenty one. 189 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: Okay for a twenty one year old, wasn't. 190 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 2: I wasn't up for it. 191 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: You do have to be very open minded and willing 192 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 3: to receive all the weirdness that happens in those spaces. 193 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 3: There was a lot of bush in mind and a 194 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: lot of chanting. 195 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was some chanting in mind too, and there 196 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: was a lot and there was a stick that was 197 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 2: being passed around, and people were talking about their sort 198 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: of ex partners, and there was a lot of a 199 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 2: lot of healing going on. I think, okay, and I 200 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: didn't really have anything that I needed to heal at 201 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: that stage. I was pretty young, yeah, and I just 202 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: I got to a point where I felt very claustrophobic. 203 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: That was the feeling that I had. And I don't 204 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: know if you guys have ever had claustrophobia before, but 205 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: it feels like you're about to die. It's quite an 206 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: unusual sensation, even though it makes no sense. Of course, 207 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: you're not going to die, and you know you're not 208 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: going to die, especially in the dark, being in a 209 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: very confined hot space in the dark and not knowing 210 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: when the ends. 211 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 3: Yes, And that's what happens with the body as well, 212 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: when there are senses. When some senses are deprived like 213 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 3: the site, your other senses become more online and so 214 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 3: it will freak you outas like if there's danger. If 215 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: your brain perceives danger, you're going to be way more reactive. Yeah, 216 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 3: so no wonder you were like upregulated and I'm like, 217 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: I'm out of here. Your fight or flight kicked in. 218 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: I was out of there. Yeah, and I was told that, 219 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: you know, I can't go back in. And they did 220 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: like three sessions. And the worst part was it was 221 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: in the first session and so I had to sit 222 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: around while they went in and out of this bloody 223 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 2: sweet lodge in the middle of the bush. That was 224 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: like three hours of my life. I'm never going to 225 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: get back. 226 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: Riverhead would have been a much different place back in 227 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: what the late nineties, early two thousands. 228 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 2: It was, Yes, it was late nineties, late nineties, like 229 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight something like that. Yeah, it was. It was, 230 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 2: but it was right in the bush part of it. 231 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 2: Maybe it was Woodhill. It was right and the Okay, 232 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 2: I think maybe more wood Hell than Riverhead. 233 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: Because they've got quite a few mushrooms around that area 234 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: at a certain times. 235 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, Riverhead, Yeah, they have bloody everywhere. Those mushrooms, I 236 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: tell you, Ah, everywhere turns out. 237 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: You're for foraging. 238 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: They are all over the shop, they're in berms. They're 239 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: in woods, they're in bermsms, street berms. Absolutely because of 240 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: all the wood chips that get brought into berms and 241 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: things that are placed around the base of gardens. A 242 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 2: lot of those wood chips are coming in from. No, 243 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: the Auckland Council did a great service to the people 244 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,559 Speaker 2: of Auckland actually when they started bringing wood chips in 245 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: because they bought the spores of magic mushrooms of them. Wow. Yeah. 246 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: Stopped mowing the berms though, And it's that's been a 247 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: real problem for the last ten years or so. People 248 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: can't mow their own booms and the Auckland city counts are. 249 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: Going to do it anymore. No, that's right. It'shtful. Yeah, 250 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: that's hurtful. So your sweet lodgers, So your sweet lodger 251 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: was just a whole lot of bush morgan, a. 252 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: Lot of bush, a lot of breasts, a lot of sweat. 253 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: What was beautiful was we had a man tending to 254 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: our fire, which was I thought at the time very 255 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: like being held by the masculine, so the feminine could 256 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: be free and floaty like water and be in our 257 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 3: full expression and chant and clap and sing. But actually 258 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: this guy that keept on coming in and out to 259 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 3: restock the fire. He was seeing some things. 260 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: Oh really he was. 261 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: He was wasted, wasted seeing us like you're seeing the bush. Yeah, 262 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: he was a I didn't want to say it. 263 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: He was a fire perf. 264 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. 265 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: What sort of training you have to do to be 266 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: a fire perof like we could one find and you're 267 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: seeing you see yourself as a bit of a fire perve. 268 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 2: Maybe a future as a fire. 269 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: Pot I just like to help things like people losing 270 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: themselves in a sweet lodge, And I think maybe it's 271 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: time for me to look at a career change to 272 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: something a bit more rewarding. 273 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 3: Wow. 274 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: Look, I don't know if you you're pretty good at 275 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: your job. Ruder as executive producer of The Hydacky Breakfast. 276 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: I don't think you need to go into the fire perve. Realm. 277 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: What's the money? 278 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: Like? 279 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: Do you reckon the money's good? 280 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 2: More? 281 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: No? 282 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 3: I think you get paid in other ways. It's a 283 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 3: community service. 284 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes money is not the reward you require, though, 285 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: you know. 286 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: What I mean. You really want to be a fire perv, 287 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 2: don't you. This is this is very revealing. We learned 288 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: a lot about Ruder on the show. 289 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 3: Don't we hear a lot. 290 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's what he doesn't say that says a lot. 291 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: Curious. 292 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: See he's not saying anything now, for example. 293 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: It's probably for the best. 294 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: I think. 295 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: So, so you said lots of bush? What else was 296 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: in there? 297 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: Fire? 298 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 3: I think we've I think we've moved on. I think 299 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: I think we're good. 300 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, he just keeps wanting you to repaint their picture. 301 00:13:59,320 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: We noticed. 302 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 3: Wow, I'm letting it go to It's all started with 303 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: me trying to figure out could we actually sexualize men 304 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: now if we're sexualizing women? 305 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: I think Look, I think men one hundred percent. I 306 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: think men are happy to be sexualized. Yes, I mean, 307 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 2: and if they're not. 308 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 3: Stiff pickies, well yeah, I mean it's an interesting thing, right. 309 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: I remember back in the day, like calendars in my 310 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: dad's workshop of like women and bikinis or lingerie draped 311 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 3: over motorbikes and oh look, I've got some grease on 312 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 3: my chest while I was fixing my car. You know, 313 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: we don't really make those calendars anymore, you know. And 314 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: I think, like, when I think about these men that 315 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 3: I'm putting on my Instagram that are chopping wood, I'm like, 316 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 3: they're sexualizing themselves. They're okay about this, But I guess 317 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 3: the argument could be said for those women on those calendars. 318 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: But now we kind of think, oh no, that's not okay. 319 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: But I guess is this because maybe women have been 320 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 3: appriested by men. Men have never been oppressed in the space, 321 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: so really can they be sexualized? 322 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? I see exactly what you're saying, because some people 323 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: would say, well, there's a double standard here, but there 324 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: is a double standard in society. There is a double 325 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: standard and so many things around gender and sex. Absolutely, 326 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: so I'm fine with it. I'm always fine with the 327 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: double standard. I kind of think, oh, yeah, okay, because 328 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: otherwise you go through looking for double standards everywhere and 329 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: you'll you'll go nuts. 330 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I do it because I'm always looking for 331 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: equality and what's right and what's wrong in these spaces. 332 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: And I haven't seen things like wedding cake toppers, you know, 333 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: where they have a woman grabbing the groom by the 334 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: neck and dragging him to the altar. You know, if 335 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: that was a man doing that to a woman, we 336 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 3: have a lot to say about it. Oh yeah, you know. 337 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: I like I like what you say, Jerry about observing 338 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: these things, but not necessarily getting worked up about it. 339 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: Like there was one that I saw recently. There's a 340 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: movie with Nicole Kidman in it. Nicole Kidman's a fifty 341 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: seven year old woman, and the articles entitled I had 342 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: to stop suiting shooting a particular scene because of the 343 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: amount of orgasms I was having, And so I thought, oh, 344 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: I'll just have a little read into a bit more 345 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: of this thought interesting read and it was basically. 346 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: We've done. It's good. I picked up. 347 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: I like it. 348 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: That was really good. 349 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: Clicked bait was cash miss there, and so basically she 350 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: was having simulated six with a twenty one year old guy. 351 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: And as I said, the article was about this fifty 352 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: seven year old woman on the face of it going 353 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: I've had so many orgasms that we had to stop filming. 354 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: I thought, let's imagine a fifty seven year old man said, oh, 355 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: I had so many orgasms simulating six with this attractive 356 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: twenty one year old girl that I had to stop filming. 357 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: And I thought up in arms, people. 358 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: Would be, yeah, right, it's true. 359 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, But when it's Nicole Kidman along comes oh mate 360 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: ruder does a little bit of clickbaiting. 361 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: What was that clickbaiting. That's exactly what I said, good 362 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: clickbreaking good, that's important. Yeah, I don't I don't mind. 363 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: I mean it's I think every individual is different as well. 364 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 2: Some some women don't want to be sexualized. I know 365 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 2: a lot of women who do like to be sexualized, 366 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: and they want the right. They enjoy their right to 367 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: be sexualized, and they have every right to be sexualized, yes, 368 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 2: and I think there's some people that don't. And I 369 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 2: think that can be confusing for some people. Yes, knowing 370 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: who to be sexualized and who's not, but you just 371 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: got to be a little bit more aware if you're 372 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 2: planning on sexualizing someone, and you've got to be you've 373 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 2: got to be smart about it and know who you 374 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 2: can and who. 375 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: You can And it's a lot about context, right, And 376 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 3: like quite often I'll put on my Instagram things about lingerie, 377 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: you know, because I think lingerie can really make somebody 378 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 3: feel really sixy and incite those feelings. And I will 379 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 3: I will show up there in my lingerie to kind 380 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 3: of say that point. And I'll probably be getting paid 381 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 3: by a lingerie company as well. But you know, bye 382 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: and bye. But like I want to be admired, but 383 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 3: I don't want to be over sexualized. So it's a 384 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: really fine, tricky, really tricky, tricky area, highly nuanced. 385 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's tricky. 386 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 3: We're living in a weird time, Team, we are. 387 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 2: Living in the weirdest of times. 388 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: Did you know that once Morgan, I hope I don't 389 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: speak out of tune because young Mesh is not here obviously, 390 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: but once a video is made of Jerry sexualizing Mesh, 391 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: and Mesh was one hundred percent into it and he 392 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: was quite happy with it. But when that video went 393 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: up online, people complained about. 394 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 2: It for what. 395 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: Was the how was he sexualized? 396 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: Really? 397 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: Remember I just remember the story. Have I made it 398 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: this up? 399 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: Well? 400 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: I don't didn't touch him with a banana or something. 401 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: Or we were walking and we were walking. It was 402 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 2: a thing that we did. We were walking along and 403 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: he stopped. I was walking with a banana in front 404 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: of me, and he sort of stopped and the banana 405 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: ended up going sort of up has a little bit, 406 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: you know, but not obviously he had pants on. Yeah, 407 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: and I was saying that, you know, that was Mash 408 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: was trying to do that. I think that's how it was. 409 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,959 Speaker 2: I had the banana or he had the banana. There 410 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 2: was a banana and ended up sort of touching that 411 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: area and we walked and there was some security camera 412 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: footage of it, and there were some people that were 413 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: quite shocked about people. They're shocked about any gag, wasn't 414 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: they You know, I'm not sure if those people have 415 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 2: seen things that you can see online and all sorts 416 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 2: of stuff out there in the world. There's some sensitive 417 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 2: souls out there. Poor, poor I feel sorry for those 418 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: people because it must be hard. 419 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: She loved it, did I really loved it. 420 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: She's totally she loves being sexualized. 421 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 3: Well, that's all that matters. If you're consenting adults, it's okay. 422 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: He absolutely loves it, but he does tell you and 423 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: when you've crossed the line, well he's done that with 424 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: me anyway. He said, look, ruder, that's too far. Can 425 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: you walk that back? And so I have to walk 426 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: it back and apologize. And that's fine because it's just 427 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: between us. 428 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's I understand. He does have some boundaries. It's 429 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: around sort of mouth to gnitalia sort vibe in the workplace. 430 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 3: That's fine, and we all have to have our boundaries. Yeah, 431 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: and it's good that he feels safe to really put 432 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: them in. 433 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, he does, he does. 434 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 2: Well, let's hope he does. I mean he probably maybe 435 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 2: goes through some other things that he doesn't let us know. 436 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: Who knows, he's probably suffering in silence. 437 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 3: I'll chicken with him. I'll let him know I'm a 438 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 3: safe place. 439 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, that'd be great, and then tell us 440 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: on the side and they'd be breaking some confidenceially there, 441 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: but just let us know. 442 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: Just record that on your phone so that through we'll 443 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: have a listen and we'll. 444 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 3: Con't we do anything for contry exactly. 445 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: All right, Well, thanks Morgan, thanks for coming in. 446 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 3: It's my pleasure for this morning. 447 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: So nice to have you so lovely. I'm looking forward 448 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: to hearing what you're going to do next with your 449 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: six dot Life podcast when you work out what that's 450 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 2: going to be. 451 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 3: Well, I sort of thought, you know, Morgan goes into 452 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 3: national really, you know, like I've sort of seen the 453 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 3: New Zealand scene now I've started to see what's happening 454 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 3: over there. But we'll see, we'll see. 455 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess it's how much more can you explore? 456 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 3: And alterior, Well, i'd like to talk to the cops 457 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 3: and the Council about glory holes and public toilets, like 458 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 3: how much of taxpayers money is going and replacing these 459 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: holes and walls? Does that make you curious? 460 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm quite interested in the glory hold that the 461 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 2: Is there one still at point Erin It's quite a 462 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: popular spot. 463 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: Rugby clubrooms are also very popular, okay, yeah, North Harbor, 464 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 3: North Harbor, Rugby. 465 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: Oh, North Harbor, like at the State the Albany Stadium. 466 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 2: I don't know North harb you North Harbor. Yeah, I 467 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 2: think they used to be quite popular once upon a time. 468 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 2: Hm hmm. Interesting, that's interesting. 469 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 3: That's a whole nother rabbit hole. I've already taken you 470 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: down rabbit holes today. 471 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 2: I've been down some interesting holes. 472 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 3: Push paws on that nobody needs us and they love today. 473 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 2: Thanks Morgan, Thanks Ruder, Thanks Mate,