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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalks EDB the scoop from the Track, fields and

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Speaker 1: the Court on your home of Sport.

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Speaker 2: Weekend Sport with Jason Vine.

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Speaker 3: Us Talks NB an elongated version of Weekend Sport eleven

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Speaker 3: minutes past eleven All Blacks twenty six Island thirteen four

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Speaker 3: tries to won. Three of those tries. After the sixty

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Speaker 3: minute mark, fed.

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Speaker 4: By roy Guard takes it away. He tells me through,

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Speaker 4: he goes.

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Speaker 5: Through one, he goes through, he does through three, Silent

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Speaker 5: for the All Blacks.

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Speaker 6: Campy roy Guard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what a performance from cam Roygard. Just one of

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Speaker 3: many impressive All Blacks today. Three straight wins over Ireland

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Speaker 3: for the All Blacks for the first time since twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Match commentator and rugby editor Elliott Smithers with us for

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Speaker 3: a quick recap after the final whistle in Chicago. Elliot,

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Speaker 3: have we just seen the best twenty minutes of rugby

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Speaker 3: in the Scott Robertson era.

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Speaker 6: It's a very good question.

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Speaker 4: Piney hadn't thought of it like that, but I would

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Speaker 4: have to agree with the game in the balance at

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Speaker 4: thirteen seven down to do what they did in that

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Speaker 4: last twenty minutes where the game went from as it said,

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Speaker 4: being in the balance and the All Blacks playing from

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Speaker 4: behind to winning by the margin that they did, and

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Speaker 4: but for a four pass could have even added a

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Speaker 4: little bit more icing to a pretty good cake here

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Speaker 4: in Chicago.

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Speaker 6: That was the All Blacks. Yeah, I would agree with you.

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Speaker 4: That was the All Blacks best twenty minutes under Scott Robertson.

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Speaker 4: And it was the twenty minutes they needed to deliver

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Speaker 4: and they did and that'll hold them in good stead.

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Speaker 4: You know that there are big challenges to come. Scotland's

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Speaker 4: will be tough next week at Murrayfield, England. It ticketed

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Speaker 4: him very good against Australia today and Wales we knows

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Speaker 4: with what you get from the Welsh. But that'll hold

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Speaker 4: them a good stead for the next three weeks.

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Speaker 3: I think that performance absolutely right. So what did you

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Speaker 3: see from the All Blacks? And they had period from

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Speaker 3: minute sixty two when to mighty William was burrowed over

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Speaker 3: you say, but for a four pass, it could have

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Speaker 3: been an even bigger school line. What did they do

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Speaker 3: particularly well in that twenty minute period.

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Speaker 6: I think they just didn't panic.

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Speaker 4: There were signs of panicking, and there were signs where

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Speaker 4: a little bit of backchat was coming through, And I

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Speaker 4: wonder what was set under the post when they went

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Speaker 4: went from being thirty two meters out to being twenty

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Speaker 4: some real school board pressure at that point. I wonder

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Speaker 4: what was set under the stix at that point, because

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Speaker 4: after that the backchat stopped. They made a couple of

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Speaker 4: a real treat and also the Irish drum. But that

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Speaker 4: came to the four. They just trusted their game. Inside

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Speaker 4: weren't really able to do between minutes forty to sixty

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Speaker 3: You spoke during commentary in glowing terms about the young

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Speaker 3: locking pair Fabian Holand. We heard you chat to him

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Speaker 6: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: I thought there was a very impressive afternoon from those

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: Fabian Holand has had some good Test matches so far

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Speaker 4: I mean this with the greatest respect. Has been somewhat

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Speaker 4: called it in twenty twenty one, played in Washington against

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Speaker 4: But it could well be coming of age performance for

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Speaker 4: I thought it was an excellent performance from someone like

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Speaker 4: It certainly just adds to the depth of what the

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Speaker 6: Lock in terms of that position.

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Speaker 4: As there was the sound effects, there are the fireworks

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Speaker 4: going off as they lift the trophy of the Gallagher

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Speaker 4: Cup which was on the line in this game.

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Speaker 3: All right, just a couple more, I know you need

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Speaker 3: coming off the bench earlier than expected into midfield with

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Speaker 3: Jordi Barrett's injury. Thought he added quite a bit Elliot,

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Speaker 3: what did you make of it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was impressed by what he was able to do.

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Speaker 4: Set up the try that ended with Ardie Savia in

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Speaker 6: So I was very impressed by what he added.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure that the All Blacks would look to

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Speaker 4: Josh Lord and playing big minutes, I was very impressed

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Speaker 3: And without wanting to read the mind of the Irish camp,

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Speaker 4: I think they'll be excuse me, quite frustrated by it,

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Speaker 4: I think they'll be frustrated by that, and I think

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Speaker 4: So I think they'll be frustrated by it, and it's

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Speaker 6: The rest of this window.

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Speaker 4: So they'll be frustrated, would be my anticipation of that,

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Speaker 3: Fantastic callers always from you with Gregor Paul alongside Elliott.

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Speaker 3: Thanks indeed off to the postmatch I know you'll be

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Speaker 3: all the reaction coming from the All Blacks camp. But

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Speaker 3: thanks for joining us after the final whistle. Pleasure Finy

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Speaker 3: Elliot Smith, rugby editor, match commentator live from Soldier Field

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Speaker 3: in Chicago, where a second half blitz has powered the

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Speaker 3: All Blacks to a twenty six thirteen win over Ireland.

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Speaker 3: They were down ten to seven at halftime, but three

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Speaker 3: Grand Slam tour with an emphatic win. It has unfortunately

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Speaker 3: been at a bit of a cost, and mainly to

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Speaker 3: We'll have all sorts of postmatch reaction a member of

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Speaker 3: Robertson coached All Blacks side? For me, it was at

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Speaker 3: the All Blacks that we used to adore the All

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Speaker 3: Blacks that came over the top of teams in the

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Speaker 3: the end a thirteen point winning margin, having been down

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Speaker 3: by six with the hour ticking across. Oh eight, one

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number. It's going

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Speaker 3: to go in early. Hello, Henry, Hey.

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Speaker 7: Jesse, Now you man very good Henry, Yeah, yeah, it's

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Speaker 7: good now, good water victory.

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Speaker 3: Oh terrific. I look, I it was a funny old

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Speaker 3: game and we'll unpack it over the next few hours

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Speaker 3: or so. But the last twenty minutes that's that's the

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Speaker 3: lasting impression of that game is just the way that

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Speaker 8: For me, Henry, yeah, yeah, And you know you need

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Speaker 8: some great performance, you know, Fabian Holland, and.

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Speaker 9: So I need to.

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Speaker 8: But you know, Jason, see I think cam Royguard is

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Speaker 10: He you know, he just does things that you know,

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Speaker 11: McCall would do.

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Speaker 3: Get there, Yeah, Henry. The only thing that might play

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Speaker 3: it good to hear from you? Henry eleven twenty three,

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Speaker 3: Jamie Chris please, ol'd got to get a breakaway one

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Speaker 4: They'd be we got pit the groot in the middle

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the first of four tries for the All Blacks today,

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Speaker 3: I think also, Jamie, the fact that a couple of

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Speaker 12: Yeah, you'd be, he would be, but yeah.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, mate, you are bothering on what I was going

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Speaker 20: And what her previous callers have said, the bench had

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Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And that's the reason players are picked on

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Speaker 3: Well, That's all we can ask for, Chris is improvement. Development.

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Speaker 3: Yes I'll win. This text goes on to say from aiden,

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Speaker 7: Oh you get a Jason, Yes, definitely pretty exciting last

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Speaker 7: This half was pretty frustrating. So sometimes think about, you know,

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Speaker 3: Points, Alex, just before you make those points, just before

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Speaker 3: you make those points, you make a very valid point

435
00:20:50,307 --> 00:20:53,067
Speaker 3: just there because it took twenty minutes to get to

436
00:20:53,147 --> 00:20:56,147
Speaker 3: the eleventh minute of the game, you know, I know,

437
00:20:56,307 --> 00:20:58,787
Speaker 3: and ye for some reason for some reason the big

438
00:20:58,827 --> 00:21:01,747
Speaker 3: screen wasn't working for the TMO replays, but there were

439
00:21:01,747 --> 00:21:03,747
Speaker 3: stoppages and even when they you know, and I know

440
00:21:03,827 --> 00:21:06,067
Speaker 3: the big screen issue was part of this, but it

441
00:21:06,147 --> 00:21:08,627
Speaker 3: to them about five or six minutes to work out

442
00:21:08,667 --> 00:21:12,147
Speaker 3: that there was a red a yellow card for tiger Burn,

443
00:21:12,627 --> 00:21:14,267
Speaker 3: and then there was an injury break and all that

444
00:21:14,307 --> 00:21:15,787
Speaker 3: sort of thing. But you're right. If you turned up

445
00:21:15,827 --> 00:21:18,827
Speaker 3: for the first time and you'd been sold this exciting

446
00:21:19,787 --> 00:21:22,187
Speaker 3: rugby union and after twenty minutes you look up at

447
00:21:22,187 --> 00:21:23,987
Speaker 3: the clock and thought, we've only had eleven minutes and

448
00:21:24,027 --> 00:21:26,467
Speaker 3: I haven't seen much, you'd be wondering, wouldn't you. You

449
00:21:26,507 --> 00:21:28,427
Speaker 3: would be wondering. It must be it's a it's a

450
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Speaker 3: hard sell to a new fan anyway, go on, Well

451
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Speaker 3: you have.

452
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Speaker 7: To know, I mean, I guess they used to have

453
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Speaker 7: a lot of stoppages in that American football, but yeah,

454
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Speaker 7: it's it's sort of you know, that yellow card it was, well,

455
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Speaker 7: it was clever Gaster.

456
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Speaker 2: That upgraded to a red.

457
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Speaker 7: Imagine the Irish feeling pretty pretty hard done by there,

458
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Speaker 7: But but they weathered that pretty well away.

459
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Speaker 3: I know what, I don't know what tig Burn is

460
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Speaker 3: supposed to do in that situation, Alex, what is he

461
00:21:57,067 --> 00:22:00,707
Speaker 3: supposed to do? Yeah, Boaden Barrett doesn't even expect to

462
00:22:00,747 --> 00:22:02,267
Speaker 3: get the ball for starters. I know that it's not

463
00:22:02,387 --> 00:22:04,547
Speaker 3: tig Burn's issue, but Barret's got the ball and go, oh,

464
00:22:04,907 --> 00:22:06,627
Speaker 3: I've got the ball, and then you just look, there's

465
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Speaker 3: literally a split second before he runs into Tiger Burne.

466
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Speaker 3: And I know people say he should wrap his arms,

467
00:22:12,027 --> 00:22:14,947
Speaker 3: he should be lower. He's got a split second to

468
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Speaker 3: do that. I'd defy anyone to do that.

469
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Speaker 7: It's your human you're human reaction. You know, the first

470
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Speaker 7: thing you're going to do is given, given that amount

471
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Speaker 7: of time, brace yourself, I guess, and if you're upright,

472
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Speaker 7: there's nothing nothing you can do. But it's yeah, pretty rough.

473
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Speaker 7: But fortunately fell on out side today. But yeah, the

474
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Speaker 7: other thing, i'd obviously it was awesome real So I

475
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Speaker 7: mean that only only sort of thing I get nervous

476
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Speaker 7: about when they when they go to America, and I

477
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Speaker 7: know where they go there. You know, got the World

478
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Speaker 7: carp and it's obviously trying to promote the game there,

479
00:22:46,347 --> 00:22:49,267
Speaker 7: but just the astroturfe, we always see a couple of

480
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Speaker 7: pretty severe injuries when they're playing on it.

481
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Speaker 14: And I don't know.

482
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Speaker 7: Extra turf is used around the world a lot more,

483
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Speaker 7: but I guess it's just not the same questioning you

484
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Speaker 7: get on the grass.

485
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Speaker 17: I think it was that was there?

486
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Speaker 7: Iris stand that Nathan Harris that is knee or something

487
00:23:02,907 --> 00:23:04,947
Speaker 7: real bad. And the last time we were there, I

488
00:23:05,067 --> 00:23:07,347
Speaker 7: know there was a couple of pretty bad ones. But

489
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Speaker 7: hopefully hopefully Jeordie pulls up all right, And who's the

490
00:23:11,827 --> 00:23:15,467
Speaker 7: other one. I don't think his brother's injury was due

491
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Speaker 7: to due to the AstroTurf as such, but yeah, so

492
00:23:19,027 --> 00:23:20,187
Speaker 7: maybe there's just the one.

493
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Speaker 3: That But any thoughts on that it's that AstroTurf.

494
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Speaker 2: I thought it was grass?

495
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Speaker 7: Oh maybe it is. Maybe I just assumed. Yeah, I

496
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Speaker 7: think I'm pretty layer of grass, don't they?

497
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Speaker 21: All right?

498
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Speaker 22: Mate?

499
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't look like it didn't look like grass.

500
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Speaker 3: It didn't look like grass as we're used to it, Alex,

501
00:23:38,867 --> 00:23:40,667
Speaker 3: I can see, you know, And it was looked a

502
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Speaker 3: little bit patchy and that I thought it was a

503
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Speaker 3: bit patchy. But no, well I'll check that out. We'll

504
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Speaker 3: get absolute confirmation. But the other thing, the other thing

505
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Speaker 3: about the other thing about American Yeah, I think about

506
00:23:49,947 --> 00:23:52,547
Speaker 3: American grounds. Is there narrow in the end goal here

507
00:23:52,667 --> 00:23:53,547
Speaker 3: is only about a meter.

508
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Speaker 23: Did you see that?

509
00:23:54,667 --> 00:23:56,467
Speaker 3: The end goals are so small?

510
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Speaker 7: But when you saw footage of the reserves standing there,

511
00:24:00,187 --> 00:24:02,907
Speaker 7: there was actually another there's not a five meters there.

512
00:24:02,947 --> 00:24:05,387
Speaker 7: They could have like made into a scene. I just

513
00:24:05,667 --> 00:24:06,947
Speaker 7: you know, there's only fair far they want to go.

514
00:24:07,067 --> 00:24:11,427
Speaker 7: But yeah, yeah, anyway, No, it was a very exciting game,

515
00:24:11,547 --> 00:24:13,467
Speaker 7: and looking forward to the rest of the all the

516
00:24:13,467 --> 00:24:15,027
Speaker 7: players stood up. There's no one who had a bad

517
00:24:15,067 --> 00:24:17,587
Speaker 7: game but one one guy I'll mentioned, and he's not

518
00:24:17,627 --> 00:24:20,187
Speaker 7: a favorite player of one, but I thought the group

519
00:24:20,227 --> 00:24:21,907
Speaker 7: actually played pretty well, held on to the ball and

520
00:24:22,827 --> 00:24:25,027
Speaker 7: hit some good runs. But all the handling that first

521
00:24:25,107 --> 00:24:27,467
Speaker 7: try of Ardies, you know, all the all the boards

522
00:24:27,507 --> 00:24:29,747
Speaker 7: out there putting it through the hands. So it's really

523
00:24:29,787 --> 00:24:31,187
Speaker 7: cool to see when they when they do that, when

524
00:24:31,187 --> 00:24:34,067
Speaker 7: they you know, keep it in play like that and

525
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Speaker 7: take the opportunities and yeah sluster.

526
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Speaker 3: Occasionally, yeah, good man, Alex a good points, well made mate.

527
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Speaker 3: Will check out the soldier field situation. It didn't look

528
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Speaker 3: like astro turf in the in the you know, typical

529
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Speaker 3: you say, well that's plastic grass. Sense it may have

530
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Speaker 3: been a little bit of a hybrid. We'll check it out.

531
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Speaker 3: Good to chat to you mate. Twenty two away from midday.

532
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Speaker 3: Calls mounting up, but let's get them on. I eight

533
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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten arighty back in a moment.

534
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Speaker 1: Don't get caught offside. Weekend spoards with Jason Pinin and GJ. Gunnobes,

535
00:25:05,347 --> 00:25:06,587
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most just to.

536
00:25:06,627 --> 00:25:10,067
Speaker 3: Know builder News Dogs nineteen away from midday. Back to

537
00:25:10,107 --> 00:25:11,707
Speaker 3: the lines and the stick. Just before that lived the

538
00:25:11,707 --> 00:25:14,667
Speaker 3: postmatch thoughts. The immediate postmatch thoughts of All Black's head

539
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Speaker 3: coach Scott robertson.

540
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Speaker 24: It's got a massive congratulations and we're in against the

541
00:25:18,427 --> 00:25:21,707
Speaker 24: side like Ireland will always be saved, I'm sure, but

542
00:25:21,947 --> 00:25:24,907
Speaker 24: this must be like a pretty special victory all things considered.

543
00:25:24,947 --> 00:25:26,227
Speaker 24: A funny for your thoughts right now?

544
00:25:27,027 --> 00:25:29,187
Speaker 25: Yeah, this special. You know, we've fought it way back

545
00:25:29,227 --> 00:25:32,427
Speaker 25: into it. The first first half felt like an indiofl game,

546
00:25:32,427 --> 00:25:34,067
Speaker 25: didn't it. There was so many stoppagers and we just

547
00:25:34,107 --> 00:25:37,227
Speaker 25: couldn't get any flow. And you know, young crew came

548
00:25:37,267 --> 00:25:39,267
Speaker 25: on and just kept playing and playing, feelis, so it

549
00:25:39,827 --> 00:25:42,227
Speaker 25: was great to see us execute.

550
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Speaker 24: Let's go back to the first half because obviously tying

551
00:25:45,147 --> 00:25:48,027
Speaker 24: going off for Ireland. So but you can quite get

552
00:25:48,827 --> 00:25:51,307
Speaker 24: the one, you know, the extra man advantage to count.

553
00:25:51,387 --> 00:25:54,627
Speaker 25: Why was that I got into the twenty two or

554
00:25:54,627 --> 00:25:56,387
Speaker 25: four times in teen the ball over straight away, gave

555
00:25:56,387 --> 00:25:58,267
Speaker 25: it vict to them, took pressure off them, and they

556
00:25:58,307 --> 00:26:00,427
Speaker 25: won a lot of the aerial game and it was

557
00:26:00,467 --> 00:26:02,947
Speaker 25: so stop start. We just couldn't get fatigue in the game.

558
00:26:03,907 --> 00:26:06,027
Speaker 25: And when we did the second half we played and

559
00:26:06,467 --> 00:26:10,747
Speaker 25: I just so pleased that the boys trusted themselves and no.

560
00:26:10,827 --> 00:26:12,547
Speaker 24: Panics at the break though, because there was no thing

561
00:26:12,627 --> 00:26:14,667
Speaker 24: matching it in terms of stats and on the metrics.

562
00:26:14,707 --> 00:26:16,347
Speaker 22: It was pretty close denial game.

563
00:26:16,427 --> 00:26:19,307
Speaker 25: You know, they just went forward momentum kicked and we

564
00:26:19,747 --> 00:26:22,507
Speaker 25: won a few then lost probably a few more than

565
00:26:22,547 --> 00:26:24,267
Speaker 25: we have liked, and no publish and we knew if

566
00:26:24,307 --> 00:26:26,587
Speaker 25: you get there the game and we did a hell

567
00:26:26,627 --> 00:26:29,067
Speaker 25: of a spectacle. Great to see seven kiwis and and

568
00:26:29,187 --> 00:26:29,787
Speaker 25: Irish here.

569
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Speaker 22: It's a special stadium.

570
00:26:31,827 --> 00:26:33,827
Speaker 24: Yeah, you certainly let list to that second half as well.

571
00:26:34,147 --> 00:26:36,907
Speaker 24: I know you beat this Irish cite in Dublin last autumn.

572
00:26:36,947 --> 00:26:40,187
Speaker 24: For you personally, would this be maybe a biggest scalp

573
00:26:40,307 --> 00:26:40,627
Speaker 24: to date?

574
00:26:41,107 --> 00:26:43,987
Speaker 6: Would you say, oh, that's the.

575
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Speaker 22: Cool, there's just so many tough every every week. It

576
00:26:48,307 --> 00:26:49,507
Speaker 22: just keeps on giving to it. Forty.

577
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Speaker 25: You want to win every game obviously, and some are

578
00:26:52,547 --> 00:26:53,187
Speaker 25: bigger than others.

579
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Speaker 22: But I couldn't check it out just yet.

580
00:26:55,507 --> 00:26:57,987
Speaker 24: Okay, we'll say that that. And finally, you know, I

581
00:26:58,107 --> 00:26:59,987
Speaker 24: know as a squad you've been tested over the last

582
00:27:00,027 --> 00:27:02,427
Speaker 24: couple of months. You've made changes, you brought in new

583
00:27:02,547 --> 00:27:05,987
Speaker 24: faces and so maybe questioning there, you guys still got

584
00:27:06,067 --> 00:27:09,507
Speaker 24: that black fear back there. So what does this win overside?

585
00:27:09,587 --> 00:27:12,107
Speaker 24: Like Ireland tell us about this team of yours. We're

586
00:27:12,187 --> 00:27:12,987
Speaker 24: two years out from.

587
00:27:12,907 --> 00:27:13,347
Speaker 2: A World Cup.

588
00:27:14,267 --> 00:27:18,467
Speaker 25: Well, the most tess kIPS that left the Orbits ever

589
00:27:18,587 --> 00:27:21,307
Speaker 25: after twenty two three World Cup, so there's always going

590
00:27:21,347 --> 00:27:22,787
Speaker 25: to be a period of time we guys.

591
00:27:22,627 --> 00:27:25,827
Speaker 22: Need to keid opportunities you create.

592
00:27:26,987 --> 00:27:28,987
Speaker 25: You create them by bringing all the young guys shrew

593
00:27:29,067 --> 00:27:30,547
Speaker 25: and in them when they're really and.

594
00:27:30,587 --> 00:27:32,147
Speaker 22: That's what a place. All the guys been ready for

595
00:27:32,227 --> 00:27:32,707
Speaker 22: that moment.

596
00:27:33,227 --> 00:27:35,987
Speaker 25: Singing halves have been good for us and we actually

597
00:27:36,227 --> 00:27:38,587
Speaker 25: chuck off in and this just shows that the growth in.

598
00:27:38,587 --> 00:27:40,467
Speaker 24: The group and Joe Tonight's got well done.

599
00:27:40,587 --> 00:27:41,267
Speaker 22: Thanks alle chies.

600
00:27:41,507 --> 00:27:43,107
Speaker 3: Let us ask Scott Robertson, I think they're jumping on

601
00:27:43,147 --> 00:27:44,587
Speaker 3: the plane straight away. I don't thin they're staying the

602
00:27:44,627 --> 00:27:46,067
Speaker 3: night in Chicago. Thanks for holding market.

603
00:27:46,147 --> 00:27:49,987
Speaker 26: I mate, hey, Pani, you're on the riffing. I think

604
00:27:50,027 --> 00:27:52,507
Speaker 26: that riffing at the top level is too inconsistent, and

605
00:27:52,587 --> 00:27:55,547
Speaker 26: I think the top teams need the best referees in

606
00:27:55,627 --> 00:27:56,187
Speaker 26: the world.

607
00:27:56,027 --> 00:27:56,507
Speaker 14: To riff them.

608
00:27:56,587 --> 00:27:59,627
Speaker 26: Not give us, not this use this argument of giving

609
00:27:59,707 --> 00:28:02,507
Speaker 26: these riffs experience. I think they get a bit bewildered by,

610
00:28:02,627 --> 00:28:06,267
Speaker 26: like the difference in the way things are ruled. Sick

611
00:28:06,587 --> 00:28:09,427
Speaker 26: the James Lowe. You've got to give this guy credit.

612
00:28:09,587 --> 00:28:11,307
Speaker 26: I mean, I know the Africans will probably think that

613
00:28:11,427 --> 00:28:13,747
Speaker 26: Colby's been the best singer, but I think James low

614
00:28:13,787 --> 00:28:16,827
Speaker 26: has probably been the best swinger in recent times. He's

615
00:28:16,867 --> 00:28:19,867
Speaker 26: a complete player. He just does everything so well, you know,

616
00:28:19,947 --> 00:28:22,827
Speaker 26: even if even his kicking game today was just fantastic,

617
00:28:22,907 --> 00:28:25,427
Speaker 26: and the decision making is true too.

618
00:28:26,347 --> 00:28:29,907
Speaker 3: And he's thirty three, Mark, He's thirty three years old,

619
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Speaker 3: James low I mean, we normally get rid of wingers

620
00:28:32,387 --> 00:28:33,347
Speaker 3: at twenty seven, though.

621
00:28:35,107 --> 00:28:36,947
Speaker 26: I just think he's played so well. I mean, I

622
00:28:36,987 --> 00:28:41,187
Speaker 26: remember you down the sideline that Irish game when Wellington

623
00:28:41,227 --> 00:28:43,147
Speaker 26: they won and I mean he was fabulous then and

624
00:28:43,227 --> 00:28:44,827
Speaker 26: it's just as good now. I think he's one of

625
00:28:44,907 --> 00:28:46,387
Speaker 26: the most consistent players in the.

626
00:28:46,387 --> 00:28:47,067
Speaker 14: World at the moment.

627
00:28:47,147 --> 00:28:50,267
Speaker 26: To be honest, he won thirty three and my last point,

628
00:28:50,867 --> 00:28:51,387
Speaker 26: he so there.

629
00:28:51,707 --> 00:28:52,867
Speaker 27: I think for the next.

630
00:28:52,707 --> 00:28:54,627
Speaker 26: World Cup he needs to be the captain. I think

631
00:28:54,667 --> 00:28:56,507
Speaker 26: it would be great to have a you know, might

632
00:28:56,547 --> 00:28:58,987
Speaker 26: be a little bit one eye because I'm a Hurricane support,

633
00:28:59,067 --> 00:29:01,827
Speaker 26: but I'd love to see him as the captain, and

634
00:29:01,867 --> 00:29:04,027
Speaker 26: I think he's growing into the role and to have

635
00:29:04,187 --> 00:29:08,867
Speaker 26: the inspiration type player as well as captain. I think

636
00:29:08,907 --> 00:29:11,427
Speaker 26: he'd be a player almost like a cross between Richie

637
00:29:11,467 --> 00:29:16,467
Speaker 26: McCaw and Kalisi, and I think that the extra ex

638
00:29:16,547 --> 00:29:20,467
Speaker 26: factor that he brings to the games as and he's

639
00:29:20,507 --> 00:29:23,027
Speaker 26: really grown as the captain when he is kept, and

640
00:29:23,107 --> 00:29:26,227
Speaker 26: I think he really performs well. Some players, you know,

641
00:29:26,427 --> 00:29:29,027
Speaker 26: when kept and don't play as well, but I think

642
00:29:29,067 --> 00:29:32,107
Speaker 26: it almost inspires them, and I think he inspires the team,

643
00:29:32,147 --> 00:29:34,187
Speaker 26: and I think that would be a great move. I

644
00:29:34,227 --> 00:29:37,267
Speaker 26: don't think it's going to happen, but i'd like I'd

645
00:29:37,347 --> 00:29:38,067
Speaker 26: really like to see it.

646
00:29:38,147 --> 00:29:40,147
Speaker 3: To be honest, I don't think you can be accused

647
00:29:40,147 --> 00:29:42,387
Speaker 3: of Hurricanes buyers Market doesn't even play for us anymore,

648
00:29:42,427 --> 00:29:42,667
Speaker 3: does he?

649
00:29:43,547 --> 00:29:46,787
Speaker 22: He's hurricane.

650
00:29:47,027 --> 00:29:49,427
Speaker 26: I consider Boat and Bury a hurricane still pining.

651
00:29:51,067 --> 00:29:51,507
Speaker 18: I love it.

652
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Speaker 3: Mark, good on you mate, thanks for calling it as always.

653
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Speaker 3: Eighty ten eighty Carlton, hold their mate with you after

654
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Speaker 3: the break. It's fourteen away from midday.

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Speaker 1: The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport, Weekend

656
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Speaker 1: Sport with Jason GJ. Gunner, Homes New Zealand Close Trusted

657
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Speaker 1: own Builder, News.

658
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Speaker 3: Dogs twelve away from midday and the elongated version of

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Speaker 3: Weekend Sport Today, Get a Carlton, thanks for holding Good morning.

660
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Speaker 28: No problems, an interesting game this morning. We need a

661
00:30:19,667 --> 00:30:22,427
Speaker 28: bottle that last twenty minutes and then play that formula

662
00:30:22,507 --> 00:30:26,187
Speaker 28: for the full eighty because there was less kicking in

663
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Speaker 28: that game and when the All Black started breaking out

664
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Speaker 28: and instead of kicking it away, they actually had good

665
00:30:32,067 --> 00:30:36,387
Speaker 28: flow going and the passing games from cam Wigard passed

666
00:30:36,427 --> 00:30:39,947
Speaker 28: from the Taylor Clark need to play more like that

667
00:30:40,987 --> 00:30:42,787
Speaker 28: because it was left kicking and they just need to

668
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Speaker 28: bag themselves.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they were doing it later on because

670
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Speaker 3: they sensed in Ireland some fatigue that they could capitalize

671
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Speaker 3: on that that wasn't necessarily there earlier on.

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Speaker 28: Well, on the first half we didn't have much bought

673
00:30:56,467 --> 00:30:59,307
Speaker 28: to use to get that flow going. It was more

674
00:30:59,827 --> 00:31:02,907
Speaker 28: Irish born the first half. But once we started getting anton,

675
00:31:02,987 --> 00:31:06,067
Speaker 28: that's when it started kicking off yet and it started

676
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Speaker 28: just getting the breaks into the lines.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, like I think we'd all love to see

678
00:31:12,787 --> 00:31:14,427
Speaker 3: them play for eighty minutes like they did in the

679
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Speaker 3: last twenty. And look, I'm not not negating the point,

680
00:31:19,267 --> 00:31:22,107
Speaker 3: but you know, it is a game that tends to

681
00:31:22,187 --> 00:31:24,347
Speaker 3: open up in the end, you know when players get

682
00:31:24,347 --> 00:31:26,747
Speaker 3: a bit tired. Of course, Ireland played what twenty minutes

683
00:31:26,787 --> 00:31:31,267
Speaker 3: with fourteen men, you know once once the red card

684
00:31:31,427 --> 00:31:35,107
Speaker 3: was confirmed for Tiger Burne. Thank goodness they've changed that

685
00:31:35,187 --> 00:31:37,067
Speaker 3: role and you can bring somebody on after twenty minutes,

686
00:31:37,067 --> 00:31:39,587
Speaker 3: so they're not playing for seventy eight minutes with fourteen

687
00:31:39,667 --> 00:31:42,387
Speaker 3: men or whatever it might have been. So look, Cartin,

688
00:31:42,387 --> 00:31:44,507
Speaker 3: I think there are green shoots there, some promise, and

689
00:31:44,907 --> 00:31:46,587
Speaker 3: like you, if I can see more of what we

690
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Speaker 3: saw in the last twenty across an eighty minute performance,

691
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Speaker 3: I'll be delighted. Good man. Thanks for calling in, Piney.

692
00:31:54,707 --> 00:31:56,547
Speaker 3: You and your callers need to remember we've only been

693
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Speaker 3: a fourteen man team. Of course they were naked at

694
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Speaker 3: the end. Yeah, Dave. They had fourteen men for twenty minutes,

695
00:32:01,387 --> 00:32:04,707
Speaker 3: not the whole game. So let's remember that great win, Pinty.

696
00:32:05,627 --> 00:32:08,467
Speaker 3: But during the refereeing Debarkle in the first half, says

697
00:32:08,547 --> 00:32:11,947
Speaker 3: Jamie my Son asked me what time the kiwis played

698
00:32:11,987 --> 00:32:14,747
Speaker 3: Tonga and left the room. No wonder kids are finding

699
00:32:14,747 --> 00:32:17,027
Speaker 3: it hard to watch. It's hard nothing else to understand

700
00:32:17,067 --> 00:32:19,067
Speaker 3: the rules. Good point, Jamie, Yell. Look, there's got to

701
00:32:19,107 --> 00:32:21,267
Speaker 3: be a better way, right, there has to be a

702
00:32:21,347 --> 00:32:27,387
Speaker 3: better way than what we saw. After the collision between

703
00:32:28,107 --> 00:32:31,827
Speaker 3: tiger Burn and Bowden Barrett, which led to the yellow

704
00:32:31,947 --> 00:32:38,347
Speaker 3: card for tiger Burn, the play was stopped for what five, six,

705
00:32:38,507 --> 00:32:41,707
Speaker 3: seven minutes. I know some of it's beyond rugby's control.

706
00:32:41,827 --> 00:32:44,987
Speaker 3: I know that the big screen had issues, so the

707
00:32:45,067 --> 00:32:47,747
Speaker 3: referee couldn't watch on the big screen, as would normally

708
00:32:47,827 --> 00:32:51,307
Speaker 3: be the protocol. But even so, it just seems to

709
00:32:51,387 --> 00:32:57,787
Speaker 3: take an interminably long time to get these things squared away.

710
00:32:59,427 --> 00:33:01,027
Speaker 3: Compare it to rugby league, and I don't like to

711
00:33:01,067 --> 00:33:03,147
Speaker 3: make the comparison in terms of the way the two

712
00:33:03,267 --> 00:33:07,507
Speaker 3: games flow, but in Rugby League. In a situation like that,

713
00:33:07,627 --> 00:33:10,747
Speaker 3: it has very quickly dealt with. You're on report. You

714
00:33:10,787 --> 00:33:12,387
Speaker 3: know it's the cross of the arms. You're on report.

715
00:33:12,787 --> 00:33:15,067
Speaker 3: We'll sort it out afterwards. We're not going to stop

716
00:33:15,107 --> 00:33:18,467
Speaker 3: the spectacle here. We will sort it out afterwards. Nine

717
00:33:18,467 --> 00:33:20,427
Speaker 3: away from midday news talks. There'll be back in a moment.

718
00:33:21,747 --> 00:33:25,147
Speaker 1: The big issues on and after fields call oh eight

719
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Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty weekends forward with Jason.

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Speaker 2: Fine and GJ.

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Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted homebuilder, News talks at baby

722
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Speaker 1: six and.

723
00:33:33,827 --> 00:33:36,587
Speaker 3: A half away from midday weekend. Sport continues after midday,

724
00:33:36,667 --> 00:33:38,787
Speaker 3: of course, it's always on at that time. Jason Holland,

725
00:33:38,827 --> 00:33:40,587
Speaker 3: assistant coach of the All Black's going to join us

726
00:33:40,627 --> 00:33:44,307
Speaker 3: after midday with his review of the game. Many more

727
00:33:44,307 --> 00:33:46,387
Speaker 3: of your calls as well. After one o'clock we'll get

728
00:33:46,387 --> 00:33:49,787
Speaker 3: an Irish view from highly regarded journalist and broadcaster out

729
00:33:49,827 --> 00:33:52,867
Speaker 3: of Ireland Murray Kinseller. Lots of your calls as well

730
00:33:53,387 --> 00:33:56,707
Speaker 3: to get on the radio. Fabian Holland was named man

731
00:33:56,787 --> 00:33:59,387
Speaker 3: of the match. He spoke after the match the.

732
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Speaker 24: Fabian revenge has been served. It was a tough day

733
00:34:01,987 --> 00:34:04,387
Speaker 24: for New Zealand rugby here nine years ago. To sum

734
00:34:04,547 --> 00:34:05,947
Speaker 24: up the elation for me if you can.

735
00:34:07,747 --> 00:34:11,307
Speaker 29: Yeah, massive game for us, Thank you for everyone coming out.

736
00:34:11,947 --> 00:34:16,987
Speaker 29: Means the world to us. Yeah, creator Ireland's absolute quality

737
00:34:17,107 --> 00:34:21,067
Speaker 29: side m Yeah, just stuck together win, Credator. The boys

738
00:34:21,747 --> 00:34:23,947
Speaker 29: also many had to stuck together win.

739
00:34:24,347 --> 00:34:25,667
Speaker 24: I know a lot of you were part of the

740
00:34:25,707 --> 00:34:28,427
Speaker 24: squad obviously that lost in twenty sixteen. But how big

741
00:34:28,507 --> 00:34:30,787
Speaker 24: a driving force was the pain that they said for

742
00:34:30,867 --> 00:34:32,547
Speaker 24: that day to day Yeah.

743
00:34:32,507 --> 00:34:35,867
Speaker 29: Massive, massive renew that that kind of was to start

744
00:34:35,947 --> 00:34:40,147
Speaker 29: for our Irish rugby and you know, we just wanted

745
00:34:40,147 --> 00:34:43,907
Speaker 29: to make a statement and started this tour and hopefully

746
00:34:43,947 --> 00:34:46,827
Speaker 29: we were able to do that. And we just talked

747
00:34:46,867 --> 00:34:49,707
Speaker 29: about all week about picking each other up and being

748
00:34:49,747 --> 00:34:51,627
Speaker 29: there for each other and that's what we did.

749
00:34:52,027 --> 00:34:54,467
Speaker 24: At the first half. Laft a little bit of cohesion, No,

750
00:34:54,587 --> 00:34:55,987
Speaker 24: a little bit of accuracy at times.

751
00:34:56,067 --> 00:34:59,707
Speaker 29: Why was that I guess with like skipped going off

752
00:34:59,787 --> 00:35:03,107
Speaker 29: and and then Toorady, you know, teammate the getter around.

753
00:35:03,827 --> 00:35:05,867
Speaker 29: We had to adjust and and the boys had just

754
00:35:05,907 --> 00:35:10,187
Speaker 29: said beautifully So yeah, once again credit to the boys

755
00:35:10,267 --> 00:35:11,107
Speaker 29: did an awesome job.

756
00:35:12,067 --> 00:35:12,667
Speaker 22: Team efforts.

757
00:35:12,947 --> 00:35:14,867
Speaker 24: Second half was much better than right. So you found

758
00:35:14,907 --> 00:35:16,587
Speaker 24: a bit of space out there in that second forty.

759
00:35:16,627 --> 00:35:17,347
Speaker 2: What was the message of.

760
00:35:17,347 --> 00:35:17,907
Speaker 23: The break.

761
00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:23,987
Speaker 29: Just keep playing All Black rugby, which is just throwing

762
00:35:24,027 --> 00:35:27,547
Speaker 29: the ball around, having a crack, being relentless on defense.

763
00:35:27,947 --> 00:35:29,187
Speaker 22: So that's all we just wanted to do. We just

764
00:35:29,227 --> 00:35:30,947
Speaker 22: wanted to back each other up and beat there for

765
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Speaker 22: each other.

766
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Speaker 3: That is Fabian Holland named Player of the match after

767
00:35:35,467 --> 00:35:37,947
Speaker 3: the game, his tenth Test of the year. He's played

768
00:35:37,947 --> 00:35:40,587
Speaker 3: in every Test eight from the start to off the

769
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Speaker 3: bench for a bloke in his first All Black season

770
00:35:43,507 --> 00:35:46,267
Speaker 3: has been quite the impact for Fabian Holland and as

771
00:35:46,347 --> 00:35:49,227
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier this hour when Josh Lord came on to

772
00:35:49,307 --> 00:35:51,387
Speaker 3: the field as well to replace Scott Barrett in the

773
00:35:51,387 --> 00:35:54,187
Speaker 3: first half after he went off injured. You know, that's

774
00:35:54,227 --> 00:35:58,267
Speaker 3: a very very green locking pair for the All Blacks.

775
00:35:58,347 --> 00:36:00,707
Speaker 3: I can't remember a time when we would have had

776
00:36:01,347 --> 00:36:05,067
Speaker 3: as inexperienced a locking pair for as long in a

777
00:36:05,147 --> 00:36:08,707
Speaker 3: Test match as this morning. And yet Fabin Holland and

778
00:36:08,787 --> 00:36:12,227
Speaker 3: Josh Lord I think did a really good job in

779
00:36:12,307 --> 00:36:14,587
Speaker 3: the second row. I thought Wallace a Titi had a

780
00:36:14,707 --> 00:36:18,067
Speaker 3: very good impact today too. I think he's just struggled

781
00:36:18,107 --> 00:36:20,587
Speaker 3: to reach the heights. Hasn't he of last year when

782
00:36:20,627 --> 00:36:23,707
Speaker 3: he just hit with such a bang. He was just

783
00:36:23,987 --> 00:36:27,827
Speaker 3: absolutely superb last year Wallace aer Titi and of course

784
00:36:28,307 --> 00:36:32,987
Speaker 3: earned the accolades from that. Hasn't quite got that back

785
00:36:33,067 --> 00:36:35,107
Speaker 3: this year and had to recover from injury, of course.

786
00:36:35,867 --> 00:36:39,747
Speaker 3: But I wonder whether there's a scenario under which our

787
00:36:39,787 --> 00:36:43,707
Speaker 3: starting loose trio is Wallace to Titi, Ardie Savia and

788
00:36:43,787 --> 00:36:47,587
Speaker 3: Peter Larkey and Larky speaking of an experienced All Blacks

789
00:36:47,667 --> 00:36:51,907
Speaker 3: thought it had another strong game, so tt Savia, Larkey,

790
00:36:52,347 --> 00:36:58,227
Speaker 3: I like Simon Parker, big body contributes well, but I

791
00:36:58,387 --> 00:37:02,267
Speaker 3: just wonder about that as a loose forward combination. Three

792
00:37:02,307 --> 00:37:04,507
Speaker 3: minutes away from midday, we're going to take our news

793
00:37:04,747 --> 00:37:06,827
Speaker 3: at twelve and then come back with that's more out

794
00:37:06,827 --> 00:37:10,307
Speaker 3: of the All Blacks Island game. Jason Holland, assistant coach

795
00:37:10,427 --> 00:37:12,827
Speaker 3: of the All Blacks, gonna join us straight after midday.

796
00:37:12,907 --> 00:37:15,707
Speaker 3: Plenty of time for your calls as well. Join us

797
00:37:15,747 --> 00:37:18,387
Speaker 3: for weekend sport after the midday news, which is coming

798
00:37:18,467 --> 00:37:18,867
Speaker 3: up next.

799
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Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

800
00:37:24,867 --> 00:37:29,747
Speaker 1: the big controversies, and the big conversations. It's all on

801
00:37:29,907 --> 00:37:33,667
Speaker 1: weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

802
00:37:34,147 --> 00:37:34,747
Speaker 1: News Talks.

803
00:37:34,787 --> 00:37:35,307
Speaker 2: Had been.

804
00:37:37,067 --> 00:37:38,907
Speaker 3: Welcome into the weekend Sport. Well, we've been here for

805
00:37:38,947 --> 00:37:42,587
Speaker 3: an hour since the finish of the game in Chicago,

806
00:37:42,947 --> 00:37:45,747
Speaker 3: and we've already opened up discussion on a number of issues.

807
00:37:46,227 --> 00:37:48,307
Speaker 3: Lines open all afternoon of eight one hundred and eighty

808
00:37:48,467 --> 00:37:52,307
Speaker 3: ten eighty All Blacks twenty six Island thirteen.

809
00:37:53,707 --> 00:37:57,347
Speaker 5: The All Blacks monster the Irish in the final twenty

810
00:37:59,347 --> 00:38:05,307
Speaker 5: twenty six thirteen, three final quarter tries and the All

811
00:38:05,387 --> 00:38:07,947
Speaker 5: Blacks winner by thirteen at Soldier Field.

812
00:38:08,187 --> 00:38:11,147
Speaker 3: Yes, they do three straight Test wins over Ireland for

813
00:38:11,227 --> 00:38:14,747
Speaker 3: the first time since twenty thirteen. Let's get you to Chicago.

814
00:38:15,147 --> 00:38:18,307
Speaker 3: All Black's assistant coach, Jason Holland is standing by. Jason,

815
00:38:18,307 --> 00:38:20,547
Speaker 3: Thanks for taking our call. How pleasing to start the

816
00:38:20,627 --> 00:38:24,427
Speaker 3: Grand Slam Tour with victory over Ireland in Chicago.

817
00:38:25,387 --> 00:38:29,867
Speaker 30: Afternoon, Ponty, Yeah, obviously delighted with the result. You know,

818
00:38:29,947 --> 00:38:32,467
Speaker 30: it's been a pretty pretty awesome occasion here in Chicago,

819
00:38:32,587 --> 00:38:34,987
Speaker 30: and to get the results and to you know, get

820
00:38:35,067 --> 00:38:36,667
Speaker 30: our game going in the last half an hour was

821
00:38:36,707 --> 00:38:38,547
Speaker 30: really satisfying. So it's good to get over the line.

822
00:38:39,027 --> 00:38:41,467
Speaker 3: What were the things that worked so well in the

823
00:38:41,587 --> 00:38:43,907
Speaker 3: last let's say, the last twenty minutes, from the time

824
00:38:43,947 --> 00:38:45,947
Speaker 3: that to Mighty Williams scored that try till the end

825
00:38:45,947 --> 00:38:48,147
Speaker 3: of the game where you were still looking to score

826
00:38:48,347 --> 00:38:50,987
Speaker 3: another one after the whistle. What did you see that

827
00:38:51,147 --> 00:38:53,947
Speaker 3: was so effective and so impressive in that last twenty minutes.

828
00:38:55,147 --> 00:38:57,387
Speaker 30: Oh, I think the stuff that was missing in the

829
00:38:57,427 --> 00:38:59,907
Speaker 30: first half, you know around our skill sets really just

830
00:38:59,947 --> 00:39:01,867
Speaker 30: simple things. Your simple parts of the game are and

831
00:39:01,987 --> 00:39:04,507
Speaker 30: carry and and you know some of our skills are

832
00:39:04,587 --> 00:39:06,507
Speaker 30: in catch pass. You know, we turn the ball over

833
00:39:06,547 --> 00:39:08,507
Speaker 30: in that first half a lot, and we're able to

834
00:39:08,547 --> 00:39:10,587
Speaker 30: build pressure and the game was slow because of it.

835
00:39:11,867 --> 00:39:14,147
Speaker 30: And then the last half an hour we becked ourselves

836
00:39:14,227 --> 00:39:17,187
Speaker 30: and pulled trigger and then you know, nailed all our

837
00:39:17,347 --> 00:39:20,387
Speaker 30: little catch pass stuff. So you know, whenever you hold

838
00:39:20,387 --> 00:39:21,947
Speaker 30: onto the boy, you're going to put teams under pressure.

839
00:39:21,947 --> 00:39:23,627
Speaker 30: I think we've talked about it before, pointing when we

840
00:39:23,707 --> 00:39:26,267
Speaker 30: have or haven't done it. So you know, some really

841
00:39:26,347 --> 00:39:29,227
Speaker 30: encouraging signs in the attack and that last half an hour.

842
00:39:29,667 --> 00:39:31,667
Speaker 3: Do you make these points to the players at halftime

843
00:39:31,827 --> 00:39:33,747
Speaker 3: or are they well aware of what they need to do.

844
00:39:35,187 --> 00:39:38,147
Speaker 30: Oh, if we need to you talk around skill sets

845
00:39:38,147 --> 00:39:41,827
Speaker 30: are in our concentration levels, but the mainly around you know,

846
00:39:42,067 --> 00:39:44,747
Speaker 30: instilling confidence to play and to keep playing and to

847
00:39:45,307 --> 00:39:47,267
Speaker 30: now little things like you know, we're a little bit

848
00:39:47,307 --> 00:39:50,027
Speaker 30: flat on the edges and in us giving a little

849
00:39:50,027 --> 00:39:52,027
Speaker 30: simple message around holding our feet a little bit then

850
00:39:52,067 --> 00:39:54,827
Speaker 30: helped skill sets. So boys are all over it. Boys

851
00:39:54,907 --> 00:39:56,827
Speaker 30: know know a lot of the things that they need

852
00:39:56,907 --> 00:39:59,467
Speaker 30: to do to adjust. And yeah, as I say that,

853
00:39:59,627 --> 00:40:00,187
Speaker 30: it really well.

854
00:40:00,107 --> 00:40:02,627
Speaker 3: In the in the second half, Ireland are very good

855
00:40:02,707 --> 00:40:05,947
Speaker 3: as the six nation sides typically are at at squeezing

856
00:40:05,987 --> 00:40:07,947
Speaker 3: app ying pressure sort of you know, trucking it up,

857
00:40:07,987 --> 00:40:09,907
Speaker 3: going up the gaps that sort of thing. What is

858
00:40:09,947 --> 00:40:12,427
Speaker 3: the best way to combat that without falling into in

859
00:40:12,547 --> 00:40:14,147
Speaker 3: discipline and frustration.

860
00:40:15,627 --> 00:40:15,827
Speaker 9: Yeah.

861
00:40:15,947 --> 00:40:19,187
Speaker 30: Look, they also rely heavily on that contestable kicking game,

862
00:40:19,227 --> 00:40:21,867
Speaker 30: don't they, And you know that it was a good

863
00:40:21,867 --> 00:40:23,227
Speaker 30: battle in the air and they won a few and

864
00:40:23,307 --> 00:40:24,907
Speaker 30: we want a few. But I think you've got to

865
00:40:25,427 --> 00:40:27,827
Speaker 30: make sure you don't give them those opportunities to win

866
00:40:27,947 --> 00:40:30,667
Speaker 30: back their own kicks and play against unstructured defense.

867
00:40:30,787 --> 00:40:32,787
Speaker 19: But you've got to back yourself.

868
00:40:32,787 --> 00:40:34,267
Speaker 30: You've got to back yourself to hold onto the ball

869
00:40:34,387 --> 00:40:38,267
Speaker 30: and make the mate tackles, make them infringe, and then

870
00:40:38,307 --> 00:40:40,947
Speaker 30: you can play and we find space after multiple phases.

871
00:40:41,027 --> 00:40:43,347
Speaker 30: So just a bit of confidence and a bit of

872
00:40:43,387 --> 00:40:45,947
Speaker 30: making sure that concentrate on what we want the all

873
00:40:45,987 --> 00:40:47,627
Speaker 30: Blecks to do well around our basic skills.

874
00:40:48,187 --> 00:40:49,907
Speaker 3: Did you feel as though you were starting to get

875
00:40:49,987 --> 00:40:52,707
Speaker 3: the upper hand when they stopped sort of that route

876
00:40:52,747 --> 00:40:54,987
Speaker 3: one staff tried to be a bit more creative, tried

877
00:40:55,027 --> 00:40:57,027
Speaker 3: to be a bit more expansive. Do you feel like

878
00:40:57,067 --> 00:40:58,827
Speaker 3: you're winning that battle when that happens.

879
00:41:00,107 --> 00:41:01,467
Speaker 19: Yeah, And I think we get in the balance.

880
00:41:01,507 --> 00:41:03,787
Speaker 30: Well, you know, we had some you know, with some

881
00:41:03,907 --> 00:41:06,067
Speaker 30: guys who carried the ball and got them behind really

882
00:41:06,147 --> 00:41:08,667
Speaker 30: well tonight. Obviously, you know, like obviously you know in

883
00:41:08,747 --> 00:41:10,867
Speaker 30: the midfield, you know, Quinn and Lester got us going

884
00:41:10,907 --> 00:41:13,747
Speaker 30: forward a lot of the time, and Caleb and then

885
00:41:13,787 --> 00:41:15,347
Speaker 30: our Lucy's and carried.

886
00:41:15,107 --> 00:41:16,867
Speaker 19: Really well, which meant that you can go wide.

887
00:41:16,987 --> 00:41:19,547
Speaker 30: So we're just got to keep in stilling the confidence

888
00:41:19,627 --> 00:41:22,867
Speaker 30: to back ourselves and hold onto the ball, and you

889
00:41:22,947 --> 00:41:24,107
Speaker 30: can see what we can do when we do.

890
00:41:24,227 --> 00:41:25,907
Speaker 6: And so that's just a bit of balance.

891
00:41:25,947 --> 00:41:28,347
Speaker 30: Ponty, I reckon, but I think you can't take away

892
00:41:28,387 --> 00:41:30,947
Speaker 30: from the point that you get strong carriers which gets

893
00:41:30,947 --> 00:41:32,787
Speaker 30: you over again on that extra half a meter makes

894
00:41:32,787 --> 00:41:34,427
Speaker 30: a big difference. Be at it, then get to edges.

895
00:41:35,187 --> 00:41:37,507
Speaker 3: Can you update us it all on on the injuries

896
00:41:37,587 --> 00:41:39,427
Speaker 3: to Scott and Jordi.

897
00:41:39,187 --> 00:41:45,387
Speaker 30: Barrett haven't had anything on Jordy's. He's wandering around but

898
00:41:45,747 --> 00:41:49,267
Speaker 30: obviously no more tomorrow. But Y Scott got a really

899
00:41:49,347 --> 00:41:50,907
Speaker 30: nasty cut. I'm sure how he got up, but it's

900
00:41:50,947 --> 00:41:52,547
Speaker 30: a really nasty cut with a big flap on it

901
00:41:52,667 --> 00:41:55,747
Speaker 30: on his knee. But I would think that there'll be

902
00:41:55,747 --> 00:41:57,747
Speaker 30: a good few stitches and that they'll probably either get

903
00:41:57,787 --> 00:42:00,027
Speaker 30: bandaged up or come out before next Saturday.

904
00:42:01,267 --> 00:42:03,587
Speaker 3: The team that finished the game, if you look at

905
00:42:03,627 --> 00:42:05,227
Speaker 3: it caps wise, I don't know, these guys have played

906
00:42:05,267 --> 00:42:06,707
Speaker 3: a lot of rugby, but they were quite a young

907
00:42:06,747 --> 00:42:08,427
Speaker 3: guys out there, guys who haven't played a heck of

908
00:42:08,427 --> 00:42:09,627
Speaker 3: a lot of rugby for the All Blacks.

909
00:42:10,347 --> 00:42:10,387
Speaker 28: Know.

910
00:42:11,147 --> 00:42:13,347
Speaker 3: How impressed are you that they were able to, you know,

911
00:42:13,427 --> 00:42:15,347
Speaker 3: in that last twenty minutes do what needed to be

912
00:42:15,427 --> 00:42:18,587
Speaker 3: done and and you know, and take on that responsibility

913
00:42:18,707 --> 00:42:21,947
Speaker 3: that that perhaps they haven't had the experience to do

914
00:42:22,107 --> 00:42:22,747
Speaker 3: up until now.

915
00:42:23,947 --> 00:42:26,147
Speaker 30: Yeah, it's a good observation, especially in the Ford's a.

916
00:42:26,347 --> 00:42:28,947
Speaker 30: There was a hell of a lot of you know,

917
00:42:29,027 --> 00:42:30,667
Speaker 30: guys with low caps in there. You know, you look

918
00:42:30,707 --> 00:42:33,787
Speaker 30: at fabes obviously who's who's been in and around for

919
00:42:33,867 --> 00:42:36,307
Speaker 30: the last for the last little bit. But Lordie coming

920
00:42:36,347 --> 00:42:39,667
Speaker 30: in I was outstanding. I thought when when Scoot went

921
00:42:39,747 --> 00:42:41,947
Speaker 30: off and then you look at the lousies, you know

922
00:42:42,067 --> 00:42:44,227
Speaker 30: with Simon, and then you bring on Wally and you

923
00:42:44,307 --> 00:42:47,987
Speaker 30: got Wally and Peat and Ards here. So that the

924
00:42:48,067 --> 00:42:50,627
Speaker 30: combination of of all the youngsters given lots of energy

925
00:42:50,667 --> 00:42:54,067
Speaker 30: and the Ards is in the and the Cody's given

926
00:42:54,067 --> 00:42:56,627
Speaker 30: it a bit of balance has been awesome. So yeah,

927
00:42:56,787 --> 00:42:58,667
Speaker 30: we did acknowledge that in the box around the young

928
00:42:58,787 --> 00:43:00,787
Speaker 30: the youngsters and that forward back especially.

929
00:43:01,427 --> 00:43:03,947
Speaker 3: There seems to be a bit of a routine where

930
00:43:03,987 --> 00:43:06,427
Speaker 3: a halfback might play an hour sixty five minutes and

931
00:43:06,467 --> 00:43:09,227
Speaker 3: then has replaced. I know you you know, you keep

932
00:43:09,267 --> 00:43:11,787
Speaker 3: eyes on GPS numbers and things like that. But Cam

933
00:43:11,907 --> 00:43:14,547
Speaker 3: Rogad stayed on to what the seventy seven, seventy eighth

934
00:43:14,627 --> 00:43:17,747
Speaker 3: minute is that deliberate chase? Is it deliberate that you

935
00:43:17,947 --> 00:43:20,467
Speaker 3: look at a guy like Cam who continues to impact

936
00:43:20,507 --> 00:43:22,467
Speaker 3: the game deep and say, we just don't want to

937
00:43:22,507 --> 00:43:23,187
Speaker 3: take this bloke off.

938
00:43:24,627 --> 00:43:27,427
Speaker 30: Ah, yep, I think that that's right. He's obviously we've

939
00:43:27,507 --> 00:43:29,747
Speaker 30: got full full confidence and tests to come on. But

940
00:43:30,827 --> 00:43:33,267
Speaker 30: Cam's is gone so good you leave mine? Like I think,

941
00:43:33,827 --> 00:43:35,947
Speaker 30: you know, the game decide, you know, helps you make

942
00:43:35,987 --> 00:43:38,267
Speaker 30: those decisions. The first half we felt was really slow.

943
00:43:38,347 --> 00:43:40,467
Speaker 30: It wasn't how we wanted to play, and with all

944
00:43:40,507 --> 00:43:42,227
Speaker 30: the all the stuff that was going on with the

945
00:43:42,307 --> 00:43:44,227
Speaker 30: TMO and the big screen and that the game was

946
00:43:44,267 --> 00:43:46,867
Speaker 30: a real stop start slow game. The boys and the

947
00:43:46,947 --> 00:43:49,707
Speaker 30: shed at halftime were you know, they're hardly blowing. So

948
00:43:50,747 --> 00:43:52,467
Speaker 30: that sort of helps you to if we see any

949
00:43:52,507 --> 00:43:54,667
Speaker 30: signs that Cam's slowing down, not getting to ruts quickly,

950
00:43:54,787 --> 00:43:57,307
Speaker 30: or starden to make a couple of errors, that might

951
00:43:57,347 --> 00:43:58,267
Speaker 30: trigger some decisions.

952
00:43:58,347 --> 00:44:01,187
Speaker 19: But I think he was still going pretty strong the

953
00:44:01,187 --> 00:44:01,747
Speaker 19: whole way through.

954
00:44:02,707 --> 00:44:04,707
Speaker 3: What was your view on the yellow card to Tiger

955
00:44:04,747 --> 00:44:06,987
Speaker 3: Burn that was then upgraded to it? Who are read.

956
00:44:08,867 --> 00:44:09,507
Speaker 22: It's the rules?

957
00:44:09,627 --> 00:44:12,747
Speaker 30: You know, I haven't had a really good look at it,

958
00:44:12,827 --> 00:44:15,307
Speaker 30: but just with a quick look, it looked like if

959
00:44:15,307 --> 00:44:17,147
Speaker 30: you don't lower your body height and you get get

960
00:44:17,187 --> 00:44:18,827
Speaker 30: the head contact, you're in danger. And so you just

961
00:44:18,907 --> 00:44:20,947
Speaker 30: got to avoid that you know, and I think just

962
00:44:21,027 --> 00:44:23,347
Speaker 30: looked like he was really upright, which is what you

963
00:44:23,427 --> 00:44:27,227
Speaker 30: need to avoid these days. So obviously not a not

964
00:44:27,347 --> 00:44:29,427
Speaker 30: a massive injury or anything, but it's just just the

965
00:44:29,467 --> 00:44:30,787
Speaker 30: way where the rules are out at the moment.

966
00:44:30,827 --> 00:44:31,107
Speaker 19: I think.

967
00:44:31,707 --> 00:44:34,027
Speaker 3: So in a defensive line like that, So your your

968
00:44:34,107 --> 00:44:37,107
Speaker 3: instruction to your guys defensively as to what is to

969
00:44:37,227 --> 00:44:40,507
Speaker 3: crouch basically is to is to lower your height even

970
00:44:40,587 --> 00:44:44,907
Speaker 3: before the attacking move begins from the other side, well

971
00:44:45,067 --> 00:44:46,147
Speaker 3: not not probably not that early.

972
00:44:46,227 --> 00:44:48,547
Speaker 30: It's a skill to be able to come forward and

973
00:44:48,947 --> 00:44:50,587
Speaker 30: you know that they have really good feet to be

974
00:44:50,627 --> 00:44:52,467
Speaker 30: able to lower your body height quickly. That's the skill

975
00:44:52,547 --> 00:44:54,507
Speaker 30: you need to teach and need to learn, or in

976
00:44:54,587 --> 00:44:57,187
Speaker 30: the ability to get your feet under you and have

977
00:44:57,347 --> 00:44:59,187
Speaker 30: that ability to drop your height to get a shoulder

978
00:44:59,267 --> 00:45:02,467
Speaker 30: on as quick as possible. And sometimes it's difficult, you

979
00:45:02,547 --> 00:45:05,387
Speaker 30: don't know who's going to get the ball, but yeah,

980
00:45:05,427 --> 00:45:06,027
Speaker 30: that's the skill of it.

981
00:45:06,387 --> 00:45:08,467
Speaker 19: You go, you just can't can't risk it these days?

982
00:45:09,147 --> 00:45:11,187
Speaker 3: How important to get away to win on this Grand

983
00:45:11,227 --> 00:45:13,587
Speaker 3: Slam Tour, Jase, I mean, we're you know, I'm sure

984
00:45:13,667 --> 00:45:16,747
Speaker 3: you're you're deeply committed to four wins from these four games,

985
00:45:17,107 --> 00:45:19,587
Speaker 3: you've got one out of the way against potentially your

986
00:45:19,667 --> 00:45:22,747
Speaker 3: toughest opponent. Although England look pretty good against Australia this morning.

987
00:45:22,827 --> 00:45:24,387
Speaker 3: Not sure you've seen that game. But how important was

988
00:45:24,427 --> 00:45:26,667
Speaker 3: it to get away with a win like this to

989
00:45:26,747 --> 00:45:28,067
Speaker 3: get things kickstarted?

990
00:45:29,267 --> 00:45:31,627
Speaker 30: Yeah, obviously really important when you first came out of

991
00:45:31,667 --> 00:45:34,187
Speaker 30: it away in the tour. You know, I think the

992
00:45:34,267 --> 00:45:36,907
Speaker 30: reality is every every single Test match is important as

993
00:45:37,467 --> 00:45:39,947
Speaker 30: the others. And but you know, as you say, coming

994
00:45:39,987 --> 00:45:44,427
Speaker 30: to Chicago, the Irish, with the history between the All

995
00:45:44,467 --> 00:45:46,107
Speaker 30: Blacks and the Irish, it's it's huge.

996
00:45:46,267 --> 00:45:47,947
Speaker 19: So we're allowed to get the win.

997
00:45:48,067 --> 00:45:50,507
Speaker 30: But I'm not sure how much of Scotland you've been

998
00:45:50,507 --> 00:45:53,987
Speaker 30: watching lately, but both Scotland England are gone pretty good.

999
00:45:54,107 --> 00:45:56,267
Speaker 19: So we're going to have to keep getting better.

1000
00:45:57,787 --> 00:45:58,707
Speaker 3: Why are you leaving?

1001
00:46:01,267 --> 00:46:03,707
Speaker 30: Look, mate, I'm just it's just time for something new

1002
00:46:03,787 --> 00:46:05,467
Speaker 30: at the moment. But I'm sort of got to the

1003
00:46:05,507 --> 00:46:10,667
Speaker 30: space now. We're loving, loving the prospect of the next

1004
00:46:10,707 --> 00:46:12,267
Speaker 30: three or four weeks and we've had a really good

1005
00:46:12,307 --> 00:46:15,387
Speaker 30: week and yeah, we'll see what We'll see what happens

1006
00:46:15,387 --> 00:46:16,827
Speaker 30: at the end of at the end of the tour.

1007
00:46:18,067 --> 00:46:21,707
Speaker 3: So you but so in saying that, so you you

1008
00:46:21,947 --> 00:46:24,307
Speaker 3: have are you willing to walk it back?

1009
00:46:26,067 --> 00:46:26,347
Speaker 17: What's that?

1010
00:46:26,427 --> 00:46:26,627
Speaker 2: Sorry?

1011
00:46:26,667 --> 00:46:27,667
Speaker 19: How do you mean by that, Bunny?

1012
00:46:28,347 --> 00:46:28,867
Speaker 22: I mean the.

1013
00:46:28,947 --> 00:46:31,547
Speaker 3: Decision to leave. Can you can you walk back the

1014
00:46:31,627 --> 00:46:34,587
Speaker 3: decision if the next three weeks go no no, no

1015
00:46:34,787 --> 00:46:36,587
Speaker 3: no no no no no no.

1016
00:46:36,827 --> 00:46:39,587
Speaker 30: We've We've had chats myself and Ray had chats along

1017
00:46:39,627 --> 00:46:43,507
Speaker 30: the way, and anyhow, I've just decided that it's yeah,

1018
00:46:43,587 --> 00:46:46,027
Speaker 30: we'll go in a different direction, but we'll see what

1019
00:46:46,107 --> 00:46:46,747
Speaker 30: happens are.

1020
00:46:47,307 --> 00:46:48,907
Speaker 19: We'll get through the next three weeks. Well, now that

1021
00:46:49,227 --> 00:46:51,387
Speaker 19: and keep this Green Slam.

1022
00:46:51,787 --> 00:46:53,787
Speaker 3: One dawn, three to go. Jase, thanks for joining us, mate,

1023
00:46:53,787 --> 00:46:56,907
Speaker 3: Always appreciate your time. All right, mate, see you later,

1024
00:46:57,267 --> 00:47:00,107
Speaker 3: all the best, Bye bye, Jason Holland, Assistant coach of

1025
00:47:00,187 --> 00:47:03,507
Speaker 3: the All Blacks. There your reaction to the game this morning.

1026
00:47:03,547 --> 00:47:05,667
Speaker 3: There's a lot to unpack, a lot to unpack with

1027
00:47:05,787 --> 00:47:08,747
Speaker 3: it the last twenty minutes. We've spoke about this before midday,

1028
00:47:08,827 --> 00:47:12,147
Speaker 3: but understand that you know some people haven't joined us

1029
00:47:12,227 --> 00:47:15,107
Speaker 3: until now. This is normally when we cand sport begins.

1030
00:47:15,747 --> 00:47:18,587
Speaker 3: So if you would like to jump on with your thoughts,

1031
00:47:18,627 --> 00:47:21,387
Speaker 3: I would greatly appreciate hearing them. A couple of observations

1032
00:47:21,387 --> 00:47:24,187
Speaker 3: for me before we go to the lines. That last

1033
00:47:24,227 --> 00:47:27,067
Speaker 3: twenty minutes was exactly what the All Blacks used to

1034
00:47:27,107 --> 00:47:29,947
Speaker 3: do to teams, right. It was what we were famous for.

1035
00:47:30,627 --> 00:47:33,987
Speaker 3: It is a hallmark of great All Black sides that

1036
00:47:34,387 --> 00:47:39,027
Speaker 3: after the hour mark, the other team knew that that

1037
00:47:39,307 --> 00:47:42,787
Speaker 3: was business time. As far as the All Blacks were concerned,

1038
00:47:43,667 --> 00:47:49,027
Speaker 3: that was the time when they had the ability, the fitness,

1039
00:47:49,427 --> 00:47:52,907
Speaker 3: the power, the precision, everything you need in the last

1040
00:47:52,947 --> 00:47:55,907
Speaker 3: twenty minutes, the cool headedness in the heat of the

1041
00:47:55,947 --> 00:47:59,867
Speaker 3: battle and in close matches to win matches, to win

1042
00:47:59,987 --> 00:48:01,947
Speaker 3: test matches. Look, I don't have the stats in front

1043
00:48:01,987 --> 00:48:07,067
Speaker 3: of me, but there must have been any number of

1044
00:48:07,187 --> 00:48:09,187
Speaker 3: times when the All Blacks were in a tight tussle

1045
00:48:09,627 --> 00:48:14,387
Speaker 3: as the clock ticked over an hour mark, and then

1046
00:48:14,507 --> 00:48:17,747
Speaker 3: the All Blacks got to work, set to work. After

1047
00:48:17,867 --> 00:48:22,747
Speaker 3: sixty two minutes. Today they were behind by thirteen points

1048
00:48:23,147 --> 00:48:27,547
Speaker 3: to seven, thirteen points to seven. Ireland were applying pressure

1049
00:48:28,187 --> 00:48:31,867
Speaker 3: that kicked a penalty to go thirteen seven ahead, and

1050
00:48:32,027 --> 00:48:37,867
Speaker 3: it was the tap and go penalty that saw Wallace

1051
00:48:37,907 --> 00:48:40,507
Speaker 3: to Titi go close and to Mighty William's score. That

1052
00:48:40,747 --> 00:48:44,947
Speaker 3: was the turning point. Really, we're given a penalty. Very

1053
00:48:45,107 --> 00:48:47,187
Speaker 3: rarely these days do you see a team tap and go.

1054
00:48:48,147 --> 00:48:51,387
Speaker 3: But Wallace ATTETI did to Mighty Williams scored. Quite how

1055
00:48:51,467 --> 00:48:53,947
Speaker 3: the referee saw it grounded, I don't know, but we

1056
00:48:54,027 --> 00:48:57,467
Speaker 3: could only assume that he did. And then Wallace a

1057
00:48:57,547 --> 00:49:00,107
Speaker 3: titi himself with the try. I didn't even actually see

1058
00:49:00,467 --> 00:49:05,347
Speaker 3: Damien McKenzie come on, but there he was going through

1059
00:49:05,387 --> 00:49:07,667
Speaker 3: a gap and feeding some on his inside, and then

1060
00:49:08,067 --> 00:49:10,387
Speaker 3: came Roy Guard at the end, just putting a seal

1061
00:49:10,427 --> 00:49:14,307
Speaker 3: on it. And great to see, great to see that

1062
00:49:14,387 --> 00:49:17,067
Speaker 3: they just keep Cam roy Gut on. For me, he's

1063
00:49:17,347 --> 00:49:20,027
Speaker 3: the kind of player who's he's an eighty minute half back.

1064
00:49:20,387 --> 00:49:22,947
Speaker 3: And I know the Hurricanes have have worked along these

1065
00:49:23,027 --> 00:49:26,747
Speaker 3: lines for a while that if Camera Guard's going well,

1066
00:49:26,787 --> 00:49:29,507
Speaker 3: they just leave him on because there is a noticeable

1067
00:49:29,587 --> 00:49:31,827
Speaker 3: drop off when he comes off. Nothing against the other

1068
00:49:31,947 --> 00:49:35,307
Speaker 3: Hurricanes halfbacks and nothing against the other All Blacks halfbacks.

1069
00:49:36,827 --> 00:49:40,067
Speaker 3: But came Roy Guard has opened up a gap between

1070
00:49:40,147 --> 00:49:43,227
Speaker 3: himself and the rest and if you can get value

1071
00:49:43,267 --> 00:49:46,347
Speaker 3: out of him, deep deep deep into matches, then you do,

1072
00:49:46,507 --> 00:49:46,787
Speaker 3: don't you.

1073
00:49:47,227 --> 00:49:47,667
Speaker 22: I've eight one.

1074
00:49:47,627 --> 00:49:49,787
Speaker 3: Hundred and eighty ten eighty. Let's go to the lines. Ian,

1075
00:49:49,827 --> 00:49:52,307
Speaker 3: Hi mate, Hi.

1076
00:49:52,347 --> 00:49:57,667
Speaker 31: Jase here again, good Ian. I did hear one of

1077
00:49:57,747 --> 00:50:03,867
Speaker 31: your previous callers just before midday about the referring situation. Now,

1078
00:50:03,947 --> 00:50:06,187
Speaker 31: I know we've got a top tier of eight or

1079
00:50:06,427 --> 00:50:09,827
Speaker 31: ten teams in the world, top sort of thing. Now,

1080
00:50:09,907 --> 00:50:14,547
Speaker 31: in my view, we should have the same thing with referees.

1081
00:50:15,267 --> 00:50:18,627
Speaker 31: Let's say top five for example. I don't care who

1082
00:50:18,747 --> 00:50:22,227
Speaker 31: they referee or where they come from, but you put

1083
00:50:22,307 --> 00:50:26,907
Speaker 31: them like today your Black's Island. I don't care who

1084
00:50:26,987 --> 00:50:33,147
Speaker 31: it was, Angus Kat whoever, but the players deserve the

1085
00:50:33,267 --> 00:50:38,347
Speaker 31: best in the fans deserve better. Apart from this shambles

1086
00:50:38,387 --> 00:50:41,747
Speaker 31: this morning, you know, I'm just over this refeerrering dramma

1087
00:50:42,227 --> 00:50:46,307
Speaker 31: just giving them a game against your Black's Island. I

1088
00:50:46,427 --> 00:50:49,147
Speaker 31: think it was ruined by that personally, what.

1089
00:50:49,587 --> 00:50:52,347
Speaker 3: Some decisions in particular, And because if we're talking about

1090
00:50:52,347 --> 00:50:54,707
Speaker 3: the yellow cart up greater to red, that's not the referee.

1091
00:50:55,107 --> 00:50:57,827
Speaker 3: That's the TMO on the side or the foul play

1092
00:50:58,747 --> 00:51:00,747
Speaker 3: bloke up in the box who's making those calls.

1093
00:51:01,667 --> 00:51:01,867
Speaker 22: Yep.

1094
00:51:02,627 --> 00:51:04,747
Speaker 31: But what I'm talking to me out here, Jason, is

1095
00:51:05,787 --> 00:51:12,067
Speaker 31: the referee selection. Like against first tier teams, top sort

1096
00:51:12,107 --> 00:51:14,507
Speaker 31: of things get the best of the best, and as

1097
00:51:14,587 --> 00:51:18,187
Speaker 31: I said, I don't care where they come from. You know,

1098
00:51:18,387 --> 00:51:21,227
Speaker 31: the players deserve it, the fans deserve it. Get the

1099
00:51:21,387 --> 00:51:26,187
Speaker 31: top five referees that are going around, so they get

1100
00:51:26,267 --> 00:51:30,827
Speaker 31: selected for you know, these tops matches, top sort of thing.

1101
00:51:31,347 --> 00:51:34,427
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you, and I mean we all appreciate

1102
00:51:34,507 --> 00:51:36,347
Speaker 3: that you need to develop referees. I'm on your side

1103
00:51:36,387 --> 00:51:38,787
Speaker 3: on this end. You're right, you know, for big test matches,

1104
00:51:39,867 --> 00:51:43,187
Speaker 3: you know, the best referees should be in charge. And

1105
00:51:43,267 --> 00:51:45,267
Speaker 3: that's how they do World Cups, isn't it. They work

1106
00:51:45,347 --> 00:51:47,787
Speaker 3: their way through and the cream rises to the top

1107
00:51:47,827 --> 00:51:50,427
Speaker 3: and quarter final, semi finals, finals are always refereed by

1108
00:51:50,467 --> 00:51:52,507
Speaker 3: the blokes that you've just talked about, the top half

1109
00:51:52,507 --> 00:51:53,507
Speaker 3: a dozen guys in the world.

1110
00:51:54,387 --> 00:52:00,267
Speaker 31: Absolutely, and I think that's my personal opinion. I think

1111
00:52:00,307 --> 00:52:02,147
Speaker 31: world rugby really has to look at this.

1112
00:52:04,227 --> 00:52:04,467
Speaker 22: Ian.

1113
00:52:04,507 --> 00:52:06,307
Speaker 3: Thanks for your call, mate, oh eight hundred and eight.

1114
00:52:08,027 --> 00:52:11,227
Speaker 3: I don't want this to be about officiating necessarily, but

1115
00:52:11,827 --> 00:52:17,427
Speaker 3: the red card. Just before we go on, Aaron says, point,

1116
00:52:17,427 --> 00:52:19,067
Speaker 3: are you going to analyze the game of rugby against

1117
00:52:19,067 --> 00:52:21,107
Speaker 3: the fourteen man team? I turned the game off after

1118
00:52:21,147 --> 00:52:24,347
Speaker 3: they lost the player, Aaron, they did get their player back.

1119
00:52:25,307 --> 00:52:28,027
Speaker 3: It's a twenty minute red card. So they didn't play

1120
00:52:29,987 --> 00:52:34,987
Speaker 3: seventy eight minutes against fourteen. They played sixty minutes against fourteen.

1121
00:52:35,067 --> 00:52:38,027
Speaker 3: So I think we can probably analyze it as a contest.

1122
00:52:38,387 --> 00:52:42,587
Speaker 3: But I understand the rule, right, I understand the rule,

1123
00:52:42,587 --> 00:52:45,027
Speaker 3: and we all understand the rule. We've talked about it verbatim.

1124
00:52:45,907 --> 00:52:48,347
Speaker 3: That's the wrong We've talked about it ad nauseum. That's

1125
00:52:48,387 --> 00:52:51,107
Speaker 3: the right phrase. I got the wrong phrase. We've talked

1126
00:52:51,107 --> 00:52:56,627
Speaker 3: about it ad nauseum. But there's no feel for the game.

1127
00:52:57,987 --> 00:53:00,907
Speaker 3: What is Tiger Burns supposed to do in that situation?

1128
00:53:01,947 --> 00:53:07,467
Speaker 3: Just talking to Jason Holland there, and when think when

1129
00:53:07,467 --> 00:53:09,907
Speaker 3: you're so close to the base of a ruck and

1130
00:53:10,027 --> 00:53:12,347
Speaker 3: you know that players are going to go on to

1131
00:53:12,427 --> 00:53:14,987
Speaker 3: the attack, is that what you're supposed to do? Crouch down?

1132
00:53:15,147 --> 00:53:17,907
Speaker 3: Or as Jason said, is it a skill to be

1133
00:53:17,987 --> 00:53:22,667
Speaker 3: able to crouch or lower yourself as the ball carrier

1134
00:53:22,787 --> 00:53:27,627
Speaker 3: is coming towards you. It is probably and an open play.

1135
00:53:27,707 --> 00:53:30,787
Speaker 3: I totally get it. But in a situation like that,

1136
00:53:30,947 --> 00:53:34,507
Speaker 3: Tiger burn has a split second to make that decision

1137
00:53:34,947 --> 00:53:37,387
Speaker 3: or to do or to complete that action, not make

1138
00:53:37,827 --> 00:53:39,787
Speaker 3: the decision well he comes bone and barrels. I better

1139
00:53:39,867 --> 00:53:43,747
Speaker 3: get my body height down. How on earth is he

1140
00:53:43,827 --> 00:53:46,827
Speaker 3: supposed to make that, you know, make that judgment that quickly?

1141
00:53:47,907 --> 00:53:54,467
Speaker 3: Bona Marr spaces run into him. He's just run into him. Uh,

1142
00:53:55,987 --> 00:54:00,467
Speaker 3: no feel for the game. And they everybody looked astonished

1143
00:54:00,507 --> 00:54:02,547
Speaker 3: when I mean, are the yellow cart? Okay, yellow cart?

1144
00:54:03,107 --> 00:54:05,747
Speaker 3: But when it was upgraded to red? Where is the

1145
00:54:05,827 --> 00:54:08,747
Speaker 3: high degree of danger? Really? There isn't that what we're

1146
00:54:08,747 --> 00:54:12,427
Speaker 3: supposed to have for red cards? A high degree of danger?

1147
00:54:14,187 --> 00:54:18,107
Speaker 3: Twelve twenty four oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Hi Joe.

1148
00:54:19,787 --> 00:54:22,387
Speaker 11: Yeah again, Bonnie, Yeah, look, there's no way that was

1149
00:54:22,427 --> 00:54:25,787
Speaker 11: a red card, mate, Look in the letters to the law. Yes,

1150
00:54:25,867 --> 00:54:28,627
Speaker 11: he didn't. He didn't wrap his arms around, so he

1151
00:54:28,787 --> 00:54:32,747
Speaker 11: used his shoulders or he just he just what's the

1152
00:54:32,827 --> 00:54:36,467
Speaker 11: name himself faced himself and okay, you can you turn

1153
00:54:36,507 --> 00:54:39,667
Speaker 11: around and go Well, he didn't use his arms and

1154
00:54:39,747 --> 00:54:43,267
Speaker 11: it was sort of like shoulders. So that's a yellow card.

1155
00:54:43,387 --> 00:54:44,987
Speaker 11: Or I thought it was a penaly that's about all

1156
00:54:45,227 --> 00:54:48,267
Speaker 11: Boat and Barrett didn't go off bone. Barrett wasn't knocked out,

1157
00:54:48,587 --> 00:54:50,867
Speaker 11: he didn't go off. There's no way in the world

1158
00:54:50,907 --> 00:54:53,587
Speaker 11: that's a red card. And I'm a I'm a new filmer,

1159
00:54:53,707 --> 00:54:56,787
Speaker 11: not a you know. I mean, you know, he didn't,

1160
00:54:56,827 --> 00:55:00,627
Speaker 11: let's be fair, that's that was just ridiculous. The yellow

1161
00:55:00,707 --> 00:55:03,867
Speaker 11: card possibly at the most. I looked at it and

1162
00:55:03,907 --> 00:55:07,027
Speaker 11: I went, oh, I'm not get it. Yellow only because

1163
00:55:07,027 --> 00:55:09,587
Speaker 11: he didn't break. He braced and didn't put his arms

1164
00:55:09,627 --> 00:55:11,387
Speaker 11: around the guy. So he wasn't making attack of he

1165
00:55:11,507 --> 00:55:14,707
Speaker 11: just he braced and it was accidental. The All Blacks

1166
00:55:14,907 --> 00:55:16,867
Speaker 11: was very clunky for the first sixty minutes in the

1167
00:55:16,947 --> 00:55:20,227
Speaker 11: back and I thought, once again, but in the last

1168
00:55:20,267 --> 00:55:22,387
Speaker 11: twenty they did show when they hang on to the

1169
00:55:22,427 --> 00:55:24,907
Speaker 11: football and I've been saying this for a wawfully when

1170
00:55:24,947 --> 00:55:26,827
Speaker 11: they hang on to the football and we run the

1171
00:55:26,867 --> 00:55:30,187
Speaker 11: ball in the last twenty. He did right in the

1172
00:55:30,307 --> 00:55:34,427
Speaker 11: last twenty. For the last ten years or before this,

1173
00:55:34,587 --> 00:55:37,547
Speaker 11: So the last seven years we were a side that

1174
00:55:37,587 --> 00:55:40,147
Speaker 11: would run teams off their feet in the last twenty

1175
00:55:40,187 --> 00:55:42,947
Speaker 11: and win games. And that's what we haven't been doing.

1176
00:55:43,707 --> 00:55:45,987
Speaker 11: Now we start well today we started to do it.

1177
00:55:46,187 --> 00:55:48,947
Speaker 11: But don't get me wrong, and no disrespect to the Irish,

1178
00:55:49,507 --> 00:55:52,227
Speaker 11: but they're aside on the way down. I don't believe

1179
00:55:52,227 --> 00:55:55,987
Speaker 11: they are a side on the way up. I think

1180
00:55:56,027 --> 00:56:00,667
Speaker 11: they'll struggle against Australia and against South Africa and they

1181
00:56:00,747 --> 00:56:02,187
Speaker 11: need to make some changes as well.

1182
00:56:03,187 --> 00:56:07,867
Speaker 3: And yeah, a lot very good ver Ry, sorry Jo,

1183
00:56:08,027 --> 00:56:09,427
Speaker 3: just on that just before you move on from the

1184
00:56:09,547 --> 00:56:13,067
Speaker 3: from the Irish point, they are badly in need of

1185
00:56:13,107 --> 00:56:15,987
Speaker 3: regeneration that team. They are. There are some there are

1186
00:56:16,027 --> 00:56:18,467
Speaker 3: some players there who I think if they stick with

1187
00:56:19,107 --> 00:56:21,067
Speaker 3: through this World Cup cycle to the next one, it

1188
00:56:21,067 --> 00:56:23,467
Speaker 3: will be to their detriment. They do to me look

1189
00:56:23,587 --> 00:56:26,307
Speaker 3: like a side that needs a bit of regeneration anyway, sorry,

1190
00:56:26,347 --> 00:56:27,507
Speaker 3: carry on our locks.

1191
00:56:28,107 --> 00:56:30,547
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, yeah, our locks are very good. You know,

1192
00:56:30,707 --> 00:56:34,347
Speaker 11: young they came on. There's a lot of pressure on

1193
00:56:34,427 --> 00:56:36,907
Speaker 11: the captain. You know, some people say shouldn't be captain

1194
00:56:36,987 --> 00:56:38,907
Speaker 11: or whatever. At the end of the day that they're

1195
00:56:38,907 --> 00:56:41,107
Speaker 11: going to stick with that so it's not going to change.

1196
00:56:41,147 --> 00:56:42,747
Speaker 11: But I tell you what, there is pressure on him

1197
00:56:42,787 --> 00:56:45,307
Speaker 11: now from those locks coming through and the young ones,

1198
00:56:45,347 --> 00:56:47,467
Speaker 11: and that's that's a good thing. The more game time

1199
00:56:47,507 --> 00:56:51,347
Speaker 11: they get, the Josh Lords and that and and what's on.

1200
00:56:51,507 --> 00:56:55,827
Speaker 11: They got Player of the day, you know, they they

1201
00:56:55,867 --> 00:57:00,147
Speaker 11: went really well and so did our our Lucy's, our Fords.

1202
00:57:00,507 --> 00:57:02,747
Speaker 11: You know, I'm just a little bit concerned about the backs.

1203
00:57:02,947 --> 00:57:07,147
Speaker 11: When we scored that Troy SETI scored that Troy Burden.

1204
00:57:07,187 --> 00:57:11,067
Speaker 11: Barrick came from from ten meters back, you know what

1205
00:57:11,107 --> 00:57:13,547
Speaker 11: I mean. And then he saw that he had more

1206
00:57:13,627 --> 00:57:15,627
Speaker 11: time to see the guy coming up quick, so he

1207
00:57:15,667 --> 00:57:17,827
Speaker 11: stepped and then he put McKenzie in the hole. And

1208
00:57:17,907 --> 00:57:21,227
Speaker 11: I'll tell you what. McKenzie makes the massive difference when

1209
00:57:21,267 --> 00:57:23,987
Speaker 11: he comes on. You know why, pony, because when he

1210
00:57:24,067 --> 00:57:27,667
Speaker 11: gets the football, he will run it anything, anywhere, anytime,

1211
00:57:28,147 --> 00:57:31,707
Speaker 11: and he creates habit in the opposition defense. So if

1212
00:57:31,747 --> 00:57:34,787
Speaker 11: you're coaching, you're going this guy's coming on. God, he

1213
00:57:35,307 --> 00:57:38,787
Speaker 11: could be anywhere anytime. He can bust them open at anytime.

1214
00:57:39,187 --> 00:57:41,267
Speaker 11: A little bit if you don't get me, don't get

1215
00:57:41,267 --> 00:57:44,587
Speaker 11: me wrong, but a little bit like Reece Walh just

1216
00:57:45,227 --> 00:57:47,707
Speaker 11: just plays off the cuff. To tell you what, very

1217
00:57:47,867 --> 00:57:50,307
Speaker 11: very dangerous when he comes on, and he makes a

1218
00:57:50,427 --> 00:57:54,667
Speaker 11: massive difference every time he comes on at first five

1219
00:57:55,027 --> 00:57:57,707
Speaker 11: or where you want to put him. And the last thing,

1220
00:57:57,707 --> 00:57:59,667
Speaker 11: I just like to say, you don't have to take

1221
00:57:59,747 --> 00:58:01,587
Speaker 11: guys of if you did right, you leave the half

1222
00:58:01,667 --> 00:58:03,787
Speaker 11: back on, You leave him on for the full game.

1223
00:58:04,067 --> 00:58:07,467
Speaker 11: You do not have to take him off. And Quentin too, Pie.

1224
00:58:07,747 --> 00:58:10,507
Speaker 11: They need to keep to this back line that they've picked.

1225
00:58:11,147 --> 00:58:14,067
Speaker 11: And Quentin Treo Pie is very very good over the

1226
00:58:14,147 --> 00:58:16,787
Speaker 11: ball when he makes a tackle, so he'll make a

1227
00:58:16,867 --> 00:58:19,427
Speaker 11: tackle and then straight up gets up over the ball

1228
00:58:19,507 --> 00:58:21,467
Speaker 11: like another loose fort. He did it, did it there

1229
00:58:21,507 --> 00:58:23,027
Speaker 11: and got us a penalty and got us on the

1230
00:58:23,187 --> 00:58:25,347
Speaker 11: on the subpot. Very very very good.

1231
00:58:25,267 --> 00:58:28,947
Speaker 3: Footbot, good stuff, Joe. You read my notes about Damien McKenzie.

1232
00:58:28,947 --> 00:58:31,627
Speaker 3: I've written it down here. Damian McKenzie's best use is

1233
00:58:31,667 --> 00:58:34,547
Speaker 3: off the bench, and you know it's not rocket science,

1234
00:58:34,667 --> 00:58:36,947
Speaker 3: is it. But you're right. He comes on and opposition

1235
00:58:37,027 --> 00:58:41,267
Speaker 3: players must go, what's what's he going to do? And

1236
00:58:41,627 --> 00:58:44,467
Speaker 3: he's just got that ability late in games in particular

1237
00:58:44,587 --> 00:58:47,787
Speaker 3: to find space, run and broke and play and as

1238
00:58:47,827 --> 00:58:51,427
Speaker 3: he did this morning, set up Trice the one for Wallace. Satiti.

1239
00:58:51,627 --> 00:58:54,867
Speaker 3: I think you're right about our locks too, Joe Fabi

1240
00:58:54,947 --> 00:58:59,667
Speaker 3: and Holland Scott Barrett Patrick TWI Polotu to Paul Va,

1241
00:59:00,387 --> 00:59:05,907
Speaker 3: Josh Lord, Sam Dowry. That's six straight away that we have.

1242
00:59:06,427 --> 00:59:08,907
Speaker 3: I think Josh Lord will may well look back at

1243
00:59:08,947 --> 00:59:12,707
Speaker 3: this morning's Test match as as a pivotal moment in

1244
00:59:12,787 --> 00:59:15,227
Speaker 3: his All Black's career. He's been in and out of

1245
00:59:15,307 --> 00:59:18,867
Speaker 3: the side, Josh Lord, with injury and unavailability, and I

1246
00:59:18,907 --> 00:59:22,787
Speaker 3: don't think he's ever really delivered on his obvious promise.

1247
00:59:23,667 --> 00:59:27,387
Speaker 3: But this morning, thrown in way way earlier than he

1248
00:59:27,427 --> 00:59:32,987
Speaker 3: would have expected, he delivered a big performance. And that's

1249
00:59:33,027 --> 00:59:35,907
Speaker 3: what That's what being an All Black is. Isn't it

1250
00:59:37,347 --> 00:59:40,827
Speaker 3: taking chances, being excellent when you get out there? And

1251
00:59:40,867 --> 00:59:44,027
Speaker 3: I thought he was Josh Lord twelve twenty nine, Peter Police,

1252
00:59:44,027 --> 00:59:46,027
Speaker 3: hold with you right after this spear line has just

1253
00:59:46,147 --> 00:59:49,107
Speaker 3: opened up. One hundred and eighty Back with more of

1254
00:59:49,147 --> 00:59:50,587
Speaker 3: your calls on the All Blacks when we come back

1255
00:59:50,587 --> 00:59:51,587
Speaker 3: on Weekend Sport No.

1256
00:59:51,787 --> 00:59:51,947
Speaker 22: One.

1257
00:59:52,147 --> 00:59:57,347
Speaker 1: Crutch hold Ngage Weekend Sports with Jason Pain and GJ.

1258
00:59:57,547 --> 01:00:01,067
Speaker 2: Gunnerhomes, New Zealand's first trusted home builder. News talks to.

1259
01:00:01,107 --> 01:00:04,027
Speaker 4: Bailey Williams out the back for Bodenpara. Now there's a

1260
01:00:04,027 --> 01:00:07,187
Speaker 4: little bit of space ense. He takes the ball, the twenty.

1261
01:00:10,267 --> 01:00:14,467
Speaker 5: Ride, the over ride, the sixteen, the Old Black League

1262
01:00:14,947 --> 01:00:15,947
Speaker 5: nineteen thirty.

1263
01:00:16,987 --> 01:00:19,387
Speaker 3: Come there you go. Damien McKenzie off the bench and

1264
01:00:19,667 --> 01:00:22,307
Speaker 3: making his impact. Eight hundred and eighty ten. Eighty's our

1265
01:00:22,387 --> 01:00:24,827
Speaker 3: number to jump aboard the conversation. Hello, Peter.

1266
01:00:26,627 --> 01:00:30,587
Speaker 17: Paroney, Uh, I just interested in your thoughts on Bowden Barrett.

1267
01:00:31,667 --> 01:00:37,067
Speaker 17: He's you know, he's obviously an extremely skilled player, but

1268
01:00:37,187 --> 01:00:39,467
Speaker 17: I think the coacher should tell him that he's not

1269
01:00:39,507 --> 01:00:41,827
Speaker 17: allowed to kick. I mean, let him work his magic,

1270
01:00:42,147 --> 01:00:44,707
Speaker 17: but but don't kick. I mean, what was up with

1271
01:00:44,787 --> 01:00:48,227
Speaker 17: that kick in the last five or ten minutes where

1272
01:00:48,227 --> 01:00:50,747
Speaker 17: he kicked the ball dead. I mean there's a perfect

1273
01:00:50,747 --> 01:00:54,067
Speaker 17: opportunity for the All Blacks to score again and he

1274
01:00:54,187 --> 01:00:56,067
Speaker 17: just kicked the thing away. I mean he's a professional

1275
01:00:56,187 --> 01:01:00,387
Speaker 17: player and he's experienced, one of the most experienced, and

1276
01:01:00,467 --> 01:01:02,067
Speaker 17: yet he can just steal a loose kick like that.

1277
01:01:03,307 --> 01:01:05,347
Speaker 17: Is he lost focus? As he is he losing his

1278
01:01:05,547 --> 01:01:08,907
Speaker 17: enthusiasm for the game. What's going on? And mister kick

1279
01:01:08,947 --> 01:01:11,787
Speaker 17: it goal? I mean other players can kick for touch

1280
01:01:12,147 --> 01:01:15,667
Speaker 17: after a penalty. They don't need him for that. And

1281
01:01:15,907 --> 01:01:18,227
Speaker 17: the commentator did sa at one point when he kicked it.

1282
01:01:19,147 --> 01:01:22,627
Speaker 17: Oh that's a bit of anameless kick. And you know

1283
01:01:23,307 --> 01:01:26,267
Speaker 17: they are respected up with him. Got to back down

1284
01:01:26,347 --> 01:01:29,787
Speaker 17: more willblecks. So I mean, I don't get it.

1285
01:01:31,507 --> 01:01:33,547
Speaker 3: I don't think he's lost his enthusiasm for the game.

1286
01:01:33,707 --> 01:01:37,347
Speaker 3: I don't think that's what's happened. I don't see that

1287
01:01:37,547 --> 01:01:41,347
Speaker 3: in him. I think he's had a mixed year. If

1288
01:01:41,347 --> 01:01:45,107
Speaker 3: I'm honest, Peter, I think he's you know, he's he's

1289
01:01:45,147 --> 01:01:47,907
Speaker 3: the I just think he's still the best choice at

1290
01:01:48,027 --> 01:01:50,107
Speaker 3: number ten for the reasons I just talked about with

1291
01:01:50,227 --> 01:01:53,347
Speaker 3: Damien McKenzie. I wonder what will happen next year when

1292
01:01:53,427 --> 01:01:57,587
Speaker 3: Richie Mouwonga comes back. I think that is a real

1293
01:01:58,547 --> 01:02:01,187
Speaker 3: seminal moment in the career of Boden Barrett. Next year,

1294
01:02:01,227 --> 01:02:03,987
Speaker 3: when Richie Wonger comes back, clearly a favorite of Razor,

1295
01:02:04,547 --> 01:02:06,587
Speaker 3: he's chased him very, very hard to get him back.

1296
01:02:07,307 --> 01:02:10,067
Speaker 3: I wonder what Boden Barrett's role to play will be

1297
01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:14,547
Speaker 3: next year and into twenty twenty seven. And having said that,

1298
01:02:15,227 --> 01:02:17,187
Speaker 3: you'd want to make a good impression, wouldn't you. And

1299
01:02:17,987 --> 01:02:19,987
Speaker 3: you know, as you say, Boden Barrett's a very experienced player.

1300
01:02:20,067 --> 01:02:22,867
Speaker 3: But I think he has probably by his own admission,

1301
01:02:23,227 --> 01:02:25,467
Speaker 3: had a mixed year in the ten jumper.

1302
01:02:27,027 --> 01:02:30,987
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, fair enough. I also don't get this idea

1303
01:02:31,027 --> 01:02:33,067
Speaker 17: of kicking the ball away and you know that's it's

1304
01:02:33,067 --> 01:02:35,867
Speaker 17: a fifty to fifty call, Well, for us, I think

1305
01:02:35,907 --> 01:02:39,187
Speaker 17: it's probably seventy five twenty five and we're the twenty fives,

1306
01:02:39,627 --> 01:02:40,427
Speaker 17: So what's the point.

1307
01:02:41,107 --> 01:02:43,827
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, you're talking about the contestable cocks. Yes,

1308
01:02:44,107 --> 01:02:47,347
Speaker 3: I mean the k Yeah, the kicks for territory are fine.

1309
01:02:47,387 --> 01:02:50,107
Speaker 3: I'm cool with the kexs for territory better pushing, you know,

1310
01:02:50,307 --> 01:02:52,627
Speaker 3: pushing teams back, making them play out from their own

1311
01:02:52,827 --> 01:02:55,147
Speaker 3: twenty two. I'm as long as the kicking is accurate,

1312
01:02:55,307 --> 01:02:58,067
Speaker 3: I'm totally cool with that. Yeah, the contestable kicks, especially

1313
01:02:58,067 --> 01:03:00,427
Speaker 3: from the base of the right, I'm just completely over

1314
01:03:00,467 --> 01:03:04,227
Speaker 3: those now. I must admit you're right. You're right, it's

1315
01:03:04,267 --> 01:03:06,827
Speaker 3: not really fifty to fifty. I think actually today there wasn't.

1316
01:03:06,867 --> 01:03:08,587
Speaker 3: There wasn't as much of it as there has been

1317
01:03:08,667 --> 01:03:12,267
Speaker 3: this year. I didn't write it down today box kicking.

1318
01:03:12,307 --> 01:03:14,227
Speaker 3: I didn't write it down on my notes, which is

1319
01:03:14,267 --> 01:03:17,387
Speaker 3: perhaps a good thing. But yeah, no, I sort of

1320
01:03:17,427 --> 01:03:19,507
Speaker 3: feel in situations like that you keep the ball in hand.

1321
01:03:19,547 --> 01:03:21,867
Speaker 3: But yeah, in terms of kicking for territory, I'm okay

1322
01:03:21,947 --> 01:03:22,547
Speaker 3: with them doing.

1323
01:03:22,467 --> 01:03:27,747
Speaker 17: That, you know, just working the ball and yeah, anyway,

1324
01:03:28,587 --> 01:03:28,867
Speaker 17: enjoy it.

1325
01:03:29,987 --> 01:03:31,387
Speaker 3: Good on you, mate. I appreciate it. No, I appreciate

1326
01:03:31,427 --> 01:03:32,947
Speaker 3: you calling, and Peter, thanks for taking the time.

1327
01:03:33,467 --> 01:03:33,627
Speaker 22: Dave.

1328
01:03:33,707 --> 01:03:38,387
Speaker 15: Hi, Oh good Jason. On my first time call, I

1329
01:03:38,947 --> 01:03:41,387
Speaker 15: would normally just be happy to listen to the comments

1330
01:03:41,467 --> 01:03:44,867
Speaker 15: and enjoy the entertainment, but I felt compelled to call

1331
01:03:46,067 --> 01:03:50,187
Speaker 15: the foul play people. They just not got it right.

1332
01:03:50,907 --> 01:03:54,267
Speaker 15: Something needs to change, otherwise they're going to lose a

1333
01:03:54,307 --> 01:03:58,107
Speaker 15: lot of supporters of the game. I am a rugby

1334
01:03:58,707 --> 01:04:02,387
Speaker 15: crazy guy. My ways, my head is a rugby ball.

1335
01:04:04,107 --> 01:04:07,467
Speaker 15: I've always I've always thoughted the All Blacks every game

1336
01:04:08,507 --> 01:04:13,387
Speaker 15: and incident where the Irishman got sent from the field

1337
01:04:14,587 --> 01:04:18,987
Speaker 15: and I was almost about to turn the TV off,

1338
01:04:19,547 --> 01:04:21,987
Speaker 15: and then when it was upgraded to red, I did

1339
01:04:22,587 --> 01:04:25,627
Speaker 15: turn it off, went outside to do some gardening, and

1340
01:04:26,147 --> 01:04:29,467
Speaker 15: I thought, I just can't, I just can't watch this

1341
01:04:29,507 --> 01:04:32,627
Speaker 15: sort of stuff. It's it's the James. Game's gone mad

1342
01:04:32,747 --> 01:04:35,427
Speaker 15: and the officials are gone mad, and it's driving people

1343
01:04:35,467 --> 01:04:36,347
Speaker 15: away from watching.

1344
01:04:36,147 --> 01:04:39,387
Speaker 3: The game, especially someone like yourself, Dave, who was a

1345
01:04:39,747 --> 01:04:43,107
Speaker 3: self confessed rugby head. If someone like you was being

1346
01:04:43,187 --> 01:04:46,187
Speaker 3: driven away from the game, then think about how difficult

1347
01:04:46,267 --> 01:04:50,947
Speaker 3: it is to convert new fans or just casual fans.

1348
01:04:51,507 --> 01:04:53,547
Speaker 3: If someone like you, who are so deeply invested in

1349
01:04:53,627 --> 01:04:57,627
Speaker 3: the game is going outside to do some gardening when

1350
01:04:57,667 --> 01:04:59,427
Speaker 3: an All Blacks test is on, then that is a

1351
01:04:59,587 --> 01:05:01,627
Speaker 3: red flag of the highest order.

1352
01:05:02,907 --> 01:05:06,987
Speaker 15: Absolutely. I mean the guy was, he was protect thing himself.

1353
01:05:07,107 --> 01:05:10,907
Speaker 15: He had no time to react effectively. Bowden head butted

1354
01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:14,627
Speaker 15: the guy on the shoulder, you know, and you know

1355
01:05:14,747 --> 01:05:17,067
Speaker 15: from a forward pass, and I don't know what you're

1356
01:05:17,067 --> 01:05:19,787
Speaker 15: supposed to do as a player, and then for that

1357
01:05:19,907 --> 01:05:22,067
Speaker 15: to be turned into a red it's just blue, Chris,

1358
01:05:22,627 --> 01:05:23,467
Speaker 15: That's what I've got to say.

1359
01:05:23,747 --> 01:05:26,427
Speaker 3: No, David, thank you for calling mate. A very good

1360
01:05:26,507 --> 01:05:28,947
Speaker 3: debut from you on the radio. I expect to hear

1361
01:05:29,067 --> 01:05:31,307
Speaker 3: much more from you in the in the months and

1362
01:05:31,467 --> 01:05:34,347
Speaker 3: years ahead. Now you've got our enough. Please don't be please,

1363
01:05:34,387 --> 01:05:38,547
Speaker 3: don't be a stranger. Thanks for calling in all the best, mate. Yes,

1364
01:05:38,707 --> 01:05:40,347
Speaker 3: I think that passed you. I think Dave the past

1365
01:05:40,427 --> 01:05:44,667
Speaker 3: was forward as well. Surely that's mitigation that Buden Barrett

1366
01:05:44,787 --> 01:05:47,707
Speaker 3: got to Tiger Burn quicker than you would normally expect,

1367
01:05:47,787 --> 01:05:52,107
Speaker 3: because at the very best it's flat. I think it's forward,

1368
01:05:52,347 --> 01:05:54,387
Speaker 3: and I think they were arguing. Dan Sheehan was arguing

1369
01:05:54,467 --> 01:05:58,227
Speaker 3: that point when it was upgraded. Surely that's mitigation. The

1370
01:05:58,347 --> 01:06:00,787
Speaker 3: other part is where is the high degree of danger here?

1371
01:06:01,627 --> 01:06:05,267
Speaker 3: How is Tiger Burne putting Bowden Barrett into a high

1372
01:06:05,427 --> 01:06:12,187
Speaker 3: degree of peril? He's not, Zach Ki, mate, Hey, how

1373
01:06:12,187 --> 01:06:13,027
Speaker 3: are you going good?

1374
01:06:14,587 --> 01:06:14,787
Speaker 22: Yeah?

1375
01:06:14,827 --> 01:06:18,827
Speaker 32: First time called as well. I just Devil's advocate on

1376
01:06:19,067 --> 01:06:21,067
Speaker 32: the tackle. I didn't think it was a red at

1377
01:06:21,067 --> 01:06:22,427
Speaker 32: all one of the rules.

1378
01:06:22,467 --> 01:06:23,267
Speaker 33: I think it is a yellow.

1379
01:06:24,387 --> 01:06:26,667
Speaker 32: But is it kind of could you kind of say,

1380
01:06:27,307 --> 01:06:30,347
Speaker 32: because you know they're obviously playing blitz defense, it's just

1381
01:06:30,427 --> 01:06:33,587
Speaker 32: the risks that they're taking because the defense is at

1382
01:06:33,627 --> 01:06:35,147
Speaker 32: ready and they're going to be taking those kind of

1383
01:06:35,267 --> 01:06:39,027
Speaker 32: risks about you know, putting that pressure on d that

1384
01:06:39,587 --> 01:06:41,747
Speaker 32: they're not going to be read sometimes for those high tackles,

1385
01:06:41,787 --> 01:06:43,987
Speaker 32: and that's kind of in the favor of the attacking

1386
01:06:44,067 --> 01:06:47,507
Speaker 32: team if they're getting called this pressure on them and

1387
01:06:47,627 --> 01:06:50,507
Speaker 32: they're playing against blitz defense. Do you think you know

1388
01:06:50,627 --> 01:06:52,227
Speaker 32: that's just the risk of the Irish had to take

1389
01:06:52,267 --> 01:06:54,187
Speaker 32: in Soafrica as well when they're playing that same game.

1390
01:06:54,707 --> 01:06:57,947
Speaker 3: Yeah, collateral damage in other words, Zach, yeah, I think

1391
01:06:57,987 --> 01:07:00,387
Speaker 3: you bang on. I think you know, if you are

1392
01:07:00,467 --> 01:07:03,307
Speaker 3: going to defend right up to the line and to

1393
01:07:03,387 --> 01:07:05,347
Speaker 3: the letter of the law in terms of our side

1394
01:07:05,387 --> 01:07:07,147
Speaker 3: and that sort of thing. Yeah, you have to expect

1395
01:07:07,147 --> 01:07:10,147
Speaker 3: that in situations like this morning, that you might find

1396
01:07:10,187 --> 01:07:13,467
Speaker 3: yourself in that situation. I still don't think it's a red, mate,

1397
01:07:13,867 --> 01:07:17,507
Speaker 3: a yellow, yes, for the reasons of mitigation and the

1398
01:07:18,267 --> 01:07:21,547
Speaker 3: threshold of a high degree of danger to the ball carrier.

1399
01:07:21,827 --> 01:07:23,107
Speaker 3: I just don't see your red there.

1400
01:07:23,147 --> 01:07:23,267
Speaker 15: Man.

1401
01:07:24,627 --> 01:07:26,547
Speaker 32: No, I guess I'm probably arguing for people that are

1402
01:07:26,547 --> 01:07:27,347
Speaker 32: saying it's not a yellow.

1403
01:07:27,827 --> 01:07:29,707
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, No, I think it's a yellow. Yeah, I

1404
01:07:29,827 --> 01:07:30,507
Speaker 3: think it's a yellow.

1405
01:07:30,587 --> 01:07:30,787
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1406
01:07:32,587 --> 01:07:35,467
Speaker 3: Yes, Hey Zak, thanks for calling, mate, Thank you for

1407
01:07:35,547 --> 01:07:39,147
Speaker 3: calling him. And yeah, I didn't mean to suggest that

1408
01:07:39,387 --> 01:07:41,147
Speaker 3: I thought that it should just have been a penalty

1409
01:07:41,667 --> 01:07:47,227
Speaker 3: or similar. I just can't see the upgrade. I mean,

1410
01:07:47,947 --> 01:07:49,627
Speaker 3: of course you're going to be disappointed, but even the

1411
01:07:49,667 --> 01:07:51,547
Speaker 3: look on Tiger Burn's face when he was told he

1412
01:07:51,627 --> 01:07:53,387
Speaker 3: was sitting on the naughty chair waiting to go back

1413
01:07:53,467 --> 01:07:56,027
Speaker 3: on and they came over and said, sorry, mate, your

1414
01:07:56,107 --> 01:08:03,107
Speaker 3: game's up put it this way. If it hadn't been upgraded,

1415
01:08:03,787 --> 01:08:09,547
Speaker 3: would our lines be flooded with howls of disappointment and

1416
01:08:09,667 --> 01:08:12,987
Speaker 3: opposition to that? No is the answer, And I reckon

1417
01:08:13,027 --> 01:08:15,667
Speaker 3: our audience, The weekend sport audience is a pretty good

1418
01:08:15,747 --> 01:08:20,987
Speaker 3: gauge on things. There's a couple of outlies, but for

1419
01:08:21,107 --> 01:08:26,067
Speaker 3: the most part, for the most part, sensible, cool headed thinkers.

1420
01:08:26,107 --> 01:08:28,627
Speaker 3: I reckon. That's who we hope to attracked. Anyway, if

1421
01:08:28,667 --> 01:08:30,747
Speaker 3: that hadn't been upgraded, we wouldn't even be talking about it.

1422
01:08:30,747 --> 01:08:33,707
Speaker 3: We're saying, yeah, yellow, yeahs yellow. You know he's it's

1423
01:08:33,747 --> 01:08:35,747
Speaker 3: a shouldered to head sort of contact. Yeah, we get it.

1424
01:08:36,587 --> 01:08:38,307
Speaker 3: We might not agree with the rule, but we understand

1425
01:08:38,307 --> 01:08:40,827
Speaker 3: that the rule is there. So yeah, yellow card. If

1426
01:08:40,827 --> 01:08:43,107
Speaker 3: it hadn't been upgraded, you know, there wouldn't have been

1427
01:08:43,347 --> 01:08:48,707
Speaker 3: opposition to that. It's not a red card. Nineteen away

1428
01:08:48,707 --> 01:08:52,187
Speaker 3: from one John Carroll Police Holt spare line. There might

1429
01:08:52,307 --> 01:08:53,747
Speaker 3: just have been taken up. A lot of people want

1430
01:08:53,747 --> 01:08:55,867
Speaker 3: to chat, please, I keep trying to get through. Oh,

1431
01:08:55,907 --> 01:08:57,707
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back in a moment.

1432
01:08:58,387 --> 01:08:59,827
Speaker 2: Sul you be the TMO.

1433
01:09:00,107 --> 01:09:02,507
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1434
01:09:02,707 --> 01:09:05,547
Speaker 1: Weekends fort with Jason Hin and GJ.

1435
01:09:05,747 --> 01:09:08,987
Speaker 2: Karvnho, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News.

1436
01:09:08,907 --> 01:09:12,227
Speaker 3: Talk twelve to forty five. We'll keep talking Rugby well

1437
01:09:12,267 --> 01:09:13,907
Speaker 3: after one o'clock as well, So if you can't get through,

1438
01:09:13,947 --> 01:09:16,227
Speaker 3: please keep trying. Thanks for holding John today, mate.

1439
01:09:17,907 --> 01:09:19,027
Speaker 14: By good good.

1440
01:09:20,147 --> 01:09:22,667
Speaker 9: I enjoyed the game. I didn't enjoy the first half,

1441
01:09:22,707 --> 01:09:25,187
Speaker 9: but I enjoyed the game. But I read an article

1442
01:09:25,907 --> 01:09:28,427
Speaker 9: that Richie mccare wrote yesterday and then then he said

1443
01:09:28,547 --> 01:09:33,107
Speaker 9: that with the pmos coming in all the time and

1444
01:09:33,227 --> 01:09:35,627
Speaker 9: sport the game, but he said it was done to

1445
01:09:35,707 --> 01:09:38,067
Speaker 9: protect the referees, but they've got to do something different.

1446
01:09:38,147 --> 01:09:40,267
Speaker 9: It was just, you know, that was ridiculous. Fifty five

1447
01:09:40,307 --> 01:09:41,387
Speaker 9: minutes for a first half.

1448
01:09:42,747 --> 01:09:47,067
Speaker 3: Oh, John, I totally agree. And I've seen a couple

1449
01:09:47,067 --> 01:09:49,667
Speaker 3: of ironic comments saying that Americans love their stoppages. You

1450
01:09:49,707 --> 01:09:51,947
Speaker 3: watch the game of NFL. Seems to stop all the time,

1451
01:09:51,987 --> 01:09:53,307
Speaker 3: doesn't it. But you know, if you are trying to

1452
01:09:53,307 --> 01:09:56,867
Speaker 3: convert someone across, it's a pretty hard sell. I don't know.

1453
01:09:56,987 --> 01:09:58,747
Speaker 3: The screen wasn't working and that was a sort of

1454
01:09:58,747 --> 01:10:01,787
Speaker 3: a mitigating factor, but it just you know, League League's

1455
01:10:01,827 --> 01:10:03,827
Speaker 3: got it right, you know, put someone on report and

1456
01:10:03,907 --> 01:10:04,547
Speaker 3: let's get on with it.

1457
01:10:04,587 --> 01:10:04,747
Speaker 2: You know.

1458
01:10:05,507 --> 01:10:05,707
Speaker 8: Yep.

1459
01:10:06,107 --> 01:10:08,507
Speaker 9: Yeah, And definitely I don't think it was a red

1460
01:10:08,587 --> 01:10:12,147
Speaker 9: card penalty yellow probably was fair enough, but not a

1461
01:10:12,227 --> 01:10:14,267
Speaker 9: red eye. I shot sorry for the body guy that

1462
01:10:14,427 --> 01:10:14,947
Speaker 9: got the red.

1463
01:10:15,987 --> 01:10:17,707
Speaker 3: Do you know the other thing, John, that's been pointed

1464
01:10:17,747 --> 01:10:19,227
Speaker 3: out to me by a number of people is that

1465
01:10:19,507 --> 01:10:22,507
Speaker 3: Boden didn't go off for an hia. If he's been

1466
01:10:22,787 --> 01:10:24,827
Speaker 3: clocked in the head by the shoulder of a big

1467
01:10:24,907 --> 01:10:27,427
Speaker 3: lock forward from the other side so hard that it's

1468
01:10:27,427 --> 01:10:29,467
Speaker 3: a yellow upgraded to a red, then why didn't Bone

1469
01:10:29,467 --> 01:10:30,627
Speaker 3: and Barrick go off for an hia.

1470
01:10:31,867 --> 01:10:34,467
Speaker 9: He got clocked again later on and he was you know,

1471
01:10:34,707 --> 01:10:37,347
Speaker 9: you could see was a bit and that wasn't anybody's fault.

1472
01:10:37,347 --> 01:10:38,747
Speaker 9: It was just part of the game and you could

1473
01:10:38,747 --> 01:10:40,747
Speaker 9: see he was a bit shot shell shopped then too

1474
01:10:40,867 --> 01:10:42,427
Speaker 9: for a little for a few seconds.

1475
01:10:43,147 --> 01:10:45,227
Speaker 3: That was actually a good tackle, I think. I think

1476
01:10:45,267 --> 01:10:47,187
Speaker 3: on first look, I know it's the one, the Gary

1477
01:10:47,267 --> 01:10:48,907
Speaker 3: Ringrose one on the second half. I think you're talking

1478
01:10:48,907 --> 01:10:51,507
Speaker 3: about John at first lock I thought, at first look,

1479
01:10:51,507 --> 01:10:53,827
Speaker 3: I thought that's he's off, that's a red guard. And

1480
01:10:53,867 --> 01:10:55,867
Speaker 3: then you look at it again, he wraps, he hits

1481
01:10:55,907 --> 01:10:57,587
Speaker 3: him around the shoulders. It's a good tackle.

1482
01:10:58,427 --> 01:11:01,387
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But you go back out of the

1483
01:11:01,427 --> 01:11:03,987
Speaker 9: all blacks played, I thought they played. I thought they

1484
01:11:04,027 --> 01:11:06,547
Speaker 9: were their own worst enemy in the first half. Once

1485
01:11:06,627 --> 01:11:08,787
Speaker 9: they controlled the ball in the second half and kept

1486
01:11:08,827 --> 01:11:11,827
Speaker 9: the ball, you know, doing those picking goes, feeding off

1487
01:11:11,907 --> 01:11:13,627
Speaker 9: one arf or the other, and starting to have a

1488
01:11:13,707 --> 01:11:16,667
Speaker 9: bit of confidence in their passing ability. They played well,

1489
01:11:16,787 --> 01:11:20,587
Speaker 9: but up until say, the last twenty five minutes, I

1490
01:11:20,707 --> 01:11:22,667
Speaker 9: thought they were their own worst enemies for a while.

1491
01:11:24,147 --> 01:11:27,067
Speaker 3: Hopefully that's the work on, John, because the last twenty

1492
01:11:27,187 --> 01:11:29,067
Speaker 3: was great. Hopefully that's the work on it is that

1493
01:11:29,187 --> 01:11:31,507
Speaker 3: they they say, right, let's try and translate what we

1494
01:11:31,547 --> 01:11:33,787
Speaker 3: did in the last twenty into the first sixty. Even

1495
01:11:33,867 --> 01:11:35,667
Speaker 3: Jason Holland you might have heard him said, talk, you know,

1496
01:11:35,907 --> 01:11:43,027
Speaker 3: handling errors, just mistakes inaccuracy was what afflicted them, especially

1497
01:11:43,067 --> 01:11:44,667
Speaker 3: in the first half and for a little while after

1498
01:11:44,747 --> 01:11:47,347
Speaker 3: halftime as well. If they can put that right, then

1499
01:11:48,387 --> 01:11:50,067
Speaker 3: very much looking forward to seeing what they do for

1500
01:11:50,187 --> 01:11:52,547
Speaker 3: the next three matches. Thanks John, Good to chat to

1501
01:11:52,547 --> 01:11:52,907
Speaker 3: you mate.

1502
01:11:52,987 --> 01:11:56,467
Speaker 28: Hi Carol, Hi, you still on my son? Hell, this

1503
01:11:56,587 --> 01:11:57,067
Speaker 28: is Peto.

1504
01:11:57,187 --> 01:12:01,827
Speaker 21: I've run too now that this is the China than

1505
01:12:01,907 --> 01:12:02,227
Speaker 21: it did?

1506
01:12:02,547 --> 01:12:04,947
Speaker 33: Why was it body taken off the field for Hia

1507
01:12:05,067 --> 01:12:05,707
Speaker 33: and did he was not?

1508
01:12:05,947 --> 01:12:06,147
Speaker 2: Later?

1509
01:12:07,907 --> 01:12:11,747
Speaker 3: Carol, that's you're so right, because we're told, I'll just

1510
01:12:11,787 --> 01:12:13,427
Speaker 3: get you to turn your radio down, just ever so

1511
01:12:13,547 --> 01:12:16,267
Speaker 3: slightly in the background, Carol, it's just becoming a bit yep,

1512
01:12:16,387 --> 01:12:21,227
Speaker 3: just just do that. Great, yep, awesome, awesome, Right. Have

1513
01:12:21,307 --> 01:12:21,867
Speaker 3: I got your back?

1514
01:12:23,227 --> 01:12:23,387
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1515
01:12:28,347 --> 01:12:37,307
Speaker 3: Love it, Carol. Carol's coming back. She's coming back. Are

1516
01:12:37,347 --> 01:12:38,027
Speaker 3: you back, Carol?

1517
01:12:38,267 --> 01:12:38,547
Speaker 6: Great?

1518
01:12:38,587 --> 01:12:38,987
Speaker 22: Good on you.

1519
01:12:39,187 --> 01:12:39,427
Speaker 12: Carol.

1520
01:12:40,107 --> 01:12:42,387
Speaker 3: You're so right though about the about the hi as,

1521
01:12:42,467 --> 01:12:45,507
Speaker 3: because we're told that the mouthguard is the thing, right,

1522
01:12:45,547 --> 01:12:47,427
Speaker 3: and Simon Parker had to go for an h i

1523
01:12:47,547 --> 01:12:49,347
Speaker 3: A and I didn't see what happened to him. Surely

1524
01:12:49,387 --> 01:12:53,347
Speaker 3: if he if he's like that, the mouthguard lights ample

1525
01:12:53,547 --> 01:12:57,787
Speaker 3: or does whatever it does to indicate significant contact, it's

1526
01:12:57,827 --> 01:12:58,467
Speaker 3: an anomaly.

1527
01:13:00,067 --> 01:13:00,707
Speaker 17: So much.

1528
01:13:03,547 --> 01:13:06,147
Speaker 3: They are they are. Yes, I am, Carol, I am.

1529
01:13:06,387 --> 01:13:07,987
Speaker 3: I do have to move. I've got another couple of callers.

1530
01:13:07,987 --> 01:13:10,107
Speaker 3: Thank you for turning your radio down, Thank you for calling.

1531
01:13:10,267 --> 01:13:12,267
Speaker 3: Please call back any time you make a very salient

1532
01:13:12,347 --> 01:13:15,627
Speaker 3: point that others have made to why wasn't there an

1533
01:13:15,747 --> 01:13:19,227
Speaker 3: HIA involved? And I know the two things you don't say. Okay, Well,

1534
01:13:19,227 --> 01:13:22,187
Speaker 3: you just because there's no HIA doesn't mean you can't

1535
01:13:22,187 --> 01:13:26,507
Speaker 3: give a yellow car that doesn't correlate. But it's been

1536
01:13:26,787 --> 01:13:30,307
Speaker 3: a source of mystery to me that in situations like

1537
01:13:30,427 --> 01:13:35,747
Speaker 3: this morning, if Boden Barrett Bodemarrit's head is contacted by

1538
01:13:35,947 --> 01:13:41,747
Speaker 3: the shoulder of an opponent, then why doesn't his mouthguard

1539
01:13:41,947 --> 01:13:45,427
Speaker 3: get activated. We need to drill down into that. Maybe

1540
01:13:45,467 --> 01:13:47,507
Speaker 3: we need to get an expert on to talk to

1541
01:13:47,627 --> 01:13:48,027
Speaker 3: us about that.

1542
01:13:48,387 --> 01:13:53,347
Speaker 34: Hello, Heidi, Hello, I'd like to talk about the role

1543
01:13:53,427 --> 01:13:54,867
Speaker 34: of the referees.

1544
01:13:55,147 --> 01:13:55,907
Speaker 20: I'm old enough.

1545
01:13:56,027 --> 01:13:58,867
Speaker 34: In fact, in the early nineties, I was massaging the

1546
01:13:58,947 --> 01:14:02,027
Speaker 34: All Blacks for free when they came to the Pronamo

1547
01:14:02,147 --> 01:14:04,827
Speaker 34: up and take a poona because nobody else was doing it,

1548
01:14:04,987 --> 01:14:07,587
Speaker 34: so I was doing the boys at North Shore and

1549
01:14:07,667 --> 01:14:11,027
Speaker 34: North Harbor, so I offered my services. So I was

1550
01:14:11,067 --> 01:14:14,587
Speaker 34: sort of around there, So I remember. I mean every

1551
01:14:14,667 --> 01:14:17,707
Speaker 34: time we went to South Africa. We never won a

1552
01:14:17,827 --> 01:14:21,507
Speaker 34: series until they brought an international referees, and that was

1553
01:14:21,547 --> 01:14:24,707
Speaker 34: in nineteen ninety six when we won our first And

1554
01:14:24,987 --> 01:14:28,747
Speaker 34: I find it rather ironic that that disaster. Wayne Barnes

1555
01:14:29,307 --> 01:14:32,827
Speaker 34: his first World Cup game was the seven one where

1556
01:14:32,867 --> 01:14:36,187
Speaker 34: he caused us to lose, and his last one was

1557
01:14:37,067 --> 01:14:40,387
Speaker 34: the last one when we lost as well. I'd like

1558
01:14:41,587 --> 01:14:45,307
Speaker 34: the referees to be checked after the game, and I'd

1559
01:14:45,427 --> 01:14:49,787
Speaker 34: like them to be scrutinized with slow moo and look

1560
01:14:49,827 --> 01:14:53,187
Speaker 34: at their decisions, because the players are slow mode to death.

1561
01:14:53,267 --> 01:14:58,147
Speaker 34: It's replayed ten times, it's dissected and all a split

1562
01:14:58,227 --> 01:15:02,907
Speaker 34: second of action, and they dissected to death. And yet

1563
01:15:03,067 --> 01:15:06,107
Speaker 34: when a referee makes a bad call, he doesn't get

1564
01:15:06,147 --> 01:15:09,387
Speaker 34: call up. And I think it's terrible that that, if

1565
01:15:09,467 --> 01:15:13,267
Speaker 34: he is proven to be to have made a wrong decision,

1566
01:15:13,507 --> 01:15:16,587
Speaker 34: that they can't reverse the game. I don't know how

1567
01:15:16,627 --> 01:15:18,827
Speaker 34: they could do it, really, but I think it's very

1568
01:15:18,947 --> 01:15:23,067
Speaker 34: unfair that a referee's poor decision, especially in this day

1569
01:15:23,107 --> 01:15:26,427
Speaker 34: and age where there's a lot of money and it's

1570
01:15:26,467 --> 01:15:30,187
Speaker 34: a professional game. I don't think that the opinion of

1571
01:15:30,267 --> 01:15:33,747
Speaker 34: a referee should decide which way the game goes.

1572
01:15:34,267 --> 01:15:36,427
Speaker 3: I don't think that's what happened this morning, though HARDI.

1573
01:15:37,787 --> 01:15:40,867
Speaker 34: No, I have to admit I didn't. I missed the game.

1574
01:15:40,947 --> 01:15:41,667
Speaker 12: I was I had to.

1575
01:15:41,827 --> 01:15:43,827
Speaker 34: I'm working on the farm, and I missed.

1576
01:15:44,387 --> 01:15:44,827
Speaker 9: I missed.

1577
01:15:45,187 --> 01:15:49,267
Speaker 34: I don't have Sky Sports, so I missed the game.

1578
01:15:49,347 --> 01:15:52,627
Speaker 34: But I'm just looking at the at the input of

1579
01:15:52,667 --> 01:15:55,667
Speaker 34: the referees. I mean, look, look what happened with Sam Kane,

1580
01:15:56,027 --> 01:15:59,507
Speaker 34: and then a while later Colisi did the same thing

1581
01:15:59,587 --> 01:16:02,907
Speaker 34: to Ardi and wasn't wasn't penalized for it.

1582
01:16:03,027 --> 01:16:06,147
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, HAIDI, I take your point and look

1583
01:16:06,187 --> 01:16:08,627
Speaker 3: at it's a wider discussion. It is a wider discussion.

1584
01:16:08,667 --> 01:16:13,507
Speaker 3: I think referees are scrutinized, certainly by us, and I'm

1585
01:16:13,507 --> 01:16:15,987
Speaker 3: talking the rugby public here, and this is a forum

1586
01:16:17,267 --> 01:16:23,267
Speaker 3: through which people can express their opinion on that. Internally,

1587
01:16:23,427 --> 01:16:26,707
Speaker 3: I know they're reviewed. I know they do with their

1588
01:16:27,187 --> 01:16:31,987
Speaker 3: internal referee coaches and referee assessors. They are. They go

1589
01:16:32,187 --> 01:16:37,347
Speaker 3: through games decision by decision and are asked to perhaps

1590
01:16:37,427 --> 01:16:40,707
Speaker 3: explain why they came to the decisions that they did.

1591
01:16:42,267 --> 01:16:43,747
Speaker 3: But I don't think that's what happened this morning.

1592
01:16:43,827 --> 01:16:44,827
Speaker 28: And the.

1593
01:16:46,307 --> 01:16:48,467
Speaker 3: Referee didn't make the decision on the upgrade of the

1594
01:16:48,547 --> 01:16:50,547
Speaker 3: red card, right, that's made off the field. But I

1595
01:16:50,627 --> 01:16:54,227
Speaker 3: think they're called the foul play official or something like that.

1596
01:16:54,307 --> 01:16:55,827
Speaker 3: I've got so many of them these days. I heard

1597
01:16:55,827 --> 01:16:58,827
Speaker 3: Elliott Smith's art on our commentary. The referee on the

1598
01:16:58,867 --> 01:17:00,827
Speaker 3: field doesn't make the decision to upgrade the yellow to

1599
01:17:00,867 --> 01:17:06,827
Speaker 3: the red. That's a decision made off the field. The

1600
01:17:06,907 --> 01:17:12,347
Speaker 3: referee this morning. I don't know. I thought he was okay.

1601
01:17:13,827 --> 01:17:16,467
Speaker 3: I thought he was all right. He did seem to

1602
01:17:16,507 --> 01:17:17,987
Speaker 3: blow his whistle a lot, but I don't think. I

1603
01:17:18,027 --> 01:17:20,147
Speaker 3: didn't look at it go that referee has ruined the game.

1604
01:17:20,387 --> 01:17:23,027
Speaker 3: I didn't think that. I do have a problem with

1605
01:17:23,147 --> 01:17:25,667
Speaker 3: the with the yellow card being upgraded to the red.

1606
01:17:26,147 --> 01:17:28,987
Speaker 3: That is the major problem I have with the officiating

1607
01:17:29,027 --> 01:17:32,547
Speaker 3: this morning. I just can't see how that is a

1608
01:17:32,627 --> 01:17:36,987
Speaker 3: high degree of danger with no mitigation seven to one.

1609
01:17:37,107 --> 01:17:37,787
Speaker 3: US talks EB.

1610
01:17:38,547 --> 01:17:42,227
Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world

1611
01:17:42,427 --> 01:17:44,507
Speaker 1: weekends for it with Jason Pine.

1612
01:17:44,627 --> 01:17:48,507
Speaker 2: They call eight News Talks MB four.

1613
01:17:48,467 --> 01:17:51,627
Speaker 3: To one on text Jason Far far far More importantly,

1614
01:17:52,067 --> 01:17:54,387
Speaker 3: Arsenal's fifth win in a row in the Premier League,

1615
01:17:54,907 --> 01:17:57,427
Speaker 3: which has moved us seven points clear at the top.

1616
01:17:57,467 --> 01:18:01,787
Speaker 3: It's our year. Don't worry you'll fall over. I actually

1617
01:18:01,827 --> 01:18:04,267
Speaker 3: don't think you will this year. I think Arsenal will

1618
01:18:04,267 --> 01:18:06,947
Speaker 3: probably want it. Anyway, that's a separate topic. We're going

1619
01:18:07,027 --> 01:18:08,667
Speaker 3: to open the lines again on the rugby after one.

1620
01:18:08,827 --> 01:18:13,107
Speaker 3: Murray Kinsella, a highly regarded Irish journalist and broadcaster, going

1621
01:18:13,147 --> 01:18:14,987
Speaker 3: to join us with an Irish viewpoint be keen to

1622
01:18:15,107 --> 01:18:18,267
Speaker 3: hear what he thought about the the upgraded yellow to

1623
01:18:18,387 --> 01:18:20,907
Speaker 3: read and also does this Irish side need a bit

1624
01:18:20,987 --> 01:18:24,827
Speaker 3: of regeneration between now and the next Rugby World Cup.

1625
01:18:26,347 --> 01:18:29,187
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

1626
01:18:29,387 --> 01:18:31,027
Speaker 1: on and after fields.

1627
01:18:31,587 --> 01:18:34,907
Speaker 2: It's all on Wig and Sport with Jason Vaide on

1628
01:18:35,067 --> 01:18:37,707
Speaker 2: your home of Sport US.

1629
01:18:37,667 --> 01:18:41,787
Speaker 3: Talks one seven. Welcome into Weekend Sport. Welcome back to

1630
01:18:41,867 --> 01:18:44,707
Speaker 3: Weekend Sport. The lines were absolutely jammed last hour. We're

1631
01:18:44,707 --> 01:18:47,027
Speaker 3: going to open them again to talk rugby. Heaps of text.

1632
01:18:48,347 --> 01:18:51,907
Speaker 3: I reiterate to you that we can't read them all out.

1633
01:18:51,947 --> 01:18:55,187
Speaker 3: It's impossible. We do read them all and we thank

1634
01:18:55,227 --> 01:18:58,787
Speaker 3: you for articulating your thoughts in that fashion. Please don't

1635
01:18:58,827 --> 01:19:00,867
Speaker 3: think that because if we don't get the chance to

1636
01:19:00,907 --> 01:19:04,187
Speaker 3: read them all out, that your thoughts are not appreciated.

1637
01:19:05,787 --> 01:19:09,347
Speaker 3: Two text messages, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty four,

1638
01:19:09,547 --> 01:19:12,907
Speaker 3: your phone calls going to get an Irish viewpoint very shortly.

1639
01:19:13,507 --> 01:19:16,627
Speaker 3: Also hearing from Elliott Smith over in Chicago that Boden

1640
01:19:16,667 --> 01:19:20,587
Speaker 3: Barrett has made some very interesting post match comments regarding

1641
01:19:20,667 --> 01:19:24,707
Speaker 3: the yellow card which was upgraded to red for Tiger

1642
01:19:24,747 --> 01:19:28,027
Speaker 3: burn very much on the side of Tiger Burn is

1643
01:19:28,107 --> 01:19:30,987
Speaker 3: what we're hearing. We've got that audio in coming. We'll

1644
01:19:31,027 --> 01:19:34,347
Speaker 3: play it for you very shortly. But by the sounds

1645
01:19:34,387 --> 01:19:39,347
Speaker 3: of it, there's there's a degree of sympathy, a high

1646
01:19:39,467 --> 01:19:43,027
Speaker 3: degree of sympathy with Tig Burn from Boden Barrett, who

1647
01:19:43,067 --> 01:19:46,747
Speaker 3: was on the receiving end of the of the tackle

1648
01:19:46,867 --> 01:19:49,627
Speaker 3: that led to Burn being first yellow carded and then

1649
01:19:50,467 --> 01:19:54,187
Speaker 3: red carded subsequent to that. I know it doesn't matter.

1650
01:19:54,307 --> 01:19:57,507
Speaker 3: I know it's not you know, it's okay tof you're

1651
01:19:57,507 --> 01:19:59,987
Speaker 3: sorry for your fellow player. It doesn't change anything. But

1652
01:20:00,387 --> 01:20:04,787
Speaker 3: I think it's quite an interesting point. Let's get an

1653
01:20:04,827 --> 01:20:09,027
Speaker 3: Irish view leading ira Fish rugby journalist in broadcast Murray

1654
01:20:09,107 --> 01:20:11,147
Speaker 3: can sell up as well as Murray, thanks for tacking

1655
01:20:11,147 --> 01:20:12,947
Speaker 3: the time to join us across New Zealand. What was

1656
01:20:12,947 --> 01:20:15,267
Speaker 3: your view on the yellow cad the app grade to

1657
01:20:15,387 --> 01:20:16,227
Speaker 3: raid for Todd Burn.

1658
01:20:17,507 --> 01:20:19,067
Speaker 35: I have to say I was surprised. I thought they

1659
01:20:19,107 --> 01:20:21,987
Speaker 35: were going to keep it that yellow. Certainly that's the

1660
01:20:22,067 --> 01:20:25,467
Speaker 35: feeling in Ireland. There's a sense of grievance there. But

1661
01:20:25,547 --> 01:20:28,267
Speaker 35: as any Farrell himself pointed out after the game, Ireland

1662
01:20:28,307 --> 01:20:31,627
Speaker 35: managed that period well and they were in front obviously

1663
01:20:31,707 --> 01:20:33,867
Speaker 35: and led into the second half and there's other things

1664
01:20:33,907 --> 01:20:36,347
Speaker 35: that will frustrate them more. But certainly a lot of

1665
01:20:36,387 --> 01:20:37,707
Speaker 35: shock in Ireland over that decision.

1666
01:20:38,267 --> 01:20:41,387
Speaker 3: What are the other things then that will frustrate Ireland more.

1667
01:20:41,787 --> 01:20:44,307
Speaker 3: Andy Ferrell in the in the senior leadership team.

1668
01:20:45,587 --> 01:20:48,027
Speaker 35: Their line out for starters had a really tough night

1669
01:20:48,067 --> 01:20:50,547
Speaker 35: against the brilliant All Blacks defense and that's been a

1670
01:20:50,827 --> 01:20:53,867
Speaker 35: familiar image in the past. I thought the Kiwi Ford's

1671
01:20:53,867 --> 01:20:56,547
Speaker 35: did a great job and disrupting them there because both

1672
01:20:56,587 --> 01:20:58,747
Speaker 35: sides lost their line out leaders earlier on Scott Barrett

1673
01:20:58,867 --> 01:21:02,187
Speaker 35: Goes and tyger Burn Goes obviously as well. But you'd

1674
01:21:02,187 --> 01:21:04,307
Speaker 35: have to say New Zealand adjusted to that setback a

1675
01:21:04,347 --> 01:21:07,147
Speaker 35: lot better than Ireland did. They didn't give themselves a

1676
01:21:07,227 --> 01:21:10,147
Speaker 35: platform to attack from. The scrum was an issue as well.

1677
01:21:10,267 --> 01:21:13,427
Speaker 35: New Zealand got momentum there and I think generally Ireland

1678
01:21:13,507 --> 01:21:16,787
Speaker 35: just lacked that hiller edge, that accuracy and putting.

1679
01:21:16,507 --> 01:21:18,147
Speaker 6: Away chances when they were in good positions.

1680
01:21:18,227 --> 01:21:20,027
Speaker 35: Think of the big moment of the game. We're on

1681
01:21:20,107 --> 01:21:22,347
Speaker 35: the sixty minute mark, Ireland are attacking the New Zealand

1682
01:21:22,347 --> 01:21:25,227
Speaker 35: twenty two. A pass from Jack Crowley isn't held by

1683
01:21:25,307 --> 01:21:28,427
Speaker 35: Jamie Osborne and a minute just down the other end

1684
01:21:28,467 --> 01:21:29,907
Speaker 35: of the pitch in New Zealand hack Ford and they

1685
01:21:29,947 --> 01:21:32,227
Speaker 35: win a turnover as Quintupai a big moment from him

1686
01:21:32,387 --> 01:21:34,187
Speaker 35: kicking in the corner and they score a try and

1687
01:21:34,307 --> 01:21:36,267
Speaker 35: that really is the big swing in the game. And

1688
01:21:36,307 --> 01:21:39,107
Speaker 35: I think it summed up how Ireland just failed to

1689
01:21:39,187 --> 01:21:41,227
Speaker 35: have that yet, that accuracy and key.

1690
01:21:41,187 --> 01:21:44,787
Speaker 3: Moments after that point that you've mentioned and yes, absolutely

1691
01:21:44,867 --> 01:21:47,747
Speaker 3: pivotal moment, turning point. What did you see play out

1692
01:21:47,827 --> 01:21:49,907
Speaker 3: in the last twenty minutes that allowed the All Blacks

1693
01:21:49,947 --> 01:21:53,027
Speaker 3: to score the tries and the points that saw them

1694
01:21:53,107 --> 01:21:55,987
Speaker 3: eventually stretch out to a thirteen point victory.

1695
01:21:57,187 --> 01:21:59,587
Speaker 35: Well, they got a brilliant impact from their bench, didn't they.

1696
01:21:59,627 --> 01:22:01,907
Speaker 35: And I know Ireland had been conference around that day,

1697
01:22:02,387 --> 01:22:05,147
Speaker 35: a pretty punchy looking bench themselves, you know Kaylin Darris

1698
01:22:05,187 --> 01:22:07,707
Speaker 35: coming back and players like that. But I thought it

1699
01:22:07,827 --> 01:22:10,987
Speaker 35: was the New Zealand replacements who made a greater impact.

1700
01:22:11,027 --> 01:22:13,547
Speaker 35: I thought to mighty, Williams obviously did really well, well,

1701
01:22:13,667 --> 01:22:15,907
Speaker 35: the tt did really well. Both of them scored and

1702
01:22:15,987 --> 01:22:18,467
Speaker 35: they just brought an energy to that final quarter because

1703
01:22:18,747 --> 01:22:21,147
Speaker 35: like let's be honest, New Zealand for large parts of

1704
01:22:21,227 --> 01:22:24,387
Speaker 35: that game, you know, looked average enough. They didn't look

1705
01:22:24,467 --> 01:22:27,747
Speaker 35: at their most clinical or you know, fluid best. But

1706
01:22:28,307 --> 01:22:30,147
Speaker 35: I thought in the final quarter it did really click

1707
01:22:30,227 --> 01:22:33,347
Speaker 35: for them, and well, they're really difficult to stop. Ireland

1708
01:22:33,707 --> 01:22:35,587
Speaker 35: really struggled to get a grip on them and they

1709
01:22:35,667 --> 01:22:38,467
Speaker 35: finished right over the top. So I think that combined

1710
01:22:38,507 --> 01:22:41,267
Speaker 35: with the really crucial artist of a try in the

1711
01:22:41,307 --> 01:22:44,587
Speaker 35: first half when Ireland, despite their twenty minute red card,

1712
01:22:44,947 --> 01:22:48,427
Speaker 35: will feel they were kind of controlling matters to just

1713
01:22:48,507 --> 01:22:50,347
Speaker 35: stick in the fight, there was key for New Zealand,

1714
01:22:50,347 --> 01:22:52,987
Speaker 35: and then they finished powerfully. I think we saw their

1715
01:22:52,987 --> 01:22:56,827
Speaker 35: attacking class as well. I thought the citt trying in particular,

1716
01:22:56,867 --> 01:22:59,507
Speaker 35: where Boden barrats just really calm in the face of

1717
01:22:59,547 --> 01:23:02,147
Speaker 35: the Irish rush defense. He kind of slows his feet,

1718
01:23:02,147 --> 01:23:04,387
Speaker 35: he delays, he waits for McKenzie to pick that space

1719
01:23:04,867 --> 01:23:06,907
Speaker 35: and in a way they go behind. So some real

1720
01:23:06,987 --> 01:23:08,987
Speaker 35: class in big moments at the end of the game.

1721
01:23:09,467 --> 01:23:11,507
Speaker 3: Marie, you make a great point about you know, the

1722
01:23:12,227 --> 01:23:14,467
Speaker 3: I guess a little bit of frustration, maybe an opportunity

1723
01:23:14,547 --> 01:23:16,347
Speaker 3: lost for Ireland. I mean, they did control the game

1724
01:23:16,427 --> 01:23:19,187
Speaker 3: even down to fourteen up to the al Mark and

1725
01:23:19,227 --> 01:23:21,107
Speaker 3: the turning point that you talked about, what will they

1726
01:23:21,187 --> 01:23:23,387
Speaker 3: look at this as an opportunity lost.

1727
01:23:24,827 --> 01:23:27,387
Speaker 35: I think they will, I really do. And the frustration

1728
01:23:27,507 --> 01:23:29,267
Speaker 35: for Ireland is now it's three defeats in a road

1729
01:23:29,307 --> 01:23:31,667
Speaker 35: to New Zealand, and obviously prior to that, Ireland had

1730
01:23:31,707 --> 01:23:33,587
Speaker 35: had a pretty good record against New Zealand that were

1731
01:23:33,987 --> 01:23:36,427
Speaker 35: maybe getting used to winning these games. And it's a

1732
01:23:36,507 --> 01:23:40,067
Speaker 35: worrying trend I suppose because there was quite similar marks

1733
01:23:40,107 --> 01:23:42,827
Speaker 35: to this game as last year this time last year

1734
01:23:43,347 --> 01:23:46,107
Speaker 35: in November in Dublin when the Old Bass came and

1735
01:23:46,147 --> 01:23:48,107
Speaker 35: won on a very similar score line as well, and

1736
01:23:48,187 --> 01:23:50,827
Speaker 35: Ireland were disappointed with their performance. So a lot of

1737
01:23:50,947 --> 01:23:52,587
Speaker 35: kind of similarities to that. It's the start of the

1738
01:23:52,627 --> 01:23:56,107
Speaker 35: November window. Ireland, as was much discussed in the lead up,

1739
01:23:56,147 --> 01:23:58,667
Speaker 35: lots of their players didn't have a huge amount of

1740
01:23:58,707 --> 01:24:00,427
Speaker 35: game time. They tried not to make an excuse of it,

1741
01:24:00,587 --> 01:24:02,947
Speaker 35: but I think that does contribute a little bit to

1742
01:24:03,027 --> 01:24:06,147
Speaker 35: that lack of sharpness in you know, being accurate with

1743
01:24:06,147 --> 01:24:09,427
Speaker 35: their skills. They'll back themselves to get better across this window.

1744
01:24:09,507 --> 01:24:13,627
Speaker 35: But you know, Tonight's shows again that the quality of

1745
01:24:13,707 --> 01:24:15,827
Speaker 35: the top teams at the top level, you have to

1746
01:24:15,907 --> 01:24:17,987
Speaker 35: be playing an eight out of ten and nine out

1747
01:24:17,987 --> 01:24:19,627
Speaker 35: of ten every time if you're going to be winning them,

1748
01:24:19,667 --> 01:24:21,387
Speaker 35: and Ireland certainly weren't that.

1749
01:24:22,507 --> 01:24:26,107
Speaker 3: From a wider viewpoint, do Ireland need to regenerate this

1750
01:24:26,227 --> 01:24:28,827
Speaker 3: squad in the next two years hitting to the twenty

1751
01:24:28,947 --> 01:24:30,347
Speaker 3: twenty seven Rugby World Cup.

1752
01:24:32,067 --> 01:24:35,347
Speaker 35: They do, They've spoken about that challenge. One of the

1753
01:24:35,427 --> 01:24:38,387
Speaker 35: issues is and I think everyone else apart from South

1754
01:24:38,387 --> 01:24:41,107
Speaker 35: Africa and France, is envious of their debt and the

1755
01:24:41,587 --> 01:24:43,027
Speaker 35: quality of player they have to choose from.

1756
01:24:43,547 --> 01:24:44,787
Speaker 19: We don't really have that in Ireland.

1757
01:24:44,827 --> 01:24:48,507
Speaker 35: However, I think there are players who have been pushing

1758
01:24:48,587 --> 01:24:50,827
Speaker 35: towards getting chances of Ireland whill feel they have a

1759
01:24:50,867 --> 01:24:53,787
Speaker 35: greater chance that in the next couple of years, because yeah,

1760
01:24:53,987 --> 01:24:56,347
Speaker 35: there's a sense that, you know, it's lacking a little

1761
01:24:56,387 --> 01:24:59,627
Speaker 35: bit of a zip and energy at the moment. That team,

1762
01:24:59,707 --> 01:25:01,707
Speaker 35: and actually the players who were fresher face and who

1763
01:25:01,747 --> 01:25:05,587
Speaker 35: maybe weren't as familiar to the New Zealand the audience.

1764
01:25:05,267 --> 01:25:05,787
Speaker 6: Did really well.

1765
01:25:05,827 --> 01:25:08,107
Speaker 35: I thought, like Tommy O'Brien on the wing, he had

1766
01:25:08,187 --> 01:25:11,267
Speaker 35: great energy and performance. Schuer mccosky's been around that group

1767
01:25:12,147 --> 01:25:13,627
Speaker 35: a lot in the last years, but he hasn't had

1768
01:25:13,667 --> 01:25:15,067
Speaker 35: a big start like that for a while, and he

1769
01:25:15,227 --> 01:25:18,547
Speaker 35: was excellent. Ryan Baird had some big moments as well. So, yeah,

1770
01:25:18,627 --> 01:25:22,067
Speaker 35: that's really important, that kind of regeneration into the next

1771
01:25:22,107 --> 01:25:26,387
Speaker 35: World Cup because you'll have to say, as thinks Standarland, Yeah,

1772
01:25:26,387 --> 01:25:28,707
Speaker 35: they're playing catch up with the biggest teams.

1773
01:25:29,907 --> 01:25:31,547
Speaker 3: What's your assistment of where the all blecks are at?

1774
01:25:31,587 --> 01:25:34,107
Speaker 3: Then I'd be interested to know what your your viewers

1775
01:25:34,187 --> 01:25:37,067
Speaker 3: of where the o blecks. Hours we approached the midway

1776
01:25:37,147 --> 01:25:39,267
Speaker 3: point of this World cap cycle.

1777
01:25:40,707 --> 01:25:43,307
Speaker 35: Well for sixty minutes of that game, I have to

1778
01:25:43,307 --> 01:25:45,947
Speaker 35: said I wasn't totally impressed with I thought at times

1779
01:25:45,987 --> 01:25:48,787
Speaker 35: they looked a little bit about uncertain about what they

1780
01:25:48,947 --> 01:25:51,907
Speaker 35: wanted to do or what their their plan was. But well,

1781
01:25:51,987 --> 01:25:55,307
Speaker 35: those bursts of brilliance that I described a little earlier

1782
01:25:55,347 --> 01:25:59,547
Speaker 35: on continue to make them irresistible at times. So there's,

1783
01:25:59,707 --> 01:26:03,467
Speaker 35: you know, the absolute quality core of world class players there,

1784
01:26:03,827 --> 01:26:07,747
Speaker 35: individuals who are absolutely unplayable at times when they're at

1785
01:26:07,787 --> 01:26:11,547
Speaker 35: their best. I think it at times they just don't

1786
01:26:11,547 --> 01:26:13,227
Speaker 35: look like they can control the game the way that

1787
01:26:13,347 --> 01:26:17,067
Speaker 35: they they want to, but I think credit is deserved

1788
01:26:17,107 --> 01:26:18,547
Speaker 35: because in a game like that, it would have been

1789
01:26:18,587 --> 01:26:22,107
Speaker 35: easy for them to get frustrated. Ireland were controlling territory

1790
01:26:22,107 --> 01:26:25,467
Speaker 35: at times and giving themselves opportunity. But yeah, there was

1791
01:26:25,467 --> 01:26:28,987
Speaker 35: a great mental a great mental grit in New Zealand's play.

1792
01:26:29,147 --> 01:26:32,907
Speaker 35: Like the reality is top International rugby now there's very

1793
01:26:32,987 --> 01:26:37,267
Speaker 35: little between quite a big group of teams and there's

1794
01:26:37,307 --> 01:26:39,507
Speaker 35: gonna be lots of games like that where the balance

1795
01:26:39,587 --> 01:26:40,907
Speaker 35: of the game and the flow of the game seems

1796
01:26:40,907 --> 01:26:43,347
Speaker 35: to be going against you, but you've got a stick

1797
01:26:43,387 --> 01:26:45,827
Speaker 35: in the fight and New Zealand did that in a

1798
01:26:45,907 --> 01:26:48,467
Speaker 35: big way and when they got their opportunities laid on,

1799
01:26:49,147 --> 01:26:51,907
Speaker 35: they absolutely took them. So yeah, it's been it's been

1800
01:26:51,947 --> 01:26:53,747
Speaker 35: eye opening actually this week just to be around New

1801
01:26:53,787 --> 01:26:55,987
Speaker 35: Zealand a bit more and get a sense of I

1802
01:26:55,987 --> 01:26:59,827
Speaker 35: suppose perceptions and pressures that are there for Scott Robertson

1803
01:26:59,867 --> 01:27:03,427
Speaker 35: and his coaches, but we certainly look from our share

1804
01:27:03,507 --> 01:27:06,027
Speaker 35: angle and think whether there's amazing talent in that team

1805
01:27:06,067 --> 01:27:08,747
Speaker 35: that you'd be a little bit end of yourself at times.

1806
01:27:09,467 --> 01:27:11,627
Speaker 3: Wonderful stuff. Murray, thank you so much for joining us, mate,

1807
01:27:11,627 --> 01:27:13,547
Speaker 3: Really appreciate your time. I know you're a busy man

1808
01:27:13,827 --> 01:27:16,227
Speaker 3: after test matches of this magnitude, so thanks for taking

1809
01:27:16,267 --> 01:27:16,747
Speaker 3: time for us.

1810
01:27:17,827 --> 01:27:19,667
Speaker 35: Cheers looking forward to the next battle.

1811
01:27:19,667 --> 01:27:22,747
Speaker 3: Already we are we are to Murray. Thanks. Indeed, Murray

1812
01:27:22,787 --> 01:27:27,387
Speaker 3: cansella there very highly regarded journalist and broadcaster out of

1813
01:27:27,747 --> 01:27:31,507
Speaker 3: Ireland with his views. Yours are welcome. I eight hundred

1814
01:27:31,627 --> 01:27:34,147
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. Lines are open. We're going to get

1815
01:27:34,147 --> 01:27:38,067
Speaker 3: to James mcconey in Chicago at around one forty five.

1816
01:27:38,187 --> 01:27:40,427
Speaker 3: He's over there, so I'll give us. He'll give us

1817
01:27:40,467 --> 01:27:43,227
Speaker 3: his irreverent as always view, But let's get the lines

1818
01:27:43,267 --> 01:27:45,987
Speaker 3: back open. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Anything you

1819
01:27:46,067 --> 01:27:48,587
Speaker 3: want to take out of the game this morning. Now

1820
01:27:48,707 --> 01:27:51,987
Speaker 3: we've got Bodoen Barrett's thoughts here. He was asked in

1821
01:27:52,107 --> 01:27:55,947
Speaker 3: the post match about the tackle from Tiger Byrne that

1822
01:27:56,267 --> 01:27:59,347
Speaker 3: was originally given as a yellow card and then upgraded

1823
01:27:59,667 --> 01:28:02,867
Speaker 3: to a red. Here are Boden Barrett's thoughts on that.

1824
01:28:03,947 --> 01:28:06,067
Speaker 22: That's yeah.

1825
01:28:06,547 --> 01:28:09,427
Speaker 36: I chatted to him off the game and I just said,

1826
01:28:09,667 --> 01:28:13,587
Speaker 36: like I had to say sorry because he didn't intentionally

1827
01:28:14,427 --> 01:28:16,227
Speaker 36: try and put a high shot on it just happened

1828
01:28:16,267 --> 01:28:18,227
Speaker 36: that way, and I knew that I had a shot

1829
01:28:18,307 --> 01:28:18,707
Speaker 36: to the head.

1830
01:28:18,867 --> 01:28:20,107
Speaker 19: I couldn't hide from that.

1831
01:28:21,747 --> 01:28:24,907
Speaker 36: But I also know that he may be punished for it,

1832
01:28:25,107 --> 01:28:29,267
Speaker 36: but I'll support him so it'll be mitigated and hopefully

1833
01:28:29,267 --> 01:28:32,107
Speaker 36: i'll see him back sooner than later.

1834
01:28:33,027 --> 01:28:36,307
Speaker 3: There you go, Boden Barrett with his thoughts on the red.

1835
01:28:36,427 --> 01:28:39,187
Speaker 3: He is in the corner of tiger Burn, without a

1836
01:28:39,707 --> 01:28:42,307
Speaker 3: shadow of a doubt even said there. And I don't

1837
01:28:42,307 --> 01:28:44,987
Speaker 3: know whether that happens. Does it does the player who

1838
01:28:45,107 --> 01:28:47,747
Speaker 3: was on the other end of the of the indiscretion

1839
01:28:47,907 --> 01:28:49,747
Speaker 3: in this case Boden Barrett, Do they get the chance

1840
01:28:49,867 --> 01:28:53,907
Speaker 3: to provide any evidence at these disciplinary hearings? I don't know.

1841
01:28:55,627 --> 01:28:59,587
Speaker 3: Does he get to give a viewpoint from his side

1842
01:28:59,867 --> 01:29:02,347
Speaker 3: to say, hey, it's clear to me, as a player

1843
01:29:02,667 --> 01:29:05,627
Speaker 3: who's played one hundred and forty odd test matches and

1844
01:29:05,747 --> 01:29:08,187
Speaker 3: has been in a lot of rugby battles, that there

1845
01:29:08,267 --> 01:29:12,947
Speaker 3: is no malice here, there is no intent here. Yes,

1846
01:29:13,427 --> 01:29:15,707
Speaker 3: I've taken a shot to the head. I understand what

1847
01:29:15,827 --> 01:29:19,707
Speaker 3: the rules say and therefore it's no surprise I'm sure

1848
01:29:19,707 --> 01:29:22,147
Speaker 3: about and Barrett that he looks across and sees tiger

1849
01:29:22,147 --> 01:29:25,947
Speaker 3: Burn sent to the bin. But I am almost certain

1850
01:29:26,347 --> 01:29:28,947
Speaker 3: from listening to that and from the stuff I've seen

1851
01:29:29,067 --> 01:29:32,067
Speaker 3: in and around the game online and some of the

1852
01:29:32,107 --> 01:29:37,587
Speaker 3: comments from others, that there is no I was going

1853
01:29:37,627 --> 01:29:40,387
Speaker 3: to say, there's no universal agreement that it was a red.

1854
01:29:40,467 --> 01:29:40,747
Speaker 2: There's no.

1855
01:29:41,267 --> 01:29:44,907
Speaker 3: I can't find anybody who thinks it's a red. I

1856
01:29:45,027 --> 01:29:49,267
Speaker 3: haven't seen anybody anybody on any forum that I've looked at,

1857
01:29:49,347 --> 01:29:54,587
Speaker 3: any postmatch comment from players, coaches, commentators, supporters. I can't

1858
01:29:54,627 --> 01:30:00,467
Speaker 3: find anybody who thinks that that act is red card worthy.

1859
01:30:02,467 --> 01:30:05,587
Speaker 3: What does that tell you when a player himself Bowden

1860
01:30:05,627 --> 01:30:10,387
Speaker 3: Barrett has comeming out and saying that ain't read I

1861
01:30:10,547 --> 01:30:18,227
Speaker 3: feel sorry for Tiger Burn? Then what are we doing, Steve?

1862
01:30:18,307 --> 01:30:18,667
Speaker 2: II? Mate?

1863
01:30:19,547 --> 01:30:19,747
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1864
01:30:19,787 --> 01:30:20,907
Speaker 31: Here you going good?

1865
01:30:21,947 --> 01:30:22,107
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1866
01:30:22,187 --> 01:30:25,107
Speaker 37: Yeah, I just want to comment. There's actually, I reckon

1867
01:30:25,187 --> 01:30:28,587
Speaker 37: a case to be made for the fact that the

1868
01:30:28,667 --> 01:30:31,987
Speaker 37: Irish player didn't really move off his line. Bowden basically

1869
01:30:32,067 --> 01:30:35,827
Speaker 37: ran into him, you know, So, I reckon it was

1870
01:30:36,067 --> 01:30:38,747
Speaker 37: even a yellow. It was a bit a bit of

1871
01:30:38,787 --> 01:30:39,787
Speaker 37: a stretch, to be honest.

1872
01:30:40,507 --> 01:30:42,667
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a defender has to be aware that

1873
01:30:42,787 --> 01:30:45,387
Speaker 3: attacking players with ball and hand are running towards them,

1874
01:30:45,427 --> 01:30:47,467
Speaker 3: and therefore they have to do all they can not

1875
01:30:47,667 --> 01:30:52,187
Speaker 3: to have contact with their head. Steve, your point, I

1876
01:30:52,227 --> 01:30:54,267
Speaker 3: think the point's valid and that it just it was.

1877
01:30:54,547 --> 01:30:56,747
Speaker 3: It was a split second. It happened all of a sudden.

1878
01:30:57,067 --> 01:30:58,947
Speaker 3: Tiger Burn looks up in Bote and Barrat's there on

1879
01:30:59,027 --> 01:31:01,747
Speaker 3: the end of a forward pass and it's just there

1880
01:31:01,827 --> 01:31:03,267
Speaker 3: and they just collide.

1881
01:31:04,547 --> 01:31:07,107
Speaker 37: Yeah, you know, I think it's a bit but unlucky.

1882
01:31:07,107 --> 01:31:08,987
Speaker 37: I mean, there's been several of those over the last

1883
01:31:08,987 --> 01:31:12,547
Speaker 37: few years where the guy with the ball on hand

1884
01:31:12,707 --> 01:31:14,587
Speaker 37: is sort of run around a ruck with something gone

1885
01:31:15,027 --> 01:31:17,867
Speaker 37: flattered straight into someone and the other poor bugger's got

1886
01:31:18,747 --> 01:31:21,947
Speaker 37: yellow carded or in some cases red I do think that.

1887
01:31:22,307 --> 01:31:24,067
Speaker 37: I mean it's also up to the ball carrier to

1888
01:31:24,347 --> 01:31:28,467
Speaker 37: try and avoid the other player as well. So I

1889
01:31:28,547 --> 01:31:31,467
Speaker 37: think there's a little bit on Bowden as well to

1890
01:31:31,947 --> 01:31:34,107
Speaker 37: you know, if you want to run into someone like that,

1891
01:31:34,307 --> 01:31:37,227
Speaker 37: that's Yeah. I feel for the Irish player and it

1892
01:31:37,267 --> 01:31:39,027
Speaker 37: should never have been upgrade to red card.

1893
01:31:39,067 --> 01:31:42,387
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think we can apportion anything to

1894
01:31:42,427 --> 01:31:44,227
Speaker 3: Boden Barret here, Steve. I think he's got the ball,

1895
01:31:44,307 --> 01:31:47,587
Speaker 3: he's and again it happened very quickly, but he doesn't

1896
01:31:48,387 --> 01:31:51,267
Speaker 3: I don't think he has to mitigate anything. He just

1897
01:31:51,387 --> 01:31:54,787
Speaker 3: runs with the ball as you're allowed to do, and

1898
01:31:56,027 --> 01:31:59,507
Speaker 3: it is up to the tackler to wrap his arms

1899
01:31:59,867 --> 01:32:04,947
Speaker 3: and not make contact with the head. But in that

1900
01:32:05,107 --> 01:32:09,587
Speaker 3: split second, I define any human being to be able

1901
01:32:09,667 --> 01:32:16,027
Speaker 3: to do that quickly enough to avoid the contact and

1902
01:32:16,107 --> 01:32:19,227
Speaker 3: therefore okay, because the head is sacrisanct and there is

1903
01:32:19,267 --> 01:32:22,907
Speaker 3: a big drive by world rugby around this stuff. As

1904
01:32:22,947 --> 01:32:25,387
Speaker 3: we know, the yellow card I think is fair enough.

1905
01:32:25,747 --> 01:32:27,867
Speaker 3: I'm not sure there's anybody really and Steve, you make

1906
01:32:27,907 --> 01:32:29,507
Speaker 3: a point. Maybe it was just a penalty in the

1907
01:32:29,547 --> 01:32:32,347
Speaker 3: eyes of some people. I think most people are okay

1908
01:32:32,427 --> 01:32:35,107
Speaker 3: with the yellow card under the framework that we know

1909
01:32:35,267 --> 01:32:39,147
Speaker 3: rugby has played in. But as I say, I found nobody,

1910
01:32:40,107 --> 01:32:46,747
Speaker 3: nobody who thinks it was a red. Thanks for your call, Steve, Hello, Ryan, Good, thank.

1911
01:32:46,627 --> 01:32:48,387
Speaker 19: You, Thanks for hey.

1912
01:32:49,587 --> 01:32:54,307
Speaker 12: My thoughts this great great to see a victory, of course,

1913
01:32:55,267 --> 01:32:59,907
Speaker 12: thoughts are though. We're two years into Rais's career and

1914
01:32:59,987 --> 01:33:02,507
Speaker 12: I'm looking at as an all Black career. I'm looking

1915
01:33:02,547 --> 01:33:04,547
Speaker 12: at that team and I see a team of great, great,

1916
01:33:04,627 --> 01:33:07,027
Speaker 12: great players, But I'm not sure I'm a great team

1917
01:33:07,067 --> 01:33:11,347
Speaker 12: out there. It's it's really interesting. I just I just

1918
01:33:11,787 --> 01:33:14,667
Speaker 12: I know it's super successful at the super level, but

1919
01:33:14,707 --> 01:33:19,467
Speaker 12: I'm just I'm just waiting to watch the All Blacks

1920
01:33:19,547 --> 01:33:21,907
Speaker 12: unleash and and and we haven't seen it.

1921
01:33:22,147 --> 01:33:23,027
Speaker 19: And it wasn't.

1922
01:33:23,307 --> 01:33:26,347
Speaker 12: I mean, it came in the last court perhaps, but

1923
01:33:26,467 --> 01:33:29,907
Speaker 12: it wasn't unleashed. I just see a team of awesome players,

1924
01:33:29,947 --> 01:33:33,707
Speaker 12: you know, man for man, look across the globe, picked

1925
01:33:33,707 --> 01:33:38,187
Speaker 12: your players. There'll be biases, of course, but overall, I

1926
01:33:38,467 --> 01:33:42,587
Speaker 12: just don't see the All Blacks. I just don't see

1927
01:33:42,627 --> 01:33:46,587
Speaker 12: them as as a tend that just, you know, that

1928
01:33:46,787 --> 01:33:49,027
Speaker 12: aura that we had. I'm not sure what I'm not

1929
01:33:49,107 --> 01:33:50,987
Speaker 12: sure what it's, what it's going to take and and

1930
01:33:51,707 --> 01:33:54,067
Speaker 12: I'm not sure what I thought Raiser would have brought

1931
01:33:54,107 --> 01:33:58,747
Speaker 12: it being you know, being his undoubted and look I'm

1932
01:33:58,787 --> 01:34:03,707
Speaker 12: no I'm no Crusaders fan has undoubted and and and

1933
01:34:04,187 --> 01:34:06,947
Speaker 12: success at super level. It's just I just I see

1934
01:34:06,987 --> 01:34:09,147
Speaker 12: a great I see great players, but I don't see

1935
01:34:09,147 --> 01:34:09,627
Speaker 12: a great team.

1936
01:34:10,347 --> 01:34:13,227
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Ryan, how optimistic are you

1937
01:34:13,427 --> 01:34:16,987
Speaker 3: that we will see that in the next two years

1938
01:34:17,027 --> 01:34:18,227
Speaker 3: heading to the Rugby World Cup.

1939
01:34:19,547 --> 01:34:24,467
Speaker 12: Well, okay, so I'll say I'm fifty fifty I thought

1940
01:34:24,507 --> 01:34:25,627
Speaker 12: we would have seen it by now.

1941
01:34:27,227 --> 01:34:31,827
Speaker 3: Interesting. Yeah, I mean it's a really interesting conversation because

1942
01:34:32,187 --> 01:34:34,307
Speaker 3: we all know, as we know, yeah, yeah, look, as

1943
01:34:34,347 --> 01:34:39,587
Speaker 3: we know. You know, super rugby as a scenario under

1944
01:34:39,587 --> 01:34:41,187
Speaker 3: which you see you guys every week, you see them

1945
01:34:41,187 --> 01:34:43,627
Speaker 3: every day, you work with them for months and months

1946
01:34:43,667 --> 01:34:46,627
Speaker 3: on end, and the result is that you've got a

1947
01:34:46,707 --> 01:34:49,147
Speaker 3: very cohesive bunch of players who you work with. So

1948
01:34:49,307 --> 01:34:52,067
Speaker 3: intimately All Blacks is different. Having said that, there have

1949
01:34:52,147 --> 01:34:53,827
Speaker 3: been great All Blacks teams in the past who have

1950
01:34:53,907 --> 01:34:56,667
Speaker 3: come from all over the place and meshed quickly as

1951
01:34:56,747 --> 01:35:00,187
Speaker 3: a team. I think the last twenty minutes gives me encouragement. Ryan,

1952
01:35:00,267 --> 01:35:03,107
Speaker 3: I have to say, you know that there is that

1953
01:35:03,307 --> 01:35:05,427
Speaker 3: cohesion starting to build. I think that's the best twenty

1954
01:35:05,467 --> 01:35:09,387
Speaker 3: minutes I've seen from a Scott Robertson coached All Black side.

1955
01:35:10,707 --> 01:35:12,907
Speaker 3: I hope to see more over the next three weeks

1956
01:35:12,947 --> 01:35:16,387
Speaker 3: and on towards next year, because if we're talking, if

1957
01:35:16,427 --> 01:35:18,747
Speaker 3: you and I are talking a year from now and

1958
01:35:18,907 --> 01:35:21,907
Speaker 3: it still hasn't happened, and then we're inside a year

1959
01:35:21,947 --> 01:35:24,067
Speaker 3: from the Rugby World Cup, then we probably have to

1960
01:35:24,427 --> 01:35:26,267
Speaker 3: start having a more serious conversation.

1961
01:35:27,107 --> 01:35:30,467
Speaker 12: Yeah, quite right, I just looked again. I'm No, I'm

1962
01:35:30,507 --> 01:35:31,827
Speaker 12: not anti Razor at all.

1963
01:35:32,467 --> 01:35:33,907
Speaker 17: I am a kay boy.

1964
01:35:33,987 --> 01:35:36,907
Speaker 12: So Fozi's was I thought he was hard done by it,

1965
01:35:36,947 --> 01:35:39,827
Speaker 12: But I'm not anti Razer at all. But I just

1966
01:35:39,987 --> 01:35:44,587
Speaker 12: don't see like what what way Crusaders was set again,

1967
01:35:45,427 --> 01:35:47,507
Speaker 12: he's the chiefs in the final squaers. The way that

1968
01:35:47,707 --> 01:35:50,627
Speaker 12: the way the Crusaders for his team would squeeze a

1969
01:35:50,667 --> 01:35:52,827
Speaker 12: team out and out play teams, I don't see that

1970
01:35:52,907 --> 01:35:53,787
Speaker 12: at an international level.

1971
01:35:54,907 --> 01:35:57,227
Speaker 3: Good point, well made, Ryan, Thanks mate, Please stay in touch,

1972
01:35:57,467 --> 01:35:59,907
Speaker 3: Callbeck any time. Let's continue to chat and hopefully we

1973
01:36:00,027 --> 01:36:03,387
Speaker 3: do see some uptick this year, next and onwards. Good

1974
01:36:03,427 --> 01:36:06,827
Speaker 3: to chat to you. Hello, Pete, Hey, how you doing good?

1975
01:36:06,867 --> 01:36:07,107
Speaker 3: Thank you?

1976
01:36:07,347 --> 01:36:13,147
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm probably going to be comparating the wishes of

1977
01:36:14,227 --> 01:36:16,387
Speaker 10: basically the whole rugby viewing community and that all we

1978
01:36:16,547 --> 01:36:22,067
Speaker 10: ask for from our referees is consistency. And you know,

1979
01:36:22,147 --> 01:36:26,387
Speaker 10: when I saw the yellow card, I thought, you know,

1980
01:36:26,667 --> 01:36:29,347
Speaker 10: it is so similar to the Rugby World Cup when

1981
01:36:29,387 --> 01:36:31,667
Speaker 10: Jesse Creole had a last minute Janjr. Direction and ran

1982
01:36:31,747 --> 01:36:37,307
Speaker 10: upright at Seam Kaine. It's just so so very very similar.

1983
01:36:38,587 --> 01:36:42,467
Speaker 10: And I think Boden Barrett's comments need to be seen

1984
01:36:42,547 --> 01:36:45,547
Speaker 10: in that light. We want that level of consistency, and

1985
01:36:45,627 --> 01:36:47,507
Speaker 10: I think it's a very good move from Boden Bear.

1986
01:36:47,667 --> 01:36:50,507
Speaker 10: It's saying to the rugby refereeing community, says, hey, you've

1987
01:36:50,587 --> 01:36:54,867
Speaker 10: got to start making that distinction between a deliberate foul

1988
01:36:55,347 --> 01:36:59,147
Speaker 10: play action and accidental collision, because I don't think they're

1989
01:36:59,187 --> 01:36:59,507
Speaker 10: doing that.

1990
01:37:00,387 --> 01:37:02,747
Speaker 3: So, Peter, here's what as you were saying. I knew

1991
01:37:02,747 --> 01:37:04,507
Speaker 3: you were going to say, all we want is consistency.

1992
01:37:04,587 --> 01:37:06,867
Speaker 3: You know what I want more than consistency now, I

1993
01:37:06,987 --> 01:37:10,387
Speaker 3: want a feel for the game from our referees.

1994
01:37:11,827 --> 01:37:14,387
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, you know when you're talking about referees

1995
01:37:14,507 --> 01:37:18,787
Speaker 10: have a feel for the game. The classic example, the

1996
01:37:18,947 --> 01:37:20,987
Speaker 10: template for a referee has a feeling the game has

1997
01:37:20,987 --> 01:37:25,987
Speaker 10: got to be Nigel Odds that if we could clone

1998
01:37:26,067 --> 01:37:28,707
Speaker 10: him and have him for every international, I think the

1999
01:37:29,707 --> 01:37:34,147
Speaker 10: game itself would improve no end. It's just, you know,

2000
01:37:34,627 --> 01:37:37,347
Speaker 10: things happen on a raby field that nobody intends to happen,

2001
01:37:38,587 --> 01:37:43,267
Speaker 10: and unfortunately we have referees who have become very officious

2002
01:37:44,067 --> 01:37:47,787
Speaker 10: and just seem to see everything in a lot in

2003
01:37:48,307 --> 01:37:51,707
Speaker 10: the worst possible light. It can only harm the game.

2004
01:37:51,787 --> 01:37:54,427
Speaker 10: I thought it was a spectacle. It was rather turgent today,

2005
01:37:55,307 --> 01:37:56,667
Speaker 10: a very very difficult watch.

2006
01:37:57,787 --> 01:38:00,707
Speaker 3: But the other thing just before I move is around

2007
01:38:00,827 --> 01:38:01,387
Speaker 3: red cards.

2008
01:38:01,467 --> 01:38:01,547
Speaker 13: Right.

2009
01:38:01,587 --> 01:38:04,067
Speaker 3: You think about a red card in any sport and

2010
01:38:04,147 --> 01:38:06,107
Speaker 3: you if if someone said you're such and such got

2011
01:38:06,147 --> 01:38:08,587
Speaker 3: a card, the thing you jumped to is like they've

2012
01:38:08,627 --> 01:38:12,747
Speaker 3: done something pretty seriously wrong, something something grievous, something heenous,

2013
01:38:13,147 --> 01:38:15,947
Speaker 3: that hasn't happened in the situation. You know, I feel

2014
01:38:15,987 --> 01:38:18,667
Speaker 3: as though Rugby has moved away from that, that it

2015
01:38:19,227 --> 01:38:23,547
Speaker 3: is now giving red cards for things which to the

2016
01:38:23,707 --> 01:38:27,227
Speaker 3: average rugby fan like you and I, isn't a red

2017
01:38:27,347 --> 01:38:30,947
Speaker 3: card offense. That's that's how I feel, and it was

2018
01:38:31,027 --> 01:38:32,507
Speaker 3: reinforced by that one this morning.

2019
01:38:33,307 --> 01:38:35,787
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, you know when we look seeing some

2020
01:38:35,867 --> 01:38:39,347
Speaker 10: of the classic Bred cards, you know, the classic ones

2021
01:38:39,587 --> 01:38:42,667
Speaker 10: like the Irish player that ian was Helly that was

2022
01:38:42,827 --> 01:38:46,107
Speaker 10: nearing the head of McCaw and the ruck when you're

2023
01:38:46,107 --> 01:38:49,667
Speaker 10: seeing the punches getting thrown and you know people, you know,

2024
01:38:50,347 --> 01:38:53,107
Speaker 10: these horrible high shots that you see. Yeah, you know

2025
01:38:53,227 --> 01:38:57,747
Speaker 10: that's deliberate, stupid, but an accidental delision is part of

2026
01:38:57,787 --> 01:39:02,467
Speaker 10: the game. Shouldn't be treated as a carnival offense, certainly

2027
01:39:02,587 --> 01:39:03,307
Speaker 10: not in terms of a.

2028
01:39:03,347 --> 01:39:07,147
Speaker 3: Red great point well made, Pete, Thanks indeed, mate for

2029
01:39:07,227 --> 01:39:09,867
Speaker 3: calling in. Call back anytime. One twenty eight News Talks.

2030
01:39:09,907 --> 01:39:11,427
Speaker 3: They'll be back with more of your calls after this.

2031
01:39:12,347 --> 01:39:16,227
Speaker 2: It's more than just a game. Weekend Sport with Jason

2032
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2034
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Speaker 3: News Talks, They'll be one thirty. Yeah, let's keep going.

2035
01:39:24,507 --> 01:39:25,867
Speaker 3: Get a Gary, thanks for holding mate.

2036
01:39:27,147 --> 01:39:30,867
Speaker 8: Get here you going piney good Gary. Hey, just want

2037
01:39:30,907 --> 01:39:33,787
Speaker 8: to give a different aspect to the HIA and the

2038
01:39:33,907 --> 01:39:37,347
Speaker 8: red card. So I'm a rugby referee, right, and I've

2039
01:39:37,387 --> 01:39:40,227
Speaker 8: had the privilege of being on the sideline at lots

2040
01:39:40,267 --> 01:39:44,427
Speaker 8: of NPC games, right, And there's a game manager there,

2041
01:39:44,627 --> 01:39:48,827
Speaker 8: and if there is a player that is suspected that

2042
01:39:48,947 --> 01:39:52,627
Speaker 8: they're in some concern or whatever, they pulled off straight away. Now,

2043
01:39:52,787 --> 01:39:57,187
Speaker 8: just because someone gets a head contact doesn't necessarily mean oh,

2044
01:39:57,267 --> 01:40:00,347
Speaker 8: that player's got heads contact, therefore they get HIA. It

2045
01:40:00,427 --> 01:40:02,827
Speaker 8: doesn't actually sort of work like that. So I think

2046
01:40:02,827 --> 01:40:05,747
Speaker 8: if there was any level of concern for Boden, he

2047
01:40:05,787 --> 01:40:08,107
Speaker 8: would have been I have no doubt about that. I

2048
01:40:08,187 --> 01:40:10,907
Speaker 8: think there's the systems in place for that, so it's

2049
01:40:11,307 --> 01:40:12,467
Speaker 8: it's not just as automatic.

2050
01:40:13,067 --> 01:40:15,987
Speaker 3: Yeah, can I just I want to chat more with you, Gary,

2051
01:40:15,987 --> 01:40:20,467
Speaker 3: But so, I just don't understand how a headshot like that,

2052
01:40:20,707 --> 01:40:23,387
Speaker 3: which is, you know, which is reasonably significant, and the

2053
01:40:23,427 --> 01:40:26,267
Speaker 3: one on the second half where Ringro's got him fairly

2054
01:40:26,307 --> 01:40:29,147
Speaker 3: and his head snap back, why doesn't that set off

2055
01:40:29,187 --> 01:40:34,707
Speaker 3: the mouthguard And yet other seemingly innocuous contacts do, and

2056
01:40:34,867 --> 01:40:36,787
Speaker 3: players when they're told they've got to go to the

2057
01:40:36,867 --> 01:40:39,987
Speaker 3: sideline for an HIA triggered by their mouthguard, seem utterly

2058
01:40:40,067 --> 01:40:41,707
Speaker 3: mystified with what's happened.

2059
01:40:43,147 --> 01:40:45,067
Speaker 8: I can't come mean too much on the mouthguard, the

2060
01:40:45,187 --> 01:40:47,907
Speaker 8: new mouthguards. I haven't got any experience with those, but

2061
01:40:48,067 --> 01:40:51,507
Speaker 8: we had trained at a senior rugby level here to

2062
01:40:51,707 --> 01:40:54,667
Speaker 8: read signs of players and have a look at how

2063
01:40:54,747 --> 01:40:57,827
Speaker 8: they're acting and behaving and seeing what things like their

2064
01:40:57,947 --> 01:41:00,947
Speaker 8: arms are doing and how they get how they're standing

2065
01:41:01,067 --> 01:41:03,747
Speaker 8: up and things like that, and so they're sitting trigger points.

2066
01:41:03,827 --> 01:41:05,947
Speaker 8: And I guess all I can say to that is

2067
01:41:05,987 --> 01:41:09,067
Speaker 8: that the same contact can hit on two people and

2068
01:41:09,147 --> 01:41:10,107
Speaker 8: get a different reaction.

2069
01:41:10,707 --> 01:41:12,427
Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, I don't know.

2070
01:41:12,587 --> 01:41:15,747
Speaker 8: I trust the process and the system that there's a

2071
01:41:15,827 --> 01:41:19,947
Speaker 8: doctor there. If there was any signs, As I say,

2072
01:41:19,987 --> 01:41:22,867
Speaker 8: from what I've seen at in PC level personally thirty

2073
01:41:22,907 --> 01:41:26,147
Speaker 8: forty fifty times at games, if there was any level

2074
01:41:26,187 --> 01:41:28,067
Speaker 8: of concern for the player, there is no way that

2075
01:41:28,067 --> 01:41:30,067
Speaker 8: they would be allowed to carry on, gotcha?

2076
01:41:31,627 --> 01:41:31,827
Speaker 19: Yeah?

2077
01:41:31,947 --> 01:41:32,867
Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah yeah?

2078
01:41:32,987 --> 01:41:34,787
Speaker 3: What about the other groade? What about the upgrade?

2079
01:41:34,827 --> 01:41:34,987
Speaker 19: Yeah?

2080
01:41:34,987 --> 01:41:35,787
Speaker 3: What about the upgrade?

2081
01:41:36,707 --> 01:41:39,947
Speaker 8: The red card? Right, So if you read the technicalities

2082
01:41:40,107 --> 01:41:43,347
Speaker 8: and all everything in the law and all of in

2083
01:41:43,427 --> 01:41:46,707
Speaker 8: everything that it says, that is a I'll give it

2084
01:41:46,787 --> 01:41:49,907
Speaker 8: a marginal red card. Our referees group chat this morning,

2085
01:41:50,147 --> 01:41:52,867
Speaker 8: every big game, our referees group chats always going off,

2086
01:41:53,787 --> 01:41:57,707
Speaker 8: and our general feeling was that it was a i'll

2087
01:41:57,787 --> 01:42:01,067
Speaker 8: call it a marginal read. You know, it had you know,

2088
01:42:01,347 --> 01:42:03,867
Speaker 8: all of the things. Now, the problem being is that

2089
01:42:03,987 --> 01:42:08,387
Speaker 8: a marginal read versus you know, a Darcy Swaying tipping

2090
01:42:08,467 --> 01:42:10,907
Speaker 8: over Quinty Pye. That's the one that comes to my

2091
01:42:11,027 --> 01:42:12,507
Speaker 8: mind a few years ago. That was a read. And

2092
01:42:12,747 --> 01:42:14,987
Speaker 8: you know that guys should probably you anyway, And so

2093
01:42:15,347 --> 01:42:17,147
Speaker 8: it was certainly at a it was certainly at a

2094
01:42:17,307 --> 01:42:20,187
Speaker 8: marginal end of the red and I and that's the

2095
01:42:20,267 --> 01:42:23,187
Speaker 8: hard thing with a red card, you know, there's not

2096
01:42:23,307 --> 01:42:25,267
Speaker 8: as much range and a yellow if you get what

2097
01:42:25,347 --> 01:42:26,947
Speaker 8: I mean. Whereas in a reed you can have a

2098
01:42:27,427 --> 01:42:29,507
Speaker 8: pay some bloat can punch someone else in the head

2099
01:42:29,547 --> 01:42:31,387
Speaker 8: and that's a red card, and you can have that's

2100
01:42:31,427 --> 01:42:34,547
Speaker 8: a red cat, and there's more of a that's it's

2101
01:42:34,547 --> 01:42:37,467
Speaker 8: a bit of a hard one and I technically, according

2102
01:42:37,507 --> 01:42:39,667
Speaker 8: to the law, it was a read, but I really

2103
01:42:39,787 --> 01:42:42,427
Speaker 8: feel a little bit it was on the marginal end

2104
01:42:42,467 --> 01:42:43,067
Speaker 8: of my opinion.

2105
01:42:43,547 --> 01:42:45,507
Speaker 3: Yeah, great perspective, Garrett. I need to get in your

2106
01:42:45,587 --> 01:42:48,707
Speaker 3: referees Chap into referees WhatsApp group. I think I would

2107
01:42:48,787 --> 01:42:51,067
Speaker 3: learn a lot in there. I'm not suggesting that you

2108
01:42:51,187 --> 01:42:53,467
Speaker 3: invite me aboard, but I think that would be a

2109
01:42:53,587 --> 01:42:56,027
Speaker 3: great what tap group to be a part of. Hey, Gary,

2110
01:42:56,067 --> 01:42:57,907
Speaker 3: thanks for ringing man. I've heard you on with Mike Hosking.

2111
01:42:57,947 --> 01:43:00,427
Speaker 3: I feel honored that you've wrung me as well. Thanks

2112
01:43:00,467 --> 01:43:02,467
Speaker 3: for your cal oh eight one hundred and eighty ten

2113
01:43:02,467 --> 01:43:03,387
Speaker 3: aty Barry High.

2114
01:43:03,267 --> 01:43:05,827
Speaker 33: Mate, Yeah, get as man has a game.

2115
01:43:06,067 --> 01:43:06,547
Speaker 3: Good Thank you.

2116
01:43:07,667 --> 01:43:07,827
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2117
01:43:07,907 --> 01:43:09,547
Speaker 33: Firstly, I must say, you know a good one of

2118
01:43:09,587 --> 01:43:13,507
Speaker 33: the av's congratulations. But I would like to just sort

2119
01:43:13,507 --> 01:43:15,667
Speaker 33: of chuck out a bit of a wide view, you know,

2120
01:43:15,867 --> 01:43:20,147
Speaker 33: more from a fans perspective than anything else. And if

2121
01:43:20,187 --> 01:43:23,667
Speaker 33: we look at you know, the modern game. You know,

2122
01:43:23,747 --> 01:43:26,907
Speaker 33: there's forty six players that play the game and their

2123
01:43:26,987 --> 01:43:30,067
Speaker 33: first job really is to enjoy themselves and at the

2124
01:43:30,107 --> 01:43:34,427
Speaker 33: same time provide a spectacle that is both exciting and entertaining.

2125
01:43:35,547 --> 01:43:37,747
Speaker 33: Now that sort of extends to the fans that are

2126
01:43:37,907 --> 01:43:40,827
Speaker 33: firstly at the game, in this case sixty two thousand

2127
01:43:40,907 --> 01:43:41,187
Speaker 33: of them.

2128
01:43:42,347 --> 01:43:43,907
Speaker 18: You know, they pay, they pay big.

2129
01:43:43,827 --> 01:43:46,587
Speaker 33: Money to travel to another country for a start off,

2130
01:43:47,187 --> 01:43:49,467
Speaker 33: buy a ticket to go to one of these games, accommodation,

2131
01:43:49,627 --> 01:43:52,147
Speaker 33: et cetera, et cetera, and on the back of that

2132
01:43:52,267 --> 01:43:57,027
Speaker 33: they expect to be entertained. Now I don't actually, I'm

2133
01:43:57,067 --> 01:43:59,427
Speaker 33: not convinced that we are being entertained, if you know

2134
01:43:59,547 --> 01:44:05,267
Speaker 33: what I'm saying. The insociating is becoming so nitpicky that

2135
01:44:05,387 --> 01:44:09,907
Speaker 33: I think it's bord on damaging the game rather than

2136
01:44:09,987 --> 01:44:14,227
Speaker 33: helping it. You know, you know, those fans must be meant,

2137
01:44:14,467 --> 01:44:17,187
Speaker 33: especially if the Irish fan you would be immensely frustrated

2138
01:44:17,227 --> 01:44:19,627
Speaker 33: to have traveled to another country from your home country

2139
01:44:19,667 --> 01:44:24,107
Speaker 33: to support your team. To Watson do under fourteen players.

2140
01:44:25,227 --> 01:44:25,787
Speaker 12: Must be tough.

2141
01:44:28,227 --> 01:44:30,987
Speaker 3: I think the balance to strike Barry is spectacle, the

2142
01:44:31,187 --> 01:44:35,787
Speaker 3: safety isn't it? And you're so right, Yeah, yeah, the

2143
01:44:35,867 --> 01:44:37,507
Speaker 3: fan has to sit in the middle of the conversation.

2144
01:44:37,627 --> 01:44:41,667
Speaker 3: For me, hest fan is nothing, but I think yeah.

2145
01:44:42,587 --> 01:44:44,547
Speaker 33: To me, the problem is, I look at that particular

2146
01:44:44,587 --> 01:44:49,627
Speaker 33: one we're talking about today and my first instance was, oh, yeah, penalty,

2147
01:44:49,827 --> 01:44:53,307
Speaker 33: perhaps a yellow. But I was completely mystified when they

2148
01:44:53,387 --> 01:44:54,987
Speaker 33: went to a red. I thought, you've got to be

2149
01:44:55,027 --> 01:44:57,987
Speaker 33: kidding me, really, And the downside to that is that

2150
01:44:58,147 --> 01:45:01,027
Speaker 33: that team that goes down to fourteen, what was their

2151
01:45:01,107 --> 01:45:04,267
Speaker 33: mindset now that some of them go into a negative mindset.

2152
01:45:04,667 --> 01:45:06,267
Speaker 33: They want ball out of play, They want to re

2153
01:45:06,427 --> 01:45:08,707
Speaker 33: set scrums that when they have injured players sitting on

2154
01:45:08,787 --> 01:45:11,107
Speaker 33: the ground, you just want to chew up in the

2155
01:45:11,187 --> 01:45:14,227
Speaker 33: first instance ten minutes and then they've had to chew

2156
01:45:14,307 --> 01:45:17,627
Speaker 33: up twenty minutes. So I think it's damaging for the game,

2157
01:45:18,787 --> 01:45:21,147
Speaker 33: and to me, there's a further add onto that. The

2158
01:45:21,227 --> 01:45:23,707
Speaker 33: second big issue for me is that because we have

2159
01:45:23,867 --> 01:45:27,947
Speaker 33: so many of the ex players that sits on commentary panels,

2160
01:45:28,467 --> 01:45:32,147
Speaker 33: I believe that protecting the game. And when I say that,

2161
01:45:32,387 --> 01:45:36,787
Speaker 33: I mean I think they actually signed contracts to say

2162
01:45:36,947 --> 01:45:39,307
Speaker 33: things along the lines that they will not bring the

2163
01:45:39,387 --> 01:45:42,227
Speaker 33: gamer to distribute with what they say or do, so

2164
01:45:42,947 --> 01:45:45,387
Speaker 33: their hands are a little bit tied as to how

2165
01:45:45,507 --> 01:45:48,347
Speaker 33: openly they can speak about these things that are frustrating

2166
01:45:48,427 --> 01:45:48,707
Speaker 33: the game.

2167
01:45:49,267 --> 01:45:50,987
Speaker 3: Yeah, Barry, I can tell you for a fact that

2168
01:45:51,147 --> 01:45:55,787
Speaker 3: is not the case. No one, Well, okay, I can

2169
01:45:55,827 --> 01:45:57,427
Speaker 3: tell you from a Sky Sport point of view that

2170
01:45:57,547 --> 01:46:02,267
Speaker 3: is not the case. I'm employed on a contract basis

2171
01:46:02,307 --> 01:46:05,547
Speaker 3: by Sky Sport as well, not for rugby, but for football,

2172
01:46:06,187 --> 01:46:08,747
Speaker 3: and at no time have I ever been asked to

2173
01:46:08,787 --> 01:46:14,147
Speaker 3: do that. And while rugby potentially could be different, I'm

2174
01:46:14,267 --> 01:46:20,467
Speaker 3: almost positive that nobody at Sky the likes of Jeff Wilson, Mills,

2175
01:46:20,627 --> 01:46:26,547
Speaker 3: Mullyana Justin Marshall, any of them, have signed anything or

2176
01:46:26,667 --> 01:46:32,427
Speaker 3: even been instructed verbally to not voice of you. That

2177
01:46:32,547 --> 01:46:34,987
Speaker 3: might be detrimental to the spectacle of game of rugby,

2178
01:46:36,027 --> 01:46:39,987
Speaker 3: but your point is a valid one. Around the spectacle

2179
01:46:40,027 --> 01:46:43,147
Speaker 3: of the game, the fan must be in the center

2180
01:46:43,227 --> 01:46:47,507
Speaker 3: of the conversation, must be in the center of any discussion.

2181
01:46:47,547 --> 01:46:49,147
Speaker 3: Thanks for your col Hanadi.

2182
01:46:49,427 --> 01:46:51,547
Speaker 22: Hello, he good.

2183
01:46:51,427 --> 01:46:55,347
Speaker 16: Afternoon, How are you mate? Very good, It's good to hear.

2184
01:46:55,387 --> 01:46:57,867
Speaker 16: It's good to hear. Hey the game this morning, Keez

2185
01:46:58,107 --> 01:47:02,547
Speaker 16: he's in a rugby fans there brain dead sometimes and

2186
01:47:02,627 --> 01:47:05,387
Speaker 16: we all have short memories if we don't forget that.

2187
01:47:05,547 --> 01:47:09,267
Speaker 16: Sim Keen said out the entire World Cup Grand Final

2188
01:47:09,307 --> 01:47:12,307
Speaker 16: and we nearly won, and he lost on account of

2189
01:47:12,347 --> 01:47:15,747
Speaker 16: we missed how many kicks? So when people say that

2190
01:47:15,987 --> 01:47:19,987
Speaker 16: Ireland down one man and it makes the game less exciting,

2191
01:47:20,067 --> 01:47:23,627
Speaker 16: it doesn't, and it's their own fault. Look, if someone's

2192
01:47:23,667 --> 01:47:26,387
Speaker 16: getting a red card, I'm all for it these days,

2193
01:47:26,467 --> 01:47:29,507
Speaker 16: especially after what I saw happened to Sam Kaine. There

2194
01:47:29,587 --> 01:47:36,067
Speaker 16: was a bit of you know, yes, right right is it.

2195
01:47:39,627 --> 01:47:39,827
Speaker 9: Card?

2196
01:47:40,747 --> 01:47:40,947
Speaker 22: Yeah?

2197
01:47:41,627 --> 01:47:45,187
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, use we use that as air filter though,

2198
01:47:45,427 --> 01:47:47,147
Speaker 3: because it was you know, he was hard done by.

2199
01:47:47,187 --> 01:47:49,147
Speaker 3: Because I think we can agree Sam King was hard

2200
01:47:49,187 --> 01:47:49,547
Speaker 3: done by.

2201
01:47:50,107 --> 01:47:53,787
Speaker 18: Yeah yeah, and we nearly won with fourteen men, So

2202
01:47:53,907 --> 01:47:57,227
Speaker 18: I don't you know, the game necessarily isn't over when

2203
01:47:57,267 --> 01:47:58,027
Speaker 18: you get a red card.

2204
01:47:58,507 --> 01:47:59,467
Speaker 31: Yep, do you know what I mean?

2205
01:48:00,627 --> 01:48:06,867
Speaker 18: Sure, it's and and circrifices like today it's really said

2206
01:48:06,987 --> 01:48:09,507
Speaker 18: because you know it obviously wasn't a red cart, but

2207
01:48:10,467 --> 01:48:12,827
Speaker 18: you know, and also getting to Razor, like everyone's like,

2208
01:48:12,907 --> 01:48:16,147
Speaker 18: oh rais is no good, He's he's thirty's left luster,

2209
01:48:16,227 --> 01:48:20,187
Speaker 18: he's well everybody's said there to Darian Foster meet. Everybody

2210
01:48:20,267 --> 01:48:22,547
Speaker 18: wrote off via Foster and has all Blacks long before

2211
01:48:22,547 --> 01:48:23,867
Speaker 18: the World Cup came along.

2212
01:48:24,107 --> 01:48:24,907
Speaker 16: Two years before.

2213
01:48:24,947 --> 01:48:26,347
Speaker 18: Everyone's saying he's not prepared.

2214
01:48:26,347 --> 01:48:26,987
Speaker 38: We're not prepared.

2215
01:48:26,987 --> 01:48:27,627
Speaker 22: With no weeting.

2216
01:48:27,827 --> 01:48:29,027
Speaker 38: We made it to the fucking final.

2217
01:48:29,187 --> 01:48:30,987
Speaker 16: Sorry, we met it to the flip the final.

2218
01:48:31,027 --> 01:48:31,547
Speaker 9: You know what I mean?

2219
01:48:32,307 --> 01:48:35,387
Speaker 3: I do, Yes, I do, And I think you know,

2220
01:48:35,707 --> 01:48:38,547
Speaker 3: Ian Foster went through a terrifically difficult twenty twenty two.

2221
01:48:38,627 --> 01:48:41,827
Speaker 3: As we'll remember, hen you know, Ireland came here and

2222
01:48:41,867 --> 01:48:45,747
Speaker 3: beat us a couple of losses in the Rugby Championship.

2223
01:48:45,747 --> 01:48:47,707
Speaker 3: He was they were ready to take his job off him,

2224
01:48:48,387 --> 01:48:50,467
Speaker 3: came through that and y as you say, got us

2225
01:48:50,507 --> 01:48:53,987
Speaker 3: to within one point of World Cup victory with fourteen men.

2226
01:48:55,227 --> 01:48:57,507
Speaker 3: So yeah, look, I don't think we I don't think

2227
01:48:57,547 --> 01:49:00,267
Speaker 3: any of us, you know, need to panic on the

2228
01:49:00,347 --> 01:49:03,347
Speaker 3: second of November twenty twenty five about what might happen

2229
01:49:03,827 --> 01:49:06,307
Speaker 3: in late twenty twenty seven. I think we all would

2230
01:49:06,467 --> 01:49:10,267
Speaker 3: like to see progress, and I think the last twenty

2231
01:49:10,307 --> 01:49:12,467
Speaker 3: minutes gave me a glimmer of that this morning. It

2232
01:49:12,587 --> 01:49:14,787
Speaker 3: hasn't been a banner year for all black rugby. There

2233
01:49:14,827 --> 01:49:17,347
Speaker 3: have been good matches or patches of good matches. And

2234
01:49:17,387 --> 01:49:19,947
Speaker 3: I think about the game at Edon Park against South Africa,

2235
01:49:20,347 --> 01:49:22,747
Speaker 3: and the first half against France and Wellington, and a

2236
01:49:22,827 --> 01:49:25,907
Speaker 3: couple of other occasions, both games against Australia. There were

2237
01:49:26,027 --> 01:49:28,227
Speaker 3: very good parts of each of those the last twenty

2238
01:49:28,307 --> 01:49:33,147
Speaker 3: minutes today, if we can start to find consistent match

2239
01:49:33,307 --> 01:49:37,307
Speaker 3: minutes where we all go okay, okay, now I see now,

2240
01:49:37,387 --> 01:49:39,507
Speaker 3: I see where this team is going, then we will

2241
01:49:39,507 --> 01:49:42,267
Speaker 3: be a lot more encouraged. Paul, are you going to

2242
01:49:42,307 --> 01:49:42,987
Speaker 3: have the final? Say?

2243
01:49:43,027 --> 01:49:43,187
Speaker 6: Mate?

2244
01:49:43,227 --> 01:49:43,827
Speaker 3: What's on your mind?

2245
01:49:44,787 --> 01:49:45,267
Speaker 17: Can I nate?

2246
01:49:45,827 --> 01:49:47,747
Speaker 21: But a bit of a worry the old guy button's

2247
01:49:47,787 --> 01:49:48,467
Speaker 21: not quite working.

2248
01:49:49,587 --> 01:49:52,147
Speaker 3: I'm sure not too many people are offended by that pole.

2249
01:49:54,387 --> 01:49:56,267
Speaker 21: Look to be fair, I might be the only one.

2250
01:49:56,347 --> 01:49:57,507
Speaker 21: I think I might be a little bit in a

2251
01:49:57,547 --> 01:50:00,347
Speaker 21: line with scenari. I have zero issues with it being

2252
01:50:00,427 --> 01:50:04,987
Speaker 21: upgraded to read simply because the rulers it's now twenty minutes,

2253
01:50:05,067 --> 01:50:09,027
Speaker 21: not the whole game, and you know he's made the mistake.

2254
01:50:09,107 --> 01:50:10,467
Speaker 21: There is no medicating factors.

2255
01:50:11,147 --> 01:50:13,707
Speaker 16: You know, there is no excuses for what he did.

2256
01:50:13,907 --> 01:50:16,467
Speaker 21: He's made a mistake. He's only off for twenty minutes.

2257
01:50:16,587 --> 01:50:19,507
Speaker 21: They've got a replacement on after that, no issues with

2258
01:50:19,627 --> 01:50:24,067
Speaker 21: it at all. And again to Scenario's point, Jesse Crele

2259
01:50:24,187 --> 01:50:27,147
Speaker 21: never went for a HIA in the World Cup final

2260
01:50:28,627 --> 01:50:30,027
Speaker 21: when Sam came hit him.

2261
01:50:30,547 --> 01:50:34,427
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the point made earlier as well by Gary

2262
01:50:34,467 --> 01:50:36,587
Speaker 3: who called in as well. Yeah, the whole mount Well,

2263
01:50:36,827 --> 01:50:39,267
Speaker 3: they weren't smart mouthguards then, but yeah, so you don't

2264
01:50:39,307 --> 01:50:43,827
Speaker 3: necessarily always have to. It just strikes me as curious. Paul,

2265
01:50:43,867 --> 01:50:45,547
Speaker 3: I do have to move because James mcconey wants to

2266
01:50:45,547 --> 01:50:47,427
Speaker 3: talk to us from Chicago. But thank you for calling, mate,

2267
01:50:47,907 --> 01:50:49,947
Speaker 3: and thank you for all your calls and your correspondence.

2268
01:50:50,107 --> 01:50:53,627
Speaker 3: It's eighteen away from too. James mcconey along shortly from Chicago.

2269
01:50:54,427 --> 01:50:58,147
Speaker 1: The Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with Jason

2270
01:50:58,227 --> 01:51:02,107
Speaker 1: Hine and GJ. Garnnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder

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2272
01:51:05,507 --> 01:51:10,267
Speaker 3: On Weekend Sports seven forty five Saturday evening in Chicago.

2273
01:51:10,467 --> 01:51:12,787
Speaker 3: How's it looking, James MACONI, thanks for joining us.

2274
01:51:14,347 --> 01:51:15,947
Speaker 14: It's nippy in Chicago.

2275
01:51:16,107 --> 01:51:17,867
Speaker 39: I think the All Blacks are about to fly out

2276
01:51:18,067 --> 01:51:20,027
Speaker 39: straight away, so they're not even going to enjoy the

2277
01:51:20,187 --> 01:51:24,667
Speaker 39: nights here where they definitely deserve to enjoy a few

2278
01:51:24,947 --> 01:51:29,547
Speaker 39: celebratory beverages because it was It was actually a pretty

2279
01:51:29,547 --> 01:51:31,667
Speaker 39: good performance given that I think the ref was a

2280
01:51:31,707 --> 01:51:35,507
Speaker 39: little bit dodgy and the first half was very stop start,

2281
01:51:35,707 --> 01:51:38,347
Speaker 39: but hayy was the fourth quarter with the All Blacks dominated.

2282
01:51:38,387 --> 01:51:40,147
Speaker 14: It's what they've wandered for a long time.

2283
01:51:40,627 --> 01:51:43,227
Speaker 3: Yep, that's the point we've been We've been saying over

2284
01:51:43,267 --> 01:51:45,507
Speaker 3: and over back here, James. Good to know we're aligned

2285
01:51:45,547 --> 01:51:47,987
Speaker 3: on this. But you're right. The last twenty minutes was

2286
01:51:48,067 --> 01:51:50,387
Speaker 3: what we used to expect and love about the All Blacks,

2287
01:51:50,747 --> 01:51:54,867
Speaker 3: you know, a last quarter performance that sealed Test match victories.

2288
01:51:55,067 --> 01:51:56,787
Speaker 3: What's what Soldier Field like?

2289
01:51:56,907 --> 01:52:00,747
Speaker 39: By the way, it's kind of it's weird because it's

2290
01:52:00,787 --> 01:52:01,907
Speaker 39: not really covered stands.

2291
01:52:01,947 --> 01:52:03,987
Speaker 14: As you can see, they just sort of go up.

2292
01:52:04,067 --> 01:52:06,707
Speaker 39: It's just almost a sheer drop you would want to

2293
01:52:06,747 --> 01:52:09,347
Speaker 39: sort of like fall backwards. It's like a one of

2294
01:52:09,387 --> 01:52:12,107
Speaker 39: those a Mayan sacrifice, you know, and one of those

2295
01:52:12,187 --> 01:52:16,267
Speaker 39: pyramids from Apocalypto. Great movie by the well Mel Gibson,

2296
01:52:16,947 --> 01:52:20,827
Speaker 39: five stars, but I I think or he was a director,

2297
01:52:21,187 --> 01:52:25,507
Speaker 39: But really the atmosphere was it was very pro Irish

2298
01:52:25,907 --> 01:52:29,587
Speaker 39: and then when the All Blacks were struggling. You can

2299
01:52:29,627 --> 01:52:32,387
Speaker 39: actually sense the Ireland. The Irish team were just hanging

2300
01:52:32,387 --> 01:52:35,387
Speaker 39: out in there and the All Blacks really you would

2301
01:52:35,427 --> 01:52:38,067
Speaker 39: have noticed this. We're giving them too many chances. They

2302
01:52:38,067 --> 01:52:41,627
Speaker 39: were tries that went begging and if they lose this test,

2303
01:52:41,947 --> 01:52:45,467
Speaker 39: they'll hate the video analysis because they left a few

2304
01:52:45,547 --> 01:52:49,147
Speaker 39: out there. But it was more that the young ones

2305
01:52:49,187 --> 01:52:52,347
Speaker 39: who are starting to become too mature as players. I

2306
01:52:52,467 --> 01:52:56,827
Speaker 39: was really happy for Peter Archive for Canroy Guard and

2307
01:52:57,507 --> 01:53:01,907
Speaker 39: Wallace Atisi coming on. Just you know, Peter Larkieve it's

2308
01:53:01,907 --> 01:53:04,947
Speaker 39: a tough it's a tough gig that All Blacks numbering shirt.

2309
01:53:05,027 --> 01:53:08,667
Speaker 39: But yeah, he's he's definitely, he's definitely playing.

2310
01:53:08,707 --> 01:53:08,907
Speaker 14: Well.

2311
01:53:09,467 --> 01:53:11,947
Speaker 3: I know you're a big Simon Parker fan, but what

2312
01:53:12,107 --> 01:53:18,827
Speaker 3: about t T Savia lakeye six seven eight, Well, they're all.

2313
01:53:19,187 --> 01:53:21,107
Speaker 39: They're not massive, you know, they're all shorter than New

2314
01:53:21,147 --> 01:53:23,787
Speaker 39: Pony And I know that you're you know, you're you're

2315
01:53:23,907 --> 01:53:28,547
Speaker 39: like High Tower from Police Academy again, great movie, five stars.

2316
01:53:28,627 --> 01:53:31,747
Speaker 39: But the thing is I think that really, you know,

2317
01:53:31,907 --> 01:53:34,747
Speaker 39: Simon Parker is in there because he is a big

2318
01:53:34,827 --> 01:53:39,987
Speaker 39: body that that's a really solid lineout option. But games

2319
01:53:40,027 --> 01:53:42,427
Speaker 39: are about finishers now and that's what teams actually call

2320
01:53:42,507 --> 01:53:45,227
Speaker 39: me a bench, don't they. You know, the finishers, And

2321
01:53:45,387 --> 01:53:47,987
Speaker 39: I think you need some of those players to come

2322
01:53:48,067 --> 01:53:51,867
Speaker 39: on when the when the gaps appear. I actually think

2323
01:53:51,907 --> 01:53:55,147
Speaker 39: there are more gaps even in the first half now

2324
01:53:55,227 --> 01:53:58,507
Speaker 39: and and Razor will be We'll be thinking of ways

2325
01:53:58,587 --> 01:54:03,947
Speaker 39: to exploit them because you know, just even David Damien McKenzie,

2326
01:54:03,987 --> 01:54:07,267
Speaker 39: a player like him, is per for when the game

2327
01:54:07,347 --> 01:54:11,187
Speaker 39: breaks up. So as much as there's lots of DMAK

2328
01:54:11,307 --> 01:54:14,307
Speaker 39: fans out there, it actually works him being off the bench.

2329
01:54:14,627 --> 01:54:18,387
Speaker 39: So Tz yes, like he could be. He looks like

2330
01:54:18,467 --> 01:54:20,907
Speaker 39: he's getting back to his best first all back try.

2331
01:54:21,587 --> 01:54:24,627
Speaker 39: But I mean it worked for them. If they actually

2332
01:54:24,627 --> 01:54:26,987
Speaker 39: got stuff right in the first half, they should have

2333
01:54:27,067 --> 01:54:27,987
Speaker 39: been well in the lead.

2334
01:54:28,147 --> 01:54:31,467
Speaker 3: I thought, as Chicago's I mean it's a big city.

2335
01:54:31,507 --> 01:54:34,747
Speaker 3: What's got I think the city itself about two point

2336
01:54:34,827 --> 01:54:38,587
Speaker 3: seven million, the wider metropolitan area nine and a half million.

2337
01:54:39,947 --> 01:54:40,227
Speaker 22: Was there?

2338
01:54:40,347 --> 01:54:41,947
Speaker 3: Like advertising was there?

2339
01:54:42,147 --> 01:54:42,307
Speaker 14: Was it?

2340
01:54:42,587 --> 01:54:45,227
Speaker 3: Was it obvious that there was an All Blacks Island

2341
01:54:45,307 --> 01:54:47,387
Speaker 3: test match going on, you know in the lead up

2342
01:54:47,427 --> 01:54:47,827
Speaker 3: to the game.

2343
01:54:48,867 --> 01:54:49,387
Speaker 21: Not really.

2344
01:54:49,547 --> 01:54:52,227
Speaker 39: And I even had a chat to David kirk good

2345
01:54:52,227 --> 01:54:55,147
Speaker 39: old Kurky after the game, and I said, you know,

2346
01:54:56,267 --> 01:54:59,067
Speaker 39: I think it's about time that that New Zealand Rugby

2347
01:54:59,587 --> 01:55:03,587
Speaker 39: and even Sky reached out to ESPN and said, look,

2348
01:55:03,627 --> 01:55:06,067
Speaker 39: this is one of our big products and why not

2349
01:55:07,627 --> 01:55:08,867
Speaker 39: why not do something with us?

2350
01:55:08,947 --> 01:55:09,787
Speaker 14: Why not collab?

2351
01:55:09,827 --> 01:55:11,787
Speaker 39: Because I think it was a little bit of a

2352
01:55:12,147 --> 01:55:14,347
Speaker 39: too much of a wildcat kept secret.

2353
01:55:15,547 --> 01:55:16,867
Speaker 14: It was all expats and.

2354
01:55:17,227 --> 01:55:21,867
Speaker 39: Rugby fans from around America coming, you know, gathering really

2355
01:55:22,027 --> 01:55:25,987
Speaker 39: like a pilgrimage, but from the city you couldn't really tell,

2356
01:55:26,707 --> 01:55:30,027
Speaker 39: not until today, catching the the L train as the

2357
01:55:30,267 --> 01:55:32,547
Speaker 39: l as they call it, and going to the game,

2358
01:55:32,667 --> 01:55:36,347
Speaker 39: could you actually see, Okay, this is there's something big happening.

2359
01:55:36,427 --> 01:55:38,627
Speaker 39: But yeah, that's something that's to work on. I think

2360
01:55:39,107 --> 01:55:40,987
Speaker 39: it's the if you really want to push the brand,

2361
01:55:41,467 --> 01:55:43,867
Speaker 39: you should be trying to get it on all the

2362
01:55:43,947 --> 01:55:47,267
Speaker 39: channels over here. But ESPN seems like a logical fit

2363
01:55:47,387 --> 01:55:51,267
Speaker 39: because you know, it's it's on every single hotel room

2364
01:55:52,067 --> 01:55:54,627
Speaker 39: and and you get the message out.

2365
01:55:55,587 --> 01:55:57,947
Speaker 3: Have you had the chance to go to to anything else?

2366
01:55:57,987 --> 01:55:59,947
Speaker 3: Have you been to watch the Chicago Bulls game.

2367
01:56:01,227 --> 01:56:02,267
Speaker 2: I've been to two Piney.

2368
01:56:02,707 --> 01:56:05,027
Speaker 14: I went one as a fan and one is working media.

2369
01:56:05,107 --> 01:56:08,147
Speaker 14: So I was there last night, throwing a few questions.

2370
01:56:07,827 --> 01:56:11,787
Speaker 39: At Josh Guiney and the coach Billy Donovan. I was

2371
01:56:11,827 --> 01:56:14,347
Speaker 39: pretty impressed with Josh Giddy, giving that he's just this

2372
01:56:14,507 --> 01:56:18,907
Speaker 39: Aussie kid, you know, six 't seven, but he just moves.

2373
01:56:18,947 --> 01:56:21,067
Speaker 39: He's so slick with his movement and he's got a

2374
01:56:21,107 --> 01:56:24,027
Speaker 39: bit of a clunky shot on him, but even that's improving.

2375
01:56:24,187 --> 01:56:26,827
Speaker 39: So he's a budding superstar.

2376
01:56:26,947 --> 01:56:29,267
Speaker 14: And even I asked Billy Donovan, oh.

2377
01:56:29,227 --> 01:56:30,947
Speaker 39: You know, what's the ceiling and he goes, Oh, he

2378
01:56:30,987 --> 01:56:33,987
Speaker 39: can be an All Star for sure, which would make

2379
01:56:34,067 --> 01:56:36,907
Speaker 39: him the greatest ever Ossie basketballer. I think if he goes,

2380
01:56:37,067 --> 01:56:40,667
Speaker 39: if he's heading in that direction, and you know, it's

2381
01:56:40,827 --> 01:56:43,987
Speaker 39: strange that they're five and oh they're on a high,

2382
01:56:44,067 --> 01:56:46,307
Speaker 39: the Bulls. But the one thing that I think Kiwis

2383
01:56:46,307 --> 01:56:48,507
Speaker 39: will take back take away from that is just how

2384
01:56:48,627 --> 01:56:51,907
Speaker 39: engaging an entire night at the basketball is never a

2385
01:56:52,027 --> 01:56:55,107
Speaker 39: dull moment, always thinking about the fans. And if you

2386
01:56:55,187 --> 01:56:59,307
Speaker 39: are ever watching a basketball game, if you can, like

2387
01:56:59,467 --> 01:57:02,027
Speaker 39: I go on NBA Pass and you can get the

2388
01:57:02,227 --> 01:57:05,387
Speaker 39: in stadium experience, so you see kiss cam and look

2389
01:57:05,427 --> 01:57:08,067
Speaker 39: Alike cam and all the whole lot, and it's actually

2390
01:57:08,267 --> 01:57:09,227
Speaker 39: it's kind of cool.

2391
01:57:09,267 --> 01:57:09,467
Speaker 16: Really.

2392
01:57:09,507 --> 01:57:11,467
Speaker 39: It's a great way to watch sport as well on TV,

2393
01:57:11,627 --> 01:57:14,267
Speaker 39: but in stadium, it's hard to beat.

2394
01:57:14,747 --> 01:57:17,747
Speaker 3: Absolutely all. Right, to finish our Baseball World Series Game seven,

2395
01:57:17,827 --> 01:57:20,227
Speaker 3: deciding Game seven, top of the third at the moment,

2396
01:57:20,627 --> 01:57:23,627
Speaker 3: still no runs between the Dodgers and the Blue Jays.

2397
01:57:23,747 --> 01:57:26,747
Speaker 3: Are great that this is going the distance. Any predictions

2398
01:57:26,787 --> 01:57:30,067
Speaker 3: who's lifting who's lifting the World Series in a couple

2399
01:57:30,107 --> 01:57:32,107
Speaker 3: of hours or maybe a bit longer if the other

2400
01:57:32,187 --> 01:57:33,147
Speaker 3: day's anything to go by.

2401
01:57:35,507 --> 01:57:38,707
Speaker 39: Look, the bases were loaded for Toronto and then they

2402
01:57:38,827 --> 01:57:42,387
Speaker 39: didn't capitalize, So that feels to me that you cannot

2403
01:57:42,547 --> 01:57:46,387
Speaker 39: give an opportunity show he's about to warm up to

2404
01:57:46,587 --> 01:57:49,627
Speaker 39: come into bat. He's pitching as well. I mean, it's

2405
01:57:49,707 --> 01:57:53,467
Speaker 39: so box office, isn't it. This whole series is going

2406
01:57:53,547 --> 01:57:55,507
Speaker 39: to bring people to baseball because you're watching really the

2407
01:57:55,547 --> 01:57:58,627
Speaker 39: greatest of all time. It's a pretty great time in sport.

2408
01:57:58,707 --> 01:58:01,267
Speaker 39: I mean, you and I as football fans, we feel

2409
01:58:01,347 --> 01:58:04,907
Speaker 39: lucky to have watched you know, Lionel Messi and Ronaldo

2410
01:58:05,067 --> 01:58:08,427
Speaker 39: sort of jeweling right the past decade or so. Well,

2411
01:58:08,507 --> 01:58:12,107
Speaker 39: now baseball has got that, It's got its moment. It's

2412
01:58:12,147 --> 01:58:15,347
Speaker 39: got an absolute superstar, and now people will probably find

2413
01:58:15,347 --> 01:58:17,507
Speaker 39: out about all the other stars and the sport because

2414
01:58:17,547 --> 01:58:17,827
Speaker 39: of him.

2415
01:58:18,387 --> 01:58:22,747
Speaker 3: Absolutely right, Hey, thanks for joining us. I could hear

2416
01:58:22,787 --> 01:58:25,627
Speaker 3: the sirens in the background. I presume they weren't. They

2417
01:58:25,707 --> 01:58:28,667
Speaker 3: weren't for you, weren't for you? You haven't been sort

2418
01:58:28,667 --> 01:58:28,787
Speaker 3: of that.

2419
01:58:28,987 --> 01:58:29,667
Speaker 19: Well, we don't know.

2420
01:58:29,787 --> 01:58:30,227
Speaker 22: Yet, party.

2421
01:58:30,307 --> 01:58:32,187
Speaker 39: I'm just I'm not quite sure what I've done wrong,

2422
01:58:32,267 --> 01:58:35,307
Speaker 39: but I did jaywalk earlier today. I'm not proud of myself,

2423
01:58:35,427 --> 01:58:37,907
Speaker 39: but I had places to be.

2424
01:58:39,387 --> 01:58:43,387
Speaker 3: Travel safe, mate. James McCarney joining us live from Chicagovernor's

2425
01:58:43,427 --> 01:58:46,387
Speaker 3: regular slot here on Weekend Sports seven Away from two

2426
01:58:46,467 --> 01:58:47,147
Speaker 3: News Talks NB.

2427
01:58:48,027 --> 01:58:50,267
Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

2428
01:58:50,467 --> 01:58:55,627
Speaker 1: on Weekend Sport with Jason Paine, News Talks.

2429
01:58:55,427 --> 01:58:58,387
Speaker 3: MB four away from two News two and then we'll

2430
01:58:58,707 --> 01:59:00,947
Speaker 3: change direction. I think after two o'clock we've had a

2431
01:59:00,987 --> 01:59:03,027
Speaker 3: decent crack at the rugby, haven't we. There'll be more

2432
01:59:03,627 --> 01:59:06,187
Speaker 3: postmatch reaction across the afternoon as part of our Sports

2433
01:59:06,427 --> 01:59:10,427
Speaker 3: Use bulletins. But there's an international rugby league doubleheader today

2434
01:59:10,467 --> 01:59:14,147
Speaker 3: at Eden Park, Pacific Championship Kiwei Ferns against Australia and

2435
01:59:14,227 --> 01:59:16,787
Speaker 3: the women's match at half past three, then Kiwe's v

2436
01:59:16,947 --> 01:59:20,027
Speaker 3: Tonga from five past six, gonna catch up with Kiwi's

2437
01:59:20,027 --> 01:59:23,307
Speaker 3: and Penrith second rower Isaiah Pappa Lee here is with

2438
01:59:23,467 --> 01:59:27,187
Speaker 3: us after two o'clock and our top AxMan who last

2439
01:59:27,307 --> 01:59:30,907
Speaker 3: weekend became a world champion in the individual event for

2440
01:59:30,987 --> 01:59:34,147
Speaker 3: the first time. Jack Jordan is also on the show

2441
01:59:34,227 --> 01:59:35,707
Speaker 3: between two and three.

2442
01:59:37,307 --> 01:59:40,147
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest fours issues

2443
01:59:40,307 --> 01:59:44,147
Speaker 1: on and afterfield. It's all on Wee Keens Forward with

2444
01:59:44,387 --> 01:59:48,707
Speaker 1: Jason Paine on your home of Sport Used.

2445
01:59:48,587 --> 01:59:53,267
Speaker 3: Talks six minutes past two. Welcome into the show, Welcome

2446
01:59:53,347 --> 01:59:55,787
Speaker 3: back to the show. This is Weekend Sport on News

2447
01:59:55,827 --> 01:59:59,187
Speaker 3: Talk Set B. I'm Jason Pine. Andy McDonald's the show producer.

2448
01:59:59,747 --> 02:00:02,227
Speaker 3: We've been given another hour, so we're going to pick

2449
02:00:02,267 --> 02:00:04,787
Speaker 3: that up and run with it. We'll move away from

2450
02:00:04,787 --> 02:00:06,787
Speaker 3: the rugby. I think we might revisit it at the

2451
02:00:06,867 --> 02:00:08,707
Speaker 3: back end of the hour, but there's other bits and

2452
02:00:08,747 --> 02:00:10,707
Speaker 3: pieces we do want to cover off. We'll keep eyes

2453
02:00:10,787 --> 02:00:13,667
Speaker 3: on the baseball. As you heard from Elarga in our

2454
02:00:13,707 --> 02:00:17,067
Speaker 3: Sports news, Toronto out to a three neerl lead in

2455
02:00:17,147 --> 02:00:23,547
Speaker 3: the bottom of the third, so they've made the first

2456
02:00:23,667 --> 02:00:27,387
Speaker 3: big move of this game. Teams to score first have

2457
02:00:27,507 --> 02:00:31,467
Speaker 3: won twenty five of forty Game seven's I can tell you,

2458
02:00:32,547 --> 02:00:35,307
Speaker 3: I don't know if that stat means anything. Twenty five

2459
02:00:35,347 --> 02:00:39,387
Speaker 3: out of forty. It's not overriding, yes, it's a majority. Anyway,

2460
02:00:39,467 --> 02:00:42,667
Speaker 3: we'll keep eyes on the game. La Dodgers Toronto Blue

2461
02:00:42,747 --> 02:00:46,427
Speaker 3: Jays Game seven of Baseball's World Series. The winner of

2462
02:00:46,547 --> 02:00:49,347
Speaker 3: this game obviously wins it. I think Toronto have won

2463
02:00:49,387 --> 02:00:52,187
Speaker 3: it for over three decades. This is in Toronto as well,

2464
02:00:52,347 --> 02:00:58,787
Speaker 3: so the city may about to celebrate a baseball victory.

2465
02:00:58,867 --> 02:01:00,547
Speaker 3: Still a long way to go, though, We'll keep eyes

2466
02:01:00,587 --> 02:01:01,907
Speaker 3: on that for you over the next hour or so.

2467
02:01:03,187 --> 02:01:05,107
Speaker 3: I want to talk some rugby league as well, because

2468
02:01:05,147 --> 02:01:08,787
Speaker 3: there's a big double head Added park today involving both

2469
02:01:08,827 --> 02:01:12,587
Speaker 3: of our Kiwi sides. The Kiwi Ferns up against Australia

2470
02:01:13,147 --> 02:01:15,347
Speaker 3: women's match underway at three thirty five, and then the

2471
02:01:15,427 --> 02:01:17,347
Speaker 3: key was against Tongue of five past six. I'll be

2472
02:01:17,427 --> 02:01:21,627
Speaker 3: really interested to see the crowd size for this Eden Park.

2473
02:01:21,667 --> 02:01:23,827
Speaker 3: I mean big ground as we know, but I reckon

2474
02:01:23,827 --> 02:01:26,547
Speaker 3: I'll get a decent turnout. Isaiah Pappalei out of the

2475
02:01:26,867 --> 02:01:29,787
Speaker 3: Kiwis camp to chat to us. Jack Jordan is on

2476
02:01:29,907 --> 02:01:34,987
Speaker 3: the show. Massive Achievement from Jack Jordan, our top axeman.

2477
02:01:35,187 --> 02:01:42,467
Speaker 3: Last weekend in the still Timber Sports World Championship in Milan, Italy,

2478
02:01:42,747 --> 02:01:44,547
Speaker 3: he became just the third key we to win the title.

2479
02:01:44,867 --> 02:01:46,627
Speaker 3: He'll chat to us about that and we'll get inside

2480
02:01:46,627 --> 02:01:49,707
Speaker 3: the Wellington Phoenix women's camp as well. The A League

2481
02:01:49,707 --> 02:01:53,707
Speaker 3: Women's competition is underway this we can but the Phoenix

2482
02:01:53,787 --> 02:01:56,787
Speaker 3: have a buye. It's an uneven number of teams in

2483
02:01:56,867 --> 02:02:01,987
Speaker 3: the Ninja A League. The women's competition they're underway next Saturday,

2484
02:02:02,107 --> 02:02:04,307
Speaker 3: part of a double head at sky Stadium, but a

2485
02:02:04,387 --> 02:02:07,187
Speaker 3: lot of excitement around about the Wellington Phoenix women's side

2486
02:02:07,227 --> 02:02:09,547
Speaker 3: and some of their new recruits. We'll hear from one

2487
02:02:09,587 --> 02:02:12,547
Speaker 3: of them before three o'clock as well. Lines of communication

2488
02:02:12,747 --> 02:02:15,227
Speaker 3: remain open for you eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2489
02:02:15,627 --> 02:02:17,507
Speaker 3: as our phone number nine two ninety two is our

2490
02:02:17,547 --> 02:02:19,867
Speaker 3: text number. You can send an email to me Jason

2491
02:02:19,947 --> 02:02:23,467
Speaker 3: at Newstalk SDB dot co dot nz. But as we

2492
02:02:23,547 --> 02:02:26,187
Speaker 3: always do it around about this time on weekend Sport,

2493
02:02:26,267 --> 02:02:28,747
Speaker 3: we want to bring you up to date, get you

2494
02:02:28,827 --> 02:02:31,067
Speaker 3: across some of the stuff you Modermist There's been a

2495
02:02:31,107 --> 02:02:34,907
Speaker 3: lot of sport happening. It's always quite challenging to keep

2496
02:02:34,987 --> 02:02:36,947
Speaker 3: up with it. Also, we wrap it into a very

2497
02:02:37,027 --> 02:02:40,307
Speaker 3: handy feature for you called in case you mist at

2498
02:02:40,467 --> 02:02:44,787
Speaker 3: Rugby league's ashes have been wrapped up by Australia.

2499
02:02:44,547 --> 02:02:50,707
Speaker 27: One frustrating nothing light on them, Cleary Williams providing the

2500
02:02:50,827 --> 02:02:54,107
Speaker 27: escort oh taxes Chinese huts.

2501
02:02:56,427 --> 02:03:00,387
Speaker 40: I don't want to be torturn again, the kick claim.

2502
02:03:00,987 --> 02:03:05,907
Speaker 6: What'sn't deal with? Hudson races EXI.

2503
02:03:05,667 --> 02:03:09,307
Speaker 3: Score the fourteen to four when giving the Kangaroos an

2504
02:03:09,427 --> 02:03:12,227
Speaker 3: unassailable two nil lead in the series. But in rugby

2505
02:03:12,387 --> 02:03:14,827
Speaker 3: union it was England beating Australia.

2506
02:03:14,907 --> 02:03:17,867
Speaker 30: England's looking at finishing with some sort of flourish and

2507
02:03:17,987 --> 02:03:20,507
Speaker 30: they're driving the life out of the Australia tont now

2508
02:03:21,387 --> 02:03:24,187
Speaker 30: milth there's still no most howards and.

2509
02:03:24,267 --> 02:03:26,427
Speaker 40: There's less less resistance.

2510
02:03:27,107 --> 02:03:31,067
Speaker 27: England's bearing down on the trailine Almost everybody.

2511
02:03:30,707 --> 02:03:35,187
Speaker 3: Part of this more on the try score twenty five seven,

2512
02:03:35,347 --> 02:03:38,787
Speaker 3: the final score at Twickenham. Meantime, Scotland, who the All

2513
02:03:38,787 --> 02:03:43,347
Speaker 3: Blacks play next Sunday, ran riot over the United States.

2514
02:03:43,587 --> 02:03:44,707
Speaker 6: Last player for much.

2515
02:03:45,627 --> 02:03:49,667
Speaker 25: Thompson pulling it Smeath, he's up to score tonight, but

2516
02:03:49,787 --> 02:03:50,107
Speaker 25: that's a.

2517
02:03:50,147 --> 02:03:51,187
Speaker 2: Dut to change.

2518
02:03:55,867 --> 02:04:01,547
Speaker 41: Scotland's ire impressible eighty five nil, eighty five nil if

2519
02:04:01,587 --> 02:04:05,627
Speaker 41: they look forward to welcoming the All Blacks to murray

2520
02:04:05,707 --> 02:04:09,347
Speaker 41: Field next weekend. The All Blacks fifteen, meantime, delivered a

2521
02:04:09,387 --> 02:04:12,387
Speaker 41: strong come from behind when over the Barbarians.

2522
02:04:12,867 --> 02:04:16,347
Speaker 35: The South African lock back rower who is, oh, here

2523
02:04:16,427 --> 02:04:19,747
Speaker 35: we go That touchdown sits up for Billy.

2524
02:04:21,587 --> 02:04:22,947
Speaker 4: And is that the try that.

2525
02:04:23,067 --> 02:04:27,267
Speaker 6: Secures it for All Blacks fifty David.

2526
02:04:27,067 --> 02:04:30,827
Speaker 3: Harbilly the All Blacks fifteen with nineteen niel down but

2527
02:04:30,987 --> 02:04:33,867
Speaker 3: ran away winners by thirty three points to nineteen. To

2528
02:04:33,947 --> 02:04:37,827
Speaker 3: football and the Premier League, a chaotic game between Nottingham

2529
02:04:37,827 --> 02:04:40,787
Speaker 3: Forest and Manchester United. Forest wire one nil down but

2530
02:04:40,907 --> 02:04:42,987
Speaker 3: then scored two quick goals to take the lead.

2531
02:04:43,587 --> 02:04:46,467
Speaker 27: He goes Jesu says there he's Lace fix it.

2532
02:04:48,267 --> 02:04:50,387
Speaker 22: But not an ultrom notxingon Forest.

2533
02:04:52,507 --> 02:04:55,267
Speaker 27: It's Aboda who makes it two.

2534
02:04:55,107 --> 02:04:57,427
Speaker 2: To one, two goals.

2535
02:04:57,587 --> 02:05:01,867
Speaker 3: It is many minutes what to turn around it is,

2536
02:05:02,507 --> 02:05:05,427
Speaker 3: but Manchester United came back late to split the points.

2537
02:05:05,627 --> 02:05:10,147
Speaker 27: Random with the corner Financhester United and they get the

2538
02:05:10,227 --> 02:05:13,907
Speaker 27: first contact so swing at that from Georgy and it's

2539
02:05:13,987 --> 02:05:19,627
Speaker 27: in what's a brilliant strike from the bads. It's the

2540
02:05:19,827 --> 02:05:21,627
Speaker 27: level of for Manchester United.

2541
02:05:22,147 --> 02:05:25,627
Speaker 3: It finished two to Arsenal, beat Burnley two nil away

2542
02:05:25,987 --> 02:05:29,387
Speaker 3: and have opened up a seven point lead at the top.

2543
02:05:29,787 --> 02:05:32,787
Speaker 3: After ten games and the season closer to home. Auckland

2544
02:05:32,947 --> 02:05:35,307
Speaker 3: FC are back on top of the A League table.

2545
02:05:36,187 --> 02:05:43,747
Speaker 3: My Rogerson outside, my look, it's.

2546
02:05:43,667 --> 02:05:44,507
Speaker 6: The post.

2547
02:05:46,747 --> 02:05:50,107
Speaker 27: Glueverstrata, blue everstrata.

2548
02:05:50,587 --> 02:05:52,067
Speaker 23: To the the light of the court.

2549
02:05:52,747 --> 02:05:55,267
Speaker 3: Here's Auckland f C winning two one of Adelaide United.

2550
02:05:55,307 --> 02:05:57,467
Speaker 3: If the Phoenix beat the Mariners tonight, though, they will

2551
02:05:57,547 --> 02:06:00,547
Speaker 3: go to the top of the table. And as mentioned earlier,

2552
02:06:01,227 --> 02:06:05,187
Speaker 3: Baseball's World Series into a game seven after a thriller

2553
02:06:05,907 --> 02:06:08,347
Speaker 3: for the Dodgers in Game six yesterday, the.

2554
02:06:08,387 --> 02:06:12,987
Speaker 40: Blue Jays one swing from the World Championship. Anandaz. That's

2555
02:06:13,067 --> 02:06:18,907
Speaker 40: a rock field, Hernandez next to Jacks the second seven

2556
02:06:19,427 --> 02:06:21,427
Speaker 40: to mo day, it's a.

2557
02:06:21,547 --> 02:06:27,307
Speaker 5: Game and in double play kick Hernandez, Timguel Rovas.

2558
02:06:28,507 --> 02:06:31,107
Speaker 1: Let's scoop from the track field and the court on

2559
02:06:31,307 --> 02:06:34,987
Speaker 1: your home of sport. Wept with Jason Vine.

2560
02:06:34,907 --> 02:06:38,027
Speaker 3: You talks and b just updating you on game seven.

2561
02:06:38,067 --> 02:06:40,067
Speaker 3: We're into the top of the fourth now and the

2562
02:06:40,147 --> 02:06:43,267
Speaker 3: Toronto Blue Jays lead the La Dodgers three runs to

2563
02:06:43,347 --> 02:06:46,347
Speaker 3: nil three runs to nil at the top of the fourth.

2564
02:06:46,867 --> 02:06:50,507
Speaker 3: As mentioned, International Rugby League comes to Eden Park today

2565
02:06:50,547 --> 02:06:54,587
Speaker 3: in the form of a Pacific Championship doubleheader. The Kiwi

2566
02:06:54,667 --> 02:06:57,347
Speaker 3: Ferns up against Australia and the women's match from three

2567
02:06:57,387 --> 02:07:00,187
Speaker 3: point thirty five this afternoon, and then it's the Kiwis

2568
02:07:00,307 --> 02:07:03,587
Speaker 3: to play Tonga in the men's match from five past six.

2569
02:07:03,747 --> 02:07:07,347
Speaker 3: Let's bring in Kiwi's and Penrith second rower Isaiah Pappalii.

2570
02:07:07,987 --> 02:07:09,947
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, mate. Can we start with the

2571
02:07:10,027 --> 02:07:13,747
Speaker 3: review of the game against some More seems an age ago,

2572
02:07:13,747 --> 02:07:15,307
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. What were the main things

2573
02:07:15,347 --> 02:07:17,507
Speaker 3: that came out of the review of that match as

2574
02:07:17,547 --> 02:07:20,067
Speaker 3: you start preparing or you started preparing for the game

2575
02:07:20,107 --> 02:07:20,707
Speaker 3: against Tonga?

2576
02:07:21,227 --> 02:07:25,547
Speaker 38: Hey jas Yeah that whenever some More was it's a

2577
02:07:25,587 --> 02:07:28,467
Speaker 38: good way to get the cob webs out and I

2578
02:07:28,547 --> 02:07:32,067
Speaker 38: guess get ourselves some momentum. But I think the on

2579
02:07:32,587 --> 02:07:35,827
Speaker 38: reviewer just talking about how we defended so well after

2580
02:07:35,907 --> 02:07:38,187
Speaker 38: putting ourselves under a bit of pressure in that second half.

2581
02:07:38,307 --> 02:07:41,387
Speaker 38: So I will be making sure, we can kind of

2582
02:07:41,387 --> 02:07:41,867
Speaker 38: build off that.

2583
02:07:42,227 --> 02:07:43,867
Speaker 3: You talk about a few cob webs, and I guess

2584
02:07:43,907 --> 02:07:46,467
Speaker 3: the team doesn't get together a heck of a lot.

2585
02:07:46,547 --> 02:07:48,147
Speaker 3: So when you do get together, does it take a

2586
02:07:48,187 --> 02:07:50,867
Speaker 3: bit of time to get those combinations back to be

2587
02:07:51,107 --> 02:07:52,467
Speaker 3: fully functioning again?

2588
02:07:53,627 --> 02:07:56,467
Speaker 38: Yeah, yeah it does. We kind of talk about it

2589
02:07:57,827 --> 02:08:01,107
Speaker 38: when we assemble and kind of just try knuckle out

2590
02:08:01,707 --> 02:08:03,667
Speaker 38: the game plan and how we want to play, and

2591
02:08:03,747 --> 02:08:06,267
Speaker 38: then I guess you get those reps throughout the week

2592
02:08:06,387 --> 02:08:10,227
Speaker 38: and then yeah, you kind of build it pretty quickly.

2593
02:08:10,667 --> 02:08:13,507
Speaker 38: Hanging out pretty much twenty four to seven, so you

2594
02:08:13,667 --> 02:08:16,227
Speaker 38: kind of get that connection pretty quick, and I think

2595
02:08:16,267 --> 02:08:18,747
Speaker 38: it pays off when game they come.

2596
02:08:19,147 --> 02:08:20,747
Speaker 3: There's been a bit of talk about the penalty given

2597
02:08:20,787 --> 02:08:23,067
Speaker 3: against you in that game for a supposed late char

2598
02:08:23,267 --> 02:08:26,627
Speaker 3: John Jerome Lewi. How did you see that butter play?

2599
02:08:27,547 --> 02:08:32,867
Speaker 38: Yeah, I guess it's pretty consistent with how the rest

2600
02:08:32,947 --> 02:08:37,307
Speaker 38: have been. I guess calling those enery so I couldn't

2601
02:08:37,307 --> 02:08:41,947
Speaker 38: really argue too much because he I kind of definitely

2602
02:08:41,987 --> 02:08:44,187
Speaker 38: pushed him. I think I just got to wrap my

2603
02:08:44,307 --> 02:08:46,227
Speaker 38: arms around the next time and take him to the

2604
02:08:46,267 --> 02:08:47,827
Speaker 38: ground rather than just shoving him.

2605
02:08:48,187 --> 02:08:52,227
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess the main gist of the opposition to

2606
02:08:52,307 --> 02:08:54,067
Speaker 3: the penalty was the fact that it's a slow play

2607
02:08:54,107 --> 02:08:55,987
Speaker 3: the ball. You've got up quickly to challenge him. And

2608
02:08:56,387 --> 02:08:58,147
Speaker 3: I think some people think arbecks go to but too

2609
02:08:58,267 --> 02:09:00,387
Speaker 3: much protection in situations like that.

2610
02:09:00,547 --> 02:09:00,667
Speaker 2: Is that?

2611
02:09:00,747 --> 02:09:02,427
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't expect you to say that, but

2612
02:09:02,547 --> 02:09:04,307
Speaker 3: I mean it's It's a fine line, isn't it.

2613
02:09:05,067 --> 02:09:09,547
Speaker 38: Yeah, I think I guess there's a consistency there, which

2614
02:09:09,587 --> 02:09:11,747
Speaker 38: is the main thing. So if I saw my host

2615
02:09:11,787 --> 02:09:14,907
Speaker 38: getting pushed like that, I'm sure on a penalty for us.

2616
02:09:14,987 --> 02:09:17,147
Speaker 38: So I couldn't really hear it, Like I said, argued

2617
02:09:17,187 --> 02:09:17,867
Speaker 38: too much about it.

2618
02:09:18,467 --> 02:09:21,267
Speaker 3: Fair enough, So then some all went and beat Tonga

2619
02:09:21,587 --> 02:09:24,107
Speaker 3: quite comfortably too. Was there a surprise to see some

2620
02:09:24,227 --> 02:09:26,107
Speaker 3: more you know, bigger a tongue inside that I guess

2621
02:09:26,147 --> 02:09:27,947
Speaker 3: we all thought was was going to be your main

2622
02:09:28,027 --> 02:09:29,267
Speaker 3: competition again this year.

2623
02:09:32,107 --> 02:09:35,027
Speaker 38: I can't tell you it was a surprise. The way

2624
02:09:35,067 --> 02:09:39,187
Speaker 38: they played against us, we definitely had to play a

2625
02:09:39,227 --> 02:09:41,747
Speaker 38: four eighty minutes and the result was in the balance

2626
02:09:41,827 --> 02:09:45,067
Speaker 38: for I guess the whole game. So when I seen

2627
02:09:45,147 --> 02:09:49,947
Speaker 38: them go up against Tonge, they played, yeah, some really

2628
02:09:49,987 --> 02:09:52,667
Speaker 38: good footing. Obviously they had a set that was their

2629
02:09:52,707 --> 02:09:55,547
Speaker 38: second game, whereas Tom had their first. So I think

2630
02:09:56,227 --> 02:09:59,107
Speaker 38: there's a bit of an advantage there with them having

2631
02:09:59,187 --> 02:10:01,907
Speaker 38: that second game, that first game under their belt. So

2632
02:10:02,307 --> 02:10:06,187
Speaker 38: I'm sure Tom will I guess take that those lessons

2633
02:10:06,187 --> 02:10:08,427
Speaker 38: from that game and every really to go to Sunday.

2634
02:10:08,667 --> 02:10:11,827
Speaker 3: Yeah, So on Tonga, what sort of threat do you

2635
02:10:11,947 --> 02:10:14,467
Speaker 3: expect them to pose to you at Eton Park?

2636
02:10:17,627 --> 02:10:20,867
Speaker 38: Pretty much X fact all over the field. Really, They've

2637
02:10:20,907 --> 02:10:24,507
Speaker 38: got a talented squad, They're coming off the back of

2638
02:10:24,547 --> 02:10:28,707
Speaker 38: a loss. I'm sure they want to redeem themselves. And

2639
02:10:28,787 --> 02:10:32,627
Speaker 38: also he's going to probably be a read so they're

2640
02:10:32,667 --> 02:10:34,987
Speaker 38: going to have eighteen men out there with the crowd

2641
02:10:35,067 --> 02:10:39,507
Speaker 38: and I'm looking forward to that challenge and I'm sure, yeah,

2642
02:10:39,587 --> 02:10:40,387
Speaker 38: it'll be a good game.

2643
02:10:40,747 --> 02:10:42,267
Speaker 3: You've played a lot of rugby league now, I mean

2644
02:10:42,267 --> 02:10:44,547
Speaker 3: you're still very young, but you've played a lot of

2645
02:10:44,667 --> 02:10:48,547
Speaker 3: NRL rugby league and international rugby league. How does wearing

2646
02:10:48,627 --> 02:10:52,187
Speaker 3: the Kiwi jersey compare to playing club foot the in

2647
02:10:52,227 --> 02:10:52,747
Speaker 3: the NRL.

2648
02:10:54,587 --> 02:10:57,827
Speaker 38: Yeah, it's a bit more special. I guess I'm kind

2649
02:10:57,907 --> 02:11:00,787
Speaker 38: of being a Kiwi kid myself growing up here in Auckland,

2650
02:11:01,707 --> 02:11:03,907
Speaker 38: you always kind of dreamt of putting on that black

2651
02:11:03,987 --> 02:11:10,067
Speaker 38: Jersey and always remember watching the Kiwis before me do

2652
02:11:10,307 --> 02:11:14,787
Speaker 38: Hawker singer anthems, playing those big games, And for me

2653
02:11:14,907 --> 02:11:17,627
Speaker 38: to be in that position right now, I'm pretty grateful

2654
02:11:17,627 --> 02:11:20,187
Speaker 38: and blessed, and I'm just happy that I get to

2655
02:11:20,227 --> 02:11:22,947
Speaker 38: do it in front of my family and friends and

2656
02:11:23,387 --> 02:11:26,587
Speaker 38: live out my childhood dreams are It's pretty special for

2657
02:11:26,707 --> 02:11:30,387
Speaker 38: myself and even also for my family who have supported

2658
02:11:30,427 --> 02:11:31,787
Speaker 38: me since since day one.

2659
02:11:32,267 --> 02:11:34,467
Speaker 3: How do you go about integrating some of the newer

2660
02:11:34,507 --> 02:11:35,987
Speaker 3: guys into the Kiwi's environment.

2661
02:11:38,787 --> 02:11:43,027
Speaker 38: I think it's pretty easier. Everyone's a Kiwi, I guess,

2662
02:11:43,107 --> 02:11:48,067
Speaker 38: and we connect pretty easily. But yeah, we just kind

2663
02:11:48,107 --> 02:11:49,667
Speaker 38: of make them feel welcome as soon as they come

2664
02:11:49,707 --> 02:11:52,507
Speaker 38: into camp and just go play some coffee. I'll pay

2665
02:11:52,587 --> 02:11:55,067
Speaker 38: some coffee, play some cards, and kind of just do

2666
02:11:55,187 --> 02:11:58,107
Speaker 38: what you'll do at Cobland. But being in camp for

2667
02:11:59,027 --> 02:12:02,667
Speaker 38: more then a couple of days, you kind of just, yeah,

2668
02:12:04,267 --> 02:12:07,547
Speaker 38: make them feel welcome pretty quickly, and then you kind

2669
02:12:07,547 --> 02:12:10,667
Speaker 38: of find your group pretty quick. As are you at.

2670
02:12:10,587 --> 02:12:12,827
Speaker 3: The point of your career now, Isaiah where you feel

2671
02:12:12,867 --> 02:12:15,387
Speaker 3: like you've got a leadership role to play in this team?

2672
02:12:16,907 --> 02:12:19,507
Speaker 38: Yeah, you could say that. I think it's been a

2673
02:12:19,547 --> 02:12:23,107
Speaker 38: few years now and I just want to kind of

2674
02:12:23,827 --> 02:12:27,587
Speaker 38: lead with action and and just make sure that those

2675
02:12:27,627 --> 02:12:32,947
Speaker 38: around you feel comfortable. And I guess yeah, I think

2676
02:12:33,987 --> 02:12:38,427
Speaker 38: definitely feeling a bit older now the last couple of years,

2677
02:12:38,507 --> 02:12:43,147
Speaker 38: so trying to keep myself young by hanging out and

2678
02:12:43,587 --> 02:12:46,347
Speaker 38: getting around them. So yeah, I think those are the

2679
02:12:47,427 --> 02:12:49,027
Speaker 38: things I tried to do as a leaders, Just lead

2680
02:12:49,067 --> 02:12:51,947
Speaker 38: by action and make sure they feel comfortable around me.

2681
02:12:52,827 --> 02:12:55,627
Speaker 3: And pretty proud history of rugby league and your family

2682
02:12:55,707 --> 02:12:57,987
Speaker 3: of course, you and your mum, Lorena New Zealand's only

2683
02:12:58,067 --> 02:13:00,947
Speaker 3: mother son combination to represent the Kiwi Ferns and then

2684
02:13:00,987 --> 02:13:03,267
Speaker 3: the key Wes. How big an influence has she been

2685
02:13:03,307 --> 02:13:03,787
Speaker 3: on you?

2686
02:13:04,787 --> 02:13:08,667
Speaker 38: She's massive. I guess she's someone that I used to

2687
02:13:08,867 --> 02:13:13,627
Speaker 38: watch growing up a lot. And yeah she's just not

2688
02:13:13,787 --> 02:13:15,787
Speaker 38: only her just playing for QUI friends, but the way

2689
02:13:15,867 --> 02:13:21,267
Speaker 38: she she is just around home, just always I guess,

2690
02:13:21,347 --> 02:13:25,507
Speaker 38: working hard and making sure things are done around the house.

2691
02:13:25,547 --> 02:13:28,347
Speaker 38: I think that's something that I kind of take away

2692
02:13:29,067 --> 02:13:32,547
Speaker 38: into my own lifestyle and how I go about things.

2693
02:13:32,587 --> 02:13:36,227
Speaker 38: So he's been a massive influence, and yeah, I still

2694
02:13:37,507 --> 02:13:39,587
Speaker 38: look up to as a role model today and try

2695
02:13:40,547 --> 02:13:43,347
Speaker 38: see that person that she is day and day out.

2696
02:13:44,147 --> 02:13:48,147
Speaker 3: How did you evaluate your first season with Penrith.

2697
02:13:49,267 --> 02:13:53,907
Speaker 38: Ah, Yeah, good. Obviously a rough start, but I think

2698
02:13:54,027 --> 02:13:57,587
Speaker 38: personally I was growing each day each week and that

2699
02:13:57,707 --> 02:14:00,587
Speaker 38: was probably the main thing I wanted to do throughout

2700
02:14:00,627 --> 02:14:04,867
Speaker 38: this year, and I thought I did that and obviously

2701
02:14:05,147 --> 02:14:07,667
Speaker 38: came up short at the back end of the year.

2702
02:14:07,747 --> 02:14:11,947
Speaker 38: But myself, I was hadn't been in final forty since

2703
02:14:12,387 --> 02:14:16,307
Speaker 38: twenty twenty two, so that was something that I relished

2704
02:14:16,347 --> 02:14:19,147
Speaker 38: and enjoyed, but obviously wanted to go all the way

2705
02:14:19,147 --> 02:14:22,187
Speaker 38: and that didn't happen. So still got a goal to chase,

2706
02:14:23,307 --> 02:14:26,307
Speaker 38: and yeah, I'm looking forward to for the next couple

2707
02:14:26,307 --> 02:14:27,507
Speaker 38: of years at the club.

2708
02:14:28,027 --> 02:14:29,667
Speaker 3: And what about your time at the Tigers, how do

2709
02:14:29,707 --> 02:14:30,747
Speaker 3: you how do you reflect on that?

2710
02:14:32,467 --> 02:14:32,987
Speaker 22: Yeah, a lot of.

2711
02:14:33,027 --> 02:14:38,707
Speaker 38: Learnings, I guess two years there and I guess, yeah,

2712
02:14:38,747 --> 02:14:44,107
Speaker 38: the results weren't weren't coming and it was definitely tough,

2713
02:14:44,187 --> 02:14:47,707
Speaker 38: but I think it taught me to kind of just

2714
02:14:48,587 --> 02:14:54,507
Speaker 38: count my blessings and and understand that, yeah, my preparation

2715
02:14:54,707 --> 02:14:58,347
Speaker 38: is key to performing on that and on that field

2716
02:14:58,907 --> 02:15:01,507
Speaker 38: on the weekend. So those are the learnings that I

2717
02:15:01,547 --> 02:15:04,987
Speaker 38: took away from from the Tigers, and I've made sure

2718
02:15:05,387 --> 02:15:07,747
Speaker 38: to implement throughout my fin at Tinner.

2719
02:15:08,347 --> 02:15:09,667
Speaker 3: So you're gonna get a bit of time off. I

2720
02:15:09,747 --> 02:15:12,107
Speaker 3: mean you've got tonge to play and then in all

2721
02:15:12,147 --> 02:15:14,347
Speaker 3: probability the final as well. Do you get a bit

2722
02:15:14,387 --> 02:15:15,787
Speaker 3: of time off before you have to report back for

2723
02:15:15,827 --> 02:15:16,307
Speaker 3: pre season?

2724
02:15:17,187 --> 02:15:17,387
Speaker 14: Yeah?

2725
02:15:17,467 --> 02:15:21,227
Speaker 38: Yeah, So after we wrap up here, I think the

2726
02:15:22,187 --> 02:15:24,947
Speaker 38: planner's my due dates in the new year, So I

2727
02:15:25,107 --> 02:15:26,907
Speaker 38: got a bit of traveling to do with my family

2728
02:15:26,987 --> 02:15:30,707
Speaker 38: and I'll probably end up here come Christmas time, so

2729
02:15:31,787 --> 02:15:35,187
Speaker 38: I'm looking forward to that. And Auckland, you don't have

2730
02:15:35,347 --> 02:15:39,867
Speaker 38: some good weather, I guess it.

2731
02:15:39,947 --> 02:15:41,947
Speaker 3: Depends on I guess it depends on where you are

2732
02:15:42,387 --> 02:15:46,467
Speaker 3: in the country. But I'm sure you'll find some sunshine somewhere. Isaiah,

2733
02:15:46,507 --> 02:15:48,587
Speaker 3: all the best, all the best against Tom Made and

2734
02:15:48,827 --> 02:15:50,627
Speaker 3: onto the final as well. It's been great to chat

2735
02:15:50,667 --> 02:15:53,347
Speaker 3: to you Made, all the best. You have a good

2736
02:15:53,347 --> 02:15:56,427
Speaker 3: one to two things indeed there out of the Kiwis camp.

2737
02:15:56,507 --> 02:15:59,387
Speaker 3: So they're the second game today at Eton Park. The

2738
02:15:59,427 --> 02:16:03,067
Speaker 3: early game is the Kiwi Ferns against the Australian Jill

2739
02:16:03,107 --> 02:16:06,227
Speaker 3: a Ruse three thirty five. Now both of these teams

2740
02:16:06,547 --> 02:16:09,707
Speaker 3: go forward to the final. They have already both beaten

2741
02:16:09,787 --> 02:16:13,147
Speaker 3: Fettu some more reasonably comfortably well in the case of

2742
02:16:13,147 --> 02:16:15,427
Speaker 3: the Gillarus. It was the case of the Kiwi Ferns.

2743
02:16:15,427 --> 02:16:17,107
Speaker 3: They were made to work for a little bit. But

2744
02:16:17,427 --> 02:16:20,787
Speaker 3: these two will play in the final which is next

2745
02:16:21,067 --> 02:16:25,827
Speaker 3: weekend and as far as the Kiwis are concerned, five

2746
02:16:25,987 --> 02:16:29,587
Speaker 3: past six against Tonga and at all probability unless they

2747
02:16:30,307 --> 02:16:34,627
Speaker 3: lose by a significant margin to Tonga this afternoon, they

2748
02:16:34,667 --> 02:16:38,107
Speaker 3: will go into the final as well, New Zealand against

2749
02:16:38,387 --> 02:16:43,187
Speaker 3: some more and that is next weekend in Sydney. Checking

2750
02:16:43,187 --> 02:16:44,987
Speaker 3: in on the baseball, the Dodgers are on the board

2751
02:16:45,467 --> 02:16:48,707
Speaker 3: bottom of the fourth and Toronto lead it three runs

2752
02:16:48,747 --> 02:16:50,707
Speaker 3: to one. Three runs to one, so the Dodgers are

2753
02:16:50,747 --> 02:16:52,627
Speaker 3: getting a run on the board in the top of

2754
02:16:52,667 --> 02:16:55,227
Speaker 3: the fourth. The Toronto Blue Jay is still with that

2755
02:16:55,667 --> 02:17:00,387
Speaker 3: three to one advantage. Two twenty three and take a break.

2756
02:17:00,387 --> 02:17:02,387
Speaker 3: When we come back. Jack Jordan is on the show,

2757
02:17:02,467 --> 02:17:06,787
Speaker 3: our top AxMan and now an individual world champion, after

2758
02:17:07,147 --> 02:17:11,507
Speaker 3: claiming that title against eleven other top axmen from around

2759
02:17:11,507 --> 02:17:14,707
Speaker 3: the world in Milan, Italy a week ago. Jack Jordan

2760
02:17:14,827 --> 02:17:16,467
Speaker 3: is back home, gonna have a chat to us when

2761
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Speaker 3: we come back.

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Speaker 1: The biggest things in Sports are on Weekend Sports with

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02:17:21,227 --> 02:17:25,667
Speaker 1: Jason Pain and Gjjubnholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,

2764
02:17:25,827 --> 02:17:26,747
Speaker 1: News Talks, NB.

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02:17:27,427 --> 02:17:30,227
Speaker 3: News Talks AB and Weekend Sport. It is two twenty six.

2766
02:17:30,427 --> 02:17:34,067
Speaker 3: Last weekend, the country's top axe men, Jack Jordan, won

2767
02:17:34,147 --> 02:17:38,107
Speaker 3: the still Timber Sports World Championship Individual event for the

2768
02:17:38,147 --> 02:17:40,707
Speaker 3: first time. He's just the third key we to win

2769
02:17:40,787 --> 02:17:45,147
Speaker 3: the title, joining Jason Wynyard and David Bolstad. Having finished

2770
02:17:45,147 --> 02:17:48,387
Speaker 3: a close second last year in the traditional long form

2771
02:17:48,587 --> 02:17:53,467
Speaker 3: format across six different wood shopping and saw in disciplines,

2772
02:17:53,827 --> 02:17:56,587
Speaker 3: Jack Jordan came out on top of the twelve strong

2773
02:17:56,747 --> 02:17:59,987
Speaker 3: field in Milan, Italy last weekend. He's back home now

2774
02:18:00,067 --> 02:18:03,347
Speaker 3: and joins us. Jack, Congratulations on your first win in

2775
02:18:03,467 --> 02:18:06,707
Speaker 3: this very prestigious event. How long did it take sink

2776
02:18:06,787 --> 02:18:09,187
Speaker 3: in that you'd actually won and become a world champion.

2777
02:18:10,067 --> 02:18:12,467
Speaker 14: Well, it was a bit of a strange feeling afterwards.

2778
02:18:13,427 --> 02:18:15,507
Speaker 42: Sort of the event went for about three hours, and

2779
02:18:15,627 --> 02:18:19,427
Speaker 42: I sort of spent them three hours staying pretty composed

2780
02:18:19,467 --> 02:18:22,547
Speaker 42: and staying pretty relaxed. So afterwards I sort of felt

2781
02:18:22,627 --> 02:18:25,667
Speaker 42: like I looked and come across pretty relaxed also, So

2782
02:18:26,267 --> 02:18:28,267
Speaker 42: I think it's still sinking and sinking in now.

2783
02:18:28,427 --> 02:18:32,347
Speaker 3: Yeah, the competition involves six disciplines. Can you just take

2784
02:18:32,467 --> 02:18:35,147
Speaker 3: us through each one and tell us what you have

2785
02:18:35,267 --> 02:18:35,627
Speaker 3: to do for.

2786
02:18:35,667 --> 02:18:39,187
Speaker 42: Each Yeah, So I've got three chopping events and three

2787
02:18:39,307 --> 02:18:43,667
Speaker 42: soaring events. We start off with the underhand chop, that's

2788
02:18:43,707 --> 02:18:47,307
Speaker 42: where we cut the log that's between between our legs.

2789
02:18:48,467 --> 02:18:51,947
Speaker 42: Then we do a stock saw stock saw race, so

2790
02:18:52,027 --> 02:18:56,347
Speaker 42: we cut two discs with a sixty sixty one. Then

2791
02:18:56,387 --> 02:18:58,867
Speaker 42: it goes to the standard block chop where we cut

2792
02:18:58,907 --> 02:19:02,427
Speaker 42: the log that's standing next to us. After that it

2793
02:19:02,587 --> 02:19:06,947
Speaker 42: goes the points for each event changes. After that the

2794
02:19:07,067 --> 02:19:10,467
Speaker 42: single saw, well I suppose theyre handsaw sort of six

2795
02:19:10,547 --> 02:19:14,147
Speaker 42: foot or six foot four long crosscut saws. Cut a

2796
02:19:14,307 --> 02:19:19,547
Speaker 42: wheel with that m Then it's the springboard chop where

2797
02:19:19,547 --> 02:19:22,027
Speaker 42: we put two boards into a tree, climb up and

2798
02:19:22,107 --> 02:19:24,867
Speaker 42: then cut the log off at the top, cut all

2799
02:19:24,907 --> 02:19:27,187
Speaker 42: the way through from one side, and sort of slash

2800
02:19:27,227 --> 02:19:30,547
Speaker 42: it off backhanded. And then it all comes down to

2801
02:19:31,027 --> 02:19:33,547
Speaker 42: the last event, the hot saw, which is actually triple

2802
02:19:33,627 --> 02:19:36,307
Speaker 42: points so yeah, where we use a big two stroke

2803
02:19:37,347 --> 02:19:40,987
Speaker 42: chainsaws to cut three wheels in the space of six inches.

2804
02:19:41,907 --> 02:19:42,107
Speaker 14: Yeah.

2805
02:19:42,147 --> 02:19:43,747
Speaker 42: So the other six events and we sort of get

2806
02:19:43,787 --> 02:19:46,227
Speaker 42: points for every event, and at the end of the

2807
02:19:46,347 --> 02:19:49,587
Speaker 42: day it comes down to who's the most points throughout

2808
02:19:49,627 --> 02:19:49,907
Speaker 42: the day.

2809
02:19:50,187 --> 02:19:52,787
Speaker 3: I'm looking at some of the times for these individual

2810
02:19:52,947 --> 02:19:57,667
Speaker 3: disciplines and we're talking seconds here, Jack, not minutes seconds.

2811
02:19:57,987 --> 02:20:01,547
Speaker 3: There's very little margin for era here, isn't there?

2812
02:20:02,827 --> 02:20:03,027
Speaker 14: Yeah?

2813
02:20:03,067 --> 02:20:06,227
Speaker 42: For sure, Yeah, especially in some of those sawing of

2814
02:20:06,347 --> 02:20:11,027
Speaker 42: the most nervous I was on the night was for

2815
02:20:11,187 --> 02:20:15,867
Speaker 42: that stocksall race, where it's just standard points and it's

2816
02:20:16,067 --> 02:20:18,787
Speaker 42: generally pretty easy for me, or it's like for most

2817
02:20:18,827 --> 02:20:21,187
Speaker 42: people it's pretty easy, but when you're trying to go

2818
02:20:21,267 --> 02:20:24,667
Speaker 42: as fast as you can, it's and I started playing

2819
02:20:24,667 --> 02:20:27,107
Speaker 42: on your mind, but where you know, after you're a

2820
02:20:27,227 --> 02:20:30,467
Speaker 42: few inch inch to one side, it's pretty easy to

2821
02:20:31,227 --> 02:20:33,907
Speaker 42: get a disqualification which would ruin your night.

2822
02:20:34,027 --> 02:20:36,227
Speaker 14: So he was pretty nervous on the night for that one.

2823
02:20:36,507 --> 02:20:39,027
Speaker 3: And then we come to the sixth event, the hot Saw.

2824
02:20:39,307 --> 02:20:41,227
Speaker 3: You were neck and neck pretty much with Australia and

2825
02:20:41,267 --> 02:20:43,387
Speaker 3: branden Meyer right the way through. He said a new

2826
02:20:43,467 --> 02:20:46,547
Speaker 3: PB of six point four to eight seconds in the

2827
02:20:46,627 --> 02:20:48,787
Speaker 3: hot Saw. You're the last guy to go. You step

2828
02:20:48,907 --> 02:20:51,627
Speaker 3: up and you see your own personal best of six

2829
02:20:51,747 --> 02:20:55,747
Speaker 3: point one six to snatch the title. How was that

2830
02:20:56,187 --> 02:20:58,307
Speaker 3: moment or how was that sort of what were you

2831
02:20:58,387 --> 02:21:02,747
Speaker 3: feeling before it? Throughout the six seconds and then afterwards.

2832
02:21:04,187 --> 02:21:07,747
Speaker 42: It's yeah, that strange, really little Leading into the hot saw,

2833
02:21:08,827 --> 02:21:12,067
Speaker 42: I felt really confident, which is quite a good way

2834
02:21:12,147 --> 02:21:15,507
Speaker 42: to be, I suppose, But yeah, like I said, the

2835
02:21:15,627 --> 02:21:18,467
Speaker 42: most nervous I was throughout the whole night was the

2836
02:21:18,507 --> 02:21:20,667
Speaker 42: stock saw race, and that was the second event, and

2837
02:21:21,027 --> 02:21:22,987
Speaker 42: after I got that out of the way, I felt

2838
02:21:23,187 --> 02:21:23,987
Speaker 42: pretty confident.

2839
02:21:25,867 --> 02:21:26,027
Speaker 21: You know.

2840
02:21:26,147 --> 02:21:28,227
Speaker 42: I started picking up a few more points, and I

2841
02:21:28,347 --> 02:21:30,627
Speaker 42: managed to get on top of Braiden by a point

2842
02:21:30,707 --> 02:21:32,587
Speaker 42: or a couple of points there. Leading into the hot saw,

2843
02:21:33,347 --> 02:21:35,267
Speaker 42: I was pretty confident with the hot saw that if

2844
02:21:35,387 --> 02:21:37,987
Speaker 42: needed be, I'd be able to cut between sort of

2845
02:21:38,107 --> 02:21:41,427
Speaker 42: five and six seconds. But all I had to do

2846
02:21:41,547 --> 02:21:43,187
Speaker 42: was beat Braiden in the hot saw, and he had

2847
02:21:43,227 --> 02:21:45,107
Speaker 42: a little bubble. I don't know if you've seen it,

2848
02:21:45,147 --> 02:21:49,027
Speaker 42: he had a little bubble with his first cut, So

2849
02:21:49,227 --> 02:21:53,027
Speaker 42: that sort of allowed me to, yeah, just give me

2850
02:21:53,067 --> 02:21:55,747
Speaker 42: a bit more time on that second or third cut

2851
02:21:55,787 --> 02:21:58,267
Speaker 42: to line them up properly and make sure of it.

2852
02:21:58,427 --> 02:22:00,987
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were second last year, Jack, How much did

2853
02:22:01,107 --> 02:22:04,507
Speaker 3: that second place finish and narrow second place finished last year.

2854
02:22:05,187 --> 02:22:06,947
Speaker 3: Drive you in the twelve month it's leading up to

2855
02:22:06,987 --> 02:22:07,627
Speaker 3: this year's event.

2856
02:22:10,067 --> 02:22:12,907
Speaker 42: It's the feeling of coming home being beaten. You know,

2857
02:22:13,027 --> 02:22:15,307
Speaker 42: you put all that hard work and training into it,

2858
02:22:15,427 --> 02:22:17,507
Speaker 42: and you gave it there. If you come up short,

2859
02:22:18,667 --> 02:22:21,587
Speaker 42: that travel home so you're flying, I don't know what

2860
02:22:21,667 --> 02:22:25,467
Speaker 42: it is, twenty four twenty five hours home. It's it's

2861
02:22:25,507 --> 02:22:28,067
Speaker 42: the feeling of disappointment all the way home. I suppose

2862
02:22:28,107 --> 02:22:31,947
Speaker 42: that's what drove me this year. And yeah, the training,

2863
02:22:32,027 --> 02:22:33,947
Speaker 42: it's I guess that's what pushed me harder.

2864
02:22:34,067 --> 02:22:36,147
Speaker 3: You was it the hot sal last year? Did you

2865
02:22:36,267 --> 02:22:39,427
Speaker 3: have a bobble or a little little incident on the

2866
02:22:39,467 --> 02:22:40,507
Speaker 3: hot seal last year?

2867
02:22:41,427 --> 02:22:43,267
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, it was it was.

2868
02:22:43,707 --> 02:22:45,867
Speaker 42: I could have won it with the hot Sal last year,

2869
02:22:45,947 --> 02:22:48,427
Speaker 42: but I come and Sibey would just so I had

2870
02:22:48,507 --> 02:22:52,467
Speaker 42: to go back for a fourth fourth disc. So yeah,

2871
02:22:52,507 --> 02:22:54,227
Speaker 42: with that happening last year, I sort of put a

2872
02:22:54,267 --> 02:22:57,467
Speaker 42: fair bit into it into that one event this Yeah,

2873
02:22:57,547 --> 02:22:59,627
Speaker 42: just to make sure. And I guess that's why I

2874
02:22:59,667 --> 02:23:02,027
Speaker 42: felt reasonably confident when it comes down to it, that

2875
02:23:02,627 --> 02:23:05,307
Speaker 42: all I had to do was, you know, beat Braiden.

2876
02:23:05,387 --> 02:23:07,707
Speaker 42: And yeah, when you've.

2877
02:23:07,587 --> 02:23:10,387
Speaker 3: Got six disciplines to focus on in terms of preparing

2878
02:23:10,467 --> 02:23:13,187
Speaker 3: for an event like this, how do you divide your time?

2879
02:23:13,307 --> 02:23:16,187
Speaker 3: Do you try and get better on your strong events

2880
02:23:16,347 --> 02:23:18,427
Speaker 3: or do you try and betterer times on the ones

2881
02:23:18,507 --> 02:23:20,547
Speaker 3: that perhaps are your weaker disciplines.

2882
02:23:23,147 --> 02:23:26,627
Speaker 42: Yeah, it's funny to say that my strongest two events

2883
02:23:27,187 --> 02:23:30,747
Speaker 42: are the underhand and standing block, and going into this event,

2884
02:23:31,067 --> 02:23:33,147
Speaker 42: I sort of I put those to the side. And

2885
02:23:34,187 --> 02:23:36,627
Speaker 42: I wouldn't say I didn't train them, but I certainly

2886
02:23:36,627 --> 02:23:39,907
Speaker 42: didn't train them anywhere near as hard, and quite often

2887
02:23:39,987 --> 02:23:43,347
Speaker 42: I might only cut one of them each night instead

2888
02:23:43,347 --> 02:23:47,387
Speaker 42: of doing multiple. I put everything into the other events,

2889
02:23:47,467 --> 02:23:50,947
Speaker 42: which was especially three events which were me weaker events,

2890
02:23:52,147 --> 02:23:54,027
Speaker 42: and as it turned out on the night, they were

2891
02:23:54,147 --> 02:23:57,747
Speaker 42: me strongest three events. So yeah, funny how it works.

2892
02:23:57,827 --> 02:24:02,227
Speaker 42: But yeah, I guess that's what feels so good.

2893
02:24:02,187 --> 02:24:04,787
Speaker 14: When you win. You know those events paid off. Yeah.

2894
02:24:05,227 --> 02:24:09,187
Speaker 42: Do you get nervous, Yeah, for sure, you get nervous.

2895
02:24:09,267 --> 02:24:12,547
Speaker 42: Like I stayed before that stocks All race. I don't

2896
02:24:12,587 --> 02:24:17,107
Speaker 42: think I've ever been so nervous before an event. I

2897
02:24:17,147 --> 02:24:21,707
Speaker 42: think I trained that event so much. I probably overtrained

2898
02:24:21,747 --> 02:24:24,627
Speaker 42: a little bit and I started, Yeah, I started losing

2899
02:24:24,627 --> 02:24:26,707
Speaker 42: a bit of confidence and started putting the saw in

2900
02:24:26,747 --> 02:24:29,027
Speaker 42: the wrong place, and I was just so scared of

2901
02:24:29,067 --> 02:24:32,507
Speaker 42: getting the DQ. But yeah, I come out lucky enough

2902
02:24:32,547 --> 02:24:35,987
Speaker 42: to manage to win that event. So yeah, you're getting

2903
02:24:36,027 --> 02:24:37,747
Speaker 42: that one done and getting the winning that event. It

2904
02:24:37,827 --> 02:24:39,507
Speaker 42: was a huge relief and sort of setting me up

2905
02:24:39,507 --> 02:24:40,187
Speaker 42: for the rest of the night.

2906
02:24:40,307 --> 02:24:43,787
Speaker 3: Yeah, over three thousand fans pecked into watch. What was

2907
02:24:43,827 --> 02:24:44,427
Speaker 3: the atmosphere?

2908
02:24:44,547 --> 02:24:47,107
Speaker 14: Like, Yeah, pretty good.

2909
02:24:47,547 --> 02:24:49,787
Speaker 42: I sort of I'm pretty good at blocking that out,

2910
02:24:49,907 --> 02:24:53,227
Speaker 42: so I hardly hear the noise and all I sort

2911
02:24:53,267 --> 02:24:55,227
Speaker 42: of see when I'm up on stage is all the

2912
02:24:55,587 --> 02:24:58,227
Speaker 42: lights sort of flickering here and there, all the different

2913
02:24:58,267 --> 02:25:01,587
Speaker 42: lights I've got going. So yeah, it's pretty good atmosphere,

2914
02:25:01,667 --> 02:25:04,027
Speaker 42: but I probably don't take it in to the same

2915
02:25:04,067 --> 02:25:06,067
Speaker 42: extent as what other people do. I try and sort

2916
02:25:06,067 --> 02:25:07,787
Speaker 42: of blow it out and focus on what I'm doing.

2917
02:25:07,867 --> 02:25:10,987
Speaker 3: Yeah, so now you're defending champion. Will you go back

2918
02:25:11,027 --> 02:25:12,267
Speaker 3: to defend next year?

2919
02:25:13,067 --> 02:25:15,787
Speaker 42: Well, we've got to qualify for it at the real game,

2920
02:25:15,907 --> 02:25:19,387
Speaker 42: so only one person from each country gets to compete

2921
02:25:19,427 --> 02:25:23,347
Speaker 42: in that event. So yeah, throughout our season, I guess

2922
02:25:23,427 --> 02:25:26,707
Speaker 42: everything sort of leads to that one day and hopefully

2923
02:25:26,707 --> 02:25:29,467
Speaker 42: I can go good enough to qualify again and get

2924
02:25:29,547 --> 02:25:29,907
Speaker 42: back there.

2925
02:25:29,987 --> 02:25:30,147
Speaker 14: Yeah.

2926
02:25:30,387 --> 02:25:31,667
Speaker 3: So when when is that day?

2927
02:25:33,307 --> 02:25:35,267
Speaker 14: I think it's the second weekend of March. I could

2928
02:25:35,307 --> 02:25:37,707
Speaker 14: be wrong, but yeah, it's in March sometime. Yeah, all right.

2929
02:25:37,787 --> 02:25:41,667
Speaker 3: So so just so the wood chopping season is that

2930
02:25:41,907 --> 02:25:43,707
Speaker 3: is that? Is it sum a summer sport here.

2931
02:25:43,627 --> 02:25:44,187
Speaker 22: In New Zealand.

2932
02:25:44,827 --> 02:25:45,347
Speaker 14: Yeah, it is.

2933
02:25:45,507 --> 02:25:49,027
Speaker 42: So everyone else is sort of coming to the end

2934
02:25:49,067 --> 02:25:52,267
Speaker 42: of their season, whereas our season hasn't started over here,

2935
02:25:52,387 --> 02:25:54,467
Speaker 42: so it's a little bit different for us with sort

2936
02:25:54,507 --> 02:25:57,147
Speaker 42: of we've had a breakover wind or had a bit

2937
02:25:57,187 --> 02:25:59,987
Speaker 42: of a break and we you know, we've got to

2938
02:26:00,027 --> 02:26:04,787
Speaker 42: start training. Yeah, training from scratch, which is probably a

2939
02:26:04,827 --> 02:26:07,427
Speaker 42: little bit different to other people, but that's where we're

2940
02:26:07,427 --> 02:26:08,947
Speaker 42: going to train so hard at home, I guess.

2941
02:26:09,027 --> 02:26:09,227
Speaker 14: Yeah.

2942
02:26:09,707 --> 02:26:12,667
Speaker 3: And do you still have a deep motivation for this, Jack?

2943
02:26:12,707 --> 02:26:15,587
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, obviously you had that. I guess

2944
02:26:15,627 --> 02:26:17,027
Speaker 3: you call it a rock under the beach towel of

2945
02:26:17,107 --> 02:26:19,507
Speaker 3: having finished second last time you've won it. Now, do

2946
02:26:19,587 --> 02:26:22,787
Speaker 3: you still feel as though you'll have motivation to, you know,

2947
02:26:22,987 --> 02:26:25,987
Speaker 3: to continue to strive for improvement and for excellence.

2948
02:26:27,147 --> 02:26:31,147
Speaker 14: Yeah, for sure, moving forward to next year, I'd want.

2949
02:26:31,027 --> 02:26:32,747
Speaker 42: To win it, just as much as what it did

2950
02:26:32,827 --> 02:26:34,907
Speaker 42: leading up to this year, so I don't think anything

2951
02:26:34,947 --> 02:26:35,707
Speaker 42: would change.

2952
02:26:35,507 --> 02:26:40,547
Speaker 3: To me there. Wonderful well. Congratulations Jack, amazing news over

2953
02:26:40,787 --> 02:26:43,747
Speaker 3: Labor weekend back here that you had become a world champion.

2954
02:26:43,987 --> 02:26:45,867
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us this afternoon, mate and telling us

2955
02:26:45,867 --> 02:26:47,147
Speaker 3: all about it. We'll look forward to seeing how the

2956
02:26:47,147 --> 02:26:48,067
Speaker 3: summer plays out for you.

2957
02:26:48,747 --> 02:26:50,347
Speaker 14: Hi, Thank you very much, really appreciate it.

2958
02:26:50,427 --> 02:26:52,547
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate you joining us, Jack. Thanks indeed, Jack

2959
02:26:52,707 --> 02:26:56,947
Speaker 3: Jordan our top AxMan still timber Sports World champion in

2960
02:26:57,067 --> 02:27:00,347
Speaker 3: the individual event last weekend for the first time the

2961
02:27:00,867 --> 02:27:04,827
Speaker 3: six different wood chopping and soaring disciplines and a winner,

2962
02:27:04,987 --> 02:27:09,707
Speaker 3: Jack Jordan, ahead of eleven others in Milan, Italy last weekend,

2963
02:27:10,427 --> 02:27:13,147
Speaker 3: coming up twenty four to three. Some football four years shortly,

2964
02:27:13,467 --> 02:27:16,347
Speaker 3: just back to the baseball momentarily bottom of the fourth.

2965
02:27:17,347 --> 02:27:21,227
Speaker 3: There was an incident a short time ago where the batter,

2966
02:27:22,267 --> 02:27:24,867
Speaker 3: one of the Dodgers batters. I think it was one

2967
02:27:24,867 --> 02:27:26,667
Speaker 3: of the Blue Jays. Probably doesn't matter in terms of

2968
02:27:26,707 --> 02:27:28,787
Speaker 3: the story I'm going to tell. I think it was

2969
02:27:28,907 --> 02:27:32,467
Speaker 3: a Dodger's batter was hit by a Toronto pitch, but

2970
02:27:32,587 --> 02:27:34,907
Speaker 3: it wasn't one that you know, in the head or anything.

2971
02:27:34,947 --> 02:27:39,507
Speaker 3: It kind of grazed past his gloves as it went through,

2972
02:27:39,747 --> 02:27:42,347
Speaker 3: and there was just a big set to and all

2973
02:27:42,387 --> 02:27:45,787
Speaker 3: of a sudden, both teams, the dugouts cleared, and not

2974
02:27:45,907 --> 02:27:48,627
Speaker 3: just the dugouts, but players were coming from everywhere. There

2975
02:27:48,667 --> 02:27:51,307
Speaker 3: wasn't necessarily a lot of physical contact out there, but

2976
02:27:51,387 --> 02:27:54,947
Speaker 3: it was just like it was just like all these

2977
02:27:55,267 --> 02:27:58,507
Speaker 3: players just appeared out on the diamonds, sort of squaring

2978
02:27:58,627 --> 02:28:01,827
Speaker 3: up to one another in a show of testosterone more

2979
02:28:01,867 --> 02:28:07,147
Speaker 3: than anything else. They're back playing now, thankfully, and three

2980
02:28:07,227 --> 02:28:10,707
Speaker 3: one of those to the Toronto Blue Jays against the

2981
02:28:11,027 --> 02:28:13,387
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Dodgers. This is Game seven, of course, the

2982
02:28:13,467 --> 02:28:19,747
Speaker 3: winner will win the Baseball World Series. Text through here

2983
02:28:20,187 --> 02:28:22,187
Speaker 3: I love tim of sports. Kiwis have always done well

2984
02:28:24,267 --> 02:28:27,907
Speaker 3: as a competitive AX thrower in the World AX Throwing League.

2985
02:28:27,987 --> 02:28:31,827
Speaker 3: I haven't added interest the World AX Throwing League. We

2986
02:28:31,907 --> 02:28:33,147
Speaker 3: need to get a bit of that on Andy. We

2987
02:28:33,227 --> 02:28:35,107
Speaker 3: need to get some X throwing on the on the

2988
02:28:35,147 --> 02:28:39,027
Speaker 3: station onto Weekend Sport, see if we can find it

2989
02:28:39,107 --> 02:28:42,147
Speaker 3: a bit more about that twenty two to three. Back

2990
02:28:42,147 --> 02:28:44,307
Speaker 3: in a sec. We'll get inside the Wellington Phoenix women's

2991
02:28:44,347 --> 02:28:46,067
Speaker 3: camp ahead of their season opening next Saturday.

2992
02:28:46,467 --> 02:28:49,307
Speaker 1: Don't get caught Offside Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty

2993
02:28:49,707 --> 02:28:54,227
Speaker 1: Weekend Sports with Jason Payne and GJ. Guvnerhomes New Zealand's

2994
02:28:54,267 --> 02:28:56,347
Speaker 1: most trusted home builder news Dogs.

2995
02:28:56,187 --> 02:28:59,067
Speaker 3: MB coming up nineteen away from three. Good win for

2996
02:28:59,107 --> 02:29:02,387
Speaker 3: Auckland FC yesterday in the A League Men's competition over

2997
02:29:02,427 --> 02:29:05,987
Speaker 3: Adelaide United, a team they had never previously beaten in

2998
02:29:06,067 --> 02:29:08,587
Speaker 3: the A League couple of draws last season, a late

2999
02:29:08,667 --> 02:29:12,147
Speaker 3: goal from Louis Vastrata giving Auckland FC the win. They

3000
02:29:12,627 --> 02:29:14,667
Speaker 3: go to the top of the table. The Wellington Phoenix

3001
02:29:14,787 --> 02:29:18,707
Speaker 3: men are in action tonight in Gosford on the New

3002
02:29:18,787 --> 02:29:22,067
Speaker 3: South Wales Central Coast against the Central Coast Mariners. If

3003
02:29:22,067 --> 02:29:24,187
Speaker 3: the Phoenix were to win that game by any margin,

3004
02:29:24,587 --> 02:29:26,347
Speaker 3: they would go to the top of the table and

3005
02:29:26,507 --> 02:29:30,707
Speaker 3: next weekend it's Derby Number one Wellington Phoenix Auckland FC

3006
02:29:30,987 --> 02:29:35,467
Speaker 3: sky Stadium next Saturday night, seven o'clock kickoff. The early

3007
02:29:35,587 --> 02:29:37,667
Speaker 3: game next Saturday, as part of the double header, is

3008
02:29:37,747 --> 02:29:40,427
Speaker 3: the first game of the season for the Wellington Phoenix

3009
02:29:40,867 --> 02:29:44,107
Speaker 3: women and there is a high degree of excitement around

3010
02:29:44,227 --> 02:29:47,587
Speaker 3: about the women's side. This season. The Phoenix have signed

3011
02:29:47,627 --> 02:29:51,987
Speaker 3: some exciting new players, including current Football Ferns goalkeeper Vic Essen,

3012
02:29:52,027 --> 02:29:55,947
Speaker 3: also CJ Bott and Macy Fraser who's returned to the club.

3013
02:29:55,987 --> 02:29:59,867
Speaker 3: They also have five new overseas import players. One of

3014
02:29:59,947 --> 02:30:05,027
Speaker 3: those is former Dutch international Tessel Midach, who has spent

3015
02:30:05,107 --> 02:30:08,667
Speaker 3: the last four season at Rangers in Scotland, where she

3016
02:30:08,747 --> 02:30:12,867
Speaker 3: won six trophies, after also lifting silverware in England and

3017
02:30:13,147 --> 02:30:16,547
Speaker 3: in the Netherlands. She's been capped forty four times by

3018
02:30:16,627 --> 02:30:19,587
Speaker 3: her country at senior level and played in the twenty

3019
02:30:19,667 --> 02:30:23,427
Speaker 3: fifteen FIFA Women's World Cup in Canada. Had the opportunity

3020
02:30:23,467 --> 02:30:26,747
Speaker 3: to catch up with Tissau Medaka recently to ask how

3021
02:30:26,787 --> 02:30:29,267
Speaker 3: she was settling into Wellington and how the move to

3022
02:30:29,307 --> 02:30:30,627
Speaker 3: the Phoenix had come about.

3023
02:30:31,267 --> 02:30:33,347
Speaker 23: First of all, thank you for the welcome. It's been

3024
02:30:33,387 --> 02:30:36,467
Speaker 23: great to be here in Wellington and New Zealand five

3025
02:30:36,547 --> 02:30:39,467
Speaker 23: weeks now and I'm really enjoying it. So how this

3026
02:30:39,627 --> 02:30:43,227
Speaker 23: whole move came about? So after four years at Rangers

3027
02:30:43,267 --> 02:30:46,507
Speaker 23: and in Glasgow in Scotland, I think I was ready

3028
02:30:46,547 --> 02:30:49,627
Speaker 23: for something, something new, And when you're at my age

3029
02:30:49,947 --> 02:30:52,907
Speaker 23: thirty two years old, it's like okay, what ye are?

3030
02:30:52,987 --> 02:30:54,867
Speaker 23: What are we going to do? What am I going

3031
02:30:54,947 --> 02:30:57,827
Speaker 23: to do. I'm from the Netherlands, so part of me

3032
02:30:57,907 --> 02:31:00,147
Speaker 23: I was like, should I sort of maybe try and

3033
02:31:00,227 --> 02:31:02,747
Speaker 23: finish the last years of my career back home in

3034
02:31:02,827 --> 02:31:06,667
Speaker 23: a Dutch league that is improving every year for the

3035
02:31:06,747 --> 02:31:11,667
Speaker 23: first five years of my yeah, my professional career before

3036
02:31:11,707 --> 02:31:14,947
Speaker 23: I moved abroad. Or am I going to continue this

3037
02:31:15,587 --> 02:31:19,667
Speaker 23: this wonderful adventure that an international football career is. And

3038
02:31:19,787 --> 02:31:23,507
Speaker 23: I opted yeah for the last Yeah, that lasts a

3039
02:31:23,587 --> 02:31:27,587
Speaker 23: second option. It helps that my my partner is a

3040
02:31:27,667 --> 02:31:31,987
Speaker 23: New Zealander, so that, yeah, made it a bit easier

3041
02:31:32,067 --> 02:31:34,107
Speaker 23: to make this decision to to come to New Zealand

3042
02:31:34,147 --> 02:31:38,187
Speaker 23: when the option arose, when when Ington Phoenix was was interested.

3043
02:31:40,107 --> 02:31:42,347
Speaker 23: So yeah, an opportunity for me to to get to

3044
02:31:42,387 --> 02:31:44,227
Speaker 23: know this country a little bit better and to explore

3045
02:31:44,307 --> 02:31:45,907
Speaker 23: yet another league.

3046
02:31:46,507 --> 02:31:49,067
Speaker 3: So you've been here about five weeks now. Was it

3047
02:31:49,147 --> 02:31:51,387
Speaker 3: what you expected? I know the games haven't started yet,

3048
02:31:51,467 --> 02:31:53,987
Speaker 3: but as the country and the club, what what you

3049
02:31:54,147 --> 02:31:54,827
Speaker 3: expected it to be?

3050
02:31:56,387 --> 02:31:56,507
Speaker 21: Well?

3051
02:31:56,507 --> 02:32:00,627
Speaker 23: I wasn't really sure what I had expected. I've I've

3052
02:32:00,707 --> 02:32:03,707
Speaker 23: had a i QV partner for almost three years, so

3053
02:32:03,947 --> 02:32:07,907
Speaker 23: I feel like I'm not completely nude to Yeah. Two

3054
02:32:07,987 --> 02:32:12,307
Speaker 23: key with culture or to you know, the bicultural, part

3055
02:32:12,507 --> 02:32:15,987
Speaker 23: sort of former British and part Maudi culture that that

3056
02:32:16,107 --> 02:32:20,067
Speaker 23: we have here in in this beautiful country. So but

3057
02:32:20,307 --> 02:32:23,707
Speaker 23: but still to experience the first Hakka life myself, and

3058
02:32:23,827 --> 02:32:27,187
Speaker 23: to learn a few wayata, a few songs that we

3059
02:32:27,267 --> 02:32:30,907
Speaker 23: sang together with the local ei here in Wellington. Those

3060
02:32:30,987 --> 02:32:34,307
Speaker 23: moments have been very special. In those first four weeks,

3061
02:32:34,627 --> 02:32:37,107
Speaker 23: four to five weeks here, we had a dawnce ceremony

3062
02:32:37,147 --> 02:32:39,587
Speaker 23: at six am upon mind fig. So I feel like

3063
02:32:39,627 --> 02:32:44,267
Speaker 23: those have been experiences that have surpassed my my expectations.

3064
02:32:44,307 --> 02:32:47,787
Speaker 23: I think, I think makes it all the more worthwhile.

3065
02:32:48,187 --> 02:32:49,707
Speaker 23: Not just here to play football, but I'm here to

3066
02:32:49,867 --> 02:32:51,987
Speaker 23: to learn a bit about this country and the culture

3067
02:32:51,987 --> 02:32:56,587
Speaker 23: as well. So I think my my first experiences have

3068
02:32:56,707 --> 02:33:00,147
Speaker 23: surpassed my expectations. And I've also really been enjoying my

3069
02:33:00,187 --> 02:33:00,987
Speaker 23: football on the bitch.

3070
02:33:01,427 --> 02:33:03,587
Speaker 3: Let's talk a bit about that. I know you've played

3071
02:33:03,707 --> 02:33:06,027
Speaker 3: previously in midfield, but a lot of your football at

3072
02:33:06,067 --> 02:33:08,467
Speaker 3: range was at center back. Is that the role that

3073
02:33:08,867 --> 02:33:11,267
Speaker 3: bit of priestmans most likely to use you in here

3074
02:33:11,307 --> 02:33:13,347
Speaker 3: on Wellington and as part of the back four.

3075
02:33:14,587 --> 02:33:16,707
Speaker 23: Well, it's not always a back four that we play,

3076
02:33:16,787 --> 02:33:19,707
Speaker 23: so back three at times. So it depends a little

3077
02:33:19,747 --> 02:33:22,507
Speaker 23: bit on the yeah, I think, availability of players and

3078
02:33:22,627 --> 02:33:25,547
Speaker 23: on the opposition that we play, and also a little

3079
02:33:25,547 --> 02:33:28,227
Speaker 23: bit on the yeah, the style that a manager prefers.

3080
02:33:28,267 --> 02:33:30,747
Speaker 23: So I've been in midfielder my whole life, and when

3081
02:33:31,267 --> 02:33:33,707
Speaker 23: Joe Potter, our previous manager at Rangers, came in two

3082
02:33:33,787 --> 02:33:37,547
Speaker 23: years into my time at Rangers, she sort of transferred

3083
02:33:37,587 --> 02:33:39,707
Speaker 23: me into a into a center back and we went

3084
02:33:39,787 --> 02:33:41,627
Speaker 23: from a four three three to a three five two.

3085
02:33:41,747 --> 02:33:43,947
Speaker 23: So this was one of the This is maybe very

3086
02:33:44,027 --> 02:33:46,147
Speaker 23: technical for the for the listeners, by the way, but

3087
02:33:46,667 --> 02:33:49,267
Speaker 23: I transformed into being one of the three center backs.

3088
02:33:49,307 --> 02:33:52,027
Speaker 23: So I'm not your classical center back, but one that

3089
02:33:52,227 --> 02:33:55,187
Speaker 23: was allowed to, you know, step into midfield and still

3090
02:33:55,267 --> 02:33:57,547
Speaker 23: do what I can do best, which is, you know,

3091
02:33:57,907 --> 02:34:03,747
Speaker 23: passes passes forwards. So yeah, it depends a little bit

3092
02:34:03,827 --> 02:34:06,107
Speaker 23: on what what the coaches want. And I think that

3093
02:34:06,387 --> 02:34:09,067
Speaker 23: has seen any coaching staff have seen me now for

3094
02:34:09,107 --> 02:34:11,547
Speaker 23: a few weeks in training and in three friendly games

3095
02:34:11,547 --> 02:34:14,267
Speaker 23: that we've played, so I think you'll see a little

3096
02:34:14,307 --> 02:34:17,547
Speaker 23: bit of a mix of me this season. Maybe I'll

3097
02:34:17,547 --> 02:34:20,067
Speaker 23: play more to the midfielder than I have done in

3098
02:34:20,307 --> 02:34:23,827
Speaker 23: the last two years. At Rangers anyway, which I'm enjoying

3099
02:34:24,587 --> 02:34:26,627
Speaker 23: when I play there in games or in training sessions.

3100
02:34:26,707 --> 02:34:28,667
Speaker 23: It just allows me to be a little bit higher

3101
02:34:28,707 --> 02:34:30,267
Speaker 23: up the bitch and be a bit more involved in

3102
02:34:30,827 --> 02:34:34,947
Speaker 23: the action in the opposition books. But I'll still be

3103
02:34:35,027 --> 02:34:36,907
Speaker 23: able to do a job at center back as well.

3104
02:34:36,947 --> 02:34:40,267
Speaker 23: So I think it depends a little bit on numbers

3105
02:34:40,307 --> 02:34:41,267
Speaker 23: as well and availability.

3106
02:34:41,787 --> 02:34:44,067
Speaker 3: How do you assist the squad that has been a

3107
02:34:44,107 --> 02:34:45,987
Speaker 3: symbol here You're obviously a big part of it and

3108
02:34:46,027 --> 02:34:48,827
Speaker 3: the other important players, but a lot of young kiwis

3109
02:34:48,827 --> 02:34:51,707
Speaker 3: as well. How do you evaluate the strength of the squad?

3110
02:34:51,947 --> 02:34:53,507
Speaker 23: Yeah, I think there's a lot of talent in the room,

3111
02:34:53,547 --> 02:34:58,747
Speaker 23: which is exciting. We have a few older experienced players

3112
02:34:58,867 --> 02:35:02,387
Speaker 23: like myself, but there's a very big group of very

3113
02:35:02,467 --> 02:35:04,747
Speaker 23: talented young girls. A lot of them have been away

3114
02:35:04,787 --> 02:35:07,707
Speaker 23: actually or are going away with the under seventeens on

3115
02:35:07,747 --> 02:35:10,267
Speaker 23: the nineteens under twenties, so that's been great to see

3116
02:35:10,307 --> 02:35:13,267
Speaker 23: good experience for them, which hopefully they'll yeah, learn from

3117
02:35:13,307 --> 02:35:17,987
Speaker 23: and bring back to the Phoenix environment. Yeah, I think

3118
02:35:18,027 --> 02:35:20,987
Speaker 23: I'm very excited about, yeah, what we can do this season.

3119
02:35:21,027 --> 02:35:22,907
Speaker 23: I think it's important to try and get everyone fit

3120
02:35:24,627 --> 02:35:28,987
Speaker 23: so that we can utilize the strength that this squad has.

3121
02:35:29,667 --> 02:35:32,347
Speaker 23: We are I think we can still sign one more

3122
02:35:32,467 --> 02:35:36,227
Speaker 23: visa players, So I'm excited. I have no idea who

3123
02:35:37,067 --> 02:35:38,787
Speaker 23: that might be. I don't know if the coaches know,

3124
02:35:39,667 --> 02:35:44,107
Speaker 23: but that would be even better to add another number

3125
02:35:44,187 --> 02:35:47,467
Speaker 23: to the squad that we have. So I'm excited about

3126
02:35:47,467 --> 02:35:47,907
Speaker 23: what we can do.

3127
02:35:48,427 --> 02:35:52,027
Speaker 3: And you bring a vast amount of experience to the squad.

3128
02:35:52,307 --> 02:35:54,787
Speaker 3: You've mentioned your age a couple of times. You shouldn't

3129
02:35:54,787 --> 02:35:57,227
Speaker 3: do that. You still got plenty of time lift, I'm sure,

3130
02:35:57,307 --> 02:35:59,347
Speaker 3: but you are coming into an environment where you are,

3131
02:35:59,667 --> 02:36:02,507
Speaker 3: you know, able to bring experience, international experience some of

3132
02:36:02,547 --> 02:36:05,827
Speaker 3: the biggest clubs in Europe. Do you feel a desire

3133
02:36:05,987 --> 02:36:08,547
Speaker 3: to pass that experience onto some of the younger members

3134
02:36:08,587 --> 02:36:08,907
Speaker 3: of the time.

3135
02:36:09,747 --> 02:36:13,227
Speaker 23: Yeah, I do, And it's not something that that I've

3136
02:36:13,267 --> 02:36:16,187
Speaker 23: always had, but it sort of comes naturally when you yeah,

3137
02:36:16,227 --> 02:36:20,707
Speaker 23: when you get a bit more experienced, shall we say so,

3138
02:36:20,947 --> 02:36:25,507
Speaker 23: it is something that comes natural to me. Yeah, I

3139
02:36:25,667 --> 02:36:29,307
Speaker 23: really like seeing players, younger players developed. For example, we

3140
02:36:29,387 --> 02:36:31,787
Speaker 23: have in pf Flock, we have a seventeen year old

3141
02:36:31,827 --> 02:36:33,907
Speaker 23: and it's just so exciting what you know she can

3142
02:36:33,987 --> 02:36:37,227
Speaker 23: achieve in the next well in this season to come

3143
02:36:37,307 --> 02:36:39,947
Speaker 23: and then in the next years, and I do, of

3144
02:36:40,067 --> 02:36:43,547
Speaker 23: course want to play my part. I've done my coaching

3145
02:36:43,587 --> 02:36:47,307
Speaker 23: batches last year in Scotland, so I've got my uif

3146
02:36:47,347 --> 02:36:51,387
Speaker 23: I C and uif I BE coaching license. Probably there's

3147
02:36:51,387 --> 02:36:54,147
Speaker 23: probably an equivalent here of the the Oceania versions of

3148
02:36:54,227 --> 02:36:57,027
Speaker 23: those coaching batches. But yeah, I've done a bit of

3149
02:36:57,067 --> 02:37:01,467
Speaker 23: coaching with the Rangers Skills Academy last year to get

3150
02:37:01,507 --> 02:37:04,027
Speaker 23: some experience in coaching and it's something that I'm currently

3151
02:37:04,067 --> 02:37:06,267
Speaker 23: still assessing. It's been pretty full on. But if I

3152
02:37:06,387 --> 02:37:10,547
Speaker 23: could potentially do something similar here the Phoenix Girls or

3153
02:37:10,627 --> 02:37:14,387
Speaker 23: boys or both, but in the academy working with younger players,

3154
02:37:14,387 --> 02:37:16,347
Speaker 23: because that is something that excites me.

3155
02:37:16,707 --> 02:37:19,107
Speaker 3: All right. And to finish, you've been part of teams

3156
02:37:19,147 --> 02:37:21,707
Speaker 3: that have been successful, that have one trophies. What are

3157
02:37:21,747 --> 02:37:25,307
Speaker 3: the hallmarks, the royal building blocks of successful teams.

3158
02:37:26,187 --> 02:37:30,067
Speaker 23: Well, we're obviously still building. So the one of the

3159
02:37:30,187 --> 02:37:33,387
Speaker 23: blocks would be getting absolute technical clarity on what the

3160
02:37:33,467 --> 02:37:36,787
Speaker 23: coaches want in and out of possession. But that's yeah,

3161
02:37:36,907 --> 02:37:39,027
Speaker 23: that's a bit dry and a bit basic. But then

3162
02:37:39,667 --> 02:37:41,867
Speaker 23: you know, we need to understand our roles and especially

3163
02:37:41,947 --> 02:37:44,067
Speaker 23: me as someone who likes to you know, who has

3164
02:37:45,387 --> 02:37:48,187
Speaker 23: been tasked to communicate as much as I can. I

3165
02:37:48,307 --> 02:37:50,787
Speaker 23: need to fully understand when and where do we want

3166
02:37:50,827 --> 02:37:53,147
Speaker 23: to press, how do we keep possession of the ball.

3167
02:37:53,747 --> 02:37:54,947
Speaker 23: But then if we want to take it to the

3168
02:37:55,027 --> 02:37:56,907
Speaker 23: next level, which we want to do, we want to

3169
02:37:56,947 --> 02:38:01,147
Speaker 23: do something that's never been done before. I think in

3170
02:38:01,267 --> 02:38:03,987
Speaker 23: the tough moments, that's when when you can see the

3171
02:38:04,067 --> 02:38:07,067
Speaker 23: character of a team. Yeah, the strength of a team.

3172
02:38:07,187 --> 02:38:09,667
Speaker 23: When we're one nailed down, are we able to to

3173
02:38:09,907 --> 02:38:12,507
Speaker 23: to score us two goals to win us the game?

3174
02:38:12,907 --> 02:38:17,787
Speaker 23: So that's when I think we need to be comfortable, Yeah, communicating.

3175
02:38:18,747 --> 02:38:21,867
Speaker 23: Of course at times we've we've done a whole workship

3176
02:38:21,947 --> 02:38:24,787
Speaker 23: on communication last week. We can you know, all get

3177
02:38:24,867 --> 02:38:26,867
Speaker 23: into our own shelves. Like that's when you see, like

3178
02:38:28,427 --> 02:38:30,307
Speaker 23: do you have players in the team, whether you're young

3179
02:38:30,387 --> 02:38:32,867
Speaker 23: or old, but who can you know take the game

3180
02:38:32,907 --> 02:38:34,627
Speaker 23: by the scruff of the neck, whether it's with a tackle,

3181
02:38:34,707 --> 02:38:37,787
Speaker 23: with a with a brilliant past, with an individual, brilliant

3182
02:38:38,627 --> 02:38:41,267
Speaker 23: like an action going past two players and scoring a goal.

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Speaker 23: That's sort of what we need to see if we

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Speaker 23: want to if we want to be successful this season

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Speaker 23: and I'm very excited about the possibilities here.

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Speaker 3: That is the very impressive new acquisition, or one of

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Speaker 3: the new acquisitions for the Wellington Phoenix women's side, former

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Speaker 3: Dutch international Tessel Midach, who will be a big part

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Speaker 3: of this team this season. Their first game is a

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Speaker 3: home game next Saturday, sky Stadium against Canberra, followed by

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Speaker 3: the first derby in the A League men's Wellington Phoenix

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Speaker 3: and Auckland FC. So big day of football coming next

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Speaker 3: Saturday at sky Stadium in the Capitol. Nine to three

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Speaker 3: News Talk's.

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Speaker 1: Eb breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails.

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason m News Talk.

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Speaker 3: ZENB coming up five to three. That is us on

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Speaker 3: weekend Sport for today and for another weekend. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for joining us across the weekend, in particular

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Speaker 3: piece of correspondence via text or email, it is greatly appreciated.

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Speaker 3: We do love interacting with you rather than just talking

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Speaker 3: for three hours or as the case today was four hours.

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Speaker 3: We're back tomorrow night on Sports Talk and back next

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Speaker 3: weekend as well on Weekend Sport. Of course, huge thanks

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Speaker 3: to any McDonald for producing the show. As usual, Tim

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Speaker 3: Beverage is on your radio after three o'clock with the

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Speaker 3: Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective Taking Us Out Today.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to use a Chicago based band or musician,

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Speaker 3: and I thought the band Chicago was too obvious, so

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Speaker 3: instead I've gone with Earth Wind and Fire, who were

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Speaker 3: formed in Chicago, Illinois, nineteen sixty nine. This is their

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Speaker 3: song September Taking Us Out said Tomorrow night.

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