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Speaker 1: Another good report from our education sector. ERO report shows

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Speaker 1: changes to how the English and maths are taught in

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Speaker 1: primary schools, making a material difference. So teachers are seeing

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Speaker 1: higher student engagement. Three quarters of parents say their child

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Speaker 1: are showing clear progress. Lucy Naylor's the Auckland Primary Principal's

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Speaker 1: Association president, also principal at Milford School and as well,

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Speaker 1: it's Lucy morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning mate, would you agree?

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Speaker 1: Do you see it?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Look, this is very promising early signs of improvement

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Speaker 2: across the sector. As you say, teachers and parents are

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Speaker 2: reporting that students achieving much better in English and maths. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're really starting to see a change.

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Speaker 1: Good, good, good. My only concern about this report is

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Speaker 1: it's observational as opposed you know, one on one equals two.

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Speaker 1: Observations are a bit loose around the edges. Is a

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Speaker 1: feel good as valuable as a number.

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Speaker 2: In this instance, Because it's early days, I think it is.

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Speaker 2: We've only been implementing the new curriculum since February this year,

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Speaker 2: so we haven't really got a lot of traction. But

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Speaker 2: this is definitely good signs and promising for moving forwards.

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Speaker 1: And have you seen it in the phonics that we

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Speaker 1: talked about earlier on in the week as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Look, I'm talking from my own school now. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: we've seen huge improvements and the phonics checks and the

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Speaker 2: engagement as well and the attention of the children that

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Speaker 2: are being taught using structure literacy.

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Speaker 1: Isn't this Because we had Eric Iron yesterday and I asked,

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Speaker 1: is this low hanging fruit? I mean, in other words,

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Speaker 1: what I mean is is this the easy stuff? And

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Speaker 1: of course we were going to see improvement? Or is

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Speaker 1: this material? Do you think? And this will continue?

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Speaker 2: I think this is going to continue to be honest,

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Speaker 2: I think education that the English and math criculum and

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Speaker 2: we're kind of at a springboard. We're all prepped and

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Speaker 2: ready to leap into next year. There has been a

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Speaker 2: slow down and the roll out of the other curricular mirrors,

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Speaker 2: which is really useful for the secretor because we can

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Speaker 2: really focus and now the English and the mast.

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Speaker 1: Isn't this wonderful to be talking about education at long

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Speaker 1: last and such a positive light?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look? Absolutely, And that success is largely down to

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Speaker 2: the massive work that primary schools teachers and leaders have

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Speaker 2: put into implementing the curriculum changes.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to go well, Lucy, appreciate the insight,

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Speaker 1: Lucy Naylan, the al Con Primary Principles Association, all the

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Speaker 1: people texting me on this was yesterday as well as

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Speaker 1: you realize it's only a small sample. Mind, is there

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Speaker 1: a default position among some people in this country to

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Speaker 1: be miserable and to be negative? All we've presented so

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Speaker 1: far this week is good news. Is there more? Hopefully do?

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Speaker 1: We know? Not yet, But what we have so far

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Speaker 1: is good news. Things are changing, things are getting better.

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Speaker 1: And all the teachers and all the principles, all the administrators,

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Speaker 1: and all the government ministers and all the people have

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Speaker 1: worked on this deserve credit for what is seemingly indisputably

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Speaker 1: a success story.

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