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Speaker 1: B We've got the most common surname in New Zealand

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Speaker 1: for newborns. I'll get to that before five as well.

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Speaker 1: Barry Soaper is here, Senior political correspondent, Barry. Good afternoon,

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's Barry, isn't it what You're one of the

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Speaker 2: most common No, I know what it would be. What

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Speaker 2: When I saw the headline, I thought, I know sing Ah.

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Speaker 1: Surely well, I thought Wilson.

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Speaker 2: But it's more of a title as well.

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Speaker 1: It is the seat community. It's interesting that's both in

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Speaker 1: North Island and the South Island. Anyway, we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: that later.

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Speaker 2: That's good trivia, very our ta.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of names, Gosh, this is carrying on today?

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Speaker 2: Oh is it? What got the airing again today? Even

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Speaker 2: Ricardo Mendia's march was game enough to stand up when

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Speaker 2: Winston Peters was standing in for the Prime minister. It

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Speaker 2: seems though, Ryan, you, you and your listeners will be

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Speaker 2: pleased know that her role when referring to New Zealand

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Speaker 2: and Parliament is except well. Even though Winston Peters, who were,

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Speaker 2: like I said, was standing in for the Prime minister today,

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Speaker 2: still won't have a bar of it. When he was

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Speaker 2: asked a question by Labour's carmel Si Paloni is continuing

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Speaker 2: to be obstinate. Have a listen.

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Speaker 3: Is Winston Peter's actually accomplishing anything for al Tierdor when

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Speaker 3: he tells members of migrant communities that their views are

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Speaker 3: worth less than people born in old tieredor.

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Speaker 4: That member will get an answer when she asked a

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Speaker 4: question about a country called is Inland, given how precious

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Speaker 4: the language is in this house, but it is sadly

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Speaker 4: being dumped on by two of the most senior Maori

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Speaker 4: members who are questioning the legitimacy. And I ask you

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Speaker 4: to make a ruling on this use or known in

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Speaker 4: terms of the legitimacy of Terrio Martin, the use of

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Speaker 4: either the English sanguage or trol mahry are perfectly acceptable.

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Speaker 1: There's no question about that. Bingo there we have, yeah

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Speaker 1: problem solve public service that the automatic pay rises that

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Speaker 1: they get, they're looking like they're going to come to

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Speaker 1: an end.

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Speaker 2: Well, look when you look at the pay bill last

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Speaker 2: year six point five billion dollars, that was up by

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Speaker 2: five point three percent, So you know, the public service

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Speaker 2: because they are on automatic scales. So regardless if you're

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Speaker 2: sitting behind your desk pushing a pen, not being very

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Speaker 2: extraordinary at what you do, you'll still know that if

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Speaker 2: you're there next year. It's tenure based, so the longer

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Speaker 2: you're there, the more you get paid automatically. Now, I remember,

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Speaker 2: you know, when I started in this business as a

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Speaker 2: journalist many many years ago, we used to have an

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Speaker 2: automatic pay scale as well. You could jump them though,

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Speaker 2: if you were better at your job than others. And

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Speaker 2: I assume that's the way in the public service. But

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Speaker 2: those that really slack, they don't. They won't be sacked.

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Speaker 2: They'll still sit at their desk pushing their pen, getting

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Speaker 2: more money every your year, stay until their retirement and

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Speaker 2: have a nice bonus at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: Game.

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Speaker 2: Now, Flifford Simon's who's with the PSA, She defends vehemently.

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Speaker 1: Does she said they should have every Friday off too.

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Speaker 2: Basically, honestly, it's extraordinary and it was a directive that

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Speaker 2: was put down by Brian Wright. She's making a big

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Speaker 2: difference it. So he's put down a directive that was

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Speaker 2: last December. It came out today it got leaked that

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Speaker 2: he told chief executives that this practice could be at

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Speaker 2: an end and they are going to now sit up

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Speaker 2: and take notice.

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Speaker 1: Because of course there's nothing wrong with a pay increase,

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Speaker 1: but it should be a pay increase based on your

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Speaker 1: performance on merits on merit because and imagine, so the bill,

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Speaker 1: as you said, it's five point nine percent up last year,

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Speaker 1: and that's under a national government. In the wage bill,

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Speaker 1: imagine if you could take all of that money and

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Speaker 1: put it in how high you could pump someone's wage

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Speaker 1: if they're doing a great job.

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Speaker 2: And you'll remember, it's interesting, there's going to be big

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Speaker 2: changes in the SEREA. I'd suggest when you listen to

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Speaker 2: what Chris Chris Luxon has been saying. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: saying there are very talented people in the public service

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Speaker 2: that we should be nurturing better. So yeah, that's.

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Speaker 1: Sort of It's interesting because ACT has a policy on that,

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Speaker 1: don't they, which is some sort of fund. Anyway, we'll

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Speaker 1: cut to we'll cut to the submissions the Treaty principles

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Speaker 1: built the cost of those. Have we got some numbers more.

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Speaker 2: Than two hundred and seventy thousand dollars where it's costing

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Speaker 2: the taxpayer for these submissions. Now, there's an argument that

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Speaker 2: why give a submission to this bill? Because we know

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Speaker 2: it's going to fail anyway, so why waste your breath.

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Speaker 2: I've been watching a large number of these submissions and

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Speaker 2: those who are turning out to give them are mainly Moldy,

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Speaker 2: are mainly absolutely opposed to it. Understandably that's their view,

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Speaker 2: But why waste your time because you're not at the

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Speaker 2: end of it. It's going to be thrown out anyway.

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Speaker 2: But I guess the debate is out there, a little

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Speaker 2: debate at the Select Committee though, because predominantly, from what

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Speaker 2: I've seen, the submissions are totally opposed to the bill.

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Speaker 2: So it's costing a lot of money. That's the price

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Speaker 2: of democracy.

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Speaker 1: Well that's what they're saying. Yeah, hey, before we go,

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Speaker 1: there's been a couple of texts just in the last

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Speaker 1: half hour about your injury. You know, we sort of

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Speaker 1: alluded the other day that we would tell people what

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Speaker 1: happened to you you were injured, but we never actually

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Speaker 1: told them. So what's happened.

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Speaker 2: Well, I could say I was giving the middle finger

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Speaker 2: good night hand, but no, it was a bit of

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Speaker 2: a bike accident, sort of reaching out, a broken knuckle,

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Speaker 2: a joint actually in my ring fingers. So it's going

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Speaker 2: to be operated on good.

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Speaker 1: This me how many surgeries are going to have?

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Speaker 2: I cannot keep out of the operating theater. I like

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Speaker 2: anesthetic so much, Ryan, and I'm going to get back

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Speaker 2: for more.

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Speaker 1: Hey, just before we do go actually the ku Mar case,

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Speaker 1: so he's actually going to be allowed to stay. The

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Speaker 1: minister's decided.

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Speaker 2: Chris Pink.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised that he didn't know before Michael Mara at

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Speaker 1: the Herald started knocking on the door, that he had

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Speaker 1: no idea of this case at all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really feel sorry for this young man. He's

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Speaker 2: eighteen years old. His mum came here more than I

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Speaker 2: think twenty years ago. She's been here illegally, but because

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Speaker 2: she was pregnant when she came, well when she came

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Speaker 2: or when she was here gave birth to him, they said,

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Speaker 2: you've got to go as well as your mother. But

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Speaker 2: the parents have got to go now. But you know,

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Speaker 2: we have rules, we have. It's very sad, it's very satire.

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Speaker 2: The family's been split up, unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the parents are going.

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Speaker 2: He's staying.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. We'll talk to the lawyer. Are the boys lawyer

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Speaker 1: on the show after five tonight and we'll find out

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Speaker 1: what's happening with those parents. Very good to see you.

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