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Speaker 1: We have Prime Minister Christopher lux in morning.

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Speaker 2: Chris, good morning. How are you head? Thank looking very

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Speaker 2: well for someone who's doing early mornings with two little kids.

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Speaker 1: You're looking You're looking lovely in tanned. How was that holiday?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's great. I had five days off and it

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Speaker 2: was just awesome to reintroduce myself to my wife and

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Speaker 2: say hello, and we've had lots of just reading and

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Speaker 2: just lazing around. It was just awesome pool and there

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Speaker 2: was a lot of sleep going on, yeah, which was

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Speaker 2: quite good days just catching up.

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Speaker 1: Did you read the paper this morning?

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Speaker 2: No, I have read the papers.

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Speaker 1: You didn't see the bit that Audrey Young has written

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Speaker 1: which has got the headline, what if the Prime minister

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Speaker 1: fell under a bus?

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Speaker 2: I don't plan on walking in front of anybody, but.

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Speaker 1: Grim isn't it come back from holiday and Audrey people.

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Speaker 2: Planning your demise before you've even sort of I know

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Speaker 2: I got close to it, and I think I've got

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Speaker 2: years ahead of me.

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Speaker 1: Her piece is basically about who would take over who

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Speaker 1: do you read takeover if you fell under a bus?

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Speaker 2: Just not a consideration at this point, not a consideration.

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Speaker 1: You can't control the bus, Chris. If the buskets you.

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Speaker 2: The buskets well, I won't. It won't matter because I

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Speaker 2: won't be here. Bus hits me.

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Speaker 1: So she's down to Nicola, Orbish or Erica or Simeon.

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Speaker 2: Well again, what you've seen, I think most Zealands will

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Speaker 2: see is that I've put together an excellent teeth. I've

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Speaker 2: taken the National Party that was a bit dysfunctional at

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Speaker 2: one point a few years back. We've got it as

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Speaker 2: a highly home machine. We've got the right people in

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Speaker 2: the right places, on the right assignment. So you're proud

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Speaker 2: of all of my ministers.

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Speaker 1: Automatically, Nichola's number two, she should do it.

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Speaker 2: Look, we're just we focused on getting on with the

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Speaker 2: job of turning New Zealand around here, as you well know.

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Speaker 2: And it's just not a consideration.

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Speaker 1: Do you do the thing that I do when I'm

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Speaker 1: on holiday, which is it gives me the chance to

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Speaker 1: step back and really percolate the issues that are bothering meat,

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Speaker 1: let them settle, and then I come back with a

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Speaker 1: real kind of drive to change something.

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Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what happens for me as well.

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Speaker 2: I take two are chants and you come back in

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Speaker 2: and you go right we've got eighteen months to go.

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Speaker 2: We've got to make sure that we are really fixing

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Speaker 2: this economy because people are still feeling the pain of it.

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Speaker 2: After you've had three years of high inflation. People are

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Speaker 2: still pretty tough out there.

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Speaker 1: And so what did you come up with?

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Speaker 2: Just know, we've just got to focus on making sure

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Speaker 2: that everything we know driving through allians of growth.

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Speaker 1: What are you going to do?

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Speaker 2: Well? We're doing what we are, which is making sure

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Speaker 2: we get that oil and gas band reverse this quarter.

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Speaker 2: That's really important for us because we've got to get

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Speaker 2: energy affordable.

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Speaker 1: It's not bringing in any money because nobody.

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Speaker 2: Knows, but making sure that we can keep it at

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Speaker 2: elutriacy prices low.

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Speaker 1: For what are you doing, Chris, You've got you went

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Speaker 1: around holiday, you thought about it, you decided the economy

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Speaker 1: is the thing that needs fixing. And the big idea

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Speaker 1: that you came back is with this.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, I'm just saying just for me,

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Speaker 2: it's always good to get a bit of perspective to say. Yep. Actually,

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Speaker 2: eighteen months ago before the next selection and the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand people will make a decision as to which way

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Speaker 2: they want to go. What they've got to be reassured

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Speaker 2: about is that this progress being made on the economy,

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Speaker 2: that actually are we safer in law and order terms,

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Speaker 2: and are we getting better results in health and education? Okay,

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Speaker 2: so that's why just I come back and go, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm actually I'm really comfortable with the plan that we've got.

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Speaker 2: I think the plan is starting to work. We're dealing

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Speaker 2: with the biggest recession we've had since ninety ninety one.

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Speaker 2: We're turning the joint around. It's blooming hard work. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we have to face into some tough decisions, but we're

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Speaker 2: doing that well. But we've got to focus on getting

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Speaker 2: results for people, and that just you just redouble that,

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Speaker 2: you get clarity about it, saying we'll actually everything's got

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Speaker 2: to be driving towards them.

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Speaker 1: The supermarkets. Do you like David Seymour's idea of fast

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Speaker 1: tracking a supermarket a third If a third entrant wants

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Speaker 1: to come into the country, you give them fast track

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Speaker 2: To be honest, National loves fast track. I mean from

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Speaker 2: day one, Bishop and Joanes are the guys that have

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Speaker 2: put in place on planning laws and infrastructure and they

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Speaker 2: did it, they got going with it. It's fice to

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Speaker 2: say Nicola Willis is all over fast track and considering

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Speaker 2: it in the space around supermarkets, has been for some time.

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Speaker 1: So this may she may do this to help the

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Speaker 1: super I.

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Speaker 2: Don't want to get ahead of herself because she's got

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Speaker 2: a process that she's following and she's doing everything we

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Speaker 2: can to leave no stone unturned, you know, to make

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Speaker 2: sure that there is doing everything we can to get

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Speaker 2: a third operator in or to do everything to get

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Speaker 2: the settings right. Yea, And one of those things is

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Speaker 2: we're up fast track. I mean we love fast track.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was a national part of New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: First corruption you know that we put together from day

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Speaker 2: one to try and shock the system to actually get

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Speaker 2: things built of.

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Speaker 1: This stuff, just say corruption, did you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a construction. Sorry it's very little sleep still here.

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Speaker 2: I'm still a little.

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Speaker 1: What are you going to do about the brain drain?

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Speaker 1: Because those numbers are we orring?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look I'm in just a bit of context. Go

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Speaker 2: back and look at the GFC. There was six years

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Speaker 2: there where the numbers were higher the last year of labor,

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Speaker 2: this our first year and twenty four same numbers. Really

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Speaker 2: It just underscores why do people go to Australia because

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Speaker 2: they think they can earn more income. We've got to

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Speaker 2: make sure they can earn more income and hire and

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Speaker 2: comes here.

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Speaker 1: In us list because it sucks here, right, it's because

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Speaker 1: in their opinion, it sucks here, but christ is.

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Speaker 2: But that's what that's my job, right, It's our job

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Speaker 2: is to make sure that if you're going to work hard,

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Speaker 2: you can get ahead. Yeah, if you actually can walk

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Speaker 2: the streets and feel safe in your community. Actually you

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Speaker 2: feel like the education system for your kids is going

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Speaker 2: to be get setting them up well, Actually, appearance they

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Speaker 2: any healthcare support, they can get access to it. So

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Speaker 2: that's why it's pretty boring. But those are the things

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Speaker 2: that we're very focused on.

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Speaker 1: Right. But it's eighteen months in right, so I feel

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Speaker 1: like at this stage what they are leaving for, they

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Speaker 1: are leaving because you haven't changed things yet.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're dealing with the biggest recession since we've had

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Speaker 2: since the early nineties. That's been clear about. It's been

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Speaker 2: worse than the GFC. As I said to you, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're doing making sure that inflanation's coming down and trust

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Speaker 2: rates are coming down. We're giving people tax relief. We've

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Speaker 2: got the economy growing. You would have seen in the

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Speaker 2: first quarter results that we grew the economy four times

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Speaker 2: faster than Australia and many a Western economies. Yep, it's tough. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's hard. Yes, it's a grind as we get the

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Speaker 1: But apart from the slogans, what have you actually done?

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Speaker 1: I mean, apart from yeah, absolutely you gave the tax

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Speaker 2: Well it's a fazz thing, right. If you really care

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Speaker 2: about people a lower middle income working New Zealanders, you

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Speaker 2: run the economy well, so you don't increase government spinning

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Speaker 2: eighty four percent that drives inflation to seven points.

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Speaker 1: We haven't read increased it very much.

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Speaker 2: Have well we have. Actually we've actually saved twenty three

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Speaker 2: billion dollars last year twenty one billion this year and

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Speaker 2: reprioritized that spending into the frontline services and may being

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Speaker 2: able to invest more in health, more on education.

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Speaker 1: Again, yeah, you've spent it on something.

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Speaker 2: We've redestroyed it and reprioritize it. From the back office,

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Speaker 2: as we've said to the front line, and that's been

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Speaker 2: a good result. I mean, the things that we're doing

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Speaker 2: to do maths and reading and the basics and education

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Speaker 2: well are great. We put a record investment into healthcare.

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Speaker 2: We've got more workforce being hired, more nurses, more doctors

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Speaker 2: being hired than we've ever had in this country. We've

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Speaker 2: got clarity on the on the results. We're starting to

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Speaker 2: see a little bit of improvement on those weightless times

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Speaker 2: for things like elect of surgeries. They went up. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we had a thousand people on the wait list when

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Speaker 2: we left government. We had twenty eight thousand when we

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Speaker 1: Okay, so on using.

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Speaker 2: Private hospitals, I know that those we know.

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Speaker 1: The last lot stuffed it up. I'm just looking for

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Speaker 1: you guys to actually show us that you're fixing it.

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Speaker 1: On the road cones. What are you actually doing about

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Speaker 1: the road cones? What do we supporse? What can we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Chris Biship's doing something, which is the pressures

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Speaker 2: on the counts. First of all, if you zoom out,

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Speaker 2: we spend seven hundred and fifty million dollars three quarters

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Speaker 1: A lot the road except my counts it right, So

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Speaker 1: what do we actually need to do.

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Speaker 2: What's going to happen is Chris Bishop will be linking

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Speaker 2: funding to councils based on a risk making sure they

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Speaker 2: take a risk based approach to road cone management. Because

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Speaker 2: what's happening is it's actually sitting with councils. That's where so.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing that you can change about regulations or

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Speaker 2: Chris Bishop's working that up with some more to say

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Speaker 2: about that, and what is you'll have more to say

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Speaker 2: about it shortly do you know what it is? It is?

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Speaker 2: But basically what he's saying is we want to see

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Speaker 2: councils take what's called a risk based approach to management

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Speaker 2: of funds and he will link the funding that councils

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Speaker 2: get from central government to that task of making sure.

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Speaker 1: How do you do how do you do that? How

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Speaker 1: can you possibly do that? So do you have somebody

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Speaker 1: who goes there and stands look you and says you

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Speaker 1: should have fifty cones here, but you've got five hundred,

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Speaker 1: so we're cutting you FUNDE.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, fund you're making assessment about how much money

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Speaker 2: is needed as part of a project that the central

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Speaker 2: government funds and partnership with local government.

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Speaker 1: As I said, so they won't have enough money for

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Speaker 1: all of the road code.

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Speaker 2: Well, they'll make sure that he'll make sure that the

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Speaker 2: funding is provided on making sure that the councils have

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Speaker 2: implemented as we called a risk based approach. And we've

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Speaker 2: got sensible stuff going on around road cones, not dumb stuff. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you can drive around this country. You see road cones

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Speaker 2: up all up and down the country. We're all over it.

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Speaker 2: I'd just say NZTA. Already they've started to decrease the

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Speaker 2: spending that they've got on road cones already they as

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Speaker 2: I said, that's spending three quarters of a billion dollars

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Speaker 2: just from.

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Speaker 1: Central Let me understand this. So, are you decreasing how

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Speaker 1: much money they're allowed to have for the road cones

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Speaker 1: or are you saying if you have too many road cones,

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Speaker 1: we cut your funding.

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Speaker 2: We're going to make sure that they actually changed their

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Speaker 2: policies so that when they're putting road cones in place

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Speaker 2: for projects that councils are undertaking on local roads and

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Speaker 2: all that stuff where the problems often sit that they

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Speaker 2: actual if they haven't, they've got to make sure they've

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Speaker 2: got a risk based approach. They've actually got as minimal

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Speaker 2: road cones as they need to keep people safe, but

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Speaker 2: not inconvenience people, and CRESS will link funding to that.

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Speaker 2: That's all I'm going to say about that. That's the

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Speaker 2: mechanism that.

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Speaker 1: Is wins this appracement coming.

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Speaker 2: It'll be within the next month or so.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is it an MCTA problem, they're the ones writing

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Speaker 1: the rules.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, there's two bits to it. The government does

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Speaker 2: obviously maintenance of state highways, okay, and then local councils

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Speaker 2: do maintenance of local roads. As I said that we

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Speaker 2: had no visibility over how much central government was spending

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Speaker 2: on road codes. We found out at seven hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars. They've already MCTA have started to build

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Speaker 2: the risk management stuff into what they're doing. That cost

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Speaker 2: is coming down, which is a good thing. And we've

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Speaker 2: got to make sure that councils when they actually fund

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Speaker 2: the private roads, they're public roads, local roads, actually they're

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Speaker 2: doing the same thing. And that's why we'll link the

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Speaker 2: funding to that approach to managing.

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Speaker 1: Com Do you are you rooting for Labor in the

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Speaker 1: by election?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, I mean god knows, because I mean the

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Speaker 2: question is whether are they going to have a fear

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Speaker 2: fight or is going to be a pillow fight because

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Speaker 2: you know, I felt sorry for Peenie Henor a last

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Speaker 2: time because frankly, Chris Heptins didn't challenge that close results

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Speaker 2: and sort of hung them out to dry. Let's be

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Speaker 2: clear whether it's to Party Marty or Labor. Frankly, they've

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Speaker 2: got the same crazy policies, you know, which is being

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Speaker 2: more body at least respects crime.

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Speaker 1: At least one of the respects of the rules around.

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Speaker 2: Health and education outcomes, you know, like that, it's the

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Speaker 2: same thing. And they want to be they want to

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Speaker 2: be in government with these guys. They want to Labor

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Speaker 2: wants to be a power to Party May So, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's that's going to be fascinating to watch.

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Speaker 1: Do you not agree though? At least Labor respects the

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Speaker 1: rules and the media doesn't give them.

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Speaker 2: A labor economic vandals and mismanagers on an extraordinary scale,

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Speaker 2: soft on crime and more healthy education.

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Speaker 1: Now you got to your lines out, all right? Hey,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much. Christ's loving to have you back.

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