1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talks ed B. 3 00:00:12,667 --> 00:00:15,547 Speaker 2: Let's go to Super Rugby Blues Hurricanes Eden Park just 4 00:00:15,627 --> 00:00:18,107 Speaker 2: after seven tonight on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:18,427 --> 00:00:20,307 Speaker 3: They picked it up from the bath right up, a little, 6 00:00:20,307 --> 00:00:21,427 Speaker 3: so and go. He's broken through. 7 00:00:21,667 --> 00:00:26,467 Speaker 2: He's got crave on the inside, cav is away, Cave 8 00:00:26,827 --> 00:00:28,267 Speaker 2: Star thirty eight. 9 00:00:29,267 --> 00:00:32,267 Speaker 3: He he loves it. Came right guard, welcome back. The 10 00:00:32,467 --> 00:00:33,667 Speaker 3: Canes are up by five. 11 00:00:33,747 --> 00:00:35,987 Speaker 2: So know our nice work. Cross Bond on the commentary. 12 00:00:36,067 --> 00:00:39,507 Speaker 2: Hurricanes loose forward and co captain Duplessy Kalifi is with 13 00:00:39,627 --> 00:00:41,507 Speaker 2: us here on Weekend Sport. Thanks for joining us on 14 00:00:41,547 --> 00:00:45,227 Speaker 2: game day, dupless as you look to break out of 15 00:00:45,227 --> 00:00:48,827 Speaker 2: some early season inconsistency. How big a result has significant 16 00:00:48,827 --> 00:00:52,427 Speaker 2: A result and a performance was last weekend's big win 17 00:00:52,467 --> 00:00:53,907 Speaker 2: over the Waratars in Wellington. 18 00:00:54,787 --> 00:00:59,667 Speaker 3: I think last week's game was. It's awesome. I guess 19 00:00:59,787 --> 00:01:02,347 Speaker 3: note to the coaching and work we'll be doing throughout 20 00:01:02,387 --> 00:01:03,987 Speaker 3: the week. So it was really nice to just see 21 00:01:04,027 --> 00:01:06,947 Speaker 3: things click in a sense with a little bit of 22 00:01:06,987 --> 00:01:10,027 Speaker 3: momentum following on from the Holander's winning the Bie week, 23 00:01:10,107 --> 00:01:13,227 Speaker 3: so you know, hopefully we can build on that again 24 00:01:13,947 --> 00:01:15,347 Speaker 3: this evening against the Blues. 25 00:01:15,947 --> 00:01:17,667 Speaker 2: When you look back on the first four games of 26 00:01:17,667 --> 00:01:19,747 Speaker 2: the season, just the one win there, as you were 27 00:01:19,747 --> 00:01:21,707 Speaker 2: trying to work out, you know, what was going on, 28 00:01:21,987 --> 00:01:24,627 Speaker 2: were you able to put your finger on any specific 29 00:01:24,747 --> 00:01:26,707 Speaker 2: reasons for the slowish start. 30 00:01:29,147 --> 00:01:34,747 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question, I think, you know, Yeah, 31 00:01:34,787 --> 00:01:36,787 Speaker 3: there is probably a few things that you could probably 32 00:01:38,027 --> 00:01:41,467 Speaker 3: I guess look towards. But I think just we've seen 33 00:01:41,467 --> 00:01:43,907 Speaker 3: in the Highlanders game a real trust in our system, 34 00:01:44,027 --> 00:01:48,587 Speaker 3: especially on defense, and I think that flowed on to 35 00:01:48,707 --> 00:01:50,867 Speaker 3: the to the Warrortars game, and you just saw the 36 00:01:50,907 --> 00:01:55,347 Speaker 3: boys playing with a real sense of connection, trusting each other, 37 00:01:55,467 --> 00:01:59,747 Speaker 3: trusting the plan, and you know that that held us 38 00:01:59,747 --> 00:02:02,547 Speaker 3: in good steads. So yeah, I would I would tend 39 00:02:02,587 --> 00:02:05,707 Speaker 3: to say it might be one of the one of 40 00:02:05,747 --> 00:02:07,627 Speaker 3: the big rocks that we kind of have looked to 41 00:02:07,667 --> 00:02:11,787 Speaker 3: fix that. Yeah, it's probably a few other things, just. 42 00:02:11,707 --> 00:02:13,987 Speaker 2: On that defensive system and the trust in that system. 43 00:02:14,027 --> 00:02:16,467 Speaker 2: It's an interesting concept to me. So what does that 44 00:02:16,547 --> 00:02:20,347 Speaker 2: look like when there is full trust in a defensive system. 45 00:02:20,387 --> 00:02:24,187 Speaker 2: Is it basically knowing that that your teammates are going 46 00:02:24,267 --> 00:02:26,027 Speaker 2: to do what's required of them as long as you 47 00:02:26,107 --> 00:02:27,107 Speaker 2: do what's required of you. 48 00:02:29,107 --> 00:02:32,187 Speaker 3: Yeah, to put it as simply as possible, it's trusting 49 00:02:32,267 --> 00:02:34,067 Speaker 3: that just like you say, the guy next to he's 50 00:02:34,067 --> 00:02:37,027 Speaker 3: going to do his job, which means you won't see 51 00:02:37,107 --> 00:02:40,907 Speaker 3: boys go out of sad system or you know, try 52 00:02:40,947 --> 00:02:44,907 Speaker 3: to make things happen for the group. They just do 53 00:02:45,147 --> 00:02:48,627 Speaker 3: what is required of them in their particular moment, knowing 54 00:02:48,667 --> 00:02:51,227 Speaker 3: that someone else is going to do the same in 55 00:02:51,267 --> 00:02:54,987 Speaker 3: the next moment. So yeah, it's pretty much like that. 56 00:02:55,147 --> 00:02:56,827 Speaker 3: You know, we've got to put them boys on the field, 57 00:02:56,827 --> 00:03:00,667 Speaker 3: and you know, if we're not trusting each other and 58 00:03:00,707 --> 00:03:02,787 Speaker 3: boys are trying to step on each other's toes and 59 00:03:02,827 --> 00:03:05,747 Speaker 3: do do X y Z, and it's not going to help. 60 00:03:05,827 --> 00:03:08,547 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's kind of yeah, like you say, that's 61 00:03:08,547 --> 00:03:09,547 Speaker 3: how that's how it goes. 62 00:03:10,147 --> 00:03:14,627 Speaker 2: The Hurricanes have probably the most stacked loose forward unit 63 00:03:14,627 --> 00:03:17,547 Speaker 2: in the whole comp is yourself, Bradon, You'll see Peterlarkeye, 64 00:03:17,587 --> 00:03:19,627 Speaker 2: Brad Shields. All of you have had at least one 65 00:03:19,667 --> 00:03:22,187 Speaker 2: game off the bench. Brandon and Peter have played in 66 00:03:22,227 --> 00:03:26,187 Speaker 2: different positions. How does that loose forward dynamic work During 67 00:03:26,227 --> 00:03:28,627 Speaker 2: the week as you prepare for the role that each 68 00:03:28,707 --> 00:03:30,587 Speaker 2: of you us asked to play in each game. 69 00:03:32,747 --> 00:03:36,187 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're really we're really blessed, I guess with the 70 00:03:36,227 --> 00:03:39,787 Speaker 3: talent and the not just the talent, but the work 71 00:03:39,787 --> 00:03:42,907 Speaker 3: ethic that we have within our lustrio. You know, we 72 00:03:43,027 --> 00:03:45,867 Speaker 3: were boys that we're at home, they haven't played yet, 73 00:03:45,867 --> 00:03:50,907 Speaker 3: that are challenging us every week. Johnie Halloeyla Patrick, reci 74 00:03:51,547 --> 00:03:54,227 Speaker 3: even Devin Flanders he's coming back from a broken ankle. 75 00:03:54,347 --> 00:03:58,547 Speaker 3: So you know, we're we're really lucky in their sense, 76 00:03:58,587 --> 00:04:00,987 Speaker 3: and the group works really well to get to figure 77 00:04:00,987 --> 00:04:03,267 Speaker 3: out what what the boys who are playing need and 78 00:04:03,307 --> 00:04:06,227 Speaker 3: we go after that. So yeah, it's a massive challenge. 79 00:04:06,507 --> 00:04:08,507 Speaker 3: I don't mb our coaches trying to pick the trio 80 00:04:08,547 --> 00:04:12,947 Speaker 3: each week because you know, any number of us could 81 00:04:12,987 --> 00:04:16,587 Speaker 3: start week in, week out. So I think as players 82 00:04:16,667 --> 00:04:19,507 Speaker 3: and as a group, our our focus is just to 83 00:04:19,547 --> 00:04:21,347 Speaker 3: put our best foot board and make that decision as 84 00:04:21,347 --> 00:04:24,067 Speaker 3: hard as possible for the coaches, and then once they 85 00:04:24,067 --> 00:04:27,027 Speaker 3: make the decision, just trust it they're making the decision 86 00:04:27,067 --> 00:04:29,347 Speaker 3: for the right reasons and work of that. And so 87 00:04:30,307 --> 00:04:32,187 Speaker 3: you know, testament to Brad, he was on the bench 88 00:04:32,307 --> 00:04:34,907 Speaker 3: last week and he's there again. But you would never 89 00:04:35,747 --> 00:04:37,707 Speaker 3: you would never tell if you were talking to him 90 00:04:37,707 --> 00:04:40,187 Speaker 3: throughout the week. Is nothing changes around his breath and 91 00:04:40,227 --> 00:04:43,027 Speaker 3: how he leads the group. He's fully supportive of the 92 00:04:43,067 --> 00:04:47,227 Speaker 3: three that are starting. And yeah, I just have an 93 00:04:47,267 --> 00:04:50,627 Speaker 3: extreme admiration for players like that who don't change whether 94 00:04:50,667 --> 00:04:52,947 Speaker 3: they're starting on the bench or not playing. 95 00:04:53,187 --> 00:04:56,827 Speaker 2: Yeah, total pro, that's for sure. When you review your 96 00:04:56,867 --> 00:04:59,547 Speaker 2: own performance as dupes, when you on a Monday or 97 00:04:59,547 --> 00:05:02,267 Speaker 2: whenever it is, review your own performance, what are the 98 00:05:02,347 --> 00:05:06,187 Speaker 2: metrics or the stats that you pay particular attention to. 99 00:05:08,747 --> 00:05:11,227 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie party. I don't look at any steps. 100 00:05:13,147 --> 00:05:17,907 Speaker 3: I just look at whether I'm effective or not. So 101 00:05:18,707 --> 00:05:20,907 Speaker 3: an example of that is there's a ruck that I 102 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:23,787 Speaker 3: need a claim. Have I done a good Am I 103 00:05:23,827 --> 00:05:26,987 Speaker 3: effective there and done exactly what we need in that moment? 104 00:05:28,147 --> 00:05:30,187 Speaker 3: You know, to produce good ball for a half back, 105 00:05:31,107 --> 00:05:33,187 Speaker 3: there's a tackle that needs to be made. Yeah, I 106 00:05:33,187 --> 00:05:35,347 Speaker 3: could make the tackle. In their counsels the tackle made, 107 00:05:35,387 --> 00:05:37,467 Speaker 3: but you know, is it an effective tackle? Is it 108 00:05:37,507 --> 00:05:41,547 Speaker 3: a dominant tackle? So yeah, just to shed a little 109 00:05:41,547 --> 00:05:44,907 Speaker 3: bit of a lot in your christian I don't really 110 00:05:44,947 --> 00:05:47,587 Speaker 3: look at steps because I don't think stets pay the 111 00:05:47,587 --> 00:05:51,227 Speaker 3: whole picture. I look at whether or not what I 112 00:05:51,267 --> 00:05:54,347 Speaker 3: did in the moment benefited our team in a positive way, 113 00:05:54,427 --> 00:05:55,747 Speaker 3: or if it put us on the big foot. 114 00:05:55,787 --> 00:05:59,627 Speaker 2: So yeah, good answer. I do have a step. I 115 00:05:59,627 --> 00:06:03,027 Speaker 2: do have a step for you. Though you've you personally 116 00:06:03,107 --> 00:06:08,267 Speaker 2: have only conceded two penalties in six games this season. 117 00:06:08,827 --> 00:06:10,747 Speaker 2: Is that a part of the game that you have 118 00:06:10,827 --> 00:06:14,227 Speaker 2: specifically worked hard on? I mean, look, you and I've 119 00:06:14,267 --> 00:06:15,707 Speaker 2: spoken about this in the past. You know I used 120 00:06:15,707 --> 00:06:17,387 Speaker 2: to give up penalties. You know you don't give them 121 00:06:17,467 --> 00:06:19,507 Speaker 2: up very often at all. Now is it a work 122 00:06:19,547 --> 00:06:21,667 Speaker 2: on that you have specifically focused on. 123 00:06:23,707 --> 00:06:26,427 Speaker 3: It is definitely a work on that I focused on, 124 00:06:26,507 --> 00:06:30,267 Speaker 3: But I haven't focused on not giving away penalties. I've 125 00:06:30,307 --> 00:06:33,907 Speaker 3: focused on just being better and making better decisions, and 126 00:06:33,907 --> 00:06:38,987 Speaker 3: the penalty count as the byproduct of that, I hope. Yeah, 127 00:06:39,347 --> 00:06:42,427 Speaker 3: it's something that I'm really really proud of. But it's 128 00:06:42,507 --> 00:06:45,947 Speaker 3: no like, yeah, I guess it's no biggie because at 129 00:06:45,947 --> 00:06:47,187 Speaker 3: the end of the day, there's all we want for 130 00:06:47,227 --> 00:06:49,627 Speaker 3: my players is to be reliable and not give away penalties. 131 00:06:49,667 --> 00:06:52,867 Speaker 3: So yeah, in a sense, I'm actually just doing my job. 132 00:06:54,187 --> 00:06:56,827 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I've just yeah, I've just really 133 00:06:56,827 --> 00:06:59,627 Speaker 3: worked on my decision making and I think early on 134 00:06:59,707 --> 00:07:04,147 Speaker 3: in my career, especially you know, nineteen twenty twenty one, 135 00:07:04,707 --> 00:07:07,987 Speaker 3: a lot of those penalties were driven by ego me 136 00:07:08,147 --> 00:07:11,867 Speaker 3: thinking that I could get something that you know definitely 137 00:07:11,867 --> 00:07:17,227 Speaker 3: could not get, you know, like, and then we allude 138 00:07:17,267 --> 00:07:19,027 Speaker 3: back to the trust, which we talked about it at 139 00:07:19,267 --> 00:07:22,987 Speaker 3: the start of the interview. There wasn't a lot of 140 00:07:22,987 --> 00:07:27,227 Speaker 3: trust from me in the system, whereas now I don't 141 00:07:27,267 --> 00:07:30,147 Speaker 3: need to put myself out there in a compromised position 142 00:07:30,227 --> 00:07:32,867 Speaker 3: because I know that we might get the ball back 143 00:07:32,907 --> 00:07:34,867 Speaker 3: a few phases later or someone else is going to 144 00:07:34,867 --> 00:07:37,747 Speaker 3: do it in a better position. So yeah, it is 145 00:07:37,787 --> 00:07:40,507 Speaker 3: a it's a byproduct, I guess the penalty account of 146 00:07:40,867 --> 00:07:42,907 Speaker 3: just making better decisions and trusting everyone. 147 00:07:43,707 --> 00:07:46,547 Speaker 2: Well, it's part of your game, that is, that is 148 00:07:46,667 --> 00:07:48,747 Speaker 2: part of the whole game, which is turning a lot 149 00:07:48,747 --> 00:07:53,787 Speaker 2: aheads your performances this season. Most people are picking you 150 00:07:53,827 --> 00:07:56,027 Speaker 2: to make the All Blacks this year. Are you aware 151 00:07:56,067 --> 00:07:56,747 Speaker 2: of that noise? 152 00:07:59,307 --> 00:08:04,827 Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't. I guess the under a rock not 153 00:08:04,467 --> 00:08:07,587 Speaker 3: to see it and feel it. But I think I'm 154 00:08:07,627 --> 00:08:09,587 Speaker 3: mature enough now to not take any of it in 155 00:08:09,667 --> 00:08:12,227 Speaker 3: my stride, not you know, like, not let it affect me. 156 00:08:12,307 --> 00:08:15,267 Speaker 3: If they speak my week, I think my prep just 157 00:08:15,347 --> 00:08:19,747 Speaker 3: taking it at my stride. You, for example, plenty of 158 00:08:19,747 --> 00:08:21,187 Speaker 3: a lot of respect to you, so I always want 159 00:08:21,187 --> 00:08:23,907 Speaker 3: to give you my time. But I don't feel like, 160 00:08:24,467 --> 00:08:27,987 Speaker 3: you know, doing media is something that has a negative 161 00:08:27,987 --> 00:08:31,707 Speaker 3: effect on me. Yeah, it's just part of the job really, 162 00:08:31,747 --> 00:08:33,827 Speaker 3: and at the end of the day, it's not up 163 00:08:33,867 --> 00:08:36,667 Speaker 3: to me. It's not up to the media. Hopex the team. 164 00:08:37,147 --> 00:08:41,387 Speaker 3: It's after the big dogs. And you know, if I'm 165 00:08:41,387 --> 00:08:44,227 Speaker 3: in that picture of Soviet if I'm not, then all 166 00:08:44,227 --> 00:08:46,027 Speaker 3: I can do is play well for the Hurricanes. And 167 00:08:46,747 --> 00:08:49,627 Speaker 3: at the moment, you know, there's something I'm extremely passionate 168 00:08:49,627 --> 00:08:54,187 Speaker 3: about and so hopefully we can. Yeah, hopefully I'll put 169 00:08:54,227 --> 00:08:55,667 Speaker 3: my pace for forward for our team. 170 00:08:55,947 --> 00:08:59,067 Speaker 2: You're certainly doing that. And last week you recommitted to 171 00:08:59,107 --> 00:09:01,787 Speaker 2: the Hurricanes and New Zealand Rugby through until the end 172 00:09:01,787 --> 00:09:04,187 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty seven. Like I'm sure you could have. 173 00:09:04,427 --> 00:09:07,147 Speaker 2: You could have earned a lot more money overseas. How 174 00:09:07,147 --> 00:09:09,427 Speaker 2: big was the lure of the of the black jersey 175 00:09:10,027 --> 00:09:13,547 Speaker 2: and your your love for this Hurricanes club and your 176 00:09:13,547 --> 00:09:16,827 Speaker 2: decision to stay. 177 00:09:17,707 --> 00:09:22,947 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was massive. I wouldn't say it was I 178 00:09:22,947 --> 00:09:24,667 Speaker 3: wouldn't say it was the whole piece of the luck. 179 00:09:25,187 --> 00:09:27,027 Speaker 3: It was the whole reason for me to stay. A 180 00:09:27,067 --> 00:09:33,547 Speaker 3: lot of the decision decision came around fulfillment leaving and 181 00:09:33,587 --> 00:09:35,907 Speaker 3: having a water kind of questions floating in the back 182 00:09:35,947 --> 00:09:40,307 Speaker 3: of my mind, feeling like I wasn't using my you know, 183 00:09:40,347 --> 00:09:45,427 Speaker 3: my best rugby years to their full extent. So yeah, 184 00:09:45,467 --> 00:09:47,147 Speaker 3: a lot, a lot of it actually was that there 185 00:09:47,227 --> 00:09:50,987 Speaker 3: were just just knowing that I had a little bit 186 00:09:50,987 --> 00:09:54,107 Speaker 3: more to gob or more to gurb and and things 187 00:09:54,347 --> 00:09:56,267 Speaker 3: I guess didn't pan out the way we wanted them to. 188 00:09:56,387 --> 00:09:59,347 Speaker 3: Then at least I know and within myself that I 189 00:09:59,347 --> 00:10:00,987 Speaker 3: gave him my order, and I can be at peace 190 00:10:01,227 --> 00:10:01,787 Speaker 3: that I sense. 191 00:10:03,187 --> 00:10:05,787 Speaker 2: All right, let's circle back to tonight to finish the Blues, 192 00:10:06,547 --> 00:10:09,427 Speaker 2: just the one winning their six games against you actually, 193 00:10:10,267 --> 00:10:13,147 Speaker 2: even given that how threatening an opponent, do you expect 194 00:10:13,147 --> 00:10:14,307 Speaker 2: them to be there in part tonight? 195 00:10:15,707 --> 00:10:18,747 Speaker 3: Oh? Massive least, there's no Yeah, there's no two ways 196 00:10:18,747 --> 00:10:21,947 Speaker 3: about it. They're having a you know, they'll be the 197 00:10:21,947 --> 00:10:24,507 Speaker 3: first to admit that they're having a rough season, but 198 00:10:24,547 --> 00:10:26,707 Speaker 3: that does not mean that on the night they can 199 00:10:27,147 --> 00:10:29,907 Speaker 3: they can't beat anyone. So we know that they're raigning 200 00:10:29,987 --> 00:10:31,627 Speaker 3: champs they got a lot of boys coming back from 201 00:10:31,667 --> 00:10:35,187 Speaker 3: injury this week and they're callingly side a lot of 202 00:10:35,787 --> 00:10:38,707 Speaker 3: a lot of experience in their group. So you know, 203 00:10:38,747 --> 00:10:40,347 Speaker 3: the challenge in front of us is one that we're 204 00:10:40,827 --> 00:10:44,547 Speaker 3: we're extremely aware of, one that we're really looking forward 205 00:10:44,547 --> 00:10:47,627 Speaker 3: to as well. And we know that last time down 206 00:10:47,667 --> 00:10:51,827 Speaker 3: and down in Wellington we probably didn't play to our 207 00:10:51,867 --> 00:10:55,947 Speaker 3: standards as well, So you know, extremely extremely excited to 208 00:10:55,987 --> 00:10:58,067 Speaker 3: be playing and we know that the Blues are going 209 00:10:58,147 --> 00:10:59,467 Speaker 3: to present a massive challenge for us. 210 00:10:59,467 --> 00:11:02,427 Speaker 2: Absolutely good on your thanks indeed for the chap made 211 00:11:02,427 --> 00:11:05,107 Speaker 2: all the best tonight. That's stupilicy coefy out of the Hurricanes, 212 00:11:05,427 --> 00:11:06,627 Speaker 2: Blues their opponent night. 213 00:11:07,187 --> 00:11:10,387 Speaker 1: For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 214 00:11:10,467 --> 00:11:13,787 Speaker 1: to News Talk Set B weekends from midday, or follow 215 00:11:13,787 --> 00:11:15,427 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio