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Speaker 1: Police have discovered a second campsite in the bush where

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Speaker 1: Tom Phillips and his kids are thought to have been

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Speaker 1: hiding most recently. This camp site is two hundred meters

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Speaker 1: away from the one that was discovered yesterday. Detective Senior

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Andrew Saunders says they will use the gear at

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Speaker 1: that site to track down whoever it was who was

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Speaker 1: helping Phillips.

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Speaker 2: Given what's occurred in terms of the attempted murder of

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Speaker 2: a police officer, we think it's absolutely important that we

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Speaker 2: continued to look for those people that have been supporting

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Speaker 2: Tom Phillips and help them.

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Speaker 1: Accountab Lanspadet is a former police negotiator and investigator and

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Speaker 1: with us, Hey Lance Hiver, So are they basically going

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Speaker 1: to look at the gear that's at the campsite and

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Speaker 1: then track the origins in order to try and find

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Speaker 1: these people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So everything that such both locations now is evidence. Every

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Speaker 3: piece of little item with no matter what it is,

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Speaker 3: and it gets photographed and insit you measured, they might

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Speaker 3: be doing some mepping with three D maping cameras and

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Speaker 3: then it's removed and analyzed. It's it's fingerprinted. I say, yeah,

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Speaker 3: this fingerprinted it's photographed. It's everything that they can do

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Speaker 3: to find out, DNA testing on every item, to track

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Speaker 3: down who may have been involved.

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Speaker 1: They say that it's quite obvious to them that there

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Speaker 1: was recent help. Now how would they know that? Would

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Speaker 1: it potentially be things like perishable food there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there there'll be something there that that if they're

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Speaker 3: coming out and saying it, which is a bit unusual,

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Speaker 3: I think, because police normally keep this stuff close to

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Speaker 3: their chest. And it might be because you know, Tom's

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Speaker 3: dead and can't face consequences, but there'll still be other

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Speaker 3: people to face consequences.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 3: There'll be something obvious for them to come out and

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Speaker 3: say that.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that you noticed from the photographs?

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Speaker 3: Well, my first thought looking at that one photograph that

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Speaker 3: everybody else has seen, is it looks like they've been

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Speaker 3: there for a little while. How had you know? We'll

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Speaker 3: look at months, you know, two, three, four, five months,

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Speaker 3: So that's what it looks like to me. They've been

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Speaker 3: there for a while. Just the way that the bush

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Speaker 3: of grunt has grown over the three, the wheels, the

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Speaker 3: few little things that I thought, well, that looks looks

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Speaker 3: quite substantial.

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Speaker 1: Why would you have a camp? I mean This is

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Speaker 1: a puzzling thing. Why would you have one camp, like

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Speaker 1: a little camp, within two hundred meters of a bigger camp.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's yeah, to escape too.

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Speaker 1: Ah, Okay, that's far enough.

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Speaker 3: No, but indeed's bush It probably is. But it can

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Speaker 3: also you know, it could be a place to what

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Speaker 3: they called a place of sanctuary. Somebody does come, they

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Speaker 3: just scatter and they all meet back and they're having

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Speaker 3: too that That would be my thoughts on that. But

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Speaker 3: that bearing in mind they young kids, and so you

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Speaker 3: can't have it too far away from other because they've

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Speaker 3: got to be able to find it. That would be

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Speaker 3: my thought on that.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible that the I mean, as far as

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Speaker 1: we understand, the family have not yet been able to

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Speaker 1: see the children. This is the grandparents and the mother

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Speaker 1: and so on. Is it possible that they are being

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Speaker 1: kept away from the children at the moment because they

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Speaker 1: themselves suspects in terms of.

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Speaker 3: Help Well everyone, every yeah, good point here. That's sorry

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Speaker 3: to interrupt you. Yeah, it's everyone to suspect. Everyone that's

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Speaker 3: been in the town, everyone that's been near them, all associates.

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Speaker 3: So they don't call them suspects. They call them persons

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Speaker 3: of interest. And so you you do have to treat everybody.

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Speaker 3: You can't take it on face, are you? You know

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Speaker 3: I've spoken with both parents. My gut feeling if you

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Speaker 3: can go with a gut, which is which you don't

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Speaker 3: go with the rule of some and policing, never go

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Speaker 3: with your gut that they aren't involved. And it was

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Speaker 3: just something that the father said and it was confidential

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Speaker 3: that made me believe that he's not involved in any way.

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Speaker 3: But in saying that we've all been doing before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Hey, Lance, really appreciate your expertise. Thanks

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Speaker 1: Lance for that former police negotiator and investigator. I'll run

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Speaker 1: you through what you can see in the photographs in

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