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Speaker 1: Get inside the game from every angle. It's Rugby Direct

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Speaker 2: your aches and pains from sports and work back again

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Speaker 2: to wrap a big weekend of rugby or get to

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Speaker 2: the black Ferns a bit later on in the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Sam Derry also going to join us blues Lot currently

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Speaker 2: on the sidelines with injury to join the pod as well.

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Speaker 2: But first and foremost, let's rattle through the weekend that

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Speaker 2: was in Super Ruggy Pacific Round fourteen. And I think

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Speaker 2: we have to start with Mawanda Pacifica and the Blues

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Speaker 2: on Saturday Nightly and twenty seven twenty one. I mean,

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Speaker 2: everyone's been talking about it, but this was the Ardie

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Speaker 2: Sava game and it's hard to remember a more influential

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Speaker 2: one man performance. And I don't I mean that in

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Speaker 2: a derogatory way to the rest of the Muanna players

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Speaker 2: because they certainly played their part of me claren toin

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Speaker 2: wifelosk would three try for goodness sake. But when people

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Speaker 2: think about this game in six months twelve months time,

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Speaker 2: it'll be remembered as the game where basically Artie won

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Speaker 2: the game for Whita Pacifica. He did.

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Speaker 3: And there is nothing on a rugby field that Artie

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Speaker 3: Severe can't do. At the moment. He's added the chip

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Speaker 3: and chase that the kicking game to his arsenal. He carries,

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Speaker 3: he gets turnovers, he's presence at the line outs, and

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Speaker 3: he wrapped up with Super Rugby MVP with two weeks

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Speaker 3: for that. And you extrapolate that performance out and it

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Speaker 3: is a DiMAGE how much one man can lift the team.

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Speaker 3: Arti has been the transformative, inspirational figure that Mauana needed

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Speaker 3: and he has surpassed everyone's expectations beyond that. Now, Mina

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Speaker 3: do I looked at the coaching team at the start

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Speaker 3: a land of Soorkai slelm up A Suwer and they've

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Speaker 3: already got Tom Convent, Tryntona Umuger and Stephen Jones. So

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Speaker 3: it is a very balanced and impressive coaching team. But

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Speaker 3: Artie has undoubtedly set standards for others to follow, and

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Speaker 3: in terms of that goes beyond what happens on the field.

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Speaker 3: It's in terms of what it takes to be a

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Speaker 3: professional athlete. And then you see what he does on

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Speaker 3: the field, and how could you not follow a guy

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Speaker 3: like that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean he had the influence. All his

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Speaker 2: fingerprints are right across that game, right through, you know,

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Speaker 2: winning the match ceiling penalty at the end, but the

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Speaker 2: spell that probably should have been given. You know, it

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Speaker 2: was a follow me sort of performance, and that was

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Speaker 2: what we've seen them from them when he's been on

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Speaker 2: haven't beaten everyone that they need to and haven't obviously

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Speaker 2: made a playoffs, but beating the Blues coming into Auckland,

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Speaker 2: they weren't given the warmest to welcomes from the Blues.

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Speaker 2: There's been social media banter and inverted commas between some

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Speaker 2: it felt like that was a statement that they wanted

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Speaker 3: It's great for rugby and great for Rugby and Auckland

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Speaker 3: it would be that way earlier. They but the Blues

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Speaker 3: Chiefs again. It is a bloody tough run home for them.

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Speaker 3: They've got the Hurricanes and the Chiefs. But for me,

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Speaker 3: And bully the Crusaders really and you're right. How good's

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Speaker 3: the social media banter that Wyana has embraced now. I

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Speaker 3: we just keep picking the right time. Don't care whose

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Speaker 3: We just keep picking the right time. Don't care whose

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Speaker 2: I mean that's great, that's great for rugby, that's what

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Speaker 2: bit of feeling between these two teams, and we saw

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Speaker 2: I think early on Angus Gardner had to I'm not

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Speaker 2: was some feeling in there and I thought Mowana very

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Speaker 2: effectively got under the blue skin. Didn't show any stigal

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Speaker 2: But second spell they locked in and they really just

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Speaker 2: dominated that for second forty minutes. You know, it was

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Speaker 2: fourteen eleven at halftime in favor of the Blues. Well

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Speaker 2: after halftime there was only really one team in it.

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Speaker 2: I know Blues got to within a try of stealing

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Speaker 2: a rugby to wear the Blues they continue to confound

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Speaker 2: this season and we might get sam Dera to give

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Speaker 2: fourteen eleven up at halftime, you know, yes, the tries

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Speaker 2: of I guess the Blues performance of a zero in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Blues are a bit of an enigma, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: Because they suggested that they'd turned a wee bit of

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Speaker 3: it was the second time this year they've string back

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Speaker 3: they just they're so one dimensional. Yeah, they really are,

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Speaker 3: and it's predictable and teams know what's coming, and if

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Speaker 3: one off runners and mine I didn't do that throughout

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Speaker 2: Didn't use Caleb Clark enough, didn't use aj Lamb enough,

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Speaker 2: just felt a very one dimensional on attack. I don't

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Speaker 2: on the Park. It felt like that was lacking. Rico

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Speaker 2: Yuani very very quiet again and couldn't have an influence

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Speaker 2: Patrick tweop a lot of upfront. Always gives you what

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Speaker 2: Pupalai turned up. The obviously had injuries with Chat ruled

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Speaker 2: horrible injury. But they're just not playing like the team

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Speaker 2: times and again just looked really clunky on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they are playing like the team they were

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Speaker 3: last year. They're just not as effective enough, and they

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Speaker 3: what worked one year does not the next. And if

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Speaker 3: it's really that simple with the Blues. They're not being

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Speaker 3: whether it's the Set Peace look or converting their chances

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Speaker 3: they've just there's not enough. They're not posing enough threats.

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Speaker 3: Teams know exactly what's coming and the devising plans to.

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Speaker 2: Stop it they are. Let's go back to Friday night,

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Speaker 2: the Crusaders beating the Warritars forty eight thirty three in Sydney. Look,

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Speaker 2: Crusaders never felt in danger of losing this one. They

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Speaker 2: And that's the question. I guess they've conceded a lot

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Speaker 2: I thought good at fullback rivers Rayhanna looked a lot

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of questions around about why Mecha Springer

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Speaker 3: wasn't involved in this team thinking did he score four

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Speaker 3: five five tries in a match and then got dropped

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Speaker 3: the previous week. I would like to see him in

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Speaker 3: the mixt I think he's a really dangerous proposition. But

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Speaker 3: Johnny McNichol was really good from fullback. Yes, hard to

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Speaker 3: know quite what to take out of this game. The Crusaders,

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Speaker 3: like you say, we're very good, dominant in the first

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Speaker 3: half and when you build a lead like that you

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Speaker 3: extent by the Crusaders lineout was a bit wobbly, as

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Speaker 3: you mentioned. They can see a lot of points and

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Speaker 3: those areas where you would have concerns leading into the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: But look, Sydney has not been a happy hunting ground

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Speaker 3: for them. The Waratars have been much better at home

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Speaker 3: this year. The failure to get a bonus point could

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Speaker 3: potentially cost them top spot. That will hurt, That will frustrate,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, a case of job done. Really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, They've got bigger challenges on the horizon to close

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Speaker 2: out their season, Honders and the brum Beads in the

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Speaker 2: final round. So that's a lot to work through in

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Speaker 2: terms of the Crusaders, and you know, whether they get

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Speaker 2: into those top two spots for the playoffs. Now in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, Derby Friday Night Hurricanes Thissus the Highlanders can

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Speaker 2: roy Guard wins it after the sireen for the home

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Speaker 2: team and for me, this is probably the Highinder's best

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Speaker 2: performance since they beat the Blues way back in round two,

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Speaker 2: round three, whenever it was, they come out on the

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Speaker 2: losing side. But this is what we've wanted to see

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Speaker 2: from the hind Is this kind of what we saw

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Speaker 2: in the opening few weeks when Tabatavanawa has been talking

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Speaker 2: about as an All Blacks boulter and various other things.

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Speaker 2: The Black Ferns in Canada. Twenty seven piece scoring after

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Speaker 2: Obviously more changes on the way for next year, and

429
00:22:22,173 --> 00:22:24,333
Speaker 2: you know, there's all sorts of questions about where it

430
00:22:24,373 --> 00:22:27,173
Speaker 2: sits in the New Zealand program as well. You got

431
00:22:27,293 --> 00:22:29,813
Speaker 2: what two hundred odd Super Rugby players in the six

432
00:22:29,973 --> 00:22:32,693
Speaker 2: franchises based in New Zealand. Obviously some of those are

433
00:22:32,733 --> 00:22:35,053
Speaker 2: Fijian and someone in players from one to PACIFICA but

434
00:22:35,613 --> 00:22:41,653
Speaker 2: unless you're real seven specialists you are kind of already

435
00:22:41,693 --> 00:22:44,493
Speaker 2: dealing with. And I don't mean it's disrespectfully, but players

436
00:22:44,533 --> 00:22:46,813
Speaker 2: below the top two hundred in New Zealand.

437
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Speaker 3: All, let's break it down further. When was the last

438
00:22:50,293 --> 00:22:52,693
Speaker 3: time you actually sat down outside and of the Olympics

439
00:22:53,053 --> 00:22:59,133
Speaker 3: and watched the men's sevens that I honestly there might

440
00:22:59,173 --> 00:23:01,413
Speaker 3: have been one or two games, but very rarely because

441
00:23:01,453 --> 00:23:03,773
Speaker 3: of time zones. New Zealand doesn't have a tournament anymore.

442
00:23:04,213 --> 00:23:05,813
Speaker 3: It is really losing relevance.

443
00:23:06,373 --> 00:23:09,493
Speaker 2: Look, yeah, and it's hard because it's been always been

444
00:23:09,533 --> 00:23:11,573
Speaker 2: this globe trotting event, but it was always centered around

445
00:23:11,693 --> 00:23:14,133
Speaker 2: you know, we'll see them in Wellington. You know, you

446
00:23:14,213 --> 00:23:16,253
Speaker 2: might catch some of the Hong Kong sevens and all

447
00:23:16,293 --> 00:23:18,573
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. But it just feels like World

448
00:23:18,613 --> 00:23:20,413
Speaker 2: RABIY doesn't know what to do with it, and it

449
00:23:20,493 --> 00:23:22,653
Speaker 2: wants to be at the Olympics. It wants that spot there.

450
00:23:23,733 --> 00:23:28,093
Speaker 2: I just wonder whether maybe you know, not cut your

451
00:23:28,093 --> 00:23:31,133
Speaker 2: losses necessarily, but you're outside of a seven, outside of

452
00:23:31,213 --> 00:23:34,773
Speaker 2: a Olympics, you don't have it. It's not the Komwealth

453
00:23:34,853 --> 00:23:36,813
Speaker 2: Games anymore for it for twenty twenty six. So that's

454
00:23:36,813 --> 00:23:40,533
Speaker 2: another event gone. There's no World Cup anymore. So I

455
00:23:40,573 --> 00:23:41,893
Speaker 2: feels like World Rabih does not what to do with it.

456
00:23:41,893 --> 00:23:44,173
Speaker 2: It feels like, yeah, there's a as you said that

457
00:23:44,293 --> 00:23:47,813
Speaker 2: the top real state of flux around that topic. Three

458
00:23:47,973 --> 00:23:50,013
Speaker 2: will you draw a line through the Blues?

459
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Speaker 3: Well, a few weeks ago I said they'll make the playoffs,

460
00:23:53,693 --> 00:23:54,973
Speaker 3: but they won't won the title, and.

461
00:23:56,733 --> 00:23:59,813
Speaker 2: I will stick with that. Who do they coming for

462
00:23:59,933 --> 00:24:01,973
Speaker 2: in the playoffs? Then they've got one game to go,

463
00:24:02,173 --> 00:24:04,773
Speaker 2: more of two games and it gets a game in hand,

464
00:24:04,933 --> 00:24:08,173
Speaker 2: two games to go to the Blues one. Hurricanes have

465
00:24:08,613 --> 00:24:11,133
Speaker 2: two games to go. The Reds have two games to go. There,

466
00:24:12,533 --> 00:24:15,053
Speaker 2: you know they're on the outside looking at they are.

467
00:24:15,933 --> 00:24:18,293
Speaker 3: Is a very difficult run home for Moana, and I

468
00:24:18,493 --> 00:24:22,613
Speaker 3: think they will struggle to consistently back up those performances.

469
00:24:22,693 --> 00:24:26,573
Speaker 3: They've got the Chiefs and the Hurricanes. I can't see

470
00:24:26,573 --> 00:24:29,573
Speaker 3: them beating the Chiefs. They could tip up the Hurricanes.

471
00:24:29,613 --> 00:24:32,133
Speaker 3: So that's the make up great game for them. So

472
00:24:32,333 --> 00:24:35,093
Speaker 3: I will say they will sneak in at Mowana's expense.

473
00:24:37,053 --> 00:24:39,573
Speaker 2: I think you're probably right. I don't know. I mean,

474
00:24:39,653 --> 00:24:42,493
Speaker 2: I don't think they can win it, but I think

475
00:24:42,533 --> 00:24:44,453
Speaker 2: they can make the playoffs. They can sneak in because

476
00:24:45,173 --> 00:24:47,453
Speaker 2: as I said before, you know to reads Hurricanes, Moana,

477
00:24:47,613 --> 00:24:49,413
Speaker 2: they've all got to play each other sort of over

478
00:24:49,413 --> 00:24:51,973
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks. Cannibalization, Yeah, but a cannibalization

479
00:24:52,133 --> 00:24:57,853
Speaker 2: going on there. Top number four Loyal Listen to Floyd

480
00:24:57,933 --> 00:24:59,773
Speaker 2: also pitched this as well. It was on the sheep

481
00:25:00,293 --> 00:25:02,253
Speaker 2: or ready to discuss. It's an interesting question. It's been

482
00:25:02,293 --> 00:25:03,813
Speaker 2: talked about a lot in the last forty eight hours

483
00:25:03,853 --> 00:25:06,373
Speaker 2: and in fact through the season. Ardie sav and the

484
00:25:06,413 --> 00:25:08,853
Speaker 2: All Blacks Captaincy, this question will not go way around

485
00:25:08,853 --> 00:25:12,093
Speaker 2: whether he is the better option to lead the All Blacks.

486
00:25:12,933 --> 00:25:14,973
Speaker 2: Where do you sit on this? We've seen what his

487
00:25:15,093 --> 00:25:17,013
Speaker 2: leadership has done for more onea Pacific. Could he do

488
00:25:17,093 --> 00:25:18,013
Speaker 2: the same for the All Blacks?

489
00:25:18,693 --> 00:25:22,773
Speaker 3: Yes, he could, and I think it is increasingly looking

490
00:25:23,013 --> 00:25:27,813
Speaker 3: like a misstep. And I can totally understand it from

491
00:25:28,213 --> 00:25:31,533
Speaker 3: Raiser's perspective. He had the relationship with Scott Barrett, and

492
00:25:32,333 --> 00:25:36,133
Speaker 3: we saw that with Ian Foster and Samkin that those

493
00:25:36,253 --> 00:25:41,813
Speaker 3: relationships are intrinsic to being on the same page getting

494
00:25:41,813 --> 00:25:45,973
Speaker 3: your messaging rights. But I think Scott Barrett's and he'd

495
00:25:46,013 --> 00:25:48,613
Speaker 3: probably say this himself was a reluctant All Blacks captain

496
00:25:48,693 --> 00:25:51,653
Speaker 3: is still very much growing into that role where Ardi

497
00:25:52,653 --> 00:25:57,413
Speaker 3: is ready now. And so I think we've seen how

498
00:25:57,453 --> 00:26:01,813
Speaker 3: inspirational he's been and the makeup of the All Blacks.

499
00:26:01,853 --> 00:26:06,253
Speaker 3: There's a number of Pacific Polynesian athletes in that team,

500
00:26:06,333 --> 00:26:11,013
Speaker 3: and I think Artie spom like no one else can.

501
00:26:11,333 --> 00:26:15,373
Speaker 3: So I think he should be the All Blacks captain.

502
00:26:15,453 --> 00:26:18,813
Speaker 2: He can lead him anyways. And it's not a knock

503
00:26:18,853 --> 00:26:19,573
Speaker 2: on Scott Barrett.

504
00:26:19,613 --> 00:26:21,853
Speaker 3: I just I feel like Artie would be a better

505
00:26:21,893 --> 00:26:25,653
Speaker 3: All Blacks captain and that would also allow Scott Barrett

506
00:26:25,813 --> 00:26:28,533
Speaker 3: to drop the shoulders Scott.

507
00:26:28,813 --> 00:26:30,733
Speaker 2: The depressions now on Scott Barrett. Isn't that because and

508
00:26:31,213 --> 00:26:33,413
Speaker 2: you know, not saying that Scott Robinson's going to make

509
00:26:33,493 --> 00:26:35,893
Speaker 2: the call and whatever, but he won't. He won't. But

510
00:26:36,693 --> 00:26:40,053
Speaker 2: Artie Savy has shown what he can do. Scott Barrett

511
00:26:40,093 --> 00:26:44,133
Speaker 2: hasn't played that well this year, struggle with injuries last

512
00:26:44,213 --> 00:26:46,853
Speaker 2: year and obviously the first season being All Blacks captain.

513
00:26:47,773 --> 00:26:50,013
Speaker 2: Can he deliver? Can he do both? I suppose it's

514
00:26:50,013 --> 00:26:51,893
Speaker 2: the question can he play to a world class standard

515
00:26:51,933 --> 00:26:54,453
Speaker 2: and can he lead the team. We've seen artists to

516
00:26:54,453 --> 00:26:56,493
Speaker 2: be a player to world class standard for more wider

517
00:26:56,533 --> 00:27:01,653
Speaker 2: pacifica and lead them exemplary. Whether that can translate to

518
00:27:01,693 --> 00:27:03,613
Speaker 2: Super Rugby level. A lot of the things he did

519
00:27:03,773 --> 00:27:06,893
Speaker 2: on Saturday night may not translate to Test level. He's

520
00:27:06,893 --> 00:27:09,813
Speaker 2: probably not going to do the outrageous chip and chase

521
00:27:10,133 --> 00:27:12,973
Speaker 2: necessarily he may do at Test level. I don't know,

522
00:27:13,053 --> 00:27:14,533
Speaker 2: but he probably put that in his pocket a little

523
00:27:14,533 --> 00:27:18,453
Speaker 2: bit Addie Sevia, But in some of those tuneovers, maybe

524
00:27:18,453 --> 00:27:20,333
Speaker 2: he doesn't get those at Test level when they're read

525
00:27:20,333 --> 00:27:22,813
Speaker 2: a little bit differently. But I think the onus now

526
00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:25,453
Speaker 2: is on Scott Barrett to go prove that you're a

527
00:27:25,493 --> 00:27:27,493
Speaker 2: world class player as well as world class captain.

528
00:27:27,933 --> 00:27:30,333
Speaker 3: There's different styles of leadership. Scott Barrett doesn't need to

529
00:27:30,373 --> 00:27:32,493
Speaker 3: be Artie Severe. Artie Severe is not going to be

530
00:27:32,573 --> 00:27:35,253
Speaker 3: Scott Barrett. So Artie Severe is the follow me type

531
00:27:35,293 --> 00:27:39,493
Speaker 3: skipper Scott Barrett as his own man, and the same

532
00:27:39,813 --> 00:27:45,133
Speaker 3: for Richie mccare and they're like some captaincy leadership styles

533
00:27:45,333 --> 00:27:51,013
Speaker 3: are vocal, some are performance based, and everyone's different. You

534
00:27:51,093 --> 00:27:54,213
Speaker 3: need to find what works for you. And Test rugby

535
00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:56,813
Speaker 3: is very different to Super and it's not it's also

536
00:27:56,893 --> 00:28:00,133
Speaker 3: not just on one guy, but his vice captain on

537
00:28:00,333 --> 00:28:03,573
Speaker 3: the on the on the evidence of the past eighteen months,

538
00:28:03,933 --> 00:28:08,093
Speaker 3: you would say Artie Severe should be the All Blacks captain.

539
00:28:08,413 --> 00:28:11,493
Speaker 2: Let's get into tipping now. We both picked four correctly.

540
00:28:11,613 --> 00:28:13,613
Speaker 2: I picked Mowana to beat the Blues though, and you

541
00:28:13,653 --> 00:28:16,253
Speaker 2: picked the Brumbies to beat the Reds and win the

542
00:28:16,293 --> 00:28:18,533
Speaker 2: opposite right around there. So the important news is that

543
00:28:18,573 --> 00:28:21,493
Speaker 2: I still have an eight point lead. Crusaders. Highland is

544
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:26,213
Speaker 2: Friday nights at Orange Theory Apollo Projects am I Stadium

545
00:28:26,213 --> 00:28:26,893
Speaker 2: in christ Church.

546
00:28:27,333 --> 00:28:29,493
Speaker 3: Up the Landlers, but I'll tip the Thrusaders.

547
00:28:29,733 --> 00:28:33,653
Speaker 2: Crusaders. Job done. Read's Hurricanes. We blip a blip on

548
00:28:33,733 --> 00:28:37,653
Speaker 2: the old tracks for the hurricane the Cane train last week,

549
00:28:38,493 --> 00:28:40,493
Speaker 2: there's Lee's kiss take full advantage.

550
00:28:41,093 --> 00:28:43,053
Speaker 3: The Canes are pretty banged up, aren't they back. I

551
00:28:43,133 --> 00:28:47,253
Speaker 3: can't not tip them. We could, I'm not going to.

552
00:28:47,413 --> 00:28:52,133
Speaker 3: So there you go checks Mowana Pacifica and they do

553
00:28:52,173 --> 00:28:56,213
Speaker 3: it two weeks in a row. Wana they can, but

554
00:28:56,573 --> 00:28:59,173
Speaker 3: I will not tip them to do so. I am

555
00:28:59,213 --> 00:29:02,773
Speaker 3: going to tip them to do so. Forced warratas this

556
00:29:02,933 --> 00:29:04,133
Speaker 3: is the game you're almost looking forward to.

557
00:29:04,173 --> 00:29:04,413
Speaker 4: I know.

558
00:29:06,133 --> 00:29:07,093
Speaker 2: Perth on Saturday night.

559
00:29:07,253 --> 00:29:09,613
Speaker 3: Liam Yes will be sitting up for this one with

560
00:29:09,853 --> 00:29:14,813
Speaker 3: the popcorn and Lolly's very tough game to Tip, I

561
00:29:14,973 --> 00:29:16,653
Speaker 3: will go the tars.

562
00:29:16,733 --> 00:29:19,653
Speaker 2: I'm going to get the fourth time team to win

563
00:29:19,733 --> 00:29:22,733
Speaker 2: that one MVP Medal voting time now the official Super

564
00:29:22,813 --> 00:29:25,773
Speaker 2: Rugby MVP Medal has been decided. But this is the

565
00:29:25,853 --> 00:29:29,653
Speaker 2: real the real deal is Yeah. Yeah, Addie Savia already

566
00:29:29,693 --> 00:29:32,173
Speaker 2: had a six point buffer over Bowden, Barrett nineteen plays

567
00:29:32,213 --> 00:29:36,293
Speaker 2: thirteen Well Jordan and Quincapiere thirty, Belond nine, Rick and Artie.

568
00:29:36,293 --> 00:29:39,373
Speaker 2: Save gets any more points this week? A couple? Yeah, okay,

569
00:29:39,573 --> 00:29:41,133
Speaker 2: give us ones then then.

570
00:29:41,373 --> 00:29:43,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Ardie is going to get the three, get

571
00:29:43,493 --> 00:29:49,373
Speaker 3: the chocolates. Impossible. Isn't that to overlook such a herculean performance.

572
00:29:50,213 --> 00:29:51,773
Speaker 3: I'm going to give two to cam Rugard. I think

573
00:29:51,773 --> 00:29:53,613
Speaker 3: it's the first time that she's played eighty minutes. Is

574
00:29:53,653 --> 00:29:57,653
Speaker 3: a bit of anks among Hurricanes fans every time he

575
00:29:57,853 --> 00:30:01,813
Speaker 3: was replaced and so drop off Yeah, big time. And

576
00:30:02,453 --> 00:30:04,813
Speaker 3: the fact he scored the match winning try speaks to

577
00:30:04,853 --> 00:30:07,293
Speaker 3: his ability to go that long. So too to Rugad

578
00:30:07,373 --> 00:30:10,533
Speaker 3: and one to tough Aha. I thought he was a

579
00:30:10,813 --> 00:30:14,373
Speaker 3: center of vastly improved Harland's performance a couple of big

580
00:30:14,893 --> 00:30:18,133
Speaker 3: turnover turnovers on his own line and back to the

581
00:30:18,213 --> 00:30:20,093
Speaker 3: midfield where he it's close to the action.

582
00:30:20,453 --> 00:30:21,933
Speaker 2: It was pointed out to me last week that actually

583
00:30:21,933 --> 00:30:24,013
Speaker 2: forgot to give my three two webs in the podcast,

584
00:30:24,133 --> 00:30:26,333
Speaker 2: so I will make sure I do this week. Artie

585
00:30:26,373 --> 00:30:28,293
Speaker 2: gets my three, cam Roiger gets my two as well,

586
00:30:28,533 --> 00:30:31,053
Speaker 2: and Kira in time Woifelour gets my one point. So

587
00:30:31,773 --> 00:30:36,813
Speaker 2: Artie's lead now out to about twelve points, not insurmountable

588
00:30:37,213 --> 00:30:39,373
Speaker 2: necessarily because we do go through the playoffs as well,

589
00:30:40,333 --> 00:30:44,013
Speaker 2: but he's probably odds on favorite to win the MVP

590
00:30:44,173 --> 00:30:46,173
Speaker 2: Medal voting. Just one thing I did want to touch

591
00:30:46,213 --> 00:30:48,093
Speaker 2: on before we go to Sam Darrow, who's standing by

592
00:30:48,213 --> 00:30:52,213
Speaker 2: to jump in the studio. The fascical scenes on Saturday

593
00:30:52,293 --> 00:30:57,293
Speaker 2: night around the TMO decision that they went back three

594
00:30:57,413 --> 00:31:01,853
Speaker 2: phases and everyone had this say. Angus Gardner, the touch

595
00:31:02,013 --> 00:31:05,053
Speaker 2: judge who his name escapes me and Ben O'Keeffe all

596
00:31:05,173 --> 00:31:08,173
Speaker 2: had this say as to deciding whether they could rule

597
00:31:08,213 --> 00:31:10,653
Speaker 2: it out, whether it was in protocol or not. This

598
00:31:10,853 --> 00:31:13,813
Speaker 2: is further example of just too many rules, too much,

599
00:31:14,733 --> 00:31:18,093
Speaker 2: too many things in the rule book complicating rugby. I

600
00:31:18,173 --> 00:31:19,853
Speaker 2: think they made the right call because he was out.

601
00:31:20,093 --> 00:31:22,093
Speaker 2: Artists have obviously played his case and said it's outside

602
00:31:22,133 --> 00:31:26,613
Speaker 2: the phases, and you know it probably is correct. But

603
00:31:27,413 --> 00:31:29,653
Speaker 2: they talked about five or six minutes and I still

604
00:31:29,973 --> 00:31:32,093
Speaker 2: the fan didn't not at the end whether they made

605
00:31:32,133 --> 00:31:34,413
Speaker 2: the right call in terms of the law book or

606
00:31:34,453 --> 00:31:34,893
Speaker 2: the wrong one.

607
00:31:35,693 --> 00:31:39,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think common sense probably prevailed. But the whole process,

608
00:31:39,173 --> 00:31:45,653
Speaker 3: the confusion speaks to rugby's convolutedness, doesn't it. And it

609
00:31:45,853 --> 00:31:48,013
Speaker 3: just needs to have some hard and fast rules. Either

610
00:31:48,093 --> 00:31:53,773
Speaker 3: you want their intrusion or you don't. But there was

611
00:31:53,813 --> 00:31:56,813
Speaker 3: another example of this recently where they went so far back.

612
00:31:57,813 --> 00:32:00,373
Speaker 3: Who was that was that the Crusaders game? Yeah, I

613
00:32:00,453 --> 00:32:04,133
Speaker 3: can't remember, but it was the Blues against the Reds

614
00:32:05,293 --> 00:32:08,893
Speaker 3: in Brisbane and they went back twenty odd phases in

615
00:32:09,013 --> 00:32:13,533
Speaker 3: that regard. And it's unnecessary. You render so much of

616
00:32:13,613 --> 00:32:18,013
Speaker 3: the action irrelevance. So just make it clearer, because, like

617
00:32:18,093 --> 00:32:19,733
Speaker 3: you say, the viewer is the one that's sitting there

618
00:32:21,013 --> 00:32:24,613
Speaker 3: losing time and baffled by the end of it about

619
00:32:24,653 --> 00:32:27,333
Speaker 3: what's actually happening. If the refreeze don't know, how's the family.

620
00:32:27,573 --> 00:32:30,413
Speaker 2: And the temo it's this overarching thing that are supposed

621
00:32:30,413 --> 00:32:34,333
Speaker 2: to know and be correct on the rules, and yes,

622
00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:39,773
Speaker 2: adding another complicated layer. So look, sort it out, sort

623
00:32:39,813 --> 00:32:41,653
Speaker 2: it out. And as I said, I've said number of

624
00:32:41,693 --> 00:32:45,813
Speaker 2: times in the program, been the team right, Sam Dearry

625
00:32:45,973 --> 00:32:48,413
Speaker 2: going to join us on Rugby Direct blues Loot currently

626
00:32:48,493 --> 00:32:51,093
Speaker 2: endured with a shoulder injury. Let's go to our chat

627
00:32:51,133 --> 00:32:53,853
Speaker 2: with Sam Derek. Sam Darry, welcome to Rugby Direct.

628
00:32:53,653 --> 00:32:55,853
Speaker 4: Thanks for coming in, thanks for having me.

629
00:32:56,093 --> 00:32:59,653
Speaker 2: Well, it's been obviously a frustrating season for you to date.

630
00:33:00,413 --> 00:33:02,773
Speaker 2: I guess first and foremost, how's the injury progressing and

631
00:33:02,813 --> 00:33:04,653
Speaker 2: when can we might maybe see you back on the park.

632
00:33:04,973 --> 00:33:08,893
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that definitely has been frustrating, come to terms

633
00:33:08,893 --> 00:33:11,293
Speaker 5: of it all now. But Andrew's progressing well. I had

634
00:33:11,573 --> 00:33:15,253
Speaker 5: had a specialist appointment a week ago actually and gave

635
00:33:15,293 --> 00:33:18,093
Speaker 5: me the all clear to start lifting weights kind of

636
00:33:18,133 --> 00:33:20,933
Speaker 5: bench press above head press and all that kind of things.

637
00:33:21,253 --> 00:33:23,253
Speaker 5: Progressing too, a few skills and then kind of mapped

638
00:33:23,293 --> 00:33:27,293
Speaker 5: out a little bit more what the next kind of

639
00:33:27,333 --> 00:33:30,293
Speaker 5: two months look like. So yeah, still about two two

640
00:33:30,333 --> 00:33:33,493
Speaker 5: and a half months roughly away from playing, so targeting

641
00:33:33,613 --> 00:33:37,733
Speaker 5: the final NPC preseason game for Kennery and then hopefully

642
00:33:37,773 --> 00:33:40,773
Speaker 5: be available for round one. I think we've got Wellington,

643
00:33:40,893 --> 00:33:44,293
Speaker 5: so yeah, it's it's quite exciting having that kind of

644
00:33:44,333 --> 00:33:46,093
Speaker 5: set date and having something to work towards, you know,

645
00:33:46,133 --> 00:33:49,773
Speaker 5: whereas the first few months can be a bit difficult

646
00:33:49,773 --> 00:33:52,613
Speaker 5: where you kind of feel like you're working. You're obviously

647
00:33:52,653 --> 00:33:54,893
Speaker 5: working towards something, but it's so far in the distance,

648
00:33:54,973 --> 00:33:57,853
Speaker 5: you know, So having that end date in the near

649
00:33:57,893 --> 00:33:58,693
Speaker 5: future is exciting.

650
00:33:58,773 --> 00:34:01,653
Speaker 2: Has it been a frustrating year or did you manage

651
00:34:01,693 --> 00:34:04,293
Speaker 2: to say get over it quickly? We're kind of rehabit,

652
00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:04,973
Speaker 2: are you No?

653
00:34:05,093 --> 00:34:07,933
Speaker 4: I think that's I think you did right. Obviously, very

654
00:34:07,973 --> 00:34:09,133
Speaker 4: very straining. At first.

655
00:34:10,893 --> 00:34:12,213
Speaker 5: It took a week bit to come to terms with

656
00:34:12,333 --> 00:34:14,933
Speaker 5: I think, you know, it kind of didn't really seem real.

657
00:34:15,773 --> 00:34:18,893
Speaker 5: Kind of happened very quickly, and then was seeing surgeons

658
00:34:18,973 --> 00:34:20,933
Speaker 5: getting different opinions, and then about a week later I

659
00:34:21,013 --> 00:34:23,653
Speaker 5: was under the knife, and even then it was kind

660
00:34:23,693 --> 00:34:25,373
Speaker 5: of very surreal. And I don't think it was until

661
00:34:25,533 --> 00:34:27,573
Speaker 5: the first our first home game up here.

662
00:34:29,053 --> 00:34:30,573
Speaker 4: Was out. The game was in the sheds.

663
00:34:31,533 --> 00:34:33,613
Speaker 5: You know, you smell the deep peat, you get all

664
00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:35,093
Speaker 5: those kind of feels, and then all of a sudden

665
00:34:35,093 --> 00:34:37,173
Speaker 5: you don't get to go on the field. So that

666
00:34:37,333 --> 00:34:39,253
Speaker 5: was when it kind of hit home that this was

667
00:34:39,333 --> 00:34:41,413
Speaker 5: going to be the reality for the next six months.

668
00:34:41,453 --> 00:34:44,373
Speaker 5: But as you say, that's it was kind of about, Wow,

669
00:34:44,573 --> 00:34:46,893
Speaker 5: there's nothing I could do about it, so kind of

670
00:34:46,933 --> 00:34:49,573
Speaker 5: coming to terms with it, as you say, getting over

671
00:34:49,653 --> 00:34:51,493
Speaker 5: it and trying to focus on what I can to

672
00:34:52,093 --> 00:34:54,533
Speaker 5: improve my foot and outside of rugby as well.

673
00:34:55,133 --> 00:34:57,533
Speaker 3: Is this your first major injury carew.

674
00:34:59,253 --> 00:35:00,373
Speaker 4: It's the longest one I've had.

675
00:35:00,573 --> 00:35:04,093
Speaker 5: I broke my arm two years ago and that put

676
00:35:04,173 --> 00:35:05,693
Speaker 5: me out for about four months, but it was kind

677
00:35:05,733 --> 00:35:09,053
Speaker 5: of near the back end of Super and start of MPC,

678
00:35:09,213 --> 00:35:11,693
Speaker 5: so I think I actually only missed about maybe eight

679
00:35:11,773 --> 00:35:15,253
Speaker 5: to ten games, I think. So this has definitely been

680
00:35:15,293 --> 00:35:17,613
Speaker 5: the longest in terms of missed the whole season six

681
00:35:17,733 --> 00:35:21,493
Speaker 5: months rehab, whereas I I think a month or two

682
00:35:21,533 --> 00:35:23,133
Speaker 5: of the rehab for my arm was during the off

683
00:35:23,213 --> 00:35:28,613
Speaker 5: season between the two. So it has been But yeah,

684
00:35:28,613 --> 00:35:30,093
Speaker 5: I guess I've had a few niggles and stuff and

685
00:35:30,173 --> 00:35:31,493
Speaker 5: as I said, my arm, so it's kind of I

686
00:35:31,573 --> 00:35:32,573
Speaker 5: know what the process looks like.

687
00:35:33,053 --> 00:35:35,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, just in terms of the rehab and everything I've

688
00:35:35,733 --> 00:35:38,573
Speaker 3: heard from previous players, it can be quite a lonely existence.

689
00:35:38,613 --> 00:35:41,493
Speaker 3: I guess you know, us a team sport, used to

690
00:35:42,253 --> 00:35:45,253
Speaker 3: the camaraderie and doing things together. But if you're injured,

691
00:35:45,293 --> 00:35:48,973
Speaker 3: you're you're often off by yourself or isolated to a degree.

692
00:35:49,173 --> 00:35:50,293
Speaker 3: What's said experience been.

693
00:35:51,373 --> 00:35:52,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it.

694
00:35:53,733 --> 00:35:56,893
Speaker 5: Can be a Weever, I'm actually pretty fortunate, well fortunate

695
00:35:57,093 --> 00:36:00,733
Speaker 5: for me, maybe not for him, but Ran Paul, who's

696
00:36:00,733 --> 00:36:02,453
Speaker 5: in the Blues this year. He did a very very

697
00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:04,853
Speaker 5: similar injury, I think a week later than me. So

698
00:36:06,213 --> 00:36:07,693
Speaker 5: we both kind of come and go a wee bit

699
00:36:07,773 --> 00:36:09,093
Speaker 5: like I'm down and I shot a wee bit for

700
00:36:09,173 --> 00:36:12,333
Speaker 5: UNI and for seeing family and stuff, and he's down

701
00:36:12,373 --> 00:36:14,373
Speaker 5: in the mound to weep it. But we're lucky that

702
00:36:14,453 --> 00:36:16,613
Speaker 5: our training programs look lot quite similar, so we kind

703
00:36:16,653 --> 00:36:18,653
Speaker 5: of do a lot of it together. He's a week

704
00:36:18,773 --> 00:36:21,173
Speaker 5: or so behind me in his reheab, so he's kind

705
00:36:21,173 --> 00:36:22,853
Speaker 5: of always asking me what it's been like and all that.

706
00:36:23,013 --> 00:36:25,093
Speaker 5: But I've tried to stay as connected as I can.

707
00:36:26,413 --> 00:36:27,653
Speaker 5: I took a wee bit of a break through the

708
00:36:27,693 --> 00:36:29,933
Speaker 5: middle of the year, but when I'm in Auckland, I'm

709
00:36:29,933 --> 00:36:33,333
Speaker 5: going all the meetings, I'm helping out where I can

710
00:36:33,413 --> 00:36:35,413
Speaker 5: I'm in the gym with the boys, I'll be out

711
00:36:35,453 --> 00:36:37,213
Speaker 5: at training with it, just do a moone running.

712
00:36:37,133 --> 00:36:37,813
Speaker 4: Or whatever it is.

713
00:36:37,973 --> 00:36:40,653
Speaker 5: So it definitely can be lonely, but I've tried to

714
00:36:40,693 --> 00:36:44,613
Speaker 5: kind of stay as connected as possible, and I guess.

715
00:36:44,453 --> 00:36:45,413
Speaker 4: To try and help with that.

716
00:36:45,933 --> 00:36:46,773
Speaker 3: What are you studying?

717
00:36:47,653 --> 00:36:50,533
Speaker 5: Studying a commis degree, So there was one of the

718
00:36:50,613 --> 00:36:52,613
Speaker 5: things I decided i'd work on with with the injury.

719
00:36:52,733 --> 00:36:54,693
Speaker 5: So I've been kind of chipping away for about seven

720
00:36:54,773 --> 00:36:57,173
Speaker 5: years now and I've got four papers to go. So

721
00:36:57,213 --> 00:37:00,133
Speaker 5: I'm doing three this semester and hopefully all going well.

722
00:37:00,173 --> 00:37:01,493
Speaker 5: I only have one to do next semester.

723
00:37:02,053 --> 00:37:03,493
Speaker 3: Nice. Yeah, it's good to have a bit of a

724
00:37:03,533 --> 00:37:04,453
Speaker 3: balance in life, right.

725
00:37:04,493 --> 00:37:05,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

726
00:37:05,333 --> 00:37:08,093
Speaker 5: And I think Mum and Dad have always been quite

727
00:37:08,093 --> 00:37:09,733
Speaker 5: big and I think I'm pretty keen on it as well.

728
00:37:09,733 --> 00:37:12,333
Speaker 5: I think obviously hopefully I don't have to use it

729
00:37:12,413 --> 00:37:15,573
Speaker 5: for another eighteen years all going well, but I think

730
00:37:15,613 --> 00:37:16,973
Speaker 5: at the end the end of my career, it might

731
00:37:17,053 --> 00:37:19,173
Speaker 5: just show that, you know, I can, you know, there's

732
00:37:19,173 --> 00:37:20,653
Speaker 5: more to me than just tossing the ball around and

733
00:37:20,693 --> 00:37:21,573
Speaker 5: running through things, you know.

734
00:37:21,853 --> 00:37:24,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, Perc, you touched on a little bit there. But

735
00:37:24,613 --> 00:37:29,133
Speaker 3: going back to cross Church for your hometown Elliott's from there,

736
00:37:29,173 --> 00:37:30,573
Speaker 3: I give them a lot of stick for it, big

737
00:37:30,613 --> 00:37:33,133
Speaker 3: Crusaders fans. Yeah, yeah, I won't hold that against them.

738
00:37:33,213 --> 00:37:36,973
Speaker 3: But you know, you turned a few heads, right. It

739
00:37:37,173 --> 00:37:41,173
Speaker 3: was a surprise you came through the cross Church schooling

740
00:37:41,253 --> 00:37:45,253
Speaker 3: system into the Canterbury ranks and the move to Auckland's.

741
00:37:45,893 --> 00:37:47,733
Speaker 3: From the outside in you it was a big risk.

742
00:37:47,813 --> 00:37:51,093
Speaker 3: You know, the Crusaders were the team they produced a

743
00:37:51,133 --> 00:37:55,133
Speaker 3: lot of all blacks. What was your thinking at that time?

744
00:37:56,973 --> 00:37:57,093
Speaker 2: Oh?

745
00:37:57,213 --> 00:37:59,973
Speaker 5: Mate, it was a very, very difficult decision. I never

746
00:38:00,613 --> 00:38:02,973
Speaker 5: never saw it as an option. I kind of always assumed,

747
00:38:04,053 --> 00:38:06,333
Speaker 5: as you say, kind of going through the academy down

748
00:38:06,373 --> 00:38:08,613
Speaker 5: in christ Church and assume that would be the past way.

749
00:38:10,253 --> 00:38:12,573
Speaker 5: And then it was actually a bit of a weird

750
00:38:12,573 --> 00:38:14,893
Speaker 5: one though, because I hadn't really grown up supporting the Crusaders.

751
00:38:14,893 --> 00:38:17,893
Speaker 5: Because my dad was I think he played one or

752
00:38:17,933 --> 00:38:19,893
Speaker 5: two games for a Tigo I was born down there.

753
00:38:20,973 --> 00:38:23,533
Speaker 5: He always supported the Hands growing up. My older brother

754
00:38:23,533 --> 00:38:25,653
Speaker 5: always supported the Hans growing up, so I kind of.

755
00:38:25,773 --> 00:38:27,933
Speaker 4: Was supported them as well.

756
00:38:28,013 --> 00:38:31,373
Speaker 5: And then, but yeah, I just came through the system

757
00:38:31,413 --> 00:38:32,893
Speaker 5: and always thought there would be the way I went,

758
00:38:32,973 --> 00:38:35,253
Speaker 5: and then Leon kind of gave me a call one

759
00:38:35,333 --> 00:38:39,653
Speaker 5: day and very unexpected and kind of just planted the

760
00:38:39,693 --> 00:38:42,053
Speaker 5: seed and then followed it up a couple of weeks later,

761
00:38:42,093 --> 00:38:43,893
Speaker 5: and then the Crusaders kind of came to the party and.

762
00:38:45,173 --> 00:38:46,453
Speaker 3: Had do you have much to do of Leon?

763
00:38:46,573 --> 00:38:46,933
Speaker 2: Before that?

764
00:38:47,613 --> 00:38:47,813
Speaker 3: Nah?

765
00:38:47,973 --> 00:38:48,693
Speaker 4: No, I hadn't had.

766
00:38:48,733 --> 00:38:50,693
Speaker 5: I hadn't had really. Oh, actually a wee But I

767
00:38:50,773 --> 00:38:53,493
Speaker 5: went to school with his son, Harry. It was a

768
00:38:53,613 --> 00:38:55,133
Speaker 5: year above me, I think, so. I think i'd maybe

769
00:38:55,213 --> 00:38:57,253
Speaker 5: met him then, but but not from a rugby point

770
00:38:57,253 --> 00:39:02,453
Speaker 5: of view, but I guess yeah, I kind of looked

771
00:39:02,493 --> 00:39:05,213
Speaker 5: at it and saw I think there was the COVID year.

772
00:39:05,213 --> 00:39:05,813
Speaker 4: I think it was, so.

773
00:39:05,813 --> 00:39:08,253
Speaker 5: I think it was when the maybe Leon's first year.

774
00:39:08,333 --> 00:39:10,533
Speaker 5: I'd had quite a good season and then went over

775
00:39:10,573 --> 00:39:12,613
Speaker 5: to South Africa and won all the games over there

776
00:39:12,693 --> 00:39:14,413
Speaker 5: or something, and we're kind of starting to build quite

777
00:39:14,493 --> 00:39:19,093
Speaker 5: nicely and kind of waged up where I might sit

778
00:39:19,213 --> 00:39:22,933
Speaker 5: in the picking order in christ Church and in Auckland.

779
00:39:24,373 --> 00:39:25,973
Speaker 5: Weighed up a heap of different things. I think it

780
00:39:26,013 --> 00:39:27,773
Speaker 5: probably took me almost a month or two to make

781
00:39:27,813 --> 00:39:30,493
Speaker 5: my decision. Like I would wake up one day sure

782
00:39:30,533 --> 00:39:31,933
Speaker 5: that I was coming up here and the next I'd

783
00:39:31,933 --> 00:39:35,133
Speaker 5: think I was going to stay, so yeah, and then

784
00:39:35,253 --> 00:39:40,573
Speaker 5: ultimately just decided that, you know, the opportunity up here

785
00:39:40,773 --> 00:39:43,533
Speaker 5: was not only from a rugby point view, but also

786
00:39:43,653 --> 00:39:46,533
Speaker 5: just from a life point of view. Like I kind

787
00:39:46,573 --> 00:39:48,053
Speaker 5: of thought if I stayed in christ Church with the

788
00:39:48,093 --> 00:39:50,333
Speaker 5: Crusaders that I potentially could be there till I was

789
00:39:51,653 --> 00:39:53,373
Speaker 5: all going well thirty four to thirty five, and all

790
00:39:53,413 --> 00:39:54,973
Speaker 5: of a sudden, I'm thirty five years old and never

791
00:39:55,053 --> 00:39:57,573
Speaker 5: really left christ Church. So sat it as a coo

792
00:39:57,613 --> 00:39:59,813
Speaker 5: opportunity from that point of view as well, getting out

793
00:39:59,813 --> 00:40:03,293
Speaker 5: of christ Church moving to Auckland, and also in terms

794
00:40:03,333 --> 00:40:06,453
Speaker 5: of playing time. Obviously there was still qualitie locks in

795
00:40:06,533 --> 00:40:10,493
Speaker 5: Auckland at the time, but potentially not as well established

796
00:40:10,493 --> 00:40:13,333
Speaker 5: as the guys and the Crusaders that you had Luke Romano,

797
00:40:13,493 --> 00:40:19,293
Speaker 5: Sam Whitelocke, Scott Barrett, Mitch Dunshake, Quinn Strange. So it's

798
00:40:19,293 --> 00:40:23,573
Speaker 5: some pretty impressive cattle there. But yeah, I'm very glad

799
00:40:23,573 --> 00:40:25,213
Speaker 5: I made it, and I've never looked back since.

800
00:40:25,813 --> 00:40:28,253
Speaker 2: How valuable is Simon Like Patrick Tweop, a lot who

801
00:40:28,253 --> 00:40:30,893
Speaker 2: have been in that transition, I guess coming up from

802
00:40:30,933 --> 00:40:33,493
Speaker 2: christ Church and having a leader like him to work

803
00:40:33,493 --> 00:40:35,853
Speaker 2: alongside learn off as a lock. How valuable is someone

804
00:40:35,933 --> 00:40:37,493
Speaker 2: like him being in your rugby creatives?

805
00:40:37,733 --> 00:40:38,933
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, he's been awesome.

806
00:40:40,333 --> 00:40:43,093
Speaker 5: Him and everyone else, all the players, all the locks

807
00:40:43,133 --> 00:40:46,413
Speaker 5: that I've been fortunate enough to play with, have helped

808
00:40:46,453 --> 00:40:48,293
Speaker 5: me a heap in my in my journey. But Patty's

809
00:40:48,333 --> 00:40:50,133
Speaker 5: been you know, you look at who he is. He's

810
00:40:50,173 --> 00:40:53,333
Speaker 5: a you know, he's not he doesn't speak speak the most,

811
00:40:53,413 --> 00:40:54,893
Speaker 5: but when he does it carries a lot of weight.

812
00:40:55,013 --> 00:40:57,413
Speaker 5: And he's obviously a very physical and dominant player, and

813
00:40:58,293 --> 00:41:00,493
Speaker 5: he's helped me with that in a lot of different areas.

814
00:41:01,653 --> 00:41:03,573
Speaker 5: And then I think someone like Luke Romano also was

815
00:41:03,653 --> 00:41:05,733
Speaker 5: massive for me. Him and I had a really good

816
00:41:05,733 --> 00:41:10,653
Speaker 5: relationship through Canterbury through his when he came up here

817
00:41:10,773 --> 00:41:14,653
Speaker 5: and played his time up here. He was actually a

818
00:41:14,773 --> 00:41:16,333
Speaker 5: very kind of big mental for me, I guess, and

819
00:41:16,453 --> 00:41:18,453
Speaker 5: he was always massive and same with Petty around trying

820
00:41:18,453 --> 00:41:20,733
Speaker 5: to get me to understand my size were probably you know,

821
00:41:21,493 --> 00:41:25,133
Speaker 5: growing up a skinny white boy, you never seem to

822
00:41:25,173 --> 00:41:26,613
Speaker 5: think that you're you're going to be big, and then

823
00:41:26,653 --> 00:41:27,773
Speaker 5: you kind of start to put on a bit of

824
00:41:27,853 --> 00:41:29,493
Speaker 5: size and you're not used to kind of using it

825
00:41:29,573 --> 00:41:34,773
Speaker 5: and manipulating situations to suit your size. So he was

826
00:41:34,853 --> 00:41:38,053
Speaker 5: really really Gramano was really big for me in their aspect,

827
00:41:38,093 --> 00:41:38,733
Speaker 5: and so was Petty.

828
00:41:39,253 --> 00:41:41,053
Speaker 2: Was there a moment where it clicked and said, hey,

829
00:41:41,093 --> 00:41:43,373
Speaker 2: hang on, I'm a two hundred and four seemed to

830
00:41:43,413 --> 00:41:45,293
Speaker 2: me to bloke, I can use the size on the

831
00:41:45,373 --> 00:41:46,613
Speaker 2: rugby field to my advantage.

832
00:41:48,573 --> 00:41:50,573
Speaker 5: I actually think that almost was away but we played

833
00:41:51,453 --> 00:41:57,133
Speaker 5: it was super round. Maybe three years ago. We played

834
00:41:57,173 --> 00:42:01,613
Speaker 5: Fiji Drewer in Melbourne and I kind of just had

835
00:42:01,653 --> 00:42:03,613
Speaker 5: been romana. I've been working a lot with me around

836
00:42:03,733 --> 00:42:07,693
Speaker 5: kind of running onto the ball and trying to dictate

837
00:42:07,773 --> 00:42:10,293
Speaker 5: contact as opposed to catching, and you know, obviously you

838
00:42:10,293 --> 00:42:12,133
Speaker 5: want to use your feet, but just kind of using

839
00:42:12,173 --> 00:42:14,693
Speaker 5: your momentum and your size. And had a couple of

840
00:42:14,733 --> 00:42:16,493
Speaker 5: good carries in that game, a couple of good tackles

841
00:42:16,533 --> 00:42:18,093
Speaker 5: as well, And I mean them coming up to me

842
00:42:18,173 --> 00:42:20,333
Speaker 5: after the game and saying, you finally figured it out,

843
00:42:20,373 --> 00:42:21,573
Speaker 5: And I said, now you just got to do it

844
00:42:21,613 --> 00:42:23,773
Speaker 5: every week. And I think that part they are doing

845
00:42:23,813 --> 00:42:25,533
Speaker 5: it every week. I'm still kind of working on. But

846
00:42:26,693 --> 00:42:28,773
Speaker 5: I think that was a year bit of a confidence booster.

847
00:42:28,853 --> 00:42:33,773
Speaker 5: I think and yeah, building me up to dominating contact area.

848
00:42:34,333 --> 00:42:35,973
Speaker 3: How are were you when you move to Aalkland?

849
00:42:37,533 --> 00:42:39,493
Speaker 5: It was twenty twenty one, so I think I was

850
00:42:40,853 --> 00:42:43,773
Speaker 5: twenty and then turn twenty one midway through the year.

851
00:42:44,213 --> 00:42:46,533
Speaker 3: And so twenty four now I guess you know you

852
00:42:47,253 --> 00:42:49,613
Speaker 3: you go on and off the fields, but in terms

853
00:42:49,653 --> 00:42:55,373
Speaker 3: of your touched on the size, the physical composition, can

854
00:42:55,413 --> 00:42:57,093
Speaker 3: you give us a bit of an insight about how

855
00:42:57,653 --> 00:43:01,253
Speaker 3: you go about putting on weight as it's eating rice

856
00:43:02,333 --> 00:43:07,373
Speaker 3: noodles whatever it is, because generally speaking, test locks are

857
00:43:07,413 --> 00:43:11,013
Speaker 3: what one hundred and twenty and thirty kgs? So how

858
00:43:11,133 --> 00:43:13,573
Speaker 3: much weight have you had to put on? And more specifically,

859
00:43:13,693 --> 00:43:14,613
Speaker 3: how do you go about it?

860
00:43:15,613 --> 00:43:17,093
Speaker 5: I think when I came up from memory, I was

861
00:43:17,133 --> 00:43:19,173
Speaker 5: about one hundred and seven, and I remember it was

862
00:43:19,213 --> 00:43:21,173
Speaker 5: the first kind of thing they talked about, was putting

863
00:43:21,213 --> 00:43:24,453
Speaker 5: on weight, and it's I think, I like, it's always

864
00:43:24,533 --> 00:43:26,333
Speaker 5: been the thing for me, obviously very lucky with my

865
00:43:26,413 --> 00:43:30,293
Speaker 5: height and it's I guess maybe having a frame that

866
00:43:30,373 --> 00:43:34,733
Speaker 5: I can carry it. So it's always been the thing

867
00:43:34,773 --> 00:43:38,533
Speaker 5: for me, and it was obviously my mum's nutritus with

868
00:43:38,573 --> 00:43:42,133
Speaker 5: the ab so having here on my corner has definitely

869
00:43:42,173 --> 00:43:45,653
Speaker 5: been very helpful. And honestly, at first when I first

870
00:43:45,693 --> 00:43:48,093
Speaker 5: came up here, it was anything and everything, Like it

871
00:43:48,293 --> 00:43:52,413
Speaker 5: was mainly around making sure I was having the protein

872
00:43:52,493 --> 00:43:55,893
Speaker 5: hits throughout the day, but then around that just anything

873
00:43:55,933 --> 00:43:57,853
Speaker 5: and everything. Like I think I remember my first year

874
00:43:57,973 --> 00:44:01,613
Speaker 5: up here, the trainer Phil Herey who's over in Japan now.

875
00:44:02,893 --> 00:44:04,493
Speaker 5: I think I remember him saying to me like, oh,

876
00:44:04,613 --> 00:44:07,093
Speaker 5: you can, like if you wanted to, you can go

877
00:44:07,213 --> 00:44:08,813
Speaker 5: to bed and just before you get bed, you can

878
00:44:08,853 --> 00:44:10,973
Speaker 5: make it smoothie and when you get up to go

879
00:44:11,053 --> 00:44:13,293
Speaker 5: to the toilet in the night, you just have your smoothie.

880
00:44:13,293 --> 00:44:16,053
Speaker 5: And I was just like I was like, far, that's

881
00:44:16,053 --> 00:44:18,453
Speaker 5: all even extreme, Like it enough, I'm quite going to

882
00:44:18,533 --> 00:44:20,533
Speaker 5: do that, Like I'm pretty keen just to lie down

883
00:44:20,573 --> 00:44:22,933
Speaker 5: and sleep for a while. But like it was to

884
00:44:23,053 --> 00:44:25,973
Speaker 5: that point like I was so skinny and light that

885
00:44:26,773 --> 00:44:28,573
Speaker 5: they were just trying to peck weight on me anyway

886
00:44:28,653 --> 00:44:31,773
Speaker 5: they could. And I think I can't remember, but I

887
00:44:31,813 --> 00:44:33,693
Speaker 5: think I was about one twelve, one thirteen that first

888
00:44:33,733 --> 00:44:36,173
Speaker 5: super season. But since then it's just been a kind

889
00:44:36,173 --> 00:44:40,493
Speaker 5: of gradual growth. Probably skim folds probably aren't where they

890
00:44:40,493 --> 00:44:41,973
Speaker 5: need to be at the moment, which is quite ironic

891
00:44:42,053 --> 00:44:45,493
Speaker 5: giving Mum's role. But I think because of as you say,

892
00:44:45,533 --> 00:44:49,093
Speaker 5: the position I'm in and unfortunate enough that my fitness

893
00:44:49,453 --> 00:44:51,933
Speaker 5: is one of my strengths that I can seem to

894
00:44:52,013 --> 00:44:56,013
Speaker 5: carry it right around the field. So I guess it's

895
00:44:56,013 --> 00:44:57,773
Speaker 5: about trying to find that happy medium. But it's still

896
00:44:57,813 --> 00:45:00,413
Speaker 5: something I'm working on, like especially with the injury, not

897
00:45:00,493 --> 00:45:03,373
Speaker 5: being out of gym too much for the better part

898
00:45:03,413 --> 00:45:06,813
Speaker 5: of two months, trying to work on getting their size

899
00:45:06,853 --> 00:45:09,173
Speaker 5: back up and eating well and little bit more weight.

900
00:45:09,893 --> 00:45:13,213
Speaker 3: Was one O seven when you sort of came up here,

901
00:45:13,493 --> 00:45:14,573
Speaker 3: what won twenty ish? Now?

902
00:45:14,773 --> 00:45:17,573
Speaker 5: Yeap, So I won twenty through Super last year back

903
00:45:17,733 --> 00:45:21,493
Speaker 5: back around about one eighteen through the AB season, so

904
00:45:22,613 --> 00:45:24,613
Speaker 5: pretty keen to try and sit around that kind of

905
00:45:24,653 --> 00:45:26,453
Speaker 5: one eighteen to one twenty mark for the time being,

906
00:45:26,533 --> 00:45:28,293
Speaker 5: and maybe as I get older that lifts up a

907
00:45:28,333 --> 00:45:28,653
Speaker 5: wee bit.

908
00:45:28,733 --> 00:45:31,853
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, and you must notice it, I guess,

909
00:45:31,893 --> 00:45:35,093
Speaker 3: having played international rugby and the like, and you probably

910
00:45:35,093 --> 00:45:37,293
Speaker 3: didn't play the South African teams, but yeah, coming up

911
00:45:37,333 --> 00:45:39,693
Speaker 3: against some of those bigger locks, you know it's the difference.

912
00:45:39,773 --> 00:45:42,693
Speaker 5: And yeah, oh, definitely definitely. I played one game against

913
00:45:42,733 --> 00:45:46,733
Speaker 5: South Africa off the bench and I think I had

914
00:45:46,773 --> 00:45:48,293
Speaker 5: one carry and got stripped to.

915
00:45:48,293 --> 00:45:51,493
Speaker 4: The ball, So still a few work on there.

916
00:45:51,573 --> 00:45:54,853
Speaker 5: But yeah, you definitely notice it, and even at super level,

917
00:45:54,973 --> 00:45:58,293
Speaker 5: like as I say, like what Romano and Patty talk about,

918
00:45:58,333 --> 00:46:00,893
Speaker 5: like just using your size to I guess us a

919
00:46:00,893 --> 00:46:02,933
Speaker 5: bit of footwork to get a slight weak shoulder, and

920
00:46:02,973 --> 00:46:07,533
Speaker 5: then just using your body height, your feet, all your

921
00:46:07,573 --> 00:46:09,493
Speaker 5: hard parts and my area, just trying to go through

922
00:46:09,733 --> 00:46:13,853
Speaker 5: through the collision. And even if you might make contact

923
00:46:13,893 --> 00:46:15,653
Speaker 5: and fall, you know, being tall, you kind of fall

924
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:17,813
Speaker 5: two meters and then you place. You know, you're already

925
00:46:17,893 --> 00:46:20,693
Speaker 5: kind of over the game line. So you definitely notice

926
00:46:20,733 --> 00:46:24,053
Speaker 5: it in the collisions. You notice when you're cleaning rucks,

927
00:46:24,133 --> 00:46:26,573
Speaker 5: when you're making tackles. It just means you, I think

928
00:46:26,613 --> 00:46:28,413
Speaker 5: it just means your technique potentially it doesn't have to

929
00:46:28,453 --> 00:46:31,533
Speaker 5: be as good, so you can kind of get away

930
00:46:31,573 --> 00:46:33,653
Speaker 5: with a bit more I guess, but obviously in an

931
00:46:33,693 --> 00:46:35,373
Speaker 5: idea wild your techniquess good and you got the Wight

932
00:46:35,413 --> 00:46:35,773
Speaker 5: Pine in you.

933
00:46:36,293 --> 00:46:38,813
Speaker 2: How do you look back at twenty twenty four Blues

934
00:46:38,893 --> 00:46:42,373
Speaker 2: Championship All Black Stay Boo, pretty big year? Yeah, how

935
00:46:42,413 --> 00:46:43,373
Speaker 2: do you look back at last year.

936
00:46:44,213 --> 00:46:48,333
Speaker 5: It was awesome, but I mean it's it's tough because

937
00:46:48,333 --> 00:46:50,773
Speaker 5: you're never really satisfied. You know, there's still things that

938
00:46:50,853 --> 00:46:54,093
Speaker 5: I would want to work on and am still driving towards.

939
00:46:54,133 --> 00:46:55,653
Speaker 5: So you kind of look back at it and you're like, yeah,

940
00:46:55,653 --> 00:46:58,013
Speaker 5: that was great and it's ticked off a lot of

941
00:46:58,053 --> 00:46:59,693
Speaker 5: goals I had. But at the same time, it's kind

942
00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:02,933
Speaker 5: of like, what's next, you know, And that was I

943
00:47:02,933 --> 00:47:03,653
Speaker 5: guess taken away.

944
00:47:03,693 --> 00:47:04,693
Speaker 4: Weave it by the injury, but.

945
00:47:06,533 --> 00:47:10,653
Speaker 5: You know, being rugby player an athlete, yeah, it is

946
00:47:10,773 --> 00:47:13,413
Speaker 5: kind of tough to stop and smell the flowers at times,

947
00:47:13,453 --> 00:47:16,453
Speaker 5: I think, because, as you say, it was awesome, but

948
00:47:17,613 --> 00:47:19,413
Speaker 5: you know, you make it and then you're wanting to start,

949
00:47:19,533 --> 00:47:21,053
Speaker 5: or you wanted to make the twenty three, and then

950
00:47:21,093 --> 00:47:24,133
Speaker 5: that happens and you're wanting to you know, there's always

951
00:47:24,213 --> 00:47:26,293
Speaker 5: something more that kind of comes on top of the

952
00:47:26,373 --> 00:47:29,013
Speaker 5: goals you might have already had. So it was great,

953
00:47:29,093 --> 00:47:31,613
Speaker 5: but you're very excited about trying to get back in there,

954
00:47:31,653 --> 00:47:32,653
Speaker 5: I guess and do it again.

955
00:47:32,893 --> 00:47:35,293
Speaker 2: You you mentioned that's too African experience. It's someone that

956
00:47:35,333 --> 00:47:36,653
Speaker 2: didn't play super in South Africa.

957
00:47:36,693 --> 00:47:37,213
Speaker 4: What was that like?

958
00:47:37,733 --> 00:47:40,493
Speaker 2: Sold out? Alice Park, the Cape Town Stadium as well.

959
00:47:40,533 --> 00:47:43,133
Speaker 2: Those were big pressure cooker environments. What was it like

960
00:47:43,213 --> 00:47:46,173
Speaker 2: playing and being part of the all black environment.

961
00:47:45,893 --> 00:47:48,653
Speaker 5: In terms of the whole experience, it was incredible. As

962
00:47:48,733 --> 00:47:51,653
Speaker 5: you say, they've kind of missed that through super and

963
00:47:51,853 --> 00:47:53,773
Speaker 5: I remember hearing a lot of the boys talk about

964
00:47:53,813 --> 00:47:56,453
Speaker 5: it and talk about the atmosphere and everything, and yeah,

965
00:47:56,453 --> 00:48:00,493
Speaker 5: it was unbelievable that they just love their footy over there.

966
00:48:00,533 --> 00:48:04,013
Speaker 5: They're very passionate Alice Park, it just feels like everyone's

967
00:48:04,013 --> 00:48:04,533
Speaker 5: on top of you.

968
00:48:06,013 --> 00:48:06,973
Speaker 4: But no, it was awesome.

969
00:48:07,013 --> 00:48:12,933
Speaker 5: Obviously disappointing results over there for us and potentially probably

970
00:48:12,933 --> 00:48:15,373
Speaker 5: disappointing performances myself as well, but in terms of an

971
00:48:15,373 --> 00:48:19,653
Speaker 5: actual experience of playing in that environment, learning what it's

972
00:48:19,813 --> 00:48:24,253
Speaker 5: like feeling that pressure, I absolutely love today. It's it's

973
00:48:25,293 --> 00:48:26,893
Speaker 5: where you want to be as a footy player. It's

974
00:48:26,933 --> 00:48:28,933
Speaker 5: the games you watch. You know, you remember getting up

975
00:48:29,013 --> 00:48:30,853
Speaker 5: and at three am in the morning as a kid

976
00:48:31,013 --> 00:48:35,613
Speaker 5: watching the games, the flyover before the game, the whole

977
00:48:35,693 --> 00:48:37,413
Speaker 5: kind of experience that goes along with it.

978
00:48:38,013 --> 00:48:38,253
Speaker 4: It was.

979
00:48:38,533 --> 00:48:41,333
Speaker 2: It was just incredible and interview till you suffered the

980
00:48:41,573 --> 00:48:45,333
Speaker 2: knee injury before the Irish Test, Yeah, during the week.

981
00:48:45,413 --> 00:48:45,613
Speaker 4: Yeah.

982
00:48:45,773 --> 00:48:48,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you came home after that. But were you

983
00:48:48,813 --> 00:48:51,013
Speaker 2: obviously on track to be ready for the super season

984
00:48:51,053 --> 00:48:52,253
Speaker 2: this year with that need? Yeah?

985
00:48:52,333 --> 00:48:55,133
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that was just it was a Grade two

986
00:48:55,333 --> 00:48:57,453
Speaker 5: MCL sprain, so it was I think it was about

987
00:48:58,213 --> 00:49:01,133
Speaker 5: four to six week recovery, So yeah, it was.

988
00:49:02,893 --> 00:49:03,333
Speaker 4: On track.

989
00:49:03,413 --> 00:49:05,093
Speaker 5: I think I went back up to Auckland in about

990
00:49:05,173 --> 00:49:07,333
Speaker 5: December last year to kind of check in with the

991
00:49:07,373 --> 00:49:09,093
Speaker 5: physios and they all happen with how I was going,

992
00:49:09,133 --> 00:49:10,733
Speaker 5: and then yeah, I went back a couple of weeks

993
00:49:10,773 --> 00:49:13,453
Speaker 5: before we meant to start doing a bit of training.

994
00:49:13,573 --> 00:49:15,493
Speaker 5: So yeah, everything was was kind of on track and

995
00:49:15,653 --> 00:49:16,293
Speaker 5: until it wasn't.

996
00:49:16,333 --> 00:49:19,933
Speaker 2: I guess what's just change text like, what's what's been

997
00:49:19,973 --> 00:49:21,773
Speaker 2: quite have been like as a as a mentor as

998
00:49:21,813 --> 00:49:24,453
Speaker 2: a blues coach to you with obviously started under Leon,

999
00:49:24,533 --> 00:49:26,853
Speaker 2: now Verne's coming last couple of years. What have you

1000
00:49:26,973 --> 00:49:28,253
Speaker 2: learned under under Vincotts.

1001
00:49:28,333 --> 00:49:31,533
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been amazing, been very fortunate to have to

1002
00:49:31,653 --> 00:49:32,733
Speaker 5: have two great coach as well.

1003
00:49:32,773 --> 00:49:33,253
Speaker 4: A the Blues.

1004
00:49:33,573 --> 00:49:35,653
Speaker 5: Leon was awesome as well, and Vern's kind of come

1005
00:49:35,693 --> 00:49:39,173
Speaker 5: in and just really really built that hard edge. You know,

1006
00:49:39,253 --> 00:49:41,653
Speaker 5: he's very old school. He tells her how it is.

1007
00:49:42,813 --> 00:49:44,533
Speaker 5: But I think I responded quite well to that, that

1008
00:49:44,733 --> 00:49:48,213
Speaker 5: kind of coaching. You know, growing up, Dere was a

1009
00:49:48,253 --> 00:49:51,093
Speaker 5: wee bit like that as well, so you know, it's

1010
00:49:51,293 --> 00:49:53,053
Speaker 5: it's quite familiar to me, and I think it brings

1011
00:49:53,093 --> 00:49:53,693
Speaker 5: the best out of me.

1012
00:49:54,693 --> 00:49:59,253
Speaker 4: You know, he's it's it's I wouldn't say it's very rare.

1013
00:49:59,253 --> 00:50:00,733
Speaker 5: You see him happy, like he is happy when we

1014
00:50:00,773 --> 00:50:03,453
Speaker 5: have good performances, but it's you know, he's I guess,

1015
00:50:03,533 --> 00:50:05,053
Speaker 5: kind of similar to what I touched on before. He's

1016
00:50:05,053 --> 00:50:08,213
Speaker 5: always looking for more because he knows that, I guess,

1017
00:50:08,333 --> 00:50:12,333
Speaker 5: the potential we have as a team. And yeah, him

1018
00:50:12,413 --> 00:50:15,373
Speaker 5: coming in obviously we're very lucky to have some great

1019
00:50:15,413 --> 00:50:19,373
Speaker 5: athletes and some very physically dominant players, but building that

1020
00:50:19,453 --> 00:50:23,053
Speaker 5: hard edge, that ruthlessness throughout the year, and you know,

1021
00:50:23,093 --> 00:50:25,173
Speaker 5: it's potentially something that we might have struggled with this year,

1022
00:50:25,213 --> 00:50:27,013
Speaker 5: but that's kind of what he brings to the table,

1023
00:50:27,053 --> 00:50:29,213
Speaker 5: and he's been amazing for us and in form as

1024
00:50:29,213 --> 00:50:29,533
Speaker 5: a player.

1025
00:50:30,253 --> 00:50:32,133
Speaker 3: How much of a shift in style was it from

1026
00:50:32,213 --> 00:50:35,813
Speaker 3: Leon to vern because from the outside it does seem

1027
00:50:35,893 --> 00:50:39,253
Speaker 3: significant and it did seem to really work for you

1028
00:50:39,373 --> 00:50:42,213
Speaker 3: last year, and maybe teams have figured it out of

1029
00:50:42,253 --> 00:50:45,333
Speaker 3: it this year. Yeah, how much of a shift has

1030
00:50:45,373 --> 00:50:45,933
Speaker 3: that style being?

1031
00:50:46,933 --> 00:50:48,333
Speaker 4: It was? Yeah, it was massive.

1032
00:50:49,373 --> 00:50:52,333
Speaker 5: I really enjoyed it though, because playing in New Zealand,

1033
00:50:52,373 --> 00:50:56,893
Speaker 5: you throughout the Academy systems, through NPC through Super everyone

1034
00:50:56,973 --> 00:51:00,733
Speaker 5: kind of plays quite similarly. Like you have your your structures,

1035
00:51:00,813 --> 00:51:03,013
Speaker 5: whether it's a two four two or one three three

1036
00:51:03,133 --> 00:51:06,693
Speaker 5: one or whatever it is, and you it's quite strict

1037
00:51:06,733 --> 00:51:09,733
Speaker 5: within that and you you know, everyone has that kind

1038
00:51:09,733 --> 00:51:11,613
Speaker 5: of similar approach, whereas he kind of just flipped it

1039
00:51:11,653 --> 00:51:13,973
Speaker 5: completely on its head for what all of us had seen.

1040
00:51:14,093 --> 00:51:17,253
Speaker 5: And it definitely took a while. I remember throughout preseason

1041
00:51:17,293 --> 00:51:19,053
Speaker 5: it was there was a lot of adjusting to it

1042
00:51:19,133 --> 00:51:21,413
Speaker 5: and him trying to get rid of the structure and everything.

1043
00:51:23,493 --> 00:51:25,733
Speaker 5: But I guess, yeah, it just kind of helped us

1044
00:51:25,813 --> 00:51:28,613
Speaker 5: see the game in a different way, and you know,

1045
00:51:28,813 --> 00:51:33,213
Speaker 5: it's obviously quite a European style of play, and yeah,

1046
00:51:33,253 --> 00:51:33,413
Speaker 5: it was.

1047
00:51:33,613 --> 00:51:34,133
Speaker 4: It was awesome.

1048
00:51:34,173 --> 00:51:34,293
Speaker 3: You know.

1049
00:51:34,333 --> 00:51:39,613
Speaker 5: I think, as I said, we having physical athletic players,

1050
00:51:39,853 --> 00:51:45,533
Speaker 5: you know, with Hoskins Paddy Aki last year offer, like

1051
00:51:46,533 --> 00:51:49,773
Speaker 5: I guess, just using them the best we can to

1052
00:51:49,933 --> 00:51:54,893
Speaker 5: kind of beat teams up and go forward was incredible,

1053
00:51:54,893 --> 00:51:56,213
Speaker 5: and I think you see it filtering in a wee

1054
00:51:56,253 --> 00:51:59,173
Speaker 5: bit throughout how other teams are playing out, Like you

1055
00:51:59,213 --> 00:52:00,773
Speaker 5: see how the Chiefs have kind of started to play

1056
00:52:00,813 --> 00:52:03,053
Speaker 5: a webit They have maybe a wee bit more of

1057
00:52:03,093 --> 00:52:04,813
Speaker 5: a balanced approach where they can kind of go to

1058
00:52:04,893 --> 00:52:07,933
Speaker 5: that game if they need. And it's something that we're

1059
00:52:07,933 --> 00:52:09,413
Speaker 5: trying to do as well, is that we don't just

1060
00:52:09,413 --> 00:52:10,813
Speaker 5: want to be a one trick pony. You know, you

1061
00:52:11,133 --> 00:52:14,453
Speaker 5: might have your strengths, but you know, being able to

1062
00:52:14,493 --> 00:52:16,493
Speaker 5: go to it when you need and play away from

1063
00:52:16,533 --> 00:52:19,893
Speaker 5: it when when when you don't. But no, I honestly

1064
00:52:19,973 --> 00:52:21,533
Speaker 5: absolutely loved it as a kind of student of the

1065
00:52:21,613 --> 00:52:23,493
Speaker 5: game and all that. It was awesome to kind of

1066
00:52:23,493 --> 00:52:25,253
Speaker 5: see a different style and see it work as well

1067
00:52:25,333 --> 00:52:27,213
Speaker 5: when a few people kind of doubted us as well.

1068
00:52:27,693 --> 00:52:29,653
Speaker 3: You touched on a little bit there last year, you know,

1069
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:35,293
Speaker 3: hugely physically physically dominant and directs. It's hard, but can

1070
00:52:35,373 --> 00:52:38,213
Speaker 3: you pinpoint maybe what worked last year and maybe what

1071
00:52:38,293 --> 00:52:39,533
Speaker 3: hasn't this year for the Blues?

1072
00:52:41,493 --> 00:52:42,173
Speaker 4: That's a great question.

1073
00:52:42,293 --> 00:52:43,413
Speaker 3: How long how long we got?

1074
00:52:43,853 --> 00:52:50,733
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, honestly, I think it's a lot of it. No,

1075
00:52:51,133 --> 00:52:52,813
Speaker 4: it's a very tough one. It's a very tough one.

1076
00:52:54,893 --> 00:52:56,773
Speaker 5: You know, we won't make any excuses about the year,

1077
00:52:56,813 --> 00:52:58,373
Speaker 5: but we have a lot of injuries and we've lost

1078
00:52:58,373 --> 00:53:00,373
Speaker 5: a lot of close games. But potentially last year we

1079
00:53:00,653 --> 00:53:02,333
Speaker 5: might have won. So I think it's kind of come

1080
00:53:02,413 --> 00:53:05,533
Speaker 5: down to a lot of like small little moments within

1081
00:53:05,813 --> 00:53:09,653
Speaker 5: within that, as I say, kind of touched on it before,

1082
00:53:09,733 --> 00:53:11,053
Speaker 5: like our ruthlessness last.

1083
00:53:10,893 --> 00:53:13,373
Speaker 4: Year, we were we were very hungry. We were.

1084
00:53:15,613 --> 00:53:18,213
Speaker 5: Wanting to kind of get to that mountaintop, I guess,

1085
00:53:18,293 --> 00:53:22,293
Speaker 5: and and you know, I think our conversion rate in

1086
00:53:22,333 --> 00:53:24,133
Speaker 5: the twenty two was I can't remember what it was,

1087
00:53:24,213 --> 00:53:26,133
Speaker 5: but it was it was pretty sharp. I think, you know,

1088
00:53:26,213 --> 00:53:28,773
Speaker 5: we'd get down there and we'd be patient and we'd

1089
00:53:28,813 --> 00:53:31,733
Speaker 5: come away with points. And it's potentially an area where

1090
00:53:31,733 --> 00:53:33,533
Speaker 5: we haven't been as good this year. We had a

1091
00:53:33,613 --> 00:53:36,253
Speaker 5: very strong mall last year as well that helped us

1092
00:53:36,293 --> 00:53:39,293
Speaker 5: both up the field and in the twenty two, and

1093
00:53:39,893 --> 00:53:41,933
Speaker 5: potentially haven't been able to use that as much as

1094
00:53:41,933 --> 00:53:44,813
Speaker 5: we would like this year. And I think, as you

1095
00:53:44,893 --> 00:53:47,773
Speaker 5: touched on potentially as well, we bit of last year

1096
00:53:47,853 --> 00:53:49,733
Speaker 5: it was quite new, but I guess by the end

1097
00:53:49,733 --> 00:53:51,173
Speaker 5: of the season team still knew we were going to

1098
00:53:51,173 --> 00:53:53,173
Speaker 5: do it, but maybe this year they bit more clued

1099
00:53:53,213 --> 00:53:56,253
Speaker 5: onto it. But there's a number of different factors and

1100
00:53:56,293 --> 00:54:00,293
Speaker 5: I think, as you say, it's hasn't been as successful

1101
00:54:00,333 --> 00:54:03,573
Speaker 5: for us of a year this year, But you know,

1102
00:54:03,613 --> 00:54:04,893
Speaker 5: I think as I say, there's been a lot of

1103
00:54:04,973 --> 00:54:08,053
Speaker 5: close games the Chiefs in Hamilton, the Crusaders and christ

1104
00:54:08,133 --> 00:54:10,933
Speaker 5: here Brumbies at home holand Is down in Duned, and

1105
00:54:10,973 --> 00:54:12,453
Speaker 5: I think they are all one or two points and

1106
00:54:13,253 --> 00:54:16,653
Speaker 5: those are games that last year we won and everyone's

1107
00:54:16,733 --> 00:54:19,693
Speaker 5: kind of singing our praises and for a number of

1108
00:54:19,733 --> 00:54:22,493
Speaker 5: different reasons we haven't and now we're in this position.

1109
00:54:22,613 --> 00:54:24,653
Speaker 4: So it's it's a difficult question answer.

1110
00:54:25,773 --> 00:54:28,933
Speaker 3: Picking up on the coaching theme, leon Vern, did you

1111
00:54:29,013 --> 00:54:30,933
Speaker 3: have Razer with Canterbury?

1112
00:54:31,533 --> 00:54:31,973
Speaker 4: No, I didn't.

1113
00:54:31,973 --> 00:54:35,693
Speaker 5: Even with Canterbury, I did an ITC, which is like

1114
00:54:35,733 --> 00:54:37,773
Speaker 5: an interim training contract for an under twenty guy when

1115
00:54:37,813 --> 00:54:41,013
Speaker 5: you're coming through. I think they're called NDCs, now I

1116
00:54:41,093 --> 00:54:43,333
Speaker 5: did did. I think it's like a ten week training

1117
00:54:43,813 --> 00:54:47,173
Speaker 5: season or training off season with the Crusaders. So I

1118
00:54:47,253 --> 00:54:49,213
Speaker 5: did that in my when I was nineteen, I think,

1119
00:54:49,413 --> 00:54:53,813
Speaker 5: and that was when raiser Jase Ryan's got a handsome,

1120
00:54:53,853 --> 00:54:56,853
Speaker 5: real coach in the Crusaders. So was very fortunate through

1121
00:54:56,893 --> 00:54:59,533
Speaker 5: that as well to get some obviously top tier coaching

1122
00:54:59,533 --> 00:55:02,493
Speaker 5: obviously all all best coaches now, So yeah, that was

1123
00:55:03,493 --> 00:55:05,573
Speaker 5: that was awesome and grew a lot through that as well.

1124
00:55:06,493 --> 00:55:09,893
Speaker 3: What was can you give us some that's about RAS's

1125
00:55:09,933 --> 00:55:12,093
Speaker 3: first year is all black coach? What was your experience,

1126
00:55:12,253 --> 00:55:14,453
Speaker 3: Like we hear a lot about you know, he's a character,

1127
00:55:14,533 --> 00:55:18,413
Speaker 3: he's different, he loves theming. But what was your experience

1128
00:55:18,493 --> 00:55:21,773
Speaker 3: of Humm as a coach and his year first year

1129
00:55:21,813 --> 00:55:22,373
Speaker 3: with the Ablicks?

1130
00:55:22,893 --> 00:55:25,093
Speaker 4: It was awesome, incredible coach.

1131
00:55:25,613 --> 00:55:29,213
Speaker 5: All of them are like you see, you see why

1132
00:55:29,253 --> 00:55:33,053
Speaker 5: they've been so successful because their rugby knowledge is incredible

1133
00:55:33,093 --> 00:55:34,813
Speaker 5: and as you say, the way Raiser kind of themes

1134
00:55:34,853 --> 00:55:38,173
Speaker 5: up as seasons and he just knows the kind of

1135
00:55:38,213 --> 00:55:40,133
Speaker 5: right buttons to push to get the best out of players.

1136
00:55:40,493 --> 00:55:46,613
Speaker 5: He's very personable and he you know, he's got great

1137
00:55:46,653 --> 00:55:48,813
Speaker 5: assistance in great places, and everyone just kind of nails

1138
00:55:48,853 --> 00:55:50,853
Speaker 5: their own role. You know, Razor does his part and

1139
00:55:50,973 --> 00:55:53,293
Speaker 5: kind of oversees the whole thing, and then Scott Henson

1140
00:55:53,293 --> 00:55:56,493
Speaker 5: does a great job with the attack, Tombody Elson does

1141
00:55:56,533 --> 00:55:58,253
Speaker 5: a great job with the d Jason Holland with the

1142
00:55:58,493 --> 00:56:01,853
Speaker 5: set piece, and then Jace Ryan, who's an incredible coach,

1143
00:56:03,253 --> 00:56:05,933
Speaker 5: works bloody hard and he just you know, does an

1144
00:56:05,933 --> 00:56:07,933
Speaker 5: amazing job with the fours. And as I say, you

1145
00:56:07,973 --> 00:56:10,133
Speaker 5: can see why the Crusaders had such a dominant full

1146
00:56:10,173 --> 00:56:12,413
Speaker 5: pack for a number of years and then you know

1147
00:56:12,613 --> 00:56:15,333
Speaker 5: we still do. But a large part of their identity

1148
00:56:15,533 --> 00:56:19,853
Speaker 5: was built by jas by Razor, by all of those guys.

1149
00:56:19,973 --> 00:56:22,133
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was. It was awesome when I learned

1150
00:56:22,133 --> 00:56:22,533
Speaker 4: a lot.

1151
00:56:22,813 --> 00:56:26,453
Speaker 3: Any themes you can share of us that resonated. I

1152
00:56:26,573 --> 00:56:30,373
Speaker 3: talked to Reuben Love and he talked about ker Evans

1153
00:56:30,453 --> 00:56:35,573
Speaker 3: and how there was a clip shown of Sherlock Holmes

1154
00:56:35,813 --> 00:56:41,533
Speaker 3: and visualization breaking out of a cell and then that happening.

1155
00:56:42,413 --> 00:56:44,613
Speaker 3: But yeah, any sort of themes that resonated with you

1156
00:56:44,693 --> 00:56:46,133
Speaker 3: throughout the year, Oh.

1157
00:56:46,133 --> 00:56:47,173
Speaker 4: There was heaps. There was heaps.

1158
00:56:49,013 --> 00:56:50,493
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a lot of it's quite in house,

1159
00:56:50,573 --> 00:56:53,933
Speaker 5: but but yeah, obviously touched on it. But Kerry Carry

1160
00:56:53,973 --> 00:56:55,453
Speaker 5: is amazing as well. A lot of the stuff he

1161
00:56:55,573 --> 00:56:58,213
Speaker 5: does around We do mental skills work at least once

1162
00:56:58,253 --> 00:57:01,053
Speaker 5: a week as a team, and then there will usually

1163
00:57:01,053 --> 00:57:03,693
Speaker 5: be your own individual time as well, and he's been

1164
00:57:03,733 --> 00:57:06,933
Speaker 5: messively helpful for me as well. And there's a number

1165
00:57:06,973 --> 00:57:09,573
Speaker 5: of different techniques where it was visualization, whether it's learning

1166
00:57:09,613 --> 00:57:13,533
Speaker 5: how to kind of I guess, not compact well, compact mentalized,

1167
00:57:13,533 --> 00:57:16,333
Speaker 5: I guess, around making years and moving on from it and.

1168
00:57:17,933 --> 00:57:18,813
Speaker 4: All sorts of stuff.

1169
00:57:18,853 --> 00:57:20,853
Speaker 5: But yeah, as I say, you just we're just so

1170
00:57:21,013 --> 00:57:24,013
Speaker 5: lucky in that environment that you're just surrounded by all

1171
00:57:24,093 --> 00:57:26,733
Speaker 5: these different people in different fields that are all just experts,

1172
00:57:26,773 --> 00:57:28,973
Speaker 5: and everyone's just kind of trying to nail their own role,

1173
00:57:28,973 --> 00:57:32,733
Speaker 5: which I guess is the whole identity of the team,

1174
00:57:32,773 --> 00:57:34,933
Speaker 5: you know, as everyone being experts in their own area

1175
00:57:34,973 --> 00:57:37,653
Speaker 5: and just you know, you don't have to worry about

1176
00:57:37,653 --> 00:57:39,453
Speaker 5: trying to do X, Y and Z or you're all

1177
00:57:39,453 --> 00:57:42,373
Speaker 5: you're worrying about is naming your own own thing on

1178
00:57:42,453 --> 00:57:44,773
Speaker 5: the field and letting everything else take care of itself.

1179
00:57:45,373 --> 00:57:47,693
Speaker 3: What about your your relationship with your with your mum

1180
00:57:47,733 --> 00:57:51,773
Speaker 3: mostly was obviously in the all blacks. Is it uncomfortable?

1181
00:57:51,773 --> 00:57:53,853
Speaker 3: Was it uncomfortable at first? And then you get used

1182
00:57:53,893 --> 00:57:56,413
Speaker 3: to it? Did you call her mum? That's such a

1183
00:57:56,573 --> 00:57:57,893
Speaker 3: unique dynamic, right, Yeah.

1184
00:57:58,213 --> 00:57:59,733
Speaker 4: Honestly, it was a very unique dynamic.

1185
00:58:00,213 --> 00:58:03,173
Speaker 5: I was, Yeah, I was pretty apprehensive about it at first,

1186
00:58:03,253 --> 00:58:06,093
Speaker 5: Like I when I got named, well, when I got

1187
00:58:06,133 --> 00:58:08,053
Speaker 5: told I was coming as injury color last year, I

1188
00:58:08,973 --> 00:58:11,293
Speaker 5: was up here in Auckland and I was going to

1189
00:58:11,333 --> 00:58:12,933
Speaker 5: be away for three weeks. So I kind of flew

1190
00:58:12,973 --> 00:58:16,413
Speaker 5: home that night for a couple of days, and Mum

1191
00:58:16,533 --> 00:58:19,053
Speaker 5: was flying out the next day earlier than me, and

1192
00:58:20,693 --> 00:58:23,333
Speaker 5: I kind of said, I didn't sit down any guidelines,

1193
00:58:23,373 --> 00:58:24,893
Speaker 5: but I said, like, you know, like you just do

1194
00:58:25,013 --> 00:58:27,213
Speaker 5: your own thing, like just treat me like any player, please,

1195
00:58:27,253 --> 00:58:30,213
Speaker 5: And she's like, yeah, of course, of course, and said goodbye.

1196
00:58:30,253 --> 00:58:32,293
Speaker 5: And I literally said that, I said, I'm saying goodbye

1197
00:58:32,293 --> 00:58:34,533
Speaker 5: to he is my mum. For three weeks, I would

1198
00:58:34,653 --> 00:58:37,773
Speaker 5: see you up there in a professional capacity. And she

1199
00:58:37,973 --> 00:58:39,653
Speaker 5: was very good about it, because I imagine, like, you know,

1200
00:58:40,213 --> 00:58:41,733
Speaker 5: I don't know what it's like to be appearent, but

1201
00:58:41,733 --> 00:58:43,613
Speaker 5: I imagine your son telling you that probably isn't the

1202
00:58:43,733 --> 00:58:47,533
Speaker 5: nicest thing to hear. But she was very good about it,

1203
00:58:47,613 --> 00:58:50,653
Speaker 5: and the first kind of couple of weeks she was

1204
00:58:51,093 --> 00:58:53,053
Speaker 5: she was very good. She kind of keepped a distance

1205
00:58:53,093 --> 00:58:54,893
Speaker 5: and she might shoot me the odd texts like like

1206
00:58:55,893 --> 00:58:57,933
Speaker 5: you know, keen to catch up with you, and I'd

1207
00:58:58,053 --> 00:58:59,933
Speaker 5: kind of try and sneak grounds and.

1208
00:58:59,973 --> 00:59:03,053
Speaker 4: No one saw. It was very funny, like very quickly.

1209
00:59:03,093 --> 00:59:04,373
Speaker 5: Once I got to know a lot of the boys,

1210
00:59:04,413 --> 00:59:07,293
Speaker 5: everyone would give me a lot of stick like I'd

1211
00:59:07,373 --> 00:59:09,693
Speaker 5: start to say like his cat like ironically and the

1212
00:59:09,813 --> 00:59:12,253
Speaker 5: voice of like, oh, come on mate, you know, and

1213
00:59:12,373 --> 00:59:14,333
Speaker 5: then there's a couple of times I at me.

1214
00:59:14,453 --> 00:59:18,653
Speaker 4: There was one time where I think it was about

1215
00:59:18,693 --> 00:59:19,573
Speaker 4: my third week in camp.

1216
00:59:19,653 --> 00:59:22,333
Speaker 5: We were playing England up here, staying at the park

1217
00:59:22,413 --> 00:59:25,333
Speaker 5: Hide and I had had a promo or something, and

1218
00:59:25,373 --> 00:59:28,093
Speaker 5: I come in late for dinner and she was sitting

1219
00:59:28,093 --> 00:59:29,933
Speaker 5: down having dinner and I thought, I'll sit down here

1220
00:59:29,973 --> 00:59:31,413
Speaker 5: to dinner with it. You know, it'd be quite nice

1221
00:59:31,453 --> 00:59:34,173
Speaker 5: and no one else is around, and you know, like thinking,

1222
00:59:34,213 --> 00:59:36,653
Speaker 5: I'm not a sneaged ay window that I can get

1223
00:59:36,653 --> 00:59:38,693
Speaker 5: away with it. And then it must have just been

1224
00:59:38,693 --> 00:59:41,133
Speaker 5: as one of the message windows was ending and about

1225
00:59:41,293 --> 00:59:44,173
Speaker 5: fifteen of the boys all roll through, and everyone just

1226
00:59:44,493 --> 00:59:46,613
Speaker 5: giving me a tiny little bit. You know, everyone's got

1227
00:59:46,653 --> 00:59:49,373
Speaker 5: something to say about it. Oh isn't this cute? I

1228
00:59:49,453 --> 00:59:51,773
Speaker 5: look at you two, and I was just like, but now,

1229
00:59:51,893 --> 00:59:55,093
Speaker 5: once once I got kind of I guess comfortable in

1230
00:59:55,133 --> 00:59:56,653
Speaker 5: the environment and got to know everyone was.

1231
00:59:57,373 --> 00:59:59,013
Speaker 4: I was happy and it was. It was awesome.

1232
00:59:59,053 --> 01:00:00,293
Speaker 5: She was very good about it, and the boys were

1233
01:00:00,293 --> 01:00:02,893
Speaker 5: awesome about it. But you know, it's kind of initial stage.

1234
01:00:02,933 --> 01:00:05,773
Speaker 5: We're essentially starting a new job with trying to make

1235
01:00:05,853 --> 01:00:07,413
Speaker 5: new mates and stuff, and you got your mum looking

1236
01:00:07,453 --> 01:00:09,253
Speaker 5: over your shoulder that I was really I'm sure of that.

1237
01:00:09,453 --> 01:00:11,493
Speaker 4: But no, it was good Sam.

1238
01:00:11,853 --> 01:00:14,653
Speaker 2: You just resigned with New Zealand Rugby and the Blues

1239
01:00:14,653 --> 01:00:16,813
Speaker 2: and obviously staying with Canterbury as well for another three

1240
01:00:16,893 --> 01:00:19,733
Speaker 2: years through twenty eight. Was it a fairly straightforward decision?

1241
01:00:19,933 --> 01:00:20,893
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah.

1242
01:00:22,653 --> 01:00:24,173
Speaker 5: We actually one of my fat mates asked me this

1243
01:00:24,253 --> 01:00:27,493
Speaker 5: last night and I just, you know, like it's I'm

1244
01:00:27,573 --> 01:00:29,333
Speaker 5: exactly where I want to be, doing exactly what I

1245
01:00:29,413 --> 01:00:32,533
Speaker 5: want to do. As I say, it was a big

1246
01:00:32,573 --> 01:00:34,653
Speaker 5: decision to come up to Auckland five years ago, but

1247
01:00:34,813 --> 01:00:38,453
Speaker 5: since then I've never looked back. They've been awesome, treated

1248
01:00:38,493 --> 01:00:41,933
Speaker 5: me so good as Liam She had been from christ

1249
01:00:41,933 --> 01:00:43,973
Speaker 5: which thought, you know, the reception I got up here

1250
01:00:44,053 --> 01:00:47,773
Speaker 5: might be a bit mixed, but everyone's just been incredible,

1251
01:00:47,853 --> 01:00:53,373
Speaker 5: welcoming with open arms, giving me great opportunities, helped me

1252
01:00:53,453 --> 01:00:56,453
Speaker 5: out off the field, on the field and in terms

1253
01:00:56,493 --> 01:01:01,733
Speaker 5: of playing career. Like I'm twenty four, I love live

1254
01:01:01,773 --> 01:01:03,213
Speaker 5: in New Zealand. I love living in New Zealand, I

1255
01:01:03,213 --> 01:01:04,933
Speaker 5: love living in Auckland, love being able to go back

1256
01:01:04,933 --> 01:01:07,733
Speaker 5: to Krash each MPC, And yeah, it was it was

1257
01:01:07,733 --> 01:01:08,573
Speaker 5: a no brainer.

1258
01:01:08,453 --> 01:01:12,293
Speaker 2: As you mentioned earlier, so round about late July potentially

1259
01:01:12,413 --> 01:01:15,493
Speaker 2: for a return to the park if you alloyed yourself,

1260
01:01:15,573 --> 01:01:17,933
Speaker 2: maybe thought of when hopefully you might be able to

1261
01:01:17,973 --> 01:01:19,813
Speaker 2: get back in the All Blacks environment, if you get

1262
01:01:19,813 --> 01:01:22,453
Speaker 2: a few games under your belt or the direct distance.

1263
01:01:22,733 --> 01:01:24,813
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's obviously the goal, but I think.

1264
01:01:26,533 --> 01:01:29,453
Speaker 5: You know, I know that I haven't played a game

1265
01:01:29,533 --> 01:01:32,973
Speaker 5: in eight months or whatever, so you know, I know

1266
01:01:33,093 --> 01:01:34,493
Speaker 5: that I've got to get some game time onder my

1267
01:01:34,573 --> 01:01:36,773
Speaker 5: belt first and that's going to be through the NPC,

1268
01:01:37,133 --> 01:01:39,693
Speaker 5: and I'm really excited about that. And obviously it's very unfortunate.

1269
01:01:39,773 --> 01:01:41,733
Speaker 5: And you know, at the start of the year I

1270
01:01:41,773 --> 01:01:45,053
Speaker 5: set myself some goals and have had to tweak them

1271
01:01:45,133 --> 01:01:48,493
Speaker 5: because of the injury. And you know, I'm at peace

1272
01:01:48,533 --> 01:01:50,253
Speaker 5: with whatever. I just I'm just keen to get out

1273
01:01:50,253 --> 01:01:54,213
Speaker 5: and just play footy to be fair, and that it'll

1274
01:01:54,253 --> 01:01:57,093
Speaker 5: be with Canterbury to start, and whether that looks different

1275
01:01:57,133 --> 01:01:58,813
Speaker 5: down the line. I'm not sure, but I'd say that

1276
01:01:59,253 --> 01:02:01,013
Speaker 5: it's like you're going to be MPC for me this year,

1277
01:02:01,053 --> 01:02:04,093
Speaker 5: which is which is very exciting. Been with Kenneby for

1278
01:02:04,133 --> 01:02:07,533
Speaker 5: about six years now, I think, and haven't I haven't

1279
01:02:07,533 --> 01:02:11,213
Speaker 5: won a championship, so it's a pretty messive goal. And

1280
01:02:11,653 --> 01:02:13,373
Speaker 5: I've got a lot of really good mates down there

1281
01:02:13,453 --> 01:02:16,453
Speaker 5: that I've kind of come through the academy with, played

1282
01:02:16,653 --> 01:02:19,813
Speaker 5: rugby at school against and Worth, so it's a team

1283
01:02:19,813 --> 01:02:22,213
Speaker 5: I love playing for and can't wait to get down there.

1284
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Speaker 3: What about away from the field, Yeah, you have a

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01:02:25,733 --> 01:02:30,093
Speaker 3: bit of balance lifestyle. What do you how do you

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01:02:30,133 --> 01:02:32,853
Speaker 3: sort of balance it because it is very intense rugby,

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01:02:32,933 --> 01:02:36,773
Speaker 3: you know, you can can be all consuming and you're

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Speaker 3: still a young man. It's important to have other other interests.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely in terms of hobbies and stuff.

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01:02:43,173 --> 01:02:45,213
Speaker 5: I love golf, love my golf. I'm not very good

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01:02:45,213 --> 01:02:48,813
Speaker 5: at it, but as they love it. You've got a

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01:02:48,853 --> 01:02:50,973
Speaker 5: good crew up here and down to christ who like

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01:02:51,053 --> 01:02:52,933
Speaker 5: to get out. So that's actually been quite a tough

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01:02:52,973 --> 01:02:54,293
Speaker 5: part of the injury as I haven't been able a

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01:02:54,373 --> 01:02:57,853
Speaker 5: goal for either, so kind of my two kind of

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Speaker 5: main loves my goal for my footy. You've been taken away,

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Speaker 5: so it's been difficult. But no, and other than that,

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Speaker 5: I love very social, Like I love spending time with

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Speaker 5: my friends, and that's an awesome part about christ each

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Speaker 5: Orklane as well as I've got friends and family and

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01:03:12,213 --> 01:03:13,893
Speaker 5: christ Chach and a lot of friends up here as well,

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01:03:14,013 --> 01:03:16,133
Speaker 5: so we got to kind of bounce between the two

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01:03:16,213 --> 01:03:19,533
Speaker 5: is awesome. And even like through this injury period, that's

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01:03:19,693 --> 01:03:22,853
Speaker 5: that's kind of a good time to focus a bit

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01:03:22,893 --> 01:03:25,053
Speaker 5: more on that. You know, you get a wee bit

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01:03:25,093 --> 01:03:27,773
Speaker 5: more time to you know, your weekends are is busy

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01:03:27,853 --> 01:03:29,893
Speaker 5: with games and stuff, so you can go out for

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01:03:30,013 --> 01:03:32,613
Speaker 5: lunch or see people, or go for some trips away

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01:03:32,693 --> 01:03:35,973
Speaker 5: or whatever. And I guess I've loved that aspect of

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01:03:37,133 --> 01:03:40,693
Speaker 5: the injury. I guess it's probably the only shining light maybe,

1311
01:03:40,773 --> 01:03:44,613
Speaker 5: But yeah, like I've moved in with some mates from

1312
01:03:44,693 --> 01:03:46,613
Speaker 5: school and a flat up here for this kind of

1313
01:03:46,613 --> 01:03:48,613
Speaker 5: six months as opposed to living with rugby players that

1314
01:03:48,613 --> 01:03:50,773
Speaker 5: I've done for the last four years since I've been

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01:03:50,853 --> 01:03:53,973
Speaker 5: up here. So yeah, I guess he's the injury is

1316
01:03:53,973 --> 01:03:55,693
Speaker 5: a bit of an opportunity to get away from rugby

1317
01:03:55,773 --> 01:03:59,693
Speaker 5: webit so that when I come back, I'm fresh excited

1318
01:03:59,733 --> 01:04:01,613
Speaker 5: to kind of get stuck in for hopefully a decent

1319
01:04:01,653 --> 01:04:03,293
Speaker 5: stint of injury free footy.

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Speaker 3: And obviously your heart and even everything's a vista in

1321
01:04:06,293 --> 01:04:09,813
Speaker 3: the Blues. But who do you say he is odds

1322
01:04:09,893 --> 01:04:12,373
Speaker 3: on favorite? So I used to win sleeper this year.

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01:04:13,533 --> 01:04:17,293
Speaker 5: Well, I mean we're not out of it yet, We're

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01:04:17,333 --> 01:04:21,973
Speaker 5: still Yeah, so I think I honestly reckon, Like we've

1325
01:04:22,053 --> 01:04:25,173
Speaker 5: showed in that game in Hamilton and that game in

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01:04:25,253 --> 01:04:28,933
Speaker 5: christ Hitch. You know, we were within a point or

1327
01:04:28,973 --> 01:04:31,213
Speaker 5: two of beating the two top teams in the comp

1328
01:04:31,413 --> 01:04:36,893
Speaker 5: is on the table. So I think we obviously now

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01:04:36,933 --> 01:04:38,333
Speaker 5: it's a we've been out of a control, but if

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01:04:38,373 --> 01:04:41,253
Speaker 5: we beat the Tars and a few other results go away,

1331
01:04:41,293 --> 01:04:43,453
Speaker 5: we sneak and I think we're going to be very dangerous.

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01:04:43,533 --> 01:04:47,413
Speaker 5: But outside of us, I think, you know, it's the

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01:04:47,453 --> 01:04:49,133
Speaker 5: Crusaders and Chiefs says it has kind of been the

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01:04:49,213 --> 01:04:54,253
Speaker 5: last two, three, four, whatever it is years. You know

1335
01:04:54,333 --> 01:04:55,853
Speaker 5: that game down there a couple of weeks ago was

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01:04:55,893 --> 01:04:58,533
Speaker 5: awesome and the Chiefs probably showed that the potential of

1337
01:04:58,573 --> 01:05:01,453
Speaker 5: the team to beat you know, they've gone to the

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01:05:01,493 --> 01:05:03,253
Speaker 5: final the last two years and their own haven't quite

1339
01:05:03,293 --> 01:05:05,733
Speaker 5: got over the two year in our own haven't quite

1340
01:05:05,733 --> 01:05:08,093
Speaker 5: got over the humps, So you know they've got that

1341
01:05:08,773 --> 01:05:10,773
Speaker 5: fuel I guess to try and.

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01:05:12,333 --> 01:05:13,733
Speaker 4: You know, go one more, I guess.

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01:05:14,533 --> 01:05:16,253
Speaker 5: But then obviously you got the Crusaders coming off a

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01:05:16,733 --> 01:05:20,493
Speaker 5: down season last year as well, so based on form

1345
01:05:20,573 --> 01:05:21,973
Speaker 5: this year, I think those two the teams to beat,

1346
01:05:22,013 --> 01:05:23,733
Speaker 5: but I wouldn't ride us off just yet.

1347
01:05:24,853 --> 01:05:27,613
Speaker 3: And you said you're a big student of the game,

1348
01:05:27,813 --> 01:05:30,773
Speaker 3: do you do you see any big shifts or evolutions

1349
01:05:31,693 --> 01:05:34,493
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years, both, I guess personally

1350
01:05:34,573 --> 01:05:36,853
Speaker 3: and stylistically in terms of teams.

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01:05:37,853 --> 01:05:39,413
Speaker 5: I think as I kind of touched on around that

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01:05:39,573 --> 01:05:42,613
Speaker 5: kind of the approach we kind of took to the

1353
01:05:42,653 --> 01:05:46,013
Speaker 5: game last year around not as much structure, kind of

1354
01:05:46,773 --> 01:05:51,373
Speaker 5: more one off or even know, zero pass plays. As

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01:05:51,373 --> 01:05:54,213
Speaker 5: I say, it's quite a European style. And you know,

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01:05:54,373 --> 01:05:57,093
Speaker 5: we're in New Zealand have often like to kind of

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01:05:57,133 --> 01:05:59,933
Speaker 5: back our skill set. Obviously we've got big players, but

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01:06:00,053 --> 01:06:02,213
Speaker 5: compared to South Africa and France, we're potentially not the

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01:06:02,813 --> 01:06:08,693
Speaker 5: most physically or most biggest teams, I guess. But yeah,

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01:06:08,733 --> 01:06:10,773
Speaker 5: I guess in Super Rugby. That's probably been the approach

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01:06:10,773 --> 01:06:14,413
Speaker 5: I've noticed. I know Mardy Burke's the attack coach with

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01:06:14,493 --> 01:06:17,653
Speaker 5: the Chiefs. He tried to implement a bit of that

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01:06:17,773 --> 01:06:21,013
Speaker 5: kind of game playing game style with us at Kennerby

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01:06:21,133 --> 01:06:24,733
Speaker 5: last year, and I guess he's adopted that with the Chiefs.

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01:06:26,213 --> 01:06:29,453
Speaker 5: And as I say, it's being from coming through the

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01:06:29,493 --> 01:06:32,453
Speaker 5: academy and everything, you're always taught to use your skill. See,

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01:06:32,533 --> 01:06:35,293
Speaker 5: not that we're not in this style, but yeah, it's

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01:06:35,293 --> 01:06:39,573
Speaker 5: definitely definitely a different style and I think especially potentially

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01:06:39,613 --> 01:06:40,973
Speaker 5: with those new kicking laws as well.

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Speaker 4: Don't know if I'm the biggest fan of them.

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Speaker 5: It's probably something we've struggled to weave it with at

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01:06:46,413 --> 01:06:48,013
Speaker 5: the Blues this year as well. Around not being able

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01:06:48,013 --> 01:06:52,893
Speaker 5: to protect the catcher. You see teams kicking a lot more,

1374
01:06:52,973 --> 01:06:55,333
Speaker 5: you know, not over playing in their own halves as much.

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01:06:56,213 --> 01:06:58,293
Speaker 5: You know, you kind of won two three rucks in

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01:06:58,333 --> 01:06:59,533
Speaker 5: the middle of the field and if you're not going

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01:06:59,533 --> 01:07:02,613
Speaker 5: anywhere getting to a kick, because it's essentially if the

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01:07:02,693 --> 01:07:05,733
Speaker 5: kick's good, it's a fifty to fifty because you're you know,

1379
01:07:05,813 --> 01:07:07,853
Speaker 5: the attacking team are the defending teams always trying to

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01:07:07,893 --> 01:07:09,893
Speaker 5: catch it where the attacking teams just coming and trying

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01:07:09,893 --> 01:07:13,693
Speaker 5: to tap it back. And as I say, it's not

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01:07:13,813 --> 01:07:17,413
Speaker 5: a role I'm a big fan of, just for a

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01:07:17,493 --> 01:07:20,133
Speaker 5: number of reasons. But you know, it's, as I say,

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01:07:20,173 --> 01:07:21,893
Speaker 5: it's the way it is, and teams have had to

1385
01:07:21,933 --> 01:07:24,533
Speaker 5: adapt to that, whether it be around the pressure they're

1386
01:07:24,533 --> 01:07:28,013
Speaker 5: putting on the kicker or work under the high ball

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01:07:28,493 --> 01:07:31,053
Speaker 5: and all that kind of things. As I say, probably

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01:07:31,093 --> 01:07:32,693
Speaker 5: something we haven't adapted too well. With the Blues in

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01:07:32,693 --> 01:07:34,893
Speaker 5: the weekend you saw a wee bit of it trying

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01:07:34,933 --> 01:07:36,613
Speaker 5: to tap it back and people picking it up. It

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01:07:36,693 --> 01:07:39,613
Speaker 5: just kind of creates a bit of chaos. So I

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01:07:39,653 --> 01:07:41,733
Speaker 5: guess that's probably something you're talking about with that style

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01:07:41,773 --> 01:07:44,413
Speaker 5: of play. Yeah, but those are probably the two things

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01:07:44,413 --> 01:07:45,333
Speaker 5: I've noticed this year.

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01:07:45,933 --> 01:07:47,813
Speaker 2: We'll see. I really appreciate you coming in for rugby

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01:07:47,893 --> 01:07:49,533
Speaker 2: ric mist like with the rehabit the next couple months

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01:07:49,573 --> 01:07:51,333
Speaker 2: and looking forward to seeing you back on the park

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01:07:51,453 --> 01:07:53,173
Speaker 2: in Julyish.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate it, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Interesting for Sam Dearry and very much looking forward to

1401
01:07:56,493 --> 01:07:58,333
Speaker 2: seeing him back out in the park for the Mighty

1402
01:07:58,853 --> 01:08:01,853
Speaker 2: Canterbury in a bit of NPC preseason and who knows

1403
01:08:01,893 --> 01:08:03,213
Speaker 2: maybe back in the All Black set at some point

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01:08:03,293 --> 01:08:03,853
Speaker 2: later in the year.

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01:08:04,013 --> 01:08:06,493
Speaker 3: Smart man, doesn't he given the Crusaders the side step?

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01:08:07,293 --> 01:08:09,693
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't realize that he wasn't even a Crusaders fan.

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01:08:10,573 --> 01:08:12,893
Speaker 2: I went to supported from from way back, so my

1408
01:08:13,013 --> 01:08:16,693
Speaker 2: respector has grown. No, he's a top blokers sam Darien,

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01:08:16,733 --> 01:08:18,133
Speaker 2: as I say, looking forward to seeing him out on

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01:08:18,213 --> 01:08:20,133
Speaker 2: the park again soon. That'll do us right the direct

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01:08:20,173 --> 01:08:22,493
Speaker 2: sir with Habit Health taking all your aches and pains

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01:08:22,493 --> 01:08:24,413
Speaker 2: from support and work. Thanks to Last and Bars English.

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Speaker 2: We will see you next week.

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