1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Murray Old's Ossie correspondence with us A mus. 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 2: Very good afternoon, Heather, Hey tell me before we get 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: to elbow, tell me the latest with the Mushroom cook trial. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 3: Well, the prosecution, I mean, we're into the seventh week now, 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 3: and the prosecution forensically detailing its case against Miss Patterson, 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 3: and basically the prosecutioners saying, you've been telling lives all 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 3: the way along. You told lives about a string of things, including, 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: you know, having cancer when you didn't have cancer, basically saying, 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: why on earth would you be believed? The most recent 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 3: example came today, Miss Patterson still on the witness stand. Now, 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 3: as we all know, July twenty twenty three, she had 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 3: the in laws over for lunch and other relatives and 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 3: three of the four died. Now, it was put to 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 3: Miss Patterson that that she actually had a different plate. 15 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: She had an orange plate and the guests had gray plates. 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: And the prosecution says, well, you do that because you 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: knew you didn't want to have one of these dreadful 18 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: beef Wellington's, because they were absolutely you know, they were 19 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: licensed to kill, So you made sure you had your 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: own lunch on an orange plate. No, no, no, she says, no, no, no, 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: I had the same plates, the same plates as my guests. 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: She's always denied the you know, the allegations, and it's look, 23 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 3: it's almost painful to be following this now because she 24 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: just looks so discobopulated. She's either you know, spun this 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 3: entirely elaborate, false kind of web, or she is genuinely 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,639 Speaker 3: in need of some of some very serious help. Because 27 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 3: she just looks dreadful on the stand. 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: I'm afraid you must do you think they've made a 29 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: mistake putting her on the stand. 30 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: Look, I'm not a lawyer. I have no idea, but 31 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: you know, I mean I thought one a one law 32 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: you never put your own your own defense. You know, 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 3: the person who's in the who was charged with triple 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: murder on Earth? Would you put them in the stand 35 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: and explosion be cross examination? That would be my sort 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: of first thought there. Yeah, because she's making she just looks, 37 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 3: she looks dreadful. And if she is, you know, if 38 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 3: she has mental health issues, well now who knows, does 39 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: she or doesn't she? I've got no idea, never better, 40 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 3: I've never heard her speak. But there's massive interest in 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 3: this trial, as you know, and she just is making 42 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: a complete hash of her own defense. It looks to 43 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: me from this distance and. 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: There does seem it. Hey, okay, so what do you 45 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 2: make of Elbow speaking to the National Priests Club and 46 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 2: what do you have to say? 47 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: Well, as you said in that clip, I mean it's 48 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: his first big speech, the big sit down after the 49 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: thumping election went Labor with ninety four seats into one 50 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty seat parliament. You've got forty three for 51 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 3: the coalition, forty three to ninety four, thirteen on the 52 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 3: cross bench. Now we did expect. In fact, this speech 53 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: was widely well, it wasn't leaked. It was given to 54 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: all the journals in Cambra beforehand. But look you didn't 55 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 3: extemporize a bit and they look the key takeaway for me, 56 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: and this has echoes of Bob Hawk over forty years ago, 57 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty three. Bob Hawk beat Malcolm Fraser in nineteen 58 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: eighty three, and the first thing he's done is say, right, 59 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 3: we're going to convene a roundtable of unions and businesses. 60 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: We're going to work out and accord to get this 61 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: country moving. Because back then the same as the Federation 62 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: of labor in New Zealand so fractious. There are strikes, 63 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: to be a strike at Christmas, but he postal strike 64 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: at Christmas. There were strikes with Bundan all the time. 65 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: So Bob Hawk sorted that out and it seems to 66 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: be what Albaneze's suggesting now. At the start of a 67 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: thumping majority with his second termb he told the treasure 68 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: of Jim Charmers, I want you to convene a productivity summit. 69 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: Productivity identified by business, by the opposition and by the government. 70 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: That's the key thing we're going to get driving here. 71 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: So he wants business leaders, union leaders, civil society. You know, 72 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: I guess whatever that might be. They didn't want them 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: to sit down in Parliament in August and maybe set 74 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: the stage for something pretty ambitious. Who knows if they 75 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: can get all these people working together on the same 76 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: song sheet. Because I'm sure the Opposition will get invite 77 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: maybe we can see a rerun of Bob Hawk because 78 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 3: he transformed the country. Australia desperately needs tax reform. You 79 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: can't keep relying on income tax. You've got to broaden 80 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: the you know, the consumption tax base. It's so narrow 81 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 3: and it's not paying its way. So will they have 82 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 3: the courage, the political courage to spend some of that 83 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 3: political capital and take on tax reform. Who knows, but 84 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: certainly he set the stage today for you know, a 85 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: suggestion that maybe he might. 86 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: Mars, it's good to talk to you, as it always is. 87 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you in a couple of days. Again. 88 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: That's Murray Old's Australia correspondent. 89 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 2: Thank you for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen 90 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, 91 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.