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Speaker 1: So to these stats on migration in the years of July,

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Speaker 1: our neck gain is down to thirteen one hundred. July

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Speaker 1: itself numbers were up fourteen thousand, which is eight percent

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Speaker 1: more than July of last year. So, like all these things,

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Speaker 1: it depends on how you read it. Marcus Beveridge, as

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Speaker 1: the managing director of Immigration lawyer at Quen City Lawren's

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Speaker 1: back with It's Marcus morning.

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Speaker 2: Hey Mike hanging well.

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Speaker 1: I am. My great concern is that we get to

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Speaker 1: less than zero and we're a net exporter of people.

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Speaker 1: Do you see it getting down to that or are

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Speaker 1: we bottoming out here?

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Speaker 2: We really need to sort of grab this and do

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Speaker 2: a bit of an engine rebar instead of tweaking around

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Speaker 2: the side. So I think half of the citizens leaving

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Speaker 2: New Zealand going to Ossie weren't born here and they

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Speaker 2: have to remain. You know, new residents have to stay

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Speaker 2: here for five years before they become citizens of New

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Speaker 2: Zealand then can jump across the ditch. So that's one

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Speaker 2: thing we could extend that period. But we know when

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Speaker 2: less people coming, less work is less tax and take,

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Speaker 2: it can turn into a bit of a vicious cycle.

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Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of the people leaving probably

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Speaker 2: are more to the right of politics, so it means

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Speaker 2: that the left sort of has a much better chance

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Speaker 2: of getting in power in the mad hatters, and then

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Speaker 2: it becomes a banana republic here.

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Speaker 1: Marcus, you just enterprising me. You're following the Just Enterprise

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Speaker 1: story in Australia bringing in the Indian voters and they

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Speaker 1: all vote labor.

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Speaker 2: There you have it. Well, I think they're I think

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Speaker 2: they're quite a malleable sort of community, and they afflick

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Speaker 2: to which episode works for them at the time.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, as far as the people leaving versus

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Speaker 1: the people coming in, Peters makes the speech over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: I thought was interesting. Thirty percent of people in this

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Speaker 1: country now weren't born here. Did you know that?

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Speaker 2: I no, I didn't know that precisely. But I've been

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Speaker 2: waiting for Winston to fire up for immigration because he

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Speaker 2: sort of sticks to his knitting.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't he Yes, he does. But that's an interesting stat

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Speaker 1: isn't that. We've seen, have we not, in the last

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Speaker 1: handful of years a profound change in the makeup of

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Speaker 1: this country population wise? We have?

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Speaker 2: And and the thing is, if you look at someone

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Speaker 2: like Ronald Reagan and his speech to America about replenishing

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Speaker 2: and refreshing the stock of people coming through buying into

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Speaker 2: the American dream. New Zealand is still widely seen as

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Speaker 2: the land of milk and honey, and if we open

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Speaker 2: the door we get a big influx of immigration that

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Speaker 2: the migrants have very small, short memories, so even if

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Speaker 2: we don't think we're doing that well, they still think

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Speaker 2: it's a wonderful country. So if we get the settings right,

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Speaker 2: we can actually kind of stimulate a lot of activity here.

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Speaker 1: So the key is in the setting. Is always good

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Speaker 1: to have you on the program. Marks Beverbridge, Managing Director

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Speaker 1: of Immigration lawyer at Queen City Law. This Morning. For

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