1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes, 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: uniquely for you to our panel. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: Cleared the Lord Journalists, good evening, good evening, and Craig 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: Rannie Seid to you economists with us this evening as well. Craig, 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: good evening to. 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 3: You, Good even Hi Greg. 7 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: Great to have you both here. Forty years since the 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: bombing of the Rainbow Warrior. So many stories coming out today. 9 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: I interviewed a woman this morning actually who was the cook, 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: the chef on board the boat as it was, you know, 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: because it was hit twice, two bombs seven minutes apart. 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: Just amazing to look back on that and think that 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 2: it was, you know, the French secret service that did it. 14 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 4: Clear I know, as it unfolded, it seemed just as unreal, 15 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 4: unbelievable really, even though you know it had happened in 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 4: front of our very eyes, more or less. The idea 17 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 4: that the French were behind it, somebody we'd fought in 18 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 4: not that many years earlier than the Second World War 19 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 4: fought four the French was pretty amazing, but the anti 20 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 4: nuclear thing had kicked off big time at that stage, 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 4: and I'm afraid we found ourselves with allies who really 22 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 4: didn't have to finger in either protest or in any 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 4: other way. 24 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: And then two years later we really cemented that stance, 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: that anti nuclear stance, Craig, do you I wonder whether 26 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: you think we would have done that if the rain 27 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: Bow Warrior thing hadn't happened. 28 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: You know, I think it was certainly a cuff list. 29 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: I think it's certainly helped, But I like to think 30 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: that New Zealand as a country has had a long 31 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 3: and honorable position of you know, of supporting anti nuclear 32 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: compians and certainly being a country that doesn't want to 33 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: see nuclear weapons here. I think, you know, it certainly helped, 34 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: but I think in the long run, I can't see 35 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 3: New Zealand as a country either supporting USULO weapons or 36 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: supporting countries storing nudulo weapons in it in our country. 37 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: Do you think it makes the world safer having clear 38 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: having nuclear weapons as a as a deterrent? 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know, mutually assured destruction, you know, mad, 40 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 4: complete madness and insanity behind that belief. Whether or not 41 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 4: it has any veracity, it's really hard to say because 42 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 4: we never want to see it tested. But if it's 43 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 4: absolutely true. That means every country should have a little 44 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 4: arsenal that can take out their nearest neighbor or there 45 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 4: are closest perceived threat. I just think it's it's just 46 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 4: a very sad indictment on us that that should be 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 4: the case. And meanwhile, it's not as if the world 48 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 4: has been completely peaceful. Now there have been millions of 49 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: people ding in conflicts with conventional arms. 50 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: All around the world. 51 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely, but the fact that it hasn't escalated into a 52 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: global into a World War III. Craig, is that because 53 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: everyone's too scared because someone will bring out a nuke. 54 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 3: I think it helps, but I mean, you know, it's 55 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: I guess the question is security for who? Because you know, 56 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: we have various Third world countries around the world, as 57 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 3: Claire has said, haven't seen security for decades, been conflicts 58 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 3: ranging across Africa, across Asia. We've seen, you know, there's 59 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: been security for those nations that have held nuclear weapons. 60 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: I think it'd all be more secure if those nuclear 61 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: weapons disappeared off the planet. 62 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 4: The other thing is, after the war, there was the 63 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 4: development of all the multinational organizations and treaties, and until 64 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: the most recent iteration of madness by way of various 65 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 4: administrations we won't name, they have been observed. And I 66 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: think the worst thing that could have happened now is 67 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 4: non proliferation treaties will be very hard to get people 68 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 4: to sign up. 69 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: But you can't say clear that you know that NATO 70 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: that well. You can't say that the u WIN, the 71 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: advent of the U WIN has stopped World War three. 72 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: It's it's that plus some firepower on the back, you 73 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: know what I mean. 74 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 4: It's put some moral pressure on countries. It has brought 75 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 4: together countries where they have to get together and meet 76 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 4: at the generalists. They have to eyeball and meet face 77 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 4: to face with some people that they cannot stomach. They 78 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 4: sometimes have to sit around the same table as them. 79 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 4: But now we see that you and rendered moralist, toothless 80 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 4: and if you have a look at you in Security Council, 81 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 4: it's completely bonkers joke. 82 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, the owners of a women's weekly, the listeners 83 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: some really vital staples in your magazine bookshelf. Looking for 84 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: a buyer for these magazines, Craig, do you still read them? 85 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: I read magazines, but I think like many other people, Ryan, 86 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 3: I read them online. I don't read them in their 87 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: physical copy. I don't go to the you know, the 88 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 3: news agent, so the supermarket and buy them anymore. The 89 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: magazines I read, you know, they all tend to be 90 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 3: published online, Like The Economist that's already online. You know, 91 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 3: the Listener that's online, and it's just easier. And that's 92 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: where I tend to do. If I'm reading a magazine article, 93 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 3: I'll read it just like I read any of their 94 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: article I read on their website. 95 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, magazine in their paper form have certainly had their 96 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 4: glory days. They're behind them, and nearly everybody has got 97 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 4: on their phone a little digital library. However, that digital 98 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 4: library has to be curated rather well, and I'd have 99 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 4: to say that in some of these titles have fallen 100 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 4: well behind. They don't have their own app. For example, 101 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 4: the Listener that I wrote for for a number of years, 102 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 4: it doesn't have its own app that you can easily 103 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 4: open as you can for example, as Craig says, with 104 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 4: The Economist, and it's just sitting there for you. So 105 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 4: I think with the fall and advertising revenues, the increased 106 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 4: costs of paper for example, postage delivery, and people's changed habits, 107 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 4: I think it's probably going to be hard to find 108 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 4: an owner that's going to pay very much for these titles. 109 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 3: The one thing I would say that it's you know, 110 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: we're all going to mess that long form curated journalism 111 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 3: that produces. 112 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean hopefully someone picks them up. It's 113 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: not the end of the story for these titles because 114 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 2: a couple, particularly Women's Weekly and The Listener, I think 115 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: are both brilliant and in very different ways. But reflect 116 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: to New Zealand. 117 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 4: You've been a coverboy on one of them all. 118 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: Right, many times, many times. It's no wonder they're not 119 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 2: flying off the shelves. 120 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 4: Need to get you on the cover again. 121 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: Cleared the Law journalist Craig g Reennie on The Huddle 122 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: Tonight Cleared the Law and Craig Greennie on The Huddle Tonight, 123 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: Teen Away from six. Craig, what do you think is 124 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: more important one thousand human jobs or ten thousand lizards. 125 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 3: Oh, it's a balance, but I think the lizards have 126 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 3: to be providing a lot of GDP to get past 127 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 3: that thousand human jobs. 128 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: So you're on the side of the humans, You're on 129 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: the side of commerce. 130 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: I'm I'm on the side of transnixture of people have 131 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 3: incomes that they have, they have job security, communities have 132 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: something to look forward to. And you know, it's always 133 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: it's always a struggle. It's always a balance to balance 134 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 3: the needs of the bias, you know, the environment. But 135 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: we can we can probably do this better than we 136 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: do it now. 137 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 4: Clear Yeah, I agree. I want the lizards. I want 138 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 4: the jobs. I want the lizard to be relocated. I 139 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 4: want their DNA preserves so Peter Jackson can help us 140 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: up if something goes wrong. And I want the mining companies, 141 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 4: whatever licenses they get, I want them to be strictly supervised, 142 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 4: and I want them to come down on like a 143 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 4: ton of bricks if they don't, you know, observe their 144 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 4: right to mine. 145 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: Because the thing about it is we are as you know, 146 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 2: tourism's up there in terms of our export earners, and 147 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 2: people do come because they like to look at nice things, 148 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: not mine, So there is an economic argument for protecting 149 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: them too. 150 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: But the lizards live under rocks, so people can't go 151 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 4: and just easily observe them. And also they're going to 152 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 4: squash them walking over their territory to go and see them. 153 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: That's not going to work. Run you guys, something like 154 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: you just want to massacre that all the lizards. 155 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 4: Have you seen the Stockton open cast mining, Yes, where 156 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 4: they restore the ground. I mean, look, there are going 157 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 4: to be conservationists out there who hate me for this, 158 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 4: but I think it's as well done as it can be. 159 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: You can unfart and. 160 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 4: I think on the West Coast we have got to 161 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: the point where we don't let West Coasts move without 162 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 4: wanting to conserve every aspect of what's around them. The 163 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 4: natural beauty is phenomenal, but there's only like one percent 164 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 4: of it that has people living on it. Where people 165 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 4: do have to live, young people have to have a future. 166 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, we need opportunity in this country otherwise, as we've 167 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: seen from the stats today, we'll have more of them 168 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: leaving for Australia. Craig Renny and cleared the law on 169 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: the Huddle tonight. 170 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy, Allen Drive, listen live to 171 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 172 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.