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Speaker 1: Together do for cl David Seymours announced the first red

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Speaker 1: tape that he's cutting from early childhood centers from October.

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Speaker 1: Pay parity will only apply to permanent, part or full

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Speaker 1: time certified teachers, not to the relief teachers, and ecees

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Speaker 1: will not have to try it, will not have to

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Speaker 1: prove that they tried to find a certified teacher before

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Speaker 1: hiring a non certified teacher. Now, the Early Childhood Council CEO,

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Speaker 1: Simon lab is with us. Now, Hey, Simon, Hi, Heather.

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Speaker 1: So the pay parity thing applying to the relief teachers,

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Speaker 1: it seems to me that this is going to incentivize

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Speaker 1: them to stop being relief teachers but actually become permanent.

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Speaker 2: Is that the plan You've got to bang on, Heather.

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely right. And I think the other point is

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Speaker 2: why were they included in the first place, Because it

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Speaker 2: kind of beggars belief that you would, because you just

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Speaker 2: create a an inducement for them to leave teaching and

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Speaker 2: become relievers if you do so. Some real common sense

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Speaker 2: today from the government and goodredence to too lots of

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Speaker 2: red tape.

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Speaker 1: And I can understand why we don't want ece is

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Speaker 1: wasting their time trying to prove that they found a

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Speaker 1: certified Try that they try to find a certified teacher

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Speaker 1: if there's no certified teacher to find. But is it

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Speaker 1: less beneficial to the kids to have a non certified teacher.

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Speaker 1: Don't we want a certified teacher.

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Speaker 2: We do want certified teachers, but we do have a

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Speaker 2: teacher shortage as well. Neither of those changes will mean

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Speaker 2: less certified change less certified teachers. It doesn't affect that

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Speaker 2: we've got a limited number of certified teachers, and they'd

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Speaker 2: gravitated away from our employment into these third party relief

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Speaker 2: teacher agencies, which were then being charged back to us

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Speaker 2: at exorbitant rates. So today we'll turn the tide on

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Speaker 2: that and hopefully we'll actually see more certified teachers and

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Speaker 2: ecees because they'll want to get a job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Simon, Hey, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Simon Lobber,

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Speaker 1: Early Childhood Council CEO. For more from Hither Dupless Ellen Drive,

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