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Speaker 2: Hell are you great? You see us? Welcome to Matt

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Speaker 2: and Tyler Full Show podcast for Tuesday, the twenty fourth

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Speaker 2: of June twenty twenty five. It is podcast one five

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Speaker 2: to one.

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Speaker 3: Who and what a shot was today?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: We did we What topic did we drop? We dropped

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Speaker 2: a topic because the landlord tenant chat went so freaking wow.

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Speaker 2: Hoarders hoarders got to do horders tomorrow. I really want

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Speaker 2: to talk about hoarders, but we didn't get to hoarders.

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Speaker 2: So if you hear us introduce hoarders and you're excited

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Speaker 2: about it, turn off immediately and delete the podcast because

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Speaker 2: it's not happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And a lot of pushback against me today being

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Speaker 3: an elitist monopoly man who is just collecting my riches

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Speaker 2: He seems a little unfair as us clearly to be

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Speaker 2: someone that's just treading water and life. Exactly, you've been

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Speaker 2: turned into the monopoly rich guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And they had a great hour on phone

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Speaker 3: calls out of the blue. Why you should answer them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got pretty deep. Actually, I probably ruined the

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Speaker 2: byre bringing in the Canadian philosopher Marshall McLellan. That was

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Speaker 2: probably a little bit too deep. But then what are

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Speaker 2: you going to do?

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Speaker 3: Oh we love it when it goes deep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to talk about what I'm.

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Speaker 3: Going to talk about exactly. Download subscribe, give us a

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk

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Speaker 1: said the.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. Do you welcome into Tuesday show? Hope

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Speaker 3: you're doing swimmingly wherever you're listening to the country great,

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Speaker 3: They of your company is always good.

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Speaker 2: A man, get a Tyler, everyone, I'm throwing a sock

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Speaker 2: right now. I've just been throwing a sock out in

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Speaker 2: the Herald's sports department.

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Speaker 3: Tell me more.

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Speaker 2: Well, they all got invited to the IF one on

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Speaker 2: screening last night and I didn't get invited.

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Speaker 3: You were very very upset.

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Speaker 2: Normally I get invited to these movie screenings because I'm

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Speaker 2: a huge movie fan, and it's interstickted with being a

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Speaker 2: huge IF one fan. So this would be the perfect one.

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Speaker 2: I could have gone and they're all happy and joyful

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Speaker 2: about the going to see the excuse?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we had our news man Jordan done. He

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Speaker 2: I've been dropped off the screening list? Is that from

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Speaker 2: poor behavior at the screenings?

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Speaker 3: Do we need to call about this? Andrew? We got

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Speaker 3: to follow it too late? This is outrageous, too late

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Speaker 3: now it was last night. So what are you going

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Speaker 2: Just give it? Give it a bad review, that would

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Speaker 2: be so juvenile. Just make up a scathing review. The

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Speaker 3: I get caught out bitter days.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'll pay to go and see it on

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Speaker 2: Thursday night when it comes out. I guess I'll have

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry to hear you've got to do that, mate.

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Speaker 3: Times are tough. You gotta do what you gotta do.

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Speaker 2: It's a tough tough time to be me.

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Speaker 3: It certainly is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like thoughts and press off anyone nine

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or if you want to say hard enough nine

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Speaker 3: right on to today's show, and it is a doozy

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Speaker 3: if we do say so ourselves. After three o'clock, what

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Speaker 3: So a big story in the Herald today. It's been

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Speaker 3: of course normal for our parents to just pick up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So is it rude to just call people out?

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Speaker 3: After two, we're going to talk about hoarders. Nineteen complaints

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Speaker 2: Yourself, Yeah, how did it start and how bad did

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Speaker 2: if you are a hoarder or an ex hoarder, we'd

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Speaker 2: love to know you to explain it. How does it happen.

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Speaker 2: I can't get my head round it because I'm the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is after two o'clock. But right now, let's

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Speaker 3: have a chat about landlords versus tenants From July the first,

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Speaker 3: that is a week away today, all rental properties must

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Speaker 3: comply with these healthy home standards. So a good interview

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Speaker 3: this morning on herold Now with Ryan Bridge. He was

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Speaker 3: speaking to the head of Property Federation Met Bull and

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Speaker 5: I would say, and they're actually numbers to back this

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Speaker 5: up that eighty five percent of landlords and tenants are

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty good number.

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Speaker 5: That's from an NB survey of landlords and of renters.

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Speaker 2: So that's a great basis to build on.

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Speaker 5: There's a small number where yeah, there's a bit of

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Speaker 5: by the same token, you see stories about bad tenants

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Speaker 5: and bad landlords. It's great media to be honest story

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Speaker 3: So that was Head of the Property Federation, Matt Bull,

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Speaker 3: And that's not bad stats eighty five percent of landlords

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Speaker 3: But here's what Renters United Zach Thomas had to say.

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Speaker 6: When a tenant gets kicks out, they don't have a

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Speaker 6: is not equal, That is not fair.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's never going to be equal though. Is

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Speaker 2: it because someone owns the house and someone doesn't own

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Speaker 2: idea that landlords are rich. It's not. It's often not

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Speaker 2: their retirement, you know. It's it's just it's an interesting idea.

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Speaker 2: Not all landlords are slum lords, you know, running slum.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's not what they are. They're quite often

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Speaker 2: So I just think there's a really odd way of

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Speaker 2: conversation around around landlords and tenants. I mean, obviously tenants

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Speaker 2: have rights, but you just the portrayal ofandlords has been

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and as you know, I'm in the

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Speaker 3: agree with our healthy home standards, even though the process

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Speaker 3: was rarely punishing, and we want to hear from your

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Speaker 3: experiences on getting your home up to scratch with the

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Speaker 3: healthy home standards. Clearly there is some issues with those standards,

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Speaker 3: but we made sure that we got the right people

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Speaker 3: important to us because we're dog people, and we bent

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Speaker 3: over backwards. But now there's a few niggles. And this

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Speaker 3: is pretty much a brand new home. It's only seven

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Speaker 3: that and think, I see where landlords are coming from now,

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Speaker 3: because we have it feels like bent over backwards to

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Speaker 2: The house better than it was when you were happy

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: We spent thousands getting that house up to scratch, which,

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Speaker 3: again I think the healthy home standards is the right

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Speaker 3: thing to do. But some of the niggles coming through

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Speaker 3: They just a normal house. These are normal niggles that

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Speaker 3: O E. One hundred and eighty ten eighty that balance

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And what about just people that want to live

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Speaker 2: in a rubbish house and pay much less? You know,

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Speaker 2: what about their rights? I mean when I first moved

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Speaker 2: on Areki Street that wouldn't pass anything I was as

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Speaker 2: a young man. I was quite happy living in that shit.

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Speaker 3: The price was right.

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Speaker 2: My girlfriend broke up with me after staying one night

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Speaker 2: in there. She was like, there's like rats the under

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Speaker 2: the boards. But I was happy there. So what about

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Speaker 2: the rights from absolute scum moving up from the South

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Speaker 2: Island that just want live in Squalor for a while

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Speaker 2: where they get on their feet in a new city.

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Speaker 3: It's very good point. If you're a South Island scum

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Speaker 3: and you're living in a shed. Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. It is fourteen

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Speaker 3: past one. Begvery shortly.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 4: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon.

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Speaker 2: It is sixteen past one, Hey, just before we go on.

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Speaker 2: This is something I should have said to a caller

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Speaker 3: All right, nicely said news talk Zebby all right, we

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Speaker 3: But how do you feel as a lenant? As a tenants?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: So basically, in this you can own a house, you

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Speaker 3: Does that mean everything subsidized, because as it stands right now,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and property developers sometimes get a bad name, but

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but thank you for your text. Jeff, what's your

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Speaker 8: I'm a tenant and my landlord is fantastic, gives me

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Speaker 8: I don't know. There was something about moisturizing about of

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Speaker 3: That was the moisture barrier.

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Speaker 8: Yep, that was yeah, yeah, yeah, everything's perfected. And I

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Speaker 3: Fun And that was a relationship from the get go, Jeef.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like you're a very good tenant as well.

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Speaker 3: It goes both ways, right that you look after his

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, totally. We've been here since twenty eighteen, and

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Speaker 8: See, even like me and my wife both lost their

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Speaker 8: That's cool.

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Speaker 9: See.

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Speaker 2: I think the majority of landlords are good, good people

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Speaker 8: Know, well, he lives right next to us. Okay, we

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Speaker 8: I help him get help them give it to trees

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want this to sound and sensitive, Chief,

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Speaker 10: To hear that.

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Speaker 3: But do you enjoy renting or as part of the plan,

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Speaker 8: Well, we own property in the Philippines. My wife's from there, right,

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Speaker 3: And why don't you want to stay in New Zealand?

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Speaker 8: I just find the Philippines is a much safer country,

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Speaker 3: Jeff. Fascinating to chat with you, but awesome to hear

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Speaker 3: What kind of dog have you got, by the.

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Speaker 8: Way, he's French bulldog?

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Speaker 7: Oh? Nice?

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Speaker 8: It's likely with then those points for han't been French?

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Speaker 3: Exactly, mate, exactly. Jeff, you're a good man. Thanks very

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Speaker 3: much for giving us a buzz. We'll let you get

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Speaker 8: I got reversing the car.

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Speaker 3: Ah nice, love it, Jeff, Thank you, Thank you very much. Mate. Oh,

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Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

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Speaker 3: keen to hear from you. If you're a landlord, do

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Speaker 3: as you say in your personal situation, you know, you're

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Speaker 2: Money into it.

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Speaker 3: We having a top up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you've got a tenant who is asking

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Speaker 3: Built two thousand and sixteen.

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Speaker 2: So twoenty and sixteen. They're asking to live better than

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Speaker 2: so many people that are landlords are in your position you're.

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Speaker 3: In and that's the galling thing that you know, And

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Speaker 3: They might just have the one house, the one asset,

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Speaker 3: sometimes it's very difficult. But can you get your stories? Oh,

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough question to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast,

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Speaker 9: All black squad for twenty five is our coach, Scott

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Speaker 7: And then you're always doing well, someone's going to tight

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Speaker 7: Still going all deep? So what's that? You know? Four

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, it's twenty seven past one and we're talking

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Speaker 3: landlords eighty five percent, and they've done research into this,

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Speaker 2: But that could be selection bias, right. So you know

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Speaker 2: So if you say eighty five percent of landlords are happy.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's because all the ones that couldn't manage it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very good point problem with surveys. Clint,

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Speaker 11: Yeah, hi guys, all right for the sound there, good quality.

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Speaker 2: You sound bloody great, Clint, fantastic.

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Speaker 11: Hey, just wanted to congratulate, congratulate you guys on an

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Speaker 11: awesome job you've been doing recently. Thank you and particularly

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Speaker 11: how I'm not sure which one of you, but yourself corrected,

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Speaker 11: you know when you realize, you know, creating a distinction

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Speaker 11: But did a great job of catching yourself and putting

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Speaker 11: It's entiler right, Yeah, yeah, great job. Lovely day here.

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Speaker 11: I just wanted to say, like, just real quote, what

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Speaker 11: tenant relationship be far more happy and mutually beneficial than

439
00:20:20,453 --> 00:20:24,253
Speaker 11: it is currently. It's been a real rough ride for

440
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Speaker 11: I think probably both sides of that in recent years

441
00:20:28,773 --> 00:20:32,013
Speaker 11: and for a long time really. I probably started renting

442
00:20:32,053 --> 00:20:35,853
Speaker 11: properties about thirty five years ago. I was only about

443
00:20:35,893 --> 00:20:40,373
Speaker 11: twenty years old, and it was pretty easy back then.

444
00:20:40,413 --> 00:20:45,933
Speaker 11: There weren't many clauses, regulations, fines, penalties. I think things

445
00:20:45,933 --> 00:20:48,453
Speaker 11: are going pretty well apart from there. I'm sure was

446
00:20:48,653 --> 00:20:54,813
Speaker 11: some cheeky landlords around providing anadequate accommodation, and no doubt

447
00:20:54,853 --> 00:20:57,533
Speaker 11: there's always going to be a few cheeky tenants which

448
00:20:57,533 --> 00:21:00,853
Speaker 11: are struggling and able to kind of you do everything

449
00:21:00,933 --> 00:21:03,053
Speaker 11: the landlord would like to just look after the rest.

450
00:21:03,093 --> 00:21:03,213
Speaker 12: Yet.

451
00:21:04,373 --> 00:21:07,173
Speaker 11: But I think, you know, I already trust in people's

452
00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:12,133
Speaker 11: innate nature, humanity in our core. I think by our

453
00:21:12,293 --> 00:21:14,773
Speaker 11: very existence and survival this far, we must be a

454
00:21:14,813 --> 00:21:18,253
Speaker 11: bunch of good thoughts to have actually not all destroyed

455
00:21:18,253 --> 00:21:20,773
Speaker 11: ourselves by now. And I'd love to see you know,

456
00:21:20,893 --> 00:21:22,933
Speaker 11: for me, the cause of the matter is just poorly

457
00:21:22,973 --> 00:21:28,493
Speaker 11: written regulations. It really shouldn't be a political football. It

458
00:21:28,533 --> 00:21:32,253
Speaker 11: should be based on the kind of basic values of humanity,

459
00:21:32,293 --> 00:21:37,133
Speaker 11: you know, like trust, fear, and we've all got to

460
00:21:37,133 --> 00:21:42,173
Speaker 11: contribute to a happy outcome. It just can't be one sided.

461
00:21:42,253 --> 00:21:44,693
Speaker 11: It needs to be balanced, and the responsibility of that

462
00:21:44,733 --> 00:21:48,333
Speaker 11: sits squarely on the Bee hype. I feel I'm not

463
00:21:48,373 --> 00:21:52,933
Speaker 11: sure who writes the laws, but whoever did well, I

464
00:21:52,973 --> 00:21:56,253
Speaker 11: think they need to rewrite them or get someone else

465
00:21:56,293 --> 00:21:59,413
Speaker 11: to do it, because, honestly, I think this is possibly

466
00:21:59,533 --> 00:22:05,493
Speaker 11: secondary school level logic, you know, it's really not rocket science.

467
00:22:06,093 --> 00:22:10,733
Speaker 11: And the mess that they've made, well, looking at the

468
00:22:10,813 --> 00:22:14,453
Speaker 11: current REGs the way, it's never been more punitive and

469
00:22:14,573 --> 00:22:18,853
Speaker 11: more complicated and more inefficient, and I fear that we're

470
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Speaker 11: going to end up with a lot of homeless people

471
00:22:21,133 --> 00:22:25,052
Speaker 11: as a torect result of regulations that were probably written

472
00:22:25,053 --> 00:22:29,373
Speaker 11: in good with good intentions, but they didn't think through

473
00:22:29,533 --> 00:22:33,213
Speaker 11: or worked through a real world scenarios of how they're

474
00:22:33,213 --> 00:22:37,493
Speaker 11: going to affect the markets that market. So you know,

475
00:22:37,573 --> 00:22:40,613
Speaker 11: at the moment, you can have someone living in your

476
00:22:40,653 --> 00:22:45,733
Speaker 11: house as an investment property, owing you thousands, tens of

477
00:22:45,733 --> 00:22:48,453
Speaker 11: thousands of dollars and have no right to remove them,

478
00:22:49,413 --> 00:22:51,893
Speaker 11: and well, sure there's a bunch of hoops you have

479
00:22:51,973 --> 00:22:54,293
Speaker 11: to jump through, but by the time you jump through

480
00:22:54,293 --> 00:22:56,893
Speaker 11: those hoops, it's gone from ten grand to twenty grand.

481
00:22:57,373 --> 00:23:00,572
Speaker 11: And that's not okay, and nor is it okay to

482
00:23:00,613 --> 00:23:06,613
Speaker 11: provide accommodation we can't breathe that is not safe or sanitary,

483
00:23:06,653 --> 00:23:11,933
Speaker 11: structurally sound, affecting, you know, tenants badly. And I don't

484
00:23:11,933 --> 00:23:14,693
Speaker 11: think there's many landlords. I can't imagine there being many

485
00:23:14,733 --> 00:23:17,973
Speaker 11: at all, like a tiny sliver that are out there going,

486
00:23:18,413 --> 00:23:24,013
Speaker 11: I'm going to chat huge rents for absolute shit house'sable language.

487
00:23:24,173 --> 00:23:26,093
Speaker 11: I don't think there's a lot of tenants out there

488
00:23:26,093 --> 00:23:29,973
Speaker 11: that really expect to live in a great place and

489
00:23:30,373 --> 00:23:33,373
Speaker 11: destroyer and think that that's going to work for long either.

490
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your call, Clint. You seem

491
00:23:35,733 --> 00:23:37,773
Speaker 2: like a very balanced and fear human being.

492
00:23:37,893 --> 00:23:40,413
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that's you know, that's what it comes down to,

493
00:23:40,493 --> 00:23:43,093
Speaker 3: right As Clint said, if you're a landlord, you make

494
00:23:43,133 --> 00:23:45,453
Speaker 3: sure you don't don't provide. In his words, and I'm

495
00:23:45,453 --> 00:23:48,093
Speaker 3: saying it again, forgive my language a shit ole, make

496
00:23:48,133 --> 00:23:49,813
Speaker 3: sure it's up to scratch, and as a tenant, you

497
00:23:49,853 --> 00:23:53,213
Speaker 3: look after the property of your landlord because that quite

498
00:23:53,253 --> 00:23:54,453
Speaker 3: often is their biggest asset.

499
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would say it seems to me anyway

500
00:23:57,333 --> 00:24:00,813
Speaker 2: that landlords have been portrayed pretty negatively in recent times

501
00:24:00,813 --> 00:24:02,693
Speaker 2: in this country. And I just don't think as Clint

502
00:24:02,773 --> 00:24:05,093
Speaker 2: says that that is that is necessarily the case.

503
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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call love to get your thought on that. Headlines

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Speaker 13: Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy. So we're discussing the balance

526
00:25:26,653 --> 00:25:30,053
Speaker 3: of power between landlords and tenants. Where does that lie

527
00:25:30,093 --> 00:25:33,373
Speaker 3: for you, whether you're a landlord or tenant. On July

528
00:25:33,533 --> 00:25:36,493
Speaker 3: the first, that's a week from today, the deadline for

529
00:25:36,653 --> 00:25:40,453
Speaker 3: Healthy Homes compliance comes into effect. So we're really keen

530
00:25:40,493 --> 00:25:42,933
Speaker 3: to hear from you about how you feel as a landlord.

531
00:25:42,933 --> 00:25:44,453
Speaker 3: Do you think the balance is about right? Have you've

532
00:25:44,453 --> 00:25:46,853
Speaker 3: got a good relationship with your tenants? And how did

533
00:25:46,893 --> 00:25:48,533
Speaker 3: it go trying to get your property up to scratch

534
00:25:48,573 --> 00:25:49,493
Speaker 3: with the healthy home standards?

535
00:25:49,493 --> 00:25:51,093
Speaker 2: And how about my hot take? No one's taken me

536
00:25:51,173 --> 00:25:54,133
Speaker 2: up on this one, that maybe it's a tenant's right

537
00:25:54,293 --> 00:25:58,093
Speaker 2: to choose to live in an absolute pile of crap

538
00:25:58,133 --> 00:25:58,853
Speaker 2: because it's cheap.

539
00:25:59,213 --> 00:26:01,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, what happened to those days? I mean that was

540
00:26:01,373 --> 00:26:02,213
Speaker 3: part of past all right?

541
00:26:02,213 --> 00:26:04,573
Speaker 2: There you have the other as someone's texting and Deneding.

542
00:26:04,613 --> 00:26:07,093
Speaker 2: With the student flats, you have the situation for a

543
00:26:07,173 --> 00:26:09,813
Speaker 2: number of years where you to live in an absolute

544
00:26:09,893 --> 00:26:11,053
Speaker 2: pile of crap and it's not cheap.

545
00:26:11,133 --> 00:26:13,413
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, very to the right.

546
00:26:13,333 --> 00:26:17,413
Speaker 2: To have the student flat experience. But yeah, as I say,

547
00:26:17,453 --> 00:26:19,532
Speaker 2: when I first moved to Auckland, I couldn't afford to

548
00:26:19,573 --> 00:26:24,133
Speaker 2: live anything in anything but an absolute at all. Yeah,

549
00:26:24,173 --> 00:26:28,253
Speaker 2: and they were great times. But without that, you know,

550
00:26:28,693 --> 00:26:31,053
Speaker 2: the compliance that would have been needed to turn the

551
00:26:31,053 --> 00:26:34,493
Speaker 2: places that I lived into in various warehouses and sheds

552
00:26:34,533 --> 00:26:36,333
Speaker 2: and stuff. Would I mean, I wouldn't have had any

553
00:26:36,373 --> 00:26:37,733
Speaker 2: where to live. Yeah, and I wouldn't be able to

554
00:26:37,773 --> 00:26:40,333
Speaker 2: make the stronghold in Auckland that I needed to as

555
00:26:40,333 --> 00:26:42,613
Speaker 2: a young lad moving up from Dunedin.

556
00:26:42,293 --> 00:26:45,173
Speaker 3: Even if it did cost you. You girlfriend, oh eight ten

557
00:26:45,253 --> 00:26:46,133
Speaker 3: eighty is another to cool.

558
00:26:46,613 --> 00:26:47,893
Speaker 2: She was going to leave me anyway.

559
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Speaker 7: Jack.

560
00:26:48,813 --> 00:26:55,293
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Jackie You there Jack Jack?

561
00:26:55,733 --> 00:26:58,413
Speaker 3: Oh no, he must have muted us. We'll come back

562
00:26:58,453 --> 00:26:58,773
Speaker 3: to Jack.

563
00:26:58,853 --> 00:27:02,493
Speaker 2: Yeah you Jack, Jack will sort you out. James, welcome

564
00:27:02,533 --> 00:27:03,453
Speaker 2: to the show.

565
00:27:05,013 --> 00:27:09,933
Speaker 3: A mate, who very good you are you a landlord

566
00:27:09,973 --> 00:27:12,293
Speaker 3: yourself or you're a tenant?

567
00:27:13,213 --> 00:27:15,733
Speaker 10: And I've been in the place I'm in there for

568
00:27:16,733 --> 00:27:17,693
Speaker 10: nineteen years.

569
00:27:17,893 --> 00:27:20,133
Speaker 3: How far away are you from the phone? Just out

570
00:27:20,213 --> 00:27:21,253
Speaker 3: interest age? It seems like.

571
00:27:22,733 --> 00:27:23,293
Speaker 2: You're a good man.

572
00:27:24,653 --> 00:27:26,973
Speaker 10: Sorry, I'm cooking at the moment.

573
00:27:27,853 --> 00:27:30,693
Speaker 2: What are you making? What are you cooking? James? Before

574
00:27:30,693 --> 00:27:32,413
Speaker 2: we get into it, so we can paint it painted.

575
00:27:32,653 --> 00:27:34,973
Speaker 10: Cooking a chicken curry?

576
00:27:36,133 --> 00:27:37,693
Speaker 2: Nice, nice.

577
00:27:39,533 --> 00:27:43,333
Speaker 10: Chicken, potatoes, pumpkin and I'll probably throw a ten of

578
00:27:43,333 --> 00:27:44,453
Speaker 10: apples in there as well.

579
00:27:44,573 --> 00:27:47,733
Speaker 2: Apples controversial, Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

580
00:27:49,493 --> 00:27:52,333
Speaker 10: Half Indian and half Scottish. So I like my carriage all.

581
00:27:52,253 --> 00:27:56,973
Speaker 2: Right, okay, like style. So it sounds like a recipe.

582
00:27:57,013 --> 00:28:00,293
Speaker 2: You've invented yourself. You're not running off a book there.

583
00:28:00,493 --> 00:28:04,053
Speaker 10: No, no, no, I cooking all all myself. I'm pretty

584
00:28:04,133 --> 00:28:07,293
Speaker 10: much a shift that hasn't done the it hasn't gone

585
00:28:07,293 --> 00:28:12,853
Speaker 10: to the college. Yeah, yeah, I've We're in commercial kitchens

586
00:28:12,893 --> 00:28:15,213
Speaker 10: and for four different restaurants in the time.

587
00:28:16,333 --> 00:28:19,013
Speaker 3: I trust you. I'll give it a great James, I'm

588
00:28:19,013 --> 00:28:19,493
Speaker 3: trusting you.

589
00:28:19,613 --> 00:28:22,532
Speaker 2: We'll move on. We'll move on for your chicken and

590
00:28:22,533 --> 00:28:25,413
Speaker 2: apple carry to You've got a landlord that you rate.

591
00:28:26,893 --> 00:28:32,293
Speaker 10: Very very highly. Yes, he's he, I see I say

592
00:28:32,333 --> 00:28:34,373
Speaker 10: to him. I hardly see it. I might see it

593
00:28:34,453 --> 00:28:37,933
Speaker 10: once every two years, and he goes, well, we like

594
00:28:38,013 --> 00:28:40,133
Speaker 10: the way that if there's anything wrong you let us

595
00:28:40,173 --> 00:28:44,293
Speaker 10: know immediately so it can be fixed. And he says,

596
00:28:44,333 --> 00:28:46,133
Speaker 10: you pay the rent, so we just leave you alone.

597
00:28:47,053 --> 00:28:49,133
Speaker 10: He drives by. I thank every now and then, just

598
00:28:49,133 --> 00:28:52,453
Speaker 10: to make sure the lawns are that are done. Keep

599
00:28:52,533 --> 00:28:55,973
Speaker 10: I keep everything done. I treat this house. It's a

600
00:28:56,013 --> 00:28:59,253
Speaker 10: one bedroom on its own section with a garage, and

601
00:28:59,293 --> 00:29:03,053
Speaker 10: I'm allowed a dog, and I treat it as my

602
00:29:03,093 --> 00:29:05,213
Speaker 10: own house. So he's very happy.

603
00:29:05,373 --> 00:29:09,373
Speaker 2: How long have you been there, James, nineteen years?

604
00:29:09,573 --> 00:29:09,773
Speaker 7: Ah?

605
00:29:09,893 --> 00:29:12,733
Speaker 2: Right, and so did your landlord have to make changes

606
00:29:12,773 --> 00:29:15,893
Speaker 2: for the healthy home standards before this camp came in.

607
00:29:15,933 --> 00:29:19,453
Speaker 10: Here he's actually putting a fan and he's not here

608
00:29:19,453 --> 00:29:21,013
Speaker 10: at the moment, but he's putting a fan in the

609
00:29:21,013 --> 00:29:26,653
Speaker 10: bathroom as we speak. And he's done the ground what

610
00:29:26,693 --> 00:29:28,053
Speaker 10: do you call it, the ground barrier?

611
00:29:28,253 --> 00:29:28,413
Speaker 11: Yeah?

612
00:29:28,493 --> 00:29:29,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that?

613
00:29:29,733 --> 00:29:29,893
Speaker 10: Yeah?

614
00:29:30,013 --> 00:29:30,773
Speaker 4: And he's.

615
00:29:32,293 --> 00:29:33,933
Speaker 10: Underneath the house as well.

616
00:29:33,773 --> 00:29:37,173
Speaker 2: And closed sub floors and ground moisture barrier, all that

617
00:29:37,213 --> 00:29:37,733
Speaker 2: kind of stuff.

618
00:29:38,733 --> 00:29:41,093
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's done it all is. It takes him a

619
00:29:41,093 --> 00:29:42,773
Speaker 10: while to get there, but I mean he's not made

620
00:29:42,813 --> 00:29:43,253
Speaker 10: of money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean you sound like a perfect tenant, James,

622
00:29:46,493 --> 00:29:49,453
Speaker 3: really that you're looking after the place. He sorts it

623
00:29:49,453 --> 00:29:51,413
Speaker 3: out when he needs to sort out, and then you

624
00:29:51,493 --> 00:29:52,653
Speaker 3: don't need to bother each other.

625
00:29:53,653 --> 00:29:53,893
Speaker 11: Yeah.

626
00:29:54,053 --> 00:29:58,813
Speaker 10: Apparently the best tenants are single males forty five over all.

627
00:29:58,933 --> 00:30:00,973
Speaker 3: Right, I don't know that figure. Why is that? Just

628
00:30:00,973 --> 00:30:03,093
Speaker 3: because I read.

629
00:30:02,893 --> 00:30:06,413
Speaker 10: It somewhere and a few other people have mentioned it

630
00:30:06,453 --> 00:30:10,893
Speaker 10: as well. His sister was a property manager and she

631
00:30:11,093 --> 00:30:13,853
Speaker 10: mentioned it. She said, you're a great tenant. You're one

632
00:30:13,893 --> 00:30:17,373
Speaker 10: of the one that in that range. You're because I'm

633
00:30:17,413 --> 00:30:20,933
Speaker 10: sixty one in July, but I've been here twenty years.

634
00:30:20,973 --> 00:30:26,613
Speaker 10: So yeah, apparently the best tenants are single males forty

635
00:30:26,653 --> 00:30:27,653
Speaker 10: five years and older.

636
00:30:28,013 --> 00:30:30,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of the best cocks as well, by

637
00:30:30,533 --> 00:30:31,133
Speaker 2: the sound of things.

638
00:30:31,213 --> 00:30:34,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, apple and chicken curry. I'm going to give it

639
00:30:34,893 --> 00:30:36,893
Speaker 3: a crack. He seemed like he knew what he was doing.

640
00:30:36,893 --> 00:30:37,493
Speaker 3: He was confident.

641
00:30:37,693 --> 00:30:38,933
Speaker 2: Just crack a can of apples in.

642
00:30:38,973 --> 00:30:43,053
Speaker 3: There, yeah, JZ grills. Thank you very much, mate. It

643
00:30:43,213 --> 00:30:44,413
Speaker 3: is seventeen to two.

644
00:30:44,413 --> 00:30:47,253
Speaker 2: Back very shortly, have a chat with.

645
00:30:47,213 --> 00:30:51,973
Speaker 1: The lads on eighty Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons

646
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Speaker 1: News talksb news Talks.

647
00:30:54,133 --> 00:30:55,533
Speaker 3: There be it is a quarter to two.

648
00:30:55,893 --> 00:30:57,613
Speaker 2: Now, I've brought this up on the show before, and

649
00:30:57,613 --> 00:30:59,573
Speaker 2: I always forget the name of it. But you were

650
00:30:59,573 --> 00:31:02,933
Speaker 2: saying the step before that eighty five percent of landlords

651
00:31:02,973 --> 00:31:05,973
Speaker 2: are happy yes their tenants right now and vice versa.

652
00:31:05,733 --> 00:31:07,293
Speaker 3: According to the Property Federation.

653
00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:12,453
Speaker 2: As we as we the July one final deadline on

654
00:31:12,573 --> 00:31:15,173
Speaker 2: the healthy home standards, and I was saying that it's

655
00:31:15,173 --> 00:31:18,293
Speaker 2: probably I forgot the statistical bias. I meant survivorship bias.

656
00:31:18,733 --> 00:31:22,733
Speaker 2: And so survivorship bias or is the logical eerraror of

657
00:31:22,773 --> 00:31:26,293
Speaker 2: concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking

658
00:31:26,373 --> 00:31:28,933
Speaker 2: those that did not. This can lead to incorrect conclusions

659
00:31:28,973 --> 00:31:32,773
Speaker 2: because of the incomplete data, right, So survivorship bias has

660
00:31:32,773 --> 00:31:35,493
Speaker 2: formed on sampling basis. So the example is if you

661
00:31:35,533 --> 00:31:37,773
Speaker 2: have a bomber and you're deciding where you're going to

662
00:31:37,853 --> 00:31:41,173
Speaker 2: put the armor, and the only thing that you're using

663
00:31:41,173 --> 00:31:43,293
Speaker 2: to decide where to put the armor is the planes

664
00:31:43,333 --> 00:31:47,573
Speaker 2: that arrive back at the base, right, That's that's that's

665
00:31:47,773 --> 00:31:51,533
Speaker 2: survivorship bias, because where you need to put the armor

666
00:31:51,853 --> 00:31:54,813
Speaker 2: is on the engines and the work where they got hit.

667
00:31:55,093 --> 00:31:59,413
Speaker 2: They didn't come back to base they So what I'm

668
00:31:59,453 --> 00:32:01,933
Speaker 2: saying there is when you say eighty five percent, it's

669
00:32:01,933 --> 00:32:04,773
Speaker 2: survivorship bias. A lot of landlords have left the market

670
00:32:04,853 --> 00:32:08,693
Speaker 2: because of the healthy home standards. So if you survey now,

671
00:32:09,493 --> 00:32:12,533
Speaker 2: you've lost the ones that were incredibly unhappy. Yeah, very

672
00:32:12,533 --> 00:32:16,053
Speaker 2: good point. Therefore, survivorship bias. Yes, I hope I've explained that.

673
00:32:16,493 --> 00:32:18,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, nailed that. So that eighty five percent we're

674
00:32:18,653 --> 00:32:20,093
Speaker 3: going to take with a big grain of salt because

675
00:32:20,093 --> 00:32:21,853
Speaker 3: a lot of those landlords who had enough and were

676
00:32:21,893 --> 00:32:24,173
Speaker 3: pissed off with their tennants long gone, sold up and

677
00:32:24,213 --> 00:32:25,133
Speaker 3: got out of the market.

678
00:32:25,373 --> 00:32:28,213
Speaker 2: Now, Greg, sorry about that detourling and you're waiting there,

679
00:32:28,213 --> 00:32:32,133
Speaker 2: But Greg, you don't really agree with their healthy homes regulations.

680
00:32:32,853 --> 00:32:37,333
Speaker 14: Well, it's just most of the regulations. There's far too

681
00:32:37,413 --> 00:32:40,893
Speaker 14: much bureaucracy as it is before they started adding all

682
00:32:40,893 --> 00:32:44,133
Speaker 14: this stuff. I remember, like twenty years ago, you could

683
00:32:44,173 --> 00:32:48,453
Speaker 14: find cheap places. It didn't matter about like whether they

684
00:32:48,493 --> 00:32:50,173
Speaker 14: have a heat pump and all this, because if you

685
00:32:50,213 --> 00:32:52,573
Speaker 14: didn't like it, you didn't rent it. You know, it's

686
00:32:52,573 --> 00:32:55,773
Speaker 14: meant to be a bias market. But by the way

687
00:32:55,813 --> 00:32:58,533
Speaker 14: things are looking with all this regulation and stuff, they're

688
00:32:58,533 --> 00:33:01,253
Speaker 14: trying to take the power out of the landlord's teams,

689
00:33:01,973 --> 00:33:05,333
Speaker 14: and through doing that a lot of landlords are just leaving,

690
00:33:05,813 --> 00:33:08,253
Speaker 14: which then it's going to become everything's going to be

691
00:33:08,453 --> 00:33:11,733
Speaker 14: you know, and the government teams like they want, you know,

692
00:33:12,013 --> 00:33:14,853
Speaker 14: in every renter to be under them or something like that.

693
00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:18,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm torn on the regulations, Grig that I do

694
00:33:18,453 --> 00:33:21,053
Speaker 3: think to get to a minimum standard.

695
00:33:20,813 --> 00:33:23,893
Speaker 14: Enough the people can say no, but you know who

696
00:33:23,973 --> 00:33:26,813
Speaker 14: is who is government and all these regulators to say

697
00:33:26,973 --> 00:33:29,453
Speaker 14: this is how it has to be. Like when I

698
00:33:29,493 --> 00:33:32,373
Speaker 14: was a teenager, I used to rent garages for like

699
00:33:32,453 --> 00:33:34,373
Speaker 14: fifty cents dollars a.

700
00:33:34,373 --> 00:33:36,773
Speaker 2: Week, you know, and I didn't hold and stuff.

701
00:33:36,813 --> 00:33:38,333
Speaker 14: I just put a booty blanket on.

702
00:33:39,133 --> 00:33:41,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what I mean, and try to

703
00:33:41,773 --> 00:33:44,013
Speaker 2: do that. As as I say before, Greg, when you're

704
00:33:44,013 --> 00:33:46,453
Speaker 2: trying to make your way in the world, you.

705
00:33:46,853 --> 00:33:49,413
Speaker 14: Well, especially if you're trying to save to get hire.

706
00:33:49,493 --> 00:33:50,693
Speaker 2: Exactly, you don't want to.

707
00:33:50,653 --> 00:33:54,533
Speaker 14: Waste money on some expensive bloody things like this regulation.

708
00:33:54,613 --> 00:33:57,333
Speaker 14: Who do they think they are to tell a landlord

709
00:33:57,373 --> 00:34:00,773
Speaker 14: what to do with his property and maybe you maybe

710
00:34:00,893 --> 00:34:02,453
Speaker 14: they had nobody will rent it.

711
00:34:02,573 --> 00:34:05,133
Speaker 2: And maybe it's a thing Greg, where you go well, look,

712
00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:07,733
Speaker 2: this is a healthy home standard house, and it gets

713
00:34:07,773 --> 00:34:10,053
Speaker 2: gets brand it as such. But if you want to

714
00:34:10,053 --> 00:34:10,933
Speaker 2: live in a house, that.

715
00:34:10,933 --> 00:34:14,093
Speaker 14: Sounds like Marxism to me. But I will label something

716
00:34:14,093 --> 00:34:16,533
Speaker 14: a certain way to put you in a different No.

717
00:34:16,533 --> 00:34:17,933
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're not understanding what I'm saying.

718
00:34:17,933 --> 00:34:18,133
Speaker 11: Greg.

719
00:34:18,133 --> 00:34:20,732
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is you could have a healthy home

720
00:34:20,773 --> 00:34:23,733
Speaker 2: standard as you sometimes get. You know in businesses, you

721
00:34:23,773 --> 00:34:25,853
Speaker 2: say like, this is registered, this has approved, and you

722
00:34:25,853 --> 00:34:27,653
Speaker 2: can choose to pay more to live in that house.

723
00:34:28,093 --> 00:34:30,933
Speaker 2: But if you're like me and you when we were younger, Greg,

724
00:34:31,093 --> 00:34:32,773
Speaker 2: we wanted to get ahead and save money and we

725
00:34:32,773 --> 00:34:34,773
Speaker 2: didn't really care what we lived in, and so that

726
00:34:34,933 --> 00:34:36,373
Speaker 2: is your choice. You go, look, I just want to

727
00:34:36,373 --> 00:34:38,573
Speaker 2: live in a garage. That that's fine.

728
00:34:38,773 --> 00:34:42,133
Speaker 14: But then then you find a girl and she's all like, no,

729
00:34:42,173 --> 00:34:44,053
Speaker 14: we're not living in squalors and you have to.

730
00:34:43,973 --> 00:34:47,333
Speaker 3: Pay top dollar exactly. That's that's the ballace of Greek.

731
00:34:48,693 --> 00:34:50,573
Speaker 2: That's that's a regulation of its own sort.

732
00:34:50,973 --> 00:34:53,333
Speaker 3: You don't have somebody being.

733
00:34:53,173 --> 00:34:56,173
Speaker 14: Able to live live in a place, you know, garage

734
00:34:56,293 --> 00:34:59,652
Speaker 14: or whatever, you know, even a shipping container. Just run

735
00:34:59,693 --> 00:35:01,173
Speaker 14: a booty power court out to it.

736
00:35:01,253 --> 00:35:02,773
Speaker 2: You'll be all right, Greg, I used to live in

737
00:35:02,933 --> 00:35:04,853
Speaker 2: I used to live in a bank vault, in an

738
00:35:04,853 --> 00:35:07,773
Speaker 2: old abandoned bank on Vogel Street and duneed and it

739
00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:10,853
Speaker 2: was bloody. It costs me so cool. Yeah, it was

740
00:35:10,973 --> 00:35:11,373
Speaker 2: very cool.

741
00:35:11,413 --> 00:35:12,853
Speaker 3: It's cool. The lady's got to love that.

742
00:35:14,053 --> 00:35:16,613
Speaker 14: I loved in an old meat work and it was

743
00:35:16,733 --> 00:35:18,133
Speaker 14: designed to be freezing.

744
00:35:18,373 --> 00:35:20,933
Speaker 2: So yeah, oh, I hear what you say.

745
00:35:20,973 --> 00:35:21,172
Speaker 10: Greg.

746
00:35:21,253 --> 00:35:22,692
Speaker 3: Let the market decide, and if you want to live

747
00:35:22,733 --> 00:35:23,373
Speaker 3: in a bank vault.

748
00:35:23,453 --> 00:35:26,212
Speaker 2: There is an end of the market of young men

749
00:35:26,253 --> 00:35:29,333
Speaker 2: who don't give a crap. They just want to save

750
00:35:29,413 --> 00:35:30,853
Speaker 2: some money, They want to move to the town they

751
00:35:30,893 --> 00:35:32,453
Speaker 2: want to be, to be in the business that they

752
00:35:32,493 --> 00:35:36,573
Speaker 2: want to be in, and look, eventually when they try

753
00:35:36,573 --> 00:35:40,733
Speaker 2: and find a partner, they have to lift their game hundred.

754
00:35:41,253 --> 00:35:43,973
Speaker 2: I could not have heard less when I was first flatting,

755
00:35:44,013 --> 00:35:45,813
Speaker 2: when I was eighteen, nineteen twenty, all the way to

756
00:35:45,853 --> 00:35:48,693
Speaker 2: twenty five about healthy home standards. I wouldn't have given

757
00:35:48,733 --> 00:35:50,893
Speaker 2: an absolute crap about it. I just wanted to get

758
00:35:50,893 --> 00:35:52,292
Speaker 2: the cheapest possible rent I could.

759
00:35:52,453 --> 00:35:54,653
Speaker 3: But when your girlfriend said, yeah, I can't do this anymore.

760
00:35:54,653 --> 00:35:56,692
Speaker 3: There's rats under your bed and this is a shed,

761
00:35:56,693 --> 00:35:58,692
Speaker 3: and don't freezing my butt off, and I'm leaving you.

762
00:35:58,773 --> 00:36:00,652
Speaker 3: At that point, you say, hang on, what if we

763
00:36:00,693 --> 00:36:02,613
Speaker 3: move to a healthy home, stand at home? Will you

764
00:36:02,653 --> 00:36:03,133
Speaker 3: stay with me?

765
00:36:03,573 --> 00:36:05,293
Speaker 2: Her main problem was I was living in a shed

766
00:36:05,293 --> 00:36:07,813
Speaker 2: and I had this huge old tube twenty eight and

767
00:36:07,973 --> 00:36:11,453
Speaker 2: televison to play video games on. So when we slept,

768
00:36:11,453 --> 00:36:14,252
Speaker 2: we had to curl up into the fetal position. Yeah. Yeah,

769
00:36:14,333 --> 00:36:17,133
Speaker 2: so that was their main thing that left there wasn't

770
00:36:17,173 --> 00:36:17,652
Speaker 2: long enough.

771
00:36:18,573 --> 00:36:19,652
Speaker 3: It has not to two.

772
00:36:21,493 --> 00:36:25,053
Speaker 1: Mad Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

773
00:36:25,053 --> 00:36:28,853
Speaker 1: and eighty eight. It's Mad Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons News

774
00:36:28,893 --> 00:36:29,413
Speaker 1: Dogs B.

775
00:36:31,173 --> 00:36:34,453
Speaker 3: News Dogs B six two two jan. Are you are

776
00:36:34,493 --> 00:36:35,293
Speaker 3: a tenant yourself?

777
00:36:35,373 --> 00:36:35,813
Speaker 10: Is that right?

778
00:36:36,693 --> 00:36:36,853
Speaker 8: No?

779
00:36:36,893 --> 00:36:42,333
Speaker 3: I'm a landlord landlord personally yes, ye, land lady, Yes.

780
00:36:41,133 --> 00:36:45,333
Speaker 15: I just wanted to tell you a couple of years ago,

781
00:36:45,333 --> 00:36:46,933
Speaker 15: I baught a house and I needed to put a

782
00:36:46,973 --> 00:36:49,813
Speaker 15: heat company. So I got the specialist and they told

783
00:36:49,853 --> 00:36:51,733
Speaker 15: me exactly what I needed to get and where to

784
00:36:51,773 --> 00:36:54,413
Speaker 15: put it. So I did that and they installed it

785
00:36:54,453 --> 00:36:58,813
Speaker 15: as to the size and requirements that I needed. Now

786
00:36:58,853 --> 00:37:03,413
Speaker 15: I find there's been a new you know, they've looked

787
00:37:03,413 --> 00:37:05,053
Speaker 15: at it again and they tell me, I need another

788
00:37:05,093 --> 00:37:08,493
Speaker 15: four killer WAPs. So there's another three thousand dollars I've

789
00:37:08,493 --> 00:37:11,333
Speaker 15: got to put in. I don't even have, oh I

790
00:37:11,373 --> 00:37:13,732
Speaker 15: do have a heat pump at time. I've also got

791
00:37:13,733 --> 00:37:16,773
Speaker 15: to change the rain hod in this house to be

792
00:37:16,933 --> 00:37:20,093
Speaker 15: exhausting outside at home, I don't even have a raine

793
00:37:20,133 --> 00:37:23,333
Speaker 15: hord I open a window. And then I have another

794
00:37:23,693 --> 00:37:27,213
Speaker 15: property that's just been sold. It's had two heat pumps

795
00:37:27,213 --> 00:37:30,413
Speaker 15: in it, one up and one down. And when I

796
00:37:30,453 --> 00:37:34,373
Speaker 15: went to do an inspection, the curtains looked stains like

797
00:37:34,653 --> 00:37:38,373
Speaker 15: water stains on them. And I said, that looks like moisture.

798
00:37:38,533 --> 00:37:41,373
Speaker 15: You use the heat pumps, and the lady said, no,

799
00:37:41,733 --> 00:37:42,573
Speaker 15: they cost money.

800
00:37:43,293 --> 00:37:43,933
Speaker 16: Yeah.

801
00:37:43,973 --> 00:37:46,813
Speaker 3: And the hate that it falls over right, Yeah, that's right,

802
00:37:46,893 --> 00:37:48,573
Speaker 3: you can. I mean, the fact that you've got to

803
00:37:48,573 --> 00:37:51,333
Speaker 3: get a second heat pump is crazy. And I've gone

804
00:37:51,333 --> 00:37:54,693
Speaker 3: through the Healthy Home standard. I know how nonsensical some

805
00:37:54,773 --> 00:37:55,533
Speaker 3: of the stuff was.

806
00:37:55,893 --> 00:38:00,093
Speaker 2: And also the idea that a landlord's tenants are living

807
00:38:00,133 --> 00:38:04,173
Speaker 2: better than the landlord is an interesting yes.

808
00:38:04,533 --> 00:38:10,013
Speaker 15: And I said to the house they north, it's got

809
00:38:10,093 --> 00:38:14,813
Speaker 15: all windows across the front. It's warm and lovely, and

810
00:38:15,573 --> 00:38:17,373
Speaker 15: you know they don't take that into account.

811
00:38:18,653 --> 00:38:19,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah.

812
00:38:19,413 --> 00:38:20,853
Speaker 15: Anyway, that's all I range to say.

813
00:38:21,253 --> 00:38:22,413
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your call.

814
00:38:22,493 --> 00:38:22,652
Speaker 1: Jan.

815
00:38:22,813 --> 00:38:25,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jan's quite right. I mean going through the

816
00:38:25,053 --> 00:38:27,533
Speaker 3: healthy home standard is and as I said, it's a

817
00:38:27,533 --> 00:38:29,573
Speaker 3: feeling new home. It's double glazed and all the rest

818
00:38:29,573 --> 00:38:32,573
Speaker 3: of it. But it is such a massive document and

819
00:38:32,613 --> 00:38:34,933
Speaker 3: it's punishing having to I try to do it myself.

820
00:38:34,973 --> 00:38:37,133
Speaker 3: You can do it yourself, but all the calculations you've

821
00:38:37,133 --> 00:38:38,613
Speaker 3: got to make, and you've got to figure out how

822
00:38:38,653 --> 00:38:40,573
Speaker 3: much keller wat's come out of your palette fire and

823
00:38:40,613 --> 00:38:41,493
Speaker 3: the heating and the lounge.

824
00:38:41,493 --> 00:38:43,373
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just and then Tyler, you did it all.

825
00:38:43,533 --> 00:38:44,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then your.

826
00:38:44,653 --> 00:38:47,772
Speaker 2: Tenants are still angry at you. They want more.

827
00:38:47,933 --> 00:38:49,733
Speaker 3: I paid, I paid a fellow to come around. He

828
00:38:49,813 --> 00:38:51,613
Speaker 3: had to dig a hole in the floor to cheek

829
00:38:51,693 --> 00:38:52,733
Speaker 3: under the under the house.

830
00:38:52,733 --> 00:38:55,133
Speaker 2: And they want to live like the bloody Sultan of Brunei.

831
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:57,173
Speaker 3: They certainly do. They.

832
00:38:57,213 --> 00:38:59,292
Speaker 2: We've got so many calls coming through on this and text.

833
00:38:59,293 --> 00:39:00,652
Speaker 2: We're going to keep this going for a little bit

834
00:39:00,733 --> 00:39:02,333
Speaker 2: after the news.

835
00:39:02,533 --> 00:39:05,013
Speaker 3: Yep, keen to hear your stories. If you're a landlord

836
00:39:05,093 --> 00:39:07,652
Speaker 3: or tenant, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, where

837
00:39:07,653 --> 00:39:11,172
Speaker 3: does the balance of power lie landlords is there's still

838
00:39:11,173 --> 00:39:13,413
Speaker 3: a bit of landlord bashing out there and tenants. Have

839
00:39:13,453 --> 00:39:16,253
Speaker 3: you got a good relationship with your landlord? It is

840
00:39:16,333 --> 00:39:18,893
Speaker 3: three minutes to do newsport and weather on it's way.

841
00:39:18,933 --> 00:39:20,893
Speaker 3: You're listening to Matton Tyler. Very good afternoon to you,

842
00:39:21,133 --> 00:39:21,533
Speaker 3: aren't you?

843
00:39:21,613 --> 00:39:23,773
Speaker 2: I need you old go a.

844
00:39:25,413 --> 00:39:25,613
Speaker 17: Need.

845
00:39:27,613 --> 00:39:32,693
Speaker 1: It is beautiful days it talking with you all afternoon.

846
00:39:33,013 --> 00:39:36,613
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons news Dogs.

847
00:39:36,613 --> 00:39:36,933
Speaker 7: They'd be.

848
00:39:38,573 --> 00:39:40,653
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, cheer, welcome back into the show. It is

849
00:39:40,693 --> 00:39:44,333
Speaker 3: seven past two and having a great discussion about landlords

850
00:39:44,413 --> 00:39:47,613
Speaker 3: and tenants. This is on the back of the deadline

851
00:39:47,613 --> 00:39:50,213
Speaker 3: for the Healthy Homes compliance that comes into effect on

852
00:39:50,253 --> 00:39:53,813
Speaker 3: the first of July, that is exactly a week from today.

853
00:39:53,973 --> 00:39:56,053
Speaker 3: And there was a great interview or a panel on

854
00:39:56,173 --> 00:39:58,613
Speaker 3: with what Ryan Bridge this morning on Herald Now where

855
00:39:58,613 --> 00:40:01,973
Speaker 3: he spoke to both sides of this argument. So here's

856
00:40:01,973 --> 00:40:04,733
Speaker 3: a little bit of what the Property Federation said.

857
00:40:04,813 --> 00:40:06,853
Speaker 5: I would say, And they're actually numbers to back this

858
00:40:06,973 --> 00:40:09,933
Speaker 5: up that five percent of landlords and tenants.

859
00:40:09,653 --> 00:40:10,533
Speaker 1: Are happy with each other.

860
00:40:10,653 --> 00:40:11,613
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good number.

861
00:40:11,653 --> 00:40:15,693
Speaker 5: That's from an NB survey of landlords and of renters.

862
00:40:16,173 --> 00:40:18,013
Speaker 2: So that's a great basis to build on.

863
00:40:18,453 --> 00:40:20,933
Speaker 5: There's a small number where yeah, there's a bit of

864
00:40:21,173 --> 00:40:23,613
Speaker 5: disagreement where things don't quite go so well.

865
00:40:24,053 --> 00:40:26,133
Speaker 2: And you know, by the same token, you see.

866
00:40:26,053 --> 00:40:30,613
Speaker 5: Stories about bad tenants and bad landlords. It's great media

867
00:40:30,693 --> 00:40:31,973
Speaker 5: to be honest story like that.

868
00:40:32,973 --> 00:40:35,933
Speaker 3: And here is what Renters United Zach Thomas said.

869
00:40:36,653 --> 00:40:38,533
Speaker 6: When a tenant gets kicks out, they don't have a

870
00:40:38,613 --> 00:40:41,333
Speaker 6: roof over their head. If a landlord gets mucked over

871
00:40:41,413 --> 00:40:43,493
Speaker 6: by a bad tenant, they still have a roof over

872
00:40:43,533 --> 00:40:45,973
Speaker 6: their head. So there's a massive power and balance there,

873
00:40:46,213 --> 00:40:48,413
Speaker 6: especially now we've got no cause of dictions that it's

874
00:40:48,413 --> 00:40:51,493
Speaker 6: so important to get written communication. So many tenants live

875
00:40:51,533 --> 00:40:53,533
Speaker 6: in fair that they'll be kicked out just for standing

876
00:40:53,573 --> 00:40:55,413
Speaker 6: up for their rights at the moment, And if they

877
00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:57,493
Speaker 6: have a quick call with the landlord and they don't

878
00:40:57,493 --> 00:40:59,853
Speaker 6: have it in written communication, they are at risk of

879
00:40:59,893 --> 00:41:01,773
Speaker 6: being kicked out for standing up for their rights. That

880
00:41:01,893 --> 00:41:03,853
Speaker 6: is not equal, That is not fair.

881
00:41:03,613 --> 00:41:05,333
Speaker 2: So there you go. Where do you think the balance

882
00:41:05,333 --> 00:41:07,973
Speaker 2: sits at the moment with these healthy homes coming online

883
00:41:08,093 --> 00:41:10,973
Speaker 2: the compliance deadline first of July? Do you think it's

884
00:41:11,013 --> 00:41:14,813
Speaker 2: sitting too far? With the landlords or too far with

885
00:41:14,853 --> 00:41:17,172
Speaker 2: the tenants. And as I said before, I pushed back

886
00:41:17,173 --> 00:41:19,933
Speaker 2: a little bit on that that the landlord always has

887
00:41:19,933 --> 00:41:22,693
Speaker 2: a roof over their head. Sometimes the landlords are risking

888
00:41:22,733 --> 00:41:25,093
Speaker 2: everything to try and build a bigger future for themselves,

889
00:41:25,773 --> 00:41:28,093
Speaker 2: renting out a house while paying on top of that

890
00:41:28,213 --> 00:41:30,652
Speaker 2: for the rent. And then you get texts like this

891
00:41:30,733 --> 00:41:32,652
Speaker 2: here had a new home to rent and had to

892
00:41:32,653 --> 00:41:34,933
Speaker 2: evict the solo mum with two kids as it took

893
00:41:34,973 --> 00:41:39,293
Speaker 2: twenty thousand to repair and replace carpets in kitchen. Never again,

894
00:41:40,133 --> 00:41:42,533
Speaker 2: it was costing us more we couldn't afford it than

895
00:41:42,573 --> 00:41:43,413
Speaker 2: to the rent received.

896
00:41:43,573 --> 00:41:46,093
Speaker 3: Exactly. There's a lot of people down for seen circumstance,

897
00:41:46,173 --> 00:41:48,692
Speaker 3: isn't it one hundred percent? And I mentioned last hour

898
00:41:49,093 --> 00:41:51,333
Speaker 3: that I am a new landlord, been a landlord for

899
00:41:51,333 --> 00:41:54,013
Speaker 3: seven months. But that is not a good financial decision

900
00:41:54,053 --> 00:41:55,613
Speaker 3: that has done out of necessity because I've got to

901
00:41:55,613 --> 00:41:57,453
Speaker 3: come up here and work with you up here in

902
00:41:57,453 --> 00:42:00,253
Speaker 3: Auckland and love it up here. But if I'm being honest,

903
00:42:00,373 --> 00:42:01,933
Speaker 3: that is you know we're not making money out of

904
00:42:01,973 --> 00:42:02,413
Speaker 3: that rental.

905
00:42:02,493 --> 00:42:04,893
Speaker 2: Well, Tyler, you know I've only known you for it

906
00:42:04,933 --> 00:42:07,373
Speaker 2: for a year, but you work very, very hard, and

907
00:42:07,453 --> 00:42:10,172
Speaker 2: some of the work that you are doing is to

908
00:42:10,293 --> 00:42:14,933
Speaker 2: cover the disparity between the rent in the house what

909
00:42:15,013 --> 00:42:17,172
Speaker 2: you can charge and how much it costs to run

910
00:42:17,173 --> 00:42:19,813
Speaker 2: that house, you know, and then you throw on the

911
00:42:19,813 --> 00:42:21,893
Speaker 2: healthy home standards on top of that. So a certain

912
00:42:21,933 --> 00:42:24,293
Speaker 2: amount of time you spend working with me is to

913
00:42:24,653 --> 00:42:27,172
Speaker 2: arguably pay the rent for the people living in your

914
00:42:27,173 --> 00:42:29,413
Speaker 2: house exactly, And so you don't really hear that side

915
00:42:29,453 --> 00:42:32,692
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah, all you're hearing is that landlords are

916
00:42:32,973 --> 00:42:37,333
Speaker 2: wealthy people twiddling their mustaches and shining their monocles as

917
00:42:37,333 --> 00:42:39,893
Speaker 2: they drive past and their rolls Royce Monopoly style and

918
00:42:39,973 --> 00:42:43,493
Speaker 2: laugh at the poor people in their houses. Nicely said,

919
00:42:43,933 --> 00:42:45,613
Speaker 2: I think the balance is probably somewhere in the more

920
00:42:45,613 --> 00:42:46,333
Speaker 2: in the middle than that.

921
00:42:46,493 --> 00:42:48,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're keen to hear from you on this.

922
00:42:48,213 --> 00:42:49,893
Speaker 3: I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you're a

923
00:42:49,933 --> 00:42:52,973
Speaker 3: landlord or tenant, where does the balance of power line?

924
00:42:53,293 --> 00:42:56,173
Speaker 2: And also the other other angle that I'd like to

925
00:42:56,213 --> 00:42:59,053
Speaker 2: hear people's thoughts on, what about the rights of scummy

926
00:42:59,173 --> 00:43:02,013
Speaker 2: nineteen and twenty year old boys like me when I

927
00:43:02,053 --> 00:43:04,933
Speaker 2: first moved to Auckland that want to pay nothing for

928
00:43:04,973 --> 00:43:06,693
Speaker 2: their rent? They want to live in a dive in

929
00:43:06,733 --> 00:43:09,453
Speaker 2: the cheapest place they can get, so can spend the

930
00:43:09,453 --> 00:43:12,533
Speaker 2: money they have, the little money they earn on booze

931
00:43:12,733 --> 00:43:17,013
Speaker 2: and their dreams yep, on drinking in the weekend and

932
00:43:17,053 --> 00:43:19,533
Speaker 2: following their dreams in the week And they don't want

933
00:43:19,573 --> 00:43:22,732
Speaker 2: to spend money covering a bloody heat pump who could

934
00:43:22,733 --> 00:43:26,453
Speaker 2: care less? Or or a bloody what is that a

935
00:43:27,453 --> 00:43:34,213
Speaker 2: under floor congestion sub floor ground moisturizer barrier. We'll sleep

936
00:43:34,213 --> 00:43:36,253
Speaker 2: on We'll sleep on dirt under a roof if it

937
00:43:36,293 --> 00:43:37,973
Speaker 2: means that we can have more beers on the weekend.

938
00:43:38,213 --> 00:43:41,013
Speaker 2: And if you were like me, I had this dream

939
00:43:41,053 --> 00:43:42,933
Speaker 2: of getting a stunt TV show on TV and Z

940
00:43:43,293 --> 00:43:45,613
Speaker 2: see every single cent I had. I wanted to spend

941
00:43:45,693 --> 00:43:49,133
Speaker 2: on buying costumes and cameras to make that happen.

942
00:43:49,533 --> 00:43:52,013
Speaker 3: And I did you did? You made that dream come true?

943
00:43:52,053 --> 00:43:53,813
Speaker 2: But I was living in a shed, yeah, or in

944
00:43:53,853 --> 00:43:57,933
Speaker 2: the corner of a warehouse tay five dollars a week, Yeah, matts,

945
00:43:58,333 --> 00:43:59,333
Speaker 2: You are a landlord?

946
00:43:59,413 --> 00:44:00,973
Speaker 7: Is that right? O?

947
00:44:01,013 --> 00:44:02,173
Speaker 16: Good? Yeah? How are you doing that?

948
00:44:02,653 --> 00:44:06,533
Speaker 3: Very goods? And what you're feeling about the landlord bashing?

949
00:44:06,533 --> 00:44:07,692
Speaker 3: Does it still exist out there?

950
00:44:08,653 --> 00:44:08,933
Speaker 10: Sure?

951
00:44:09,133 --> 00:44:11,133
Speaker 16: Look, I'm in a bit of a unique position. They've

952
00:44:11,333 --> 00:44:14,973
Speaker 16: recently just moved my house from long term rental to

953
00:44:15,533 --> 00:44:19,213
Speaker 16: a short term rental management company, which which I actually

954
00:44:19,253 --> 00:44:21,533
Speaker 16: managed myself. And there's a couple of reasons for that.

955
00:44:22,973 --> 00:44:25,413
Speaker 16: My investment property was actually getting a little bit hammered

956
00:44:25,493 --> 00:44:28,173
Speaker 16: when it came to what the tenants would be headening

957
00:44:28,253 --> 00:44:31,253
Speaker 16: enough to in there. So I found that this tenant

958
00:44:31,293 --> 00:44:33,453
Speaker 16: wasn't so bad, but the previous one when they left,

959
00:44:33,653 --> 00:44:36,373
Speaker 16: I had a bill for about ten fifteen thousand dollars

960
00:44:36,973 --> 00:44:40,173
Speaker 16: of what, you know, a tribunal would kind of attribute

961
00:44:40,213 --> 00:44:43,813
Speaker 16: to a crude damage of people living a normal lifestyle.

962
00:44:45,053 --> 00:44:47,213
Speaker 16: But I certainly don't, you know, accrue that sort of

963
00:44:47,293 --> 00:44:50,053
Speaker 16: damage is my own personal home. But you know, as

964
00:44:50,053 --> 00:44:52,093
Speaker 16: a landlord, was just left to fit the bill when

965
00:44:52,093 --> 00:44:53,493
Speaker 16: that sort of thing comes along. And this is just

966
00:44:53,533 --> 00:44:55,613
Speaker 16: a brand new townhouse. It's you know, got two heat

967
00:44:55,613 --> 00:44:59,293
Speaker 16: pump senates, it's only ninety square meters, tight as a drum,

968
00:44:59,533 --> 00:45:03,093
Speaker 16: you know. But you just find that tenants don't don't

969
00:45:03,133 --> 00:45:07,573
Speaker 16: treat them sometimes with respective properly deserves.

970
00:45:07,973 --> 00:45:11,373
Speaker 2: Do you think that's a basic pressure that's always going

971
00:45:11,453 --> 00:45:13,773
Speaker 2: to be because in your eyes, that is always going

972
00:45:13,813 --> 00:45:16,213
Speaker 2: to be your house, and then they move in and

973
00:45:16,293 --> 00:45:18,813
Speaker 2: because they're paying rent, they think, well, this is my

974
00:45:19,013 --> 00:45:25,453
Speaker 2: house right now. So yeah, so there's just a different

975
00:45:25,453 --> 00:45:28,133
Speaker 2: perspective of looking at that because yeah, I mean, it

976
00:45:28,213 --> 00:45:30,533
Speaker 2: is always the house that you've spent good money on

977
00:45:30,613 --> 00:45:33,053
Speaker 2: and you've set up what you think is nicely we say,

978
00:45:33,053 --> 00:45:37,413
Speaker 2: two heat pumps, and so you feel almost personally set

979
00:45:37,493 --> 00:45:40,173
Speaker 2: upon when they don't treat this place that is yours

980
00:45:40,213 --> 00:45:40,813
Speaker 2: with respect.

981
00:45:41,693 --> 00:45:43,613
Speaker 16: Well, the thing is, it's a brand new investment property,

982
00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:45,652
Speaker 16: right it was bought for the premise of, you know,

983
00:45:45,733 --> 00:45:49,413
Speaker 16: building a future actually for my father in law who

984
00:45:49,493 --> 00:45:53,453
Speaker 16: had a very messy breakup, which basically meant that an

985
00:45:53,453 --> 00:45:56,172
Speaker 16: Auckland's market, he's now unable to buy or borrow due

986
00:45:56,173 --> 00:45:59,493
Speaker 16: to his age. So my wife and I helped him

987
00:45:59,533 --> 00:46:01,813
Speaker 16: buy this property. So it's a brand new townhouse with

988
00:46:01,893 --> 00:46:03,333
Speaker 16: the idea that we're going to rent it out to

989
00:46:03,573 --> 00:46:06,853
Speaker 16: it could pay itself or pay the mortgage down until

990
00:46:06,853 --> 00:46:09,213
Speaker 16: he was prepared to move into it. So we were

991
00:46:09,253 --> 00:46:11,173
Speaker 16: very prepared for tennants to come in and use it

992
00:46:11,173 --> 00:46:13,692
Speaker 16: as their own. But you know, there's a I think

993
00:46:13,693 --> 00:46:15,453
Speaker 16: there's a little bit of apathy when it comes to

994
00:46:16,133 --> 00:46:18,733
Speaker 16: how tennants treat a property because you say that you

995
00:46:18,773 --> 00:46:20,413
Speaker 16: know they want to treat it like their own house.

996
00:46:20,573 --> 00:46:23,773
Speaker 16: But you know, and I know that from my experience

997
00:46:23,773 --> 00:46:25,813
Speaker 16: in my own house, I don't think my toddler's right

998
00:46:25,853 --> 00:46:30,093
Speaker 16: on the walls, or I don't let baby food fester

999
00:46:30,213 --> 00:46:32,333
Speaker 16: in the carpet for months so that the carpet literally

1000
00:46:32,413 --> 00:46:33,973
Speaker 16: starts deteriorating and going Maldy.

1001
00:46:34,653 --> 00:46:37,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'd hope, Matt, clearly that wasn't the case

1002
00:46:37,973 --> 00:46:40,573
Speaker 3: with some of your tenants, but I'd hope the vast

1003
00:46:40,573 --> 00:46:43,973
Speaker 3: majority of tenants feel that way, that they understand that

1004
00:46:44,093 --> 00:46:46,652
Speaker 3: their landlord, no matter their financial position, that is a

1005
00:46:46,653 --> 00:46:48,693
Speaker 3: big asset for them and they'd look after that to

1006
00:46:48,693 --> 00:46:50,893
Speaker 3: the best of their ability. But you're right, it's the

1007
00:46:51,373 --> 00:46:55,293
Speaker 3: whatever it is fifteen percent, twenty percent that appears to

1008
00:46:55,293 --> 00:46:57,573
Speaker 3: be letting the team down in terms of tenants. In

1009
00:46:57,573 --> 00:47:00,493
Speaker 3: this cry about the balance of power being out of

1010
00:47:00,493 --> 00:47:03,293
Speaker 3: whack by by Rents United. I think that is that

1011
00:47:03,653 --> 00:47:05,933
Speaker 3: is a little bit extreme. And you know, look, they

1012
00:47:05,973 --> 00:47:10,893
Speaker 3: do they do a fair job promoting tenants rights and responsibilities,

1013
00:47:11,173 --> 00:47:14,013
Speaker 3: but I think they take the side of the extreme

1014
00:47:14,133 --> 00:47:15,053
Speaker 3: tenants too often.

1015
00:47:15,773 --> 00:47:18,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Tyler are you just smarting right now because

1016
00:47:18,053 --> 00:47:20,053
Speaker 2: you've got a tenant in your house, then you've you've

1017
00:47:20,573 --> 00:47:22,573
Speaker 2: kept it to healthy home standards, you've spent a lot

1018
00:47:22,573 --> 00:47:27,013
Speaker 2: of money, you're subsidizing the mortgage, and they're complaining about

1019
00:47:27,013 --> 00:47:29,253
Speaker 2: the house. Yeah, so you're just smarting now.

1020
00:47:29,653 --> 00:47:32,693
Speaker 3: I'm incredibly biased, incredibly biased, but Matt, just on the

1021
00:47:32,733 --> 00:47:35,692
Speaker 3: short term rental, are you finding that with the short

1022
00:47:35,773 --> 00:47:39,933
Speaker 3: term rental the tenants are a lot more respectful one

1023
00:47:39,973 --> 00:47:40,533
Speaker 3: hundred percent.

1024
00:47:40,573 --> 00:47:42,933
Speaker 16: Look, we run a short term management company, so we're

1025
00:47:42,933 --> 00:47:46,813
Speaker 16: managing fifty odd properties in Auckland and they're anything from

1026
00:47:46,813 --> 00:47:49,333
Speaker 16: three and a half million dollars down to one bedroom apartments.

1027
00:47:50,053 --> 00:47:52,493
Speaker 16: And what we've found is a lot of landlords preparing

1028
00:47:52,573 --> 00:47:54,733
Speaker 16: to go to this because there's a lot more damage

1029
00:47:54,733 --> 00:47:57,053
Speaker 16: protection in place. So if you book a short term

1030
00:47:57,053 --> 00:47:59,173
Speaker 16: mental with us, you're putting down a damage deposit or

1031
00:47:59,213 --> 00:48:04,253
Speaker 16: you were protected through various different insurance agents and when

1032
00:48:04,293 --> 00:48:06,293
Speaker 16: you do depart the property, we do a full inspection

1033
00:48:06,333 --> 00:48:08,133
Speaker 16: and if there's damage, we prepare it for the next guest.

1034
00:48:08,133 --> 00:48:09,533
Speaker 16: You know, some of these properties are ranging for over

1035
00:48:09,573 --> 00:48:12,333
Speaker 16: one thousand dollars a night, so when somebody's coming in

1036
00:48:12,413 --> 00:48:14,773
Speaker 16: paying seven thousand dollars for a week. They expect a

1037
00:48:14,813 --> 00:48:17,613
Speaker 16: certain level. So it means that the property is kept

1038
00:48:17,653 --> 00:48:20,893
Speaker 16: to an incredible standard. So when the landloud eventually turns

1039
00:48:21,133 --> 00:48:23,133
Speaker 16: up and wants they use the property themselves or move

1040
00:48:23,173 --> 00:48:25,693
Speaker 16: back in, they're moving back into what's essentially a property

1041
00:48:25,693 --> 00:48:26,853
Speaker 16: that they left in that condition.

1042
00:48:27,213 --> 00:48:29,253
Speaker 2: So you're when you say long term versus short term,

1043
00:48:29,253 --> 00:48:32,493
Speaker 2: you're talking very short term like earbnb type short term

1044
00:48:33,013 --> 00:48:33,692
Speaker 2: exactly right.

1045
00:48:33,813 --> 00:48:36,213
Speaker 16: Yeah, So anything from you know, two nights through the

1046
00:48:36,293 --> 00:48:37,733
Speaker 16: ninety days.

1047
00:48:37,453 --> 00:48:39,813
Speaker 2: And is that is that covered off? Because of course

1048
00:48:40,133 --> 00:48:42,693
Speaker 2: there's going to be you know, peak times and downtimes

1049
00:48:42,693 --> 00:48:45,613
Speaker 2: as opposed to having someone locked down in a Tennessee agreement.

1050
00:48:45,653 --> 00:48:47,813
Speaker 2: You know that whatever money is going to be consistently

1051
00:48:47,853 --> 00:48:49,813
Speaker 2: coming in and you can sort of budget around that.

1052
00:48:50,693 --> 00:48:52,173
Speaker 16: Yeah, one hundred percent. Look, we give all of our

1053
00:48:52,213 --> 00:48:54,652
Speaker 16: owners appraisal based on a year. It's only real way

1054
00:48:54,653 --> 00:48:56,973
Speaker 16: to look at it. Yeah, because we get very special events.

1055
00:48:57,013 --> 00:48:58,733
Speaker 16: I mean last year for cold plays, some of our

1056
00:48:58,733 --> 00:49:00,693
Speaker 16: properties were selling you know, we had it on a

1057
00:49:00,693 --> 00:49:02,973
Speaker 16: four night minimum, and some of our properties were clearing

1058
00:49:03,013 --> 00:49:04,693
Speaker 16: ten or twelve thousand dollars for four nights.

1059
00:49:06,333 --> 00:49:08,333
Speaker 2: That is a lot of money Jesus, I love right,

1060
00:49:08,413 --> 00:49:10,093
Speaker 2: So ed Park, I should have got the hell out

1061
00:49:10,133 --> 00:49:10,613
Speaker 2: of my house.

1062
00:49:10,693 --> 00:49:14,053
Speaker 3: You go back into a SPoD and go back into

1063
00:49:14,053 --> 00:49:15,373
Speaker 3: one of your garage.

1064
00:49:17,493 --> 00:49:19,613
Speaker 2: See that's what about those poor people that live near

1065
00:49:19,773 --> 00:49:21,453
Speaker 2: Eden Park and want to live in a shed for

1066
00:49:21,493 --> 00:49:23,212
Speaker 2: a couple of days so they can make some money

1067
00:49:23,253 --> 00:49:24,133
Speaker 2: off goldplay fans.

1068
00:49:25,253 --> 00:49:27,933
Speaker 16: I think the other thing with a healthy homes too, lads,

1069
00:49:27,973 --> 00:49:31,212
Speaker 16: is you know, unfortunately in society we have to cater

1070
00:49:31,293 --> 00:49:34,453
Speaker 16: to the lowest denominator. So we've got slung landlords out

1071
00:49:34,493 --> 00:49:37,453
Speaker 16: there who are trying to stick families with young children,

1072
00:49:37,493 --> 00:49:40,652
Speaker 16: no doubt, the environments that they're not suited to be in,

1073
00:49:41,253 --> 00:49:43,813
Speaker 16: and a lot of those families don't have a choice.

1074
00:49:44,173 --> 00:49:45,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1075
00:49:45,853 --> 00:49:47,692
Speaker 16: Unfortunately we've got to make it difficult for the rest

1076
00:49:47,733 --> 00:49:51,172
Speaker 16: of us who aren't complete jokers. Yeah, because there are

1077
00:49:51,213 --> 00:49:53,093
Speaker 16: some people who take take the make Yeah.

1078
00:49:53,013 --> 00:49:54,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean that's the problem across of all

1079
00:49:54,933 --> 00:49:57,293
Speaker 2: of society, isn't it. Yeah that you know, and when

1080
00:49:57,333 --> 00:49:59,333
Speaker 2: we think of ourselves we think we would never do that,

1081
00:49:59,373 --> 00:50:01,453
Speaker 2: so we can't really imagine other people doing it. But

1082
00:50:01,493 --> 00:50:03,973
Speaker 2: there's no doubt, as you say, man, there are there

1083
00:50:03,973 --> 00:50:07,013
Speaker 2: are slum lords. But the problem is, I guess what

1084
00:50:07,013 --> 00:50:10,613
Speaker 2: we're bringing up is that certain people like this young

1085
00:50:10,693 --> 00:50:15,172
Speaker 2: gentleman on a herald now this morning, as kind of

1086
00:50:15,213 --> 00:50:19,692
Speaker 2: portraying all landlords as being those slum lords, when that's

1087
00:50:19,773 --> 00:50:23,613
Speaker 2: just not the case. They definitely exist, but I think

1088
00:50:23,693 --> 00:50:27,013
Speaker 2: that most landlords are actually caring people that are and

1089
00:50:27,053 --> 00:50:32,172
Speaker 2: they're not necessarily just totally and utterly cashed up, but

1090
00:50:32,293 --> 00:50:34,172
Speaker 2: they might be trying to, you know, trying to forge

1091
00:50:34,173 --> 00:50:36,613
Speaker 2: a future for themselves and potentially losing money while they're

1092
00:50:36,653 --> 00:50:37,973
Speaker 2: doing it. Thank you so much for you call, Matt.

1093
00:50:37,973 --> 00:50:40,133
Speaker 3: Appreciate that nicely said, and I hope that narrative is

1094
00:50:40,213 --> 00:50:42,293
Speaker 3: changing because these you say, the renters United guy, it's

1095
00:50:42,373 --> 00:50:45,293
Speaker 3: very easy to paint landlords as the villains and renters

1096
00:50:45,293 --> 00:50:47,173
Speaker 3: as the victims, and it's very black and white. But

1097
00:50:47,213 --> 00:50:49,293
Speaker 3: as you say, it is not like that. There's a

1098
00:50:49,293 --> 00:50:51,413
Speaker 3: heck of a lot of gray, and there are most landlords,

1099
00:50:51,413 --> 00:50:54,292
Speaker 3: and for granted, a lot of tenants are very very good.

1100
00:50:54,693 --> 00:50:56,813
Speaker 3: But that narrative that's been played for the last couple

1101
00:50:56,853 --> 00:51:00,173
Speaker 3: of years that somehow the landlords are the bad guys

1102
00:51:00,253 --> 00:51:02,413
Speaker 3: and the tenants of the good guys is just not true.

1103
00:51:02,533 --> 00:51:04,773
Speaker 2: The rents United guy has the attitude that landlords are

1104
00:51:04,813 --> 00:51:06,973
Speaker 2: all cashed up monopoly guys who can just dip into

1105
00:51:06,973 --> 00:51:09,693
Speaker 2: some magical cash reserve, they end up with a bad tenant.

1106
00:51:09,853 --> 00:51:11,813
Speaker 2: In reality, a bad tenant can cause the land or

1107
00:51:11,893 --> 00:51:14,573
Speaker 2: to lose the roof over the heads. Yeah, Dan, you've

1108
00:51:14,573 --> 00:51:17,533
Speaker 2: said it better than iine. Oh talk me about now

1109
00:51:17,533 --> 00:51:18,933
Speaker 2: to try and say that that he just said.

1110
00:51:19,413 --> 00:51:21,172
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Dan, you're saving us. Oh eight

1111
00:51:21,293 --> 00:51:23,533
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's

1112
00:51:23,573 --> 00:51:24,573
Speaker 3: eighteen past two.

1113
00:51:25,093 --> 00:51:29,653
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

1114
00:51:29,693 --> 00:51:33,453
Speaker 1: afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk.

1115
00:51:33,293 --> 00:51:36,252
Speaker 3: Zaid be it's twenty one past two.

1116
00:51:36,613 --> 00:51:38,652
Speaker 2: The sextas is just taking offense about the text you

1117
00:51:38,693 --> 00:51:41,253
Speaker 2: read out about the solo mum. That family did twenty

1118
00:51:41,333 --> 00:51:43,933
Speaker 2: thousand dollars worth of damage which had nothing to do

1119
00:51:44,013 --> 00:51:45,773
Speaker 2: with her being a solo mum. That is a very

1120
00:51:45,853 --> 00:51:48,293
Speaker 2: judgmental way to put down in degrade single parents who

1121
00:51:48,293 --> 00:51:51,533
Speaker 2: find it extremely difficult to be rented a property. Nine

1122
00:51:51,573 --> 00:51:54,053
Speaker 2: percent of single parent families are working their guts out

1123
00:51:54,053 --> 00:51:55,652
Speaker 2: to pay rent and bring up their children just the

1124
00:51:55,653 --> 00:51:58,212
Speaker 2: same as everyone else. Yeah, I think text look would

1125
00:51:58,213 --> 00:52:01,093
Speaker 2: all agree with solo mums doing it doing it hard,

1126
00:52:01,093 --> 00:52:03,053
Speaker 2: But I think you've misunderstood what the person was saying.

1127
00:52:03,413 --> 00:52:05,213
Speaker 2: What they were saying. The text said that he was

1128
00:52:05,213 --> 00:52:07,373
Speaker 2: gutted that he had to kick out that the solo

1129
00:52:07,453 --> 00:52:10,613
Speaker 2: mum and until two children sell up because he couldn't

1130
00:52:10,613 --> 00:52:14,652
Speaker 2: afford the healthy homes changes that needed to be made.

1131
00:52:14,453 --> 00:52:17,733
Speaker 2: The solo mum did no damage to the home. That

1132
00:52:17,853 --> 00:52:20,172
Speaker 2: was the point of the text that came in. So

1133
00:52:20,213 --> 00:52:23,813
Speaker 2: he certainly wasn't degrading the single parents at all. Quite

1134
00:52:23,813 --> 00:52:27,733
Speaker 2: the opposite. He No, he felt personally very upset that

1135
00:52:27,773 --> 00:52:28,853
Speaker 2: he had to move them on.

1136
00:52:29,013 --> 00:52:30,613
Speaker 3: And I'm sad to hear. I don't know if that's

1137
00:52:30,653 --> 00:52:33,053
Speaker 3: the case, but single parents finding it harder to get

1138
00:52:33,093 --> 00:52:35,453
Speaker 3: rentals if you are a single parent, is that true?

1139
00:52:35,853 --> 00:52:39,093
Speaker 3: And I don't understand why a landlord would look down

1140
00:52:39,213 --> 00:52:40,172
Speaker 3: upon a single parent.

1141
00:52:40,373 --> 00:52:43,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean is that still going on? Hope if

1142
00:52:43,773 --> 00:52:47,493
Speaker 2: they can pay the rent, then I don't. I can't

1143
00:52:47,493 --> 00:52:49,253
Speaker 2: imagine the being a problem with the single parent not

1144
00:52:49,253 --> 00:52:49,813
Speaker 2: getting a house.

1145
00:52:49,853 --> 00:52:51,293
Speaker 3: No, oh, e one hundred and eighty ten eighty if

1146
00:52:51,333 --> 00:52:53,733
Speaker 3: you are a single parent, is that true? Quick text

1147
00:52:53,773 --> 00:52:56,653
Speaker 3: here good afternoon, gents. We own a couple of rental

1148
00:52:56,653 --> 00:52:59,453
Speaker 3: properties and we top the mortgages up each week. We're

1149
00:52:59,533 --> 00:53:03,213
Speaker 3: lucky enough to have good tenants, but by no means

1150
00:53:03,533 --> 00:53:06,453
Speaker 3: we are rich. This is our retirement fund. The Labor

1151
00:53:06,493 --> 00:53:11,453
Speaker 3: government also portrayed landlord as all rich cats. This is

1152
00:53:11,493 --> 00:53:13,373
Speaker 3: not the case for most property owners in New Zealand.

1153
00:53:13,733 --> 00:53:15,573
Speaker 2: The six guys. He just said that the house he

1154
00:53:15,613 --> 00:53:18,013
Speaker 2: took off the long term rental market cleared twelve k

1155
00:53:18,093 --> 00:53:20,373
Speaker 2: o afore nights. That is one hundred percent a prime

1156
00:53:20,413 --> 00:53:23,333
Speaker 2: example of long term tenants being victims of greed. That's

1157
00:53:23,333 --> 00:53:23,813
Speaker 2: from Greg.

1158
00:53:24,053 --> 00:53:24,252
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1159
00:53:24,253 --> 00:53:26,093
Speaker 2: But if you own the house, you can make the

1160
00:53:26,173 --> 00:53:29,053
Speaker 2: money the best money you want with it. You're not

1161
00:53:29,093 --> 00:53:32,253
Speaker 2: owed to keep it on any particular market. No, So

1162
00:53:32,293 --> 00:53:34,133
Speaker 2: I mean what kind of person say, you know, it's

1163
00:53:34,133 --> 00:53:36,692
Speaker 2: not a charity being a landlord. I mean in your

1164
00:53:36,733 --> 00:53:37,213
Speaker 2: case it is.

1165
00:53:37,853 --> 00:53:40,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like it.

1166
00:53:39,573 --> 00:53:43,172
Speaker 2: But you know, if you've bought a property and you

1167
00:53:43,173 --> 00:53:46,973
Speaker 2: can make more money and short term rental on it, yeah,

1168
00:53:47,093 --> 00:53:49,053
Speaker 2: then why should you you know?

1169
00:53:49,653 --> 00:53:52,493
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, that's market forces, right, And you asked the question,

1170
00:53:52,653 --> 00:53:54,933
Speaker 3: how was he clearing and not everybody who goes to

1171
00:53:55,013 --> 00:53:58,133
Speaker 3: short term accommodation would be clear and the same that

1172
00:53:58,173 --> 00:54:00,213
Speaker 3: if they had the stability of a long term tenant.

1173
00:54:00,253 --> 00:54:02,453
Speaker 3: But thankfully in Matt's case, he is, but for a

1174
00:54:02,453 --> 00:54:04,333
Speaker 3: lot of other people that go that way, it doesn't

1175
00:54:04,373 --> 00:54:06,093
Speaker 3: quite turn out that they do have a lot of

1176
00:54:06,173 --> 00:54:09,813
Speaker 3: nights that they don't have people occupied in those those properties. Right,

1177
00:54:09,853 --> 00:54:12,133
Speaker 3: We've got to pick up some of your calls very shortly.

1178
00:54:12,173 --> 00:54:13,453
Speaker 3: But if you want to get in on this eight

1179
00:54:13,533 --> 00:54:16,172
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty four lines, but keep trying

1180
00:54:16,213 --> 00:54:18,252
Speaker 3: if you can't get through. It's twenty four past two.

1181
00:54:22,373 --> 00:54:26,093
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1182
00:54:26,133 --> 00:54:29,212
Speaker 1: ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB twenty six past two,

1183
00:54:29,373 --> 00:54:32,493
Speaker 1: Get a jack, hi fello.

1184
00:54:33,093 --> 00:54:37,253
Speaker 4: It's definitely a big topic in it. I mean, everyone's

1185
00:54:37,253 --> 00:54:37,772
Speaker 4: got to live.

1186
00:54:37,693 --> 00:54:43,093
Speaker 18: In a house, and honestly, the healthy home standard has

1187
00:54:43,173 --> 00:54:46,973
Speaker 18: made it very very difficult for people to invest in property,

1188
00:54:47,293 --> 00:54:51,732
Speaker 18: especially older houses, and make some kind of capital gain

1189
00:54:51,813 --> 00:54:55,173
Speaker 18: at it when you've got to contemplate in.

1190
00:54:55,253 --> 00:54:57,693
Speaker 4: Doing all these extra stuff, and a lot of the

1191
00:54:57,733 --> 00:55:00,573
Speaker 4: times you can't. You can't comply with an old house

1192
00:55:00,613 --> 00:55:04,053
Speaker 4: because you can't shield the windows good enough, you know,

1193
00:55:05,013 --> 00:55:07,613
Speaker 4: and everyone talks about, you know, you've got to have

1194
00:55:08,133 --> 00:55:11,413
Speaker 4: heat pump. Well, I recognate excent of people pumps that

1195
00:55:11,453 --> 00:55:14,053
Speaker 4: are put in there not even used because it costs

1196
00:55:14,093 --> 00:55:18,013
Speaker 4: so much much money to run those air conditions that

1197
00:55:18,773 --> 00:55:19,893
Speaker 4: you're going to round them.

1198
00:55:20,253 --> 00:55:22,213
Speaker 2: Is there any Jack, Is there any parts of the

1199
00:55:22,213 --> 00:55:23,893
Speaker 2: healthy home standards that you agree with?

1200
00:55:25,693 --> 00:55:29,333
Speaker 4: A look, I think I think there are some really

1201
00:55:29,373 --> 00:55:33,373
Speaker 4: bad landlords out there, ye five percent, the really bad

1202
00:55:33,453 --> 00:55:36,973
Speaker 4: landlords that have had houses that have never done any

1203
00:55:37,053 --> 00:55:41,652
Speaker 4: for those houses, never done any but miltone, you know.

1204
00:55:41,813 --> 00:55:44,573
Speaker 4: And really the honest try is is that I think

1205
00:55:44,613 --> 00:55:47,133
Speaker 4: the healthy home standing is getting beyond the point where

1206
00:55:47,133 --> 00:55:49,732
Speaker 4: you've got to have a new home to actually rent

1207
00:55:49,733 --> 00:55:53,093
Speaker 4: a house just about because it's it's got the stage

1208
00:55:53,293 --> 00:55:55,333
Speaker 4: where you know you have a new home. No wants

1209
00:55:55,333 --> 00:55:58,613
Speaker 4: to rent new homes either, ycause they you know, you

1210
00:55:58,693 --> 00:56:00,533
Speaker 4: never have a new you have a new home you

1211
00:56:00,613 --> 00:56:03,853
Speaker 4: rented out. It's you know, never the same many again

1212
00:56:03,893 --> 00:56:06,253
Speaker 4: after five years unless you get the real pretendant who

1213
00:56:06,293 --> 00:56:10,093
Speaker 4: really loves a house. I myself, if I've been in

1214
00:56:10,093 --> 00:56:13,093
Speaker 4: the regial industry for years, an investment market and it's

1215
00:56:13,133 --> 00:56:15,013
Speaker 4: got to the point where it's not worth it That's

1216
00:56:15,013 --> 00:56:18,333
Speaker 4: why it's so not worth it having rentals above forty

1217
00:56:18,333 --> 00:56:23,533
Speaker 4: percent of borrowing money. It's just not worth it. With

1218
00:56:23,653 --> 00:56:26,933
Speaker 4: the rates in mid seventy, healthy home hare standards made

1219
00:56:26,933 --> 00:56:29,533
Speaker 4: it very, very difficult to make any kind of money

1220
00:56:29,653 --> 00:56:30,772
Speaker 4: except capitalization.

1221
00:56:31,493 --> 00:56:34,373
Speaker 2: What about this? Text to Jack says, oh my god.

1222
00:56:34,453 --> 00:56:37,293
Speaker 2: The Healthy home regulation stemmed from the coroner's request to

1223
00:56:37,333 --> 00:56:40,693
Speaker 2: greatly improve rental standards because there were way too many

1224
00:56:40,773 --> 00:56:44,213
Speaker 2: children getting sick and even dying due to cold, damp,

1225
00:56:44,253 --> 00:56:47,373
Speaker 2: and moldi living conditions. Some families are sometimes forced to

1226
00:56:47,413 --> 00:56:49,853
Speaker 2: live an inadequate family. I feel like you guys are

1227
00:56:49,893 --> 00:56:53,293
Speaker 2: being dense deliberately as usual. No, no, we're not being

1228
00:56:53,333 --> 00:56:56,573
Speaker 2: deliberately dense. If we are near, if we're deliberately. If

1229
00:56:56,573 --> 00:57:00,053
Speaker 2: we're being dense, then that's by accident. Text, But what

1230
00:57:00,493 --> 00:57:01,493
Speaker 2: do you say to that, Jack?

1231
00:57:03,013 --> 00:57:05,333
Speaker 4: Well, look what I say is, yes, there are a

1232
00:57:05,373 --> 00:57:07,813
Speaker 4: lot there are homes out there that don't need to

1233
00:57:07,893 --> 00:57:10,732
Speaker 4: stand it. But eighty percent, I'm going to be honest

1234
00:57:10,733 --> 00:57:13,013
Speaker 4: with you, seventy percent of war homes that are owned

1235
00:57:13,013 --> 00:57:13,813
Speaker 4: to occupy you.

1236
00:57:16,533 --> 00:57:18,813
Speaker 3: Just lost you, Jack, Sorry, sorry, just pack up, sorry mate,

1237
00:57:18,813 --> 00:57:21,613
Speaker 3: you we lost you there. So eighty percent that our

1238
00:57:21,613 --> 00:57:22,693
Speaker 3: owner occupied pack.

1239
00:57:22,533 --> 00:57:26,973
Speaker 4: That I reckon, I reckon seventy five to eighty eighty

1240
00:57:27,013 --> 00:57:29,693
Speaker 4: percent of war homes out there, seventy five percent of

1241
00:57:29,733 --> 00:57:32,893
Speaker 4: all owner occupied hopes. I'm not up to standard to

1242
00:57:32,933 --> 00:57:33,533
Speaker 4: liven either.

1243
00:57:33,773 --> 00:57:36,413
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Well that's exactly the case with you, Tyler,

1244
00:57:36,453 --> 00:57:37,893
Speaker 2: wasn't it. So when you wanted to move out of

1245
00:57:37,933 --> 00:57:39,253
Speaker 2: your house and rent to it, you had to make

1246
00:57:39,293 --> 00:57:41,533
Speaker 2: it significantly better than it had been when you were

1247
00:57:41,573 --> 00:57:44,693
Speaker 2: living in it happily. And your house was built in

1248
00:57:44,733 --> 00:57:47,093
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. Yeah, so it was pretty, you know, a

1249
00:57:47,133 --> 00:57:49,293
Speaker 2: fairly fairly new house. But we had to go through

1250
00:57:49,293 --> 00:57:52,293
Speaker 2: this god awful process. So I had all the plans there,

1251
00:57:52,333 --> 00:57:54,253
Speaker 2: So I actually had the plans that I could show

1252
00:57:54,333 --> 00:57:55,693
Speaker 2: the guy that was coming in for the health the

1253
00:57:55,733 --> 00:57:56,333
Speaker 2: owned standards.

1254
00:57:56,333 --> 00:57:58,053
Speaker 3: He said, Nah, that doesn't matter. I'm going to need

1255
00:57:58,093 --> 00:57:59,653
Speaker 3: to cut a hole in the floor to double check.

1256
00:57:59,893 --> 00:58:00,973
Speaker 3: Thinking this is crazy.

1257
00:58:01,053 --> 00:58:05,293
Speaker 2: So this text that's that's called us dense rightly or wrongly, Well,

1258
00:58:05,573 --> 00:58:07,533
Speaker 2: you're kind of missing the point of our argument. We're saying,

1259
00:58:07,533 --> 00:58:09,533
Speaker 2: whereas the balance thing too far? Because I don't think

1260
00:58:09,573 --> 00:58:12,453
Speaker 2: there's anyone that is arguing that you should be able

1261
00:58:12,493 --> 00:58:16,293
Speaker 2: to rent out a house that is making kids sick

1262
00:58:16,333 --> 00:58:20,533
Speaker 2: and is cold and damp and moldy. No one's saying that,

1263
00:58:20,573 --> 00:58:23,933
Speaker 2: they're just asking whether. We're asking two questions. One, whether

1264
00:58:23,973 --> 00:58:27,133
Speaker 2: the healthy homestanders are moved too far. In your case,

1265
00:58:27,613 --> 00:58:29,253
Speaker 2: you're happy to live in that home was the best

1266
00:58:29,253 --> 00:58:31,053
Speaker 2: house you'd ever lived in, and you had to spend

1267
00:58:31,173 --> 00:58:33,253
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of dollars to make it better for

1268
00:58:33,253 --> 00:58:35,813
Speaker 2: a client. It was a long way from cold, damp,

1269
00:58:35,933 --> 00:58:41,853
Speaker 2: moldy people kids dying exactly a situation. So and also

1270
00:58:41,893 --> 00:58:44,413
Speaker 2: we're asking the other question is you know how you're

1271
00:58:44,413 --> 00:58:47,173
Speaker 2: feeling as a landlord. Are you still feeling like you're

1272
00:58:47,173 --> 00:58:53,413
Speaker 2: being portrayed as the monopoly bored, monocle wearing mustache twirling

1273
00:58:53,453 --> 00:58:57,893
Speaker 2: evil slum lord or do you think that there's that

1274
00:58:58,173 --> 00:59:00,293
Speaker 2: most people see that most landlords are trying to make

1275
00:59:00,293 --> 00:59:00,733
Speaker 2: an effort.

1276
00:59:00,893 --> 00:59:02,493
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number

1277
00:59:02,533 --> 00:59:05,093
Speaker 3: to call. And also the follow up question from Matt.

1278
00:59:05,093 --> 00:59:06,653
Speaker 3: We've had a few bites, but we want to hear

1279
00:59:07,013 --> 00:59:11,373
Speaker 3: from more people. Should there be a second tear rental

1280
00:59:11,453 --> 00:59:14,173
Speaker 3: situation where if you're a young fella like Matt was,

1281
00:59:14,533 --> 00:59:16,453
Speaker 3: and he wanted to put some money away for his

1282
00:59:16,573 --> 00:59:19,293
Speaker 3: dreams of a better future and buy some booze that

1283
00:59:19,333 --> 00:59:21,693
Speaker 3: you can rent out a tinny little shack. You got

1284
00:59:21,773 --> 00:59:23,693
Speaker 3: rats under the bed for thirty five bucks a week.

1285
00:59:23,773 --> 00:59:26,053
Speaker 2: What's the problem the healthy young man that cannot be

1286
00:59:26,813 --> 00:59:32,293
Speaker 2: cannot be damaged? Who just clause New homeston't always meet

1287
00:59:32,333 --> 00:59:34,613
Speaker 2: the HR standard. It's ridiculous that I can buy and

1288
00:59:34,653 --> 00:59:36,333
Speaker 2: live in a new home and yet my tenants are

1289
00:59:36,333 --> 00:59:38,653
Speaker 2: required to live in a higher standard of home than me.

1290
00:59:38,853 --> 00:59:42,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. It is twenty eight to three headlines

1291
00:59:42,653 --> 00:59:44,573
Speaker 3: with Wendy coming up. Then we'll take more of your

1292
00:59:44,613 --> 00:59:46,733
Speaker 3: phone calls on our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1293
00:59:49,013 --> 00:59:52,253
Speaker 13: Youth Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1294
00:59:52,253 --> 00:59:55,853
Speaker 13: no trouble with a blue bubble. Confusion over acclaim from

1295
00:59:55,933 --> 01:00:00,253
Speaker 13: Donald Trump of a ceasefire in Iran Israel hostilities. Iran's

1296
01:00:00,253 --> 01:00:03,213
Speaker 13: foreign minister has posted a denial on X but it

1297
01:00:03,253 --> 01:00:06,933
Speaker 13: has written it will stop it strikes if Israel desists.

1298
01:00:07,413 --> 01:00:11,133
Speaker 13: Iran retalia overnight to US strikes on its nuclear sides

1299
01:00:11,373 --> 01:00:14,573
Speaker 13: and an intercepted attack on a US military base and cutter,

1300
01:00:14,933 --> 01:00:18,293
Speaker 13: with reports it also targeted a base in Iraq. Iraq

1301
01:00:18,373 --> 01:00:23,533
Speaker 13: reportedly warned the US first business in Z's latest quarterly

1302
01:00:23,573 --> 01:00:27,653
Speaker 13: planning forecast indicates the economy will grow at nearly three

1303
01:00:27,693 --> 01:00:31,373
Speaker 13: percent by twenty twenty seven, but WARN's international events will

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01:00:31,413 --> 01:00:35,653
Speaker 13: affect our prospects. A new form to track ammunition sales

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01:00:35,733 --> 01:00:39,093
Speaker 13: is unavailable on its first day. From today, purchases are

1306
01:00:39,133 --> 01:00:42,373
Speaker 13: required to be recorded in the government's registry using the

1307
01:00:42,413 --> 01:00:46,453
Speaker 13: Dealer Transaction Form. Human remains have been found in a

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01:00:46,493 --> 01:00:49,493
Speaker 13: garden in Wellington's or Federal Bay and police are working

1309
01:00:49,533 --> 01:00:52,693
Speaker 13: to find out how old they are. Almost seventy seven

1310
01:00:52,773 --> 01:00:55,573
Speaker 13: million dollars is being funneled into different search and rescue

1311
01:00:55,613 --> 01:01:00,333
Speaker 13: teams over three years, including Lansar Maritime, New Zealand Coastguard

1312
01:01:00,613 --> 01:01:05,173
Speaker 13: and Surf Life Saving and homeschooling numbers doubled despite missing

1313
01:01:05,173 --> 01:01:08,413
Speaker 13: out on funding boost. Find out more at Enzet Herald.

1314
01:01:08,893 --> 01:01:10,173
Speaker 13: Now back to Masson Tyler.

1315
01:01:10,253 --> 01:01:12,493
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy, and we are talking about

1316
01:01:12,573 --> 01:01:15,173
Speaker 3: landlords and tenants. On the first of July, that is

1317
01:01:15,173 --> 01:01:18,213
Speaker 3: a week from today, the deadline for the Healthy Homes

1318
01:01:18,253 --> 01:01:21,293
Speaker 3: compliance comes into effect. But we are talking about the

1319
01:01:21,293 --> 01:01:23,013
Speaker 3: balance of power. Where does it lie? Does it ligne

1320
01:01:23,053 --> 01:01:26,173
Speaker 3: with the landlords, does it lie with the tenants. According

1321
01:01:26,213 --> 01:01:28,893
Speaker 3: to a panel discussion on the Herald, now, the property

1322
01:01:28,893 --> 01:01:32,573
Speaker 3: federations say most landlords are pretty happy, but Rents United

1323
01:01:32,853 --> 01:01:36,093
Speaker 3: says that there's a massive power imbalance towards the landlord.

1324
01:01:36,133 --> 01:01:36,653
Speaker 3: What do you say?

1325
01:01:36,853 --> 01:01:38,373
Speaker 2: The sixth says, to be fair, if you own a

1326
01:01:38,413 --> 01:01:40,293
Speaker 2: rental house, say in Auckland, and it has a value

1327
01:01:40,333 --> 01:01:43,093
Speaker 2: of between eight hundred and one point two million, then

1328
01:01:43,333 --> 01:01:46,133
Speaker 2: have to spend about ten to fifteen k on heat

1329
01:01:46,173 --> 01:01:50,493
Speaker 2: pump sinsulation, mechanical ventilation. Seems like a small amount to pay.

1330
01:01:50,973 --> 01:01:53,013
Speaker 2: Kind regards. Boomer mc boomer pemps.

1331
01:01:53,093 --> 01:01:55,053
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks, yeah, thank you very much.

1332
01:01:55,453 --> 01:01:58,053
Speaker 2: What a load of crap boys. These people with mold

1333
01:01:58,053 --> 01:01:59,693
Speaker 2: and such need to get a mop and a bucket,

1334
01:01:59,693 --> 01:02:02,093
Speaker 2: a cloth and do some cleaning. Open a window, be

1335
01:02:02,133 --> 01:02:07,853
Speaker 2: thankful for a roof. Cheers angry Now there was one

1336
01:02:07,893 --> 01:02:09,813
Speaker 2: that you want to answer to, Tyler?

1337
01:02:09,893 --> 01:02:11,133
Speaker 3: Oh yes, where did that go?

1338
01:02:11,293 --> 01:02:11,813
Speaker 2: It was.

1339
01:02:13,693 --> 01:02:14,213
Speaker 3: A go at me.

1340
01:02:14,413 --> 01:02:17,093
Speaker 2: I really can't understand the pushback from any decent landlord

1341
01:02:17,133 --> 01:02:21,293
Speaker 2: regarding the healthy Homes compliance. The homes we currently used

1342
01:02:21,293 --> 01:02:24,293
Speaker 2: as rentals are older homes nineteen sixties to ninety seventies,

1343
01:02:24,453 --> 01:02:26,733
Speaker 2: to make them more compliant. With Compliant was very easy

1344
01:02:26,733 --> 01:02:29,853
Speaker 2: process with little cost needed heat pump, insulation upgraded. We

1345
01:02:30,013 --> 01:02:33,533
Speaker 2: needed extractor fans, sell up a couple of drafts, easy

1346
01:02:33,653 --> 01:02:36,293
Speaker 2: as what are you winging about, Tyler Adams.

1347
01:02:36,093 --> 01:02:38,573
Speaker 3: Well, deah text, So let me just go through how

1348
01:02:38,613 --> 01:02:40,453
Speaker 3: much we spent. So bearing in mind, this was a

1349
01:02:40,533 --> 01:02:43,693
Speaker 3: house that was built in twenty sixteen and double glazed everywhere,

1350
01:02:43,933 --> 01:02:46,253
Speaker 3: and we thought was efficient with the heating. So it

1351
01:02:46,293 --> 01:02:48,973
Speaker 3: had a palette fire in the lounge and another heat

1352
01:02:48,973 --> 01:02:50,333
Speaker 3: pump in the back of the room. So we had

1353
01:02:50,373 --> 01:02:52,533
Speaker 3: to get another heat pump. This is only for a

1354
01:02:52,533 --> 01:02:54,933
Speaker 3: house that's one hundred and ten square meters, so not

1355
01:02:54,973 --> 01:02:57,053
Speaker 3: a huge property. Had to get another heat pump. So

1356
01:02:57,093 --> 01:02:58,773
Speaker 3: we already had a heat pump and a palate fire.

1357
01:02:59,533 --> 01:03:01,293
Speaker 3: Then we had to spend three hundred bucks to get

1358
01:03:01,293 --> 01:03:04,733
Speaker 3: a technician. And I had all the documents there on

1359
01:03:04,773 --> 01:03:07,613
Speaker 3: the when they built the house, what the insulation levels were,

1360
01:03:07,693 --> 01:03:10,213
Speaker 3: All of that documentation was there, and he said, doesn't matter.

1361
01:03:10,333 --> 01:03:11,813
Speaker 3: I'm going to have to go through it bit by

1362
01:03:11,853 --> 01:03:13,853
Speaker 3: bit and charge you three hundred bucks to make sure

1363
01:03:14,253 --> 01:03:16,693
Speaker 3: you meet all these healthy home standards. Then he couldn't

1364
01:03:16,733 --> 01:03:18,773
Speaker 3: get under the floor and I said, surely you can

1365
01:03:18,813 --> 01:03:21,693
Speaker 3: just look at this plan. It does have insulation under

1366
01:03:21,693 --> 01:03:23,933
Speaker 3: the floor and that moisture level as well. He said, no,

1367
01:03:24,093 --> 01:03:25,573
Speaker 3: I'm going to have to cut a hole in your floor.

1368
01:03:25,773 --> 01:03:27,253
Speaker 3: So you cut the hole in the floor. That was

1369
01:03:27,293 --> 01:03:29,773
Speaker 3: another three hundred bucks. We had to replace the shower

1370
01:03:30,053 --> 01:03:32,213
Speaker 3: and get a new extractor fan because the extractor fan

1371
01:03:32,293 --> 01:03:34,613
Speaker 3: we had in there didn't meet wasn't up to the

1372
01:03:34,653 --> 01:03:36,413
Speaker 3: new Healthy home standards, so we had to do that.

1373
01:03:36,773 --> 01:03:39,093
Speaker 2: Just to reiterate, this is a house built in twenty

1374
01:03:39,293 --> 01:03:41,813
Speaker 2: sixteen and a nice place that we.

1375
01:03:41,693 --> 01:03:44,173
Speaker 3: Had lived in for four years and we were very

1376
01:03:44,173 --> 01:03:46,653
Speaker 3: happy with the place. Had to get their greenhouse removed

1377
01:03:46,653 --> 01:03:48,573
Speaker 3: in the back because the new tenants had children. It

1378
01:03:48,573 --> 01:03:51,413
Speaker 3: was a glass greenhouse, so with the health and safety situation,

1379
01:03:51,493 --> 01:03:53,893
Speaker 3: we had to completely remove all that and make sure

1380
01:03:53,893 --> 01:03:55,893
Speaker 3: there was no glass in there. And fair enough, we

1381
01:03:55,933 --> 01:03:58,253
Speaker 3: did all these things, but my point is it cost

1382
01:03:58,333 --> 01:04:00,693
Speaker 3: us thousands and thousands of bucks to get that up

1383
01:04:00,733 --> 01:04:03,093
Speaker 3: to scratch. When we were living in this property that

1384
01:04:03,293 --> 01:04:06,613
Speaker 3: was almost brand new for four years with no problems.

1385
01:04:06,653 --> 01:04:09,133
Speaker 3: We're very happy, best time with it lived in. That

1386
01:04:09,293 --> 01:04:09,813
Speaker 3: is my point.

1387
01:04:09,973 --> 01:04:12,133
Speaker 2: And now after making it better than it ever was

1388
01:04:12,173 --> 01:04:13,653
Speaker 2: when you were living in it, and you and your

1389
01:04:13,693 --> 01:04:16,453
Speaker 2: lovely partner were very happy in there. Tyler, your tenants

1390
01:04:16,453 --> 01:04:18,173
Speaker 2: if you don't mind me sharing, I mean you've shared

1391
01:04:18,213 --> 01:04:21,893
Speaker 2: it so obviously you don't mind, and now complaining and

1392
01:04:22,613 --> 01:04:23,973
Speaker 2: wanting further changes.

1393
01:04:24,053 --> 01:04:24,853
Speaker 3: They're still niggles.

1394
01:04:24,893 --> 01:04:27,213
Speaker 2: So they're trying to live in a house that's better

1395
01:04:27,453 --> 01:04:30,973
Speaker 2: than anyone in the history of humanity has ever lived

1396
01:04:30,973 --> 01:04:37,013
Speaker 2: in and claiming massive victimhood because this twenty sixteen built

1397
01:04:37,013 --> 01:04:40,333
Speaker 2: house that you've taken completely up to healthy home standards,

1398
01:04:40,333 --> 01:04:44,813
Speaker 2: beyond what anyone could ever accuse of being an unhealthy home.

1399
01:04:44,933 --> 01:04:47,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think you know, they look at us like,

1400
01:04:47,173 --> 01:04:49,413
Speaker 3: as you say, the monopoly man with a little monocle

1401
01:04:49,653 --> 01:04:52,093
Speaker 3: and the mustage and twisting and we're driving around and

1402
01:04:52,213 --> 01:04:54,493
Speaker 3: rolls royces. Clearly that's not the case.

1403
01:04:54,653 --> 01:04:58,373
Speaker 2: No, you've got a humiliating hybrid, but that's not the point.

1404
01:05:00,733 --> 01:05:02,973
Speaker 2: And some of the work that you do, and you

1405
01:05:03,013 --> 01:05:05,413
Speaker 2: work very hard. I'm very impressed with you as a

1406
01:05:05,413 --> 01:05:10,133
Speaker 2: person in termso your you know how conscientious you are.

1407
01:05:10,173 --> 01:05:11,893
Speaker 2: Some of the hours that you work, quite a lot

1408
01:05:11,893 --> 01:05:14,213
Speaker 2: of them are subsidizing the rent on that house.

1409
01:05:14,293 --> 01:05:16,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, most of them. You know how much I get paid. Yeah,

1410
01:05:16,453 --> 01:05:17,973
Speaker 3: I mean pretty much my whole day.

1411
01:05:19,733 --> 01:05:24,453
Speaker 2: You're so far from the monocle and the mustache and

1412
01:05:24,573 --> 01:05:26,853
Speaker 2: the monopoly board. Tim your thoughts on this.

1413
01:05:28,333 --> 01:05:30,453
Speaker 19: Gentlemen, they're given them a thought O reckon? This has

1414
01:05:30,493 --> 01:05:33,293
Speaker 19: got leaps Well, Matt, why do we not have I

1415
01:05:33,293 --> 01:05:35,973
Speaker 19: mean all the greens can bleak and carry on. We've

1416
01:05:36,013 --> 01:05:38,613
Speaker 19: got women living with their kids and cars. For God's sake,

1417
01:05:38,653 --> 01:05:40,333
Speaker 19: we're never going to live in a healthy ear or

1418
01:05:40,373 --> 01:05:45,053
Speaker 19: afford one. Why can't land or a tear two standard

1419
01:05:45,653 --> 01:05:47,453
Speaker 19: that they have to sign up for they can't judge

1420
01:05:47,493 --> 01:05:50,573
Speaker 19: able to say, sixty percent of retail and warehouses and

1421
01:05:50,653 --> 01:05:52,213
Speaker 19: stuff as long as though they have to get a

1422
01:05:52,253 --> 01:05:57,973
Speaker 19: certificate fitness or sanitary water and the basics fier regress

1423
01:05:58,253 --> 01:05:59,653
Speaker 19: and old warehouses that whatever.

1424
01:05:59,653 --> 01:06:00,653
Speaker 10: People could rent them out.

1425
01:06:00,933 --> 01:06:01,733
Speaker 2: Yeah they might.

1426
01:06:02,053 --> 01:06:03,853
Speaker 19: I hate laws, but maybe they should have a cap

1427
01:06:03,893 --> 01:06:06,293
Speaker 19: so people can't take advantage. You might find it takes

1428
01:06:06,293 --> 01:06:08,653
Speaker 19: pressure off the market and you get a whole people

1429
01:06:08,653 --> 01:06:10,333
Speaker 19: on benefits and stuff to be housed.

1430
01:06:10,893 --> 01:06:13,413
Speaker 10: Yeah, so that's got no time to get their healthy home.

1431
01:06:13,253 --> 01:06:16,213
Speaker 19: At six hundred and seven hundred dollars for their two children.

1432
01:06:16,333 --> 01:06:17,933
Speaker 19: Never in a million years, they wouldn't even be able

1433
01:06:17,973 --> 01:06:19,733
Speaker 19: to start, but they might be able to pay two

1434
01:06:19,813 --> 01:06:22,333
Speaker 19: hundred and eighty dollars to live in a commercial warehouse

1435
01:06:22,773 --> 01:06:24,213
Speaker 19: off of space or something tidally.

1436
01:06:24,533 --> 01:06:28,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe it's not even you know, families are

1437
01:06:28,613 --> 01:06:30,933
Speaker 2: kind of a different thing. But the circumstance I was

1438
01:06:30,933 --> 01:06:33,253
Speaker 2: talking before. You know, a twenty year old moving to

1439
01:06:33,293 --> 01:06:35,733
Speaker 2: a big city, hasn't got any money, wants to make

1440
01:06:35,773 --> 01:06:38,253
Speaker 2: his way in the big city, and also wants to

1441
01:06:38,333 --> 01:06:41,533
Speaker 2: drink heavily, wants to just sleep in the shed, and

1442
01:06:41,573 --> 01:06:43,853
Speaker 2: he's not going to get sick. But you know, and

1443
01:06:43,893 --> 01:06:46,613
Speaker 2: also sorry you go, tim so, but just.

1444
01:06:46,613 --> 01:06:49,573
Speaker 19: But I mean, there are thousands of beneficiaries who cannot

1445
01:06:49,613 --> 01:06:51,853
Speaker 19: afford Look at look at the dumps they had them

1446
01:06:51,853 --> 01:06:53,693
Speaker 19: in a napier. Whether all the hotels were going to

1447
01:06:53,773 --> 01:06:56,253
Speaker 19: use this, they wound up doing his standards. One bed

1448
01:06:56,333 --> 01:06:59,053
Speaker 19: of their families are six and seven living them. Give

1449
01:06:59,093 --> 01:07:01,613
Speaker 19: them the opportunity to sign up for a second tear property.

1450
01:07:01,693 --> 01:07:03,973
Speaker 19: They know what they getting there has to be stipulated

1451
01:07:03,973 --> 01:07:06,613
Speaker 19: what they getted, and I'm not allowed to be gouged

1452
01:07:06,653 --> 01:07:08,373
Speaker 19: for it. And they might find some of that. He

1453
01:07:08,413 --> 01:07:10,893
Speaker 19: comes out of the actual retail market as well. Maybe

1454
01:07:10,893 --> 01:07:12,773
Speaker 19: when they get life kids on the better track for

1455
01:07:12,893 --> 01:07:14,213
Speaker 19: making them for tier one.

1456
01:07:14,373 --> 01:07:16,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for your call, Tim. Yeah, so sort of,

1457
01:07:17,093 --> 01:07:18,373
Speaker 2: you know. And it's not taking it down to the

1458
01:07:18,373 --> 01:07:21,933
Speaker 2: whole place being full of mold. No, but it's not

1459
01:07:22,053 --> 01:07:26,013
Speaker 2: quite the a A plus plus plus situation here with

1460
01:07:26,053 --> 01:07:29,253
Speaker 2: their healthy homes, you know, just just for that, just

1461
01:07:29,253 --> 01:07:31,293
Speaker 2: for that absolute piece of crap that's moved up to

1462
01:07:31,333 --> 01:07:33,973
Speaker 2: Dunedin to Auckland and wants to live like a scumbag

1463
01:07:34,013 --> 01:07:38,253
Speaker 2: for for a few years now, Tyler, people are questioning Tyler,

1464
01:07:38,293 --> 01:07:41,413
Speaker 2: sounds like you've got the wrong healthy homes inspector. That's crazy.

1465
01:07:42,013 --> 01:07:43,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, well maybe, but.

1466
01:07:43,333 --> 01:07:45,733
Speaker 2: Tyler, you're the rat on the on the running wheel,

1467
01:07:45,773 --> 01:07:47,533
Speaker 2: working hard to pay into the system.

1468
01:07:47,573 --> 01:07:49,653
Speaker 3: Yes, spot on text. So that's exactly what I am.

1469
01:07:49,733 --> 01:07:50,933
Speaker 3: That's what I feel like anyway.

1470
01:07:52,413 --> 01:07:55,293
Speaker 2: Maybe rubbish to start with, even if it was build

1471
01:07:55,293 --> 01:07:57,933
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. Have you got a dud, Tyler, boy,

1472
01:07:57,933 --> 01:07:58,453
Speaker 2: there's a lot.

1473
01:07:58,373 --> 01:08:00,373
Speaker 3: Of not as much a pushback.

1474
01:08:00,533 --> 01:08:05,573
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of sympathy coming through shapers lads.

1475
01:08:05,573 --> 01:08:08,693
Speaker 2: God quit whining. It's all text deductible. It's cost only

1476
01:08:08,773 --> 01:08:11,773
Speaker 2: until the subsequent tax years cheers MICUs Marcus, boy, you

1477
01:08:11,893 --> 01:08:13,533
Speaker 2: got absolute zero sympathy.

1478
01:08:13,813 --> 01:08:13,933
Speaker 20: No.

1479
01:08:14,213 --> 01:08:16,333
Speaker 3: I thought I made a good case, but no, all

1480
01:08:16,372 --> 01:08:16,772
Speaker 3: you got.

1481
01:08:16,693 --> 01:08:20,213
Speaker 2: As a tiny little violin shoved up your nose.

1482
01:08:21,093 --> 01:08:22,813
Speaker 3: Oh had one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1483
01:08:22,893 --> 01:08:24,253
Speaker 3: number to call if you want to give me a

1484
01:08:24,253 --> 01:08:26,412
Speaker 3: bit of a serve. You're more than welcome at nineteen

1485
01:08:26,532 --> 01:08:27,333
Speaker 3: ninety two is Dix.

1486
01:08:27,732 --> 01:08:29,333
Speaker 2: What do you think about this saying that's come through

1487
01:08:29,492 --> 01:08:32,333
Speaker 2: it's a tenants home, but the landlord's house beautiful?

1488
01:08:32,372 --> 01:08:33,293
Speaker 3: Did you write that yourself?

1489
01:08:33,652 --> 01:08:34,772
Speaker 2: Andrews sent it through from studio.

1490
01:08:34,812 --> 01:08:38,492
Speaker 3: But he's good an, he's a fresh take.

1491
01:08:38,572 --> 01:08:42,173
Speaker 1: On talk back, it's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

1492
01:08:42,213 --> 01:08:45,093
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty news

1493
01:08:45,173 --> 01:08:45,732
Speaker 1: Talk b.

1494
01:08:46,053 --> 01:08:47,333
Speaker 3: It is fourteen to three.

1495
01:08:47,452 --> 01:08:49,812
Speaker 2: I'm starting to worry that your healthy homes and speactor

1496
01:08:50,133 --> 01:08:54,612
Speaker 2: was some kind of practical joke or someone impersonating healthy

1497
01:08:54,612 --> 01:08:57,133
Speaker 2: game inspeact. That this person's saying the glasshouse in the

1498
01:08:57,173 --> 01:08:59,333
Speaker 2: back guard should absolutely not have been a problem, and

1499
01:08:59,412 --> 01:09:00,612
Speaker 2: the extractor fan was fine.

1500
01:09:00,652 --> 01:09:02,772
Speaker 3: I didn't ask for ID actually or any sort of

1501
01:09:02,812 --> 01:09:05,293
Speaker 3: identification of this fellow. Maybe it was just off the street,

1502
01:09:05,333 --> 01:09:06,612
Speaker 3: but we paid them well.

1503
01:09:06,812 --> 01:09:08,652
Speaker 2: This Texas says we have a staff house that does

1504
01:09:08,652 --> 01:09:11,052
Speaker 2: not meet the standards. It has a very good fire

1505
01:09:11,053 --> 01:09:14,012
Speaker 2: which keeps the house very warm. We supplied unlimited firewood.

1506
01:09:14,013 --> 01:09:15,612
Speaker 2: In twelve months, the house is going to be pulled

1507
01:09:15,652 --> 01:09:17,973
Speaker 2: down as it's not worth revamping. There will be a

1508
01:09:18,093 --> 01:09:20,333
Speaker 2: house available on the farm in twelve months. The house

1509
01:09:20,333 --> 01:09:23,612
Speaker 2: I live in on the farmers not up to standard,

1510
01:09:23,652 --> 01:09:27,932
Speaker 2: but I own it, so I really don't care. Craig,

1511
01:09:28,452 --> 01:09:29,213
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

1512
01:09:30,213 --> 01:09:33,572
Speaker 21: Good, how are you guys. We've just advertised for a tenant.

1513
01:09:33,572 --> 01:09:37,333
Speaker 20: We've just got a tenant brandsman, can you little two

1514
01:09:37,372 --> 01:09:41,652
Speaker 20: bedroom house, beautiful little house and it's fully furnished, brand

1515
01:09:41,692 --> 01:09:45,173
Speaker 20: new beds, dining room, table, everything, and it's brand spanking new.

1516
01:09:45,692 --> 01:09:47,492
Speaker 20: And we've just put a couple in it that were

1517
01:09:47,492 --> 01:09:52,972
Speaker 20: living in their car. And honestly, she's probably three can

1518
01:09:53,053 --> 01:09:55,652
Speaker 20: sort of a six pack. He's done quite a bit

1519
01:09:55,652 --> 01:09:59,812
Speaker 20: of jail. But she was honest when she boned us.

1520
01:10:00,133 --> 01:10:02,852
Speaker 20: The first thing she said was, no one looks at

1521
01:10:02,933 --> 01:10:07,173
Speaker 20: us as I've got bad debt, we're homeless, and we

1522
01:10:07,213 --> 01:10:11,173
Speaker 20: said come and have a chat. And so we've given

1523
01:10:11,213 --> 01:10:13,572
Speaker 20: them a go they've been with us six weeks now

1524
01:10:14,293 --> 01:10:19,253
Speaker 20: that we do weekly inspections the first week. Even if

1525
01:10:19,293 --> 01:10:23,093
Speaker 20: it's a brand new home that meets all the coves,

1526
01:10:23,173 --> 01:10:25,692
Speaker 20: and these people aren't taught what to do, the house

1527
01:10:25,692 --> 01:10:28,333
Speaker 20: will be full of mold with it within one winter,

1528
01:10:29,933 --> 01:10:33,173
Speaker 20: you know. Just the rubbish was piling up after a

1529
01:10:33,213 --> 01:10:35,572
Speaker 20: week and all that kind of thing. And so we

1530
01:10:35,692 --> 01:10:38,892
Speaker 20: went in and we said, well, this ain't going to happen. Oh,

1531
01:10:39,173 --> 01:10:43,572
Speaker 20: cut shorts. Six weeks down the track, the house is spotless.

1532
01:10:43,812 --> 01:10:46,372
Speaker 20: She's out of bed every morning. The curtains are open,

1533
01:10:46,452 --> 01:10:50,213
Speaker 20: the windows that are open, the dishes are done. She's

1534
01:10:50,293 --> 01:10:53,093
Speaker 20: learned how to use the washing machine. She's learned that

1535
01:10:53,093 --> 01:10:55,932
Speaker 20: you've got to put a chicken in a baking dish

1536
01:10:56,013 --> 01:10:57,973
Speaker 20: or whatever, and you don't just put it in the

1537
01:10:58,013 --> 01:11:00,333
Speaker 20: oven with and nothing.

1538
01:11:00,452 --> 01:11:04,893
Speaker 9: You know, these people have to learn how to live.

1539
01:11:05,853 --> 01:11:08,812
Speaker 21: My wife doesn't work, and she's appeared to spend time.

1540
01:11:09,412 --> 01:11:12,652
Speaker 21: But the change in six weeks and these people and

1541
01:11:12,812 --> 01:11:15,573
Speaker 21: house brow they are, it's incredible.

1542
01:11:15,692 --> 01:11:17,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. You sound like great people. Cray good

1543
01:11:17,893 --> 01:11:19,572
Speaker 2: good on you. But that is a good point. And

1544
01:11:19,772 --> 01:11:22,213
Speaker 2: just I know we're punishing you tighter around your house.

1545
01:11:23,253 --> 01:11:26,253
Speaker 2: But it's a condensation issue, right, And no matter what

1546
01:11:26,293 --> 01:11:30,572
Speaker 2: you do in a colder climate like christ Church, not

1547
01:11:30,692 --> 01:11:33,812
Speaker 2: super cold, but colder than in some climates, no matter

1548
01:11:33,893 --> 01:11:36,213
Speaker 2: what you do, if you're not opening windows, no, there's

1549
01:11:36,213 --> 01:11:38,612
Speaker 2: no matter, You're going to get some condensation, right.

1550
01:11:38,532 --> 01:11:40,173
Speaker 3: And that's the difference with the anlords, right.

1551
01:11:40,213 --> 01:11:41,732
Speaker 2: And it's not the end of the bloody world if

1552
01:11:41,772 --> 01:11:43,612
Speaker 2: you get a bit of condensation on your window, is it?

1553
01:11:44,853 --> 01:11:46,532
Speaker 2: You have to still if you're living in a house,

1554
01:11:46,572 --> 01:11:49,852
Speaker 2: still make steps to live in a house and do

1555
01:11:50,013 --> 01:11:51,372
Speaker 2: what it takes to live in a house.

1556
01:11:51,452 --> 01:11:51,652
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1557
01:11:51,893 --> 01:11:51,973
Speaker 7: Right.

1558
01:11:52,053 --> 01:11:55,892
Speaker 2: You can't just expect there's to be a bubble of

1559
01:11:56,093 --> 01:11:58,812
Speaker 2: pure comfort at all times without doing the basics that

1560
01:11:58,853 --> 01:12:00,333
Speaker 2: everyone has to do exactly.

1561
01:12:00,372 --> 01:12:02,532
Speaker 3: And as a caller mentioned, you know, eighty to ninety

1562
01:12:02,532 --> 01:12:05,333
Speaker 3: percent of owner occupied homes wouldn't meet their healthy home standard.

1563
01:12:05,333 --> 01:12:07,412
Speaker 3: But that's exactly what they do because it's their home

1564
01:12:07,452 --> 01:12:08,812
Speaker 3: and they want to look after it so that they

1565
01:12:08,853 --> 01:12:11,293
Speaker 3: make sure it's well ventilated, They make sure that the

1566
01:12:11,293 --> 01:12:13,492
Speaker 3: windows are open. All that stuff is I would have

1567
01:12:13,492 --> 01:12:17,213
Speaker 3: thought quite normal behavior, but I think sometimes are not

1568
01:12:17,253 --> 01:12:20,812
Speaker 3: necessarily in my case, but sometimes there are tenants who

1569
01:12:21,412 --> 01:12:24,452
Speaker 3: don't do any of those things, and they think it's

1570
01:12:24,492 --> 01:12:27,053
Speaker 3: the landlord's problem. And that's where it falls apart, right,

1571
01:12:27,173 --> 01:12:29,852
Speaker 3: Is that that that personal responsibility to look after your

1572
01:12:29,893 --> 01:12:32,172
Speaker 3: rental is just non existent sometimes?

1573
01:12:32,333 --> 01:12:34,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lardi Da, why don't you polish your monocle and

1574
01:12:34,933 --> 01:12:37,692
Speaker 2: drive your Rolls Royce around the monopoly board and twitterle

1575
01:12:37,772 --> 01:12:39,372
Speaker 2: your mustache, you slum lord.

1576
01:12:39,492 --> 01:12:41,053
Speaker 3: I do need new tires on that Rolls Royce.

1577
01:12:41,333 --> 01:12:44,172
Speaker 2: This Texas is healthy home standard. Is the minimum standard

1578
01:12:44,452 --> 01:12:47,852
Speaker 2: your muppets? Yeah, I know that's the minimum standard right now.

1579
01:12:47,893 --> 01:12:49,932
Speaker 2: But we're just that's what we're debating. Is it too?

1580
01:12:50,412 --> 01:12:55,532
Speaker 2: Is it too? Two? What's the word two?

1581
01:12:55,812 --> 01:12:56,012
Speaker 11: Ron?

1582
01:12:56,612 --> 01:12:57,253
Speaker 2: Egregious?

1583
01:12:57,532 --> 01:12:58,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, egregious?

1584
01:12:58,372 --> 01:13:00,732
Speaker 2: Good, Yeah, I think there's another word. I'm looking forward.

1585
01:13:00,732 --> 01:13:01,452
Speaker 2: I'm fairing to get there.

1586
01:13:01,572 --> 01:13:02,852
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

1587
01:13:03,013 --> 01:13:07,052
Speaker 2: It's so tilted towards the tenant, that is what I'm saying.

1588
01:13:06,973 --> 01:13:09,612
Speaker 3: Na, eight hundred eighty ten. Plenty of techs coming through

1589
01:13:09,652 --> 01:13:10,932
Speaker 3: as well. We'll get to some of those. It is

1590
01:13:11,173 --> 01:13:12,012
Speaker 3: ten to three.

1591
01:13:13,053 --> 01:13:15,492
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1592
01:13:15,532 --> 01:13:19,012
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news

1593
01:13:19,093 --> 01:13:19,852
Speaker 1: talks'd be.

1594
01:13:21,253 --> 01:13:24,732
Speaker 3: It is seven to three, just super quick. Matt has

1595
01:13:24,812 --> 01:13:27,372
Speaker 3: received an apology after something he said on the show

1596
01:13:27,412 --> 01:13:29,173
Speaker 3: a little bit earlier. We're going to tell you what

1597
01:13:29,213 --> 01:13:32,053
Speaker 3: that apology is after three o'clock, so stay tuned for that.

1598
01:13:32,293 --> 01:13:36,213
Speaker 2: And thank you, Jake. Stringent was the word I was

1599
01:13:36,213 --> 01:13:38,452
Speaker 2: looking for. I was search aground for the word. I

1600
01:13:38,492 --> 01:13:40,612
Speaker 2: was just asking the question, are the healthy home standards

1601
01:13:40,612 --> 01:13:41,373
Speaker 2: too stringent?

1602
01:13:41,492 --> 01:13:41,732
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1603
01:13:41,732 --> 01:13:44,213
Speaker 2: Thank you, that was the word. Sometimes just don't have

1604
01:13:44,213 --> 01:13:45,092
Speaker 2: the words when I need.

1605
01:13:44,973 --> 01:13:48,492
Speaker 3: The text machine, Mike, you used to be a rental

1606
01:13:48,492 --> 01:13:50,612
Speaker 3: property manager, Greig.

1607
01:13:50,532 --> 01:13:53,173
Speaker 22: Yeah, fifteen years ago. So Andrew asked me to be quick,

1608
01:13:53,213 --> 01:13:57,012
Speaker 22: so I'll be quick. So yeah, Basically, a good tenant

1609
01:13:57,093 --> 01:14:00,692
Speaker 22: is like got absolute gold. The rent comes in regularly,

1610
01:14:00,812 --> 01:14:04,293
Speaker 22: no problems, no damage, everything runs smoothly, that's no issue,

1611
01:14:04,333 --> 01:14:07,173
Speaker 22: and very little work for the landlord or the property manager.

1612
01:14:07,213 --> 01:14:11,452
Speaker 22: So are things we used to do to make sure

1613
01:14:11,492 --> 01:14:15,532
Speaker 22: this happened. And that was at the application side of things,

1614
01:14:15,933 --> 01:14:19,132
Speaker 22: when they first applied. And so first thing we'd pay

1615
01:14:19,253 --> 01:14:21,892
Speaker 22: I think it was twenty five dollars for a back then,

1616
01:14:21,933 --> 01:14:25,213
Speaker 22: it was a Veta advantage credit check. They provide their

1617
01:14:25,293 --> 01:14:27,692
Speaker 22: driver's license and we've got a credit check. And so

1618
01:14:27,732 --> 01:14:30,652
Speaker 22: if you had ten applications and seven of them full

1619
01:14:30,652 --> 01:14:34,532
Speaker 22: of defaults and had huge bills that they hadn't paid.

1620
01:14:34,572 --> 01:14:37,612
Speaker 22: No applications straight in the bin. If they had a

1621
01:14:37,612 --> 01:14:40,452
Speaker 22: clear credit history, right would proceed and then we'd do

1622
01:14:40,492 --> 01:14:42,892
Speaker 22: a landlord check, so we'd get them to full out

1623
01:14:42,933 --> 01:14:46,372
Speaker 22: the form ring the land previous landlord. Yep, good as gold.

1624
01:14:47,013 --> 01:14:49,772
Speaker 22: Also an employer check, so we'd make sure they had

1625
01:14:49,772 --> 01:14:52,812
Speaker 22: a job so they actually had an income to pay rent.

1626
01:14:53,053 --> 01:14:56,292
Speaker 22: You're okay, take that off. And then a tendency tribunal

1627
01:14:56,372 --> 01:14:58,892
Speaker 22: check online which costs nothing and you can see if

1628
01:14:58,893 --> 01:15:03,133
Speaker 22: there are any historic tendency tribunal decisions against them or

1629
01:15:03,133 --> 01:15:06,333
Speaker 22: anything like that. So once you had that all sorted in,

1630
01:15:06,412 --> 01:15:11,412
Speaker 22: they roll and usually no problems. So that's how it

1631
01:15:11,492 --> 01:15:13,892
Speaker 22: used to work for us. And like I said, when

1632
01:15:13,893 --> 01:15:18,692
Speaker 22: they've got gold tenants, it is gold. But yeah, I'm

1633
01:15:18,732 --> 01:15:23,092
Speaker 22: going yeah, I think the healthy homes thing's really good. Obviously,

1634
01:15:23,692 --> 01:15:25,772
Speaker 22: if you want good sentence and you want to keep them,

1635
01:15:26,093 --> 01:15:28,052
Speaker 22: you have to make sure they're comfortable at all times.

1636
01:15:28,372 --> 01:15:31,012
Speaker 22: I mean, you know, if they want if they're asking

1637
01:15:31,053 --> 01:15:33,972
Speaker 22: you for thermal curtains in the bedroom, yeah, I mean

1638
01:15:33,973 --> 01:15:36,452
Speaker 22: that's up to the landlord. If you want to spend

1639
01:15:36,492 --> 01:15:39,452
Speaker 22: extra money to keep them long term, that's fine. But

1640
01:15:39,532 --> 01:15:41,213
Speaker 22: the other thing I want from a tenant's point of view,

1641
01:15:41,253 --> 01:15:43,893
Speaker 22: I wanted to mention is that sometimes a landlord or

1642
01:15:43,893 --> 01:15:47,772
Speaker 22: a property manager in the application form for a rental property,

1643
01:15:48,213 --> 01:15:50,532
Speaker 22: there's a bottom at the end of the of the

1644
01:15:50,572 --> 01:15:54,333
Speaker 22: agreement form is extra conditions. And if you're a tenant,

1645
01:15:54,333 --> 01:15:56,213
Speaker 22: one thing to look out for if the landlord or

1646
01:15:56,213 --> 01:15:59,492
Speaker 22: property manager says, please clean the carpets and get them

1647
01:15:59,492 --> 01:16:02,652
Speaker 22: shampooed at the end of the tendency, well, an actual fact,

1648
01:16:02,893 --> 01:16:06,012
Speaker 22: you're not allowed to do that because everything's contained within

1649
01:16:06,013 --> 01:16:09,013
Speaker 22: the Residential Tenancies Act. So you can put all the

1650
01:16:09,013 --> 01:16:11,213
Speaker 22: clause you like, so put thinks from INGOs in the

1651
01:16:11,213 --> 01:16:15,972
Speaker 22: front lawn at if it's not in the Residential Tenancys Act,

1652
01:16:16,293 --> 01:16:21,293
Speaker 22: a landlord can't even though the tenants signs that contract,

1653
01:16:20,173 --> 01:16:24,333
Speaker 22: the landlord can't endorse those extra conditions.

1654
01:16:24,333 --> 01:16:27,692
Speaker 3: So yeah, Mike nicely said, mate, we're out of time,

1655
01:16:27,772 --> 01:16:30,452
Speaker 3: my friend, but that is a good place to leave it.

1656
01:16:30,572 --> 01:16:33,532
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Actually, I will say, we've just

1657
01:16:33,572 --> 01:16:37,732
Speaker 3: got an email Matt from Cape Town on this particular subject.

1658
01:16:37,812 --> 01:16:40,333
Speaker 3: I'll read that out after the news, which is coming

1659
01:16:40,492 --> 01:16:41,772
Speaker 3: up very soon.

1660
01:16:42,572 --> 01:16:46,573
Speaker 2: Tyler, you're a typical example of right right wing victimhood.

1661
01:16:46,732 --> 01:16:48,772
Speaker 2: How much rent do you charge and also how much

1662
01:16:48,812 --> 01:16:51,133
Speaker 2: income text do you claim back? Rentals are a business

1663
01:16:51,173 --> 01:16:53,532
Speaker 2: and need to meet the laws full stop. Stop being

1664
01:16:53,572 --> 01:16:55,372
Speaker 2: such an entitled little baby.

1665
01:16:55,412 --> 01:16:57,173
Speaker 3: If I want to be entitled, I'll be entitled.

1666
01:16:57,253 --> 01:17:02,452
Speaker 1: News is next, You're on you Home are instal and

1667
01:17:02,853 --> 01:17:07,812
Speaker 1: Entertaining Talk. It's Matty and Taylor Adams afternoons on news

1668
01:17:07,853 --> 01:17:08,333
Speaker 1: Talk set.

1669
01:17:10,133 --> 01:17:12,092
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, g You welcome back into the program

1670
01:17:12,133 --> 01:17:14,173
Speaker 3: at is six past three and it was a great

1671
01:17:14,293 --> 01:17:18,452
Speaker 3: discussion over the last two hours about landlords versus tenants.

1672
01:17:18,452 --> 01:17:20,612
Speaker 3: Where does the balance of power lie? Now I mentioned

1673
01:17:20,692 --> 01:17:22,892
Speaker 3: We've just got an email from Cape Town and I'll

1674
01:17:22,933 --> 01:17:25,692
Speaker 3: read it out. It's a short one. Get agents. Hello

1675
01:17:25,732 --> 01:17:28,932
Speaker 3: from Cape Town. I saved a fortune living in an

1676
01:17:28,933 --> 01:17:31,612
Speaker 3: ext funeral funeral home for two years. I slept like

1677
01:17:31,652 --> 01:17:32,932
Speaker 3: a baby. There you go.

1678
01:17:33,093 --> 01:17:35,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. The two tears you want.

1679
01:17:35,293 --> 01:17:37,213
Speaker 2: You want to have this healthy home standard, but you

1680
01:17:37,213 --> 01:17:40,093
Speaker 2: also want just the the young man trying to make

1681
01:17:40,133 --> 01:17:41,692
Speaker 2: it in the world, that who wants to spend all

1682
01:17:41,732 --> 01:17:44,053
Speaker 2: his money on beers and just slum it while he

1683
01:17:44,133 --> 01:17:47,412
Speaker 2: spends his money on drinking and dreams. Yeah, it's that now,

1684
01:17:47,532 --> 01:17:49,772
Speaker 2: and he doesn't care whether it's drafty or just wrap

1685
01:17:49,853 --> 01:17:51,613
Speaker 2: himself up in an old rug.

1686
01:17:51,652 --> 01:17:54,772
Speaker 3: Sleep two rentals. It's going to happen now. We also

1687
01:17:55,013 --> 01:17:58,652
Speaker 3: mentioned there was something that you said today and last

1688
01:17:58,692 --> 01:18:01,253
Speaker 3: hour you did receive an apology for what you said.

1689
01:18:01,572 --> 01:18:03,333
Speaker 2: Oh look, I tell you I threw a bit of

1690
01:18:03,333 --> 01:18:05,572
Speaker 2: a tante in the in the office because I was

1691
01:18:05,572 --> 01:18:08,173
Speaker 2: walking through my good friends at Herod's Sport and that

1692
01:18:08,372 --> 01:18:11,293
Speaker 2: all been invited to the IF One movie premiere last night,

1693
01:18:11,333 --> 01:18:12,892
Speaker 2: and they all cock of the hoop and they were

1694
01:18:13,093 --> 01:18:15,293
Speaker 2: talking up the movie and saying how good it was,

1695
01:18:15,652 --> 01:18:17,413
Speaker 2: and I was saying, why.

1696
01:18:17,492 --> 01:18:18,932
Speaker 3: What about Little Old Maddie.

1697
01:18:19,013 --> 01:18:21,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little Old Maddie, big if One fan, big

1698
01:18:21,293 --> 01:18:24,333
Speaker 2: movie fan, always talking about movies on Little Old Maddie

1699
01:18:24,333 --> 01:18:26,772
Speaker 2: and Little Old Tyler's bloody radio show on z You'd be.

1700
01:18:26,812 --> 01:18:29,173
Speaker 2: Where was my invite? Yeah? And then then I got

1701
01:18:29,173 --> 01:18:31,133
Speaker 2: an email saying sorry, we didn't invite you, and they

1702
01:18:31,173 --> 01:18:33,892
Speaker 2: sent me free tickets. So the world is a good place,

1703
01:18:33,933 --> 01:18:34,213
Speaker 2: isn't it.

1704
01:18:34,213 --> 01:18:35,452
Speaker 3: All you're going to do is throw a tan t

1705
01:18:35,572 --> 01:18:36,772
Speaker 3: and yeah, things will happen.

1706
01:18:36,572 --> 01:18:39,892
Speaker 2: If you just throw a little baby strip publicly and

1707
01:18:39,973 --> 01:18:41,572
Speaker 2: you get whatever you want. That's the lesson.

1708
01:18:41,652 --> 01:18:43,053
Speaker 3: That is the lesson, Ken say no.

1709
01:18:43,692 --> 01:18:47,013
Speaker 2: So I'm hugely excited. I'm very excited about this if

1710
01:18:47,013 --> 01:18:50,452
Speaker 2: one movie. But they yeah, the reviews are good. Yeah,

1711
01:18:50,452 --> 01:18:52,532
Speaker 2: review is really good. When I first saw it, I

1712
01:18:52,532 --> 01:18:55,612
Speaker 2: was like, how can this be good? I was excited

1713
01:18:55,652 --> 01:18:58,253
Speaker 2: about it, but you know, and you'll be beautifully shot as well.

1714
01:18:58,293 --> 01:18:59,412
Speaker 2: But I was saying, how they going to make it

1715
01:18:59,412 --> 01:19:01,653
Speaker 2: work as a story? But differences bloody.

1716
01:19:01,293 --> 01:19:04,852
Speaker 3: Great, great reviews. Yeah, fantastic. So look forward to that, mate,

1717
01:19:04,893 --> 01:19:06,692
Speaker 3: and the one that they've invited you to that looks

1718
01:19:06,732 --> 01:19:07,972
Speaker 3: like a fantastic movie as well.

1719
01:19:08,333 --> 01:19:09,852
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, now I've got to invite to the

1720
01:19:09,973 --> 01:19:13,013
Speaker 2: bloody premiere of Jurassic World rebirths in there you go,

1721
01:19:13,333 --> 01:19:15,972
Speaker 2: so good things come to the little babies that throw

1722
01:19:16,053 --> 01:19:18,932
Speaker 2: strops on the on the radio and in the office.

1723
01:19:19,053 --> 01:19:21,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. All is what right in the world? Right,

1724
01:19:21,933 --> 01:19:23,293
Speaker 3: let's have a chat about this. This is going to be

1725
01:19:23,333 --> 01:19:26,092
Speaker 3: a great discussion. What is the etiquette around calling someone

1726
01:19:26,492 --> 01:19:29,133
Speaker 3: out of the blue? Does your stomach drop when the

1727
01:19:29,133 --> 01:19:32,412
Speaker 3: phone rings unexpectedly? So as we know of course, modern

1728
01:19:32,412 --> 01:19:36,933
Speaker 3: communication has changed drastically even since our parents' time, and

1729
01:19:36,973 --> 01:19:39,253
Speaker 3: while it might be normal for our parents to have

1730
01:19:39,372 --> 01:19:41,412
Speaker 3: just picked up the phone to call someone out of

1731
01:19:41,412 --> 01:19:44,973
Speaker 3: the blue, these days, for some people they say it

1732
01:19:44,973 --> 01:19:48,092
Speaker 3: can feel stressful or strange. They've got a phobia about

1733
01:19:48,093 --> 01:19:48,652
Speaker 3: phone calls.

1734
01:19:49,333 --> 01:19:52,093
Speaker 2: I think that's true. I think a lot of millennials

1735
01:19:52,093 --> 01:19:55,972
Speaker 2: in younger do they ask why are you calling? Because

1736
01:19:56,412 --> 01:19:58,572
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you'd argue they could just not answer,

1737
01:19:59,692 --> 01:20:02,812
Speaker 2: but that they're just not used to a call. And

1738
01:20:02,933 --> 01:20:05,013
Speaker 2: so is it is it polite to call? Is it

1739
01:20:05,053 --> 01:20:07,412
Speaker 2: okay just to ring someone? Or is it or is rude?

1740
01:20:07,492 --> 01:20:09,293
Speaker 2: Is that rude now in current etiquette?

1741
01:20:09,973 --> 01:20:11,652
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty, we want you

1742
01:20:11,692 --> 01:20:13,892
Speaker 3: to call. Please don't text touff for this one. But

1743
01:20:14,692 --> 01:20:17,293
Speaker 3: is it a lost art the old having a chat

1744
01:20:17,333 --> 01:20:17,772
Speaker 3: on the phone?

1745
01:20:17,772 --> 01:20:18,452
Speaker 2: It seems to be.

1746
01:20:18,492 --> 01:20:19,532
Speaker 3: I mean, would you ever.

1747
01:20:19,372 --> 01:20:21,812
Speaker 2: Call just someone one of your friends just for a chat.

1748
01:20:22,412 --> 01:20:23,772
Speaker 2: So you might text and say do you want to

1749
01:20:23,772 --> 01:20:25,412
Speaker 2: meet up for a beer? But would you just call

1750
01:20:25,612 --> 01:20:26,212
Speaker 2: a mate?

1751
01:20:26,452 --> 01:20:26,652
Speaker 23: Hey?

1752
01:20:26,973 --> 01:20:28,372
Speaker 2: Just calling you have a chat?

1753
01:20:28,492 --> 01:20:28,692
Speaker 4: See?

1754
01:20:28,692 --> 01:20:31,652
Speaker 2: I will yeah, just down of the blue? Asked gen

1755
01:20:31,853 --> 01:20:34,372
Speaker 2: X as well. I'll often be driving home and I'll

1756
01:20:34,452 --> 01:20:36,093
Speaker 2: ring up my mate's spooge and just want to chat

1757
01:20:36,093 --> 01:20:37,852
Speaker 2: about the world about Hey, how are you mate, what's

1758
01:20:37,893 --> 01:20:39,012
Speaker 2: going on? How was work today?

1759
01:20:39,013 --> 01:20:40,932
Speaker 3: You know, it does make it easier in the Auckland traffic,

1760
01:20:40,933 --> 01:20:42,452
Speaker 3: I've got to say, because I get real bored just

1761
01:20:42,452 --> 01:20:44,053
Speaker 3: sitting there and think who can I call and just

1762
01:20:44,093 --> 01:20:44,492
Speaker 3: have ever?

1763
01:20:44,612 --> 01:20:44,932
Speaker 2: Yantu?

1764
01:20:45,093 --> 01:20:45,973
Speaker 3: So I haven't spoken to?

1765
01:20:46,572 --> 01:20:48,972
Speaker 2: Is that you using your friends to keep you entertaining

1766
01:20:48,973 --> 01:20:49,412
Speaker 2: your driving?

1767
01:20:49,452 --> 01:20:49,612
Speaker 22: Hot?

1768
01:20:49,692 --> 01:20:51,732
Speaker 2: That's exactly what You just ring the missus on the

1769
01:20:51,772 --> 01:20:52,732
Speaker 2: way home just for a chat.

1770
01:20:53,333 --> 01:20:55,492
Speaker 3: Yeah quite often actually, yeah, yeah, I just want to

1771
01:20:55,492 --> 01:20:58,173
Speaker 3: see what's for tea, how's a day? And how's the

1772
01:20:58,213 --> 01:21:00,892
Speaker 3: dog going? But really good to hear from you on this.

1773
01:21:01,253 --> 01:21:03,372
Speaker 3: Is it just a generational thing? And what does it

1774
01:21:03,452 --> 01:21:05,372
Speaker 3: say about And I know gen z get a lot

1775
01:21:05,372 --> 01:21:07,372
Speaker 3: of stick and millennials actually you give me a lot

1776
01:21:07,372 --> 01:21:08,892
Speaker 3: of stick for being a millennial. But what does it

1777
01:21:08,933 --> 01:21:11,933
Speaker 3: say about that generation that they're frightened to pick up

1778
01:21:11,973 --> 01:21:14,572
Speaker 3: the phone? What is to be scared about of talking

1779
01:21:14,612 --> 01:21:17,333
Speaker 3: to a loved one? Is it sad that we're even

1780
01:21:17,372 --> 01:21:21,732
Speaker 3: having this conversation? Well, arguably, but does it just make

1781
01:21:21,812 --> 01:21:25,013
Speaker 3: you sad that that whole part of it because things disappear,

1782
01:21:25,093 --> 01:21:28,133
Speaker 3: right and the ability. You know, people say that letter

1783
01:21:28,173 --> 01:21:30,812
Speaker 3: writing has disappeared. Everyone used to be an amazing letter writer.

1784
01:21:30,893 --> 01:21:33,892
Speaker 3: And you hear from just every single you read. You

1785
01:21:33,933 --> 01:21:37,572
Speaker 3: can find them in museums. I've seen them, these incredible.

1786
01:21:37,093 --> 01:21:39,732
Speaker 2: Letters from people that were at World War One, and

1787
01:21:39,772 --> 01:21:43,492
Speaker 2: it seemed everyone could just write the most eloquent letter

1788
01:21:43,532 --> 01:21:47,213
Speaker 2: home because you're constantly writing letters to people, and now

1789
01:21:47,253 --> 01:21:49,652
Speaker 2: their art is completely gone, right, and now people just

1790
01:21:49,692 --> 01:21:54,652
Speaker 2: write the most low energy, low effort texts to each other.

1791
01:21:54,772 --> 01:21:58,773
Speaker 2: Yea complete bastardization of the language. No flowery, beautiful descriptions

1792
01:21:58,973 --> 01:22:02,213
Speaker 2: of where they are right. Miss those days, and now

1793
01:22:02,253 --> 01:22:05,452
Speaker 2: the ability to have a great conversation on the phone

1794
01:22:05,572 --> 01:22:07,932
Speaker 2: is being lost because people think it's rude to bring

1795
01:22:07,973 --> 01:22:08,333
Speaker 2: someone up.

1796
01:22:08,612 --> 01:22:11,013
Speaker 3: Caller ide was a massive mistake. I actually think I

1797
01:22:11,013 --> 01:22:12,652
Speaker 3: think this is more of a New Zealand problem that

1798
01:22:12,692 --> 01:22:15,412
Speaker 3: it is an international problem, because I think Kiwi's buy

1799
01:22:15,492 --> 01:22:18,812
Speaker 3: and large they want to try and avoid conflict. Or

1800
01:22:19,372 --> 01:22:22,133
Speaker 3: if there's a situation where are sitting at home and

1801
01:22:22,293 --> 01:22:24,372
Speaker 3: you're relaxed and you're enjoying yourself, then you get a

1802
01:22:24,372 --> 01:22:25,812
Speaker 3: call from a mate out of the blue and there's

1803
01:22:25,812 --> 01:22:27,532
Speaker 3: a potential that they're going to invite you down to

1804
01:22:27,572 --> 01:22:30,372
Speaker 3: the pub. Hopefully, for most of us, we think fantastic,

1805
01:22:30,492 --> 01:22:32,532
Speaker 3: haven't seen you? For ages love to head down, have

1806
01:22:32,532 --> 01:22:34,293
Speaker 3: a beer and have a catch up, but I reckon.

1807
01:22:34,333 --> 01:22:35,692
Speaker 3: For a lot of people who don't want to do that,

1808
01:22:36,532 --> 01:22:39,133
Speaker 3: the kiwi thing is to just avoid the phone call,

1809
01:22:39,452 --> 01:22:42,412
Speaker 3: just don't answer, not to even answer and say, hey,

1810
01:22:42,412 --> 01:22:45,173
Speaker 3: look I'm actually really comfortable. I've got one norsewear socks on,

1811
01:22:45,412 --> 01:22:47,772
Speaker 3: I'm watching Clarkson's farm. I'm not going to come down key.

1812
01:22:47,812 --> 01:22:49,253
Speaker 3: We just don't do that. They just avoid it.

1813
01:22:49,492 --> 01:22:51,333
Speaker 2: This text is trying to prove me wrong that we've

1814
01:22:51,333 --> 01:22:53,612
Speaker 2: lost the art of flowery speech because of text messages.

1815
01:22:54,173 --> 01:22:57,293
Speaker 2: How are thou, Matt, my beautiful lovely man? Are you

1816
01:22:57,333 --> 01:22:59,133
Speaker 2: having a bountiful and beautiful day?

1817
01:23:00,053 --> 01:23:01,612
Speaker 3: So it makes you feel good, though, doesn't it?

1818
01:23:01,772 --> 01:23:03,812
Speaker 2: See? So maybe the art hasn't been lost. And this

1819
01:23:03,853 --> 01:23:05,692
Speaker 2: stick says, how can you be an F one fan

1820
01:23:05,732 --> 01:23:08,333
Speaker 2: and be excited about a fake IF one movie when

1821
01:23:08,452 --> 01:23:11,333
Speaker 2: there is actual real IF one on just about every weekend,

1822
01:23:11,372 --> 01:23:13,652
Speaker 2: whether there wasn't, wasn't last weekend was there, but there

1823
01:23:13,692 --> 01:23:16,812
Speaker 2: was this weekend? Very excited, very excited about the Austrian Grundpeki.

1824
01:23:17,452 --> 01:23:19,253
Speaker 2: It's not even based on the career of a real

1825
01:23:19,333 --> 01:23:21,973
Speaker 2: if One driver, not interested at all, not going to

1826
01:23:22,013 --> 01:23:24,412
Speaker 2: bother with at all. Well, I mean, it's a narrative

1827
01:23:24,452 --> 01:23:27,013
Speaker 2: film that will be shot incredibly well and you know

1828
01:23:27,333 --> 01:23:30,053
Speaker 2: a bunch of the stars of if One are in

1829
01:23:30,093 --> 01:23:31,773
Speaker 2: the movie. Yeah, that's a very.

1830
01:23:31,692 --> 01:23:35,133
Speaker 3: Gavin, Come on, Gavin eighty eight percent on rodin Tomatoes, Gavin,

1831
01:23:35,173 --> 01:23:35,852
Speaker 3: it's a good movie.

1832
01:23:35,933 --> 01:23:38,612
Speaker 2: That's a very wet blanket of a text there, Gavin.

1833
01:23:38,812 --> 01:23:40,772
Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1834
01:23:40,933 --> 01:23:42,852
Speaker 3: number to call love to hear from you. Do you

1835
01:23:42,933 --> 01:23:45,213
Speaker 3: avoid actually speaking on the phone or is it a

1836
01:23:45,253 --> 01:23:47,973
Speaker 3: generational thing? Really keen to get your views on this.

1837
01:23:48,053 --> 01:23:51,973
Speaker 3: It is thirteen past three, very good afternoon to you.

1838
01:23:52,013 --> 01:23:54,892
Speaker 3: We're talking about the etiquette around calling someone out of

1839
01:23:54,973 --> 01:23:58,492
Speaker 3: the blue. It appears a grown number of people hate

1840
01:23:58,532 --> 01:24:01,372
Speaker 3: being called out of the blue. They see it as

1841
01:24:01,372 --> 01:24:05,293
Speaker 3: a kin to just popping around unannounced. So doctor Naomi Smith,

1842
01:24:05,372 --> 01:24:08,732
Speaker 3: she's a digital sociologist. That's a job that didn't exists

1843
01:24:08,772 --> 01:24:11,732
Speaker 3: not that long ago, and she said it all feels

1844
01:24:11,853 --> 01:24:14,253
Speaker 3: very pressing the demand of a phone call. You have

1845
01:24:14,333 --> 01:24:16,532
Speaker 3: to deal with it right then and there and give

1846
01:24:16,572 --> 01:24:18,692
Speaker 3: it your attention in the moment, in the same way

1847
01:24:18,732 --> 01:24:21,052
Speaker 3: you would if someone popped over un and out. She says,

1848
01:24:21,093 --> 01:24:25,013
Speaker 3: people increasingly like to have communic communication on their own

1849
01:24:25,093 --> 01:24:27,772
Speaker 3: terms and in their own time, with a bit of

1850
01:24:27,973 --> 01:24:31,532
Speaker 3: heads up. Right, Okay, I don't know if I can

1851
01:24:31,692 --> 01:24:35,652
Speaker 3: abide by that angle that akin to somebody popping around.

1852
01:24:35,692 --> 01:24:37,412
Speaker 3: I mean, who doesn't like a pop around as well?

1853
01:24:37,452 --> 01:24:40,532
Speaker 3: But the very fact that we've lost what is essentially

1854
01:24:40,572 --> 01:24:42,612
Speaker 3: a life skill to be able to talk to somebody

1855
01:24:42,692 --> 01:24:44,692
Speaker 3: on the phone if you're not expecting a phone call.

1856
01:24:46,053 --> 01:24:49,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, well does it matter though? I guess the question

1857
01:24:49,572 --> 01:24:50,892
Speaker 2: is do you take the phone call? Because you can

1858
01:24:50,893 --> 01:24:53,172
Speaker 2: always not take the phone call. But if you're scared

1859
01:24:53,173 --> 01:24:54,933
Speaker 2: to have a phone call with someone, I think a

1860
01:24:54,973 --> 01:24:57,652
Speaker 2: lot of people are scared to have the phone call around,

1861
01:24:58,293 --> 01:25:00,972
Speaker 2: you know, asking someone out on a date, or even

1862
01:25:01,173 --> 01:25:06,492
Speaker 2: ringing breaking up with someone yep, or telling your boss

1863
01:25:06,532 --> 01:25:09,253
Speaker 2: that you're sick. Yes, And a lot of that stuff

1864
01:25:09,333 --> 01:25:12,213
Speaker 2: is because maybe you don't want the pushback in real time,

1865
01:25:12,853 --> 01:25:17,772
Speaker 2: because a conversation is a verbal conversation is a real

1866
01:25:17,812 --> 01:25:18,732
Speaker 2: time back and forth.

1867
01:25:18,812 --> 01:25:18,932
Speaker 11: Right.

1868
01:25:19,732 --> 01:25:23,972
Speaker 2: Whereas some people prefer to if they're soft and weak

1869
01:25:24,053 --> 01:25:26,572
Speaker 2: and don't have the courage of their convictions, or are

1870
01:25:26,652 --> 01:25:31,652
Speaker 2: maybe lying. They don't. They don't want to be pushed back.

1871
01:25:31,652 --> 01:25:33,412
Speaker 2: They want to be able to a period of time

1872
01:25:33,452 --> 01:25:36,053
Speaker 2: to think of their response. Yeah so, and I think

1873
01:25:36,053 --> 01:25:39,253
Speaker 2: that just grows over time. People get scared of actually

1874
01:25:39,253 --> 01:25:40,492
Speaker 2: having a conversation with people.

1875
01:25:40,572 --> 01:25:43,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the sick one. If you're a boss,

1876
01:25:43,372 --> 01:25:45,412
Speaker 3: would you accept a text from one of your employees

1877
01:25:45,412 --> 01:25:47,452
Speaker 3: to say, sorry, Boss, I'm sick today, I can't come in.

1878
01:25:47,732 --> 01:25:49,852
Speaker 3: I wouldn't If I was a boss, I would absolutely

1879
01:25:49,893 --> 01:25:52,572
Speaker 3: ring them back and say, how sick are you? What

1880
01:25:52,692 --> 01:25:54,532
Speaker 3: have you got? I need to have a chat with you.

1881
01:25:54,853 --> 01:25:56,892
Speaker 3: How long do you think you'll be out? I mean

1882
01:25:57,053 --> 01:25:58,812
Speaker 3: the amount of people that would accept a text, I

1883
01:25:58,812 --> 01:26:00,532
Speaker 3: imagine would be quite high. And you've got to push

1884
01:26:00,532 --> 01:26:01,492
Speaker 3: back at that sort of stuff.

1885
01:26:01,732 --> 01:26:03,812
Speaker 2: Guys myself and one of my trades a gen X

1886
01:26:03,893 --> 01:26:07,333
Speaker 2: and text everything during workday. He prefers I don't call.

1887
01:26:07,372 --> 01:26:09,932
Speaker 2: That is generally my habit with people. I really cold call,

1888
01:26:10,013 --> 01:26:13,173
Speaker 2: and that's urgent often a text first, acting younger than

1889
01:26:13,173 --> 01:26:16,572
Speaker 2: I am. That's from from Mike. Yeah, yeah, because my

1890
01:26:16,652 --> 01:26:19,732
Speaker 2: dad's like this so what a great New Zealander he is.

1891
01:26:20,412 --> 01:26:25,293
Speaker 2: But he's not young's he's but he will never just

1892
01:26:25,372 --> 01:26:26,772
Speaker 2: ring me out of the blue. He'll text me and

1893
01:26:26,812 --> 01:26:29,612
Speaker 2: say are you and you know, obviously he's been through

1894
01:26:29,612 --> 01:26:32,013
Speaker 2: the whole landline. He's been through everything. I remember when

1895
01:26:32,013 --> 01:26:34,812
Speaker 2: he was a you know, when he first met my mum.

1896
01:26:34,853 --> 01:26:36,692
Speaker 2: They wrote letters to each other every day because one

1897
01:26:36,732 --> 01:26:39,092
Speaker 2: was from up in Auckland, one was an in Bicago. Whatever.

1898
01:26:40,772 --> 01:26:43,572
Speaker 2: But he still doesn't think that you should just ring up.

1899
01:26:44,053 --> 01:26:47,173
Speaker 2: He's like text, he goes available for a call and

1900
01:26:47,213 --> 01:26:50,012
Speaker 2: I say, yes, yeah, you know he will and evenness

1901
01:26:50,492 --> 01:26:52,532
Speaker 2: just just ring But I wouldn't mind. I'll just ring

1902
01:26:52,652 --> 01:26:53,852
Speaker 2: him off the bat.

1903
01:26:53,973 --> 01:26:56,612
Speaker 3: That is very polite. My old man does does the

1904
01:26:56,612 --> 01:26:58,173
Speaker 3: opposite that He'll give me a ring out of the

1905
01:26:58,173 --> 01:27:00,293
Speaker 3: blue and I'll miss it and then give him a

1906
01:27:00,333 --> 01:27:02,492
Speaker 3: call a minute later and he doesn't answer. What is

1907
01:27:02,532 --> 01:27:07,213
Speaker 3: that about people that do that? Uh, Matt and Tyler?

1908
01:27:07,253 --> 01:27:09,572
Speaker 3: Do you ring before and visiting a maid or do

1909
01:27:09,652 --> 01:27:12,772
Speaker 3: you just turn up? I'm from the age prior to

1910
01:27:12,812 --> 01:27:16,053
Speaker 3: cell phones. Simply you just turn up. Everyone knew the

1911
01:27:16,093 --> 01:27:18,293
Speaker 3: weekend was sorted at seven pm at the local bar

1912
01:27:18,372 --> 01:27:22,013
Speaker 3: Friday night, big Dave. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. I

1913
01:27:22,093 --> 01:27:24,772
Speaker 3: mean as a child, I remember having to try and

1914
01:27:24,812 --> 01:27:27,452
Speaker 3: wring my mate on the old landline. If they weren't home,

1915
01:27:27,532 --> 01:27:30,652
Speaker 3: I'd just jump on my bike and just hid round anyway,

1916
01:27:30,692 --> 01:27:32,452
Speaker 3: because what else did you do? There was no way

1917
01:27:32,492 --> 01:27:34,453
Speaker 3: to get a hold of your mate apart from the landline.

1918
01:27:34,532 --> 01:27:36,532
Speaker 3: If nobody picks up, then you just ride your bike

1919
01:27:36,572 --> 01:27:37,652
Speaker 3: to the house and see who's home.

1920
01:27:37,933 --> 01:27:41,333
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow. What about the situation back in the day

1921
01:27:41,492 --> 01:27:45,492
Speaker 2: with landlines. If you liked a girl from school or

1922
01:27:45,532 --> 01:27:47,973
Speaker 2: a girl that you'd met around about when you were

1923
01:27:47,973 --> 01:27:50,213
Speaker 2: at school when you're a teenager, yep, yet to ring

1924
01:27:50,893 --> 01:27:54,372
Speaker 2: their house? And then you know my girlfriend at the

1925
01:27:54,372 --> 01:27:56,253
Speaker 2: time of the girl I wanted to date head She

1926
01:27:56,372 --> 01:28:00,692
Speaker 2: was Catholic girl, she had like six brothers. That was

1927
01:28:00,853 --> 01:28:04,293
Speaker 2: ringing that house one line. You basically got the third

1928
01:28:04,333 --> 01:28:07,333
Speaker 2: degree from people that hand you round and you finally, well,

1929
01:28:07,333 --> 01:28:10,013
Speaker 2: you'd ring up and say hello and who's this and

1930
01:28:10,013 --> 01:28:12,333
Speaker 2: it would be hello, mister Smith, can I speak to

1931
01:28:12,372 --> 01:28:15,412
Speaker 2: your daughter please? And he'd be like, what about I

1932
01:28:15,452 --> 01:28:17,052
Speaker 2: was going to ask her out to the movies?

1933
01:28:17,452 --> 01:28:22,572
Speaker 3: No, No, speak to her brother? Yes, Hi, Lisa's brother

1934
01:28:22,853 --> 01:28:25,333
Speaker 3: can I speak to Lisa. How terrifying.

1935
01:28:25,853 --> 01:28:29,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean nowadays it's like just a text even that.

1936
01:28:29,933 --> 01:28:32,172
Speaker 3: Yeah, Phil, how are you this afternoon?

1937
01:28:34,612 --> 01:28:35,133
Speaker 22: Oh goody?

1938
01:28:35,412 --> 01:28:37,652
Speaker 11: Sorry about that. You just caught me making a coffee.

1939
01:28:37,772 --> 01:28:40,333
Speaker 3: Oh enjoy your coffee mate. Now how are you?

1940
01:28:41,492 --> 01:28:42,333
Speaker 24: Yeah, I'm okay.

1941
01:28:42,452 --> 01:28:42,772
Speaker 10: Thanks?

1942
01:28:43,013 --> 01:28:43,812
Speaker 24: Yeah, how are you?

1943
01:28:43,933 --> 01:28:44,133
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1944
01:28:44,173 --> 01:28:46,532
Speaker 3: Good good? You don't mind calls out of the blue.

1945
01:28:46,293 --> 01:28:50,173
Speaker 24: Film, No, No, I was sort of coming at it

1946
01:28:50,213 --> 01:28:52,452
Speaker 24: from a wee bit of a different angle too, which

1947
01:28:52,492 --> 01:28:57,892
Speaker 24: I'll a rhetoric or which I'll expand on the bullaky James,

1948
01:28:57,933 --> 01:29:04,572
Speaker 24: they know, like expand. Yeah, No, I don't mind when

1949
01:29:05,133 --> 01:29:07,772
Speaker 24: if I make calls up or a family member just

1950
01:29:07,812 --> 01:29:10,293
Speaker 24: calls up the blue to say get a here you're

1951
01:29:10,333 --> 01:29:12,293
Speaker 24: doing just to have a check on you, or a chat,

1952
01:29:12,333 --> 01:29:14,013
Speaker 24: you know, and you have a bit of a natter.

1953
01:29:13,772 --> 01:29:16,493
Speaker 11: About stuff, you know, sport.

1954
01:29:16,293 --> 01:29:20,053
Speaker 24: Whatever, things you've been watching, movies, just the general thing

1955
01:29:20,133 --> 01:29:24,213
Speaker 24: in life, politics or economics whatever, or the same as

1956
01:29:25,173 --> 01:29:28,093
Speaker 24: the same as if someone just pops around out of

1957
01:29:28,093 --> 01:29:30,093
Speaker 24: the blue, you know, just to decide to visit you

1958
01:29:30,133 --> 01:29:32,612
Speaker 24: and drop it and say get a I can sort

1959
01:29:32,612 --> 01:29:36,012
Speaker 24: of under I mean maybe if you get get caught

1960
01:29:36,053 --> 01:29:38,173
Speaker 24: doing something a bit embarrassing and let's say, not go

1961
01:29:38,213 --> 01:29:40,253
Speaker 24: into it too far. But yeah, maybe that kind of

1962
01:29:40,372 --> 01:29:43,173
Speaker 24: aspect of it that expect gob it might be a bit,

1963
01:29:43,732 --> 01:29:46,333
Speaker 24: you know, that aspect. Maybe that's what people were sort

1964
01:29:46,372 --> 01:29:49,812
Speaker 24: of thinking of. I don't know, but in general, but

1965
01:29:49,933 --> 01:29:54,213
Speaker 24: in general, I don't mind, because the other thing what

1966
01:29:54,253 --> 01:29:56,012
Speaker 24: I was going to say too, for me was coming

1967
01:29:56,013 --> 01:29:59,012
Speaker 24: from it looking at it with a slightly different lens

1968
01:29:59,053 --> 01:30:03,372
Speaker 24: at the moment too. With my life situation is I

1969
01:30:03,532 --> 01:30:05,892
Speaker 24: sort of struggle with depression and mental health, you know,

1970
01:30:06,853 --> 01:30:10,213
Speaker 24: and so and quite often when I'm not feeling great

1971
01:30:10,213 --> 01:30:12,732
Speaker 24: about myself, you know, we're just life in genuine I'm

1972
01:30:12,732 --> 01:30:16,693
Speaker 24: thinking about things and stuff, and that I quite withdraw,

1973
01:30:16,772 --> 01:30:22,293
Speaker 24: and I go within myself and get quite withdraw, withdraw

1974
01:30:22,452 --> 01:30:25,572
Speaker 24: into myself. And and even though you know I might

1975
01:30:26,973 --> 01:30:30,293
Speaker 24: quite I might think, oh, I quite like to ring

1976
01:30:30,372 --> 01:30:32,372
Speaker 24: my sow and sow and see how they're getting on.

1977
01:30:32,452 --> 01:30:35,213
Speaker 24: I have a conversation, but because of your mood and

1978
01:30:35,253 --> 01:30:37,093
Speaker 24: you stay in mind and that sort of thing, you

1979
01:30:37,133 --> 01:30:39,972
Speaker 24: don't you just sit there, you know. So that can

1980
01:30:40,013 --> 01:30:42,532
Speaker 24: be quite nice when someone does just ring out of

1981
01:30:42,532 --> 01:30:44,572
Speaker 24: the blue and you end up having a chat and

1982
01:30:44,612 --> 01:30:47,213
Speaker 24: you feel a bit better, you know after that, So

1983
01:30:47,452 --> 01:30:49,532
Speaker 24: def to that aspect of it too, you know.

1984
01:30:49,692 --> 01:30:52,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I wonderful. You know, for guys in

1985
01:30:52,933 --> 01:30:56,772
Speaker 3: particular as well, we're not fantastic chatters at the at

1986
01:30:56,772 --> 01:30:58,652
Speaker 3: the beast of times, or some of us are actually,

1987
01:30:59,333 --> 01:31:01,652
Speaker 3: But for guys, you know, just just calling a mate

1988
01:31:01,652 --> 01:31:06,692
Speaker 3: out of the blue might be something that is, you know,

1989
01:31:06,692 --> 01:31:09,013
Speaker 3: it's more of a challenge I think for females.

1990
01:31:12,333 --> 01:31:15,852
Speaker 24: So are you saying run that by him again, Tyler

1991
01:31:15,893 --> 01:31:16,492
Speaker 24: were angry?

1992
01:31:16,532 --> 01:31:18,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a very convoluted way of

1993
01:31:18,732 --> 01:31:19,452
Speaker 3: asking the question.

1994
01:31:19,893 --> 01:31:20,772
Speaker 2: I'm confused as well.

1995
01:31:20,812 --> 01:31:24,372
Speaker 3: For everybody's confused. But for fellas, I generally think, you know,

1996
01:31:24,452 --> 01:31:29,052
Speaker 3: fellas have a reputation of of you know, not being

1997
01:31:29,133 --> 01:31:32,372
Speaker 3: as great on the communication side of things. So calling

1998
01:31:32,372 --> 01:31:34,372
Speaker 3: a mate out of the blue or something you haven't

1999
01:31:34,412 --> 01:31:36,852
Speaker 3: chatted to for a long time, my gut feeler is

2000
01:31:36,893 --> 01:31:38,972
Speaker 3: that's harder for fellers than it is for women.

2001
01:31:40,412 --> 01:31:42,572
Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, I do think, Yeah, I think that's true.

2002
01:31:42,612 --> 01:31:44,692
Speaker 24: I think there's degree in truth and that where guys

2003
01:31:44,732 --> 01:31:47,892
Speaker 24: do find it a bit harder, and for whatever reason,

2004
01:31:48,053 --> 01:31:51,132
Speaker 24: females do sort of find it a bit easier to

2005
01:31:52,612 --> 01:31:54,892
Speaker 24: call each other up, and that yeah, I think you Yeah,

2006
01:31:54,933 --> 01:31:57,652
Speaker 24: I think I think you're right there as well. There's

2007
01:31:57,732 --> 01:32:00,492
Speaker 24: definitely that aspect for males, I think as well.

2008
01:32:00,692 --> 01:32:00,932
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2009
01:32:01,013 --> 01:32:04,372
Speaker 3: So yeah, Phil, you're a good man. You're a good man.

2010
01:32:04,412 --> 01:32:05,892
Speaker 3: And if you ever want to give us a call

2011
01:32:05,933 --> 01:32:07,173
Speaker 3: out of the blue, you know where we are.

2012
01:32:08,053 --> 01:32:08,293
Speaker 4: Well.

2013
01:32:08,893 --> 01:32:11,333
Speaker 24: I was going to say too, Tyler, Sorry, Matt, I

2014
01:32:11,372 --> 01:32:12,972
Speaker 24: was a good eighty year as well.

2015
01:32:12,893 --> 01:32:14,372
Speaker 2: Mate, get a Phil.

2016
01:32:15,812 --> 01:32:18,773
Speaker 24: But I met one of your colleagues on the weekend.

2017
01:32:18,893 --> 01:32:21,573
Speaker 24: Oh he's one of your colleagues on Saturday.

2018
01:32:22,372 --> 01:32:25,293
Speaker 3: Piney, Oh, Piney. He's a great man, isn't he. He was

2019
01:32:25,333 --> 01:32:26,173
Speaker 3: down there for the rugger.

2020
01:32:27,133 --> 01:32:27,372
Speaker 25: Yeah.

2021
01:32:27,452 --> 01:32:29,173
Speaker 24: Yeah, he was down the rock pool And I ring

2022
01:32:29,213 --> 01:32:31,213
Speaker 24: in regularly to this show too, you know, because I

2023
01:32:31,253 --> 01:32:33,532
Speaker 24: love him sports and that, and I just sort of

2024
01:32:33,612 --> 01:32:36,133
Speaker 24: chicularly said tomorrow I might pop down. So he said,

2025
01:32:36,173 --> 01:32:38,772
Speaker 24: come on down, and so I didn't. Yeah, it was good,

2026
01:32:38,772 --> 01:32:40,732
Speaker 24: He's Yeah, it was good to have a chat to him,

2027
01:32:40,772 --> 01:32:44,173
Speaker 24: see him, put a name to see, be aout to

2028
01:32:44,173 --> 01:32:45,932
Speaker 24: see a face, you know, put a name to the face,

2029
01:32:45,973 --> 01:32:46,932
Speaker 24: so to sort of speak.

2030
01:32:47,213 --> 01:32:48,133
Speaker 4: Yea, and yeah.

2031
01:32:48,372 --> 01:32:49,652
Speaker 11: I felt very small though.

2032
01:32:50,093 --> 01:32:51,812
Speaker 3: Oh he's a tall man. He's a big unit.

2033
01:32:52,053 --> 01:32:55,812
Speaker 24: Yeah, I'm about five foot eight and he's about six six.

2034
01:32:55,612 --> 01:32:58,372
Speaker 2: Foot five before he must be up there. He must

2035
01:32:58,372 --> 01:33:00,572
Speaker 2: be up there in the six foot five category.

2036
01:33:00,652 --> 01:33:02,532
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's a towering man, that's for sure. But

2037
01:33:02,572 --> 01:33:04,972
Speaker 3: what a good bugger, Phil. Thank you very much. I'd

2038
01:33:04,973 --> 01:33:07,012
Speaker 3: love to have a chat to you on eight hundred

2039
01:33:07,053 --> 01:33:10,093
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty answering the phone A phone call

2040
01:33:10,093 --> 01:33:11,532
Speaker 3: out of the blue? Is it a kin to just

2041
01:33:11,572 --> 01:33:14,492
Speaker 3: popping around unannounced? If you want to send a text

2042
01:33:14,572 --> 01:33:16,732
Speaker 3: nine two ninety two, you're more than welcome to this.

2043
01:33:16,772 --> 01:33:18,892
Speaker 2: Texas says. I've been with my husband for thirty six

2044
01:33:19,013 --> 01:33:20,772
Speaker 2: years and still remember the sound of my mother in

2045
01:33:20,853 --> 01:33:23,133
Speaker 2: law's voice when I telephoned him for the first time

2046
01:33:23,173 --> 01:33:27,053
Speaker 2: and she answered super scary, Jen. But you just had

2047
01:33:27,093 --> 01:33:29,452
Speaker 2: to because otherwise you weren't going to be able to

2048
01:33:29,492 --> 01:33:29,932
Speaker 2: reach out.

2049
01:33:30,013 --> 01:33:31,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no choice. Then you don't get a

2050
01:33:31,652 --> 01:33:33,572
Speaker 3: girlfriend or boyfriend.

2051
01:33:33,692 --> 01:33:35,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, you had to like slip them a

2052
01:33:35,933 --> 01:33:39,013
Speaker 2: note or something. I want to talk talking just a

2053
01:33:39,053 --> 01:33:43,452
Speaker 2: second about this. Are you familiar with the philosopher Marshall mclullin. No,

2054
01:33:43,532 --> 01:33:45,772
Speaker 2: and the media is the message I know? I think

2055
01:33:45,812 --> 01:33:50,452
Speaker 2: this is this pertains to technology. It's a very interesting

2056
01:33:50,452 --> 01:33:51,812
Speaker 2: thing that I'll bring up in a second. Well, I

2057
01:33:51,812 --> 01:33:53,253
Speaker 2: think it's interesting, it might be really boring.

2058
01:33:53,253 --> 01:33:55,492
Speaker 3: Who knows this will be God, it is twenty six

2059
01:33:55,532 --> 01:33:57,692
Speaker 3: past three, but keen on your views. Oh eight hundred

2060
01:33:57,853 --> 01:34:08,093
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2061
01:34:03,572 --> 01:34:07,293
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

2062
01:34:07,333 --> 01:34:09,132
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk said.

2063
01:34:09,492 --> 01:34:13,452
Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. It's been called telephone bia and

2064
01:34:13,732 --> 01:34:16,652
Speaker 3: it is a fear of answering an unexpected phone call.

2065
01:34:17,133 --> 01:34:19,213
Speaker 3: If that's you, why you're so afraid to pick up

2066
01:34:19,213 --> 01:34:21,173
Speaker 3: the phone and is it a generational thing?

2067
01:34:21,213 --> 01:34:23,052
Speaker 2: And if that's you Tyler, you're in the wrong business.

2068
01:34:23,213 --> 01:34:26,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

2069
01:34:26,333 --> 01:34:27,572
Speaker 3: a number of call. We're not going to give out

2070
01:34:27,572 --> 01:34:29,812
Speaker 3: the text number because we want phone calls. Get a

2071
01:34:29,933 --> 01:34:31,412
Speaker 3: kushler Ah.

2072
01:34:31,372 --> 01:34:34,012
Speaker 12: Hi, it's nice to talk to you again, and well

2073
01:34:34,093 --> 01:34:37,892
Speaker 12: antimatter of course, but I sort of tend to just

2074
01:34:37,933 --> 01:34:40,333
Speaker 12: pick up the phone of the phone rings. The thing

2075
01:34:40,452 --> 01:34:43,092
Speaker 12: is too, is that a lot of people have changed

2076
01:34:43,093 --> 01:34:46,492
Speaker 12: their numbers now which we live on on just cell

2077
01:34:46,492 --> 01:34:49,013
Speaker 12: phone instead of land line and land nine made it

2078
01:34:49,013 --> 01:34:51,892
Speaker 12: easier for you to communicate with people, because I remember

2079
01:34:51,893 --> 01:34:54,013
Speaker 12: bringing up quite a few people at the time of

2080
01:34:54,053 --> 01:34:56,133
Speaker 12: the youth cracks to see your soul, all right, and

2081
01:34:56,173 --> 01:34:59,772
Speaker 12: they were nicely accepted and everything. And I do tend

2082
01:34:59,812 --> 01:35:02,253
Speaker 12: to bring up my good friends at least twice a week,

2083
01:35:02,293 --> 01:35:04,692
Speaker 12: but I do give them time to just have time

2084
01:35:04,732 --> 01:35:06,812
Speaker 12: for themselves and not too much with me either. You

2085
01:35:06,853 --> 01:35:09,253
Speaker 12: know that they have your own lives apart from me,

2086
01:35:09,452 --> 01:35:12,012
Speaker 12: and I like to have my own lives apart from

2087
01:35:12,013 --> 01:35:14,892
Speaker 12: them sometimes too, you know, and less I was particularly

2088
01:35:14,933 --> 01:35:18,492
Speaker 12: attached or something I would be, you know, perhaps wanting

2089
01:35:18,652 --> 01:35:21,053
Speaker 12: more to do with somebody, But of course I just

2090
01:35:21,093 --> 01:35:23,213
Speaker 12: sort of feel that it's nice to keep them touch

2091
01:35:23,333 --> 01:35:25,892
Speaker 12: and to keep the lines of communication open.

2092
01:35:26,253 --> 01:35:28,253
Speaker 2: Do did you ever get a call from a friend

2093
01:35:28,333 --> 01:35:29,972
Speaker 2: you see who it is, you can't be bothered talking

2094
01:35:29,973 --> 01:35:34,212
Speaker 2: with them right now and not answer Cushler.

2095
01:35:33,253 --> 01:35:36,093
Speaker 12: I have done that. I have done that. That's done

2096
01:35:36,293 --> 01:35:39,532
Speaker 12: when you're trying to disconnect with people. It's a part

2097
01:35:39,572 --> 01:35:41,372
Speaker 12: from something when you've had a lot to do with them,

2098
01:35:41,372 --> 01:35:43,972
Speaker 12: you know, because sometimes some things can get a bit

2099
01:35:44,013 --> 01:35:47,612
Speaker 12: toxic and overdone over. You know, people overbring you. You know,

2100
01:35:47,893 --> 01:35:50,852
Speaker 12: it becomes a number of times a day and it

2101
01:35:50,973 --> 01:35:53,052
Speaker 12: just becomes bombarding in the engineer.

2102
01:35:53,412 --> 01:35:54,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I think a lot of times,

2103
01:35:54,893 --> 01:35:57,012
Speaker 2: a lot of people now just think if someone's actually

2104
01:35:57,013 --> 01:35:59,852
Speaker 2: calling instead of texting, it's an emergency, so you would

2105
01:35:59,853 --> 01:36:04,772
Speaker 2: probably answer because yeah, I mean, if something really really

2106
01:36:04,812 --> 01:36:07,532
Speaker 2: bad's happening, then you're not going to text going how

2107
01:36:07,532 --> 01:36:11,052
Speaker 2: I've fallen to drain and you come and get me. Exactly.

2108
01:36:11,213 --> 01:36:13,452
Speaker 12: I know you wouldn't either. It wouldn't be able to

2109
01:36:13,492 --> 01:36:15,652
Speaker 12: do it, really, would you, because sometimes it's just even

2110
01:36:15,772 --> 01:36:18,732
Speaker 12: for a short time, like in the case like theirs, question,

2111
01:36:18,973 --> 01:36:23,213
Speaker 12: ring up and just let people know you remember you're

2112
01:36:23,213 --> 01:36:25,293
Speaker 12: thinking of them and you're you know, I want to

2113
01:36:25,293 --> 01:36:26,452
Speaker 12: sort of see if they're all right.

2114
01:36:26,772 --> 01:36:28,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it means a lot more, doesn't that actually

2115
01:36:28,492 --> 01:36:30,213
Speaker 2: ring up and say how are you feeling? How are you?

2116
01:36:30,853 --> 01:36:34,412
Speaker 2: How are you dealing with everything? Rather than you're right mate?

2117
01:36:34,572 --> 01:36:35,372
Speaker 2: Yeah in the text?

2118
01:36:35,572 --> 01:36:36,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

2119
01:36:36,812 --> 01:36:39,213
Speaker 2: Well just okay, question mate. Yeah.

2120
01:36:39,333 --> 01:36:41,532
Speaker 3: I think there's just personality types, aren't they that there?

2121
01:36:41,572 --> 01:36:43,692
Speaker 3: I mean, my older bro love him to death, but

2122
01:36:43,732 --> 01:36:45,772
Speaker 3: he's always a caller, never a texter, so he'll never

2123
01:36:45,853 --> 01:36:48,372
Speaker 3: text and always calls, and you know it's going to

2124
01:36:48,372 --> 01:36:50,293
Speaker 3: be a long conversation because he's quite often a lot

2125
01:36:50,333 --> 01:36:53,532
Speaker 3: to catch up with, and that's where I run into

2126
01:36:53,532 --> 01:36:55,372
Speaker 3: problems because sometimes I don't have an hour to check

2127
01:36:55,412 --> 01:36:57,052
Speaker 3: to my older Brian. I know that makes me sound

2128
01:36:57,053 --> 01:36:59,572
Speaker 3: like a bad brother, but you know sometimes it's it's

2129
01:36:59,772 --> 01:37:01,852
Speaker 3: we're all busy here, so you've got to pick those

2130
01:37:01,893 --> 01:37:04,652
Speaker 3: moments well when like when I'm stuck in traffic, that's

2131
01:37:04,652 --> 01:37:06,213
Speaker 3: a that's a time to call Dilla, my big bro.

2132
01:37:06,492 --> 01:37:08,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I often read my dad when I'm

2133
01:37:08,933 --> 01:37:10,932
Speaker 2: driving home, probably when I'm driving home tonight.

2134
01:37:10,973 --> 01:37:12,892
Speaker 3: Good use of time efficient, Yeah, and he.

2135
01:37:12,853 --> 01:37:15,732
Speaker 2: Can entertain me while I'm on their own. So I

2136
01:37:15,772 --> 01:37:18,652
Speaker 2: was stalk before about the Canadian philosopher Marshall mclull and

2137
01:37:18,692 --> 01:37:20,772
Speaker 2: he came up with the saying the global village and

2138
01:37:20,812 --> 01:37:24,053
Speaker 2: the media is the message. And his claim with any

2139
01:37:24,133 --> 01:37:27,533
Speaker 2: technology was it's a fantastic I really enjoy his philosophy,

2140
01:37:27,532 --> 01:37:30,692
Speaker 2: but he said, with every new piece of technology, you've

2141
01:37:30,772 --> 01:37:33,692
Speaker 2: asked the questions, what does the medium enhance, what does

2142
01:37:33,692 --> 01:37:37,093
Speaker 2: the medium make obsolete? What does the medium retrieve that

2143
01:37:37,173 --> 01:37:41,132
Speaker 2: had previously been made obsolete? And when pushed to extreme,

2144
01:37:41,173 --> 01:37:43,732
Speaker 2: what does the medium tend toward or.

2145
01:37:43,692 --> 01:37:46,013
Speaker 3: Reverse into oh good questions.

2146
01:37:46,053 --> 01:37:49,372
Speaker 2: So I'll answer those questions as best I can. Because

2147
01:37:49,412 --> 01:37:52,173
Speaker 2: he died before the smartphones. So while we've been talking,

2148
01:37:52,173 --> 01:37:54,733
Speaker 2: I've been trying to answer those questions with the smartphone

2149
01:37:55,133 --> 01:37:56,173
Speaker 2: and we'll see how we go.

2150
01:37:56,333 --> 01:37:59,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is twenty eight to four headlines with Wendy Keminut.

2151
01:38:02,412 --> 01:38:05,532
Speaker 13: You talk said the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis there's

2152
01:38:05,572 --> 01:38:08,732
Speaker 13: no trouble with the Blue Bubble. Conflicting report odds from

2153
01:38:08,732 --> 01:38:12,013
Speaker 13: the Middle East, with Israel claiming Iran strike a residential

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Speaker 13: building in southern Israel claims a swirling, with US President

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Speaker 13: announcing a ceasefire between Israel and Iran, saying they want peace.

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Speaker 13: Iran earlier responded to strikes by the US with intercepted

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Speaker 13: attacks on a US base in Kuta. All ammunition purchasers

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Speaker 13: now trigger a requirement to register firearms from today. Applying

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Speaker 13: for a license, buying a firearm, change dress, or reporting

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Speaker 13: theft is also set off the requirement. GPS and nurse

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Speaker 13: practitioners will be able to start treating adult ADHD from

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Speaker 13: February without needing specialist involvement. The auder to General says

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Speaker 13: he's found the system for managing Minister's conflict of interest

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01:38:53,093 --> 01:38:56,452
Speaker 13: dealing with fast track approvals is sound, but they could

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Speaker 13: identify conflicts sooner. Census data shows one in ten kiwis

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Speaker 13: aged fifteen to twenty nine identify as LGBTQ plus, compared

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Speaker 13: with one in twenty at our el. As of twenty

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Speaker 13: twenty three, one hundred and seventy two thousand adults identified

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Speaker 13: in at least one group. His death has had a

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Speaker 13: huge impact. Napier Boys First fifteen pay tribute to schoolmate

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Speaker 13: who died in a suspected homicide, Seymour at NZ Herald Premium.

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Speaker 13: Now back to Matt and Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Wendy. Now before the headlines, Matte,

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Speaker 3: you mentioned a great philosopher that you're a big fan.

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Speaker 2: Of, Marshall McLellan.

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01:39:32,933 --> 01:39:35,652
Speaker 3: Yes, So there were four questions he asked when any

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Speaker 3: new technology came to the fore did he call it

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01:39:38,213 --> 01:39:40,892
Speaker 3: the t tread? Yeah, yeah, right, the tea tread. So

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Speaker 3: the four questions I'm going to ask you when we're

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Speaker 3: talking about the phone technology, because that's the discussion we're having.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think it plays into this we're going

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01:39:48,652 --> 01:39:51,213
Speaker 2: so you've got a phone, so you get the iPhone

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01:39:51,253 --> 01:39:55,812
Speaker 2: and ironically it has moved people away from talking. So

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Speaker 2: you've got a phone that has stopped people phoning people,

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01:39:58,772 --> 01:40:03,213
Speaker 2: which is quite an unforeseen circumstance for a piece of technology. Yeah.

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01:40:03,253 --> 01:40:06,812
Speaker 2: So when the least a smartphone, the iPhone was invented,

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01:40:06,973 --> 01:40:09,093
Speaker 2: you know, the cell phone at first happ talking more,

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01:40:09,133 --> 01:40:11,253
Speaker 2: and then text came in and people were texting more

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01:40:11,293 --> 01:40:13,732
Speaker 2: and talking, and then you've got the the move up

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01:40:13,772 --> 01:40:17,732
Speaker 2: to the smartphone, and it's making talking much less likely,

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01:40:17,772 --> 01:40:20,333
Speaker 2: which is so flipping of what you'd expect.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, so this is good. So let's put those questions

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01:40:23,612 --> 01:40:26,293
Speaker 3: to you. So he asked, what does the medium enhance?

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01:40:26,572 --> 01:40:30,333
Speaker 2: Well, obviously it extends our ability to communicate and access

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01:40:30,372 --> 01:40:35,613
Speaker 2: information and to be entertained, and communication speed and convenience,

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01:40:35,732 --> 01:40:38,333
Speaker 2: all those things, and you know, all the information that's

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Speaker 2: really available to us. So it's I mean, it's everything

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Speaker 2: that the iPhone smartphone enhances.

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Speaker 3: Right, yep. So those are good things. But while what

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Speaker 3: does the medium make obsolete?

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Speaker 2: Well that's always the second part of it, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Landlines pretty much completely obsolete. Now, physical cameras took a

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01:40:53,933 --> 01:41:00,973
Speaker 2: real some personal computing has done there. Yeah, and you

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01:41:01,013 --> 01:41:03,253
Speaker 2: know calendars.

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01:41:02,933 --> 01:41:06,013
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, personal assistance sometimes.

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01:41:05,612 --> 01:41:07,372
Speaker 2: And I guess you could ask for a lot of people.

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01:41:07,452 --> 01:41:09,772
Speaker 2: I mean, I wear a watch, but it got rid

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01:41:09,812 --> 01:41:11,852
Speaker 2: of watches. So just those are a few things I

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Speaker 2: can think of.

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Speaker 3: Ye, what does the medium retrieve that has been obsolete earlier?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's an interesting way. So if you say physical

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01:41:19,213 --> 01:41:23,732
Speaker 2: cameras have been obsolete, the cameras like cameras and photo

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01:41:23,772 --> 01:41:27,612
Speaker 2: taking got massively enhanced by by smartphones, didn't it.

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01:41:27,692 --> 01:41:29,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, we take all photos and we've ever taken before,

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01:41:29,732 --> 01:41:30,293
Speaker 3: that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And and you know, like you could argue the

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01:41:33,893 --> 01:41:39,013
Speaker 2: equivalent of radio with podcasts been massively enhanced, isn't it?

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01:41:39,013 --> 01:41:43,532
Speaker 2: And music, I mean retrieved listening to music?

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01:41:43,652 --> 01:41:45,852
Speaker 3: Yep, very true. And the final one was what does

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01:41:45,893 --> 01:41:47,652
Speaker 3: the medium tend towards and push into?

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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, this is the interesting one. So it's led

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Speaker 2: to I guess social isolation, hasn't it. That's the odd thing.

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01:41:57,652 --> 01:42:01,093
Speaker 2: So because people are reduced, reduced face to face interaction,

2224
01:42:02,812 --> 01:42:05,213
Speaker 2: I guess you could argue with decline in real world

2225
01:42:05,333 --> 01:42:08,973
Speaker 2: experiences and people have become you become over reliant on

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01:42:08,973 --> 01:42:12,093
Speaker 2: the device. I guess yeah, I mean those are the

2227
01:42:12,133 --> 01:42:15,973
Speaker 2: things so push to extreme it does exact opposite what

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01:42:16,013 --> 01:42:16,852
Speaker 2: you'd think it would.

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01:42:16,933 --> 01:42:18,612
Speaker 3: And that's the crux, right that if you've got a

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01:42:18,652 --> 01:42:20,932
Speaker 3: generation or it might not just be a generational thing,

2231
01:42:20,933 --> 01:42:23,333
Speaker 3: but a whole bunch of people that are scared and

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01:42:23,452 --> 01:42:26,892
Speaker 3: stressed to talk to somebody on the phone. That to

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01:42:26,973 --> 01:42:28,852
Speaker 3: me is not a good place to be as a

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01:42:28,933 --> 01:42:31,852
Speaker 3: human being. That we want so communicating.

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01:42:31,253 --> 01:42:34,013
Speaker 2: So push to the extreme. You have the ultimate communication

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01:42:34,293 --> 01:42:39,172
Speaker 2: device that is making people communicate in a way less Yeah,

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01:42:39,532 --> 01:42:40,572
Speaker 2: in a more natural way.

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Speaker 3: Great, Yeah, great discussion, great questions.

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01:42:42,812 --> 01:42:43,052
Speaker 7: Media.

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Speaker 2: The messages I guess are Marshall McClellan's most famous pot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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01:42:49,333 --> 01:42:50,973
Speaker 3: number to call if you're frightened to pick up the

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01:42:50,973 --> 01:42:53,372
Speaker 3: phone out of the blue. Love to hear from you.

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01:42:54,053 --> 01:42:58,972
Speaker 3: Surely you're pretty young and you do most of your

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01:42:59,013 --> 01:43:00,213
Speaker 3: communication by text?

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Speaker 26: Is that right?

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01:43:01,812 --> 01:43:05,612
Speaker 25: I'm not a text by voice message. Voice message is

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01:43:05,732 --> 01:43:10,372
Speaker 25: quite common. I mean, I'm a busy but it's it's

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01:43:10,372 --> 01:43:13,213
Speaker 25: it's on messenger and you just push the microphone. You're

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Speaker 25: a cording message. It's the problem I think with that though,

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Speaker 25: that you're not just sending a simple checks you know,

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01:43:18,333 --> 01:43:20,173
Speaker 25: you could be rambling while you're driving, and all of

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01:43:20,173 --> 01:43:22,013
Speaker 25: a sudden you're like, oh my gosh, I've leave someone

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01:43:22,013 --> 01:43:25,213
Speaker 25: a five minute voice message. It also means that they don't,

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01:43:25,772 --> 01:43:28,293
Speaker 25: you know, while we're all working. You can stop and

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01:43:28,293 --> 01:43:29,732
Speaker 25: listen to it when you get to it, and then

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01:43:29,772 --> 01:43:31,572
Speaker 25: you just leave a voice message and they get back

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01:43:31,612 --> 01:43:32,812
Speaker 25: to you when you get back to you know. So

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01:43:32,853 --> 01:43:35,293
Speaker 25: it doesn't really hold any of us up, which is great.

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01:43:35,333 --> 01:43:38,092
Speaker 25: So it works for me, my friends and family.

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Speaker 2: So that's on the that's on the I'm i'm you know,

2262
01:43:40,692 --> 01:43:43,133
Speaker 2: in the message function, so instead of sending a text,

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01:43:43,173 --> 01:43:46,812
Speaker 2: you're just pressing. You press the little microphone down towards

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01:43:46,812 --> 01:43:47,412
Speaker 2: a little message.

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Speaker 25: I mean, I use it on the Facebook messenger apps,

2266
01:43:50,853 --> 01:43:52,772
Speaker 25: but you can use it on text message as well.

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01:43:53,652 --> 01:43:59,132
Speaker 25: I find it really convenient for me my children. Other opposite,

2268
01:43:59,173 --> 01:44:04,652
Speaker 25: my children's video calls every single time, right the video

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01:44:04,652 --> 01:44:06,692
Speaker 25: call their friends and their video call and sit and

2270
01:44:06,732 --> 01:44:08,812
Speaker 25: don't talk to each other for hours on the in

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01:44:09,253 --> 01:44:12,532
Speaker 25: and play games. I'm like, why are you on video

2272
01:44:12,612 --> 01:44:15,333
Speaker 25: call when you're playing the game. They just said how

2273
01:44:15,372 --> 01:44:18,173
Speaker 25: they communicate? Now everyone's on video call.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that they go and see each other

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01:44:20,412 --> 01:44:23,572
Speaker 2: less because of that because I've sort of got this theory.

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01:44:23,572 --> 01:44:26,052
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I had to force myself

2277
01:44:26,093 --> 01:44:27,692
Speaker 2: out of my room to go and see my friends.

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01:44:27,732 --> 01:44:30,452
Speaker 2: Otherwise I wouldn't have a communication. You might try and

2279
01:44:30,452 --> 01:44:32,253
Speaker 2: wring your friend, but someone in the house might have

2280
01:44:32,253 --> 01:44:33,772
Speaker 2: been on the internet, so you couldn't get through to

2281
01:44:33,772 --> 01:44:36,452
Speaker 2: the house, so you actually had to spend time with them.

2282
01:44:36,532 --> 01:44:38,173
Speaker 2: But now, yeah, as you say, they could just set

2283
01:44:38,253 --> 01:44:42,412
Speaker 2: up a FaceTime call and they kind of way kind

2284
01:44:42,412 --> 01:44:45,093
Speaker 2: of with their friends, but kind of not with their friends.

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01:44:44,812 --> 01:44:46,452
Speaker 3: Just leave it there in the background for hours at

2286
01:44:46,452 --> 01:44:48,013
Speaker 3: a time pretty.

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01:44:47,772 --> 01:44:50,492
Speaker 25: Much unless my kids are you know, at sport, they

2288
01:44:50,532 --> 01:44:53,492
Speaker 25: don't really go out very much school at the school,

2289
01:44:53,532 --> 01:44:55,173
Speaker 25: and then the rest of the time it's you know,

2290
01:44:55,452 --> 01:44:59,492
Speaker 25: they'll FaceTime. So yeah, I mean for me, I remember

2291
01:44:59,492 --> 01:45:01,612
Speaker 25: sitting on the phone box in the hallway for hours

2292
01:45:01,652 --> 01:45:05,253
Speaker 25: on the end with the phone long card, which funny enough,

2293
01:45:05,372 --> 01:45:08,812
Speaker 25: is still there in my parents' house. So yeah, I

2294
01:45:08,812 --> 01:45:10,772
Speaker 25: mean I used to go out. I was quite social,

2295
01:45:10,772 --> 01:45:14,133
Speaker 25: whereas now I find I don't go out and I'm

2296
01:45:14,133 --> 01:45:15,412
Speaker 25: a lot more antisocial.

2297
01:45:15,973 --> 01:45:18,812
Speaker 2: I grew up with I grew up with three sisters.

2298
01:45:18,853 --> 01:45:21,852
Speaker 2: Surely the chances of getting on the phone or anyone

2299
01:45:21,933 --> 01:45:24,133
Speaker 2: ringing through that was zero.

2300
01:45:25,812 --> 01:45:26,092
Speaker 7: Zero.

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01:45:26,412 --> 01:45:30,692
Speaker 25: I had of us, five of us girls, so it

2302
01:45:30,772 --> 01:45:35,133
Speaker 25: was always a battle for the phone. So yeah, but no,

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01:45:35,173 --> 01:45:38,493
Speaker 25: I mean, I think definitely we come from an anxious generation.

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01:45:39,293 --> 01:45:42,213
Speaker 2: Do you think that's part of it? Do you think

2305
01:45:42,372 --> 01:45:44,133
Speaker 2: that thing that you know, what were the topic of

2306
01:45:44,173 --> 01:45:48,492
Speaker 2: this conversation is younger generations find it quite stressful to

2307
01:45:48,532 --> 01:45:53,293
Speaker 2: make or receive actual phone calls. Do you think that

2308
01:45:53,293 --> 01:45:55,412
Speaker 2: that that's part of the you know, and it's making

2309
01:45:55,452 --> 01:45:58,732
Speaker 2: them more anxious because they become more and more fearful

2310
01:45:58,772 --> 01:46:01,852
Speaker 2: of face to face interactions just because they don't they

2311
01:46:01,893 --> 01:46:04,772
Speaker 2: take the easier option as we may.

2312
01:46:04,853 --> 01:46:09,172
Speaker 25: You're very comfortable with their behaviors and this safety behaviors

2313
01:46:09,213 --> 01:46:13,013
Speaker 25: as well. I guess you know, my children are not

2314
01:46:13,093 --> 01:46:15,892
Speaker 25: anti social. They're quite social kid, especially at sport and

2315
01:46:15,933 --> 01:46:18,093
Speaker 25: things like that. But they're not one single out to

2316
01:46:18,133 --> 01:46:19,892
Speaker 25: them all with their friends or anything like that.

2317
01:46:20,133 --> 01:46:22,652
Speaker 3: It's a hard thing, isn't it. Surely that it's easier

2318
01:46:22,652 --> 01:46:25,053
Speaker 3: than it's ever been, and not just for younger generations,

2319
01:46:25,053 --> 01:46:28,452
Speaker 3: for everybody to avoid face to face interactions and to

2320
01:46:28,612 --> 01:46:30,772
Speaker 3: communicate via text or as you say, just hold the

2321
01:46:30,853 --> 01:46:34,492
Speaker 3: video call there for hours at a time. But that

2322
01:46:34,612 --> 01:46:38,133
Speaker 3: to me is quite a sad thing or certainly a

2323
01:46:38,173 --> 01:46:40,932
Speaker 3: concerning thing going forward, that you don't want to avoid

2324
01:46:41,412 --> 01:46:44,133
Speaker 3: awkward moments. You want to embrace those awkward moments. That's

2325
01:46:44,173 --> 01:46:46,893
Speaker 3: what makes you better at those interactions.

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01:46:47,333 --> 01:46:49,732
Speaker 25: Yeah, I mean I push myself to go out. I

2327
01:46:49,772 --> 01:46:52,572
Speaker 25: go out on the weekend. I've I helped look after

2328
01:46:52,652 --> 01:46:55,412
Speaker 25: rugby team, and that's like one thing that I do

2329
01:46:56,133 --> 01:46:58,333
Speaker 25: that makes me get out of house. It's pretty much

2330
01:46:58,492 --> 01:47:03,532
Speaker 25: only social interactions that I have. Everything's very convenient on

2331
01:47:03,572 --> 01:47:06,692
Speaker 25: phone and it's on voice message, you know, and it

2332
01:47:06,692 --> 01:47:10,372
Speaker 25: has made it very hard. So yeah, I mean, I

2333
01:47:10,412 --> 01:47:13,492
Speaker 25: think it's it's one thing. I mean, I know someone

2334
01:47:13,532 --> 01:47:16,412
Speaker 25: said before something about dropping into people's houses, and I'm like,

2335
01:47:16,532 --> 01:47:19,692
Speaker 25: that's my worst nightmare, someone just dropping in on me randomly.

2336
01:47:20,412 --> 01:47:24,053
Speaker 25: Absolutely hate it. Actually, Like my own mother's only been

2337
01:47:24,093 --> 01:47:26,612
Speaker 25: to my house twice this year. Like I'm like, I'll

2338
01:47:26,612 --> 01:47:29,173
Speaker 25: come to you, but then I can get away.

2339
01:47:29,333 --> 01:47:31,933
Speaker 2: But that's that's a lost art because people used to

2340
01:47:31,933 --> 01:47:34,053
Speaker 2: have to run their house at all times. You see

2341
01:47:34,053 --> 01:47:38,092
Speaker 2: it on old movies where you had to have stuff

2342
01:47:38,133 --> 01:47:41,213
Speaker 2: ready to entertain people at all times. You couldn't, you know,

2343
01:47:41,293 --> 01:47:43,133
Speaker 2: Now if someone's coming around, there's a mad rush to

2344
01:47:43,133 --> 01:47:44,852
Speaker 2: clean up the house. You bring stuff and to feed

2345
01:47:44,853 --> 01:47:46,253
Speaker 2: them and stuff. But people used to have to have

2346
01:47:46,572 --> 01:47:50,012
Speaker 2: food in the pantry, biscuits ready to go, yeah, biscuits

2347
01:47:50,013 --> 01:47:50,812
Speaker 2: and drink.

2348
01:47:52,293 --> 01:47:55,852
Speaker 25: Yeah yeah, which is my worst nightmare. I love, you know,

2349
01:47:55,973 --> 01:47:58,972
Speaker 25: I love entertaining that it's got to be my terms

2350
01:47:58,973 --> 01:48:00,812
Speaker 25: when I know people are coming, so you need to

2351
01:48:00,812 --> 01:48:06,052
Speaker 25: get your things done and get organized and you know, yeah.

2352
01:48:05,973 --> 01:48:07,452
Speaker 21: But it's one of my worst things.

2353
01:48:08,133 --> 01:48:08,293
Speaker 16: Yeah.

2354
01:48:08,412 --> 01:48:12,452
Speaker 25: Sorry, but I'm quite happy to go to other people's places,

2355
01:48:12,732 --> 01:48:14,892
Speaker 25: I feel because I don't want to besier or I

2356
01:48:14,933 --> 01:48:17,892
Speaker 25: need to go. I can go ye, and they like,

2357
01:48:17,893 --> 01:48:18,572
Speaker 25: get out of my house.

2358
01:48:18,572 --> 01:48:20,452
Speaker 3: I've got to go out just quickly on that cheerly.

2359
01:48:20,492 --> 01:48:22,652
Speaker 3: If you're driving around and you're near a friend's place,

2360
01:48:22,692 --> 01:48:24,852
Speaker 3: you think, oh, I'm like just pop in. Would you

2361
01:48:24,933 --> 01:48:26,612
Speaker 3: just go and knock on the door or would you

2362
01:48:26,612 --> 01:48:27,652
Speaker 3: flick a message first?

2363
01:48:28,333 --> 01:48:31,213
Speaker 25: Oh no, I always flick a message first. And I

2364
01:48:31,253 --> 01:48:33,732
Speaker 25: also have great friends that it's cool come in the

2365
01:48:33,772 --> 01:48:38,093
Speaker 25: dog's away, so you know, it's it's good like that.

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Speaker 25: I always call first, but mainly because most of my

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01:48:41,652 --> 01:48:43,453
Speaker 25: friends and family call first.

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Speaker 2: Call first, or text first cheerly.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah, cool.

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Speaker 2: Voice message, voice message thank.

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Speaker 25: You usually if I'm close, so I'm cool because i'd

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Speaker 25: get a straight answer like faster.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, surely you've been fantastic to chet to thank you

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Speaker 3: very much. O. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: the number to call. Just got to play some messages,

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01:49:03,412 --> 01:49:05,612
Speaker 3: but back with more of your thoughts very shortly. It's

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Speaker 3: fourteen to four.

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01:49:08,412 --> 01:49:12,333
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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01:49:12,333 --> 01:49:15,972
Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon. We're running a bit late, Adam. How

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01:49:19,173 --> 01:49:20,012
Speaker 3: are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 10: Good guys, how are you good?

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01:49:22,812 --> 01:49:26,413
Speaker 3: Do you like a call out of the blue?

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01:49:27,372 --> 01:49:28,492
Speaker 2: I do these days.

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Speaker 26: Actually, I'm a convert. I'm twenty nine, and i'm relatively

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01:49:34,652 --> 01:49:37,052
Speaker 26: I'm two and a half years into a sales career

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01:49:37,093 --> 01:49:40,652
Speaker 26: and I was a historic leave it ring and get

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01:49:40,652 --> 01:49:45,692
Speaker 26: in touch with them later over Texas. But I'm a

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01:49:45,732 --> 01:49:50,012
Speaker 26: big believer of the brain is a muscle, and like any.

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Speaker 10: Muscle, if you don't use it, you lose it.

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Speaker 26: And in my career I can have some phone calls

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01:49:56,652 --> 01:49:59,292
Speaker 26: out of the blue where I can have some very challenging,

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01:49:59,333 --> 01:50:01,812
Speaker 26: difficult conversations that I need to be ready to have

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01:50:01,853 --> 01:50:08,452
Speaker 26: on the spot. And two years ago, holy hell, it

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01:50:08,452 --> 01:50:11,453
Speaker 26: would scare the crap out of me. And now it's

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01:50:11,612 --> 01:50:16,492
Speaker 26: just second nature. Yeah, And I think to your point earlier,

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01:50:17,053 --> 01:50:19,412
Speaker 26: we've got these phones in our pockets, and the least

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Speaker 26: used that is the phone. And back in the day

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Speaker 26: when you needed to know something quick or it needed

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01:50:27,933 --> 01:50:32,213
Speaker 26: to ask a friend to question, pre cell phone and

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01:50:32,293 --> 01:50:35,532
Speaker 26: pre the age of email, you were forced to call

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01:50:35,652 --> 01:50:39,732
Speaker 26: someone and were forced to have a bit of chit

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01:50:39,812 --> 01:50:42,852
Speaker 26: chat in and amongst that quick question you needed to

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01:50:42,893 --> 01:50:45,732
Speaker 26: ask them and you got good at talking to your

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01:50:45,772 --> 01:50:49,372
Speaker 26: mates and talking to people. And with the advent of

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01:50:49,412 --> 01:50:52,132
Speaker 26: text and email, you've got a quick question, quick answer,

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01:50:52,173 --> 01:50:55,012
Speaker 26: happy days, and you don't have all of those common,

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01:50:56,133 --> 01:50:59,372
Speaker 26: commonplace conversations that you used to have. And therefore we've

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01:50:59,452 --> 01:51:00,932
Speaker 26: lost that muscle in our brain.

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Speaker 2: How did you take it to a deeper level, isn't

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01:51:03,933 --> 01:51:05,573
Speaker 2: it Adam?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, Yeah, I would say so, And I think people

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01:51:09,692 --> 01:51:12,092
Speaker 26: should probably look at it like that, there's a muscle

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Speaker 26: in my brain that I need to work. Like going

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01:51:14,492 --> 01:51:16,852
Speaker 26: for a run. You go for a run, you run longer,

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Speaker 26: you're able to run longer. Yeah, and getting a phone

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01:51:20,532 --> 01:51:23,732
Speaker 26: cause almost were on the couch at six o'clock in

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01:51:23,732 --> 01:51:25,892
Speaker 26: the evening from a friend. That's almost like asking for

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01:51:25,933 --> 01:51:27,812
Speaker 26: you to go for a run when that muscle in

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01:51:27,853 --> 01:51:29,532
Speaker 26: your brain has not been worked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And also and also if you're scared of things, Adam,

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01:51:33,133 --> 01:51:35,652
Speaker 2: like maybe you're a bit socially anxious, then by not

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01:51:35,812 --> 01:51:39,933
Speaker 2: doing them, you just strengthen that fear until it can

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01:51:39,973 --> 01:51:43,092
Speaker 2: become a full blown social fear. You're proving the primitive

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01:51:43,093 --> 01:51:45,173
Speaker 2: part of your brain right when you're saying, I was scared,

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01:51:45,213 --> 01:51:47,812
Speaker 2: I didn't do it. I'm still alive. And so it goes.

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01:51:48,093 --> 01:51:50,253
Speaker 2: It adds the fear every time you don't and so

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01:51:50,893 --> 01:51:51,853
Speaker 2: you know, you become.

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01:51:51,772 --> 01:51:52,612
Speaker 18: You're validating it.

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01:51:52,853 --> 01:51:53,692
Speaker 26: You're validating it.

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01:51:53,893 --> 01:51:57,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, now nicely see it, Adam. And

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Speaker 3: I think that's what it comes down to, that we

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01:51:58,853 --> 01:52:01,013
Speaker 3: need a bit of discomfort in our lives. That's what

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01:52:01,173 --> 01:52:03,692
Speaker 3: makes us grow and get better at these life skills.

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01:52:03,732 --> 01:52:06,173
Speaker 3: And that's what it is. Right, communicating with people talking

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01:52:06,213 --> 01:52:07,492
Speaker 3: on the phone even out of the blue.

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01:52:07,612 --> 01:52:10,052
Speaker 2: Well, you know, every study that you can possibly find

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01:52:10,093 --> 01:52:13,013
Speaker 2: fines face to face time spent with other humans is

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01:52:13,013 --> 01:52:15,652
Speaker 2: the thing that makes us happier than anything else. Yeah,

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01:52:15,772 --> 01:52:19,293
Speaker 2: can be stressful, can be political or whatever. But the

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01:52:19,293 --> 01:52:22,293
Speaker 2: more isolated we are, the more troubles we seem to have. Yeah,

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01:52:22,372 --> 01:52:24,733
Speaker 2: Motion and Lily a great discussion.

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01:52:24,933 --> 01:52:27,892
Speaker 3: It is eight minutes to four. Back very shortly here

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01:52:27,893 --> 01:52:28,652
Speaker 3: on New Stalks EDB.

2445
01:52:29,853 --> 01:52:33,372
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2446
01:52:33,572 --> 01:52:37,612
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons Ustalk

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01:52:37,692 --> 01:52:43,452
Speaker 1: z EDB coming up at fourth. It's Heather Duplessy, Alan Drive, GTS.

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Speaker 17: And some nurses will be able to diagnose and treat

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Speaker 17: ADHD patients from next year.

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01:52:47,173 --> 01:52:49,132
Speaker 3: So will this mean the end of huge wait times

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Speaker 3: to get treatment?

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01:52:50,213 --> 01:52:53,492
Speaker 17: Donald Trump's Iran and Israel have agreed to a ceasefire ideal,

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Speaker 17: as is Gamble paid off. Plus, We're going to discuss

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Speaker 17: why christ School students want the name of Roliston ad

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Speaker 17: to be changed.

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Speaker 1: We'll ask you the questions, getting the information you need.

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01:53:03,053 --> 01:53:08,333
Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Allan Drive with One New Zealand next on Newstalks.

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01:53:07,812 --> 01:53:09,093
Speaker 3: EDB five to four.

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01:53:09,652 --> 01:53:11,452
Speaker 2: Thank you to all your great New Zealanders for listening

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01:53:11,452 --> 01:53:13,092
Speaker 2: to the show. Thanks so much for all your calls

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01:53:13,093 --> 01:53:15,012
Speaker 2: and texts. We had a great time chatting. I hope

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01:53:15,053 --> 01:53:17,532
Speaker 2: you have too. The Mat and Tile Afternoons podcast will

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Speaker 2: Paul Holmes Broadcaster of the Year here the Dupless see

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Speaker 2: Allan will be up next, but right now, Tyler, good buddy,

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01:53:35,692 --> 01:53:38,133
Speaker 2: tell me why am I playing this song by Blondie?

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01:53:38,492 --> 01:53:41,133
Speaker 3: But call me baby, even if it's out of the blue.

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01:53:41,173 --> 01:53:43,692
Speaker 3: Don't be anxious, don't be scared, Just pake up the phone.

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01:53:43,452 --> 01:53:45,932
Speaker 2: And talk to me exactly. Oh God, that was an

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01:53:45,933 --> 01:53:49,173
Speaker 2: easy one. Great where you are, whatever you are doing

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01:53:49,253 --> 01:53:51,612
Speaker 2: until tomorrow? Are O give my taste of keepy from us?

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01:53:51,652 --> 01:54:22,972
Speaker 23: Love yours, Matt Tyler.

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