1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Now equity markets are making investors very nervous. This September 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: markets are softening a bit, which is remarkably, remarkably regular 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: regular occurrence actually in September, and Sam Dickey from Fisher 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: Funds is with us, say Sam. 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: Hey have that. So what goes on in September, it 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 2: is quite astonishing. So if you go back sort of 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: twenty thirty or even one hundred years, September is by 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: far the weakest month in the US equity market. In fact, 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: over the last one hundred years, it is the only 10 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: month that is on average negative and the reasons are 11 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: actually pretty benign. So Northern Hemisphere money managers, so July 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: is the by far the strongest month of the year 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: on average, So when they go away on holiday, liquidity 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: drives up a bit and stock markets typically squeeze a 15 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: bit higher, and they come back from the summer break 16 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: all refreshed and look to clean up their portfolios. And 17 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 2: many of these guys have September year end, so they 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 2: clean out losers from their portfolio to tiding the mup 19 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 2: make them look good at September year end, driving down 20 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: stock prices, and part of it's probably self fulfilling, which 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: which seems silly, but investors sell to try and get 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: ahead of the September swoon, which brings on the September swoon. 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: But this year's weakness isn't just about this calendar superstition. 24 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: There are there are some real risks brewing that have 25 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: investors a little concerned, like what, well, first, sentiment is elevated. 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: So remember a few short months ago you and I 27 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: were talking about fear being the highest in twenty five years. 28 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: Now the market is quite exuberant, which worries professional investors. 29 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: So that's why number two is markets are headline expensive. 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: So the price to earnings multiple, the PE ratio is 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: twenty two times earnings, which is pretty much the highest 32 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: level in quarter of a century. And the next six 33 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: months should be tougher economically as the rubber meets the 34 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: road on inflation and growth from tariff. So Home Depot 35 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: put it most succinctly last week, it, like many other 36 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: US companies, have been been swallowing, been eating the tariff 37 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: cofts in pots, imposts and the in their profit and 38 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: loss statements to date as they wait and see where 39 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: terrafs will land. But the Home Depot said they'll look 40 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 2: to pass on these cost increases to consumers in the 41 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: second half, which will lift inflation and truncate growth. And 42 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: of course, the AI bubble is looking pretty inflated right now, 43 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: and the enthusiasm for AI stocks is just not being 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: matched by reality. It's not being matched by the revenue 45 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: use cases from real world use cases. 46 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for investors? 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: I think these are valid concerns. Not the September swiming, 48 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: by the way, not that superstitious thing, but I think 49 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: these are valid concerns, especially given how far the market 50 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: has moved. A couple of caveats, so the first one 51 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 2: is unlike in late twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two 52 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: when we last saw that sort of headline pe multiple 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: up at that twenty two times and we saw a 54 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: big pullback of markets. The US Federal Reserve, the FED 55 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: has a ton of firepower this time to cut rates 56 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: of the economy soften. So remember back then, the Federal 57 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: Reserve benchmark rate, which it uses to stoke or slow 58 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: down the economy was already near zero's whereas today it's 59 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 2: at four and a half percent, So tons of room 60 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: to cut rates to CUSHNERI economic weakness. 61 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, brilliant stuff. 62 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: Sam. 63 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: It's good to talk to you. It always is. We 64 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: talk to you in a week's time. 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