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Speaker 2: Hello, Great New Zealand, and welcome to Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Full Show Podcast number two seven to three for Friday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty third of January, the end of our first

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Speaker 2: Cross live to the mount for you know, a pretty

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Speaker 3: Be a very good afternoon to you. Welcome into the

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Speaker 3: show Friday, great dev your company is always hope you're

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Speaker 2: Get a, Tyler, good he everyone across this beautiful nation.

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Speaker 1: How are you today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, We've got a great show for you as the

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Speaker 3: afternoon progresses. But first we are going to go live

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Speaker 3: to Mount Monganui to get the latest with the recovery

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Speaker 3: operation after the campground landslide. We are joined by New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Herald senior reporter Michael Morra, who is on the ground. Michael,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Hi Matt, how you.

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Speaker 3: Going very good? Thanks? What's the latest with you are? Michael?

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Speaker 4: So, I'm at the cordon. The cordon overnight's been extended

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Speaker 4: quite far back. There has been a couple of crushed

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Speaker 4: morning we've also seen a hearse going and this is

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Speaker 4: still very much a fluid and active operation. And this

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Speaker 4: morning I got to a fairly decent vantage point and

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Speaker 4: you could just make out how much of a huge

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Speaker 4: There is just Tom's and Tom's of dirt at the

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Speaker 3: Of course, the central area of.

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Speaker 4: Interest at the moment remains the ablution and kitchen area,

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Speaker 4: the sort of showers and toilets and kitchen area. That

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Speaker 4: people inside. We do not have precise figures, the Herald

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Speaker 4: nine unaccounted for. Police Commissioner Richard Chambers wouldn't be drawn

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Speaker 4: multiple people who remain missing, so very much a fairly

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's impossible to imagine what they're going through.

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Speaker 4: The outlook does not appear to be good, but of

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Speaker 3: You've been speaking to locals over the past twelve hours, Michael,

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Speaker 4: But his thoughts at the moment are obviously, you know,

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Speaker 4: are certainly tales of heroism from ordinary New Zealanders that

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Michael Warra, a New Zealand he reporter

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Speaker 2: coming to us live from Mount Long and Nui. How

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Speaker 3: Yes, so the police liaison team is here.

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Speaker 4: They're specialists and helping families, and those families are up,

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Speaker 4: We've also had the local Comartu this morning who performed

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Speaker 4: and Police Commissioner Richard Chambers said that there are questions

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Speaker 2: And finally, Michael, what is the key message to locals

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, look, I'm just standing at the cordon and

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Speaker 4: there's probably around a dozen locals who have just come

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Speaker 3: Michael, really appreciate your time this afternoon. We know you've

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Speaker 4: Leisure guys thank you.

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Speaker 3: just a reminder, the Prime Minister, Christopher Lukson will be

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Speaker 3: few hours. When that happens, we will bring that to

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Speaker 2: I would have called one of my kid's Helmet or

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Speaker 2: Wolfgang great great names. But I think that's a side

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Speaker 2: I was reading a story today about an American tourist

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Speaker 2: that was, you know, got embroiled in a supermarket robbery.

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Speaker 3: I saw that it was a real reality TV star,

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like someone coming around to your house

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Speaker 3: You know, you feel bad for your gifts.

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Speaker 2: You have guests for our country to be looked after,

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Speaker 2: and also we want people to think how place is amazing.

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Speaker 2: So it's not great that Hahns and Inner were attacked

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Speaker 3: Good on you being a tourist at eighty.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, dog attacks. What do you do? I mean,

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Speaker 2: as I was saying before, I've been involved in and

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Speaker 2: I've been attacked by a big old ball one time.

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Speaker 3: Got you on the skateboard.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it would be good for just got me on

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Speaker 2: the skateboard. I was on the skateboard. It got me

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Speaker 2: But I say it's a weird situation because in that

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Speaker 2: This was this was a super muscly dog. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: Sort it out between them. That said, I've always done it.

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Speaker 3: This was the problem.

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Speaker 3: Dogs, socializing dogs. You're right, bang on, and.

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Speaker 2: So the dogs didn't learn the rules of how to

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Speaker 3: Yeh, I don't love them.

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Speaker 2: And I mean, I'm sure if I said that to

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Speaker 3: Hans and Gretter Ina, right, yeah, Helmet and Gritter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure they I'm sure they're not listening to that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that

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Speaker 3: Twenty six pas one. We're talking about dog attacks. If

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Speaker 3: you've ever faced one, what happened and how did you fear? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's right, Gertrude and poor Arms and Enna and Off

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Speaker 2: No, tyler before you irresponsibly said that if a dog

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Speaker 3: I said, is that true? I saw it online and

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Speaker 3: So I don't know who that joker was. So it's

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Speaker 3: another person, not the person that's been attacked. Yes, so

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Speaker 3: it's a helper. It's a help I misunderstood. I thought

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Speaker 3: That would try.

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Speaker 2: That would seem difficult. This text says finger up. The

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Speaker 2: good on you texture for censoring your text. So they've

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Speaker 2: put finger up. That does not work.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's a better person than you. This text. Can

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Speaker 3: I have on the radio? Can I rode back a

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Speaker 2: If it has a collar, use that. If not, use

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Speaker 3: Lead lead yep can carry but a lead a round

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Speaker 2: And third least favorite, as you have to get your

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Speaker 2: Please don't encourage dogs to fight to sort it out.

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Speaker 2: That should only be done by people who know how

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Speaker 3: And you said, a lot with puppies, of puppies on

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Speaker 3: isn't that just normal dog behavior. I love to hear

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Speaker 3: two ninety two is the text number as well. Great advice, Tyler. Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, ray Lean And it's twenty seven

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Speaker 2: What was she saying about miss the bottom? Was she

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Speaker 3: No, Unfortunately that didn't make the news and it should off.

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Speaker 3: about CPI.

439
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Speaker 2: The six has just killed the dog asap any means possible,

440
00:21:13,573 --> 00:21:15,653
Speaker 2: even those that try to nip at your heel. No

441
00:21:15,773 --> 00:21:18,053
Speaker 2: holding back time to get rid of dog owners too.

442
00:21:18,853 --> 00:21:22,533
Speaker 2: Oh okay, And so you said kill the dog owners

443
00:21:22,573 --> 00:21:25,533
Speaker 2: and the dogs cheap as Wow. I mean that's you

444
00:21:25,613 --> 00:21:26,293
Speaker 2: and me Gon Tyler.

445
00:21:26,373 --> 00:21:28,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would work, but I think that's a bit brutal.

446
00:21:28,693 --> 00:21:31,253
Speaker 2: I know we've got terrible population collaps in New Zealand

447
00:21:31,253 --> 00:21:33,493
Speaker 2: at the moment. If we kill all the dog owners,

448
00:21:34,533 --> 00:21:34,933
Speaker 2: we're going to.

449
00:21:34,933 --> 00:21:36,053
Speaker 3: Be in trouble. We're in a lot of trouble.

450
00:21:36,093 --> 00:21:38,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh hundred. But thank you for your text.

451
00:21:38,653 --> 00:21:40,893
Speaker 3: Thank you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

452
00:21:40,933 --> 00:21:44,493
Speaker 3: the number to call. Kim. You had an incident with

453
00:21:44,533 --> 00:21:45,253
Speaker 3: your own dog.

454
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Speaker 1: Is that right?

455
00:21:46,613 --> 00:21:47,053
Speaker 13: It's right.

456
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Speaker 14: During the nights last year, my dog attacked me and

457
00:21:54,773 --> 00:21:58,613
Speaker 14: I had severe injuries to one leg. I had an

458
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Speaker 14: operation that required stitching up all the dog bites. Was

459
00:22:02,733 --> 00:22:06,813
Speaker 14: sixty eight stitches, and then I had plastic surgery three

460
00:22:06,853 --> 00:22:17,013
Speaker 14: weeks later. But it's just dogs can be unpredictable. I

461
00:22:17,053 --> 00:22:19,933
Speaker 14: think the dog absolutely loved me. It was only six

462
00:22:20,013 --> 00:22:22,493
Speaker 14: years old and the only reason the dog let go

463
00:22:22,693 --> 00:22:27,093
Speaker 14: of me was my old dog attacked the younger dog

464
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Speaker 14: and that made him let me go, right.

465
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Speaker 3: And I explained, Can you explain how that? How that

466
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Speaker 3: went down?

467
00:22:33,653 --> 00:22:37,413
Speaker 2: Kim?

468
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Speaker 14: I was actually pulling down the fist green to put

469
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Speaker 14: wood on the fire, and the fast green wouldn't come down,

470
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Speaker 14: and I was swearing and the dog, my dog is

471
00:22:48,413 --> 00:22:52,853
Speaker 14: very sensitive, and he was in the kitchen and the

472
00:22:52,893 --> 00:22:58,813
Speaker 14: firest green suddenly collapsed and I landed on top of

473
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Speaker 14: the firet green. The next minute, the dog just leaped

474
00:23:02,013 --> 00:23:06,253
Speaker 14: out and threw himself at the firest green but got

475
00:23:06,293 --> 00:23:09,253
Speaker 14: my leg instead, and.

476
00:23:10,173 --> 00:23:11,013
Speaker 13: My wife got.

477
00:23:10,813 --> 00:23:12,653
Speaker 14: Bitten and trying to get rid of the dog. It

478
00:23:12,773 --> 00:23:16,293
Speaker 14: was to the older dog bit the younger dog that

479
00:23:16,813 --> 00:23:21,213
Speaker 14: he let go. So that's an alternative to sticking your

480
00:23:21,213 --> 00:23:23,293
Speaker 14: finger up the JACKSA is to have your old dog

481
00:23:23,293 --> 00:23:24,293
Speaker 14: a check the young dog.

482
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Speaker 3: It's pretty yeah, clean away, you're very much a cleaner way.

483
00:23:27,813 --> 00:23:30,453
Speaker 3: But that is an odd situation. So the fell over

484
00:23:30,813 --> 00:23:33,333
Speaker 3: and the dog latched onto the leg, and thankfully the

485
00:23:33,373 --> 00:23:35,973
Speaker 3: other dog set upon that dog to get them off.

486
00:23:36,013 --> 00:23:40,413
Speaker 3: But when your own dog turns against you, yeah, it's heartbreaking.

487
00:23:40,893 --> 00:23:43,693
Speaker 2: The six shotgun between the shoulder blades ends the issue

488
00:23:43,733 --> 00:23:46,613
Speaker 2: and insures never bites again. That's true, But I think

489
00:23:46,653 --> 00:23:50,333
Speaker 2: that's I mean, that's depending on you having a shotgun.

490
00:23:50,653 --> 00:23:52,053
Speaker 2: You can get you in trouble with the low If

491
00:23:52,053 --> 00:23:55,573
Speaker 2: you're just walking around with a shotgun around the streets

492
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Speaker 2: of your city in dog parks and such.

493
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Speaker 3: I don't think, Yeah, it's not going to end well

494
00:23:59,573 --> 00:24:00,453
Speaker 3: for either party.

495
00:24:00,533 --> 00:24:02,293
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the solution. No, I don't think

496
00:24:02,773 --> 00:24:05,013
Speaker 2: Tyler's finger up the bums the solution. But also I'm

497
00:24:05,053 --> 00:24:06,773
Speaker 2: not sure about this just to shoot them between the

498
00:24:06,813 --> 00:24:12,333
Speaker 2: shoulder blades. It's going to work either, Mike, Yeah, you know, Mike.

499
00:24:13,013 --> 00:24:15,973
Speaker 11: Yeah, Hi, I goes there. Used to be a meter reader,

500
00:24:16,053 --> 00:24:20,773
Speaker 11: so our meters often on properties with their dogs. I

501
00:24:20,813 --> 00:24:22,973
Speaker 11: think there were there were two things we had to

502
00:24:22,973 --> 00:24:26,013
Speaker 11: worry about, and there was mad dogs and wild women.

503
00:24:26,053 --> 00:24:31,693
Speaker 11: They both bite. But anyway, the what I did often

504
00:24:31,853 --> 00:24:34,613
Speaker 11: was I carried a water pistol, pump up water pistol,

505
00:24:34,653 --> 00:24:37,773
Speaker 11: and one time a dog repeated me from getting the meter,

506
00:24:37,933 --> 00:24:39,733
Speaker 11: and I just screwed him on the nose with a

507
00:24:39,813 --> 00:24:42,973
Speaker 11: water pistol. Two months later, I came back to the property.

508
00:24:43,453 --> 00:24:45,373
Speaker 11: He saw me and weep the end of his chain

509
00:24:45,413 --> 00:24:46,133
Speaker 11: and sat there.

510
00:24:46,413 --> 00:24:48,893
Speaker 3: Wow read the meter.

511
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Speaker 11: So you know, if you remember, I know that may

512
00:24:52,413 --> 00:24:55,093
Speaker 11: not work with all dogs. And someone else said, if

513
00:24:55,093 --> 00:24:58,413
Speaker 11: a dog leaps up and a takes you at you know,

514
00:24:58,613 --> 00:25:02,213
Speaker 11: head height, grab his front legs and just spread them apart,

515
00:25:02,813 --> 00:25:06,253
Speaker 11: and apparently that we'll do damage to his breastbaring and

516
00:25:06,253 --> 00:25:09,213
Speaker 11: and put them out of action. Now again, I would

517
00:25:09,293 --> 00:25:11,773
Speaker 11: like to try that, because it's always comes down to

518
00:25:11,853 --> 00:25:14,613
Speaker 11: that that fright and flight. You know, don't run, but

519
00:25:15,133 --> 00:25:18,333
Speaker 11: you try not to run and stand your ground. You know,

520
00:25:18,413 --> 00:25:21,213
Speaker 11: the natural reaction is to run. I think that you know,

521
00:25:21,293 --> 00:25:24,613
Speaker 11: they respond to that running away, but yeah, you know,

522
00:25:24,813 --> 00:25:27,253
Speaker 11: you try to stand your ground. I don't know. But

523
00:25:27,333 --> 00:25:31,693
Speaker 11: I've got bitten three times, not seriously, but you know,

524
00:25:31,813 --> 00:25:36,373
Speaker 11: enough to draw blood. Didn't need stitches or anything, but yeah,

525
00:25:36,493 --> 00:25:38,493
Speaker 11: you know, and again you just said no, i'd be

526
00:25:38,893 --> 00:25:40,733
Speaker 11: you know, one day he said to minutes walking away

527
00:25:40,773 --> 00:25:42,493
Speaker 11: from the property, or don't worry about the dobb he

528
00:25:42,533 --> 00:25:44,973
Speaker 11: doesn't bite, And the next amount, I'm being attacked in

529
00:25:44,973 --> 00:25:46,773
Speaker 11: the back of my legs and my trousers ripped and

530
00:25:47,333 --> 00:25:50,013
Speaker 11: you know, teeth bunks on my leg So you just

531
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Speaker 11: don't know.

532
00:25:51,533 --> 00:25:53,573
Speaker 2: So then, I mean, I'm just thinking about that reaching

533
00:25:53,613 --> 00:25:56,573
Speaker 2: and grabbing the paws and pushing apart, that that would

534
00:25:56,653 --> 00:25:59,653
Speaker 2: seem like putting your face right into their teeth. Would

535
00:26:00,213 --> 00:26:03,253
Speaker 2: you grab people's coming at you, you grab its legs.

536
00:26:03,293 --> 00:26:05,013
Speaker 2: That there's going to more your nose, isn't it, Mike.

537
00:26:05,333 --> 00:26:09,013
Speaker 11: Yeah, But if he's up there anyway and your face.

538
00:26:09,933 --> 00:26:12,133
Speaker 2: He's already he's already munching on your face. Yeah, he's

539
00:26:12,133 --> 00:26:13,053
Speaker 2: already munching on your face.

540
00:26:13,453 --> 00:26:15,573
Speaker 3: Off your face, yeah, very quickly.

541
00:26:15,773 --> 00:26:20,373
Speaker 11: Just just also needs apart abruptly and quickly, and apparently

542
00:26:20,413 --> 00:26:23,693
Speaker 11: that can that can cause three damage in that area.

543
00:26:23,813 --> 00:26:26,653
Speaker 11: I don't know, but another meter where you told me

544
00:26:26,773 --> 00:26:29,572
Speaker 11: what he did, and I don't recommend this, but he

545
00:26:29,693 --> 00:26:32,173
Speaker 11: used to put a woodle pistol with a couple of

546
00:26:32,213 --> 00:26:36,653
Speaker 11: drops of ganola in it and the nose and and

547
00:26:37,333 --> 00:26:41,173
Speaker 11: you know they're they're sort of bleaching it and they'll

548
00:26:41,173 --> 00:26:42,933
Speaker 11: make them cower.

549
00:26:43,893 --> 00:26:46,413
Speaker 2: Bleach to the face of slippery slope to hydrochloric acid

550
00:26:46,493 --> 00:26:50,013
Speaker 2: or something taste them like pepper spray. Hey, Mike, So,

551
00:26:50,293 --> 00:26:51,973
Speaker 2: but if you if there was a dog there, did

552
00:26:51,973 --> 00:26:53,493
Speaker 2: you still have to go and read the meter, because

553
00:26:53,533 --> 00:26:55,053
Speaker 2: if there's an angry dog, I'm going to go. We're

554
00:26:55,053 --> 00:26:56,773
Speaker 2: not going to read your meat. You know that you

555
00:26:57,133 --> 00:26:58,653
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been put in harms way like that.

556
00:26:59,653 --> 00:27:04,613
Speaker 11: No, well, that's right, I didn't. Uh. We usually had

557
00:27:04,653 --> 00:27:07,693
Speaker 11: notes in our reader, you know, dog do not into

558
00:27:07,733 --> 00:27:11,373
Speaker 11: the property. And sometimes you'd say to you, oh, you

559
00:27:11,373 --> 00:27:13,213
Speaker 11: know you're not going to read it all the dog's out.

560
00:27:13,613 --> 00:27:17,413
Speaker 11: But this particular one, I read the meat several times

561
00:27:17,933 --> 00:27:19,893
Speaker 11: and no problem with the dog. But then I got

562
00:27:19,893 --> 00:27:23,413
Speaker 11: to take by the dogs. So you know, again you

563
00:27:23,493 --> 00:27:26,813
Speaker 11: don't know and this dog, one of the dogs having

564
00:27:26,893 --> 00:27:29,453
Speaker 11: to his policemen's dog. And the dog will put down

565
00:27:29,613 --> 00:27:33,773
Speaker 11: because I report to work and work, you know, took

566
00:27:33,813 --> 00:27:40,733
Speaker 11: a shoe and the neighbors. The council Dog Control inquired

567
00:27:40,773 --> 00:27:43,693
Speaker 11: of the neighbors, and the neighbors said they had several

568
00:27:43,693 --> 00:27:46,253
Speaker 11: complaints about the dogs, so they acted upon the complete

569
00:27:46,253 --> 00:27:47,733
Speaker 11: and the dog will put down.

570
00:27:48,613 --> 00:27:51,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, it happens fair enough. Yeah, if it goes for you,

571
00:27:51,893 --> 00:27:53,453
Speaker 3: if it goes for the meata reader.

572
00:27:53,733 --> 00:27:57,133
Speaker 2: Yeah. But right now, nowadays, when someone's coming around, right,

573
00:27:57,173 --> 00:28:02,173
Speaker 2: you get the text, right, yep, we're coming around, secure

574
00:28:02,213 --> 00:28:04,613
Speaker 2: your dogs, which I actually always makes me laugh because

575
00:28:04,613 --> 00:28:05,133
Speaker 2: I look down.

576
00:28:05,053 --> 00:28:07,893
Speaker 3: At my dog Colin and go, he ain't doing anything.

577
00:28:08,373 --> 00:28:09,373
Speaker 3: He's not a threat to you.

578
00:28:10,573 --> 00:28:13,613
Speaker 2: Have you seen that awesome footage that's about you know,

579
00:28:13,813 --> 00:28:15,693
Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of it as people's getting their

580
00:28:15,693 --> 00:28:18,253
Speaker 2: houses burgled and the dog just coming up and getting

581
00:28:18,293 --> 00:28:18,853
Speaker 2: a pat.

582
00:28:19,453 --> 00:28:21,613
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it's just so much of that footage.

583
00:28:21,773 --> 00:28:25,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just locking, you know, having a good

584
00:28:25,533 --> 00:28:29,493
Speaker 2: time with the burglars as they take the TV and jewelry.

585
00:28:29,773 --> 00:28:32,373
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call.

586
00:28:32,533 --> 00:28:35,173
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear from you if you have been

587
00:28:35,213 --> 00:28:37,933
Speaker 3: attacked by a dog, or what you think you should

588
00:28:37,933 --> 00:28:40,573
Speaker 3: do if you find yourself in that situation. Begvery shortly.

589
00:28:40,573 --> 00:28:41,933
Speaker 3: It is nineteen to two.

590
00:28:43,093 --> 00:28:46,893
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eighty Matt Heath

591
00:28:46,973 --> 00:28:49,333
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk.

592
00:28:49,413 --> 00:28:52,413
Speaker 3: Say'd be afternoon to you. Seventeen to two. We're talking

593
00:28:52,453 --> 00:28:56,053
Speaker 3: about dog attacks after this elderly German couple was attacked

594
00:28:56,373 --> 00:28:58,813
Speaker 3: during their trip to New Zealand. But can you hear

595
00:28:58,853 --> 00:29:01,173
Speaker 3: from you the sex.

596
00:29:01,213 --> 00:29:03,773
Speaker 2: Is I can't believe that you have your dog off lead.

597
00:29:04,733 --> 00:29:07,613
Speaker 2: We've had so many attacks on Huntley because dogs that

598
00:29:07,653 --> 00:29:10,333
Speaker 2: are off lead. Woman's working a dog when three dogs

599
00:29:10,333 --> 00:29:13,293
Speaker 2: attacked her dog, resulting in her dog being seriously hurt

600
00:29:13,453 --> 00:29:16,093
Speaker 2: and may not walk again. Plus roaming dogs are killing cats.

601
00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:16,813
Speaker 3: Well that's fine.

602
00:29:16,853 --> 00:29:19,933
Speaker 2: A lot of roaming dogs are dogs that are chained continuously.

603
00:29:20,093 --> 00:29:22,253
Speaker 2: If they get off there they go feral and kill

604
00:29:22,973 --> 00:29:25,853
Speaker 2: This texture needs to meet my dog, Colin.

605
00:29:26,093 --> 00:29:28,373
Speaker 3: There's a very big difference between dogs.

606
00:29:28,413 --> 00:29:31,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if you've noticed they're looking at dogs,

607
00:29:31,813 --> 00:29:34,973
Speaker 2: very very big difference between dogs. And in a bit

608
00:29:35,013 --> 00:29:38,533
Speaker 2: we'll talk about the chances of being attacked by dogs,

609
00:29:39,333 --> 00:29:42,573
Speaker 2: her dog, my species by breed of dog. Yeah, in

610
00:29:42,613 --> 00:29:45,093
Speaker 2: a minute, But I can't believe you have your dog.

611
00:29:45,253 --> 00:29:48,893
Speaker 2: You cannot blame my dog Colin because some horrible hounds

612
00:29:48,893 --> 00:29:51,453
Speaker 2: of the Baskavilles and Huntley attacked another dog.

613
00:29:51,653 --> 00:29:54,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't smite Colin with that rubbish. Well, it sounds

614
00:29:54,973 --> 00:29:57,333
Speaker 3: like he thinks Colin is like Harry mclary, just shooting

615
00:29:57,373 --> 00:29:59,573
Speaker 3: off to the dairy by himself, getting up to mischief

616
00:29:59,573 --> 00:30:03,173
Speaker 3: with other dogs, street dogs. But Colin, Colin's not like that.

617
00:30:03,533 --> 00:30:05,773
Speaker 2: Colin walks, and he's on lead when he needs to be.

618
00:30:05,813 --> 00:30:06,933
Speaker 3: He's off lead when he needs to be.

619
00:30:07,053 --> 00:30:07,293
Speaker 14: Yeah.

620
00:30:07,413 --> 00:30:09,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's respectful, he's responsible.

621
00:30:09,293 --> 00:30:11,333
Speaker 2: He has never formed a pack of three other dogs

622
00:30:11,333 --> 00:30:14,533
Speaker 2: and disabled another dog or eating a cat.

623
00:30:14,653 --> 00:30:15,853
Speaker 3: He could do nothing he wanted to do.

624
00:30:16,253 --> 00:30:17,733
Speaker 2: I mean, he'd have to climb on the back of

625
00:30:17,733 --> 00:30:20,013
Speaker 2: the cat by at the back of its neck.

626
00:30:20,973 --> 00:30:22,053
Speaker 3: Donna, Welcome to the show.

627
00:30:22,973 --> 00:30:23,093
Speaker 7: Hi.

628
00:30:24,893 --> 00:30:28,213
Speaker 15: So my daughter, when she was four, she was attacked

629
00:30:28,213 --> 00:30:31,213
Speaker 15: by a dog. We were walking into this property. I

630
00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:35,053
Speaker 15: was paying a guy for weed eating my driveway and

631
00:30:35,093 --> 00:30:38,093
Speaker 15: I was out four in the afternoon and she was

632
00:30:38,133 --> 00:30:40,013
Speaker 15: just holding my hand and sucking a thumb and I

633
00:30:40,053 --> 00:30:42,613
Speaker 15: saw this dog playing with the eight year old. And

634
00:30:42,653 --> 00:30:45,053
Speaker 15: at first we went in on the prophy. I left

635
00:30:45,213 --> 00:30:47,133
Speaker 15: their eight year old and come and jumped up on

636
00:30:47,493 --> 00:30:50,453
Speaker 15: my daughter so I could get down. And then it

637
00:30:50,653 --> 00:30:53,533
Speaker 15: just hoed into her and I had to get on

638
00:30:53,613 --> 00:30:56,893
Speaker 15: top of her to get the dog her all of

639
00:30:56,893 --> 00:31:00,293
Speaker 15: her arms and legs underneath me because it was only

640
00:31:00,333 --> 00:31:03,653
Speaker 15: going for her. Thank goodness, they were home, so they

641
00:31:03,693 --> 00:31:05,573
Speaker 15: came out and pulled the dog with us.

642
00:31:05,813 --> 00:31:09,013
Speaker 2: So when you say hold into her bite and did

643
00:31:09,013 --> 00:31:10,173
Speaker 2: she get you get injuries?

644
00:31:11,253 --> 00:31:11,493
Speaker 5: Yeah?

645
00:31:11,613 --> 00:31:15,173
Speaker 15: She had about fifty sitches on the head sent to me,

646
00:31:15,253 --> 00:31:18,613
Speaker 15: a gash from her eye backwards. She was very lucky,

647
00:31:18,933 --> 00:31:23,293
Speaker 15: mister I when I sat holding because it was making

648
00:31:23,293 --> 00:31:25,493
Speaker 15: that horrible noise and I was just trying to get

649
00:31:25,533 --> 00:31:27,613
Speaker 15: it to the whole time, and I was trying to

650
00:31:27,653 --> 00:31:29,693
Speaker 15: get her legs and arms underneath me.

651
00:31:30,533 --> 00:31:30,893
Speaker 3: Yeah.

652
00:31:31,973 --> 00:31:35,613
Speaker 2: And and so was there? Did this go further? Did

653
00:31:35,653 --> 00:31:38,813
Speaker 2: the you take action against the owners and the dogs?

654
00:31:40,173 --> 00:31:40,333
Speaker 11: Well?

655
00:31:40,373 --> 00:31:41,853
Speaker 2: The dogs?

656
00:31:41,893 --> 00:31:43,893
Speaker 15: The council came and got the dog the next day

657
00:31:43,933 --> 00:31:44,573
Speaker 15: and put it down.

658
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Speaker 3: Wow.

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00:31:46,293 --> 00:31:48,853
Speaker 2: And did you know if that had an in trouble

660
00:31:48,853 --> 00:31:50,893
Speaker 2: with that dog before or they.

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00:31:50,773 --> 00:31:54,173
Speaker 15: Say it hadn't. It had never shown any signs of aggression.

662
00:31:54,213 --> 00:31:57,453
Speaker 15: But apparently when kids were walking past and probably going

663
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Speaker 15: to school, they would yeah or what But I was

664
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Speaker 15: only a very young dog, a mixed breed. I mean

665
00:32:03,413 --> 00:32:04,173
Speaker 15: it was just out of.

666
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Speaker 11: The blue air.

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Speaker 3: It must have been horrible as a mum to see that.

668
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Speaker 2: Are you going to full protective mode?

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Speaker 3: Did you get like superpowers?

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Speaker 1: No?

671
00:32:16,573 --> 00:32:19,013
Speaker 15: I was trying to do was get her underneath me.

672
00:32:20,173 --> 00:32:23,173
Speaker 15: So because I was trying to grab out her hair

673
00:32:23,333 --> 00:32:24,533
Speaker 15: and all sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: Has it affected your daughter going forward? Is she scared

675
00:32:28,453 --> 00:32:30,453
Speaker 2: of dogs to this day? Or is she okay?

676
00:32:30,613 --> 00:32:34,893
Speaker 15: Well, she's actually really good. She had therapy through play

677
00:32:34,933 --> 00:32:39,013
Speaker 15: from the hospital, and because her dad was on a farm,

678
00:32:39,133 --> 00:32:44,173
Speaker 15: she was going to regularly. But so that's study. Well

679
00:32:44,213 --> 00:32:47,453
Speaker 15: she's study now. But I still can't go into a

680
00:32:47,493 --> 00:32:50,093
Speaker 15: property if he's a dog. I don't know.

681
00:32:51,933 --> 00:32:59,253
Speaker 3: What kind of dog was this that sort of biggest.

682
00:33:00,453 --> 00:33:03,413
Speaker 15: No, it wasn't really is any about a medium sized dog?

683
00:33:03,773 --> 00:33:04,133
Speaker 3: Right?

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00:33:04,213 --> 00:33:04,413
Speaker 1: Yeah?

685
00:33:05,853 --> 00:33:08,493
Speaker 3: It's my worried Donnor is a dog owner of We've

686
00:33:08,533 --> 00:33:10,813
Speaker 3: had a couple of dogs now and Pepper at our

687
00:33:10,853 --> 00:33:13,293
Speaker 3: current dog, lovely Nature, and she's never had to go

688
00:33:13,333 --> 00:33:16,653
Speaker 3: at anyone. But there's still that element that I'm thinking,

689
00:33:16,933 --> 00:33:19,213
Speaker 3: I just don't know what could set her off. There

690
00:33:19,293 --> 00:33:22,293
Speaker 3: might be something, particularly around kids, and I think, you

691
00:33:22,333 --> 00:33:25,173
Speaker 3: know the and I envision it. I see, you know,

692
00:33:25,373 --> 00:33:27,973
Speaker 3: what would the life look like if she did if

693
00:33:27,973 --> 00:33:29,933
Speaker 3: something happened and she went for a child, and that

694
00:33:29,973 --> 00:33:34,053
Speaker 3: would be horrendous, horrendous for our life. She would be euthanized,

695
00:33:34,053 --> 00:33:34,933
Speaker 3: of course.

696
00:33:34,733 --> 00:33:38,013
Speaker 2: And the kid, Tyler, and the kid and the kid exactly.

697
00:33:38,133 --> 00:33:41,133
Speaker 3: So just that, you know, I I that little moment

698
00:33:41,173 --> 00:33:43,853
Speaker 3: that I think I'm just gonna get my hand in

699
00:33:43,893 --> 00:33:46,733
Speaker 3: front of her face while she's around kids, because the

700
00:33:46,773 --> 00:33:48,133
Speaker 3: alternative I can't live with.

701
00:33:48,853 --> 00:33:52,053
Speaker 2: What was the recovery like for your daughter, Donna? That

702
00:33:52,093 --> 00:33:53,653
Speaker 2: would you say? Fifty six stitches?

703
00:33:54,653 --> 00:33:58,293
Speaker 15: It was really good. She recovered really well and the

704
00:33:58,373 --> 00:33:59,813
Speaker 15: scar still there.

705
00:34:00,173 --> 00:34:02,333
Speaker 2: But it could have been an eidol, you know, it

706
00:34:02,533 --> 00:34:04,533
Speaker 2: could have been you know, just there's a certain amount

707
00:34:04,533 --> 00:34:04,733
Speaker 2: of luck.

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00:34:04,773 --> 00:34:09,453
Speaker 15: Absolutely, It's just it was so traumative for me. And

709
00:34:09,493 --> 00:34:11,772
Speaker 15: I used to walk in the morning and the dark

710
00:34:12,053 --> 00:34:17,013
Speaker 15: before I went to work, and I stopped. I couldn't

711
00:34:17,013 --> 00:34:19,333
Speaker 15: do it on my own anymore. But I now have

712
00:34:19,413 --> 00:34:25,693
Speaker 15: a young dog and he's a minister Schnauzer. Really good training.

713
00:34:26,293 --> 00:34:28,853
Speaker 15: But I bet a week ago and he sort of

714
00:34:28,893 --> 00:34:31,773
Speaker 15: changed his personality, got really attached to me. I was

715
00:34:31,893 --> 00:34:35,893
Speaker 15: upstick and he was he got very attached and he

716
00:34:36,013 --> 00:34:38,613
Speaker 15: was around some of my grandchildren and he just acted

717
00:34:38,733 --> 00:34:41,973
Speaker 15: really differently like has behavior. I thought, Oh, I don't

718
00:34:42,013 --> 00:34:45,293
Speaker 15: know what's going to go on here. So I think

719
00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:49,493
Speaker 15: you're quite right that dogs can react differently to what

720
00:34:49,493 --> 00:34:50,373
Speaker 15: you think they're going to.

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00:34:50,893 --> 00:34:51,133
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:34:51,253 --> 00:34:53,253
Speaker 2: I mean in the case of you and your daughter,

723
00:34:53,573 --> 00:34:56,172
Speaker 2: I mean absolutely no fault of yours, no way I'm

724
00:34:56,173 --> 00:34:59,853
Speaker 2: saying that. But for a dog, they're like more likely

725
00:34:59,893 --> 00:35:01,773
Speaker 2: to attack on someone else's property. As you say, you're

726
00:35:01,773 --> 00:35:03,772
Speaker 2: scared to go into people's property if there's a dog now.

727
00:35:04,093 --> 00:35:06,933
Speaker 2: But yeah, and for you Tyler as well. So Pepper

728
00:35:07,013 --> 00:35:08,652
Speaker 2: at home's a bit different.

729
00:35:09,573 --> 00:35:11,293
Speaker 3: When she's out and about it. Yeah, absolutely, I mean

730
00:35:11,333 --> 00:35:11,973
Speaker 3: there are dogs.

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00:35:12,173 --> 00:35:13,732
Speaker 2: There are the dogs like my dog Colin that will

732
00:35:13,773 --> 00:35:16,973
Speaker 2: invite intrudersm and you know, feed.

733
00:35:16,813 --> 00:35:20,053
Speaker 3: Them and he's a good boy, the good boy caller.

734
00:35:20,213 --> 00:35:22,013
Speaker 2: But you know a lot of dogs are are going

735
00:35:22,053 --> 00:35:23,652
Speaker 2: to be pretictive of their their house something.

736
00:35:23,893 --> 00:35:24,093
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:35:24,533 --> 00:35:26,253
Speaker 2: But look, you've got a many Schnauzer, you say, I've

738
00:35:26,253 --> 00:35:28,413
Speaker 2: got a many Schnaeus, a Jack Russell cross or a

739
00:35:28,453 --> 00:35:30,853
Speaker 2: snack And I can tell you I'm looking at the

740
00:35:30,893 --> 00:35:34,973
Speaker 2: top twenty five most likely types of dog to bite someone.

741
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Speaker 2: Schnauzer doesn't even many schnas doesn't make the top twenty five.

742
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Speaker 3: Dinner No, doesn't even.

743
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Speaker 7: Make the top.

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Speaker 15: The meat reader, what came in today and hung all

745
00:35:46,293 --> 00:35:50,213
Speaker 15: went off having crazy and sick times she's been and

746
00:35:50,293 --> 00:35:52,093
Speaker 15: both times he's on it and barked and who And

747
00:35:52,173 --> 00:35:54,333
Speaker 15: I said, look, I'm really sorry. He won't do really

748
00:35:54,413 --> 00:35:57,453
Speaker 15: thinks but he seems away from whom he just barks.

749
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Speaker 15: I thought, I don't think she really brave of her.

750
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Speaker 15: And I never got a text for saying anything to

751
00:36:02,453 --> 00:36:05,373
Speaker 15: say that I'm coming on to your property. Otherwise I

752
00:36:05,373 --> 00:36:09,053
Speaker 15: would have just made sure he was inside. But HeiG barks,

753
00:36:09,293 --> 00:36:12,013
Speaker 15: he carries on when somebody advives at the house.

754
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's thirty years ago, but I'm still

755
00:36:15,773 --> 00:36:17,693
Speaker 2: sorry to hear about that with your daughter, an it

756
00:36:17,693 --> 00:36:19,093
Speaker 2: sounds like it still traumatizes you.

757
00:36:19,173 --> 00:36:20,533
Speaker 3: But thank you so much for your call.

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Speaker 15: Thank you.

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00:36:22,893 --> 00:36:24,652
Speaker 3: Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty's the number

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Speaker 3: to call. Nine to nine two is a text.

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00:36:26,693 --> 00:36:29,772
Speaker 2: Matt Heath you effing tosser. Oh I got to read

762
00:36:29,773 --> 00:36:30,133
Speaker 2: that one.

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Speaker 3: Oh this is spicy. Okay, that's coming up next nine

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Speaker 3: to two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty it's Mad Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons.

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Speaker 3: News DOGSB news Dogs THEREB six to two. We're talking

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Speaker 3: about dog attacks. Have you been on the receiving end

769
00:36:48,853 --> 00:36:50,253
Speaker 3: of a dog attack? I'd love to hear from you,

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Speaker 3: Mad Heath. You're an effing tosser.

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Speaker 2: As someone who has lost a cat to an off

772
00:36:56,173 --> 00:37:00,692
Speaker 2: leash off lost a cat to an off leash dog

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Speaker 2: and the distress that caused my family was awful. I'm

774
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Speaker 2: lodging an official complaint about your cat hating attitude. I'm

775
00:37:06,933 --> 00:37:09,893
Speaker 2: not sure if cat hating is a crime and not

776
00:37:09,973 --> 00:37:13,613
Speaker 2: every body loves dogs like you and Tyler?

777
00:37:13,613 --> 00:37:14,333
Speaker 1: Do you?

778
00:37:14,453 --> 00:37:18,293
Speaker 2: Matt need to get off the ear get ift you

779
00:37:18,453 --> 00:37:20,173
Speaker 2: cat hating bastard.

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00:37:20,173 --> 00:37:22,573
Speaker 3: Well, that is a cat lover right there that has

781
00:37:22,733 --> 00:37:24,893
Speaker 3: deep cat lover passionate about pussies.

782
00:37:24,973 --> 00:37:27,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I get it. But I think you're going

783
00:37:27,373 --> 00:37:28,693
Speaker 2: to be You're going to be struggled to live in

784
00:37:28,693 --> 00:37:31,653
Speaker 2: this world if you're not going to hear cat dog rhetoric.

785
00:37:32,493 --> 00:37:33,652
Speaker 2: You're gonna hear it everywhere you go.

786
00:37:33,693 --> 00:37:34,772
Speaker 3: It's happened for a long time.

787
00:37:34,853 --> 00:37:38,733
Speaker 2: What's that great line from Ghostbusters? From Bill Murray?

788
00:37:39,853 --> 00:37:41,333
Speaker 3: Or does it say? What can we expect?

789
00:37:41,453 --> 00:37:45,773
Speaker 2: It's like human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together mass hysteria.

790
00:37:46,453 --> 00:37:50,693
Speaker 2: I mean, great movie dogs hating cats as trope.

791
00:37:50,693 --> 00:37:51,652
Speaker 3: That's going to stay with us.

792
00:37:51,853 --> 00:37:55,453
Speaker 2: So you know, if you give that triggered texter, you

793
00:37:55,533 --> 00:38:00,573
Speaker 2: get that triggered by people making jokes about cats, then.

794
00:38:00,453 --> 00:38:02,373
Speaker 3: You're going to have a difficult life.

795
00:38:02,533 --> 00:38:04,292
Speaker 2: Better just to accept that every now and then people

796
00:38:04,293 --> 00:38:06,333
Speaker 2: are going to make fun of the dog cat rivalry.

797
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Speaker 3: Okay, yes.

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00:38:08,693 --> 00:38:11,053
Speaker 2: That is horrendous, tragic, yes, yeah, so sorry about the

799
00:38:11,173 --> 00:38:12,733
Speaker 2: Not as bad as losing a dog, but tragic.

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Speaker 3: Dogs are great. Dogs are the best of us. A

801
00:38:15,453 --> 00:38:17,893
Speaker 3: couple more ticks. Oh that's a nice one.

802
00:38:18,773 --> 00:38:21,293
Speaker 2: Just search the kind of dog you have, Matt a

803
00:38:21,373 --> 00:38:27,173
Speaker 2: schnack So cute? What an awesome parp bit Tyler, But Tyler,

804
00:38:27,213 --> 00:38:28,453
Speaker 2: what breed is Pepper?

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00:38:28,653 --> 00:38:28,813
Speaker 5: Oh?

806
00:38:28,893 --> 00:38:31,212
Speaker 3: Yes? Well, first, Colin is a good looking dog, very

807
00:38:31,213 --> 00:38:33,173
Speaker 3: good looking dog, and he snaw's a jet us across

808
00:38:33,213 --> 00:38:35,373
Speaker 3: Pepper is I think you call them a lurcher. She's

809
00:38:35,413 --> 00:38:39,813
Speaker 3: a Greyhound Steffy cross. She's quite regal looking lurcher. She

810
00:38:39,973 --> 00:38:42,053
Speaker 3: I mean she should be good at chasing rabbits and

811
00:38:42,093 --> 00:38:43,853
Speaker 3: going after rats, but she doesn't do any of that.

812
00:38:44,093 --> 00:38:48,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, but have we got time for the dog? The

813
00:38:48,773 --> 00:38:49,413
Speaker 2: dog stats?

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00:38:49,493 --> 00:38:51,172
Speaker 3: Yes, let's have a few of those. Yeap?

815
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Speaker 2: Okay, So you know, being scared of dogs, there's only

816
00:38:55,653 --> 00:38:57,973
Speaker 2: some dogs that will live a bite you. Cavalier King

817
00:38:58,053 --> 00:39:01,692
Speaker 2: Charles Spaniel yep. Almost no examples of them biting another

818
00:39:01,773 --> 00:39:06,813
Speaker 2: human being great chiaha though three times the norm for

819
00:39:06,813 --> 00:39:10,093
Speaker 2: a dog. So if you take a Maltese yep as

820
00:39:10,133 --> 00:39:13,413
Speaker 2: the baseline in the study, they say Maltese is a baseline,

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Speaker 2: pitbull type dogs are fifteen times more likely to buite.

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Speaker 3: You than a baseline dog. Makes sense.

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00:39:18,013 --> 00:39:20,652
Speaker 2: A cavalier King Charles as many men to choose, less

824
00:39:20,733 --> 00:39:22,373
Speaker 2: likely to buy it even than a Maltese, and a

825
00:39:22,373 --> 00:39:22,853
Speaker 2: Maltese is.

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Speaker 3: Very unlikely to buy it yet.

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00:39:23,973 --> 00:39:29,693
Speaker 2: Yeah right right, yes, So the top ones pitbull, terrier, shitsu, Chihuahua.

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Speaker 2: Some of these is less important if you get bitten

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Speaker 2: by them, and we'll give you the rest after the break.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, we're going to carry this on after

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Speaker 3: two o'clock. But coming up next, the Prime Minister is

832
00:39:38,933 --> 00:39:42,013
Speaker 3: fronting a media conference live in a few minutes time.

833
00:39:42,173 --> 00:39:44,373
Speaker 3: We are going to take you there live. He will

834
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Speaker 3: be giving an update about the situation in Mount Monganui,

835
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Speaker 3: so stay tuned for that. Great to have your company

836
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Speaker 3: this afternoon, stay right here. Will be back shortly.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoons News Dog zid Bey.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, Chi, welcome back into the program. It's

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Speaker 3: six past two, so we are waiting for the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 3: He is due very very shortly to front a media

842
00:40:09,293 --> 00:40:12,973
Speaker 3: conference live, so we will take you there as soon

843
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Speaker 3: as that begins. He's live on the ground in a

844
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Speaker 3: Mount mong Nui, just to give you bring you up

845
00:40:18,773 --> 00:40:20,893
Speaker 3: to speed rather with the latest. So the search obviously

846
00:40:20,893 --> 00:40:24,533
Speaker 3: continues for people trapped after that massive landslide at the

847
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Speaker 3: Mount Mongonui campground. The New Zealand Herald understands as many

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00:40:27,933 --> 00:40:30,813
Speaker 3: as nine people are unaccounted for. Two people have been

849
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Speaker 3: confirmed dead in another landslide, including a Chinese citizen. Police

850
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Speaker 3: Commissioner Richard Chambers said it could take days for families

851
00:40:38,253 --> 00:40:40,733
Speaker 3: to get answers given the complexities at the scene of

852
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Speaker 3: that landslide, and anxious family members of those missing have

853
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Speaker 3: gathered at the campground awaiting news as those recovery efforts continue. Meanwhile,

854
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Speaker 3: two bodies recovered from a house on Welcome Bay Road

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Speaker 3: following a slip in totong A subub yesterday are thought

856
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Speaker 3: to be a grandmother and tragically a grandson. A search

857
00:40:58,973 --> 00:41:01,693
Speaker 3: has resumed today. Meanwhile for a father of four swept

858
00:41:01,733 --> 00:41:06,973
Speaker 3: away in Mahurangi River near Walkworth. So roads have begun

859
00:41:07,013 --> 00:41:09,573
Speaker 3: to open across the Corimander Peninsula, Hawks Bay and Bay

860
00:41:09,613 --> 00:41:14,853
Speaker 3: of Plenty. State of emergencies remain in place for Northland Coromandel, Tarafadbay,

861
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Speaker 3: Bay of Plenty Rather and the Horarchys. So just repeating,

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00:41:19,613 --> 00:41:22,692
Speaker 3: we are awaiting the Prime Minister, Christopher Luxen, who is

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00:41:22,853 --> 00:41:25,533
Speaker 3: on the ground in Mount mongan Nui, to front a

864
00:41:25,613 --> 00:41:29,093
Speaker 3: media conference where more information will be known.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we'll cut to the Prime Minister as soon as

867
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Speaker 2: he reaches the mic and starts talking. In the last

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Speaker 2: hour we were discussing Hahns seventy four and Inner eighty

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Speaker 2: German tourists who are attacked by unrestrained dogs at Woodside Reserve

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Speaker 2: and Massy in January last year, they both received serious

871
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Speaker 2: bite wounds.

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Speaker 3: Oh, hang on, let's go.

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Speaker 7: Well, Currea, Good afternoon. Everybody.

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Speaker 16: New Zealand is full of grief today and what has

875
00:42:05,213 --> 00:42:10,133
Speaker 16: happened here is an absolute tragedy. Events privilege really to

876
00:42:10,173 --> 00:42:13,413
Speaker 16: actually sit and meet with family members who've lost loved

877
00:42:13,453 --> 00:42:17,252
Speaker 16: ones here, those that are waiting for their gloved ones

878
00:42:17,293 --> 00:42:21,773
Speaker 16: to be accounted for and are missing, and you know

879
00:42:22,133 --> 00:42:24,093
Speaker 16: they are grieving incredibly hard, and I know that New

880
00:42:24,173 --> 00:42:27,173
Speaker 16: Zealand brieves with them, and I've passed that sentiment to

881
00:42:27,213 --> 00:42:29,613
Speaker 16: each and every one of the family members and friends.

882
00:42:29,293 --> 00:42:30,093
Speaker 7: That are here waiting.

883
00:42:31,213 --> 00:42:33,173
Speaker 16: I want to say a very big thank you to

884
00:42:33,493 --> 00:42:36,613
Speaker 16: all the first responders, the response and the leadership from

885
00:42:36,653 --> 00:42:40,133
Speaker 16: friends and from police, but also our local emergency teams,

886
00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:45,212
Speaker 16: our NIMA, our mayors, our Minister, our Marai have done

887
00:42:45,213 --> 00:42:48,173
Speaker 16: a phenomenal job across North Frond in particular and around

888
00:42:48,213 --> 00:42:51,093
Speaker 16: and throw White throughout the country. But some of our

889
00:42:51,093 --> 00:42:54,773
Speaker 16: local surf clubs and everybody has been amazing. I've come

890
00:42:54,813 --> 00:42:57,293
Speaker 16: and visited people that have been impacted by slips and

891
00:42:57,333 --> 00:43:00,373
Speaker 16: you see neighbors just actually going off and friends of

892
00:43:00,453 --> 00:43:02,933
Speaker 16: friends of friends actually going to someone's house to actually

893
00:43:02,973 --> 00:43:06,493
Speaker 16: help clear with spades and buckets. Are the debris and

894
00:43:06,093 --> 00:43:09,172
Speaker 16: the slips that have happened. So I just want to say,

895
00:43:09,213 --> 00:43:12,653
Speaker 16: you know, there's something inspiring to see community members reaching

896
00:43:12,693 --> 00:43:15,253
Speaker 16: out to their fellow neighbors and actually supporting them in

897
00:43:15,333 --> 00:43:17,173
Speaker 16: really difficult and very tough times.

898
00:43:18,253 --> 00:43:21,333
Speaker 7: Obviously, we still have a series of challenges across the country.

899
00:43:21,373 --> 00:43:23,453
Speaker 16: Yesterday I spoke to most of all of the mayors

900
00:43:23,493 --> 00:43:25,333
Speaker 16: across the country and the five regions where we have

901
00:43:25,373 --> 00:43:26,693
Speaker 16: local emergency.

902
00:43:26,213 --> 00:43:27,373
Speaker 7: And emergency still in place.

903
00:43:27,933 --> 00:43:32,133
Speaker 16: Our real challenges are continuing to be around road access,

904
00:43:32,213 --> 00:43:37,333
Speaker 16: in particular to some isolated communities. Secondarily some slips where

905
00:43:37,373 --> 00:43:39,573
Speaker 16: we actually find two or three days after the heavy

906
00:43:39,613 --> 00:43:41,172
Speaker 16: rains have been as where the.

907
00:43:41,133 --> 00:43:42,453
Speaker 7: Risk of a slip takes place.

908
00:43:42,893 --> 00:43:45,933
Speaker 16: And then thirdly, a lot of are still flooding issues

909
00:43:45,973 --> 00:43:47,373
Speaker 16: to work our way through as well.

910
00:43:47,933 --> 00:43:49,813
Speaker 7: At this stage, a lot of our focus, as.

911
00:43:49,773 --> 00:43:52,333
Speaker 16: You've seen here overnight and today, continues to be a

912
00:43:52,413 --> 00:43:56,973
Speaker 16: search and rescue mission. Obviously we're still very much in

913
00:43:57,013 --> 00:44:00,053
Speaker 16: the response stage across the country, but in the next

914
00:44:00,133 --> 00:44:03,253
Speaker 16: two days, obviously, councils to make their assessments.

915
00:44:02,733 --> 00:44:06,093
Speaker 3: As to what more support or resources.

916
00:44:05,213 --> 00:44:09,333
Speaker 16: Are needed in order to recover. We as a government

917
00:44:09,413 --> 00:44:13,173
Speaker 16: stands ready for that. That our agencies have been involved

918
00:44:13,413 --> 00:44:15,453
Speaker 16: from the very beginning, but again we need to let

919
00:44:15,493 --> 00:44:16,893
Speaker 16: that assessment come.

920
00:44:16,733 --> 00:44:19,653
Speaker 7: Forward before we can actually work out what else is needed.

921
00:44:19,693 --> 00:44:22,093
Speaker 7: But we are very committed to actually make.

922
00:44:22,013 --> 00:44:24,013
Speaker 17: Sure that these communities get the support that.

923
00:44:24,013 --> 00:44:25,093
Speaker 7: They desperately need.

924
00:44:25,773 --> 00:44:28,053
Speaker 16: I'm going to pass off to David from Friends and

925
00:44:28,093 --> 00:44:31,252
Speaker 16: then off to Tim from Police, and then we've niver

926
00:44:31,373 --> 00:44:32,853
Speaker 16: up some questions after that and that's okay.

927
00:44:33,013 --> 00:44:34,933
Speaker 7: Thanks so thank you.

928
00:44:36,293 --> 00:44:39,453
Speaker 18: First of all, I want to acknowledge the communities and

929
00:44:40,053 --> 00:44:42,653
Speaker 18: families that have been so affective by this tragic event,

930
00:44:42,693 --> 00:44:47,613
Speaker 18: from Northland through to Auckland, coramand or tairafity of the course,

931
00:44:47,613 --> 00:44:53,733
Speaker 18: they are plenty. Our crews of five emergency people, including

932
00:44:53,893 --> 00:44:58,813
Speaker 18: USA and specialist water rescue teams have worked tirelessly within

933
00:44:58,853 --> 00:45:03,133
Speaker 18: the communities that they were deployed to to assist those communities.

934
00:45:02,573 --> 00:45:03,413
Speaker 7: In time of need.

935
00:45:04,933 --> 00:45:08,133
Speaker 18: Things are starting to wind down across the rest of

936
00:45:08,173 --> 00:45:10,893
Speaker 18: the country, but of course our attention has very much

937
00:45:10,973 --> 00:45:15,333
Speaker 18: focused on the event that still runs here, which for

938
00:45:15,453 --> 00:45:18,453
Speaker 18: our as far as we're can see, as a rescue event.

939
00:45:19,213 --> 00:45:23,453
Speaker 18: We're working in complete conjunction with police over this and

940
00:45:23,533 --> 00:45:27,933
Speaker 18: I just want to think also all of the contractors

941
00:45:27,933 --> 00:45:30,013
Speaker 18: that have obviously been brought in to assist us with

942
00:45:30,053 --> 00:45:33,213
Speaker 18: this event, as well as other volunteer agencies that are

943
00:45:33,253 --> 00:45:38,133
Speaker 18: supporting emergency service workers to sustain the effort that we're

944
00:45:38,133 --> 00:45:42,373
Speaker 18: putting in here. So in closing at this point, I

945
00:45:42,493 --> 00:45:45,333
Speaker 18: just like to make the point that we are committed

946
00:45:45,413 --> 00:45:49,533
Speaker 18: to being here throughout this process until we come to

947
00:45:49,573 --> 00:45:51,493
Speaker 18: a satisfactory conclusion.

948
00:45:51,853 --> 00:45:54,573
Speaker 7: Thank you, Thanks.

949
00:45:54,373 --> 00:45:56,533
Speaker 5: One good afternoon.

950
00:45:57,373 --> 00:45:59,853
Speaker 19: Like David, I just want to acknowledge the support of

951
00:45:59,893 --> 00:46:03,493
Speaker 19: a community here. The support to police and different agencies

952
00:46:03,533 --> 00:46:06,733
Speaker 19: here has been overwhelming, also from the different.

953
00:46:06,493 --> 00:46:09,053
Speaker 5: Hypo and we're working closely with them.

954
00:46:09,213 --> 00:46:12,292
Speaker 19: And the tongue to anyone really appreciate their assistance as well.

955
00:46:13,373 --> 00:46:15,813
Speaker 19: Our police staff have been flown in from around the country.

956
00:46:15,813 --> 00:46:17,533
Speaker 19: We have some of the best police staff here you

957
00:46:17,533 --> 00:46:20,493
Speaker 19: could imagine in terms of the different phases that are

958
00:46:20,493 --> 00:46:24,652
Speaker 19: required for this sort of piece of work. I can

959
00:46:24,813 --> 00:46:29,093
Speaker 19: say in terms of numbers that are currently unaccounted for,

960
00:46:29,253 --> 00:46:32,373
Speaker 19: we have six people that we know are unaccounted for,

961
00:46:33,053 --> 00:46:35,212
Speaker 19: and we have a further list of three that we're

962
00:46:35,253 --> 00:46:35,893
Speaker 19: working through.

963
00:46:36,493 --> 00:46:40,093
Speaker 5: It's unlikely that those other three are within the.

964
00:46:40,013 --> 00:46:42,773
Speaker 19: Environs of our scene that we're working with, but we

965
00:46:42,813 --> 00:46:46,773
Speaker 19: would like the public's information on that. We have posted

966
00:46:46,853 --> 00:46:49,692
Speaker 19: on our portal through our New Zealm Police website. There

967
00:46:49,733 --> 00:46:53,573
Speaker 19: is a portal, so anyone that has any cell phone footage,

968
00:46:53,573 --> 00:46:56,813
Speaker 19: any camera footage, anything like that they'd like to share

969
00:46:56,813 --> 00:46:58,813
Speaker 19: with the investigation team, they can go on to the

970
00:46:58,813 --> 00:47:02,253
Speaker 19: New Zealand Police website now get hold of a portal

971
00:47:02,333 --> 00:47:05,252
Speaker 19: and then download their videos and camera footage for there.

972
00:47:05,693 --> 00:47:08,133
Speaker 19: We would make that appeal now and would very much

973
00:47:08,133 --> 00:47:12,413
Speaker 19: have preciate that assistance. I can't say too much more

974
00:47:12,413 --> 00:47:15,533
Speaker 19: about the details other than we're working. We have family

975
00:47:15,533 --> 00:47:19,653
Speaker 19: liaison offices working with the families closely here.

976
00:47:21,613 --> 00:47:22,293
Speaker 5: It's a very.

977
00:47:22,173 --> 00:47:25,133
Speaker 19: Somber occasion, but we have some of the best staff

978
00:47:25,133 --> 00:47:27,493
Speaker 19: from around the country here to deal with those sorts

979
00:47:27,493 --> 00:47:31,413
Speaker 19: of things. We have obviously the supportive of the Prime Minister,

980
00:47:32,013 --> 00:47:35,893
Speaker 19: the Minister of Police and our Commissioner and Dignity commissioners.

981
00:47:35,413 --> 00:47:39,653
Speaker 5: So very well supported and people for that any.

982
00:47:39,493 --> 00:47:43,493
Speaker 4: Questions, sorry, just first of all, I mean the six

983
00:47:43,573 --> 00:47:46,013
Speaker 4: that are confirmed un accounted for the other three are

984
00:47:46,013 --> 00:47:49,293
Speaker 4: those people who are on the list who may have

985
00:47:49,453 --> 00:47:51,533
Speaker 4: been checked in here at the time, but you're trying

986
00:47:51,573 --> 00:47:52,293
Speaker 4: to contact them.

987
00:47:52,533 --> 00:47:55,413
Speaker 5: That's right. So that list was about ten as of

988
00:47:55,453 --> 00:47:57,692
Speaker 5: this morning. We've worked through a whole lot through.

989
00:47:57,733 --> 00:48:01,133
Speaker 19: We've discounted the seven. I should say that out of

990
00:48:01,133 --> 00:48:04,013
Speaker 19: those three, it's only likely that they're pretty much been

991
00:48:04,053 --> 00:48:07,733
Speaker 19: International tourists would have depart of the area and we're not.

992
00:48:08,613 --> 00:48:10,733
Speaker 19: We don't believe the year, but we've still got to

993
00:48:10,733 --> 00:48:11,533
Speaker 19: do that inquiry.

994
00:48:12,773 --> 00:48:13,253
Speaker 20: If we're a.

995
00:48:13,373 --> 00:48:15,653
Speaker 1: Hun that work patres, are we done?

996
00:48:15,693 --> 00:48:15,933
Speaker 5: Are like?

997
00:48:16,093 --> 00:48:17,573
Speaker 8: How come that hate you on it?

998
00:48:18,493 --> 00:48:21,293
Speaker 19: Look? That's I mean if you if you look overseas,

999
00:48:22,093 --> 00:48:24,573
Speaker 19: there's been a matter of days where people have been rescued.

1000
00:48:24,853 --> 00:48:26,973
Speaker 19: This is, as we've heard from fire, very much a

1001
00:48:27,013 --> 00:48:31,133
Speaker 19: rescue operation still and that's where we're at there.

1002
00:48:31,573 --> 00:48:32,613
Speaker 5: Do you have a call.

1003
00:48:32,573 --> 00:48:40,133
Speaker 19: Wind opportunity that's that's to be decided in the coming days.

1004
00:48:40,173 --> 00:48:42,613
Speaker 5: But what we can say we're working twenty four seven.

1005
00:48:43,133 --> 00:48:46,253
Speaker 19: You might see that the fire staff, the Urban Searchral

1006
00:48:46,293 --> 00:48:50,172
Speaker 19: Rescue working tirelessly, as are the contractors. They're working through

1007
00:48:50,253 --> 00:48:53,053
Speaker 19: last night, they're working through tonight. I think we're due

1008
00:48:53,093 --> 00:48:54,213
Speaker 19: for some bad weather tomorrow.

1009
00:48:54,293 --> 00:48:55,773
Speaker 1: So you have to assistant.

1010
00:48:56,933 --> 00:49:00,373
Speaker 5: But what I can say is we're leaving no stone unturned.

1011
00:49:00,893 --> 00:49:05,172
Speaker 19: We have every staff member, every resource required and it's

1012
00:49:05,213 --> 00:49:08,093
Speaker 19: quite a humbling and a privilege to observe it.

1013
00:49:08,133 --> 00:49:11,853
Speaker 5: On the Prime Minister's has been through there and absolutely

1014
00:49:11,853 --> 00:49:12,733
Speaker 5: outstanding with you.

1015
00:49:14,893 --> 00:49:16,732
Speaker 15: Continue to be as operation.

1016
00:49:18,173 --> 00:49:21,613
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's to be determined. Why day any positive

1017
00:49:21,693 --> 00:49:27,693
Speaker 5: science that someone might not not as of today, but

1018
00:49:27,733 --> 00:49:28,413
Speaker 5: we live.

1019
00:49:28,293 --> 00:49:30,733
Speaker 6: In New Zealand and.

1020
00:49:33,933 --> 00:49:37,333
Speaker 5: Rescue as and recover atsion. Is there.

1021
00:49:38,893 --> 00:49:41,093
Speaker 20: Any sense of how many moneys people?

1022
00:49:42,093 --> 00:49:42,213
Speaker 18: Now?

1023
00:49:42,373 --> 00:49:45,253
Speaker 20: What are we here in things of knowing.

1024
00:49:44,933 --> 00:49:49,613
Speaker 7: What well we've actually had Obviously two people.

1025
00:49:49,413 --> 00:49:52,493
Speaker 17: Have been you know as WelCom Bay.

1026
00:49:52,533 --> 00:49:55,333
Speaker 16: We've talked about that, I've met with, I've met with

1027
00:49:55,333 --> 00:49:57,893
Speaker 16: a number of families and what I'm saying again is

1028
00:49:57,893 --> 00:50:02,173
Speaker 16: that you know, there is high anxiety, there is great

1029
00:50:01,133 --> 00:50:05,693
Speaker 16: you are deeply distress, the understandably so uh And so

1030
00:50:05,893 --> 00:50:09,653
Speaker 16: what I can despite the sadness, despite the somberness, despite

1031
00:50:09,653 --> 00:50:14,013
Speaker 16: the tragedy that we're all going through here, I'm incredibly

1032
00:50:14,253 --> 00:50:17,333
Speaker 16: incredibly impressed up by the absolute professionalism and pop these

1033
00:50:17,333 --> 00:50:20,253
Speaker 16: olbers that have come together here, the joint up between

1034
00:50:20,613 --> 00:50:24,573
Speaker 16: the National Central Government and also local government has been

1035
00:50:24,613 --> 00:50:27,013
Speaker 16: outstanding and it's not just here, it's actually in the

1036
00:50:27,013 --> 00:50:30,293
Speaker 16: other centers as I've spoken to leaders across the different

1037
00:50:30,333 --> 00:50:32,652
Speaker 16: regions as well. But you know, we've got teams there

1038
00:50:32,653 --> 00:50:34,253
Speaker 16: that have come from all over New Zealand to be

1039
00:50:34,333 --> 00:50:36,893
Speaker 16: here today as part of search and search and rescue

1040
00:50:36,893 --> 00:50:38,692
Speaker 16: and they are working twenty four to seven and they're

1041
00:50:38,693 --> 00:50:39,053
Speaker 16: going for it.

1042
00:50:39,053 --> 00:50:41,533
Speaker 17: It's going through a shift changeover right now and.

1043
00:50:41,773 --> 00:50:43,413
Speaker 7: They are deeply, deeply committed to do.

1044
00:50:43,453 --> 00:50:45,133
Speaker 17: Everything they can to find these loved ones.

1045
00:50:45,533 --> 00:50:48,853
Speaker 7: Increased here again, I'm not let the police are and

1046
00:50:48,933 --> 00:50:51,172
Speaker 7: searching as we talk about the details of our oppressing again.

1047
00:50:51,533 --> 00:50:53,933
Speaker 10: No, I'm going to think those plus in that list

1048
00:50:53,933 --> 00:50:56,493
Speaker 10: of six plus three, are you able to tell.

1049
00:50:56,333 --> 00:50:58,933
Speaker 7: Us how many can you reason how many are internationals

1050
00:50:58,973 --> 00:50:59,893
Speaker 7: for Australians.

1051
00:50:59,893 --> 00:51:02,893
Speaker 19: I can't go to that detail right now, other than

1052
00:51:02,933 --> 00:51:06,373
Speaker 19: to say that there has been I think speculational discussion

1053
00:51:06,373 --> 00:51:12,933
Speaker 19: around children. The younger stages are fifteen years of age,

1054
00:51:12,973 --> 00:51:14,212
Speaker 19: So we're talking about youth or.

1055
00:51:14,173 --> 00:51:15,413
Speaker 5: Young people, were teenagers?

1056
00:51:15,773 --> 00:51:18,813
Speaker 4: Is it just one teenager or there are others? Are

1057
00:51:18,813 --> 00:51:19,893
Speaker 4: they from the same family.

1058
00:51:20,333 --> 00:51:22,613
Speaker 5: I can't go into any more detail than that today.

1059
00:51:23,213 --> 00:51:24,493
Speaker 5: That's that's all I can give you.

1060
00:51:24,653 --> 00:51:28,573
Speaker 10: We understand that what kind of support is being offered

1061
00:51:28,573 --> 00:51:29,453
Speaker 10: to them specifically.

1062
00:51:30,293 --> 00:51:33,613
Speaker 19: Yeah, what I can say in the welcome bay matter

1063
00:51:33,693 --> 00:51:38,893
Speaker 19: where we recovered to deceased. Unfortunately one of those one

1064
00:51:38,933 --> 00:51:42,893
Speaker 19: of those persons was a Chinese national. So in that case,

1065
00:51:42,893 --> 00:51:47,253
Speaker 19: we're working with the relevant embassy or ambassadors in better

1066
00:51:47,333 --> 00:51:49,133
Speaker 19: doing all that work as well and behind the scenes.

1067
00:51:49,173 --> 00:51:51,853
Speaker 5: So that's all that all takes place as of course

1068
00:51:51,853 --> 00:51:54,653
Speaker 5: in terms of the normal way progressive.

1069
00:51:54,293 --> 00:51:56,813
Speaker 4: When we know Tim that at around five am there

1070
00:51:56,853 --> 00:51:59,253
Speaker 4: was someone who came into the campground to maybe Mahik

1071
00:51:59,373 --> 00:52:01,652
Speaker 4: and it's just with us who was trying to wake

1072
00:52:01,693 --> 00:52:04,773
Speaker 4: people up and get people out. Do you know why

1073
00:52:04,813 --> 00:52:07,533
Speaker 4: precisely at five am she that that person would have

1074
00:52:07,573 --> 00:52:09,693
Speaker 4: been doing it because shar is credited with saving a

1075
00:52:09,733 --> 00:52:12,413
Speaker 4: lot of lives and it makes you wonder why people

1076
00:52:12,413 --> 00:52:13,933
Speaker 4: went all out earlier.

1077
00:52:14,573 --> 00:52:17,093
Speaker 5: Yeah, let the Mare speak to that in a minute.

1078
00:52:17,093 --> 00:52:20,333
Speaker 19: But what I can toay is the investigation into this

1079
00:52:20,413 --> 00:52:23,732
Speaker 19: is very wide and so that there's those aspects will

1080
00:52:23,773 --> 00:52:24,373
Speaker 19: be part.

1081
00:52:24,173 --> 00:52:27,493
Speaker 7: Of the investigation. I'm going to say those families been able.

1082
00:52:29,453 --> 00:52:31,613
Speaker 21: Yeah, no, thank you for that question. Look, there there

1083
00:52:31,693 --> 00:52:35,053
Speaker 21: is a lot of questions to be answered, and we

1084
00:52:35,293 --> 00:52:39,252
Speaker 21: are determined to answer those questions as you I'm sure

1085
00:52:39,373 --> 00:52:41,652
Speaker 21: can be aware. At the moment, our focus is very

1086
00:52:41,733 --> 00:52:46,212
Speaker 21: much on finding those unaccounted for people. So I can

1087
00:52:46,253 --> 00:52:48,493
Speaker 21: I can just assure you that that we will answer

1088
00:52:48,533 --> 00:52:50,973
Speaker 21: those questions. We'll go through a proper process.

1089
00:52:51,453 --> 00:52:53,973
Speaker 1: It will be public that we.

1090
00:52:54,013 --> 00:52:57,253
Speaker 21: Answer all those questions and understand how we got to

1091
00:52:58,373 --> 00:52:59,013
Speaker 21: this situation.

1092
00:52:59,133 --> 00:53:01,213
Speaker 4: And just to be clear, at five am, where there

1093
00:53:01,253 --> 00:53:03,533
Speaker 4: are already signs of the mountain.

1094
00:53:03,213 --> 00:53:09,813
Speaker 21: Slipping, our indicative answer is we've we've heard there was

1095
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Speaker 21: possibly a small slip where people did move away from

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Speaker 21: from the site of.

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Speaker 5: How responsible for not evacuating the cancer.

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Speaker 21: Look, those those questions will be answered. As I said,

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Speaker 21: I'll give you a commitment that they will be answered.

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Speaker 21: It's just right now our focus is on emergency services

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Speaker 21: supporting them and supporting those families. You can, I'm sure

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Speaker 21: can appreciate there's there's families of six people around the

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Speaker 21: area at the moment that are waiting for the return

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Speaker 21: of their loved one.

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Speaker 4: Have spoken, I've spoken to how many families.

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Speaker 17: Are actually involved here?

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Speaker 16: Give you your own Well, you've heard the police talk

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Speaker 16: to the fact that there are you know, six families

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00:53:54,773 --> 00:53:57,652
Speaker 16: that are really involved, or six six people that.

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Speaker 17: They are are looking for.

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Speaker 7: There's a number of families involved.

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Speaker 20: A number of families.

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Speaker 12: Is that super that?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 16: Look, I won't go into numbers. I just I didn't

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00:54:06,253 --> 00:54:07,853
Speaker 16: you know, I met the families that I was able

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00:54:07,893 --> 00:54:11,893
Speaker 16: to meet with today, and you know, they're all dealing with,

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00:54:12,053 --> 00:54:14,333
Speaker 16: you know, in some cases, huge amount of grief and

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00:54:14,413 --> 00:54:18,693
Speaker 16: others a huge amount of anxiety waiting for the recovery

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Speaker 16: of their.

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Speaker 7: Loved one and the finding their loved one.

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Speaker 16: There's a number of them that there's very good management

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Speaker 16: happening with police liaison around the family members.

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Speaker 7: I've been really super impressed by the police. Again, a

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Speaker 7: lot of the.

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Speaker 16: Families wanted to play back the support that they've all

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Speaker 16: felt from the community and from the first responders and

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Speaker 16: from the police and from the fire and the word

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Speaker 16: that search and rescue are doing as well.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I think we can be incredibly I appreciate.

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00:54:44,693 --> 00:54:48,413
Speaker 16: There'll be lots of different questions that people have. There'll

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00:54:48,453 --> 00:54:50,373
Speaker 16: be time for that, but for right now, we need

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00:54:50,413 --> 00:54:54,253
Speaker 16: to focus on a search and rescue mission responsible to

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00:54:54,253 --> 00:54:55,973
Speaker 16: come today rather than yesterday.

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00:54:56,613 --> 00:54:59,173
Speaker 17: Well to yesterday was you know, we were dealing. I

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00:54:59,173 --> 00:55:01,253
Speaker 17: don't want to get in the way of actually the

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Speaker 17: work that needs to happen immediately.

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Speaker 7: I've come as quickly as I possibly can.

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Speaker 16: Yesterday I spent most of my time on the phone

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00:55:06,973 --> 00:55:09,933
Speaker 16: talking to all the mares across five regions that we

1141
00:55:10,013 --> 00:55:12,173
Speaker 16: have across the country that are impacted with local.

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Speaker 7: States and the emergency.

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00:55:13,533 --> 00:55:16,813
Speaker 16: Today, I've already come into terms of Tiua. I'm here

1144
00:55:17,213 --> 00:55:18,613
Speaker 16: in and I'm heading.

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00:55:18,413 --> 00:55:20,493
Speaker 7: Out to Tarafati obviously next.

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Speaker 16: So you know, it's it's just picking the right time

1147
00:55:23,373 --> 00:55:25,213
Speaker 16: when actually I don't become a burden or.

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00:55:25,213 --> 00:55:28,053
Speaker 17: A distraction for the resources that actually.

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00:55:27,773 --> 00:55:30,653
Speaker 7: I want focused on on on.

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Speaker 4: Rescupe as as prime ministers. As Prime Minister Chris, do

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00:55:35,213 --> 00:55:37,933
Speaker 4: you think that there are questions that definitely need to

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00:55:37,973 --> 00:55:40,933
Speaker 4: be asked of what's transpired here, because I've spoken to

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00:55:40,973 --> 00:55:42,973
Speaker 4: a camper who managed to get out with his life,

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00:55:42,973 --> 00:55:46,093
Speaker 4: who says he cannot believe that people were still camping

1155
00:55:46,133 --> 00:55:48,293
Speaker 4: out there, and he cannot believe that no one came

1156
00:55:48,333 --> 00:55:50,333
Speaker 4: and told them to get out.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, look at there'll be two things that will happen.

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Speaker 16: I mean, after all of these tragedies and also these emergencies,

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00:55:56,013 --> 00:55:58,093
Speaker 16: we do an after action review and we say, you know,

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Speaker 16: are there things that we have learned in our response

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00:56:00,053 --> 00:56:01,652
Speaker 16: that we can do better across the.

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Speaker 7: Whole of the country. That will happen.

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Speaker 16: And I am actually very very proud of the fact

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00:56:05,053 --> 00:56:07,453
Speaker 16: that we have had a series of events, often five

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00:56:07,533 --> 00:56:09,733
Speaker 16: years apart in our sponsor has got better and better,

1166
00:56:09,853 --> 00:56:12,293
Speaker 16: and the join up and the focus that Mark and I.

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00:56:12,293 --> 00:56:14,293
Speaker 7: Have in particular on making sure that we've got the.

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Speaker 16: Emergency management response system in place working in the way

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Speaker 16: that it should.

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Speaker 7: You know, that's that's one piece of work.

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00:56:19,333 --> 00:56:21,413
Speaker 16: There's just a natural piece of work to say, is

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00:56:21,413 --> 00:56:24,093
Speaker 16: there anything else we've learned, anything that we should do better, better,

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00:56:24,133 --> 00:56:26,453
Speaker 16: differently or building into operating process going forward, so we

1174
00:56:26,573 --> 00:56:29,933
Speaker 16: keep continually improving it. On the other hand, with respect

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00:56:29,973 --> 00:56:32,933
Speaker 16: and the specifics here at the campground, you've heard mahesay,

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00:56:32,933 --> 00:56:36,093
Speaker 16: there'll be obviously a review that will take place until

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00:56:36,213 --> 00:56:39,253
Speaker 16: he's committed to do that in a very public way.

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Speaker 8: Financial support is the government going to offer her, whether

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00:56:43,293 --> 00:56:44,493
Speaker 8: effect the community.

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00:56:44,373 --> 00:56:45,693
Speaker 7: Look, that will all be determined.

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00:56:46,173 --> 00:56:48,053
Speaker 17: You know, we've actually had a lot of.

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00:56:47,973 --> 00:56:51,293
Speaker 16: Our agencies like MSD and MPI ready to go from

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00:56:51,373 --> 00:56:53,613
Speaker 16: day one. They'll be working with the welfare teams and

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00:56:53,613 --> 00:56:56,253
Speaker 16: the local emergency management response units.

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00:56:55,973 --> 00:56:56,813
Speaker 7: Across the country.

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00:56:57,533 --> 00:57:00,093
Speaker 16: We've obviously got others like IRD and a number of

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00:57:00,093 --> 00:57:02,453
Speaker 16: government's up to fifteen actually that then.

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00:57:02,333 --> 00:57:04,973
Speaker 7: Are involved and also recovery as well.

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Speaker 16: But at this point, you know, across the country, you

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00:57:07,693 --> 00:57:10,133
Speaker 16: know we still have isolated communities, we.

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00:57:10,133 --> 00:57:13,413
Speaker 17: Have road access issues, we still have slip.

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Speaker 16: Risks, and obviously we're dealing with some plooding in different places.

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Speaker 16: So over the next forty eight hours the mayors and

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Speaker 16: the councilors will make their assessments and all un signaling

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00:57:23,213 --> 00:57:25,053
Speaker 16: to them right from day one, and the fact that

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Speaker 16: Mark Mitchell has been on the ground all week in

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Speaker 16: the different places in the to five different regions in

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Speaker 16: close contact with those mayors. That's sort of how we

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Speaker 16: work together and have been working together the last two

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Speaker 16: years so that we can actually we're ready to stand

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00:57:39,813 --> 00:57:42,493
Speaker 16: whatever they need and support them with whatever they need.

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00:57:42,533 --> 00:57:45,173
Speaker 16: But until they do that assessment, we've got to do

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00:57:45,213 --> 00:57:47,813
Speaker 16: the response piece person then we'll move for recovery.

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00:57:48,733 --> 00:57:51,853
Speaker 3: So just recamping the latest from that media conference, the

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00:57:51,933 --> 00:57:55,093
Speaker 3: latest on the landslide at Mount Montanui. Police Assistant Commissioner

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Speaker 3: Tim Anderson says there are six people confirmed unaccounted for

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00:57:58,773 --> 00:58:01,933
Speaker 3: in another three They are still working to establish their whereabouts.

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Speaker 3: There may be international tourists who have since left the area.

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister Christopher Luxen has labeled the events in absolute tragedy.

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Speaker 3: He says it was an immense privilege to meet with

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00:58:11,053 --> 00:58:14,053
Speaker 3: family members waiting to hear news. He also says the

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00:58:14,093 --> 00:58:17,773
Speaker 3: search and rescue mission continues and the government stands ready

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00:58:17,773 --> 00:58:20,293
Speaker 3: to help counsels who need support in the coming days

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00:58:20,293 --> 00:58:24,093
Speaker 3: of fire and emergency spokes businesses their attention, full attention

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00:58:24,293 --> 00:58:28,813
Speaker 3: remains on that landslide in Mount Monganui and the recovery efforts.

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00:58:29,093 --> 00:58:32,253
Speaker 3: And we did hear from Mayor Marhi Drynsdale as well,

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00:58:32,613 --> 00:58:36,533
Speaker 3: who reiterated there will be an in depth investigation and

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Speaker 3: he admitted there were many questions that will be answered,

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00:58:40,213 --> 00:58:42,293
Speaker 3: but they need to be answered at the right time.

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Speaker 3: So that is the recap and there will be plenty

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00:58:45,373 --> 00:58:48,373
Speaker 3: more to come on that as the afternoon progresses. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you will keep you updated.

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Speaker 2: Grim, heartbreaking, very breaking, there's no words for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, desperately sad. It is twenty five pass two back

1225
00:58:55,933 --> 00:58:56,773
Speaker 3: very surely.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

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Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk said be.

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Speaker 3: For good AFTERNU twenty eight past two and we will

1229
00:59:10,613 --> 00:59:14,613
Speaker 3: of course bring you any developing news that comes out

1230
00:59:14,693 --> 00:59:18,133
Speaker 3: of the rescue, search and rescue, if it in Mount Mongan, Niwi,

1231
00:59:18,253 --> 00:59:19,853
Speaker 3: just stay tuned. We will bring it to you live

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Speaker 3: when that happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something interesting that the Prime Minister said that

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00:59:23,253 --> 00:59:26,533
Speaker 2: the risk slip is high two to three days after

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Speaker 2: after one of these events, the ex grain events. So

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00:59:29,813 --> 00:59:33,293
Speaker 2: you know we're in that window now, so be vigilant, Yeah,

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00:59:33,573 --> 00:59:36,733
Speaker 2: for any any potential slips wherever you are. And there

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00:59:36,773 --> 00:59:41,213
Speaker 2: was another call for any video footage of the slip. Yes,

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00:59:41,253 --> 00:59:44,413
Speaker 2: you've got anything, any audio, a video to get that

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00:59:44,573 --> 00:59:46,053
Speaker 2: to the appropriate authorities.

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00:59:46,173 --> 00:59:46,373
Speaker 1: Yep.

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00:59:46,413 --> 00:59:49,213
Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's a portal involved and we will get you

1243
00:59:49,293 --> 00:59:51,453
Speaker 3: the address for that portal if you can help police

1244
00:59:51,493 --> 00:59:55,493
Speaker 3: with that investigation. But back to our discussion about dog attacks.

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Speaker 3: This is after an elderly German couple, Hans and Ina,

1246
00:59:58,813 --> 01:00:01,253
Speaker 3: were seriously injured in a vicious dog attack at an

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01:00:01,253 --> 01:00:03,613
Speaker 3: Auckland park. But we've taken a little bit wider than that.

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Speaker 3: We're keen to talk to you if you've been on

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01:00:05,533 --> 01:00:08,133
Speaker 3: the receiving end of a dog attack, and what did

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01:00:08,133 --> 01:00:10,173
Speaker 3: you do when that happens? Oh, eight hundred and eighty

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01:00:10,173 --> 01:00:11,933
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. A couple of

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01:00:11,973 --> 01:00:15,573
Speaker 3: texts coming through on nine two ninety two. Dog attack.

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Speaker 2: If you say you're out for a run and a

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01:00:17,733 --> 01:00:21,813
Speaker 2: large dock comes into attack, off up your forearm and

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01:00:21,853 --> 01:00:24,373
Speaker 2: push it as far back into its mouth. At the

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01:00:24,413 --> 01:00:27,733
Speaker 2: same time, wrap your other arm tightly around the back

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01:00:27,773 --> 01:00:31,173
Speaker 2: of its neck and fall over on the top of it.

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01:00:31,613 --> 01:00:34,413
Speaker 2: This will instantly break the dog's neck. Geez, then off

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01:00:34,413 --> 01:00:36,813
Speaker 2: to hospital for a few stitches in your arm and

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01:00:36,853 --> 01:00:37,733
Speaker 2: a tennis injection.

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Speaker 3: So it sounds quote full on. So you give it

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01:00:40,693 --> 01:00:43,253
Speaker 3: the forearm so it comes at you, and then you

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01:00:43,333 --> 01:00:45,133
Speaker 3: swing around the back of the dog.

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Speaker 2: A large dog comes into attack, offer up your forearm, yeah,

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01:00:49,813 --> 01:00:52,813
Speaker 2: push it as far back into its mouth, and at

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01:00:52,813 --> 01:00:56,293
Speaker 2: the same time wrap your arm tightly around the back

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01:00:56,333 --> 01:00:59,533
Speaker 2: of its neck and fall over on the top of it.

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01:00:59,573 --> 01:01:02,253
Speaker 2: This will instantly break the dog's neck. I mean that's

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Speaker 2: for the courageous.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it. So you gotta flip it over. I mean

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Speaker 3: that sounds like for special ops people Yeah, we've got

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Speaker 3: to practice that technique and if you remember of the essays,

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Speaker 3: you might attempt this one. Yeah. I don't know if

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01:01:13,493 --> 01:01:15,733
Speaker 3: I'll give that one a go. Yeah, I think finger

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01:01:15,773 --> 01:01:18,013
Speaker 3: up the JACKSI seems like an easier way to do.

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Speaker 3: All right, we're taking your calls. I one hundred and

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01:01:20,213 --> 01:01:22,333
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty back very shortly. It is bang on

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01:01:22,413 --> 01:01:23,213
Speaker 3: HPAs two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty on US Talk ZB it.

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Speaker 3: Is twenty eight to three. So in that press conference

1282
01:01:36,253 --> 01:01:38,293
Speaker 3: down in Mount mong and Nui, the police did mention

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01:01:38,653 --> 01:01:41,653
Speaker 3: a portal that is operational on their website. If you've

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01:01:41,653 --> 01:01:45,493
Speaker 3: got footage, audio, pictures, they are really keen to get access.

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01:01:45,533 --> 01:01:47,413
Speaker 3: So that is part of their investigation as to what

1286
01:01:47,453 --> 01:01:50,253
Speaker 3: had happened. So to find that portal, just go to

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Speaker 3: police dot govt dot in zed. There is a banner

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01:01:54,133 --> 01:01:56,533
Speaker 3: at the top and that will take you through to

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01:01:56,573 --> 01:01:59,573
Speaker 3: a link to that portal. So that website again, police

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Speaker 3: dot govt dot in Z. If you've got any of

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01:02:02,853 --> 01:02:07,493
Speaker 3: that material, it could be incredibly valued, valuable to the police. Yeah,

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01:02:07,613 --> 01:02:09,733
Speaker 3: I mean I've seen some of that footage it's it's

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01:02:09,813 --> 01:02:10,933
Speaker 3: tough watch harrowing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So we're talking about dog attacks after two odally

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01:02:16,333 --> 01:02:19,413
Speaker 2: German tourists was seriously entered in a dog attack in

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Speaker 2: Auckland and then the owners of the bull Terrier, an

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01:02:24,533 --> 01:02:27,853
Speaker 2: American bulldog cross with a bull tier where they didn't

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01:02:27,893 --> 01:02:31,733
Speaker 2: turn up. They didn't turn up to the to pay

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Speaker 2: their fines. So we've been talking about dog attacks in

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Speaker 2: the last wee while. And let's go to Reagan, who's

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Speaker 2: got knows how dogs work.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I was just I was just wanting to confirm

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01:02:46,373 --> 01:02:51,013
Speaker 22: the technique of disabling the attack that Tailer mentioned. Jackson.

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Speaker 22: I think perfectionally lots to call it the dog hopple.

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Speaker 3: Are you, but it's probably more politely and topical.

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Speaker 22: But yeah, a few years back, I was actually traveling

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01:03:01,893 --> 01:03:04,293
Speaker 22: around Australia in a camper van with my partner and

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01:03:04,333 --> 01:03:09,093
Speaker 22: we were staying a house sitting sitting all properties and

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01:03:09,733 --> 01:03:13,733
Speaker 22: farms for people are going to season on holiday, and

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01:03:14,693 --> 01:03:17,173
Speaker 22: she decided a big bit of an entrepreneur that we

1312
01:03:17,173 --> 01:03:20,093
Speaker 22: were looking after a great day at the property and

1313
01:03:20,133 --> 01:03:22,173
Speaker 22: a lot of people were going right Christmas and couldn't

1314
01:03:22,173 --> 01:03:25,013
Speaker 22: find places to look after their pets. So she decided

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01:03:25,053 --> 01:03:29,293
Speaker 22: to put an ad on the Facebook. We've got heaps

1316
01:03:29,293 --> 01:03:31,013
Speaker 22: of room, we'll take your dogs.

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01:03:31,613 --> 01:03:32,173
Speaker 11: And then.

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Speaker 22: She picked up there was a little a young like

1319
01:03:37,173 --> 01:03:41,733
Speaker 22: show colleague, water collie fluffy thing, so if we've ever playdate,

1320
01:03:41,853 --> 01:03:44,053
Speaker 22: So it came around for a playdate and they sniffed

1321
01:03:44,093 --> 01:03:45,893
Speaker 22: each other and it was all good. And next thing,

1322
01:03:45,933 --> 01:03:48,893
Speaker 22: the great Dan has knocked me over, polled out the

1323
01:03:48,933 --> 01:03:53,013
Speaker 22: gate and picked up this poor little water colleague and

1324
01:03:53,733 --> 01:03:57,613
Speaker 22: the woman was in hysterics, and like Matt was saying earlier,

1325
01:03:57,653 --> 01:04:00,653
Speaker 22: with dog behavior, if you know, it wasn't actually going

1326
01:04:00,733 --> 01:04:05,533
Speaker 22: to hurt it, but she was terrified. Petch fighter ran

1327
01:04:05,653 --> 01:04:10,173
Speaker 22: up to it and grabbed its jaws like you said, pull, Paul, No,

1328
01:04:10,573 --> 01:04:12,773
Speaker 22: nothing there. And then I remember the solone told me

1329
01:04:12,813 --> 01:04:16,733
Speaker 22: once what Tyler had said. So it's round to the

1330
01:04:16,773 --> 01:04:24,293
Speaker 22: back ending word immediately and run back straight through the gate.

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01:04:24,373 --> 01:04:25,373
Speaker 22: You know what happened.

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01:04:26,653 --> 01:04:29,533
Speaker 3: And look, if we're all honest here, if we get

1333
01:04:29,613 --> 01:04:31,533
Speaker 3: any sort of you know, if that happens to us,

1334
01:04:31,773 --> 01:04:33,453
Speaker 3: what's the first thing you're going to do. If you're

1335
01:04:33,453 --> 01:04:35,453
Speaker 3: buying anything, you're going to let it go. So what

1336
01:04:35,653 --> 01:04:36,413
Speaker 3: the hell are you doing?

1337
01:04:37,213 --> 01:04:41,333
Speaker 2: Expect yourself no, but that takes two people, doesn't it.

1338
01:04:41,573 --> 01:04:44,293
Speaker 2: You know, when Tyler first.

1339
01:04:44,093 --> 01:04:44,933
Speaker 3: Told the technique.

1340
01:04:44,973 --> 01:04:47,653
Speaker 2: When Tyler first told the technique, I was it's going

1341
01:04:47,693 --> 01:04:49,533
Speaker 2: to be pretty hard to get around the back of

1342
01:04:49,573 --> 01:04:52,573
Speaker 2: a pit Paul to get in the in the midst of.

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01:04:52,613 --> 01:04:54,093
Speaker 3: The fray exactly.

1344
01:04:54,173 --> 01:04:56,933
Speaker 22: Yes, this dog was occupied with the other dogs. I

1345
01:04:56,933 --> 01:04:58,373
Speaker 22: can get around the back m quite easily.

1346
01:04:58,493 --> 01:04:59,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, it does.

1347
01:05:00,093 --> 01:05:01,493
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, when you put it like that, it

1348
01:05:01,573 --> 01:05:04,533
Speaker 2: makes perfect sense the dogs. That's going to confuse the dog,

1349
01:05:04,973 --> 01:05:06,173
Speaker 2: and the dogs were going to want to get out

1350
01:05:06,213 --> 01:05:06,333
Speaker 2: of you.

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01:05:07,813 --> 01:05:08,893
Speaker 22: Yeah, did not like it.

1352
01:05:09,333 --> 01:05:11,093
Speaker 3: Good on your Reagan. I've got a lot of pushback

1353
01:05:11,133 --> 01:05:14,933
Speaker 3: on the John HOPPOWARTI operations, So thank you for becking me.

1354
01:05:16,093 --> 01:05:20,093
Speaker 3: He certainly did to give you a call. Well, Reagan,

1355
01:05:20,173 --> 01:05:21,933
Speaker 3: have a great day. Cheers Reagan. Oh one hundred and

1356
01:05:21,933 --> 01:05:23,973
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call keen to

1357
01:05:24,053 --> 01:05:25,973
Speaker 3: hear from you if you have faced a dog attack

1358
01:05:26,133 --> 01:05:28,293
Speaker 3: or if you know what to do if it does happen.

1359
01:05:28,733 --> 01:05:30,813
Speaker 3: Come on through nineteen nine two text twenty four to

1360
01:05:30,893 --> 01:05:34,213
Speaker 3: three afternoon to you twenty two to two three, and

1361
01:05:34,293 --> 01:05:37,453
Speaker 3: we are talking about dog attacks. After an elderly German couple.

1362
01:05:37,693 --> 01:05:40,093
Speaker 3: We're set upon and they're not happy with how the

1363
01:05:40,173 --> 01:05:41,693
Speaker 3: courts have dealt with it. But can you hear from

1364
01:05:41,693 --> 01:05:43,733
Speaker 3: you if you'll faced a dog attack.

1365
01:05:44,173 --> 01:05:47,293
Speaker 2: Jimmy Carr's best joke from Wednesday night. Someone's texted in.

1366
01:05:47,653 --> 01:05:50,933
Speaker 2: I won't read it out it's too offensive. It's a doozy,

1367
01:05:51,173 --> 01:05:54,173
Speaker 2: hugely funny. Yeah, very very very funny. Jimmy Carr. What

1368
01:05:54,253 --> 01:05:55,933
Speaker 2: a genius is very clear even in the country. I

1369
01:05:55,973 --> 01:05:57,893
Speaker 2: know what a good man to come to New Zealand

1370
01:05:57,973 --> 01:06:00,893
Speaker 2: and go everywhere. Yeah, he's not just doing an Auckland,

1371
01:06:01,773 --> 01:06:04,773
Speaker 2: Wellington and out, you know, he is going everywhere. He's

1372
01:06:04,773 --> 01:06:07,573
Speaker 2: been in Vicargaro, every small town. He's posting on social

1373
01:06:07,653 --> 01:06:11,173
Speaker 2: Mediajimmy Kay's the absolute best of us. He's so incredibly

1374
01:06:11,253 --> 01:06:15,653
Speaker 2: funny but also so smart. I read his book, fantastic

1375
01:06:15,693 --> 01:06:19,973
Speaker 2: book on philosophy, and you know, and and and his

1376
01:06:20,093 --> 01:06:21,653
Speaker 2: life and his career and all that kind of stuff.

1377
01:06:21,693 --> 01:06:22,173
Speaker 3: A great book.

1378
01:06:22,333 --> 01:06:24,373
Speaker 2: But if you ever hear him on a podcast talking

1379
01:06:24,413 --> 01:06:30,373
Speaker 2: about politics, science, humanity, he's one of those guys like

1380
01:06:30,413 --> 01:06:34,693
Speaker 2: Stephen Frye, like a British comedian that's also just more

1381
01:06:34,773 --> 01:06:37,693
Speaker 2: well read than anyone you were ever likely to come across. Yeah,

1382
01:06:38,453 --> 01:06:40,893
Speaker 2: but this joke very lude and very low hanging fruit,

1383
01:06:41,373 --> 01:06:42,053
Speaker 2: but I still love it.

1384
01:06:43,213 --> 01:06:44,733
Speaker 3: Sharon, How are you this afternoon?

1385
01:06:45,973 --> 01:06:46,133
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:06:46,293 --> 01:06:50,373
Speaker 8: Hi, Yeah, So my husband had two dogs set on

1387
01:06:50,493 --> 01:06:54,253
Speaker 8: him up north on the beach and the only thing

1388
01:06:54,333 --> 01:06:57,413
Speaker 8: he said that sort of saved him from probably having

1389
01:06:57,813 --> 01:07:00,093
Speaker 8: really bad barts was just to kick the hell out

1390
01:07:00,093 --> 01:07:06,053
Speaker 8: of Unfortunately that did work. Yeah, they'd definitely work. Was

1391
01:07:06,173 --> 01:07:08,213
Speaker 8: just give them a couple of boots and after thee

1392
01:07:08,453 --> 01:07:11,053
Speaker 8: and a third time then coming back, they eventually realized

1393
01:07:11,093 --> 01:07:13,773
Speaker 8: that they going to get hurt more than anything else.

1394
01:07:13,853 --> 01:07:16,853
Speaker 2: So the dog's pretty intent if they're just coming back

1395
01:07:16,933 --> 01:07:17,613
Speaker 2: and coming back.

1396
01:07:18,213 --> 01:07:20,693
Speaker 8: Yeah, they were. They were intense, but the owners were

1397
01:07:21,133 --> 01:07:23,133
Speaker 8: setting them on and egging them on.

1398
01:07:24,613 --> 01:07:27,093
Speaker 2: How come what was the situation leading up to it?

1399
01:07:27,133 --> 01:07:28,613
Speaker 2: Who sets a dog on a human being?

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01:07:29,213 --> 01:07:32,053
Speaker 8: Yeah, so there was an altercation on the beach and

1401
01:07:32,533 --> 01:07:35,293
Speaker 8: they went to sort it out, and the obviously maybe

1402
01:07:35,333 --> 01:07:38,373
Speaker 8: the locals then take too kindly to it, and yeah,

1403
01:07:38,373 --> 01:07:41,813
Speaker 8: I just set the dogs on them, two dogs. They

1404
01:07:41,933 --> 01:07:45,213
Speaker 8: did report it, but yeah, the crops were closing. I

1405
01:07:45,293 --> 01:07:48,013
Speaker 8: think the police station was closing at eight. They said

1406
01:07:48,013 --> 01:07:50,813
Speaker 8: they're looking to the next day, so you know.

1407
01:07:50,813 --> 01:07:51,533
Speaker 3: If they looked into it.

1408
01:07:52,773 --> 01:07:56,933
Speaker 2: I don't know anyone that's anyone that's setting dogs on people,

1409
01:07:57,533 --> 01:08:00,933
Speaker 2: is doing a lot of other incredibly bad stuff, you know,

1410
01:08:01,053 --> 01:08:03,413
Speaker 2: that is that is pure, pure evil.

1411
01:08:04,573 --> 01:08:07,413
Speaker 8: And especially after they came the first time and he

1412
01:08:07,533 --> 01:08:09,813
Speaker 8: kicked them and he was like, guys like, honestly, this

1413
01:08:10,013 --> 01:08:11,933
Speaker 8: is your dogs are going to get hurt. That this

1414
01:08:12,133 --> 01:08:14,373
Speaker 8: is enough, and they kept just setting them back on them,

1415
01:08:14,413 --> 01:08:15,253
Speaker 8: back on them, two of them.

1416
01:08:16,133 --> 01:08:17,093
Speaker 2: What's scumbags?

1417
01:08:17,412 --> 01:08:19,973
Speaker 3: So so who was this your husband?

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01:08:20,013 --> 01:08:20,412
Speaker 1: Did you say?

1419
01:08:20,893 --> 01:08:21,053
Speaker 8: Yes?

1420
01:08:21,213 --> 01:08:21,412
Speaker 11: Yeah?

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01:08:21,492 --> 01:08:22,572
Speaker 8: Him and the mate yep, so.

1422
01:08:22,853 --> 01:08:25,253
Speaker 2: Is your husband sort of a I know, how do

1423
01:08:25,333 --> 01:08:26,213
Speaker 2: I put this tough guy?

1424
01:08:27,452 --> 01:08:27,652
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1425
01:08:28,173 --> 01:08:30,812
Speaker 8: Yeah, The dogs definitely came a second there. But I

1426
01:08:30,893 --> 01:08:33,093
Speaker 8: think in any sort of attack like that, it's you

1427
01:08:33,253 --> 01:08:35,692
Speaker 8: just got to keep them away from you, keep your distance.

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01:08:36,093 --> 01:08:39,572
Speaker 8: They were they big dogs, sort of Staffy size.

1429
01:08:39,772 --> 01:08:43,093
Speaker 3: Oh yeah that's strong. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but you've

1430
01:08:43,093 --> 01:08:44,692
Speaker 3: got to put your You've got to put your all

1431
01:08:44,772 --> 01:08:46,652
Speaker 3: into the cack though, don't you. Because the thing about

1432
01:08:46,732 --> 01:08:50,533
Speaker 3: a lot of dogs like Staffy's, they're pretty solid individuals,

1433
01:08:50,652 --> 01:08:52,852
Speaker 3: as in, you know, you can you can whack them

1434
01:08:52,893 --> 01:08:55,412
Speaker 3: around and they it's almost like they don't feel pain

1435
01:08:55,532 --> 01:08:58,932
Speaker 3: or something. They just keep going and going and the same.

1436
01:08:59,333 --> 01:09:03,293
Speaker 8: Yeah, we had a bulteraria growing up and he was

1437
01:09:03,372 --> 01:09:06,852
Speaker 8: literally just I think it was mindsets. I mean we

1438
01:09:06,893 --> 01:09:09,412
Speaker 8: had little fireworks and he would literally run after them

1439
01:09:09,452 --> 01:09:11,572
Speaker 8: and eat them. You know, there's some of them that

1440
01:09:11,652 --> 01:09:12,492
Speaker 8: are just not running.

1441
01:09:13,772 --> 01:09:15,812
Speaker 2: There are some dogs that come out and they're just

1442
01:09:15,893 --> 01:09:17,973
Speaker 2: more on, absolutely more on.

1443
01:09:19,812 --> 01:09:21,812
Speaker 3: You love them for it. Sometimes you love them more

1444
01:09:21,853 --> 01:09:22,053
Speaker 3: for it.

1445
01:09:22,532 --> 01:09:23,772
Speaker 2: But you know, if you if you're going to be

1446
01:09:23,853 --> 01:09:26,652
Speaker 2: kicking a dog like your husband had to, yeah, I

1447
01:09:26,692 --> 01:09:29,812
Speaker 2: mean you want to have boots on and if you've

1448
01:09:29,893 --> 01:09:32,293
Speaker 2: just got your your jendles on jandles on.

1449
01:09:32,933 --> 01:09:36,333
Speaker 8: And that was that was after had already bitten somebody else.

1450
01:09:36,692 --> 01:09:38,852
Speaker 8: And that's where the altercation started, was the dog had

1451
01:09:38,853 --> 01:09:41,412
Speaker 8: already bitten someone and they were like, guys, you know

1452
01:09:41,452 --> 01:09:43,412
Speaker 8: what I mean, this is not on. And then it's

1453
01:09:43,492 --> 01:09:47,173
Speaker 8: just you know, into customs from there. But to I mean,

1454
01:09:47,412 --> 01:09:49,612
Speaker 8: what's the difference of setting a dog on someone or

1455
01:09:49,652 --> 01:09:50,572
Speaker 8: pulling an off on someone?

1456
01:09:50,772 --> 01:09:51,492
Speaker 3: Exactly? Nothing?

1457
01:09:51,652 --> 01:09:55,093
Speaker 8: Ye yeah, there to do the intense is there to

1458
01:09:55,133 --> 01:09:57,452
Speaker 8: do harm either way, whether it's through a weapon or

1459
01:09:58,412 --> 01:10:00,852
Speaker 8: your pet dog, I suppose yeah.

1460
01:10:00,893 --> 01:10:02,933
Speaker 2: And also the other thing is you don't love your

1461
01:10:02,973 --> 01:10:04,692
Speaker 2: dog if you're doing that, because your dog will get

1462
01:10:04,692 --> 01:10:08,932
Speaker 2: put down, you know, so you're not only you being

1463
01:10:09,013 --> 01:10:12,333
Speaker 2: an absolute psychopath to a human, you're you're putting your

1464
01:10:12,372 --> 01:10:14,812
Speaker 2: dogs in mortal danger and both from the person that

1465
01:10:14,853 --> 01:10:17,372
Speaker 2: you're sending them at and also authorities will come around

1466
01:10:17,372 --> 01:10:20,732
Speaker 2: and put your dog down and rightly. So yeah, yeah, hey,

1467
01:10:20,772 --> 01:10:22,612
Speaker 2: thanks for you, cal Sharon. Sorry, sorry that happened to

1468
01:10:22,652 --> 01:10:26,053
Speaker 2: your son, but your your husband. But sound sounds like

1469
01:10:26,133 --> 01:10:28,093
Speaker 2: it's a kind of tough guy that can bounce back

1470
01:10:28,133 --> 01:10:29,333
Speaker 2: from something like that pretty quickly.

1471
01:10:29,652 --> 01:10:30,692
Speaker 8: No, it absolutely is.

1472
01:10:31,253 --> 01:10:33,013
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, thanks for giving us a call. Oh, one

1473
01:10:33,093 --> 01:10:35,253
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

1474
01:10:35,333 --> 01:10:36,732
Speaker 3: love to hear from you if you want to senn

1475
01:10:36,732 --> 01:10:38,972
Speaker 3: a text, You're more than welcome. Nine to ninety two

1476
01:10:39,213 --> 01:10:39,892
Speaker 3: is that number.

1477
01:10:40,053 --> 01:10:42,772
Speaker 2: The sixth is Chiuaas have short Man syndrome and are

1478
01:10:43,013 --> 01:10:44,133
Speaker 2: just angry at the world.

1479
01:10:44,492 --> 01:10:45,092
Speaker 3: Cheers Willie.

1480
01:10:45,253 --> 01:10:48,692
Speaker 2: Yes, cats are dumb, says that texter. Yeah, Chiuahas are

1481
01:10:48,853 --> 01:10:52,772
Speaker 2: the fourth most likely dog to attack a human that

1482
01:10:53,013 --> 01:10:57,452
Speaker 2: Matt but of course little obviously an attack from a

1483
01:10:57,532 --> 01:11:02,812
Speaker 2: chiuahua whilst well, attacks from chuahas are frequent and more

1484
01:11:02,853 --> 01:11:05,173
Speaker 2: frequent than attack from a German shepherd, which is next

1485
01:11:05,173 --> 01:11:05,692
Speaker 2: down the list.

1486
01:11:05,973 --> 01:11:08,253
Speaker 3: German shepherds are the fifth most likely dog to attack here.

1487
01:11:08,652 --> 01:11:11,973
Speaker 2: Right, according to these recent stats, I'm going to go

1488
01:11:12,173 --> 01:11:15,492
Speaker 2: for an hour of being attacked by a Chuahua over

1489
01:11:16,652 --> 01:11:18,652
Speaker 2: ten seconds of being attacked by a German sheppard.

1490
01:11:18,732 --> 01:11:21,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, would you boot at chihuahua? You could boot them

1491
01:11:21,013 --> 01:11:22,612
Speaker 3: a long way. I've always wondered.

1492
01:11:23,093 --> 01:11:26,972
Speaker 2: I reckon three nibbles and then drop kick it over

1493
01:11:27,652 --> 01:11:28,253
Speaker 2: over a fence.

1494
01:11:28,372 --> 01:11:30,852
Speaker 3: That's fair. It is sixteen to three bait. Shortly.

1495
01:11:31,372 --> 01:11:34,772
Speaker 1: It's a fresh take on talkback. It's Matt Heathen Taylor

1496
01:11:34,812 --> 01:11:38,732
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons have your say on eight hundred eighty eight

1497
01:11:38,973 --> 01:11:39,732
Speaker 1: US talks the b.

1498
01:11:39,973 --> 01:11:41,972
Speaker 3: For a good afternoon. She It is thirteen to three

1499
01:11:42,013 --> 01:11:44,572
Speaker 3: and we are talking about dog attacks and love to

1500
01:11:44,612 --> 01:11:46,532
Speaker 3: hear from you if you've been on the receiving end,

1501
01:11:46,732 --> 01:11:48,892
Speaker 3: or if you think you know what to do if

1502
01:11:48,933 --> 01:11:50,932
Speaker 3: you are ever set upon by a dog. Oh, one

1503
01:11:51,013 --> 01:11:52,532
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.

1504
01:11:52,853 --> 01:11:54,692
Speaker 2: There's so many people that are saying this, but I

1505
01:11:54,812 --> 01:11:58,333
Speaker 2: just can't believe that it's right. Resavage dog attacks if

1506
01:11:58,372 --> 01:12:01,093
Speaker 2: you forcefully pull a dog's front legs sideways at right

1507
01:12:01,173 --> 01:12:05,892
Speaker 2: angles to its ribcage chess. The chest dislocation break will

1508
01:12:05,893 --> 01:12:09,093
Speaker 2: most likely puncture the lung and probably hard. If only

1509
01:12:09,173 --> 01:12:11,612
Speaker 2: the dog's leg is broken dislcated, it will be enough

1510
01:12:11,652 --> 01:12:15,452
Speaker 2: to test the the attack from a dog lover. Yeah,

1511
01:12:15,452 --> 01:12:18,732
Speaker 2: but I just don't see the situation where that could happen.

1512
01:12:19,013 --> 01:12:21,092
Speaker 2: I mean, that would only be if it was already

1513
01:12:21,173 --> 01:12:21,932
Speaker 2: mouling your face.

1514
01:12:22,093 --> 01:12:24,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty hard to flip them over.

1515
01:12:24,333 --> 01:12:27,333
Speaker 2: And yeah, like if it's if it's an eagle, let's

1516
01:12:27,333 --> 01:12:30,572
Speaker 2: say it's mauling your legs. Yeah, and you reach down

1517
01:12:30,692 --> 01:12:33,652
Speaker 2: to move its legs, flip them over. Then if you

1518
01:12:33,732 --> 01:12:36,133
Speaker 2: get if that's a precise movement or else, you're just

1519
01:12:36,173 --> 01:12:38,492
Speaker 2: going to get your face mall. Yeah, if it's molling

1520
01:12:38,572 --> 01:12:41,532
Speaker 2: your face, then yeah, Su're go for it. Yes, exactly

1521
01:12:42,692 --> 01:12:45,892
Speaker 2: nine two is the text number. But let's go to Mike.

1522
01:12:46,253 --> 01:12:46,772
Speaker 3: You know, Mike.

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Speaker 13: Good, Hey, guys, how are we doing?

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Speaker 3: Very good? You've got four German shiverards.

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01:12:51,772 --> 01:12:54,252
Speaker 13: I've got four I've had I've had lots of shepherds

1526
01:12:54,293 --> 01:12:56,932
Speaker 13: over the years, and I have them because they already

1527
01:12:57,013 --> 01:13:01,452
Speaker 13: come out half trained. They are unbelievably protective. So I

1528
01:13:02,333 --> 01:13:05,053
Speaker 13: live on a lifestyle block in Drury, and so the

1529
01:13:05,133 --> 01:13:08,293
Speaker 13: four dogs are there for a reason. They're well trained.

1530
01:13:08,452 --> 01:13:10,452
Speaker 13: I have collars on them to stop them getting out

1531
01:13:10,492 --> 01:13:13,133
Speaker 13: of the properties. It's called an infinity fence, I think.

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01:13:13,732 --> 01:13:18,293
Speaker 13: So I'm incredibly responsible with them, and I find that.

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01:13:18,893 --> 01:13:21,293
Speaker 13: I mean, people that are going to steal from you

1534
01:13:21,452 --> 01:13:24,092
Speaker 13: aren't frightened of alarms, and they're not frightened of cameras.

1535
01:13:24,853 --> 01:13:27,972
Speaker 13: But the old shepherd, they're frightened of them, and likely

1536
01:13:28,093 --> 01:13:31,652
Speaker 13: they'll have bumped into them before had But alls I

1537
01:13:31,692 --> 01:13:34,533
Speaker 13: can say is it's about the owner. It's not necessarily

1538
01:13:34,572 --> 01:13:37,012
Speaker 13: about the dog. I know there's some dogs that belong

1539
01:13:37,093 --> 01:13:39,572
Speaker 13: in the naughty box that they should never have been bred,

1540
01:13:40,093 --> 01:13:41,973
Speaker 13: But in the main it's about the owners. If an

1541
01:13:42,013 --> 01:13:44,372
Speaker 13: owner is happy to let their dog walk around without

1542
01:13:44,452 --> 01:13:47,253
Speaker 13: colors and without being chipped and all the rest of it,

1543
01:13:47,412 --> 01:13:50,252
Speaker 13: you know, then it's an accident waiting to happen.

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01:13:50,093 --> 01:13:50,333
Speaker 11: Isn't it.

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01:13:50,732 --> 01:13:53,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe would have noticed about German shepherds others. It's

1546
01:13:53,133 --> 01:13:55,492
Speaker 3: just anek Google, Mike. But I think even dogs are

1547
01:13:55,492 --> 01:13:58,372
Speaker 3: a little bit cautious of German shepherds. There's something about

1548
01:13:58,372 --> 01:14:01,692
Speaker 3: their mannerisms. They don't muck around, you know. They they're

1549
01:14:01,692 --> 01:14:04,053
Speaker 3: the big boys on the block, so to speak. That

1550
01:14:04,213 --> 01:14:06,532
Speaker 3: if they do go, you're going to be in trouble.

1551
01:14:07,253 --> 01:14:09,972
Speaker 13: I've never I've never had one even look like they're

1552
01:14:09,973 --> 01:14:12,572
Speaker 13: going to turn on me or any member of my family.

1553
01:14:12,933 --> 01:14:15,813
Speaker 13: But I will tell you this, there is no misunderstandings

1554
01:14:15,893 --> 01:14:16,532
Speaker 13: in my house.

1555
01:14:16,692 --> 01:14:17,652
Speaker 22: I'm the boss and.

1556
01:14:19,133 --> 01:14:21,213
Speaker 13: They I don't let them into the house. I don't

1557
01:14:21,412 --> 01:14:24,053
Speaker 13: that they're not pets. They are there to do a job,

1558
01:14:24,213 --> 01:14:27,133
Speaker 13: and that the job they do. My end of the

1559
01:14:27,173 --> 01:14:29,452
Speaker 13: deal is to feed them, play with them, and train them.

1560
01:14:29,933 --> 01:14:31,492
Speaker 13: Their end of the deal is to make sure that

1561
01:14:31,612 --> 01:14:35,812
Speaker 13: nobody nobody comes in. We've had two events in ten

1562
01:14:35,933 --> 01:14:40,532
Speaker 13: years I've lived there, and the Shepherds dealt with both events.

1563
01:14:42,053 --> 01:14:42,452
Speaker 22: With ease.

1564
01:14:42,652 --> 01:14:44,772
Speaker 3: What happened that they did them?

1565
01:14:44,933 --> 01:14:47,253
Speaker 13: We had we had two guys turn up at two

1566
01:14:47,293 --> 01:14:49,173
Speaker 13: o'clock in the morning that wanted to relieve me of

1567
01:14:49,253 --> 01:14:54,652
Speaker 13: my ute. But the dog in question, she's no longer

1568
01:14:54,692 --> 01:14:56,492
Speaker 13: with us. I only had one one at the time.

1569
01:14:57,013 --> 01:14:58,892
Speaker 13: She went outside and dealt to the pair of them,

1570
01:14:59,013 --> 01:15:01,013
Speaker 13: and I'm still waiting for the police to turn up.

1571
01:15:01,013 --> 01:15:05,052
Speaker 13: That was eight years ago. And then The second event

1572
01:15:05,293 --> 01:15:07,972
Speaker 13: was somebody turned up at the house at two o'clock

1573
01:15:07,973 --> 01:15:10,852
Speaker 13: in the month morning wanting to know we had any

1574
01:15:10,853 --> 01:15:13,173
Speaker 13: spare petrol, like like you know, like we would do

1575
01:15:13,253 --> 01:15:15,492
Speaker 13: at two o'clock in the morning. And the dog at

1576
01:15:15,532 --> 01:15:19,692
Speaker 13: the door was enough to make those guys disappear.

1577
01:15:20,333 --> 01:15:23,492
Speaker 3: Yeah right, And even of the DoD they get ripped apart,

1578
01:15:23,572 --> 01:15:25,452
Speaker 3: wasn't quite bad or you managed to call off the dog.

1579
01:15:26,452 --> 01:15:28,293
Speaker 13: One of the guys was quick enough to get over

1580
01:15:28,372 --> 01:15:31,732
Speaker 13: the wooden fence, one of the guys wasn't. And well,

1581
01:15:31,772 --> 01:15:33,692
Speaker 13: all as I will tell you is there was a

1582
01:15:33,772 --> 01:15:35,772
Speaker 13: trail of blood and half his trouser leg.

1583
01:15:36,253 --> 01:15:38,253
Speaker 22: On the yard in the morning. And I've never heard

1584
01:15:38,293 --> 01:15:38,932
Speaker 22: anything since.

1585
01:15:40,053 --> 01:15:40,532
Speaker 3: It's fun.

1586
01:15:40,732 --> 01:15:41,532
Speaker 13: Didn't go outside.

1587
01:15:41,692 --> 01:15:43,652
Speaker 22: I didn't go outside, Mike.

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01:15:44,732 --> 01:15:46,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just going to say thank you very

1589
01:15:46,492 --> 01:15:49,172
Speaker 3: much for giving us a buzz. But for German shepherds

1590
01:15:49,173 --> 01:15:50,412
Speaker 3: that will certainly pre teach your property.

1591
01:15:51,133 --> 01:15:52,452
Speaker 13: Yeah, oh yeah, they're good, good as dog. But I

1592
01:15:52,492 --> 01:15:55,933
Speaker 13: appreciate your time and great great subject, guys, great subject.

1593
01:15:55,612 --> 01:15:56,173
Speaker 3: Good on your mic.

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01:15:56,213 --> 01:16:01,133
Speaker 2: Thanks for your call, Mike, h this person see high guys. Hi, guys,

1595
01:16:01,173 --> 01:16:04,732
Speaker 2: I hadn't Auntie with the psycho Chihuahua that detect your feet,

1596
01:16:04,812 --> 01:16:09,093
Speaker 2: so I never visited her her ever ever again. Chihuahuas

1597
01:16:09,133 --> 01:16:12,492
Speaker 2: being the fourth most likely dog to attack you. Type

1598
01:16:12,492 --> 01:16:15,693
Speaker 2: of dog to attack you after pitball types, terriers, shitsu's,

1599
01:16:16,293 --> 01:16:21,892
Speaker 2: chuah WA's, then German shepherds, Labradors, poodles, bulldog, husky, Maltese.

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Speaker 3: Shall I continue?

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01:16:22,732 --> 01:16:22,932
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1602
01:16:22,933 --> 01:16:25,972
Speaker 3: Please go rot Wheeler so rot Wheeler is blower Husky.

1603
01:16:26,572 --> 01:16:31,812
Speaker 2: I love a husky, Beagle, Spaniel, beagle, beagle, nasty old

1604
01:16:31,853 --> 01:16:42,372
Speaker 2: beagle versus bustards, love a good sniff, Beagles, boxer, dashned, Pomeranian, mastiff, Collie, corgy, Pug, Dubman, pincher,

1605
01:16:42,532 --> 01:16:44,293
Speaker 2: Beshon Freeze, Kevalier King Charles.

1606
01:16:44,333 --> 01:16:45,772
Speaker 3: This is the top twenty five, but.

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01:16:45,973 --> 01:16:48,652
Speaker 2: Essentially, if you look at the stats, a pitball type

1608
01:16:48,692 --> 01:16:51,692
Speaker 2: dog is fifteen times the base level, and they've put

1609
01:16:51,732 --> 01:16:53,133
Speaker 2: the base level at a Maltese, which is.

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01:16:53,133 --> 01:16:53,932
Speaker 3: A pretty calm dog.

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01:16:54,732 --> 01:17:00,052
Speaker 2: So basically, anything below a Maltese, your Beagles, Spaniels, retrievers, boxes, Dashns, Pomeranians, mastiffs, collies,

1612
01:17:00,093 --> 01:17:03,652
Speaker 2: co Coopis, pugs, Beshon Freeze, and Cavalier Ken Charles basically

1613
01:17:03,692 --> 01:17:04,213
Speaker 2: by no one.

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01:17:04,293 --> 01:17:07,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're good, good, dogs basically no one ever. Yeah,

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01:17:07,372 --> 01:17:08,213
Speaker 3: and the bull.

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01:17:08,333 --> 01:17:11,132
Speaker 2: But if you look at the graph the pitbull type dogs,

1617
01:17:11,293 --> 01:17:14,612
Speaker 2: it's the whole graph. If this was a city, that

1618
01:17:14,652 --> 01:17:16,933
Speaker 2: would be the Empire State Building and everyone else is

1619
01:17:17,013 --> 01:17:18,773
Speaker 2: living in single level dwellings.

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01:17:18,412 --> 01:17:20,412
Speaker 3: Of different sites. That's a great way to put it

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01:17:20,853 --> 01:17:24,333
Speaker 3: right back. Very shortly. It is seven to three the

1622
01:17:24,452 --> 01:17:24,973
Speaker 3: issues that.

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01:17:25,093 --> 01:17:27,333
Speaker 1: Affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

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01:17:27,612 --> 01:17:30,412
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talk ZEDB News Talk zed B. It is five to

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Speaker 3: three quick text here, Kay, guys, friend served in the sas,

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Speaker 3: survived a lot. When he returned, he was set upon

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Speaker 3: by a particular dog, stitches all over his hand. True story.

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01:17:48,492 --> 01:17:52,053
Speaker 2: Have just been investigating and researching what to do if

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01:17:52,093 --> 01:17:54,572
Speaker 2: a dog attacks you, because I think some news you

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01:17:54,652 --> 01:17:57,372
Speaker 2: could use would be handled andy after this hour of

1632
01:17:57,372 --> 01:18:01,132
Speaker 2: talking about dog attack, yes, and so I'm just collating

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01:18:01,213 --> 01:18:04,732
Speaker 2: it with the experts to bring it together just after

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01:18:04,812 --> 01:18:06,652
Speaker 2: the news with what you should do.

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01:18:07,173 --> 01:18:08,253
Speaker 3: For big dog attacks here.

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01:18:08,333 --> 01:18:11,972
Speaker 2: Okay, brilliant, it's the official word yeap okay from the experts.

1637
01:18:12,053 --> 01:18:15,293
Speaker 3: This is important. Stay tuned for that our new sport

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01:18:15,372 --> 01:18:18,092
Speaker 3: and weather is fast approaching. Stay right here you listening

1639
01:18:18,173 --> 01:18:25,093
Speaker 3: to matt and Tyler. Hope you're having a great Friday afternoon. Doctors,

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01:18:32,732 --> 01:18:41,133
Speaker 3: Doctor passive you a little boot, so i'll give it

1641
01:18:41,412 --> 01:18:41,772
Speaker 3: what you do.

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01:18:41,933 --> 01:18:45,052
Speaker 2: Say girl, you're a little tooth saying are you student

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Speaker 2: at satellite took?

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Speaker 4: Girl?

1645
01:18:47,412 --> 01:18:50,452
Speaker 3: Tell him I'm telling him, I'm tell him you follows something.

1646
01:18:51,572 --> 01:18:54,492
Speaker 5: Tell him I'm telling him, I'm telling you follow something.

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01:18:54,812 --> 01:18:55,852
Speaker 5: Cost Note.

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Speaker 1: Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

1649
01:19:01,973 --> 01:19:05,053
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1650
01:19:05,173 --> 01:19:08,012
Speaker 3: Sabby, very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.

1651
01:19:08,133 --> 01:19:11,892
Speaker 3: So pass three and just to remind if there's any

1652
01:19:11,933 --> 01:19:14,692
Speaker 3: developing or breaking news out of the Mount mong and

1653
01:19:14,732 --> 01:19:17,612
Speaker 3: Nui search and rescue operation, we will bring it to

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Speaker 3: you as soon as we have it.

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01:19:19,933 --> 01:19:22,173
Speaker 2: Shall we put these dogs to bid? Yes, we've been

1656
01:19:22,173 --> 01:19:24,973
Speaker 2: talking about the dog attacks. After the horrible attack on

1657
01:19:25,412 --> 01:19:29,133
Speaker 2: the German couple. What were they seventy nine and eighty yep,

1658
01:19:29,253 --> 01:19:33,852
Speaker 2: seventy fours and seventy four and eighty German tourists were

1659
01:19:33,893 --> 01:19:37,612
Speaker 2: attacked by a dog. But the terrible dog owners didn't

1660
01:19:37,692 --> 01:19:40,732
Speaker 2: haven't paid their fine, didn't turn up, did they? By

1661
01:19:40,812 --> 01:19:42,972
Speaker 2: the bye before we put that to bid, I've been

1662
01:19:43,093 --> 01:19:47,892
Speaker 2: collating because it's quite complicated, actually, the advice on dog attacks,

1663
01:19:47,973 --> 01:19:50,173
Speaker 2: because people don't necessarily want to give that advice because

1664
01:19:50,213 --> 01:19:53,532
Speaker 2: it's different in every situation and depending on the dogs.

1665
01:19:53,612 --> 01:19:54,093
Speaker 3: Right yep.

1666
01:19:54,333 --> 01:19:57,452
Speaker 2: So across a bunch of different things I've read, these

1667
01:19:57,452 --> 01:19:59,532
Speaker 2: are the ones that people seem to all agree on. Okay,

1668
01:19:59,612 --> 01:20:02,852
Speaker 2: good if a big dog is attacking you, right, stay calm.

1669
01:20:03,013 --> 01:20:05,532
Speaker 2: I mean that kind of advice is great, but you know,

1670
01:20:05,973 --> 01:20:07,452
Speaker 2: hard to do. We'd like to stake out, all of

1671
01:20:07,532 --> 01:20:09,972
Speaker 2: us would like to stay out, cram and difficult situations,

1672
01:20:09,973 --> 01:20:11,532
Speaker 2: wouldn't We do.

1673
01:20:11,652 --> 01:20:15,293
Speaker 3: Not panic, That's as you said, But it looks like steak.

1674
01:20:15,053 --> 01:20:17,572
Speaker 2: Calm is the most important rule across everything because you know,

1675
01:20:17,692 --> 01:20:21,333
Speaker 2: you're screaming and your sudden movements and panic and stuff

1676
01:20:22,452 --> 01:20:26,372
Speaker 2: escalates a dog's arousal and it gets more bity. Okay,

1677
01:20:26,532 --> 01:20:30,093
Speaker 2: if you start this, the panic transfers onto the dog.

1678
01:20:30,572 --> 01:20:33,692
Speaker 2: So if you can stay calm, do not run because

1679
01:20:34,452 --> 01:20:36,412
Speaker 2: the running triggers the dogs chase instinct.

1680
01:20:36,492 --> 01:20:36,692
Speaker 7: Yep.

1681
01:20:36,732 --> 01:20:37,372
Speaker 3: They love a chase.

1682
01:20:37,492 --> 01:20:40,452
Speaker 2: They love chasing. You know, they're evolved to chase down prey,

1683
01:20:42,133 --> 01:20:44,692
Speaker 2: even and even in the dogs that were planning to

1684
01:20:44,732 --> 01:20:47,253
Speaker 2: bite you. They can if you start running away, change

1685
01:20:47,293 --> 01:20:48,692
Speaker 2: to a biting mindset.

1686
01:20:50,253 --> 01:20:54,133
Speaker 3: Stand still like a tree. Okay, stand still like a tree.

1687
01:20:54,253 --> 01:20:56,572
Speaker 2: It's his face, the dog, But don't look at the dog.

1688
01:20:58,253 --> 01:21:01,173
Speaker 2: Stop moving, keep arms folded and still. Most dogs bark

1689
01:21:01,253 --> 01:21:03,093
Speaker 2: or growl to scare you away.

1690
01:21:03,053 --> 01:21:05,772
Speaker 3: Not to attack, So avert the eyes, but stand still. Yes,

1691
01:21:05,853 --> 01:21:09,652
Speaker 3: so cross your arms, stand still and don't look. Don't

1692
01:21:09,692 --> 01:21:12,213
Speaker 3: look directly into the dog's eyes. So look away. Yep.

1693
01:21:12,372 --> 01:21:15,093
Speaker 2: So you're calm, you're not running, and you're standing still

1694
01:21:15,173 --> 01:21:19,452
Speaker 2: like a street, a tree with your arms folded. If

1695
01:21:19,492 --> 01:21:21,572
Speaker 2: the dog bites, let the dog disengage. Once you stop,

1696
01:21:21,652 --> 01:21:24,572
Speaker 2: many dogs lose interest and back away. You can then

1697
01:21:24,612 --> 01:21:25,772
Speaker 2: slowly back away yourself.

1698
01:21:26,612 --> 01:21:29,333
Speaker 3: So I hang on, how does that work? So attaches

1699
01:21:29,333 --> 01:21:31,612
Speaker 3: to your to your arm, and then you just let

1700
01:21:31,692 --> 01:21:32,812
Speaker 3: it have a we nibble.

1701
01:21:33,053 --> 01:21:35,932
Speaker 2: Don't engage, you know, And I think by disengage they

1702
01:21:35,973 --> 01:21:40,293
Speaker 2: mean here, this is pre bite. Let the dog disengage

1703
01:21:40,333 --> 01:21:41,852
Speaker 2: from the confrontation, got cha.

1704
01:21:42,093 --> 01:21:42,692
Speaker 1: Yep, you know.

1705
01:21:42,732 --> 01:21:47,253
Speaker 2: Avoid yelling, waving arms, and swinging objects. And most bites

1706
01:21:47,293 --> 01:21:49,253
Speaker 2: are fear based. So dogs dogs off and bite and

1707
01:21:49,412 --> 01:21:51,852
Speaker 2: reaction to a human's panic response. Not not because they

1708
01:21:51,893 --> 01:21:53,532
Speaker 2: intended to attack initially.

1709
01:21:53,253 --> 01:21:57,053
Speaker 3: Yep, which is interesting. If jumped on, so this is

1710
01:21:57,133 --> 01:21:57,652
Speaker 3: moving on to there.

1711
01:21:57,652 --> 01:22:00,372
Speaker 2: If you're actually being jumped on, protect your face.

1712
01:22:01,053 --> 01:22:04,692
Speaker 3: Turn your back, stay calm. So you got it.

1713
01:22:05,253 --> 01:22:08,772
Speaker 2: You've got a massive pitball football more all of you.

1714
01:22:09,333 --> 01:22:12,732
Speaker 2: Stay calm, steay, calm, stay calm at least a pear calm,

1715
01:22:13,933 --> 01:22:15,892
Speaker 2: and avoid eye contact or flailing.

1716
01:22:16,013 --> 01:22:18,812
Speaker 3: Okay, so turn the back, protect your face.

1717
01:22:19,053 --> 01:22:22,213
Speaker 2: So you have to act like you don't care, like

1718
01:22:22,333 --> 01:22:25,173
Speaker 2: you can't you're strong and powerful without looking them in

1719
01:22:25,933 --> 01:22:28,133
Speaker 2: the eyes, just to act aloof if not to the

1720
01:22:28,213 --> 01:22:29,932
Speaker 2: ground though, curl into a ball.

1721
01:22:30,692 --> 01:22:31,093
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

1722
01:22:31,333 --> 01:22:35,372
Speaker 2: Protect the extremities, hedgehog, yeap, hedgehog. Yourself needs be hands

1723
01:22:35,412 --> 01:22:38,213
Speaker 2: protecting the back of your neck. Stay as still as possible.

1724
01:22:38,253 --> 01:22:39,052
Speaker 3: Okay, makes sense.

1725
01:22:42,412 --> 01:22:45,732
Speaker 2: Use if you can at all, use a barrier, you know,

1726
01:22:45,973 --> 01:22:52,213
Speaker 2: an umbrella or a jacket, a rubbish spin yep, a seat,

1727
01:22:53,093 --> 01:22:55,053
Speaker 2: anything that you can get behind without running. So I

1728
01:22:55,093 --> 01:23:00,333
Speaker 2: guess I mean that's complicated. You got to run, stay calm.

1729
01:23:00,572 --> 01:23:02,372
Speaker 2: You're trying to be like a tree, but also at

1730
01:23:02,372 --> 01:23:03,372
Speaker 2: the same time trying.

1731
01:23:03,213 --> 01:23:06,053
Speaker 3: To slowly grab something to act as a barrier. No

1732
01:23:06,213 --> 01:23:09,053
Speaker 3: sudden movements to slowly pick up. But I meg.

1733
01:23:09,372 --> 01:23:12,572
Speaker 2: I imagine if you've got a nasty a hole dog

1734
01:23:12,652 --> 01:23:14,412
Speaker 2: that's attacking you and you start hitting it around the

1735
01:23:14,452 --> 01:23:16,652
Speaker 2: head with an umbrella, the dog's going to gain noth Thanks,

1736
01:23:16,692 --> 01:23:17,412
Speaker 2: it's not gonna like that.

1737
01:23:17,692 --> 01:23:19,013
Speaker 3: I don't like being hit. I don't really want to

1738
01:23:19,013 --> 01:23:21,213
Speaker 3: be hit around there, the same with my time. You know,

1739
01:23:21,253 --> 01:23:23,532
Speaker 3: I didn't turn up for this. This isn't what I

1740
01:23:23,612 --> 01:23:25,612
Speaker 3: signed up for. I just wanted to maul this person.

1741
01:23:27,013 --> 01:23:29,133
Speaker 2: I mean, this is I read this across a number

1742
01:23:29,133 --> 01:23:31,053
Speaker 2: of places when I was researching it. Pepper spray it.

1743
01:23:31,333 --> 01:23:33,452
Speaker 2: I mean, that's good if you've got pepper spray. Yeah,

1744
01:23:33,532 --> 01:23:35,173
Speaker 2: but I don't know about you. But I'm not caring purpers.

1745
01:23:35,173 --> 01:23:36,372
Speaker 3: But I don't even know where you buy it. Can

1746
01:23:36,412 --> 01:23:38,173
Speaker 3: you buy it? It's kind of like saying, if you've

1747
01:23:38,173 --> 01:23:40,532
Speaker 3: got a taser, just use the taser. Yeah, good advice

1748
01:23:40,532 --> 01:23:41,173
Speaker 3: if you got one.

1749
01:23:41,293 --> 01:23:43,893
Speaker 2: And remember that most charging dogs aren't trying to buy it.

1750
01:23:44,652 --> 01:23:48,572
Speaker 2: Be calm, non reactive if you can. That dramatically reduces risk.

1751
01:23:48,692 --> 01:23:52,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. So that does surprise me that nothing

1752
01:23:52,293 --> 01:23:55,653
Speaker 3: in the official advice hears anything about the finger operation.

1753
01:23:55,973 --> 01:23:58,572
Speaker 2: There's your official advice that you gave out on news talks.

1754
01:23:58,572 --> 01:24:02,893
Speaker 2: He'd be was the inserting of the finger into the

1755
01:24:03,053 --> 01:24:06,253
Speaker 2: dog's prostate prostate if you can get there for anos.

1756
01:24:06,452 --> 01:24:07,612
Speaker 3: Yep, doesn't.

1757
01:24:07,732 --> 01:24:11,052
Speaker 2: It's strangely and all my research across all these sites,

1758
01:24:11,053 --> 01:24:12,852
Speaker 2: I couldn't find anyone else that was backing that.

1759
01:24:13,133 --> 01:24:15,093
Speaker 3: That's crazy because I saw that on social media, and

1760
01:24:15,173 --> 01:24:18,293
Speaker 3: you know how knowledgeable social media is. That is a

1761
01:24:18,333 --> 01:24:20,933
Speaker 3: two person operation. Yes, so the dog's attacking you.

1762
01:24:21,253 --> 01:24:23,772
Speaker 2: Yep, your friend comes up, lifts the tail, the dog

1763
01:24:23,812 --> 01:24:25,892
Speaker 2: will be instantly not into it anymore.

1764
01:24:25,933 --> 01:24:28,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not a solo game. Yeah, that is good stuff.

1765
01:24:28,732 --> 01:24:31,012
Speaker 3: That's a good PSA And that was a great chat,

1766
01:24:31,093 --> 01:24:33,053
Speaker 3: So thank you everybody who text and called on that one.

1767
01:24:33,412 --> 01:24:35,412
Speaker 3: Right now, though, we want to have a chats about

1768
01:24:35,572 --> 01:24:37,612
Speaker 3: how much time you should be spending with your kids.

1769
01:24:37,652 --> 01:24:40,972
Speaker 3: This is after a recent study that shows millennials spend

1770
01:24:41,013 --> 01:24:44,653
Speaker 3: more time than past generations with their children. So millennial

1771
01:24:45,013 --> 01:24:48,772
Speaker 3: mothers spent twelve percent more time caring for children and

1772
01:24:48,853 --> 01:24:51,892
Speaker 3: being with the children than Gen X mums did at

1773
01:24:51,933 --> 01:24:54,893
Speaker 3: the same age, and the difference between Gen X and

1774
01:24:54,973 --> 01:24:58,772
Speaker 3: baby boomers was massive fifty two percent so Gen X

1775
01:24:58,853 --> 01:25:01,333
Speaker 3: spent fifty two percent more time with their kids than

1776
01:25:01,333 --> 01:25:03,892
Speaker 3: the Baby burners, and the millennials spend another twelve percent

1777
01:25:03,973 --> 01:25:04,892
Speaker 3: more than the Gen x's.

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01:25:04,973 --> 01:25:07,812
Speaker 2: So that sounds good, right, because we've always told that

1779
01:25:07,812 --> 01:25:09,612
Speaker 2: you need to speA more time with your kids.

1780
01:25:09,772 --> 01:25:09,972
Speaker 7: Yep.

1781
01:25:10,133 --> 01:25:12,972
Speaker 2: And you know us gen x's. You know the Boomers,

1782
01:25:13,652 --> 01:25:17,133
Speaker 2: they came from the kids of war people.

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01:25:17,692 --> 01:25:19,652
Speaker 3: Yeah they did, yep. So it was very different.

1784
01:25:19,692 --> 01:25:25,172
Speaker 2: It's a very different transition down the generations. But boomers

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01:25:25,612 --> 01:25:28,652
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily spend dads didn't necessarily spend a lot of time.

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01:25:28,572 --> 01:25:28,972
Speaker 3: With their kids.

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01:25:29,213 --> 01:25:31,652
Speaker 2: I mean they were working really really hard, often had

1788
01:25:31,772 --> 01:25:34,612
Speaker 2: lots of kids as well. Yeah, harder to spend time

1789
01:25:34,692 --> 01:25:36,133
Speaker 2: with six kids than one kid.

1790
01:25:36,452 --> 01:25:38,692
Speaker 3: Well, funny you mentioned that because that was the mother's

1791
01:25:38,853 --> 01:25:42,852
Speaker 3: So the fathers, millennial fathers spent six percent more time

1792
01:25:42,933 --> 01:25:44,932
Speaker 3: than the Gen x'es. But you're quite right. The biggest

1793
01:25:45,013 --> 01:25:47,892
Speaker 3: jump was between the Boomer dads and the Gen X dads.

1794
01:25:47,973 --> 01:25:51,093
Speaker 3: So young Gen X fathers spent more than twice as

1795
01:25:51,173 --> 01:25:52,892
Speaker 3: much time with their kids than the Boomer dads.

1796
01:25:52,973 --> 01:25:55,253
Speaker 2: I wonder if this is a skewed stat because most

1797
01:25:55,333 --> 01:25:57,452
Speaker 2: millennials are too lazy to have kids, aren't they. So

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01:25:57,933 --> 01:26:00,893
Speaker 2: people younger than Gen X are generally too lazy to

1799
01:26:00,973 --> 01:26:04,412
Speaker 2: have kids because they're too superficially focused on their career

1800
01:26:04,492 --> 01:26:06,372
Speaker 2: and material things. And they go, I want to travel,

1801
01:26:07,013 --> 01:26:08,812
Speaker 2: I just want to travel. I want to be able

1802
01:26:08,853 --> 01:26:11,172
Speaker 2: to get up in the morning and do my staff.

1803
01:26:11,692 --> 01:26:13,213
Speaker 2: And I don't want to be annoyed by kids, you

1804
01:26:13,253 --> 01:26:13,572
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

1805
01:26:13,853 --> 01:26:16,133
Speaker 3: They like to wait a little longer. Yeahah, just get

1806
01:26:16,133 --> 01:26:17,173
Speaker 3: everything set up before.

1807
01:26:17,692 --> 01:26:21,372
Speaker 2: So this is sort of a survival statistic, isn't it.

1808
01:26:21,492 --> 01:26:23,892
Speaker 2: So the people that have kids are you know, there's

1809
01:26:23,893 --> 01:26:28,053
Speaker 2: a lot of people. At one point, boomer era was

1810
01:26:28,093 --> 01:26:30,333
Speaker 2: probably the last area of this, you know, to do

1811
01:26:30,452 --> 01:26:33,053
Speaker 2: with changes and birth control and stuff. People just had

1812
01:26:33,372 --> 01:26:35,892
Speaker 2: kids by a matter of course, yep. Yeah, you grow up,

1813
01:26:36,093 --> 01:26:39,372
Speaker 2: got marriage, started having kids, right right, yep. So you

1814
01:26:40,093 --> 01:26:43,012
Speaker 2: were not necessarily the type of person that really really

1815
01:26:43,133 --> 01:26:46,933
Speaker 2: really wanted to have kids. So everyone had kids. Some

1816
01:26:47,093 --> 01:26:49,692
Speaker 2: people had kids and loved it, spent a lot of

1817
01:26:49,732 --> 01:26:52,173
Speaker 2: time with them. Some people had kids just because you

1818
01:26:52,253 --> 01:26:53,692
Speaker 2: had kids and went that into it.

1819
01:26:54,372 --> 01:26:55,572
Speaker 3: There wasn't the overthinking of it.

1820
01:26:55,732 --> 01:26:57,893
Speaker 2: So there is today there's a lot of millennials to

1821
01:26:57,933 --> 01:26:59,732
Speaker 2: sid to have kids and so the ones that side

1822
01:26:59,732 --> 01:27:01,333
Speaker 2: to kids probably really love them and they spend more

1823
01:27:01,372 --> 01:27:03,893
Speaker 2: time with them, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but can you

1824
01:27:03,933 --> 01:27:06,692
Speaker 2: spend too much time with your kids because obviously this

1825
01:27:06,812 --> 01:27:07,652
Speaker 2: helicopter parenting?

1826
01:27:07,812 --> 01:27:07,932
Speaker 11: Right?

1827
01:27:08,572 --> 01:27:11,093
Speaker 2: And you know when people say that they can't have

1828
01:27:11,213 --> 01:27:14,093
Speaker 2: big families because they think you always see people say

1829
01:27:14,093 --> 01:27:16,973
Speaker 2: how did people have six kids? I mean, I came

1830
01:27:17,013 --> 01:27:19,612
Speaker 2: from four kids. How did people have that many kids?

1831
01:27:20,372 --> 01:27:22,892
Speaker 2: And it was because the parents didn't really do much parenting.

1832
01:27:23,652 --> 01:27:25,532
Speaker 2: They sort of just put some food on the table

1833
01:27:25,692 --> 01:27:27,692
Speaker 2: and a roof over your head, and then you were

1834
01:27:27,772 --> 01:27:29,732
Speaker 2: just sort of runn around the neighborhood throwing rocks at things.

1835
01:27:29,812 --> 01:27:33,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's why it's interesting because you're a genics father. Yeah,

1836
01:27:33,893 --> 01:27:36,053
Speaker 3: but you're also a child of a boomer. I'm a

1837
01:27:36,133 --> 01:27:37,253
Speaker 3: child of boomers as well.

1838
01:27:37,452 --> 01:27:37,652
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1839
01:27:37,812 --> 01:27:40,652
Speaker 3: And whether you call it latch key kids or whatever

1840
01:27:40,732 --> 01:27:44,492
Speaker 3: the phrase is, the truth is that my parents didn't

1841
01:27:44,532 --> 01:27:46,372
Speaker 3: really care where I was most of the time, as

1842
01:27:46,412 --> 01:27:48,692
Speaker 3: long as I was out entertaining myself and be back

1843
01:27:48,692 --> 01:27:51,052
Speaker 3: at a certain time. You just don't get there these.

1844
01:27:50,973 --> 01:27:54,933
Speaker 2: Days, no, because that's also this social pressure on that

1845
01:27:55,013 --> 01:27:56,612
Speaker 2: you know, if someone sees it's a kid walking down

1846
01:27:56,612 --> 01:27:58,932
Speaker 2: the street, They're like, what's going on here? But there's

1847
01:27:59,013 --> 01:28:00,452
Speaker 2: just be kids all over the shop that were just

1848
01:28:00,532 --> 01:28:02,333
Speaker 2: doing whatever. You know, you're just going off until it

1849
01:28:02,412 --> 01:28:05,173
Speaker 2: was dark. As the cliche goes, right, Yes, dinner'll be

1850
01:28:05,213 --> 01:28:06,852
Speaker 2: on the table back before dark.

1851
01:28:07,492 --> 01:28:10,333
Speaker 3: You know, lights come on street, lights come on your home.

1852
01:28:10,652 --> 01:28:11,452
Speaker 3: That was the old cliche.

1853
01:28:11,692 --> 01:28:18,293
Speaker 2: Yes, so nowadays that not only millennial parents potentially a

1854
01:28:19,013 --> 01:28:22,052
Speaker 2: my point being selected for people that really want kids

1855
01:28:22,732 --> 01:28:25,093
Speaker 2: be expected to be helicopter parents and have been told

1856
01:28:25,133 --> 01:28:26,532
Speaker 2: over and over and over again that you've got to

1857
01:28:26,532 --> 01:28:30,172
Speaker 2: spend as much time with your kids as well as possible.

1858
01:28:31,492 --> 01:28:32,812
Speaker 7: But C.

1859
01:28:34,333 --> 01:28:34,932
Speaker 3: They are.

1860
01:28:36,772 --> 01:28:41,173
Speaker 2: I can't remember what C was. I'll loft after B.

1861
01:28:41,692 --> 01:28:44,893
Speaker 2: I think C was something like I can't remember the

1862
01:28:45,013 --> 01:28:46,852
Speaker 2: A and B was a strong stub was good.

1863
01:28:47,173 --> 01:28:49,653
Speaker 3: But I think it's an interesting one. So, you know, millennials,

1864
01:28:49,732 --> 01:28:52,452
Speaker 3: as the study shows, spend a lot more time with

1865
01:28:52,612 --> 01:28:55,213
Speaker 3: their kids than previous generations. But is that a good

1866
01:28:55,293 --> 01:28:59,452
Speaker 3: thing in terms of building are resilience and dependency. Do

1867
01:28:59,572 --> 01:29:02,012
Speaker 3: you really need to spend that much time with your kids?

1868
01:29:02,093 --> 01:29:03,532
Speaker 3: Clearly you want to spend some time with them.

1869
01:29:03,732 --> 01:29:06,333
Speaker 2: This Texas is I think that surveys rather a generalization well,

1870
01:29:06,372 --> 01:29:11,173
Speaker 2: that's what surveys are, the generalization. It's by their very nature,

1871
01:29:11,973 --> 01:29:15,093
Speaker 2: it's a definition. But I think that maybe I.

1872
01:29:15,093 --> 01:29:16,213
Speaker 3: Spent too much time with my kids.

1873
01:29:16,692 --> 01:29:19,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, because because I was a breakfast radio host and

1874
01:29:19,812 --> 01:29:22,213
Speaker 2: so I was always home when they got home from

1875
01:29:22,213 --> 01:29:25,812
Speaker 2: school and straight now my kids have all the exact

1876
01:29:25,812 --> 01:29:29,412
Speaker 2: same interests as me. Yeah, you know, video games, movies,

1877
01:29:30,053 --> 01:29:33,692
Speaker 2: you know that's pretty cool. Yeah, running, you know those.

1878
01:29:33,812 --> 01:29:37,412
Speaker 2: My kids kind of do what I do. So by

1879
01:29:37,492 --> 01:29:40,012
Speaker 2: spending so much time with them, have I just created

1880
01:29:40,053 --> 01:29:40,892
Speaker 2: clones of myself?

1881
01:29:40,973 --> 01:29:41,053
Speaker 22: Oh?

1882
01:29:41,133 --> 01:29:43,452
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty eight is the number to call.

1883
01:29:43,732 --> 01:29:46,093
Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text as well. Love

1884
01:29:46,173 --> 01:29:49,333
Speaker 3: to hear from you on this one. Yeah, can you

1885
01:29:49,372 --> 01:29:50,612
Speaker 3: spend too much time with your kids?

1886
01:29:51,372 --> 01:29:55,692
Speaker 2: Are millennials spinning?

1887
01:29:56,732 --> 01:29:58,372
Speaker 3: I don't know what's too much? Too much time with

1888
01:29:58,452 --> 01:30:01,932
Speaker 3: your kids? I think what you said millennials too lazy

1889
01:30:02,133 --> 01:30:04,732
Speaker 3: to do, to do what is right and have more

1890
01:30:04,812 --> 01:30:09,053
Speaker 3: babies to keep this operation going. Hundred and eighty ten

1891
01:30:09,093 --> 01:30:10,932
Speaker 3: eighty is a number to call. It's eight bus three.

1892
01:30:11,013 --> 01:30:12,772
Speaker 3: I just remember what my ce point was. I'll come

1893
01:30:12,812 --> 01:30:15,093
Speaker 3: back to that in a second. Yes, on news talk,

1894
01:30:15,173 --> 01:30:17,612
Speaker 3: si'd be twenty past three is spending too much time

1895
01:30:17,692 --> 01:30:20,412
Speaker 3: with your kids potentially bad for their development. This is

1896
01:30:20,492 --> 01:30:24,492
Speaker 3: after a new survey shows millennials spend far more time

1897
01:30:24,612 --> 01:30:28,333
Speaker 3: than previous generations with their children, very rarely letting them

1898
01:30:28,412 --> 01:30:30,173
Speaker 3: out of their sight, according to the survey.

1899
01:30:30,333 --> 01:30:34,612
Speaker 2: Well, Jonathan Hyde, you know, very famous American thinker. He's

1900
01:30:34,893 --> 01:30:38,732
Speaker 2: doing a lot around the world of devices at the

1901
01:30:38,772 --> 01:30:41,492
Speaker 2: moment and children. But he in his book was it

1902
01:30:41,532 --> 01:30:44,012
Speaker 2: the Anxious Generation or the Coddling of America. He's written

1903
01:30:44,013 --> 01:30:46,053
Speaker 2: a couple of books. Yep, but he's written a bunch

1904
01:30:46,093 --> 01:30:47,812
Speaker 2: of books, but two of them I've read, a Coddling

1905
01:30:47,853 --> 01:30:50,572
Speaker 2: of America and the Anxious Generation, I think. But his

1906
01:30:50,772 --> 01:30:53,612
Speaker 2: thing was that the best thing for kids resilience and

1907
01:30:53,812 --> 01:30:56,532
Speaker 2: for them to succeed in life was to spend a

1908
01:30:56,612 --> 01:31:00,572
Speaker 2: lot of time not being overseen by their parents. So

1909
01:31:00,893 --> 01:31:03,093
Speaker 2: we've got parents now that won't let their kids walk

1910
01:31:03,093 --> 01:31:05,412
Speaker 2: down to the dairy by themselves. You know, we've heard

1911
01:31:05,412 --> 01:31:07,812
Speaker 2: about a lot about walking to school. Right, So you

1912
01:31:07,893 --> 01:31:10,492
Speaker 2: could say, I'm an amazing parent.

1913
01:31:10,532 --> 01:31:12,372
Speaker 3: God, I'm a great parent. I'm incredible.

1914
01:31:12,412 --> 01:31:14,133
Speaker 2: I spent all this time with the kids, you know,

1915
01:31:16,253 --> 01:31:19,652
Speaker 2: helicopterying around behind them. You know that doesn't necessarily mean

1916
01:31:19,652 --> 01:31:21,652
Speaker 2: you're a great parent, because the job of a parent

1917
01:31:21,732 --> 01:31:24,893
Speaker 2: is to make someone that's competent, right, Yeah, and so

1918
01:31:25,173 --> 01:31:27,213
Speaker 2: if you haven't made them competent for the real world,

1919
01:31:27,333 --> 01:31:28,053
Speaker 2: then you're not.

1920
01:31:28,053 --> 01:31:28,612
Speaker 3: A great parent.

1921
01:31:29,253 --> 01:31:33,173
Speaker 2: So there is a possibility where a more neglectful parent

1922
01:31:33,492 --> 01:31:35,812
Speaker 2: is accidentally a bit of parent.

1923
01:31:36,253 --> 01:31:37,652
Speaker 3: I remember what my points were.

1924
01:31:38,173 --> 01:31:40,333
Speaker 2: You know how I humiliated myself before by not both

1925
01:31:40,652 --> 01:31:42,893
Speaker 2: you forgot Sea by saying I've got three points on this,

1926
01:31:43,013 --> 01:31:45,812
Speaker 2: and by the time B I've forgotten what C was.

1927
01:31:46,572 --> 01:31:47,492
Speaker 3: So the reason why I.

1928
01:31:47,492 --> 01:31:49,932
Speaker 2: Think millennials spend more time with their kids, right, Okay,

1929
01:31:50,013 --> 01:31:53,492
Speaker 2: so the millennials that choose to have kids because most

1930
01:31:53,532 --> 01:31:57,492
Speaker 2: millennials are too lazy or materialistic or whatever. They pretend

1931
01:31:57,492 --> 01:31:59,652
Speaker 2: they're too broke. But really, so you can't afford to

1932
01:31:59,652 --> 01:32:03,093
Speaker 2: have one kid when boomers managed to have five kids.

1933
01:32:03,213 --> 01:32:05,092
Speaker 2: You really think that one kid now is more expensive

1934
01:32:05,093 --> 01:32:07,572
Speaker 2: than five kids? Shops fight the The idea that it's

1935
01:32:07,572 --> 01:32:09,253
Speaker 2: too expensed to have kids now is ridiculous. And also,

1936
01:32:09,253 --> 01:32:11,293
Speaker 2: what are you going to spend your money on? I

1937
01:32:11,333 --> 01:32:13,692
Speaker 2: mean the idea that you spend money on kids. You

1938
01:32:13,732 --> 01:32:15,932
Speaker 2: don't spend money on kids, cauds. Kids are the whole point.

1939
01:32:16,053 --> 01:32:17,732
Speaker 2: Any money you've got should go to kids. Anyway, that's

1940
01:32:17,732 --> 01:32:20,852
Speaker 2: a different question. The millennials that choose to have kids,

1941
01:32:20,853 --> 01:32:22,772
Speaker 2: they've chosen to have kids, right, they have, they plan it,

1942
01:32:23,093 --> 01:32:25,253
Speaker 2: so they are focused on having kids. They want to

1943
01:32:25,293 --> 01:32:27,053
Speaker 2: have kids, something they've chosen to do. So they're going

1944
01:32:27,133 --> 01:32:29,572
Speaker 2: to spend a lot more time with their kids, right. Yeah,

1945
01:32:29,612 --> 01:32:33,213
Speaker 2: you know, if I've chosen to buy myself a I

1946
01:32:33,333 --> 01:32:35,172
Speaker 2: don't know, maserati, Yeah.

1947
01:32:34,973 --> 01:32:37,093
Speaker 3: I'm going to spend more time with it, absolutely beautiful car.

1948
01:32:37,372 --> 01:32:40,333
Speaker 2: Then if I just started spewing out mathoriatis when I

1949
01:32:40,412 --> 01:32:43,893
Speaker 2: was nineteen. As a matter of course, B point was

1950
01:32:43,973 --> 01:32:46,013
Speaker 2: there has been a lot of time, a lot of

1951
01:32:46,053 --> 01:32:48,173
Speaker 2: propagandaal of chat about spending time with kids.

1952
01:32:48,253 --> 01:32:50,052
Speaker 3: Right For a lot of people have talked about how.

1953
01:32:50,093 --> 01:32:55,012
Speaker 2: Boomer dads weren't there, yep, working and the biggest growth

1954
01:32:56,213 --> 01:32:59,133
Speaker 2: in these stats on spending time with kids is from fathers, right, yes,

1955
01:32:59,213 --> 01:32:59,372
Speaker 2: it is.

1956
01:32:59,732 --> 01:33:01,292
Speaker 3: So there was so much of that talk.

1957
01:33:01,133 --> 01:33:04,372
Speaker 2: About dads missing sport events and all this kind of

1958
01:33:04,412 --> 01:33:06,412
Speaker 2: stuff and working too hard to pay for everything and

1959
01:33:06,492 --> 01:33:08,652
Speaker 2: being away from the family that men have been shamed

1960
01:33:08,692 --> 01:33:09,372
Speaker 2: and spending time.

1961
01:33:09,293 --> 01:33:11,133
Speaker 3: With your family. Okay, So propaganda yep.

1962
01:33:12,133 --> 01:33:15,013
Speaker 2: And see, if you've got less kids, you spend more

1963
01:33:15,053 --> 01:33:16,932
Speaker 2: time with them, right, yeah, have you got if you've

1964
01:33:16,933 --> 01:33:20,133
Speaker 2: got ten kids, then individually going to spend a lot

1965
01:33:20,213 --> 01:33:21,492
Speaker 2: less time with each kid.

1966
01:33:21,532 --> 01:33:22,732
Speaker 3: I'll give it. You're not going to want to spend

1967
01:33:22,732 --> 01:33:24,093
Speaker 3: time with any kids if you've got ten kids. But

1968
01:33:24,572 --> 01:33:25,932
Speaker 3: but you know what I mean, Like you've just got

1969
01:33:25,973 --> 01:33:28,053
Speaker 3: the one kid, then you spend one hundred percent of

1970
01:33:28,093 --> 01:33:32,452
Speaker 3: your effort on helicopter in Yeah that child, yes, but

1971
01:33:32,572 --> 01:33:35,412
Speaker 3: if you go to carbon neutral or three or four

1972
01:33:35,532 --> 01:33:37,692
Speaker 3: or five or sex, yeah, someone's going to get forgotten

1973
01:33:37,692 --> 01:33:38,133
Speaker 3: along the way.

1974
01:33:38,173 --> 01:33:39,812
Speaker 2: So my mum was from a huge family, and she

1975
01:33:39,973 --> 01:33:42,932
Speaker 2: said that her and her twin sister massive family. One

1976
01:33:42,973 --> 01:33:46,293
Speaker 2: of their jobs on their birthdays that she was fearful

1977
01:33:46,692 --> 01:33:48,452
Speaker 2: was she had to go and tell her dad that

1978
01:33:48,532 --> 01:33:49,212
Speaker 2: it was her birthday.

1979
01:33:49,333 --> 01:33:49,532
Speaker 3: Yep.

1980
01:33:49,692 --> 01:33:52,013
Speaker 2: But her and her sister Heather, they had to go

1981
01:33:52,173 --> 01:33:56,532
Speaker 2: and go up and say Dad, it's our birthday, and

1982
01:33:56,612 --> 01:33:58,973
Speaker 2: he'd be like, which one are you and we're like,

1983
01:33:59,612 --> 01:34:03,772
Speaker 2: we're the twins. Any heavy birthday, Yeah, you needed help.

1984
01:34:03,772 --> 01:34:05,013
Speaker 3: There's a lot of kids. There's a lot of kid

1985
01:34:05,013 --> 01:34:07,253
Speaker 3: at help, you know. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

1986
01:34:07,293 --> 01:34:09,253
Speaker 3: eighty is the number of all love to hear your

1987
01:34:09,293 --> 01:34:11,452
Speaker 3: thoughts on this, Bruce. How are you?

1988
01:34:12,692 --> 01:34:12,852
Speaker 15: Oh?

1989
01:34:13,053 --> 01:34:13,572
Speaker 11: Pretty good?

1990
01:34:15,013 --> 01:34:16,692
Speaker 23: I was a very young dad and we had a

1991
01:34:16,772 --> 01:34:20,852
Speaker 23: very young mon and we had a boy. She was

1992
01:34:20,933 --> 01:34:24,012
Speaker 23: a war horse of a sister that ran the ward,

1993
01:34:25,492 --> 01:34:27,852
Speaker 23: and she gave me a few good tips, and one,

1994
01:34:27,893 --> 01:34:28,892
Speaker 23: will spend half an.

1995
01:34:28,772 --> 01:34:31,412
Speaker 3: Hour with your daughter every day, half an hour.

1996
01:34:31,532 --> 01:34:34,532
Speaker 23: So I did half an now. I always make half

1997
01:34:34,612 --> 01:34:35,133
Speaker 23: now for her.

1998
01:34:35,853 --> 01:34:38,692
Speaker 2: So was it a whole half an hour in a

1999
01:34:38,772 --> 01:34:41,293
Speaker 2: row or could it be a series of five year

2000
01:34:41,452 --> 01:34:42,532
Speaker 2: ten there that kind of thing.

2001
01:34:43,652 --> 01:34:45,812
Speaker 23: I don't know, sort of. I used to just make

2002
01:34:45,853 --> 01:34:47,932
Speaker 23: it half an hour, and then like literally I used

2003
01:34:47,933 --> 01:34:49,933
Speaker 23: to wash and dress of her bed and things like that.

2004
01:34:50,652 --> 01:34:52,452
Speaker 23: And then it was reading her story, and then it

2005
01:34:52,532 --> 01:34:56,293
Speaker 23: was going through her homework. That was on top of

2006
01:34:56,372 --> 01:34:58,333
Speaker 23: what else I did, like I'd always help her if

2007
01:34:58,372 --> 01:35:01,452
Speaker 23: she got into things. And she turned out very very

2008
01:35:01,692 --> 01:35:07,333
Speaker 23: bright mat But this old battle act, I mean, fathers

2009
01:35:07,372 --> 01:35:10,732
Speaker 23: were terrified, you're unmarried, like we were. You just got hell.

2010
01:35:10,933 --> 01:35:13,933
Speaker 23: This was my six seat. But she gave me. I

2011
01:35:14,253 --> 01:35:17,452
Speaker 23: ended up three days after she's born at bathtime, and

2012
01:35:17,572 --> 01:35:19,093
Speaker 23: she asked me what I wanted, what I was doing,

2013
01:35:19,253 --> 01:35:21,492
Speaker 23: and I told her because I was frightened, I've been sprung.

2014
01:35:22,572 --> 01:35:25,812
Speaker 23: But she gave us some really good bits of advice

2015
01:35:26,812 --> 01:35:28,933
Speaker 23: as it went on, and when we came to go,

2016
01:35:29,173 --> 01:35:31,053
Speaker 23: she gave us her hometown number and the phone number.

2017
01:35:31,093 --> 01:35:33,893
Speaker 23: See we had a problem, called her. Like one of

2018
01:35:33,933 --> 01:35:36,812
Speaker 23: the things she told me, you go down the road

2019
01:35:36,853 --> 01:35:39,732
Speaker 23: of life and you you know, you get a party,

2020
01:35:39,772 --> 01:35:42,412
Speaker 23: get a lady in your life. When you have kids,

2021
01:35:42,532 --> 01:35:46,093
Speaker 23: go down the road with people who have children. You

2022
01:35:46,213 --> 01:35:48,612
Speaker 23: never have a problem because you've all got the problem.

2023
01:35:49,253 --> 01:35:51,213
Speaker 23: Your life sort of revolves around your kids.

2024
01:35:51,532 --> 01:35:54,213
Speaker 2: That's that's definitely happened with me. All my high school

2025
01:35:54,213 --> 01:35:55,452
Speaker 2: friends had kids at the same time.

2026
01:35:55,812 --> 01:35:57,173
Speaker 3: That's handy, and except for the ones that.

2027
01:35:57,213 --> 01:35:58,892
Speaker 2: Didn't, and the ones that didn't kind of slipped off

2028
01:35:58,973 --> 01:36:02,692
Speaker 2: because they weren't in the same arguably hurt locker as

2029
01:36:02,732 --> 01:36:03,013
Speaker 2: we were.

2030
01:36:03,933 --> 01:36:06,852
Speaker 3: Well, the commonality starts to you know, you get obviously

2031
01:36:06,933 --> 01:36:09,173
Speaker 3: your knee deep and being a peer, so you share

2032
01:36:09,253 --> 01:36:10,973
Speaker 3: that with other new parents.

2033
01:36:10,732 --> 01:36:13,253
Speaker 2: And then because you want to have drinks with your friends,

2034
01:36:13,333 --> 01:36:16,372
Speaker 2: you end up having barbecues with all the kids running around.

2035
01:36:16,452 --> 01:36:18,532
Speaker 2: So the kids become friends and it becomes this whole thing.

2036
01:36:18,652 --> 01:36:20,852
Speaker 2: So absolutely right, Bruce. If you can walk through life

2037
01:36:21,492 --> 01:36:25,572
Speaker 2: with friends that have kids, then it's and it's then

2038
01:36:25,572 --> 01:36:28,412
Speaker 2: it does make things easier, you know. Yeah, and you know,

2039
01:36:28,492 --> 01:36:31,452
Speaker 2: like you can unload them off on one particular family

2040
01:36:31,532 --> 01:36:32,452
Speaker 2: each weekend whatever.

2041
01:36:32,532 --> 01:36:32,692
Speaker 19: You know.

2042
01:36:32,732 --> 01:36:34,772
Speaker 2: We used to have so many kids staying over because

2043
01:36:34,772 --> 01:36:38,412
Speaker 2: they're all friends. Like sometimes you'd have like ten kids. Yeah,

2044
01:36:38,692 --> 01:36:41,213
Speaker 2: that would be sh staying around because all of our

2045
01:36:41,253 --> 01:36:43,092
Speaker 2: friends would be doing something and we'd.

2046
01:36:42,933 --> 01:36:44,652
Speaker 3: Take the kids. You know, just have a roster who's

2047
01:36:44,692 --> 01:36:45,612
Speaker 3: got the kids this weekend?

2048
01:36:46,013 --> 01:36:49,293
Speaker 2: Hi guys, says Alisha. I'm forty four year old mum

2049
01:36:49,412 --> 01:36:52,492
Speaker 2: of a four year old. I love parenting in this era.

2050
01:36:52,612 --> 01:36:54,852
Speaker 2: I love and appreciate how much time my son is

2051
01:36:54,893 --> 01:36:57,772
Speaker 2: able to have been influenced by our funo in their

2052
01:36:57,973 --> 01:37:01,652
Speaker 2: most influential years. We have three businesses, so we are busy,

2053
01:37:01,732 --> 01:37:04,972
Speaker 2: but do prior toze family time. An example of today's dads,

2054
01:37:05,213 --> 01:37:08,253
Speaker 2: especially our sound started swimming lessons at six months old,

2055
01:37:08,333 --> 01:37:10,372
Speaker 2: and whenever my mother comes to watch a lesson, she

2056
01:37:10,412 --> 01:37:13,093
Speaker 2: has flabbergasted by all the dads doing swimming with their kids.

2057
01:37:13,572 --> 01:37:15,412
Speaker 2: Eight out of eight babies had dads in the pool

2058
01:37:15,452 --> 01:37:18,213
Speaker 2: with them. She said she never saw anything like it

2059
01:37:18,333 --> 01:37:19,132
Speaker 2: back in the eighties.

2060
01:37:19,933 --> 01:37:22,732
Speaker 3: Well, that's a nice trend. That's beautiful. That is beautiful.

2061
01:37:23,093 --> 01:37:24,612
Speaker 3: I would push back on that a little bit though.

2062
01:37:25,053 --> 01:37:25,293
Speaker 1: On the.

2063
01:37:26,812 --> 01:37:29,892
Speaker 2: That's arguably eight hungover dads standing in a circle being

2064
01:37:29,933 --> 01:37:33,173
Speaker 2: punished in the most noisy, sweaty place in the entire

2065
01:37:33,253 --> 01:37:36,572
Speaker 2: world with the swimmer in the pool, goes kirk.

2066
01:37:36,652 --> 01:37:37,972
Speaker 3: Kirk, kitk Kirk.

2067
01:37:38,053 --> 01:37:38,333
Speaker 1: I mean that.

2068
01:37:38,452 --> 01:37:40,492
Speaker 2: I think that was actually the worst part of parenting

2069
01:37:40,532 --> 01:37:44,253
Speaker 2: for me, taking the kids to the swimming pool when

2070
01:37:44,293 --> 01:37:46,572
Speaker 2: they're and then they don't even remember how to swim.

2071
01:37:46,652 --> 01:37:48,253
Speaker 2: You have to teach them to swim again when they're

2072
01:37:48,333 --> 01:37:48,612
Speaker 2: like four.

2073
01:37:48,973 --> 01:37:51,173
Speaker 3: This deep trauma there. You know, you've been in the trenches. Oh,

2074
01:37:51,213 --> 01:37:53,692
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2075
01:37:53,933 --> 01:37:57,013
Speaker 3: Can you spend too much time with the kids or

2076
01:37:58,213 --> 01:38:01,372
Speaker 3: can that cause some developmental issues? As in letting them

2077
01:38:01,412 --> 01:38:03,372
Speaker 3: build a bit of resilience and independence? Is that a

2078
01:38:03,412 --> 01:38:05,372
Speaker 3: good thing that's been lost with millennial parents.

2079
01:38:05,452 --> 01:38:07,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, because of course, you know, with the one child

2080
01:38:07,173 --> 01:38:10,732
Speaker 2: policy and China when they only had one child, they

2081
01:38:10,812 --> 01:38:13,372
Speaker 2: talked about them as becoming little emperors because there's too.

2082
01:38:13,293 --> 01:38:15,612
Speaker 3: Much focus on them. Yes, you know, yeah, and that

2083
01:38:15,692 --> 01:38:17,692
Speaker 3: can be a problem as well, right, certainly, Cam. Yeah,

2084
01:38:17,732 --> 01:38:19,412
Speaker 3: you know, kid needs to find independence.

2085
01:38:19,452 --> 01:38:20,732
Speaker 2: So you can be trying to be the best parent

2086
01:38:20,772 --> 01:38:22,692
Speaker 2: in the world because this one kid is so precious,

2087
01:38:22,692 --> 01:38:24,412
Speaker 2: and then you end up, you know, whatever you do,

2088
01:38:24,452 --> 01:38:25,612
Speaker 2: you can end up slightly screwing.

2089
01:38:25,652 --> 01:38:28,213
Speaker 3: There's twenty eight bars three beag very.

2090
01:38:28,133 --> 01:38:35,692
Speaker 1: Shortly, Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred

2091
01:38:35,692 --> 01:38:37,652
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on News Talk ZB.

2092
01:38:38,093 --> 01:38:40,213
Speaker 3: It is twenty nine to four. So we're talking about

2093
01:38:40,253 --> 01:38:43,932
Speaker 3: the amount of time that the generational parents are spending

2094
01:38:43,973 --> 01:38:46,732
Speaker 3: with their kids. Millennials are by far and large, spend

2095
01:38:46,732 --> 01:38:49,293
Speaker 3: way more time with their kids than previous generations. And

2096
01:38:49,652 --> 01:38:52,973
Speaker 3: dads are the biggest difference, the difference between a gen

2097
01:38:53,213 --> 01:38:55,852
Speaker 3: X dad and a boomer dad, and a millennial dad

2098
01:38:55,973 --> 01:38:58,333
Speaker 3: versus a boomer dad, it is huge.

2099
01:38:58,732 --> 01:39:00,372
Speaker 2: This I've got the sticks there from Liz Matt. Do

2100
01:39:00,412 --> 01:39:02,053
Speaker 2: you think eight fathers might just want to be in

2101
01:39:02,093 --> 01:39:04,533
Speaker 2: the pool with their children or is this your psychology

2102
01:39:04,572 --> 01:39:08,933
Speaker 2: at work? Switching off again, Liz, Liz never met one

2103
01:39:08,973 --> 01:39:10,772
Speaker 2: of the a parent that enjoy it. That's not being

2104
01:39:10,812 --> 01:39:12,333
Speaker 2: in the pool with your kids. Being in the pool

2105
01:39:12,372 --> 01:39:14,052
Speaker 2: with your kids is at home throwing a ball around

2106
01:39:14,732 --> 01:39:18,612
Speaker 2: the swimming lessons is some kind of penance for dads.

2107
01:39:19,213 --> 01:39:21,412
Speaker 2: I've never met a dad, and I've known so many

2108
01:39:21,492 --> 01:39:24,333
Speaker 2: dads of young kids growing up. I've never met a

2109
01:39:24,452 --> 01:39:26,973
Speaker 2: dad that have enjoyed the humiliation of standing in that

2110
01:39:27,093 --> 01:39:29,412
Speaker 2: pool with the swimmer and the pool goes kick kick kick.

2111
01:39:29,812 --> 01:39:33,133
Speaker 2: It's about eighty degrees in there, the humidity Sunday morning,

2112
01:39:33,253 --> 01:39:36,012
Speaker 2: off the rock scale, Saturday morning, Sunday mining.

2113
01:39:36,213 --> 01:39:38,293
Speaker 3: It's just the loudest sound you've ever heard.

2114
01:39:38,372 --> 01:39:41,133
Speaker 2: It's such a high pitched echoy sound. That is not

2115
01:39:41,412 --> 01:39:43,852
Speaker 2: swimming with your kids. Everyone loves swimming with your kids.

2116
01:39:44,293 --> 01:39:45,972
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, lovely dad at the beach.

2117
01:39:46,372 --> 01:39:49,652
Speaker 3: But that boy, I've talked to so many dads, and

2118
01:39:50,093 --> 01:39:51,572
Speaker 3: you know they have to do it. You told you

2119
01:39:51,692 --> 01:39:55,612
Speaker 3: have to do it. Take a kid. It's some kind

2120
01:39:55,612 --> 01:39:57,812
Speaker 3: of punishment. Was it fun the first time? No, it's

2121
01:39:57,853 --> 01:40:01,253
Speaker 3: not fun, not even the first time. The first time.

2122
01:40:01,293 --> 01:40:04,333
Speaker 3: While they're you know, doing the we we doggy pedal. No,

2123
01:40:05,612 --> 01:40:07,612
Speaker 3: that's not fun. That is not fun.

2124
01:40:08,333 --> 01:40:09,692
Speaker 2: Oh we're going to here. It's something you feel like

2125
01:40:09,772 --> 01:40:11,173
Speaker 2: you have to do. But the truth is that you

2126
01:40:11,293 --> 01:40:13,173
Speaker 2: then have to teach your kids to swim again, because

2127
01:40:13,213 --> 01:40:16,612
Speaker 2: because a six month old doesn't learn swing and remember it. Yeah,

2128
01:40:17,213 --> 01:40:19,452
Speaker 2: they're not suddenly you know, doing breath stroke.

2129
01:40:20,692 --> 01:40:22,452
Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

2130
01:40:22,492 --> 01:40:24,892
Speaker 3: to call. Got headlines coming up, are but taking more

2131
01:40:24,933 --> 01:40:25,852
Speaker 3: of your calls shortly.

2132
01:40:27,532 --> 01:40:31,333
Speaker 12: You've talked said bee headlines with blue bubble taxis, it's

2133
01:40:31,532 --> 01:40:35,212
Speaker 12: no trouble with a blue bubble. Police have confirmed rescue

2134
01:40:35,293 --> 01:40:38,532
Speaker 12: teams are searching the base of mar Manganui for six

2135
01:40:38,692 --> 01:40:42,732
Speaker 12: people after a large landslide yesterday morning. Police are seeking

2136
01:40:42,812 --> 01:40:45,812
Speaker 12: the whereabouts of a further three, thought to be tourists

2137
01:40:46,053 --> 01:40:49,412
Speaker 12: who had already moved on, and Prime Minister Chris Luxon

2138
01:40:49,492 --> 01:40:52,972
Speaker 12: has been meeting with the families of those missing. Meanwhile,

2139
01:40:53,013 --> 01:40:55,812
Speaker 12: parts of the Coramandal they have plenty and Gisbon districts

2140
01:40:56,093 --> 01:40:59,372
Speaker 12: are still cut off following the extreme weather. Their are

2141
01:40:59,452 --> 01:41:03,133
Speaker 12: closures on State Highways two, twenty five and thirty five,

2142
01:41:03,532 --> 01:41:05,812
Speaker 12: and power is still out to just over two thousand

2143
01:41:05,973 --> 01:41:09,612
Speaker 12: homes and two people have been firm dead after the

2144
01:41:09,692 --> 01:41:14,412
Speaker 12: landslide on Papa More's Welcome Bay Road yesterday morning. A

2145
01:41:14,532 --> 01:41:18,013
Speaker 12: severe thunderstorm watch is in force of four parts of

2146
01:41:18,093 --> 01:41:23,732
Speaker 12: Canterbury until nine tonight. Political leaders are being formally welcomed

2147
01:41:23,812 --> 01:41:27,012
Speaker 12: at the Rata Napani huang Nui about Now, an event

2148
01:41:27,133 --> 01:41:30,532
Speaker 12: said to mark the start of the political year. Former

2149
01:41:30,652 --> 01:41:34,213
Speaker 12: players support Jamie Joseph for All Blacks coaching role. You

2150
01:41:34,293 --> 01:41:37,412
Speaker 12: can read more at inzid Herald Premium. Back to Matt

2151
01:41:37,452 --> 01:41:38,933
Speaker 12: Eath and Tyler Adams.

2152
01:41:39,612 --> 01:41:42,213
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. So we are talking

2153
01:41:42,253 --> 01:41:44,133
Speaker 3: about how much time to spend with your children. This

2154
01:41:44,253 --> 01:41:47,932
Speaker 3: is after our research that shows millennials spend a far

2155
01:41:48,053 --> 01:41:50,333
Speaker 3: more time with their children than previous generations. Is that

2156
01:41:50,412 --> 01:41:52,253
Speaker 3: a good thing? O? Eight one hundred and eighty ten Eightyes,

2157
01:41:52,253 --> 01:41:52,772
Speaker 3: and number.

2158
01:41:52,612 --> 01:41:55,013
Speaker 2: To call matt speaks the truth. Those swimming lessons for

2159
01:41:55,093 --> 01:41:57,492
Speaker 2: babies are torture. For dads, they are just a punishment

2160
01:41:58,532 --> 01:42:00,852
Speaker 2: Like Matthew. My entire friend groups is this other texter

2161
01:42:01,492 --> 01:42:04,452
Speaker 2: like Matthew, I like being called Matthew. My entire friend

2162
01:42:04,492 --> 01:42:07,052
Speaker 2: group of dads maybe ten all hate those swimming lessons,

2163
01:42:07,173 --> 01:42:10,772
Speaker 2: so loud, so hot, terrible on a hangover, Liz, you

2164
01:42:10,933 --> 01:42:13,532
Speaker 2: know nothing. Dads do that swimming because they think they

2165
01:42:13,572 --> 01:42:15,932
Speaker 2: are doing the right thing, or the mom has booked

2166
01:42:15,933 --> 01:42:18,893
Speaker 2: it in. It's horrible if I could go back and

2167
01:42:19,333 --> 01:42:21,812
Speaker 2: know what I know now, I never would have done them.

2168
01:42:22,293 --> 01:42:27,333
Speaker 2: And Paul says, geez, you guys talk rubbish. I love

2169
01:42:27,452 --> 01:42:29,812
Speaker 2: being in the pool with my sons, so when he

2170
01:42:30,053 --> 01:42:33,812
Speaker 2: was very young and learning to swim. Yeah, but what Paul,

2171
01:42:33,933 --> 01:42:36,492
Speaker 2: Everyone loves being in a pool with their kids. I'm

2172
01:42:36,532 --> 01:42:39,333
Speaker 2: saying that a lot of dads, every single dab I've

2173
01:42:39,372 --> 01:42:41,412
Speaker 2: ever talked to it. Apart from Paul, it would seem

2174
01:42:43,572 --> 01:42:46,173
Speaker 2: does not like going to a lesson and standing in

2175
01:42:46,213 --> 01:42:49,772
Speaker 2: a circle with four dads feeling really awkward as you

2176
01:42:49,893 --> 01:42:53,772
Speaker 2: sing these nursery rhymes about kids swimming. And then when

2177
01:42:53,812 --> 01:42:55,812
Speaker 2: you find out that they didn't learn anything from those

2178
01:42:55,812 --> 01:42:58,133
Speaker 2: swimming lessons anyway, because they are only six months, you go,

2179
01:42:58,572 --> 01:43:00,492
Speaker 2: what was I doing that? We could have been spending

2180
01:43:00,572 --> 01:43:01,812
Speaker 2: quality time at home with the.

2181
01:43:01,893 --> 01:43:05,092
Speaker 3: Whole family, could have been down at the beach. Yeah, Fiona,

2182
01:43:05,133 --> 01:43:05,492
Speaker 3: how are you?

2183
01:43:06,732 --> 01:43:07,013
Speaker 14: Thank you?

2184
01:43:07,133 --> 01:43:08,173
Speaker 1: How are you very good?

2185
01:43:08,412 --> 01:43:13,053
Speaker 3: So your husband and yourself, your gen x's we are yes.

2186
01:43:13,412 --> 01:43:16,772
Speaker 3: And did you have a preference or an idea on

2187
01:43:16,893 --> 01:43:19,692
Speaker 3: how much time you thought was the best to spend

2188
01:43:19,732 --> 01:43:20,253
Speaker 3: with your kids.

2189
01:43:21,532 --> 01:43:24,852
Speaker 10: Well, I wanted to go back to full time work

2190
01:43:25,452 --> 01:43:29,572
Speaker 10: when our child was quite young, and I did a

2191
01:43:29,612 --> 01:43:31,692
Speaker 10: lot of research because I felt like there was a

2192
01:43:31,732 --> 01:43:33,812
Speaker 10: lot of pressure to stay at home and there full

2193
01:43:33,853 --> 01:43:36,732
Speaker 10: time mom. And when I did the research, I found

2194
01:43:36,853 --> 01:43:41,053
Speaker 10: one absolutely amazing article that said, fifteen minutes quality time

2195
01:43:41,213 --> 01:43:44,333
Speaker 10: with your child every day is worth far more when

2196
01:43:44,333 --> 01:43:46,972
Speaker 10: you look at the long term outcomes than ten hours

2197
01:43:47,013 --> 01:43:49,692
Speaker 10: a day with a disengaged parent who'd rather be somewhere

2198
01:43:49,732 --> 01:43:52,253
Speaker 10: else or spend some time on their phone. And that

2199
01:43:52,893 --> 01:43:54,732
Speaker 10: really summed it up for me. And so I did

2200
01:43:54,812 --> 01:43:57,253
Speaker 10: go back to work, and we're now thirteen years in

2201
01:43:57,893 --> 01:44:01,892
Speaker 10: and we have a fantastic teenager and we're going away

2202
01:44:01,933 --> 01:44:04,293
Speaker 10: for the weekend camping now with our kay X. Because

2203
01:44:04,333 --> 01:44:05,173
Speaker 10: that's quality time.

2204
01:44:05,652 --> 01:44:08,293
Speaker 2: So when you say fifteen minutes quality time a day,

2205
01:44:09,253 --> 01:44:11,612
Speaker 2: what do I mean? I mentioned that you have managed

2206
01:44:11,652 --> 01:44:14,213
Speaker 2: to have more than fifteen minutes quality time, much more

2207
01:44:14,253 --> 01:44:17,972
Speaker 2: than that whilst working. But what do you mean exactly

2208
01:44:18,013 --> 01:44:18,972
Speaker 2: by quality time.

2209
01:44:19,973 --> 01:44:22,852
Speaker 10: Time when you're actually present and engaged with the child,

2210
01:44:22,933 --> 01:44:26,732
Speaker 10: So talking with the child, we eat dinner together every night,

2211
01:44:27,532 --> 01:44:30,972
Speaker 10: that that's a priority for us, you know, just getting

2212
01:44:31,013 --> 01:44:33,173
Speaker 10: out and doing stuff with them where you are actually

2213
01:44:33,253 --> 01:44:36,052
Speaker 10: focused on them, not just sitting around on a screen.

2214
01:44:36,372 --> 01:44:38,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's such a good point, and a

2215
01:44:38,372 --> 01:44:39,973
Speaker 2: bunch of people are texting through that same thing.

2216
01:44:40,013 --> 01:44:40,892
Speaker 3: It's quality time.

2217
01:44:41,333 --> 01:44:42,772
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean you could say, look on with

2218
01:44:43,013 --> 01:44:45,372
Speaker 2: my kids all the time, but you're just sitting doom

2219
01:44:45,452 --> 01:44:46,372
Speaker 2: scrolling in the corner.

2220
01:44:47,053 --> 01:44:48,852
Speaker 3: Then what what does that day?

2221
01:44:49,133 --> 01:44:52,532
Speaker 2: And if anything, you're teaching them a terrible lesson because

2222
01:44:52,812 --> 01:44:56,772
Speaker 2: actions speak louder than louder than words, that's right.

2223
01:44:56,853 --> 01:44:59,892
Speaker 10: And for us it was things, little things like reading

2224
01:44:59,933 --> 01:45:04,612
Speaker 10: a story every night at bedtime. You know, our daughter's

2225
01:45:04,612 --> 01:45:06,572
Speaker 10: been read to since she was in my tummy and

2226
01:45:06,732 --> 01:45:10,972
Speaker 10: she's an avid reader. Today is results, and yeah, that's

2227
01:45:11,053 --> 01:45:13,612
Speaker 10: quality time. You know, I'm involving her and what we're doing,

2228
01:45:13,732 --> 01:45:15,933
Speaker 10: getting her baking with us, getting her cooking with us,

2229
01:45:16,293 --> 01:45:17,732
Speaker 10: whatever it was when she was younger.

2230
01:45:18,013 --> 01:45:20,133
Speaker 2: I think that cooking with your kids is just such

2231
01:45:20,173 --> 01:45:22,213
Speaker 2: a good way, you know, and letting them make a mess,

2232
01:45:22,293 --> 01:45:24,892
Speaker 2: that's the thing, because it's so stressful how much mess

2233
01:45:24,933 --> 01:45:26,852
Speaker 2: they make. But you've got to you probably must. You

2234
01:45:26,933 --> 01:45:28,892
Speaker 2: must be a better reader than me because I read

2235
01:45:28,973 --> 01:45:31,452
Speaker 2: to my kids every single night when they were growing

2236
01:45:31,532 --> 01:45:33,253
Speaker 2: up to the point where I wake up and the

2237
01:45:33,452 --> 01:45:36,812
Speaker 2: bed you know, like you pass you start reading Harry

2238
01:45:36,853 --> 01:45:38,293
Speaker 2: Potter and you'd wake up and you'd just.

2239
01:45:38,293 --> 01:45:38,933
Speaker 3: Be where am I?

2240
01:45:39,492 --> 01:45:44,692
Speaker 2: You know, the kids asleep, but for some reason I'm

2241
01:45:44,692 --> 01:45:47,012
Speaker 2: struggling to make them read now. So it hasn't worked

2242
01:45:47,053 --> 01:45:50,852
Speaker 2: out as well. Funny and probably because you know, you

2243
01:45:50,973 --> 01:45:53,572
Speaker 2: read to the kids and then you know, then the

2244
01:45:53,652 --> 01:45:55,572
Speaker 2: next day you spend half the time trying to find

2245
01:45:55,612 --> 01:45:56,652
Speaker 2: the exact spot you got.

2246
01:45:56,572 --> 01:45:58,772
Speaker 3: To with the reading get up to.

2247
01:45:59,333 --> 01:45:59,532
Speaker 22: Yeah.

2248
01:45:59,652 --> 01:46:00,932
Speaker 3: No, but I think reading, reading.

2249
01:46:00,772 --> 01:46:03,452
Speaker 2: For your kids is so very very important if you

2250
01:46:03,492 --> 01:46:03,852
Speaker 2: can do it.

2251
01:46:04,133 --> 01:46:05,973
Speaker 3: I've got to say, I think the fondest memories I

2252
01:46:06,093 --> 01:46:09,093
Speaker 3: have of growing up is being read to. You know,

2253
01:46:09,173 --> 01:46:11,372
Speaker 3: some of those books like hearing McCleary. That is what

2254
01:46:11,452 --> 01:46:13,492
Speaker 3: I remember of Mum and Dad reading me those stories.

2255
01:46:13,492 --> 01:46:15,412
Speaker 3: I try and think about what else we did. That's

2256
01:46:15,452 --> 01:46:17,213
Speaker 3: a little bit more fuzzy, But the reading, I think

2257
01:46:17,253 --> 01:46:21,333
Speaker 3: that's a big one. Yes, Jay, Yeah, yeah, Fiona, thank

2258
01:46:21,372 --> 01:46:23,652
Speaker 3: you very much for giving us a buzz cool.

2259
01:46:23,853 --> 01:46:24,133
Speaker 1: Thank you.

2260
01:46:25,333 --> 01:46:27,013
Speaker 2: Well, sorry I cut you off. I'm thinks you're saying

2261
01:46:27,053 --> 01:46:27,572
Speaker 2: I have a good day.

2262
01:46:27,652 --> 01:46:29,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have a good day too, Fiona. Oh, eight

2263
01:46:29,692 --> 01:46:31,293
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2264
01:46:31,372 --> 01:46:34,253
Speaker 3: Lot's coming. It's coming through at the swimming so much.

2265
01:46:34,133 --> 01:46:38,173
Speaker 2: Support with me, for me and against Liz went to

2266
01:46:38,213 --> 01:46:40,892
Speaker 2: swimming lessons with my toddlers. Everyone out was the call

2267
01:46:41,572 --> 01:46:44,652
Speaker 2: when floaters were found all clear after skooping them out.

2268
01:46:44,692 --> 01:46:46,692
Speaker 3: How many co browns there would have been quite a few.

2269
01:46:47,973 --> 01:46:50,652
Speaker 3: It's right, yeah, well their infants, that's what they do, right,

2270
01:46:52,133 --> 01:46:56,253
Speaker 3: tough for the ball. Right, We'll be back very shortly.

2271
01:46:56,333 --> 01:46:58,812
Speaker 3: But taking your calls, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

2272
01:46:58,893 --> 01:47:01,173
Speaker 3: How much is too much time to spend with the kids.

2273
01:47:01,253 --> 01:47:02,133
Speaker 3: It's eighteen to four.

2274
01:47:02,933 --> 01:47:06,293
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2275
01:47:06,652 --> 01:47:10,732
Speaker 1: everything in between. Tyler Adams afternoons, used talks.

2276
01:47:10,772 --> 01:47:13,572
Speaker 3: It'd be afternoon to you. It is sixteen to four,

2277
01:47:13,772 --> 01:47:16,532
Speaker 3: and we're talking about a new study which shows millennials

2278
01:47:16,532 --> 01:47:19,933
Speaker 3: spend far more time with their children than previous generations.

2279
01:47:19,973 --> 01:47:22,012
Speaker 3: The question would put to you, is is that always

2280
01:47:22,053 --> 01:47:22,532
Speaker 3: a good thing?

2281
01:47:23,173 --> 01:47:23,253
Speaker 1: Oh?

2282
01:47:23,293 --> 01:47:24,932
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighties the number to call.

2283
01:47:25,492 --> 01:47:28,613
Speaker 2: This is a really good point. And I would absolutely

2284
01:47:28,732 --> 01:47:30,452
Speaker 2: say this to the kids. And so because I mean,

2285
01:47:30,973 --> 01:47:32,213
Speaker 2: for me, I want to spend more time with my

2286
01:47:32,293 --> 01:47:33,692
Speaker 2: Because it's not the question whether you want to spend

2287
01:47:33,692 --> 01:47:35,532
Speaker 2: more time with your kids. It's whether you can spend

2288
01:47:35,532 --> 01:47:37,333
Speaker 2: too much time with the kids, become a helicopter parent

2289
01:47:37,412 --> 01:47:37,532
Speaker 2: or what.

2290
01:47:37,732 --> 01:47:39,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's detrimental to them.

2291
01:47:39,372 --> 01:47:42,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've loved the time I've spent with

2292
01:47:42,732 --> 01:47:45,572
Speaker 2: my kids. It's for those humiliating pool circles I was

2293
01:47:45,612 --> 01:47:47,652
Speaker 2: talking about before, which is the punishment and don't do anything,

2294
01:47:47,732 --> 01:47:49,932
Speaker 2: but you know, give you a headache. It's good pers

2295
01:47:51,213 --> 01:47:53,333
Speaker 2: make the most of the time as once they hit sixteen,

2296
01:47:53,333 --> 01:47:54,933
Speaker 2: they want to hang out with their mates and not you.

2297
01:47:55,532 --> 01:47:58,853
Speaker 2: Geers Craig, Is that true, Yeah, it is. Yeah, that's

2298
01:48:00,133 --> 01:48:03,173
Speaker 2: that detachment that they have to do though. So you

2299
01:48:04,013 --> 01:48:06,293
Speaker 2: if you're a parent, obviously you put your kids before

2300
01:48:07,013 --> 01:48:09,572
Speaker 2: yourself on everything. I mean that's what a parent is. Yes,

2301
01:48:09,652 --> 01:48:13,293
Speaker 2: you know, if if you were in a situation of

2302
01:48:13,372 --> 01:48:15,333
Speaker 2: boat sinking, you were on there with the kid and

2303
01:48:15,372 --> 01:48:17,732
Speaker 2: you were an opportunity to put your kid on the

2304
01:48:17,772 --> 01:48:20,572
Speaker 2: boat and save the kid and you die, oh yeah,

2305
01:48:20,692 --> 01:48:22,532
Speaker 2: you'd do it. You'd be happy to do it, just

2306
01:48:22,652 --> 01:48:25,253
Speaker 2: because the opportunity came up to save your kid, right. Yeah,

2307
01:48:26,173 --> 01:48:28,293
Speaker 2: that's what that's the difference that you understand when you

2308
01:48:28,333 --> 01:48:32,532
Speaker 2: become a parent. But but the other and So the

2309
01:48:32,572 --> 01:48:34,213
Speaker 2: other thing is, as much as you want your kids

2310
01:48:34,253 --> 01:48:37,812
Speaker 2: to be around, you would feel terrible if they weren't

2311
01:48:37,853 --> 01:48:40,372
Speaker 2: ready to you know, if they're you worry if they're

2312
01:48:40,452 --> 01:48:43,093
Speaker 2: not just detaching from you as they reach their mid

2313
01:48:43,173 --> 01:48:45,652
Speaker 2: to late teens. Right, you need them to detach because

2314
01:48:45,652 --> 01:48:47,372
Speaker 2: you've made trying to make them competent for the world.

2315
01:48:47,772 --> 01:48:49,372
Speaker 2: You know, you want them to go out there and

2316
01:48:49,452 --> 01:48:52,213
Speaker 2: forge their own path, even if that means that you

2317
01:48:52,293 --> 01:48:54,173
Speaker 2: see them less and less and eventually they don't even

2318
01:48:54,213 --> 01:48:54,972
Speaker 2: visit you on Christmas.

2319
01:48:55,013 --> 01:48:58,173
Speaker 3: A lot of better sweetness about the exactly. Yeah, Sam,

2320
01:48:58,333 --> 01:48:59,772
Speaker 3: you want to have a chat about swimming early?

2321
01:49:01,133 --> 01:49:03,732
Speaker 20: Yeah, Hey, the first time call a long time. Listen.

2322
01:49:05,452 --> 01:49:07,852
Speaker 20: I just had to call and because I just couldn't

2323
01:49:07,853 --> 01:49:11,173
Speaker 20: stop cracking up about Matt's thing about the swimming, and

2324
01:49:11,253 --> 01:49:12,532
Speaker 20: I resonate so much with it.

2325
01:49:13,053 --> 01:49:14,452
Speaker 3: You can hear the trauma, can't you.

2326
01:49:15,253 --> 01:49:20,173
Speaker 20: Oh My boy is seven now, and we did the

2327
01:49:20,253 --> 01:49:22,213
Speaker 20: six month thing. Is six months we've got them make

2328
01:49:22,253 --> 01:49:27,053
Speaker 20: the lessons, and yet Sunday morning, humming, stinking and just

2329
01:49:27,173 --> 01:49:31,852
Speaker 20: basically surviving in that, in that human environment. And yeah,

2330
01:49:31,933 --> 01:49:33,612
Speaker 20: the torture that I have that in my memory.

2331
01:49:34,133 --> 01:49:35,973
Speaker 3: Do you remember the songs you remember, the.

2332
01:49:37,692 --> 01:49:38,812
Speaker 13: Not word for word, not.

2333
01:49:40,812 --> 01:49:42,572
Speaker 3: The swimmer, and the pool goes.

2334
01:49:44,732 --> 01:49:46,173
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you're rigging it all back.

2335
01:49:46,572 --> 01:49:50,412
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the highest pitch everyone talking in the pool. The

2336
01:49:51,013 --> 01:49:53,333
Speaker 2: acoustics is the highest pitch sound you've ever heard in

2337
01:49:53,372 --> 01:49:54,452
Speaker 2: your life, and so loud.

2338
01:49:54,772 --> 01:49:57,253
Speaker 3: Sorry Sam, you continue, And all the.

2339
01:49:57,333 --> 01:50:00,452
Speaker 20: Fathers just like side eyeing, like who's actually singing?

2340
01:50:00,492 --> 01:50:02,133
Speaker 7: Who's reading? Are you?

2341
01:50:02,333 --> 01:50:03,492
Speaker 11: Just like oh god?

2342
01:50:03,732 --> 01:50:05,452
Speaker 1: And then and then, but then you do have the

2343
01:50:05,532 --> 01:50:06,973
Speaker 1: fathers that are ride into it.

2344
01:50:07,093 --> 01:50:08,253
Speaker 14: You know they're right into it.

2345
01:50:08,412 --> 01:50:10,973
Speaker 7: You know they're a non drink.

2346
01:50:14,253 --> 01:50:14,612
Speaker 14: Anyway.

2347
01:50:14,732 --> 01:50:18,333
Speaker 20: So but one thing, the thing is with my daughter.

2348
01:50:18,452 --> 01:50:20,452
Speaker 20: So that was six and a half years ago. With

2349
01:50:20,652 --> 01:50:23,452
Speaker 20: my daughter, she's two years old now, and I chose

2350
01:50:23,492 --> 01:50:26,692
Speaker 20: the path of not doing those lessons based on that, right,

2351
01:50:27,452 --> 01:50:31,612
Speaker 20: and one thing she doesn't do now she's two, So

2352
01:50:31,732 --> 01:50:33,333
Speaker 20: there's a year and a half she hasn't been in

2353
01:50:33,412 --> 01:50:36,012
Speaker 20: the pool. We take her ourselves as parents, as a family,

2354
01:50:36,093 --> 01:50:39,253
Speaker 20: you know, but it's tricky to get the teaching of

2355
01:50:39,372 --> 01:50:42,892
Speaker 20: the water safety, like entering the water, that sort of stuff.

2356
01:50:42,973 --> 01:50:45,013
Speaker 20: Not being an Olympic swimmer or anything. I know, that

2357
01:50:45,133 --> 01:50:48,013
Speaker 20: doesn't come from six months. But the awareness and the

2358
01:50:48,973 --> 01:50:51,852
Speaker 20: continuity every Sunday, my son got real.

2359
01:50:53,093 --> 01:50:56,612
Speaker 2: Yes, so my son like so he went on to

2360
01:50:57,293 --> 01:50:59,213
Speaker 2: swim and swim and swim and swim and swim, and

2361
01:50:59,293 --> 01:51:01,452
Speaker 2: we enrolled them in lessons and he's an incredible swimmer.

2362
01:51:01,492 --> 01:51:03,692
Speaker 2: Now I can swim as one of them can swim

2363
01:51:03,732 --> 01:51:05,532
Speaker 2: as far as you want. The other one's great swimmer

2364
01:51:05,532 --> 01:51:07,732
Speaker 2: as well. I'm just talking about that. But that doesn't

2365
01:51:07,732 --> 01:51:10,772
Speaker 2: I don't think that that that that first year doesn't.

2366
01:51:11,173 --> 01:51:12,692
Speaker 2: That's not what taught them to swim. I had to

2367
01:51:12,812 --> 01:51:15,812
Speaker 2: enroll them in lessons much later on to teach them

2368
01:51:15,853 --> 01:51:18,733
Speaker 2: how to swim, because it's absolutely imperative.

2369
01:51:18,333 --> 01:51:19,253
Speaker 3: You teach them how to swim.

2370
01:51:19,612 --> 01:51:24,133
Speaker 2: I just don't think hungover parents holding six months old

2371
01:51:25,133 --> 01:51:27,932
Speaker 2: in a circle is how you teach them to swim.

2372
01:51:28,173 --> 01:51:30,132
Speaker 3: But you've got to teach them to swim at one point, Sam.

2373
01:51:31,692 --> 01:51:34,732
Speaker 20: Absolutely, And then when we continued the swimming lessons for

2374
01:51:34,853 --> 01:51:38,692
Speaker 20: my son, the attention span definitely disappears. And then it's

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Speaker 20: just dolphin dives. It's just dolphin dives. And you just

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Speaker 20: see the frustration on the teacher because you're no longer

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Speaker 20: in the pool.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and then it's just.

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Speaker 20: Like, okay, we need to take a step back there.

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Speaker 3: Good on you, Sam, think you for your call. What

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Speaker 3: a good man. Right, We've got to take a quick break,

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Speaker 3: but when we come back we have a chat with Lynn,

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Speaker 3: who's been seeing a lot of dads around with the

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Speaker 3: young kids, but not so many mums, so this will

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Speaker 3: be interesting. That's coming up next. It is eleven to four.

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Speaker 1: The Big Stories, the Big Issues and everything in it

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01:52:08,853 --> 01:52:11,652
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tayler Adams afternoons.

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01:52:11,253 --> 01:52:15,772
Speaker 3: USTALKZBB News Talks there be it is eight to four.

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01:52:15,933 --> 01:52:18,173
Speaker 3: Plenty of texts coming through on nine to nine two,

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01:52:18,933 --> 01:52:22,612
Speaker 3: But let's go to Lynn. Get a Lynn. Hi, guys,

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Speaker 3: how are you very good? So tell us about what

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01:52:25,412 --> 01:52:26,812
Speaker 3: you saw in mine to ten?

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Speaker 19: Oh.

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Speaker 9: I wasn't going to give the advertising, but yeah, I

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01:52:32,652 --> 01:52:34,852
Speaker 9: was sat there in a corner having a nice mocker

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Speaker 9: and a cheese scorn. Lovely I could see one after

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Speaker 9: the other after the other. I don't know if it

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Speaker 9: was a group outing or not, but it was just

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Speaker 9: so lovely to see these dads coming in with their kids,

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01:52:48,333 --> 01:52:50,812
Speaker 9: you know, holding a hand, or a couple in the

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01:52:50,973 --> 01:52:55,452
Speaker 9: trolley going along and just enjoying themselves. There were no

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01:52:55,692 --> 01:52:59,973
Speaker 9: riots or anything, or screams or misbehaviors. You know, it

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01:53:00,133 --> 01:53:03,692
Speaker 9: was just nice to see them out. And whether it's

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01:53:03,732 --> 01:53:06,692
Speaker 9: a great place to take them for a distraction or not,

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Speaker 9: I don't know. But it was so noticeable that it

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01:53:11,173 --> 01:53:12,932
Speaker 9: was dads and not mums today.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Well the stats seem to back that up

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01:53:17,372 --> 01:53:21,052
Speaker 2: in the study that it is a huge, huge growth

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Speaker 2: in the amount of time that dads are spending with

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Speaker 2: their kids. It's a little bit of a growth in mums,

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Speaker 2: but a huge growth in dads when it comes to millennials. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: taking kids to how we stare though. I still always

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01:53:30,532 --> 01:53:32,612
Speaker 2: think my kids loved it, but then they recently said

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Speaker 2: to me, oh god, when dad would go, when you'd go,

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01:53:35,452 --> 01:53:37,333
Speaker 2: we're going on missions, I knew it would be just

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Speaker 2: following you around aisles and hardware store for hours.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not fun until year about thirty miles. I mean,

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01:53:43,372 --> 01:53:46,972
Speaker 3: it's crazy fun now, but kids ate it around.

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01:53:47,053 --> 01:53:51,053
Speaker 2: I'm spending too much time with your kids. Whether you

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01:53:51,213 --> 01:53:54,652
Speaker 2: can depends on their age. Newborn babies toddler is very

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01:53:54,652 --> 01:53:57,852
Speaker 2: important to protect the mother baby. Dad's strong dad protects

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01:53:57,893 --> 01:54:00,452
Speaker 2: babies a middler have at campus, et cetera, from growing

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Speaker 2: too large before they are able to regulate themselves. Toddlers

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Speaker 2: to twelve USh years be a touchdown, thirteen years beyond

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01:54:07,412 --> 01:54:09,532
Speaker 2: be a mentor a true Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So just reading their back again. So when their toddler's infants,

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01:54:13,293 --> 01:54:16,652
Speaker 3: there's actually physical brain development that is important that is

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Speaker 3: happening when you're a physical presence, including well.

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Speaker 2: There's all these studies that if a baby is it's

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01:54:21,412 --> 01:54:23,013
Speaker 2: growing up, and I think about what is it the

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01:54:23,093 --> 01:54:28,173
Speaker 2: first first thousand days something like that, that there's two states.

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Speaker 2: If they feel very safe and protected and love, they

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Speaker 2: become a certain type of individual. If they don't, if

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01:54:33,613 --> 01:54:36,012
Speaker 2: they feel panicky and scared and all these kind of things,

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Speaker 2: then they become become a sort of a fighter, yes,

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Speaker 2: because they feel like they're going to have to look

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01:54:40,893 --> 01:54:43,493
Speaker 2: after themselves. So, you know, you want your kids to

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01:54:43,533 --> 01:54:47,012
Speaker 2: feel very love and secured, loved and secured and safe.

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Speaker 2: But the argument is that they also need to spend

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Speaker 2: some time on their own to become independent and competent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense.

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01:54:53,573 --> 01:54:56,013
Speaker 2: So that's what Jonathan Hight's talking about. You know, let

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01:54:56,093 --> 01:54:57,812
Speaker 2: them walk down to the dairy by themselves. The more

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01:54:57,893 --> 01:55:01,573
Speaker 2: time they can be independent without their parents, the more

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Speaker 2: competent they become.

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01:55:02,812 --> 01:55:06,012
Speaker 3: And the more resilient they've come in later life builds confidence. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: a couple more texts coming through on nine ninety two.

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01:55:10,693 --> 01:55:13,733
Speaker 3: That's a good one there. Forget about helicopter parenting even

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01:55:13,812 --> 01:55:17,693
Speaker 3: worsus lawn mower parenting, where parents do everything and everything

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01:55:18,053 --> 01:55:21,173
Speaker 3: for the kids, never let them fail, and it's always

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Speaker 3: everyone else's fault if they aren't successful or give their

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01:55:24,173 --> 01:55:26,892
Speaker 3: teachers a hard time if their kids are failing school.

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Speaker 3: Law my apparenting. Haven't heard that phrase, but so true.

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Speaker 3: So what is lawnmower parenting? Helicopter ya the chopper always

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01:55:34,693 --> 01:55:36,453
Speaker 3: above them? Law Mowen. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: What as Lord Moer parenting, Well, he's kind of explained it,

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01:55:41,973 --> 01:55:43,093
Speaker 2: but it's gone past me.

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Speaker 3: Lawn mower parenting. I don't want to be one of those.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're always I don't know, I don't know

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Speaker 3: how the analogy works.

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Speaker 2: Law my parenting is also known as snowplow or bulldozer

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01:55:52,973 --> 01:55:56,493
Speaker 2: parenting as a style where parents proactively intervene to remove

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01:55:56,653 --> 01:56:00,453
Speaker 2: all potential obstacles or struggles or sources of discomfort from

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01:56:00,493 --> 01:56:03,493
Speaker 2: their child's path. This is distinct from helicopter parenting, which

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Speaker 2: involves hovering as a lawn my parent actively mows down

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01:56:07,013 --> 01:56:10,012
Speaker 2: challenges to sure their child as a smooth, easy journey

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Speaker 2: through life.

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Speaker 3: Ah nice. It's so hard to not be a lawn

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Speaker 3: my parent.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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01:56:14,973 --> 01:56:17,373
Speaker 2: It's so hard if your kid asks for something to

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01:56:17,493 --> 01:56:21,333
Speaker 2: not give it to them, if to build resilience, I

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01:56:21,413 --> 01:56:23,413
Speaker 2: think not being a lawn my parent in this day

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Speaker 2: and ages is the real challenge.

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Speaker 3: Take some discipline. That's a great, great text, very good right,

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Speaker 3: that was a great discussion. Thank you to everyone who

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01:56:31,733 --> 01:56:33,373
Speaker 3: text and called on that one.

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Speaker 2: And that brings us the end of the week for

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Speaker 2: Matt and Tyler afternoons, and thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: Have a great weekends. The fantastic Ryan bridges up next. Yep,

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Speaker 2: But Tyler, tell me why am I playing the Songsters

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01:56:52,133 --> 01:56:54,253
Speaker 2: stoogeses now?

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01:56:54,373 --> 01:56:56,812
Speaker 3: I want to be your dog because we had a

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01:56:56,853 --> 01:56:59,533
Speaker 3: fantastic chat about what to do if you're ever on

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01:56:59,613 --> 01:57:02,093
Speaker 3: the receiving end of getting bitten by a nari dog.

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01:57:02,293 --> 01:57:02,812
Speaker 3: Great Rose.

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Speaker 2: And also because Aggie Popp is touring the country at

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Speaker 2: the moment. He is in Topau in the twenty fourth,

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Speaker 2: twenty sixth and for the Anger and Auckland and the

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Speaker 2: twenty ninth and Wonnaker on the thirty fourst How Goods

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: How Good See you next week.

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