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Speaker 1: Gale Downey is our UK correspondent. Correspondent A Gail.

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Speaker 2: Hi there, did you?

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Speaker 1: I mean yesterday Justin Welby was holding firm and then

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Speaker 1: whoop is gone. Did you see that coming?

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Speaker 2: No? I didn't see it coming, except the fact that

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Speaker 2: the archbishop in Newcastle was on television and giving interviews

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Speaker 2: saying he should resign and log behold he now has resigned,

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Speaker 2: so that's finally come about.

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Speaker 1: But he needed to, Gail, didn't he. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're found to absolutely have not told the police as

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Speaker 1: soon as you possibly can that there's somebody out there

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Speaker 1: who's doing bad things to kids and you're in his position,

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Speaker 1: it's completely untenable, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well. The Independent Review, which has now been published hence

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Speaker 2: how this has all come about, did say that if

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Speaker 2: the Archbishop Justin Wilby and the other church officers had

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Speaker 2: reported all of this to the police in the UK

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Speaker 2: and in South Africa, where John Smith was also working

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Speaker 2: at the time, he could have been brought to justice

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Speaker 2: at a much earlier point. Instead, he carried on abusing

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Speaker 2: boys while in South Africa until his death in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: His abuse was first reported back in the UK in

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Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties, and the review says that those given

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Speaker 2: the report participated in an active cover up. So it's

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Speaker 2: taken a while for this to come out. There was

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Speaker 2: a television documentary investigation into him in twenty seventeen and

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Speaker 2: at the time the Archbishop of Canterbury did apologize, but

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Speaker 2: he didn't resign. But now there's been pressure on him,

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Speaker 2: not just from the Newcastle Bishop but from others in

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Speaker 2: the church as well, and he's now stood down.

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Speaker 1: Gone right. Why is it that Netwisk Banking Group has

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Speaker 1: blocked the WhatsApp and the Facebook messengering, the Skype and

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Speaker 1: all that stuff from the company devices.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's an interesting one, isn't it. Because they're not

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Speaker 2: the first to do it. Some government departments have actually

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Speaker 2: stopped people use these as private ways to contact their

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Speaker 2: colleagues and talk about business matters. The reason being, of course,

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Speaker 2: because the problem is these messages via Facebook, Messenger, WhatsApps,

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Speaker 2: Gype can be difficult to retrieve and they can actually disappear,

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Speaker 2: and of course if you're discussing business matters, financial matters,

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Speaker 2: that's not kind of open and transparent. If you remember

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Speaker 2: in the UK COVID inquiry that revealed that WhatsApp messages

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Speaker 2: have been deleted by government officials and ministers during the pandemic,

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Speaker 2: including the then Prime Minister Boris Johnson. So NatWest really

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Speaker 2: is going along what a lot of other organizations are

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Speaker 2: doing and saying, you know, only use approved channels for

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Speaker 2: communicating about business matters, whether internally or externally.

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Speaker 1: Gail, it's good to talk to you mate. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, Gail Downie, our UK correspondent.

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