1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: We've got next steps in our roads National Significance program, 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: everything from the Northern Spressway to the second amount VIC 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: and terrorist tunnels. We've got one point two billion set aside, 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: six hundred and seventy five million for consenting and design. 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: We've got a bit of a half a billion to 6 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: buy up the property. Chris Bishop is the Transport Minister 7 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: back with this morning. Those budgets. How locked in are they? 8 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: I mean how open to creep are they? 9 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: So the Transport Agency has taken a very conservative approach 10 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: to the budgets. They're what's called the P ninety five 11 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: rather than P fifty, which technically means they're a lot 12 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: more confident in the confidence around the numbers than they 13 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: are with a P fifty. So they've done quite a 14 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: bit of work and it's they're conservative, but there's no 15 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: doubt that their expensive projects. 16 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: Mike, Okay about that. How long's this stage? 17 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: So what's happening now as we're going through a prioritization 18 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: exercise as a government. We've now got all of the 19 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: investment cases and we're going to go through a bit 20 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: of a process of the government of working out you 21 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: know what the sort of rough order of sequences. You 22 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: can't build everything all at once, and we've always said that, 23 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: you know, the seventeen around the Cunt. We've got public 24 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: transport projects too, like the Northwestern Busway in Auckland. We've 25 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: got to think about airport to Botany busway we've got 26 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: to think about as well. So we can't build them 27 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: all at once. We want to make sure there's a 28 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: regional spread. Some are readier than others, to be honest, 29 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: Like if you think about Cambridge to Puranity for example, 30 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: that's the extension of the way Kado Expressway that just 31 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: got its consent. That project's been worked on for you know, 32 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: either better part of a decade to be honest, that 33 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 2: project's you know, coming ready for construction. Others are a 34 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: few years away. 35 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: To be found, That Northern Expressway has got to be 36 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: ready to go. You cannot have a donkey track into 37 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: Northland as a region, can you. 38 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: Oh, the Northern Expressways in procurement right now. So so 39 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: stage one Walkworth to Welsford, that's in procurement right now. 40 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: We're expecting to turn aside on that next year, so 41 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: that will start construction next year. 42 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: So there are significance within significance is what I'm finding 43 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: out here, because you can't do Why can't we do 44 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: it all at once? Is there a labor pipeline issue here? 45 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: Well, you can't do it all at once because there's 46 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 2: a couple of reasons. One is just the market capacity, 47 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: and then secondly is just the funding and financing of 48 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: these things. So you break them up into stages. So 49 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: we've broken Northland into three stages, and even within one 50 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: of them there's sort of two bits. You think about 51 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: the kind of expressway that took twenty years, right, we 52 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 2: didn't do all that, or didn't do that all at once. 53 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: We started at one end and we kept going and 54 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: now we're likely to do the next section. So we'll 55 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: finish up in Pearity. And you know, think about the 56 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: Catholic express Away in Wellington. You know that started back 57 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: in twenty ten, twenty eleven. From memory, we're still doing 58 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: the next bit of it. It just takes time to 59 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: build these things. I am impatient as you are, Mike. 60 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: It does talk as you are. 61 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: Guy who does my coffee machine was round at my 62 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: house yesterday. He goes to Russia, right, He says, what 63 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: they do in Russia is they close the place down 64 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: over the weekend, literally close it down, and they flood 65 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: the place with people and they put a new road 66 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: and then by Monday there's a new road. That's what 67 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: they do in Russia. 68 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 2: Well, they might have some labour, little difficulties in Russia. 69 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: We don't have in New Zealand. But I get your point. 70 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: And look, I'm as impatient as you are, and I 71 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: keep saying to the Transport agency that we've got to 72 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: try and speed these things up. You know, we don't 73 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: need bells and whistles, we don't need gold plating. We 74 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: just need to build some roads. They just need to 75 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: be simple, simply designed, you know, low cost as much 76 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: as possible, and just get on with it. And that's 77 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: what we're doing. And that to be fair, these business 78 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: cases that they've done, some of these business cases used 79 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: to take three four years. They've done them in eighteen. 80 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: That was my next question. So you can point to, 81 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: because you'll need to an election year next year, you 82 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: can point to a process that is materially faster and 83 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: more efficient than it used to be. 84 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,119 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, these things used to take three four five years. 85 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: I mean remember light rail. I mean we never got 86 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 2: out of the business case. 87 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: There was, though no one took that seriously. I mean, 88 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: you're aper government, you're serious people. I'm expecting some progress here. 89 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we've got Oteching and Levin started, We've got 90 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: maling started, We've we've got the Takatimu North Link is 91 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: in construction right now and they've got a whole range 92 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: of projects that are being built right now. I've got 93 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: a whole range coming to market in the next year 94 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: or two which will start start construction on. 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