WEBVTT - Ethically Kate: How ethics fit into your health 0:00:05.761 --> 0:00:09.721 You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks. 0:00:13.001 --> 0:00:51.361 Jacomo demands start and Empire's. 0:00:37.721 --> 0:00:40.201 Welcome back to the Welcome back to the show. This 0:00:40.241 --> 0:00:42.241 is the week in Collective and Beverage. By the way, 0:00:42.921 --> 0:00:45.841 fascinating chat actually with our callers as well and some 0:00:45.921 --> 0:00:47.681 of the texts coming in, but our interviews with a 0:00:47.761 --> 0:00:50.961 mart Mature they're on the on the Fiums publition orders 0:00:51.281 --> 0:00:54.721 and also our chat with Jeffrey Miller the around you know, 0:00:54.761 --> 0:01:00.641 what's the way back for the Europe Ukraine USA relations 0:01:00.681 --> 0:01:02.281 and who's going to be the conduit for that and 0:01:02.321 --> 0:01:05.361 how it's how's it going to end? It is? It's complex, 0:01:05.441 --> 0:01:07.961 it's a little frightening but also fascinating at the same time, 0:01:08.001 --> 0:01:09.961 isn't it. So you can check it out by going 0:01:10.001 --> 0:01:13.241 and listen to our podcast and the News Talks at 0:01:13.281 --> 0:01:15.761 the website, just look for the Weekend Collective so you 0:01:15.761 --> 0:01:17.441 can check that out. But right now, welcome to the 0:01:17.481 --> 0:01:20.881 health Hub and so slightly different change of pace. We 0:01:20.921 --> 0:01:22.481 have a new guest as well on the health Hub 0:01:22.481 --> 0:01:27.881 today and it's in connection with the popularity of ethical 0:01:28.001 --> 0:01:32.001 and sustainable lifestyles which has been on steady rise for 0:01:32.281 --> 0:01:36.241 years now, and more broadly speaking on the health front, 0:01:36.281 --> 0:01:37.961 I guess it's how we eat and the sort of 0:01:38.001 --> 0:01:41.961 products that we use. More cynically speaking, you want to 0:01:42.001 --> 0:01:44.441 avoid products are actually not safe for you either, regardless 0:01:44.441 --> 0:01:46.961 of the environment. But it also there's the potential that 0:01:47.921 --> 0:01:51.281 it could be out of reach for people because either 0:01:51.321 --> 0:01:53.561 they don't understand what it takes to sort of make 0:01:53.601 --> 0:01:57.801 ethical choices around your living, or they can't afford it. 0:01:57.841 --> 0:01:59.881 There's a great quote in My Fair Lady, which is 0:02:00.121 --> 0:02:05.481 an old West End Broadway musical, where Eliza doolittle father 0:02:05.681 --> 0:02:07.921 at the dustman Alfred Doolittle, who's a bit of a 0:02:08.001 --> 0:02:14.681 sort of pub philosopher. He gets he basically asks is asked, 0:02:14.921 --> 0:02:17.521 don't you have any morals? That's right? He says something 0:02:17.521 --> 0:02:19.241 a little bit cheeky, and one of the characters says, 0:02:19.241 --> 0:02:20.961 goodness me, man, don't you have any morals? And he 0:02:21.001 --> 0:02:24.281 goes morals, God, No, I can't afford them. Actually think 0:02:24.561 --> 0:02:28.001 it can be a little bit like that at times. Anyway, 0:02:28.001 --> 0:02:31.721 to discuss these issues, Kate Hall is the founder of 0:02:31.721 --> 0:02:34.641 Ethically Kate, and she's joining us to discuss how you 0:02:34.681 --> 0:02:39.681 can approach your life and your health ethically, and she 0:02:39.761 --> 0:02:43.561 joins me, Now, Kate, Hello, Hi Tim, how did you 0:02:43.561 --> 0:02:46.041 get involved in? How did you get involved in the 0:02:46.041 --> 0:02:46.881 whole ethical thing? 0:02:48.081 --> 0:02:51.481 So it first started when I was thinking about ethical fashion. 0:02:51.641 --> 0:02:55.761 So about twenty fifteen, I watched a documentary called The 0:02:55.801 --> 0:03:01.561 True Cost. And I wasn't really someone who overshopped at Maul's. 0:03:01.561 --> 0:03:03.441 That wasn't a place I love spending time in. But 0:03:03.481 --> 0:03:06.361 I hadn't really looked at my clothes came from what 0:03:06.401 --> 0:03:09.041 they were made from, and ask questions like that. So 0:03:09.121 --> 0:03:12.681 after watching that documentary, I thought, Oh my goodness, you know, 0:03:12.681 --> 0:03:15.321 we're all wearing clothes. Where do my clothes come from? 0:03:15.441 --> 0:03:16.041 Where we go? 0:03:16.801 --> 0:03:19.241 Yeah, all those types of things, and I think you 0:03:19.361 --> 0:03:22.001 kind of can't really ask that question about your clothes 0:03:22.001 --> 0:03:24.601 without then asking, okay, what about my food? What about 0:03:24.641 --> 0:03:27.481 O water? And it just kind of snowballed from there. 0:03:27.521 --> 0:03:27.721 Really. 0:03:28.121 --> 0:03:30.681 Yeah, actually, the fashion thing, I mean, it's it's sort 0:03:30.681 --> 0:03:32.281 of that we have an overlap with health and then 0:03:32.321 --> 0:03:34.441 we get outside the health sort of aspect. But I 0:03:34.441 --> 0:03:36.681 remember when I saw the headline around or you know, 0:03:36.721 --> 0:03:41.241 the first news stories about the problems I think it 0:03:41.321 --> 0:03:43.481 was to do with it came from probably somebody pointing 0:03:43.481 --> 0:03:45.521 out that the red there's this sort of red carpet 0:03:45.601 --> 0:03:48.201 hypocrisy where everyone gets up in these amazing gowns and 0:03:48.241 --> 0:03:52.241 things and talk. But at one stage they'll be talking about, 0:03:52.281 --> 0:03:54.401 you know, how to treat the planet ethically and stuff. 0:03:54.401 --> 0:03:57.681 And then yet the fashion industry itself is responsible for 0:03:57.841 --> 0:04:00.641 actually huge amount of wastage and landfill and all sorts 0:04:00.641 --> 0:04:01.321 of things, isn't it. 0:04:01.841 --> 0:04:05.361 Oh? Absolutely, I mean we're also it's something I meant 0:04:05.441 --> 0:04:08.281 similar to the food industry. We are all part of it, 0:04:08.361 --> 0:04:10.481 you know, whether we care about what we're wearing or not. 0:04:11.361 --> 0:04:15.081 We wear clothes at some point in our day, and 0:04:15.561 --> 0:04:19.521 it's you know, it's we're talking about the social impacts, 0:04:19.601 --> 0:04:21.321 you know, the people who make it. I think that 0:04:21.521 --> 0:04:24.841 is a health concern when you think about the you know, 0:04:24.881 --> 0:04:28.561 they say that you can tell what trend, what colors 0:04:28.601 --> 0:04:30.361 are on trend, when you look at the color of 0:04:30.441 --> 0:04:33.281 river Weys in certain parts of the world, which is 0:04:33.281 --> 0:04:36.681 pretty devastating, and think about, yeah, the fumes from all 0:04:36.721 --> 0:04:38.761 the toxic chemicals. A lot of our clothes are made 0:04:38.761 --> 0:04:43.121 from plastic polyester these days. And then there's you know, yeah, 0:04:43.281 --> 0:04:47.081 there's a there's a human there's social, there's environmental parts 0:04:47.081 --> 0:04:50.081 to it, and honestly, I feel like even when you 0:04:50.121 --> 0:04:52.961 know watching that documentary, the true cost and reading and 0:04:53.001 --> 0:04:56.201 learning so much since sometimes you know that's the stuff 0:04:56.281 --> 0:04:58.721 we know about it too, but there's so much that's 0:04:58.801 --> 0:05:02.841 just not transparent and not traceable, and so I hate 0:05:02.881 --> 0:05:06.001 to think of the actual devastations and impact that you 0:05:06.041 --> 0:05:08.601 know just aren't recorded and what that's going to do 0:05:08.721 --> 0:05:09.721 to us long term. 0:05:09.801 --> 0:05:12.361 Did you start so? You? I gather you so you 0:05:12.401 --> 0:05:14.201 sort of started from the etheric point of view looking 0:05:14.241 --> 0:05:17.841 at clothes and the fashion industry. How far did you? 0:05:17.961 --> 0:05:20.561 I mean, because obviously we're a company like ethically, Kate, 0:05:21.921 --> 0:05:24.721 you must have some guilty pleasures, I'm guessing where you're like, 0:05:24.761 --> 0:05:27.441 h but how did you extend that from the fashion 0:05:27.921 --> 0:05:30.361 industry to making other choices in your life that were 0:05:30.881 --> 0:05:31.681 around ethics? 0:05:32.921 --> 0:05:36.521 Yes, so my philosophy has always been do what you 0:05:36.561 --> 0:05:39.081 can and do not do it perfectly, because otherwise you're 0:05:39.081 --> 0:05:41.041 going to fail if you have you set up with 0:05:41.121 --> 0:05:45.441 that intent. So I guess everything I've I've learned, I've 0:05:45.481 --> 0:05:49.161 done quite slowly and thoughtfully to make sure that it 0:05:49.241 --> 0:05:52.081 is instilled as a habit and a value and a 0:05:52.121 --> 0:05:56.121 core belief rather than you know, a moment that I'll 0:05:56.601 --> 0:05:58.841 kind of just catch onto that trend because I watched 0:05:58.841 --> 0:06:02.441 that documentary and it will you know, when it becomes hard, 0:06:02.441 --> 0:06:03.241 I'll stop doing it. 0:06:03.481 --> 0:06:03.761 Yeah. 0:06:03.801 --> 0:06:09.321 So I've always given myself and my readers and listeners 0:06:09.441 --> 0:06:12.481 may work a lot of grace because you know, it's 0:06:12.801 --> 0:06:15.401 I believe it's a privilege to live within your values. 0:06:15.841 --> 0:06:18.121 And you talked about, you know, the expense of it, 0:06:18.201 --> 0:06:22.361 but there's also the convenience of it. I think I 0:06:22.441 --> 0:06:24.641 can bust if you missed around the expense. 0:06:26.041 --> 0:06:30.201 Well, actually, I think because but I would say that 0:06:30.281 --> 0:06:34.881 the shift to an ethical choices around clothing is actually 0:06:34.921 --> 0:06:38.281 one of those ones where actually it is financially an 0:06:38.281 --> 0:06:41.361 easier decision to make, because I mean, I've for instance, 0:06:41.401 --> 0:06:43.721 I was involved in a concert last night when one 0:06:43.761 --> 0:06:48.921 of my guests dressed absolutely stunningly, but all her outfits 0:06:49.081 --> 0:06:53.281 were recycled, and you know, she was boasting about how 0:06:53.281 --> 0:06:56.681 little her seemingly thousands and thousands of dollars of outfits 0:06:56.681 --> 0:07:00.001 and gosp but in fact that, in fact, that's probably 0:07:00.001 --> 0:07:02.761 the first change you can make, is with just the 0:07:02.841 --> 0:07:04.321 choices you make on clothing isn't it. 0:07:05.121 --> 0:07:08.641 Absolutely. I think I was a student back in twenty 0:07:08.641 --> 0:07:11.841 fifteen when I first thought, okay, I want to know 0:07:11.841 --> 0:07:15.361 who made my clothes before I purchased something. It was 0:07:15.441 --> 0:07:19.801 really hard to look at a seventy dollars organic cotton, 0:07:20.121 --> 0:07:24.521 fairly made black tank top single it from Koto, and 0:07:24.601 --> 0:07:27.081 then look at a mall and find one that's seven 0:07:27.121 --> 0:07:31.921 dollars And it was a hard decision. But that tank top. 0:07:31.961 --> 0:07:35.321 I still have the seventy dollars one, the. 0:07:35.281 --> 0:07:38.961 Seventy dollars one, and you know that's ten years ago 0:07:39.441 --> 0:07:43.281 and I've worn a lot. Cost per wear is probably 0:07:43.401 --> 0:07:45.681 much lower than if I had bought that seven dollars 0:07:45.721 --> 0:07:46.561 one from the mall. 0:07:47.081 --> 0:07:50.121 Yeah, because because I lasted five seconds and then you 0:07:50.121 --> 0:07:51.801 would have thrown it out and then we go exactly. 0:07:52.201 --> 0:07:55.881 But also that thing about it, sorry, carry on, all right. 0:07:56.401 --> 0:07:59.361 I paid money for it, so I invested in it, 0:07:59.521 --> 0:08:01.321 so therefore I'm going to care for it better. I'm 0:08:01.361 --> 0:08:04.121 going to repair it if it needs repairing. If it's broken, 0:08:04.201 --> 0:08:06.761 it's been very hearty and doesn't need that, but I'm 0:08:06.801 --> 0:08:10.281 going to wash it carefully and actually follow care instructions. 0:08:10.521 --> 0:08:12.641 So I think when we buy cheap clothing, we just 0:08:12.681 --> 0:08:15.801 think of it like a disposable kind of snakeskin, you know, 0:08:15.881 --> 0:08:19.361 that we can just shed and replace and just kind 0:08:19.361 --> 0:08:22.401 of not think about it like we do with bigger 0:08:22.441 --> 0:08:25.721 appliances or bigger investments. So cost per bear I talk 0:08:25.761 --> 0:08:29.161 about a lot, because that's when sustainable fashion actually becomes 0:08:29.561 --> 0:08:32.681 far more affordable, because firstly, you're probably not buying it 0:08:32.721 --> 0:08:34.761 in the first place, because you're using something you already have, 0:08:35.001 --> 0:08:39.001 or like your friend, you're using up cycle things or 0:08:39.001 --> 0:08:41.921 things from up shops. And then if you look at 0:08:41.921 --> 0:08:45.641 cost per bear, generally obviously not everything that's ethically made 0:08:45.721 --> 0:08:50.361 is quality, but generally it actually does saving money. 0:08:51.161 --> 0:08:54.041 I guess for some people who have got kids and 0:08:54.081 --> 0:08:56.681 families and things, that is a harder investment to make though, 0:08:56.721 --> 0:09:02.921 because it involves a bigger out, a higher investment, doesn't it. 0:09:03.321 --> 0:09:06.041 I mean, did you start your ethical decisions around how 0:09:06.081 --> 0:09:10.641 you're clothing yourself with recycled on you? Because recycled is 0:09:10.641 --> 0:09:14.201 an easy argument, doesn't it? Because it's already there if 0:09:13.561 --> 0:09:16.201 you're stopping at going to landfill. The more the more 0:09:16.241 --> 0:09:18.561 people who wear it, what's your starts on that stuff? 0:09:18.561 --> 0:09:20.561 And where do you sit in that argument. 0:09:21.441 --> 0:09:23.681 Yeah, I think, you know, there's different people who will 0:09:23.721 --> 0:09:28.041 fiercely only buy things that are secondhand or third or 0:09:28.041 --> 0:09:31.681 fourth hand, the things that aren't new, and then there's 0:09:31.721 --> 0:09:34.921 people who only buy New Zealand made things because you know, 0:09:34.921 --> 0:09:38.001 they want to support a local economy. I kind of 0:09:38.281 --> 0:09:41.961 I sit and double in all spaces because I'm also 0:09:42.001 --> 0:09:45.361 passionate about ensuring that where a lot of our clothes 0:09:45.361 --> 0:09:49.121 are made, places like India and Bangladesh, that there are 0:09:49.281 --> 0:09:52.401 fair wages and workplaces for people there. So I sput 0:09:52.441 --> 0:09:57.041 a lot of companies like Hollybully and Recreate Clothing who 0:09:57.681 --> 0:10:01.321 they employ people over there and give them awesome workplaces 0:10:01.521 --> 0:10:05.201 they can feel really proud of their work. It's training systems, 0:10:05.281 --> 0:10:07.521 it's you know, a really pleasant place that any one 0:10:07.561 --> 0:10:10.721 of us would would love to work. And buying those clothes, 0:10:10.761 --> 0:10:15.641 you're supporting that huge change in the villages and places 0:10:15.641 --> 0:10:19.681 where those factories are. So I'm passionate about that and 0:10:19.761 --> 0:10:23.561 supporting that type of kind of fashion industry that grows 0:10:23.641 --> 0:10:26.961 and changes and moves forward. But I also am very 0:10:26.961 --> 0:10:29.321 aware that there are so many clothes that already exist. 0:10:29.841 --> 0:10:34.601 So I personally go I double in New Zealand made ethically, 0:10:34.601 --> 0:10:38.881 made overseas and secondhand, and I really respect that some people, 0:10:39.121 --> 0:10:41.081 you know, fiercely hold on to one of those, because 0:10:41.121 --> 0:10:44.041 that's strong value they hold on to. And that's why 0:10:44.081 --> 0:10:47.201 I called my brand ethically cap because we all have 0:10:47.361 --> 0:10:50.121 you know, even you and I have different ethics, and 0:10:51.481 --> 0:10:55.401 there's no black and white or right wrong, and I 0:10:55.441 --> 0:10:58.801 think it's just important to respect each other's ethics and 0:10:58.881 --> 0:11:02.521 to yeah, trial best to align our actions with what 0:11:02.601 --> 0:11:03.481 we decide is right. 0:11:04.441 --> 0:11:06.921 Okay, look, we want to take your calls on this. 0:11:06.921 --> 0:11:08.281 By the way, I we eight hundred eighty ten and 0:11:08.281 --> 0:11:11.441 eighty about do you consider the ethics of stuff you consume? 0:11:11.841 --> 0:11:13.641 And of course, while this is the healthub and things 0:11:13.681 --> 0:11:15.601 that we're taking a broader sort of approach to things 0:11:15.601 --> 0:11:18.961 because obviously food wastage is a huge thing and where 0:11:18.961 --> 0:11:20.401 you shop and buy your food and what sort of 0:11:20.401 --> 0:11:22.881 products and do you care about how it's grown. And 0:11:24.041 --> 0:11:25.681 I'm not going to get into the whole pesticide sort 0:11:25.721 --> 0:11:27.521 of thing like that because that can become a very 0:11:27.601 --> 0:11:30.281 science based argument as well. But we want your calls 0:11:30.441 --> 0:11:33.721 eight hundred eighty ten eighty text on nine two nine 0:11:33.801 --> 0:11:37.481 two do ethics matter for you when you're making your 0:11:37.481 --> 0:11:41.041 decisions around consumption and what you wear, what you eat, 0:11:41.041 --> 0:11:42.921 et cetera. Give us a call on eight hundred and 0:11:42.961 --> 0:11:45.001 eighty ten eighty. We're with Kate All, she's the founder 0:11:45.281 --> 0:11:47.401 of Ethically Kate will be back with Kate in just 0:11:47.441 --> 0:11:49.761 a moment, but give us a call. Eighteen past four, 0:11:50.001 --> 0:11:52.161 this news talk said, be we're with Kate All, she's 0:11:52.161 --> 0:11:54.681 the founder of Ethically Kate talking about making a few 0:11:54.681 --> 0:11:58.961 more sort of sustainable or ethical choices. I guess, Kate, 0:11:59.561 --> 0:12:02.681 are there particular when it comes to clothing. Let's keep 0:12:02.681 --> 0:12:08.041 that thing going for a bit. Are there particular materials 0:12:08.161 --> 0:12:11.961 that are less troublesome than others? So, for instance, I think, well, 0:12:12.001 --> 0:12:15.401 cotton is generally seems like it's an organic sort of product, 0:12:15.401 --> 0:12:17.001 but by the time we wear it, what's the story 0:12:17.001 --> 0:12:17.321 with that? 0:12:18.921 --> 0:12:21.961 So there are I mean, not all cotton is made equally. 0:12:22.481 --> 0:12:26.881 When you think about the environmental impact. Some cotton is 0:12:26.921 --> 0:12:32.721 made just from rain water, so grown just with you know, 0:12:32.881 --> 0:12:35.921 seasonally when the rain happens, rather a whole lot of 0:12:35.921 --> 0:12:39.401 water added a whole lot of pesticides and things. So 0:12:39.561 --> 0:12:43.281 organic cotton that has been grown with rain water is 0:12:43.561 --> 0:12:46.921 fairly sustainable in my opinion. There's a lot of politics 0:12:46.961 --> 0:12:50.361 and contention about all sorts of different fabrics, but I 0:12:50.361 --> 0:12:53.601 think that's a pretty safe one when you know it's 0:12:53.761 --> 0:12:56.281 organic cotton, which is also great for your health too, 0:12:56.321 --> 0:13:00.521 because you know things are grown with pesticides and potentially 0:13:00.641 --> 0:13:03.281 dyed with all sorts. Then you know who wants to 0:13:03.281 --> 0:13:07.481 put that close to their body? Not me particularly, So I. 0:13:07.521 --> 0:13:09.201 Mean it's a difficult one, isn't it, Because I guess 0:13:09.281 --> 0:13:10.881 if I mean, there are a lot of people who 0:13:10.881 --> 0:13:13.121 don't care about the sort of pesticides aspect, and depending 0:13:13.121 --> 0:13:15.281 on the nature the kind of pesticides on us, it's 0:13:15.841 --> 0:13:17.601 becomes a bit of a scientific argument as to what 0:13:17.601 --> 0:13:19.361 the bad ones are and the good ones are. What 0:13:19.481 --> 0:13:22.561 sort of how do you discern? I mean obviously the 0:13:22.641 --> 0:13:26.481 website sort of dedicated to that, isn't it, But how 0:13:26.481 --> 0:13:29.201 do you discern whether something's got the sort of cotton 0:13:29.241 --> 0:13:31.561 that is it? Basically just on those things you've outlined 0:13:31.921 --> 0:13:33.881 in terms of it. But how would pete the average 0:13:33.921 --> 0:13:37.921 person find out which brands maybe you're the safer ones, 0:13:38.081 --> 0:13:40.361 because there'll be a lot of people are listening to go, well, 0:13:40.401 --> 0:13:41.841 how I'm not in a position where I'm going to 0:13:41.841 --> 0:13:42.961 pay eighty bucks for a T shirt. 0:13:44.561 --> 0:13:47.361 It's really really hard to be honest to find out 0:13:47.361 --> 0:13:50.521 where your fabric is grown. You know where it's come from, 0:13:50.561 --> 0:13:52.361 even because we look at the label and it may 0:13:52.401 --> 0:13:54.601 say made in New Zealand, but you know, have you 0:13:54.601 --> 0:13:57.961 seen a cotton farm here in New Zealand or we 0:13:58.041 --> 0:14:02.401 just we don't really produce cotton here, so it's often 0:14:02.401 --> 0:14:07.201 come from overseas, and the transparency behind the brick is yeah, 0:14:07.241 --> 0:14:09.321 generally not there. So what I would say is look 0:14:09.361 --> 0:14:11.561 for a transparency when you're looking at a brand and 0:14:11.601 --> 0:14:14.761 you want to purchase something. Also know that you can 0:14:14.881 --> 0:14:17.161 ask questions. I think a lot of us become really 0:14:17.201 --> 0:14:20.601 passive consumers and forget that we can ask questions, and 0:14:20.881 --> 0:14:23.761 as a customer, it is our right to know these things. 0:14:24.601 --> 0:14:27.441 We can look for different certifications, so they may have 0:14:27.601 --> 0:14:32.801 a fair Trade symbol, BCA, Cotton Initiative symbol. Again, all 0:14:32.841 --> 0:14:38.201 these certifications have pluses and minuses, and they also cost 0:14:38.201 --> 0:14:40.041 a lot of money, so a lot of small companies 0:14:40.281 --> 0:14:42.721 actually don't have the money to have these certifications, which 0:14:42.761 --> 0:14:45.641 is again really really hard. That's why I've built my 0:14:45.841 --> 0:14:49.201 directory so that people can know. I've asked these companies 0:14:49.321 --> 0:14:52.401 and gone back and forth phone calls, emails with a 0:14:52.441 --> 0:14:54.801 whole bunch of questions because I know it's really difficult 0:14:54.841 --> 0:14:55.841 for the everyday. 0:14:55.441 --> 0:14:57.961 Person honest to these companies. I mean, how hard you 0:14:58.041 --> 0:14:59.481 dig into it because there are people who like to 0:14:59.481 --> 0:15:02.161 make claims and you find out, okay, well five percent 0:15:02.161 --> 0:15:03.801 of it they didn't tell us about the other ninety 0:15:03.841 --> 0:15:06.361 five percent, which was sourced from X because they had 0:15:06.361 --> 0:15:07.281 supply problems. 0:15:07.921 --> 0:15:11.761 Yeah. I So I've formulated a list of questions which 0:15:11.801 --> 0:15:15.121 I've adapted over the last ten years, and I can 0:15:15.201 --> 0:15:19.321 immediately tell in the answers if they have said things 0:15:19.441 --> 0:15:22.481 like well, we're one hundred percent sustainable, you know, our product. 0:15:22.521 --> 0:15:26.801 When they're making big, broad claims like I'm perfect, that 0:15:27.001 --> 0:15:30.521 is a red flag for me because every single company 0:15:30.561 --> 0:15:32.841 has an impact and every single company has something they 0:15:32.841 --> 0:15:35.921 can work on. So if they're not ready to own 0:15:36.001 --> 0:15:38.481 up to those things and be transparent about them with me, 0:15:38.841 --> 0:15:41.241 then that's like pretty much a no go for me. 0:15:41.441 --> 0:15:45.241 So I don't you know, all the brands are my directory. 0:15:45.281 --> 0:15:48.441 They're not perfect brands. They're brands who are always working 0:15:49.281 --> 0:15:53.001 to innovate and to you know, we're also discovering new things, right, 0:15:53.321 --> 0:15:56.961 Like there's different things Like bamboo is a fabric. You think, okay, cool, 0:15:57.281 --> 0:16:00.841 it's great, it's natural, it can break down, it's really soft. 0:16:01.521 --> 0:16:04.161 But we know that not all bamboo is created equally, 0:16:04.201 --> 0:16:07.761 and actually bamboo can be not such a great thing. 0:16:08.081 --> 0:16:10.721 It can involve a lot of chemicals to break that 0:16:10.801 --> 0:16:13.761 really strong plant down into a lovely soft fiber. And 0:16:13.801 --> 0:16:17.121 if those chemicals aren't kept you in a closed loop system, 0:16:17.201 --> 0:16:21.721 then they're destroying the environment somewhere and leaking out. So 0:16:22.601 --> 0:16:25.881 the companies who are transparent and able to own up 0:16:26.001 --> 0:16:28.521 to the stuff that they don't do, right, I am 0:16:28.681 --> 0:16:31.321 some more likely to purchase from or work with and 0:16:31.481 --> 0:16:34.361 have them on my website than the ones who are 0:16:34.361 --> 0:16:35.841 trying to claim that they do everything. 0:16:35.961 --> 0:16:38.601 Yeah, all right, let's take some calls ethics and you 0:16:38.601 --> 0:16:42.841 know what role do the dos ethical considerations play in 0:16:42.881 --> 0:16:46.201 your shopping decisions, whether it come to clothing or food 0:16:46.481 --> 0:16:50.001 or whatever. Weight one hundred and eighty ten eighty Natalie Gooday. 0:16:50.641 --> 0:16:52.561 Oh, hi, hi Kim, how are you good? 0:16:52.761 --> 0:16:54.961 You're with Kate Harf ethically Kate as well? You have 0:16:55.081 --> 0:16:56.681 a question or an opinion. 0:16:56.961 --> 0:16:57.801 Ah, yeah, Well. 0:16:57.721 --> 0:17:00.961 I took clothing and textiles at high school as a subject. 0:17:01.281 --> 0:17:03.321 But I don't know a hick of a lot about 0:17:04.241 --> 0:17:05.241 this subject. 0:17:05.961 --> 0:17:07.521 Well, you know more than some might I at least 0:17:07.521 --> 0:17:09.561 if you're studied it in some level, even if it's 0:17:09.601 --> 0:17:09.961 just at home. 0:17:10.841 --> 0:17:14.001 What they're organic growing kiwi fruit and orange and that 0:17:14.081 --> 0:17:14.721 kind of thing. 0:17:14.921 --> 0:17:16.281 Well, I would have thought that would be a good idea, 0:17:16.281 --> 0:17:18.161 wouldn't it, Kate, Growing your own, that's got to be 0:17:18.201 --> 0:17:18.441 a win. 0:17:19.121 --> 0:17:20.921 I think growing your own is probably the best thing, 0:17:20.961 --> 0:17:23.561 because that's not only good for your body, but it's 0:17:23.601 --> 0:17:27.001 also has great things. You're outside, you're tending to. 0:17:26.961 --> 0:17:29.561 Something, the apples, you're gonna spray them all with the 0:17:29.601 --> 0:17:34.521 fruit for the Yeah, you want to eat it? 0:17:35.721 --> 0:17:38.441 Yeah, But we know like Haber's just on the food 0:17:38.481 --> 0:17:41.681 farm in Amberley, just north of christ Church yesterday and 0:17:41.721 --> 0:17:46.601 they have amazing fruit trees. They use permaculture theories and 0:17:46.641 --> 0:17:49.681 they don't use any sprays or pesticides or you know, 0:17:49.761 --> 0:17:51.961 things that are going to damage the environment. And it's 0:17:52.001 --> 0:17:56.241 amazing to see how life and fruit and food can 0:17:56.361 --> 0:17:58.321 just flourish under those conditions. 0:17:58.961 --> 0:18:00.921 It is a difficult one, isn't it. Cake because they 0:18:00.961 --> 0:18:06.401 say if it weren't for using modern pesticides and ge 0:18:06.561 --> 0:18:08.841 for instance, is that one where people get quite triggered 0:18:08.841 --> 0:18:11.521 by it. But that does enable a hell of a 0:18:11.561 --> 0:18:14.721 lot of food production as well that are more resistant 0:18:15.121 --> 0:18:17.641 to either they better at caping a drought and disease 0:18:17.681 --> 0:18:20.561 and things like that. Where are you on that personally? 0:18:21.721 --> 0:18:26.481 Yeah, I think I am in quite an investigative kind 0:18:26.521 --> 0:18:29.721 of mode absorbing a lot. But from what I know, 0:18:29.801 --> 0:18:33.121 I have the privilege of visiting a lot of farms 0:18:33.161 --> 0:18:37.441 like the one yesterday, who have yeah, permaculture and kind 0:18:37.521 --> 0:18:41.361 of you know, they're very steering clear from adding anything 0:18:41.481 --> 0:18:44.641 or doing anything that nature kind of doesn't already already do. 0:18:44.841 --> 0:18:51.521 And I see it work so brilliantly, and so it 0:18:51.561 --> 0:18:54.321 feels much more sustainable in the sense that it can 0:18:54.401 --> 0:18:57.001 keep on happening. So when you think about all the 0:18:57.081 --> 0:18:59.841 interventions and things we're doing to make lots of food 0:18:59.881 --> 0:19:04.321 and make it now for you know, all the people like, 0:19:04.401 --> 0:19:07.201 what are the long term effects of that? Over time, 0:19:07.641 --> 0:19:11.041 we're going to see what we have seen degradation in 0:19:11.081 --> 0:19:14.881 our soil. You know, we're seeing a change in nutritional 0:19:15.001 --> 0:19:18.921 value of our food. So we're again we're thinking about 0:19:18.921 --> 0:19:22.081 that upfront. Okay, you know what's easy, what can we 0:19:22.121 --> 0:19:24.201 do now to get a whole lot of food? But 0:19:24.321 --> 0:19:28.441 actually we're losing out on the nutrition. We're losing out 0:19:28.521 --> 0:19:32.321 on a long term system that if we just you know, 0:19:32.641 --> 0:19:35.601 paused a little bit and thought about how can we 0:19:35.641 --> 0:19:38.881 do this, you know, in the long term and work 0:19:38.961 --> 0:19:42.081 with nature. I see it work really really well, even 0:19:42.121 --> 0:19:45.881 with market gardens where they are, you know, creating a 0:19:45.921 --> 0:19:48.881 lot of food for a lot of people, even mangedoa 0:19:48.961 --> 0:19:54.001 farms and upper Hat it's possible. I see it with 0:19:54.001 --> 0:19:57.441 my own eyes. So doing on a much larger scale, 0:19:57.561 --> 0:20:00.241 I think we're finding that it actually does work. 0:20:00.401 --> 0:20:01.961 Yeah, okay, let's take some more calls. 0:20:02.241 --> 0:20:09.401 Peter, Hello, Yes, and then your guests. I'm ringing up today. 0:20:09.441 --> 0:20:14.921 I'm wearing a shirt which is the brand of Dynasty, 0:20:14.321 --> 0:20:17.641 and I've got a swing ticket that had was on 0:20:17.681 --> 0:20:21.641 the garment. This garment is made from twenty four recycled 0:20:21.841 --> 0:20:26.401 plastic bottles. And I thought, well, that's another another thought 0:20:26.561 --> 0:20:33.401 for us. I work in the in a a second 0:20:33.401 --> 0:20:35.481 hand shop, you know, an op shop there, and yes, 0:20:35.561 --> 0:20:40.001 I'm selling reselling items there all the time. But I thought, 0:20:40.001 --> 0:20:43.001 this is a good point also that garments can be 0:20:43.121 --> 0:20:45.881 made from recycled plastic bottles. 0:20:46.601 --> 0:20:49.241 Yeah. That's interesting, isn't it, because well, we don't like 0:20:49.281 --> 0:20:53.161 plastics as much recycling. No where are you on that one, Kate? 0:20:54.281 --> 0:21:00.161 Yeahhpe Peter, thanks for calling in. Okay, I have yeah myself, 0:21:00.201 --> 0:21:03.201 I have some active wear that is made from recycled plastics, 0:21:03.201 --> 0:21:06.641 from recycled plastic bottles or just guarded fishing nets. And 0:21:06.721 --> 0:21:09.641 I think, you know, especially for things like active where 0:21:10.281 --> 0:21:13.121 that you need that fabric to be a certain way. 0:21:13.161 --> 0:21:16.681 You may not want an ultra marathon runner and things 0:21:16.721 --> 0:21:19.001 like that may may not be able to do what 0:21:19.081 --> 0:21:21.601 they need to do in cotton and things that are 0:21:21.801 --> 0:21:25.721 under suitable. And it's a great it's a great material 0:21:25.841 --> 0:21:30.361 that we have discovered very recently. However, you know, like 0:21:30.481 --> 0:21:35.041 anything there comes with some question marks around its sustainability 0:21:35.041 --> 0:21:37.801 in the long term. For example, the fact that we 0:21:37.881 --> 0:21:41.521 are still you know, even if it's made from recycled plastics, 0:21:41.561 --> 0:21:45.361 if you're still washing it, there's microfibers, microplastics getting into 0:21:45.401 --> 0:21:49.001