1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from Newstalks ed B. 3 00:00:12,627 --> 00:00:15,347 Speaker 2: All Blacks have got there in Cordoba for you. 4 00:00:15,347 --> 00:00:19,107 Speaker 1: Are Blacks go back to number one in the world 5 00:00:19,187 --> 00:00:23,387 Speaker 1: for the first time since November twenty twenty one. 6 00:00:23,627 --> 00:00:26,667 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the byproduct of a forty one twenty four 7 00:00:26,747 --> 00:00:29,227 Speaker 2: win in Cordoba. This morning, let's bring in one of 8 00:00:29,267 --> 00:00:32,267 Speaker 2: the great All Blacks midfielders, sixty nine game fifty five 9 00:00:32,347 --> 00:00:35,027 Speaker 2: tests All Black center Frank Bunce. Once you would have 10 00:00:35,067 --> 00:00:36,867 Speaker 2: watched with interest. I know, as you do all All 11 00:00:36,867 --> 00:00:39,867 Speaker 2: Blacks tests, how happy you reckon the All Blacks coaches 12 00:00:39,867 --> 00:00:43,107 Speaker 2: will be overall with that performance before we drill down 13 00:00:43,147 --> 00:00:43,947 Speaker 2: into parts of it. 14 00:00:44,827 --> 00:00:49,707 Speaker 3: Hey, hey, Finy, I think they'll be satisfied. I mean, 15 00:00:49,747 --> 00:00:52,347 Speaker 3: it's a it's a good win over a you know, 16 00:00:52,467 --> 00:00:57,587 Speaker 3: over a pretty tough, pretty confident Pumas team, and to 17 00:00:57,667 --> 00:01:00,947 Speaker 3: end over there as well. You know, obviously there were 18 00:01:01,067 --> 00:01:03,907 Speaker 3: there were parts that you know that we need to 19 00:01:03,907 --> 00:01:05,987 Speaker 3: improve on. But I think all and all they'll be 20 00:01:05,987 --> 00:01:06,267 Speaker 3: pretty so. 21 00:01:07,787 --> 00:01:09,827 Speaker 2: First but of the second half, the twenty minutes from 22 00:01:09,867 --> 00:01:12,547 Speaker 2: halftime through until about minutes sort of let's say sixty 23 00:01:12,587 --> 00:01:16,267 Speaker 2: sixty five when Argentina did have momentum. What is the 24 00:01:16,267 --> 00:01:19,027 Speaker 2: best way to combat that on the field? What what 25 00:01:19,107 --> 00:01:22,187 Speaker 2: sort of conversation should have been going on as Argentina 26 00:01:22,227 --> 00:01:23,747 Speaker 2: started to get a bit of a head of steam up. 27 00:01:25,227 --> 00:01:28,307 Speaker 3: I think you you just concentrate on your basics, you know, 28 00:01:28,387 --> 00:01:32,227 Speaker 3: the what you need to do defensively, you know, just 29 00:01:32,267 --> 00:01:36,187 Speaker 3: making sure you're all connected, you're all talking, you know, 30 00:01:36,267 --> 00:01:38,467 Speaker 3: you should, just making sure that you are where you 31 00:01:38,627 --> 00:01:41,547 Speaker 3: where you need to be, you know, at a time 32 00:01:41,747 --> 00:01:44,267 Speaker 3: because you know, as we know, all all games, all 33 00:01:44,267 --> 00:01:48,627 Speaker 3: test matches, and that there's there's ebb and flu. So 34 00:01:48,787 --> 00:01:51,147 Speaker 3: Argentina had that obviously, and we you know, we'd made 35 00:01:51,187 --> 00:01:53,667 Speaker 3: a few changes as well, So I think it was 36 00:01:53,747 --> 00:01:57,987 Speaker 3: just time to settle in and just just do it's 37 00:01:58,027 --> 00:02:01,747 Speaker 3: basics really, to be honest, a lot a lot of talking, 38 00:02:01,787 --> 00:02:04,147 Speaker 3: you know that there's a saying you know, the more 39 00:02:04,187 --> 00:02:06,107 Speaker 3: you talk, the less you actually have to tackle. So 40 00:02:06,867 --> 00:02:10,107 Speaker 3: just making sure you're making sure you're connected, you know, 41 00:02:10,187 --> 00:02:14,067 Speaker 3: and you know you know where where everyone is, and 42 00:02:14,067 --> 00:02:16,547 Speaker 3: and you just go through and trust what you do. 43 00:02:17,347 --> 00:02:19,667 Speaker 2: Love that. Did you ever think that you know, they 44 00:02:19,667 --> 00:02:21,987 Speaker 2: got back to within seven Argentina did it? Did you 45 00:02:22,027 --> 00:02:23,707 Speaker 2: feel as though they might come over the top of 46 00:02:23,747 --> 00:02:26,467 Speaker 2: New Zealand or did you always feel confident that enough 47 00:02:26,467 --> 00:02:29,267 Speaker 2: of the right things were being said out there for 48 00:02:29,267 --> 00:02:31,987 Speaker 2: for New Zealand to negotiate their way through it. 49 00:02:33,147 --> 00:02:37,587 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I was. I was pretty confident. And the 50 00:02:37,587 --> 00:02:40,147 Speaker 3: way that we started to dominate, you know, our line out, 51 00:02:40,347 --> 00:02:43,707 Speaker 3: you know, really clicked, and and then that rolling mall. 52 00:02:43,787 --> 00:02:46,267 Speaker 3: You know, they had real, no real answer for that, 53 00:02:46,427 --> 00:02:50,067 Speaker 3: you know, so I think our forwards really were We're 54 00:02:50,107 --> 00:02:54,667 Speaker 3: starting to kick into into gear. So you know, there's 55 00:02:55,587 --> 00:02:59,467 Speaker 3: obviously never say never, but I was, I was pretty confident, 56 00:02:59,587 --> 00:03:01,787 Speaker 3: especially the way the forwards were going, you know, at 57 00:03:01,787 --> 00:03:04,307 Speaker 3: that point were always starting to go starting to rumble. 58 00:03:05,227 --> 00:03:07,387 Speaker 2: How do you reckon Billy Propped is going in in 59 00:03:07,427 --> 00:03:08,307 Speaker 2: the thirdeen jersey? 60 00:03:11,467 --> 00:03:14,107 Speaker 3: He well, yeah, he's doing he's not doing anything wrong. 61 00:03:14,147 --> 00:03:16,307 Speaker 3: You know, there's there's a few you know, odd mistakes 62 00:03:16,307 --> 00:03:19,387 Speaker 3: and stuff, but I think, you know, to be honest, 63 00:03:19,427 --> 00:03:21,147 Speaker 3: I think you can do better. He's a better player 64 00:03:21,147 --> 00:03:25,947 Speaker 3: than that. But it's it's a matter of matter of 65 00:03:25,947 --> 00:03:28,747 Speaker 3: of slotting in and and figuring out just test test 66 00:03:28,867 --> 00:03:31,627 Speaker 3: level Rugby is a is a different beast. You know, 67 00:03:32,387 --> 00:03:35,107 Speaker 3: He's no doubt got the ability and now he's just 68 00:03:35,107 --> 00:03:39,067 Speaker 3: got to find I think, find his game really and 69 00:03:38,627 --> 00:03:42,107 Speaker 3: and and become a lot more confident and uh, you know, 70 00:03:42,547 --> 00:03:44,147 Speaker 3: I think he you know, then he moves on and 71 00:03:44,227 --> 00:03:45,747 Speaker 3: leaps and bounds. 72 00:03:45,787 --> 00:03:48,907 Speaker 2: How how did how long did it take you from memory? 73 00:03:48,907 --> 00:03:51,547 Speaker 2: And it's a little while ago, I know, but it 74 00:03:51,627 --> 00:03:56,267 Speaker 2: seemed like you got you adjusted to Test rugby fairly quickly. Yes, 75 00:03:56,307 --> 00:03:57,827 Speaker 2: you've played for some more, but when you came into 76 00:03:57,827 --> 00:03:59,467 Speaker 2: the All Blacks, it felt like you were the finished 77 00:03:59,547 --> 00:04:01,547 Speaker 2: article already. How long does it take? 78 00:04:02,667 --> 00:04:09,387 Speaker 3: Oh? I certainly wasn't I me to to get confidence 79 00:04:09,427 --> 00:04:14,067 Speaker 3: in yourself, you know? And then you know these everyone's different. 80 00:04:14,147 --> 00:04:16,667 Speaker 3: You look at Wallace Attiti, you know who just he's 81 00:04:16,707 --> 00:04:19,547 Speaker 3: a staff from the moment he takes the field. But 82 00:04:20,227 --> 00:04:21,907 Speaker 3: you know, the other people just take a little bit 83 00:04:21,907 --> 00:04:24,707 Speaker 3: of time to you know, just to get used to 84 00:04:24,387 --> 00:04:27,707 Speaker 3: the pace of the game, the rhythm, you know, which 85 00:04:27,787 --> 00:04:29,667 Speaker 3: if I find out what you you know, what you 86 00:04:29,747 --> 00:04:31,347 Speaker 3: can and can't do, and what you need to do 87 00:04:31,547 --> 00:04:35,187 Speaker 3: in preparations as a huge thing. And as I say, 88 00:04:35,227 --> 00:04:38,227 Speaker 3: everyone's different. So it took me, took me a number 89 00:04:38,267 --> 00:04:42,347 Speaker 3: of test matches before I got my confidence, and you know, 90 00:04:42,507 --> 00:04:46,307 Speaker 3: might have looked possibly on the outside, you know, as 91 00:04:46,307 --> 00:04:47,947 Speaker 3: though I really knew what I was doing and I 92 00:04:48,067 --> 00:04:50,147 Speaker 3: was into it, But there was a there was a 93 00:04:50,187 --> 00:04:52,067 Speaker 3: lot of work going on behind the scenes. 94 00:04:52,587 --> 00:04:54,107 Speaker 2: And certainly a lot of work to do for a 95 00:04:54,187 --> 00:04:56,587 Speaker 2: scenes on both sides of the ball, and and you know, 96 00:04:56,627 --> 00:04:58,347 Speaker 2: we always think of the good scenes as as those 97 00:04:58,467 --> 00:05:00,507 Speaker 2: like yourself, Joe Stanley and others who set up there 98 00:05:00,547 --> 00:05:03,627 Speaker 2: outsides with ball in hand. But then we think about 99 00:05:03,667 --> 00:05:05,747 Speaker 2: defensive strategy and the way you get up in people's 100 00:05:05,747 --> 00:05:09,147 Speaker 2: faces and make tackles. As he's learning, has trade the lead, 101 00:05:09,307 --> 00:05:12,187 Speaker 2: should he be focusing on one or the other more? 102 00:05:17,147 --> 00:05:21,067 Speaker 3: Uh, it's hard, especially at test match at that level. 103 00:05:22,307 --> 00:05:25,627 Speaker 3: You know, I think you go through everything. He's obviously 104 00:05:25,707 --> 00:05:29,667 Speaker 3: got strengths, and you know, and he's obviously got weaknesses 105 00:05:30,067 --> 00:05:32,787 Speaker 3: or parts of his game that you know that that 106 00:05:33,347 --> 00:05:35,587 Speaker 3: he knows himself that he can improve on. I don't 107 00:05:35,627 --> 00:05:39,347 Speaker 3: know what they are, to be honest exactly, but you know, 108 00:05:39,387 --> 00:05:42,387 Speaker 3: I don't think you can concentrate concentrate on your weaknesses. 109 00:05:42,547 --> 00:05:44,667 Speaker 3: I guess you know, make yourself. You know, you've got 110 00:05:44,707 --> 00:05:47,707 Speaker 3: to become competent at the things that you're you're not 111 00:05:47,867 --> 00:05:51,627 Speaker 3: so good at you know, because there's no real place 112 00:05:51,667 --> 00:05:55,787 Speaker 3: to hide, you know, at that level. But you know, 113 00:05:55,907 --> 00:05:58,267 Speaker 3: he's he's he's got all the goods. He's definitely got 114 00:05:58,307 --> 00:06:01,507 Speaker 3: all the goods. So it's just a matter of just 115 00:06:01,547 --> 00:06:03,947 Speaker 3: a matter of finding, you know, finding yourself, I think. 116 00:06:04,147 --> 00:06:06,827 Speaker 3: And he's got to work in you know, they're they're 117 00:06:06,867 --> 00:06:10,107 Speaker 3: chopping and changing, you know, people that he's playing with 118 00:06:10,507 --> 00:06:13,587 Speaker 3: the game itself has changed. You know, there's there's so 119 00:06:13,707 --> 00:06:17,227 Speaker 3: many there's so many different facets that you know, it's 120 00:06:17,387 --> 00:06:18,427 Speaker 3: it's hard to pinpoint. 121 00:06:19,507 --> 00:06:22,667 Speaker 2: So just back to the overall performance, is that your blacks. 122 00:06:22,747 --> 00:06:24,147 Speaker 2: I mean they get the win, right, they get the 123 00:06:24,187 --> 00:06:26,987 Speaker 2: bonus point, you know, mission accomplished as far as that 124 00:06:27,147 --> 00:06:29,747 Speaker 2: is concerned. But they're always on this quest for constant 125 00:06:29,787 --> 00:06:32,267 Speaker 2: improvement and looking at how they can do things better. 126 00:06:32,867 --> 00:06:35,427 Speaker 2: If if there were one or two things that they'll 127 00:06:35,467 --> 00:06:37,987 Speaker 2: be looking to do better in the second test in 128 00:06:38,067 --> 00:06:39,987 Speaker 2: a week from now, any idea what they might be 129 00:06:40,387 --> 00:06:42,307 Speaker 2: focusing their attention on across the week. 130 00:06:43,627 --> 00:06:47,307 Speaker 3: I think you know, early on, they it's a lot 131 00:06:47,387 --> 00:06:49,147 Speaker 3: of the timing, well not a lot of it, but 132 00:06:49,307 --> 00:06:52,227 Speaker 3: you know, some of the timing was was out, especially 133 00:06:52,947 --> 00:06:57,347 Speaker 3: you know with the Becks, and and you know, we 134 00:06:57,507 --> 00:07:00,147 Speaker 3: we we saw drop bore, we saw we saw some 135 00:07:00,427 --> 00:07:04,427 Speaker 3: some poor passing, timing, you know, miss timing and things 136 00:07:04,467 --> 00:07:09,987 Speaker 3: like that. I think it I think it's it's reasonably 137 00:07:10,027 --> 00:07:12,627 Speaker 3: small things, you know, and we haven't had a game 138 00:07:12,667 --> 00:07:14,867 Speaker 3: for a little while. We've got a few new names 139 00:07:14,907 --> 00:07:17,147 Speaker 3: in there, so it's it's kind of settling. But I 140 00:07:17,267 --> 00:07:22,227 Speaker 3: think I think accuracy really because we you know, we 141 00:07:22,307 --> 00:07:26,867 Speaker 3: started pretty well, got ourselves in a little bit of strife, 142 00:07:26,987 --> 00:07:30,387 Speaker 3: you know, but but took what Argentina had to had 143 00:07:30,427 --> 00:07:33,107 Speaker 3: to give and I don't think, you know, at any 144 00:07:33,147 --> 00:07:36,107 Speaker 3: stage really were we under under too much pressure. So 145 00:07:36,787 --> 00:07:39,627 Speaker 3: in terms of going into next week, I think accuracy 146 00:07:39,867 --> 00:07:42,027 Speaker 3: really is one of the main focuses. 147 00:07:43,147 --> 00:07:44,947 Speaker 2: Did you did you say that? I don't know if 148 00:07:44,947 --> 00:07:47,147 Speaker 2: you saw the game, but that result out of Joe 149 00:07:47,187 --> 00:07:49,747 Speaker 2: Berg this morning, Australia coming from twenty two nil down 150 00:07:49,787 --> 00:07:54,307 Speaker 2: to put thirty eight unanswered points on the spring box exactly. 151 00:07:54,427 --> 00:07:56,947 Speaker 3: Man. No one was expecting it. And I think was 152 00:07:56,987 --> 00:07:59,587 Speaker 3: it your show yesterday with that guy he was he 153 00:07:59,707 --> 00:08:01,107 Speaker 3: was betting one hundred and fifty bucks. 154 00:08:01,387 --> 00:08:03,347 Speaker 2: Yeah, he could have beat the thirteen plus of one 155 00:08:03,387 --> 00:08:05,907 Speaker 2: two and a half grand exactly. 156 00:08:05,987 --> 00:08:09,307 Speaker 3: That's that's actually what came to mind first the first thing. 157 00:08:09,827 --> 00:08:12,107 Speaker 3: But ah, guy, we go, ah, what do you take 158 00:08:12,627 --> 00:08:13,027 Speaker 3: the soccer? 159 00:08:13,107 --> 00:08:15,107 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, he won't that one as well, which 160 00:08:15,187 --> 00:08:17,227 Speaker 2: was okay, but yeah he would have won. But then 161 00:08:17,627 --> 00:08:19,547 Speaker 2: who would have taken that bit though, Buncy, you know 162 00:08:19,827 --> 00:08:21,067 Speaker 2: exactly exactly. 163 00:08:21,387 --> 00:08:23,867 Speaker 3: You may have gone because you know, you weren't actually 164 00:08:23,907 --> 00:08:27,347 Speaker 3: fronting up with the money. That's right, you know, so 165 00:08:27,547 --> 00:08:30,147 Speaker 3: it wasn't yours to lose in the first place. But yeah, 166 00:08:30,227 --> 00:08:32,507 Speaker 3: no one would have picked it. I'm pretty sure, you know, 167 00:08:33,027 --> 00:08:35,987 Speaker 3: even the you'd have to say, even some of the 168 00:08:36,147 --> 00:08:39,387 Speaker 3: you know, the Wallaby supporters. I doubt if a lot 169 00:08:39,427 --> 00:08:41,467 Speaker 3: of them would have would have beat any money on it. 170 00:08:42,027 --> 00:08:43,747 Speaker 2: I reckon, you're right, I reckon, you're right. Se It's 171 00:08:43,787 --> 00:08:46,347 Speaker 2: up a fascinating rugby championship. Hi, Frank, always good to 172 00:08:46,427 --> 00:08:48,907 Speaker 2: chat mate. Thanks for taking the time here, not a problem. 173 00:08:49,307 --> 00:08:51,347 Speaker 2: All the best, Frank Bunce one of our best on 174 00:08:51,387 --> 00:08:53,987 Speaker 2: the thirteen jumper, with some salient thoughts there on the 175 00:08:53,987 --> 00:08:55,347 Speaker 2: All Blacks performance this morning. 176 00:08:55,947 --> 00:08:59,107 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 177 00:08:59,187 --> 00:09:02,507 Speaker 1: to News Talks. It'd be weekends from midday, or follow 178 00:09:02,547 --> 00:09:04,107 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio