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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers, find a fag sack and.

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Speaker 2: Give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 1: power of satellite mobile news dogs.

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Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up to

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Speaker 3: date the Health Minister Simeon Brown and the Labour Leader

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Speaker 3: Chris Hapkins on the COVID reports, Irene and King on

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Speaker 3: how much in New Zealand will have to raise its

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Speaker 3: prices by in the end given the oil volatility, and

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Speaker 3: then the black ball Hillton on having to ditch their

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Speaker 3: outdoor tables and chairs because of a stupid rule.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Ellen, So.

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Speaker 3: The big COVID inquiry is out, the Royal Commission of Inquiry,

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Speaker 3: And to be honest, I don't think this is a

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Speaker 3: game changer because I don't think it tells you anything

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Speaker 3: you didn't already know, or at least suspect Aucklanders who

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Speaker 3: were the most affected were there. We already knew that

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Speaker 3: Grant and Jacinda and Chippy had kept us in that

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Speaker 3: long lockdown in twenty twenty one for too long. We

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Speaker 3: already knew that the Auckland border could have been lifted earlier.

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Speaker 3: Now we just have the proof in writing that we

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Speaker 3: were right. If there is a revelation in this, it's

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Speaker 3: that Ashley Bloomfield wasn't the conservative one telling the government

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Speaker 3: what to do. He was, in fact more reasonable than

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Speaker 3: they were. They ended up ignoring his advice and kept

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Speaker 3: Auckland in lockdown longer. September twenty one. This is how

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Speaker 3: it rolled out. September twenty one. He tells them Auckland

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Speaker 3: has been in lockdown level four for long enough, been

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Speaker 3: in there for four weeks. By that stage, almost Auckland

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Speaker 3: can come out in four days. On the sixteenth of September,

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Speaker 3: Chippy takes that to his mates, and Cabinet puts up

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Speaker 3: his own idea, says, you know what, let's keep Auckland

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Speaker 3: in for longer than Ashley reckons. Let's keep it in

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Speaker 3: until the twenty first of September, an extra five days.

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Speaker 3: Cabinet decides to go with what Chippy thinks. Now, remember

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Speaker 3: that lockdown was costing Auckland up to one hundred million

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Speaker 3: dollars every single day, so Chippy unnecessarily killed jobs and

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Speaker 3: businesses when he didn't have to. Auckland's border testing restrictions

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Speaker 3: were in place longer than official says necessary. Mandates were

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Speaker 3: in place longer than was necessary. What this is, this

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Speaker 3: Royal Commission of Inquiry, is this is a vindication for

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Speaker 3: anyone who was saying at the time that Auckland should

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Speaker 3: have been out of lockdown and out of its border earlier.

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Speaker 3: It is an indictment on those who kept those restrictions

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Speaker 3: in place when they didn't have to. Five years on.

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest about it. Mostly we've moved on. Can

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Speaker 3: be triggered from time to time, but for the most

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Speaker 3: part it's ancient history now. But don't forget how hard

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Speaker 3: it was for Auckland at the time, how many lives

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Speaker 3: were broken, with businesses lost, how much we are actually

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Speaker 3: still paying in the cost of living crisis for those

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Speaker 3: poor decisions. As I say, not a game changer, but

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Speaker 3: an official record that what they did at the end

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Speaker 3: some value in holding decision makers to account just for

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Speaker 3: it being on the public record.

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Speaker 2: Ever, due for see Allen.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen nine two is the text number Simon Brown is

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Speaker 3: going to be us after five Chippies with us after

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Speaker 3: half past five now a company trialing a male contraceptive

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Speaker 3: pill here in New Zealand is looking for canned so

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Speaker 3: they want men aged between twenty eight and seventy who

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Speaker 3: they are prepared to pay twelve thousand dollars. The company

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Speaker 3: leading the trial is New Zealand Clinical Research and the

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Speaker 3: lead research physician is doctor rohit.

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Speaker 4: Cartil hi row hit Hi, Heather, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. So what is it that

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Speaker 5: So the study is quite interesting, but basically as part

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Speaker 5: of the trial they will have in patient to stay

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Speaker 5: that they have follow up visits for up to a year.

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Speaker 5: And as part of those follow up visits we will

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Speaker 5: be collecting some scene examples as well.

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Speaker 3: Why do they have to stay with you for seven nights?

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Speaker 5: So that's just for monitoring. So at the basically it

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Speaker 3: Okay, and so is this like a women's contraceptive where

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Speaker 5: So though that's what we're aiming to get to, obviously

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Speaker 5: So yeah, essentially that's what we're trying to get to.

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Speaker 3: And then then how long does it last for the effects?

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Speaker 5: So it's hard it's because we're in the early stage.

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Speaker 5: Is still it's hard to know exactly because the way

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Speaker 5: So even though you might stop taking the drug, it

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Speaker 3: And then I'm assuming that the test that you're asking

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Speaker 5: I So basically, the things that we're using at the

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Speaker 5: sperm counts and things like that. So if we can

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Speaker 5: get people down to those sort of sperm counts, they

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Speaker 5: should theoretically be infertile until the sperm counts come back.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the test, Yeah yeah, so the test does

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Speaker 3: sperm you counted and you say, at this level, you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what is it exactly that you are testing

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Speaker 3: you're already reasonably confident, aren't you that the thing is safe?

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Speaker 3: So it's not a safety test.

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Speaker 5: So I guess the first study looked at safety testing

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Speaker 5: when participants got a single dose of the drug, But

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Speaker 5: obviously with a contraceptive, we're going to have to give

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Speaker 5: it sort of life long or however long theistans or

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Speaker 5: testing multiple dosing, so when we're dosing it, you know,

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Speaker 3: Okay, and any already any concerns about side effects or no?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now do you think if this thing goes to market,

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure because this isn't this a fundamental problem

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Speaker 6: with the male contraceptive, which is the reason that women

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Speaker 6: take the female contraceptive is because we're going to be

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Speaker 3: Something goes wrong. So we are ensuring that we don't

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Speaker 3: feel pregnant. But now we're having to trust you dudes

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Speaker 3: to tell us nana's are good. I took the pill.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 5: I guess I guess the benefit here would be more

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Speaker 5: for the I guess the male and the relationship today

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Speaker 5: know that they be are taking their contraceptive if they

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Speaker 5: still continue to use their contraceptives as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I see, Okay, so this is so what we're

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Speaker 3: doing is we're saying you are you've basically got to

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Speaker 3: be responsible for yourself here, and we're giving men the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I guess I guess it's still very very

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Speaker 3: But row it. I mean, you must have women in

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Speaker 3: going to trust men to you know, do the right thing.

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Speaker 3: And take it diligently every twelve hours.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess like from my point of view, I would.

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Speaker 5: If I was a woman, I would still take my

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Speaker 5: take my own contraception too, if you get what I mean. Like,

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Speaker 3: Very good advice, rowe It, Thanks very much, Doctor RhoD Cartile,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Clinical Research lead research physician Heather. There's absolutely

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Speaker 3: no way that us men are smart enough to remember

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Speaker 3: not going to work now, it's not going to work

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Speaker 7: Do?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: I know a woman like this just went off her

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Speaker 3: pearl decided she's going to have a baby. He didn't

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Speaker 3: want to have a baby. She's like BUGGERA went off

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Speaker 3: that word. Outload that sentence out loud. Dramatic update today

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Speaker 3: on the Iranian women's football team over on the Golf

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Speaker 3: Murray Olds will update us when he's with us. Shortly

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather to See Allan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 3: Hither the COVID response came down to the fact that

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Speaker 3: Jacinda was and is a self described perfectionist and that

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Speaker 3: was the problem and is the last attribute needed in

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Speaker 3: a leader. You you don't need to be a perfectionist,

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Speaker 3: you need to be a realist. Well said Peter nineteen

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Speaker 3: past four and Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk Hoosters with us. Hello,

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Speaker 3: darce Hi Heather. Okay, so we've got Sophie Divine and

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Speaker 3: Susie Bates back in the White Fern squad.

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Speaker 8: This is good.

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Speaker 3: Why are they out?

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Speaker 8: Well, sovihe Devine's actually retired from One day international see

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Speaker 8: but the couverteen alive and she's back for the Tea

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Speaker 8: twenty defense the World Cup coming up in June.

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Speaker 3: H huh.

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Speaker 8: Unfortunately for Susie Baits she had a carth issue, so

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Speaker 8: she's been recovering since mid November I think it was,

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Speaker 8: So she's back in the fold again as well. Georgia

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Speaker 8: Plummer is back in the Fold two. So it's a

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Speaker 8: fifteen strong Tea twenty side that's been named. It's South

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Speaker 8: said on the rank fourth in the world, there's some

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Speaker 8: very good players of South Africans. So there's five games

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Speaker 8: It's five T twenties and three One Day Internationals and

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Speaker 3: How much do we know about why these two Crusaders

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Speaker 8: I don't think anybody outcomes stop that word. I don't

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Speaker 8: I don't think that would have been the case. It

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Speaker 4: It was all of it.

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Speaker 8: I think that last time Rob Penny got into a

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Speaker 8: Whether we'll see it or I don't know. Wouldn't you

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Speaker 2: So stories dies straight away.

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Speaker 8: Why not come on and talk about it. It's not

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Speaker 3: And I love what Ropenny said?

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Speaker 11: That does he?

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Speaker 12: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: I love it, mate, dares he water go Sports Talk

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Speaker 2: It's the mic asking Breakfastticla Willis's the finance Ministate.

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Speaker 3: The twenty five days plus whatever's on the water by

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Speaker 2: Places like Europe have thirty plus.

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Speaker 10: At the moment, we have around fifty days fuel combined

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Speaker 10: and fuel companies are not reporting issues with supply chains currently.

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Speaker 10: We're very conscious at the price at the pump is

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Speaker 13: Every New Zealander.

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Speaker 14: Simon Perimus, the CEO, what Homo fuel I don't want

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Speaker 14: to sound facetious about.

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Speaker 2: This, but is this good for business at the moment

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Speaker 5: You've any seen an increase in demand, but is it

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Speaker 5: good for business the hard your practice go. I don't

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Speaker 3: Here the stop being sexist. We trust you. We trust

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Speaker 3: you lot to take the pill, which is a you

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Speaker 3: lot are women? Now you don't. It's just another job

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Speaker 3: end for twenty six now in New Zealand. Inevitably, I

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's guidance cannot possibly hold. And sure enough it's

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Speaker 3: because the oil price is now up and down so much,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. They use they reckon, they're going to use

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Speaker 3: about I think it's twenty nine to two two point

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Speaker 3: They have already started to raise prices, so the domestic

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Speaker 3: ninety dollars, which if you think about the price of

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Speaker 3: if it keeps on carrying on like this, the all

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Speaker 3: with us after five o'clock and talk us through that.

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Speaker 3: And also the Maori party muddy Ameno's back. The High

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Speaker 3: Court said take her back, which is weird, very Soaper

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Speaker 2: Shortly our bore the same.

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Speaker 1: Cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duf Cyllen drive with one New Zealand coverage like no

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Speaker 2: News Talk said, beg you don't, oh.

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Speaker 3: God, probably come across this one now because this is

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Speaker 3: file black Ball Hilton. How dumb is this? So the

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Speaker 3: black Bull Hilton has had to rip out their outdoor

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Speaker 3: seating because of alcohol rules. So they did a routine

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Speaker 3: licensing renewal. They've already got the alcohol permission, permission to

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Speaker 3: Not a problem this time. Hello, you got some outdoor

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Speaker 3: rip them out. So they had to rip them out,

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Speaker 3: rip them out because if they didn't rip them out

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Speaker 3: for donkeys years, they would have to pay a fine

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Speaker 3: of twenty thousand dollars. We're going to talk to the

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Speaker 3: owner that is, have you got have you got the noise?

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Speaker 3: Ants answers trying to find the noise?

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Speaker 2: That sounds like a stupid rule.

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Speaker 3: Because it is. So the owner is going to be

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Speaker 3: at about quarter past five. Bary soapers of us in

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Speaker 3: ten minutes twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive so.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump says the war with Iran will soon be over.

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Speaker 3: He spoke at a press conference earlier today.

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Speaker 15: We've already won in many ways, but we haven't won enough.

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Speaker 2: I think you'll see it's going to be a short

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Speaker 3: On I ran, you called it an excursion. You said

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Speaker 3: it would be over soon. Are you thinking this week

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Speaker 3: it will be over?

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Speaker 15: I think so?

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Speaker 3: Okay, and rich respect, very soon. Australia has seen a plane,

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Speaker 16: All of this is in the defense of the golf countries.

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Speaker 3: And finally, the NBA has canceled the planned promotion by

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Speaker 3: Magic City is a prominent adult entertainment club in Atlanta,

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Speaker 3: and the Hawks were planning to make March sixteenth Magic

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Speaker 3: Adam Silver has canceled the promotion, saying it isn't in

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Speaker 3: Murriol's Ozzie correspondents to us Hamas afternoon. Heather, Okay, so

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Speaker 3: how much of the stuff are you sending over to

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Speaker 17: Well, we're sending. According to the Australian newspaper The Murdoch Press,

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Speaker 17: to be ending them to the Middle East. The United

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Speaker 17: to bomb the tripe out of Iran. So the Australian government,

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Speaker 17: can fly around up there and basically intercept, not physically intercept,

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Speaker 17: the idea is these wedge tail aircraft, we'll be able

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Speaker 17: eighty five personnel to go and help run this. We're

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Speaker 17: But you heard Richard Miles out of the Defense min

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Speaker 17: we're just basically helping out the UAE. I think in

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Speaker 17: brackets you can probably safely assume helping out Donald Trump,

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Speaker 17: who rang Anthony Alberanzi around Habas won this morning. Apparently

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Speaker 17: local time, elbows tucked up in bed in the South

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Speaker 17: Sydney pajamas and the bat phone goes and there's Uncle

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Speaker 17: Don from Washington. God knows what went through his mind.

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Speaker 3: Now, talk to me about these five who escaped. How'd

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Speaker 3: they make the break?

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Speaker 17: Well, apparently they these members of the Iranian women's football team,

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Speaker 17: made their intentions clear and the Australian Federal police were

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Speaker 17: sent in. Now, you know, I don't care if you

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Speaker 17: a Revolutionary Guard or the All Blacks or whatever, you

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Speaker 17: don't go messing with federal cops because they are very,

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Speaker 17: very powerful. As you know, they've got you know, jurisdiction here,

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Speaker 17: not the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. And so it's our

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Speaker 17: understanding they simply went to the rooms at these five

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Speaker 17: women and said, right, come with us, you're the ones

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Speaker 17: who And again this has been trained for quite some time,

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Speaker 17: for a number of days, and the deal was done

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Speaker 17: this morning about have us won? Not long after, Donald

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Speaker 17: Trump phoned Antony Albinezi and these five women are to

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Speaker 17: be allowed to stay in Australia. They've got special visas

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Speaker 17: and they'll stay as long as they wish. And the

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Speaker 17: same invitation, Heather has been extended to every other member

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Speaker 17: of the Iranian women's team who wishes to not go

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Speaker 17: back home and to stay on here in Australia and

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Speaker 17: considerable risk to their families apparently as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have thought so. So do we know

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Speaker 3: how they got the message out or how the message

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Speaker 3: got into the team?

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Speaker 17: No, we don't. That was not conveyed this morning by

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Speaker 17: the Prime Minister. But suffice to say Federal Police did

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Speaker 17: have a role. Now, whether or not there were female

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Speaker 17: members of the AFP who were assigned to provide security

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Speaker 17: detail the Revolutionary Guard component, we understand they weren't, you know,

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Speaker 17: dressed up in the uniforms they were wearing, you know,

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Speaker 17: tracksuits and team apparel and so on, looking like, you know,

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Speaker 17: the nastiest fittest bunch of physiotherapists you've ever seen in

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Speaker 17: your life, I guess. But they were there to apparently

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Speaker 17: keep a very very close eye on these young women,

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Speaker 17: and the Federal Police went in apparently and grabbed them

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Speaker 17: and said, right, you're coming with us.

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Speaker 18: Now.

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Speaker 17: The timeline for them to leave Australia. We don't know

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Speaker 17: the balance of the team apparently not. You know, a

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Speaker 17: number do want to go home. They don't know all

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Speaker 17: want to stay here, but there may be some others

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Speaker 17: who do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, listen to if one the driver's already out.

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Speaker 17: The drivers have fled and I knew nothing about this. Again,

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Speaker 17: it's a Murdoch Paper story. Apparently, if you're a foreigner

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Speaker 17: and you come to Australia and you earn any money,

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Speaker 17: you're paying forty five percent. It's called a foreign residence tax.

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Speaker 17: So every dollar you make forty five sets goes to

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Speaker 17: the Australian government and it's it's a tax that's applied

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Speaker 17: to every foreigner. So that's why Max for Staffan was

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Speaker 17: here for six days. The example is used is for

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Speaker 17: Staffan he earns about seventy million US a year, so

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Speaker 17: in six days he earned one point one five million dollars.

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Speaker 17: Forty five percent of that would have been four hundred

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Speaker 17: and sixty bucks every day. He's up for another seventy

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Speaker 17: six thousand dollars. He said to his personal bloody pilot,

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Speaker 17: get me out of here quick, Albanez. He's got his

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Speaker 17: hand in my pocket. I want out of here. And

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Speaker 17: so apparently every F one driver's gone. They're all up

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Speaker 17: to China, apparently much more generous tax regime up there.

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Speaker 17: And all the poor mechanics. I always feel for them.

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Speaker 17: The drivers bend the cars, bust them up like Pastri did.

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Speaker 17: They've got to put them all back together in a

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Speaker 17: week in time for the next race.

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Speaker 3: Myles, thank you very much, as always appreciated.

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Speaker 15: Mate.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you soon. Murray Old's Australia correspondent for

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Speaker 3: the market seem to have calmed down a little bit

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Speaker 3: as the day has gone on, really since overnight. Rice

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Speaker 3: is down. It's currently about it's just below ninety dollars.

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Speaker 3: This is a brin crew just below ninety US dollars.

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Speaker 3: Z X is up about one and a half percent.

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Speaker 3: It hasn't really recovered yesterday's but again, you know, yesterday

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Speaker 3: wasn't massive What has settled everything down is Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: saying that the Iran war was very complete. There is

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Speaker 3: some speculation that getting that. I mean, if you believe

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Speaker 3: what he is saying, you might be getting a little

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Speaker 3: ahead of yourself. And I'll get you some analysis of

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Speaker 3: that very shortly. Barry Soapers with us next though, on

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Speaker 3: the COVID inquiry sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centric credit, Check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Chris Hopkins, Labor Party leader and obviously former Health Minister

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Speaker 3: on the COVID Commission of Inquiry the Royal Commission of

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Speaker 3: Inquiry into COVID after half past five. Right now, it's

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Speaker 3: thirteen away from five, and Barry Soper, our senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 3: is with us. Aloe Berry, Good afternoon. It's been a

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Speaker 3: hot topic of debate today, isn't it.

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Speaker 9: Well it has, and I've got to say personally, has

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Speaker 9: brought back some terrible memories of what the time was like,

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Speaker 9: particularly in the long lockdown here in Auckland that when

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Speaker 9: I understand the official said it didn't have to be

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Speaker 9: locked down as long as it was, but nevertheless they

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Speaker 9: kept us in a prison like situation and it really

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Speaker 9: was people who were distrustful of their neighbors was just awful.

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Speaker 9: So the motion on the Royal Commission's COVID findings was moved,

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Speaker 9: of course, by the Health Minister Simeon Brown, who was

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Speaker 9: followed by Labour's COVID minister at the time and the

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Speaker 9: former Prime Minister Chris Hipkins.

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Speaker 15: Have we listen?

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Speaker 19: The Royal Commission finds that restrictions extended beyond what public

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Speaker 19: health advice recommended. Decisions meant that kiwis were separated from family,

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Speaker 19: people could not be at the bedside of dying loved ones,

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Speaker 19: and funerals were held without family present. Businesses closed and

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Speaker 19: children stayed home from school for months. Mental health services

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Speaker 19: were overwhelmed, and many New Zealanders are still living with

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Speaker 19: these consequences today. The Commission finds former ministers chose to

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Speaker 19: keep Auckland an alert level before lockdown against public health

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Speaker 19: advice and unredacted cabinet paper obtained by the Royal Commission

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Speaker 19: also revealed that former Minister's kept an Auckland boundary in

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Speaker 19: place over Christmas and New Year, against the explicit advice

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Speaker 19: of the Ministry of Health. The Commission finds that economic

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Speaker 19: buffers were depleted and the debt that accumulated has left

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Speaker 19: New Zealand with less room to respond to future shocks.

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Speaker 14: And a direct quote sums up what I think is

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Speaker 14: a high quality report. Quote evidence shows New Zealand had

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Speaker 14: had one of the best pandemic responses in the world.

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Speaker 14: End quote by a further quote by many measures altero

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Speaker 14: in New Zealand's response to the pandemic was enviable. We

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Speaker 14: recorded lower case numbers and for your COVID nineteen deaths

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Speaker 14: per capita than nearly all comparable countries.

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Speaker 2: But we would wouldn't we.

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Speaker 9: I mean, we are an Ireland nation. I don't know

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Speaker 9: why we're lauding the fact that we had fewer deaths,

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Speaker 9: but you know it was. It was a tough time.

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Speaker 9: But ax David Seymore's is what labor allowed to happen

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Speaker 9: during the COVID period can't be forgotten. And it's not

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Speaker 9: just those who died with the disease. He's followed here

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Speaker 9: by the Maldi Party's Debbie no Riwa Packer.

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Speaker 11: Here it was those women.

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Speaker 20: Who didn't know they had breast cancer because screening was stopped.

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Speaker 20: It was those children who missed out on learning that

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Speaker 20: will affect them for their lifetime because education was put down,

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Speaker 20: the society's totem pole of priorities as COVID became everything.

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Speaker 20: It's those butchers who were crying on the footpath as

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Speaker 20: they threw out meat yet again because their stores were

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Speaker 20: shut while their competitors in the back of supermarkets could continue.

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Speaker 18: But the truth is, this is the guy. When he

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Speaker 18: was Minister of Police, crime went up. When he was

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Speaker 18: Minister of Education, school attendants went down. When he was

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Speaker 18: Prime minister, government dent went through the roof. If this

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Speaker 18: guy opened a funeral parlor, no would die. He can

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Speaker 18: screw up anything.

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Speaker 21: We know that Maldian Pacifica communities were disproportionately affected, and

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Speaker 21: that isn't something that's because of their culture.

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Speaker 3: That's because of deprivation.

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Speaker 21: How does the Minister exoncise the report's findings with us

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Speaker 21: ongoing removal of Tatariti obligations from the health system.

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Speaker 12: I will speak.

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Speaker 19: I say those are two separate things.

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Speaker 9: And they certainly are. It did bring back memories. I

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Speaker 9: remember getting back from Auckland here and doorstopping Jacindada and

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Speaker 9: asking her how many times have you been to your

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Speaker 9: electorate in Mount Albert in the time that Auckland's been

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Speaker 9: locked down. She hadn't been No, she hadn't come here.

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Speaker 9: She said, I've got people on the ground that will

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Speaker 9: tell me what's happening. No, you don't.

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Speaker 3: I think everybody was shocked when the anger of Auckland

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Speaker 3: was funneled down to well. She appeared at the post, she.

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Speaker 9: Went, she went, came up here the week later and

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Speaker 9: visited a place.

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Speaker 3: That who remained open luxeant first caucus. Did they discussed it,

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Speaker 3: would have discussed it, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 9: That Paul result was obviously on the agenda. A question though,

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Speaker 9: I've got to say Luxan was pretty relax in the

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Speaker 9: House today, so he obviously feels quite good having come

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Speaker 9: out of the Caukers. And a question on the number

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Speaker 9: of kiwi's leaving the country somewhat backfired on the labor

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Speaker 9: leader Chrusipkins today.

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Speaker 14: Does he think that the two thousand New Zealanders a

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Speaker 14: week who have been giving up and leaving the country

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Speaker 14: under his leadership feel that the economy's turned around?

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Speaker 22: Well, I'm pleased to report that actually New Zealander's returning

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Speaker 22: back to New Zealand was up twelve percent on the

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Speaker 22: previous year and for the last four months. I'm very

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Speaker 22: pleased to say that New Zealander is leaving is less

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Speaker 22: than in any month in the period that he was prominised.

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Speaker 3: Touch why doesn't he just asks Matejorson that who's the

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Speaker 3: leading king leaders left the country if he really wants

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Speaker 3: to exactly exactly? Hey, so how is this going to

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Speaker 3: work if the Maori Party is forced to take Marie

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Speaker 3: a mental cup of kinni back? Well, I don't want

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Speaker 3: to check her out with.

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Speaker 9: Great difficulty, I would imagine, I mean John Tammy here,

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Speaker 9: he is not going to be happy. And what it

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Speaker 9: sees is the actions that they talk are wrong and

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Speaker 9: a lot of people would say, well a court of

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Speaker 9: law should they be deciding these things? Well, you know,

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Speaker 9: every party has the constitution and it would seem they

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Speaker 9: were in breach of this when they booted Karpakini out

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Speaker 9: and don't forget essentially what they said was she had

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Speaker 9: misused funds. Well, what's become of that?

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Speaker 15: Nothing?

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Speaker 9: Really, But what's going to become of the Maori Party,

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Speaker 9: who could indeed be in coalition with the Labor Party.

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Speaker 9: Doesn't hold a lot of stead for a solid unified party,

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Speaker 9: does it.

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Speaker 3: No, Barry, thanks very much appreciate it. Barry Soper, Senior

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Speaker 3: political correspondent. And as I say, Simeon Brown is with

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Speaker 3: us after five, Chris Hopkins is with us after half

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Speaker 3: past five. It's seven away from five right now. By

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Speaker 3: the way, you remember the Kyle Sanderlands Jackie Othing, the

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Speaker 3: radio host over in Australia, the duo over Australia was

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Speaker 3: telling you about last week, Kyle Sandy Lanz. She a

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Speaker 3: couple of days after we talked about it, put out

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Speaker 3: a press release going I didn't actually agree to step,

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Speaker 3: I haven't resigned. I don't know what they're saying. Hayes

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Speaker 3: just put out a statement saying he didn't breach his contract.

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Speaker 3: He demands that his deal beyond it and he's going

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Speaker 3: to fight to be back on air. So that thing

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Speaker 3: is so it's starting to look very much like what

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Speaker 3: I thought it was, which was the company was using

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Speaker 3: it as an excuse to get rid of a contract

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Speaker 3: that is so unbelievably expensive as twenty million bucks the

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Speaker 3: pair of them every single year, four away from five.

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Speaker 3: So a thing happened today, right. So obviously what we're

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Speaker 3: all talking about is the Royal Commission and Commission of inquiry.

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Speaker 3: Something else happened today in that Just Cinda hit the

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Speaker 3: social media for the first time in ages and put

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Speaker 3: out a life update.

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Speaker 23: It's been very a very very long time since since

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Speaker 23: I did one of these, so in advance, I'm going

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Speaker 23: to just acknowledge that I'm bound to do some clumsy things.

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Speaker 23: I spent some time with my family on Sunday and

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Speaker 23: then spoke at an event these Sydney out for her house.

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Speaker 3: Whoo, what an update. So she spent some time with

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Speaker 3: her family on Sunday, she spoke at an event in Sydney,

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Speaker 3: and now she's on her way to Melbourne on a plane,

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Speaker 3: and she's joined the Global Advisory Council of Law zero

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Speaker 3: and she's going to do some work for the Mats

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Speaker 3: to Kee Fund. That is the life update. Why should

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Speaker 3: you be suspicious of it? Because why is just Cinda

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden on the day that the COVID

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Speaker 3: Commission of Inquiry reports the Commission of Inquiry, which, by

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Speaker 3: the way, she stood up and refused to appear publicly before,

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Speaker 3: Why on that day does she put out an insta video.

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Speaker 3: Why Because it's a deliberate attempt to make the lovies

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Speaker 3: feel like She's still their friend and hasn't given up

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Speaker 3: on them, and hasn't really just taken the money and

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Speaker 3: gapped it away from this place.

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Speaker 7: A little above.

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, could you feel more cynical Simmy and

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Speaker 3: Brown Health Minister with us next on exactly that inquiry newstoksb.

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Speaker 2: You're in dressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Heather duplus.

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Speaker 1: Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one

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Speaker 1: else news doorgs Hapy.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. If you were under the impression that the Arduna

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Speaker 3: response to COVID was completely based on health advice and

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Speaker 3: simply following the science, then the Royal Commission of Inquiry

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Speaker 3: report out today made dissuade you of that notion. Turns

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Speaker 3: out that Cabinet chose to keep Auckland Is in lockdown

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Speaker 3: level four in September twenty twenty one, nearly a week

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Speaker 3: longer than Ashley Bloomfield advised, and that the Auckland boundary

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Speaker 3: was up forty two to thirty two days longer than required.

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Speaker 3: We're going to have then COVID Minister Chris Hipkins, who

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Speaker 3: made these decisions in about half an hour. But first

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Speaker 3: the Health Minister Simeon BrownHouse, heisamn.

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Speaker 19: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: When you read this report for the first time, what

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Speaker 3: caught your rye?

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Speaker 19: Well, I think a number of things. Firstly, I think

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Speaker 19: it showed that the previous government did lock us down

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Speaker 19: for longer than wa Wasney's necessary. It also highlighted that

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Speaker 19: they spent too much and they continued spending on many

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Speaker 19: things which went related to the pandemic, and that we're

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Speaker 19: still facing those consequences today.

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Speaker 3: Hipkins says, read the keeping us on lockdown level four

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Speaker 3: for longer. Hipkins says that the advice that Ashley Bloomfield

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Speaker 3: gave the day before cabinet he changed overnight and orally

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Speaker 3: said the opposite. Do you buy that?

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Speaker 15: Look?

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Speaker 19: Ultimately, the paper that cabinet paper that went up and

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Speaker 19: what the Royal Commission found was that the option put

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Speaker 19: to cabinet was to lock down Auckland for one week

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Speaker 19: less than what was decided, and what happened was a

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Speaker 19: different decision came out of that. The reality is Crosspkin

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Speaker 19: said during the time that he was making these decisions

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Speaker 19: based on health advice, and he should have been transparent

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Speaker 19: where he was not, and that's I think an issue

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Speaker 19: which this Royal Commission has now shone a lot on

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Speaker 19: a light on Is.

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Speaker 3: It possible though, that Ashley Bloomfield does have asleep on

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Speaker 3: it and change his mind overnight.

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Speaker 19: I mean, look anything, I it's possible. But the reality

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Speaker 19: here is the Royal Commission has found that the Ministry

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Speaker 19: of Health, actually Bloomfield Ministry of Health provided advice that

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Speaker 19: it could have been lifted earlier, and ultimately Cabinet decided

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Speaker 19: not to. And those those are questions that should be

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Speaker 19: put to cross Hipkins as to why they made those decisions,

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Speaker 19: and you'll obviously have them on the program later. And

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Speaker 19: the second key, key one was the restriction around Auckland,

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Speaker 19: the border restriction around Auckland for thirty two days over

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Speaker 19: the summer of twenty one twenty two. Ultimately that was

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Speaker 19: not needed. The officials made it very clear vaccination rates

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Speaker 19: were high across the country. There was no need to

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Speaker 19: put checks in place around the Auckland area for people

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Speaker 19: leaving or coming in. And ultimately, if they and the

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Speaker 19: advice was clear from the Ministry, if that was in place,

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Speaker 19: they would put a huge burden on the testing regime.

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Speaker 19: We've got to remember that was before the government let

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Speaker 19: us actually use those rat tests which we will now use.

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Speaker 19: That was putting significant burden on the testing system, so

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Speaker 19: many decisions were made. They stood up every day on

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Speaker 19: the Podium of Truth told us that they were following

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Speaker 19: health advice. Well, the Royal Commission said, actually, in number

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Speaker 19: of instances they weren't.

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Speaker 3: What happened to the health advice not to double jab

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Speaker 3: the kids.

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Speaker 19: So this issue is I think quite a serious issue

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Speaker 19: and it shows a significant failure on behalf of the

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Speaker 19: Ministry of Health where the Technical Advisory Group provided advice

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Speaker 19: to the Ministry saying actually children didn't need two jabs

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Speaker 19: for twelve to seventeen year olds, one was actually enough

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Speaker 19: and if they had a second one starts increasing the

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Speaker 19: risk of round my car dieist. So quite a serious issue.

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Speaker 19: The Royal Commission found that that advice was not made

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Speaker 19: sufficiently clear to ministers. However, there was a piece of

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Speaker 19: advice provided two Cross Hipkins on the twenty second of

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Speaker 19: December twenty twenty one which did raise those concerns about

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Speaker 19: the vaccination mandate, the number of does that were required,

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Speaker 19: and ultimately those mandates stayed in place and Chris Hipkins

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Speaker 19: and doctor Verel who ended up signing that paper, will

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Speaker 19: need to explain why they didn't ask further questions why

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Speaker 19: those mandates stayed in place even though those concerns were

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Speaker 19: raised to them at that time.

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Speaker 3: They say that the paper that explicitly advises them not

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Speaker 3: to force the kids to have a double jab never

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Speaker 3: reached them. Can we explain that?

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Speaker 19: Well, the report goes into quite some detail on this

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Speaker 19: point and it says if you read paragraph four hundred

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Speaker 19: and thirteen and four hundred and fourteen of the report,

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Speaker 19: it highlights very clearly that the report that they did

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Speaker 19: receive on the twenty second of November says that the

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Speaker 19: Technical Advisory Group has raised concerns about vaccine mandates requiring

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Speaker 19: younger age groups eg. Those under eighteen years to be

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Speaker 19: fully vaccinated. Considerations should be given to permitting younger people

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Speaker 19: who have had one dose to be permitted to work

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Speaker 19: or undertake other activities covered by the mandate. So they

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Speaker 19: were provided that was what they were told by the

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Speaker 19: Ministry of Health on the twenty second of December, and

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Speaker 19: those mandates were still in place and kept in place.

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Speaker 19: That the Minister of the Minister for COVID nineteen, Chris Hopkins,

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Speaker 19: when he saw that should have started asking questions to

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Speaker 19: get further information. It's not good enough just to say

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Speaker 19: we didn't receive something. He was given something and his

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Speaker 19: job was then to ask questions and delve into something

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Speaker 19: which did raise quite a serious safety risk for those children.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, thanks very much for your time that

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Speaker 3: Simmy and Brown the Health Minister twelve past five, Heather

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Speaker 3: do for see el Let's reminder. Of course, Chris Hopkins

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Speaker 3: is with us after half past five. Now the inevitable

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Speaker 3: has happened in New Zealand has suspended its previous earnings

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Speaker 3: guidance and up to fair prices because of the Iran

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Speaker 3: Wars impact on the oil price. Air New Zealand was

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Speaker 3: already facing a second half loss of around fifty nine

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Speaker 3: million dollars. But of course it's going to get worse.

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Speaker 3: Aviation commentator Irene King is with us now, Hi, Irene

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Speaker 3: hi there. So how much worse do you think it

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Speaker 3: will get?

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Speaker 7: You know, it's hard to say. Some of the financial

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Speaker 7: commentators were saying the loss is going to be twice

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Speaker 7: the level, and that was their comments before the seal

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Speaker 7: price really spiked, so you know, it does not looking good.

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Speaker 7: Now they do have some time to take some remediate action.

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Speaker 7: So that's the positive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but what action can they take?

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Speaker 7: Oh, look, they've got a lot of costs that they

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Speaker 7: can pull out of this business. They really have never

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Speaker 7: addressed the cost side of their business since post COVID,

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Speaker 7: and they really could get stuck in there. And you know,

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Speaker 7: their labor costs are astronomical.

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Speaker 3: So fire people. Is that the only way they can

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Speaker 3: save money?

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Speaker 7: Well, that's one of the variable costs. The other one

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Speaker 7: is sort of looking at their whole procurement strategies, what

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Speaker 7: they're buying, why they're buying it. Of things are buying,

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Speaker 7: you know, they are they buying them sensibly, there's you know,

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Speaker 7: there's some big cost drivers and that whole engineering procurement

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Speaker 7: area that again haven't been fundamentally touched. So I'm sure

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Speaker 7: they're getting on top of it. I'm moving now, but

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Speaker 7: gee was pretty late.

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Speaker 15: In the day too.

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Speaker 3: Right now, they've popped up the fares already, Domestics gone

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Speaker 3: up by ten dollars, short haul by twenty dollars, long

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Speaker 3: haul by ninety dollars. Do you think that's the end

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Speaker 3: of it?

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Speaker 9: Probably not.

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Speaker 7: You know, when you start to think about how this

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Speaker 7: is going to shake down. You know, it comes down

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Speaker 7: to really how much you and I are prepared to pay.

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Speaker 7: And you know, in the past they've always put it

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Speaker 7: in as a levy and could whip it off quite quickly.

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Speaker 7: But if they've built it into to base fears, you

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Speaker 7: know they're going to get the course of customer complaints

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Speaker 7: that they've always had. Competitive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, thank you very much to appreciate your

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Speaker 3: time is always That's Irene King, avigation industry commentator. Right,

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Speaker 3: Nineteen past five. I'm going to get to the text shortly. First, though,

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Speaker 3: let's deal with what's been happening at the South Island Pub.

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Speaker 3: So this pub has had to get rid of some

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Speaker 3: of its outdoor seating to avoid a twenty thousand dollars fine.

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Speaker 3: It's formerly the Black Ball Helton. It's gone through the

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Speaker 3: latest liquor license renewal plenty of times. This time, all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, the seats outdoors are a problem. The owner,

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Speaker 3: Cynthia Robbins, is with us. Now Hi, Cynthia, Hi here

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Speaker 3: they have it going. I'm very well, thanks mate. You

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Speaker 3: sound incredibly chipper for somebody's had to rip out the

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Speaker 3: seats outside.

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Speaker 11: I've done the crying. That's over the weekend. I've moved

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Speaker 11: on from that now, but it was pretty upsetting for sure.

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00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet Why is it all of a sudden

877
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 3: a problem when you've done this three or four times

878
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 3: and nobody's ever raised any issue.

879
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 11: I think it's that they're becoming much more stretched with

880
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 11: what's within the licensed area, and because our licensed area

881
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 11: ends at the verandah, because we've only got a license

882
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 11: to occupy the veranda space that anything outside that, if

883
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 11: you buy a drink on license, then you can't move

884
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 11: beyond the license area. And it's never ever been a problem,

885
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 11: so we didn't even think twice about it when we

886
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 11: got our license, just carried on business as usual. And

887
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 11: then one of the district licensing committee members went past

888
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 11: and went into council next day and said that not

889
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 11: meeting the license, and all of a sudden, council got

890
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 11: arped up and we got arped up, and we said, well,

891
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 11: until this is resolved, we just can't have the tables there.

892
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 11: And one of them is actually a very very historic

893
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 11: table in keeping with the black Ball Hilton being such

894
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 11: an iconic and historic pub because that table was actually

895
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 11: built out of the bridge timbers that used to span

896
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 11: the Gray River, and when that bridge was lost, those

897
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 11: bridge timbers came up here and that's one of the tables.

898
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 3: So am I right in thinking that that table was

899
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 3: half half okay by the rules, and then the other

900
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 3: half was outside the rules.

901
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 11: No, all of them completely, two tables complete the outside

902
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 11: and they have been, if you really want to split

903
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 11: here as they have been for decades outside the license area.

904
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 11: Ever caused a problem, never caused the problem, never had

905
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 11: an accident, never had anybody hit by a vehicle or anything.

906
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 11: Just everybody's just really good and chill with them and

907
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 11: it's great. So and black Ball itself is the gateway

908
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 11: to the Papara Track, the tenth Grade walk, and so

909
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 11: now I feel like the town doesn't look as inviting

910
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 11: because those tables aren't out there with the umbrellas up

911
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 11: but looking more friendly with people sitting there, you know,

912
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 11: looking welcoming.

913
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: Cynthia, what's happened? I mean, would there was a time

914
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 3: we're in New Zealand were have looked at every outside

915
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 3: the rules. But it's not hurting anyone in mind, just

916
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 3: drive part. Why are we all of a sudden being

917
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 3: such little.

918
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 11: Top I don't think all of a sudden. I don't

919
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 11: think it's all of a sudden. I think it's little

920
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 11: by little, chip by chip. This is being done over

921
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 11: a long period of time, and because people just let

922
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 11: that little bit side and that little bit slide, eventually

923
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 11: a whole lot slip and we haven't noticed it going.

924
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 11: And so I'm standing up for it because I don't

925
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 11: believe it should be like.

926
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: That fight at Cynthia. We're on your side, thank you,

927
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 3: Cynthia Robbins, owner of formerly the black Ball Hilton. We're

928
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: not tyed. What we are is it's well little clipboard

929
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 3: warrior nerds, aren't we That's what we've been. I'm a

930
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: little narks anyway, don't need to go on about it.

931
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: I think we all know Heither. Currently it costs eight

932
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 3: hundred dollars to one thousand dollars return Wellington to fun

933
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 3: at a Seriously, I need to go to a funeral.

934
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: This is ridiculous. That's from Susie Hither. You probably don't

935
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 3: need hipkins on because he's just going to say how

936
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: incredibly proud he is of their work and reiterate how

937
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: many lives they saved. Probably right, Mike. We've we sat

938
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: through those fresh conferences a long time. We know exactly

939
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 3: what's going to happen. A, yes, we do. Five twenty

940
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: two hard.

941
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: Questions, strong opinion here the duplicy ell and drive with

942
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: one New Zealand and the power of satellite mobile news

943
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: Dog said, be hither.

944
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: The markets are like my wife on menopause. They're just

945
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 3: all over the place and so fragile. Muz, thank you

946
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 3: for that. Matt Goodson Salt Funds Management is going to

947
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: be with us after six to talk us for exactly

948
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 3: where the markets are at the close of play today

949
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: and what to expect from here on. In five twenty five,

950
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 3: I'm going to offer some unsolicited advice to the government

951
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 3: regarding Wellington's rejection today of the move on orders. Let

952
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: them let Wellington do it. If you haven't seen it yet,

953
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 3: go find the open letter that the Wellington bigwigs have

954
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 3: written to the government about the move on orders. Quote,

955
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 3: we want to advise you that move on orders are

956
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: not welcome in this region. And then it is signed

957
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: by the Wellington City Mayor Andrew Little, Upper Hut City

958
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 3: Mayor Ken Laban Upper Hut Hut City mare Ken Laban

959
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: Upper Hut Mayor Perries put it to as mayor, Company's mayor,

960
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: the local EWE and the local church leaders. Now I

961
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 3: recommend to the government that they don't fight this, don't

962
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: force Wellington to do what it doesn't want to do.

963
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 3: Police as run across this country district by district. Each

964
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 3: district can do its own thing. So if Wellington police

965
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: want to sit down with Wellington community leaders have a

966
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 3: chat about it and not implement the move on orders

967
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 3: and not move the rough sleepers away from the CBD,

968
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: let do that. Let's see how it works for Wellington,

969
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: because my prediction is every other city that uses the

970
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: opportunity will clean up their CBDs, maybe a christ Church,

971
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: New Plymouth, Ortureau Auckland, and after some time with the

972
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: rough sleepers out and not disrupting people, the CBDs will

973
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: revive to what they were and then the residents of

974
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 3: these various cities will fly down to Wellington for I

975
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: don't know, Wellington on a plate maybe Wow, maybe the

976
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: Rugby and be shocked at the state of the place,

977
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 3: Shocked that there are still rough sleepers sleeping all over

978
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: the footpath and disrupting people as they walk by. I'll

979
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: go back and they'll talk to their friends about it.

980
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: Maybe their friends won't go down to Wellington after that,

981
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: and maybe businesses will simply be encouraged to speed up

982
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: what's already been going on for decades, and they will

983
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: relocate their head offices away from Wellington and to the

984
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: other centers that are much nicer places. Now, maybe Wellington

985
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: will become some sort of New Zealand sanctuary city for

986
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 3: homeless people who don't want to sleep where it's quiet,

987
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: but much prefer to sleep in high foot traffic areas.

988
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 3: I reckon Wellington should be allowed to chart its own course,

989
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 3: and if it wants to do this, don't fight it.

990
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: As mal Robins says.

991
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: Them, he the duplicy Ellen.

992
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 3: Did we know now? I don't think we knew this,

993
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: so this might be a little something something if you're

994
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: a political nerd for you. Did we know that Kitty

995
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: Tapoo Allen has written a book? Did we know what?

996
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 3: Of course she did? I mean everybody's writing books nowadays.

997
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: That that that half wit who sometimes is on the show,

998
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 3: Barry sope he's written a book if he's going to

999
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: read that later on don't tell him I said that anyway,

1000
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 3: Kitty tap back back to the subject at hand, Kitty tapoo.

1001
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: Allen's book is called Survival and Disruption semi colon my story. Now.

1002
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 3: How I know this is somebody called me up and

1003
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: they were like, hey, did you know Kurty's written a book.

1004
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: I I didn't know that. They said, well, look at

1005
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: you go to Amazon and type this and then you'll

1006
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: find it. And sure enough, and I think they've preloaded

1007
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 3: it on the Amazon website. Survival and Disruptions coming out

1008
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: on the second of June. You can also find it

1009
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 3: on the Peenguin website, but different publication date, fourth of August.

1010
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 3: And she's going to change forty dollars and frankly, I'm

1011
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: paying forty dollars, so I want to know what happened

1012
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: with that drink driving thing.

1013
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: Chris Hipkins next, digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's

1014
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: Heather duper Cllen drive with one New Zealand coverage like

1015
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: no one else news talks.

1016
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: They'd be.

1017
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: Jeezu and yet another sign that Australian politics is just

1018
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 3: so much more exciting than ours. David Little Proud, the

1019
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: leader of the Nationals, has just quit. He says, I'm proud,

1020
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 3: but I'm tired, which is basically just a variation of

1021
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: I've got nothing left in the tank. So anyway, watch

1022
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 3: how that plays out. It's Huddle's standing by I got

1023
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: Sarah Troupman and Rob Campbell tonight right now, though, let's

1024
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: get more on the COVID report and the restrictions endured

1025
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 3: by Kiwi's Chris Hopkins was the COVID Minister at the

1026
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: time and is with us now. High Chippy, Heather, what

1027
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 3: made you decide to keep Auckland and lockdown five days

1028
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: longer than Ashley Bloomfield told you to?

1029
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 4: So Ashley Broomfield's advice at the cabinet meeting was different

1030
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 4: to the advice that was reflected in the cabinet paper.

1031
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 4: So at the cabinet meeting he argued in favor of

1032
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 4: the decision that we ultimately took, and that him and

1033
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 4: just Into then announced that afternoon, have you got paper

1034
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 4: trail to prove it? Well? He spoke to that at

1035
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 4: the press conference, so there's a pay per trail of

1036
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 4: there's a transcript of the press conference where he said,

1037
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 4: my advice to the cabinet was to extend the lockdown

1038
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 4: for another five days.

1039
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: But he's going to say something like that. It's basically

1040
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: collective cabinet responsibility, isn't it. So what is your proof

1041
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: that he changed his advice completely overnight.

1042
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 4: Well, this was not unusual. So during COVID, the cabinet

1043
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 4: papers were often prepared several days before the cabinet meeting

1044
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 4: and they were based on preliminary public health advice. The

1045
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 4: Director General would then attend the meetings and he would

1046
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 4: present the most up to date public health advice based

1047
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 4: on what was available that morning to the cabinet at

1048
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 4: the meeting. And that's what happened in the substance.

1049
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 3: Okay, why did he change his advice.

1050
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 4: Well, it would have been to do with what they

1051
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 4: were seeing in terms of their contact tracing, the testing

1052
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 4: results and so on that would have come in and

1053
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 4: a couple of days between when the preliminary advice was

1054
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 4: prepared and when he met with the cabinet that day.

1055
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 3: Because I don't I mean, look, I'm going to sound

1056
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 3: like I don't believe you could. Frankly, I don't believe you, Chippy.

1057
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the cabinet advice he gave you the

1058
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: day before it is an enormous bundle of papers, and

1059
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: you want to tell me that he sat there and

1060
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: prepared all of this advice for you, and then overnight

1061
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: he slept on it and went, Actually, do you know what,

1062
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to go in there and I'm going to

1063
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 3: tell them the opposite.

1064
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 4: Well, you don't have to take my word for it.

1065
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: Hither you can go and have a look at the

1066
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 4: transcript of the press conference that very are you did

1067
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 4: your where the Broomfield spoke to that. But let's also

1068
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 4: be clear because I've also spoken about this subsequently to that,

1069
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 4: you know, over the last couple of years. I do

1070
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 4: think the Royal Commission have a point in saying that

1071
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 4: they thought that the Auckland lockdown went on too long.

1072
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 4: I've already conceded that, but it's wrong to say that

1073
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 4: we didn't follow the public health advice.

1074
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 15: We did did that.

1075
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 4: But did that result in us extending the lockdown too

1076
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 4: long for Auckland? Yes, I think it did.

1077
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 3: Did you tell the Royal Commission of Inquiry that they

1078
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 3: were wrong and in fact he changed his advice orally

1079
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 3: on the day.

1080
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 4: We went through all of that in great detail with them,

1081
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 4: and you can see that because The transcript of my

1082
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 4: multiple interviews with the Royal Commission is attached to their report.

1083
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: Why did you force kids under eighteen to take the

1084
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 3: JAB twice when the officials told you that it was

1085
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: risky for their hearts and you shouldn't do it.

1086
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 4: That's actually incorrect. If you read the Royal Commission report,

1087
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 4: that advice never went to ministers, and I am disappointed

1088
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 4: by that because had that advice gone to ministers, the

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Speaker 4: decisions may well have been different.

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Speaker 3: Well, what's the advice they gave you? On the twenty

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Speaker 3: second of December twenty one, the second.

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Speaker 4: Of dicass between the first, oh, sorry, the first piece

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Speaker 4: of advice that we received said that they thought that

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Speaker 4: we should consider allowing people to work in those settings

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Speaker 4: with only one dose of the vaccine. Subsequent advice raised

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Speaker 4: the concerns around myocarditis and so on, But that advice

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Speaker 4: never went to ministers, and had it done, had it

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Speaker 4: gone to ministers, we may well have made different decisions.

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Speaker 4: But the Royal Commission itself found that that advice should

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Speaker 4: have gone to cabinet. It was a pretty major mistake

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Speaker 4: that it didn't go to cabinet, and the Ministry of

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Speaker 4: Health today have come out and said yes, that they

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Speaker 4: admitted that they messed that up.

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Speaker 3: Are you telling me, oh, ministers or any advice raising

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Speaker 3: questions about the safety of a second dose for kids?

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Speaker 4: That's correct, And the Royal Commission themselves wrote that in

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Speaker 4: their report.

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Speaker 3: Okay twenty second of December twenty twenty one, you get

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Speaker 3: advice raising concerns about vaccine mandates requiring younger age groups

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Speaker 3: brackets eg. Those under eighteen years to be fully vaccinated.

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Speaker 3: Consideration should be given to permitting young younger people who

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Speaker 3: have had one dose to be exempt from mandates. And

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Speaker 3: one of you, either aisher or yourself, writes in the

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Speaker 3: paragraph in the margins of the paragraph, concerns at the

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00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 3: time were about insufficient data on safety of second dose.

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Speaker 4: So you knew that that was effectively the first advice

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00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 4: of which doctor Verel was you know. Following there asked

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Speaker 4: for the further advice that was prepared on the issues

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00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 4: around safety. Unfortunately, that advice, that further advice never went

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Speaker 4: back to ministers after that. So she did the right

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Speaker 4: thing in querying there and asking for the further advice

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Speaker 4: to be prepared. That further advice was then never given

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Speaker 4: to ministers.

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Speaker 3: But you guys knew. I mean, the thing about it

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Speaker 3: is what I don't understand is you knew that there

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Speaker 3: was concern that it was risky for their little hearts.

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Speaker 3: And they're only twelve years old, thirteen years old, fourteen

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Speaker 3: years old, fifteen years old, sixteen years old, seventeen years old,

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Speaker 3: and so bloody hell bent on your mandates, you still

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Speaker 3: force them to take the jab why.

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Speaker 4: Either, that's totally incorrect. The advice that you are making

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Speaker 4: that claim based on never went to ministers. Ministers access

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Speaker 4: for their advice. They didn't go to ministers, They didn't

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Speaker 4: go to ministers. That was based on what she was

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Speaker 4: reading from around the world around our younger age group vaccinations,

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Speaker 4: but none of that advice ever went to ministers.

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Speaker 3: Now do you regret not appearing before the Royal Commission

1138
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Speaker 3: of Commission of Inquiry?

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Speaker 4: I did twice, and you can see that because the

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Speaker 4: trains of my appearance before them, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I'm most released there publicly.

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Speaker 4: Well, you can people can go and read the transcripts

1143
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Speaker 4: if they wanted. I've had before the Royal Commission twice

1144
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Speaker 4: and they've published a full transcript of every question they

1145
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Speaker 4: asked me. In every answer that I gave them.

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Speaker 3: Do you think this was a fair report today?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think on balance I think the Royal Commission have

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Speaker 4: done a very good job. Doesn't mean I accept every

1150
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Speaker 4: recommendation that they've made, but I think on balance, I

1151
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Speaker 4: think they've produced a very comprehensive and pretty balanced report.

1152
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Speaker 3: So do you regret describing it as a platform for

1153
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Speaker 3: those who have conspiracy theorist views in August last year?

1154
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Speaker 4: I think the terms of reference were heavily politically loaded,

1155
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Speaker 4: and I actually think the Royal Commission had done a

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Speaker 4: very good job and it's a tribute to the three

1157
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Speaker 4: members who did it of navigating those terms of reference

1158
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Speaker 4: and producing what I think is a pretty balanced report.

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Speaker 3: All right, Chippi, thanks for your time. Chris Hopkins, Opposition

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Speaker 3: leader and of course former COVID minister. Eighteen away from

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Speaker 3: six the Huddle with.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only truly global brand in.

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Speaker 3: Huddle of this this evening. Sarah Trupman, Business Mentor's chief executive.

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Speaker 3: Rob Campbell at Chancellor, former Health New Zealand chair, holl

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Speaker 3: are you too, Rob? Thoughts on the report?

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Speaker 15: Well, I haven't read the whole report, which I guarantee

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Speaker 15: most people are commenting on it haven't done. But from

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Speaker 15: what I have seen, it's been a reasonably fair summation

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Speaker 15: of the submissions that they were receiving, so I think

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Speaker 15: it's probably useful enough in its own right. The thing

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Speaker 15: that I'm disappointed about is how much people seem to

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Speaker 15: want to politicize it and fingerpoint and try and score

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Speaker 15: points about it, rather than just sitting back and saying, well,

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Speaker 15: these things were done. A lot of at worked, some

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Speaker 15: of things were not done as you would do with hindsights,

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Speaker 15: and we should all learn from those. So it's all good.

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Speaker 15: That's what these reports are for. I support it from

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Speaker 15: what I've been able to read.

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Speaker 3: Sarah, what do you think?

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Speaker 24: Ooh rall by thinking, gosh, you're funding a flippant you

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Speaker 24: Clearly we're in the business owner that lost six hundred

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Speaker 24: thousand dollars in the Level four lockdown in Auckland and

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Speaker 24: twenty twenty. But the two key things stood out for

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Speaker 24: me and I had concerns over those, and I'll share

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Speaker 24: one of them now, and if the conversation hits that way,

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Speaker 24: I'm happy to share the second. But that Aucklanders were

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Speaker 24: in lockdown for thirty two days, longer than they needed

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Speaker 24: to be was really upsetting. Remember, Aucklanders were already facing

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Speaker 24: some of the longest restrictions in the world, and as

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Speaker 24: a business person and a funeral celebrant, I can tell

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Speaker 24: you from first hand experience, Aucklanders were hurting emotionally and

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Speaker 24: financially and to learn that we endured that pain for

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Speaker 24: longer than we needed to is not going to land

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Speaker 24: well with Aucklander tonight.

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Speaker 3: No, you're quite right, and that is to do obviously

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Speaker 3: with the Auckland boundary that was up for much longer

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Speaker 3: than it was necessary. All Right, We'll take a break.

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Speaker 3: Come back to you guys shortly sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, a

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Speaker 1: name you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 3: Write You're back with the Huddle, Sarah Troupman and Rob Campbell. Sarah,

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Speaker 3: what did you make of the Wellington leaders writing to

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Speaker 3: the government to say that I want to do the

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Speaker 3: move on orders?

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Speaker 24: Well, I'm elected on all con councils, write local board

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Speaker 24: and sadly, what I'm seeing here is this issue is

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Speaker 24: being used for political posturing rather than really allowing a

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Speaker 24: democratic process to unfold. So you know, any amendment of

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Speaker 24: the summary eventuals that will of course go through a

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Speaker 24: full parliamentary process with public submissions and Select Committee scrutiny,

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Speaker 24: expert advice and the debate in the House. That'll take months.

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Speaker 24: So no need for real urgency as the whiting to

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Speaker 24: our local board has pushed through recently. But two things

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Speaker 24: first is don't presume everyone begging is home miss And secondly,

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Speaker 24: the move on order is not a criminal charge. It's

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Speaker 24: an opportunity to move people out of doorways of businesses

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Speaker 24: or people that are displaying disorderly behavior in public spaces.

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Speaker 24: So it's about public safety and giving offices practical tools

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Speaker 24: to end intervene early the four situations escalate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, right now, Rob, I'm of the view that

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Speaker 3: if this is what the entire Wellington Region's leaders want,

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Speaker 3: then they should be allowed to. If they don't want

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Speaker 3: to use the move on orders, they shouldn't have to

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Speaker 3: use the move on orders. What do you think?

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Speaker 15: Becoming a libertarian there along with you, I certainly think

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Speaker 15: they shouldn't have to use them if they don't want to,

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Speaker 15: And frankly I think it's a diversion from the real

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Speaker 15: issues of poverty, of homelessness, which is part of the problem,

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Speaker 15: of mental illness, which is part of the problem. There's

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Speaker 15: a whole lot of problems leading to these things, and

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Speaker 15: the move on order is really just a we're going

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Speaker 15: to look tough and do something about it, and it's

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Speaker 15: not dealing with.

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Speaker 3: Any of the real issues going to go though, Rob,

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Speaker 3: do you think they're going to end up like some

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Speaker 3: sort of a sanctuary city for homeless in New Zealand.

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Speaker 15: I would hope that we're a better people than that,

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Speaker 15: and I think we are, so I'm pretty optimistic about it.

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Speaker 15: I think that people won't be keen to use this.

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Speaker 15: If it is used, it'll be used in the most

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Speaker 15: care and way possible, and it will keep focused on

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Speaker 15: trying to fund solutions for social problems, not blame the

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Speaker 15: people that end up on the RC.

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Speaker 4: End of them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Sarah, I think if they don't use them and

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Speaker 3: everybody else uses them, it's going to set Wellington apart

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Speaker 3: in a way that probably isn't good for Wellington.

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Speaker 24: What do you think, Look, I agree we've got to

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Speaker 24: remember of course that these issues that's starting to escalate,

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Speaker 24: and retailers here in Auckland are certainly set up with

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Speaker 24: not having any support to move people on who have

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Speaker 24: to be clammed over if a customer wants to get

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Speaker 24: through the door. And remember small businesses are already facing

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Speaker 24: rising costs and economic pressure, so expecting them to manage

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Speaker 24: PACI streets.

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Speaker 15: Whether lot. I spend a lot of time wondering, but

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Speaker 15: what I will say finally I'm living in a fantasy world.

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Speaker 4: No I'm not.

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Speaker 24: There is legally recognized places of refuge within those move

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Speaker 24: or on order frameworks, like say the City Mission, and

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Speaker 24: that's where somebody can go to be safe, and there's

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Speaker 24: appropriate level of support for vulnerable peace people.

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Speaker 15: Ron a fantasy. It's a fantasy world to hear that.

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Speaker 15: You know it is if you walk around the streets

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Speaker 15: of Auckland or Wellington, and I've done both a lot recently,

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Speaker 15: there's not anything like the problem that for some of

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Speaker 15: the hysteria about this would suggest. There are a lot

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Speaker 15: of people in our community who are living lives that

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Speaker 15: are far from ideal for themselves or for anyone else.

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Speaker 15: We know some of the social answers to these things,

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Speaker 15: and we should be concentrating on them. This kind of

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Speaker 15: vigilante idea that seems to have got hold that you've

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Speaker 15: got to do something about it. We've got to look tough,

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Speaker 15: we've got to move them on, we've got to make

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Speaker 15: them wrong. All of that is exactly against the advice

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Speaker 15: of everybody that deals with this.

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Speaker 2: In the real world.

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Speaker 15: So it's just a fantasy created. It's a comic version

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Speaker 15: of the poverty.

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Speaker 3: So the other day I went down for dinner. I

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Speaker 3: went down for London Commercial Bay in Auckland, right and

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Speaker 3: I got out of the uber a bit early, so

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Speaker 3: I had to walk around the block and there was

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Speaker 3: this bloke just like passed out. It was midday, passed out,

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Speaker 3: not in the corner across the footpath, and all of

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Speaker 3: us tourists and everybody rate payers had to walk around

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Speaker 3: and will step over him. It was a proper obstruction. Now,

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Speaker 3: you cannot tell me that you're okay with that, and

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Speaker 3: that it's not a good idea to get that bloke

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Speaker 3: up and move them out of the way so people

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Speaker 3: can use the footpath we're paid for. You can't tell

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Speaker 3: me you're okay with that.

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Speaker 15: I think it's very unfortunate that this person was in

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Speaker 15: that situation.

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Speaker 3: And if we leave in mind there.

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Speaker 15: Had been offered, if assistance had been offered to that person,

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Speaker 15: not just on that occasion, but prior to that, before

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Speaker 15: he got onto that state. I frequently, and you have too,

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Speaker 15: walked out of Commercial Bay and other places like that

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Speaker 15: and found drunken businessmen not lying on the pavement but

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Speaker 15: certainly doing things. Had gotten away just as much as that.

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Speaker 15: And so there's a person who.

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Speaker 3: Was this rule for again, well, drunken disorderly rob. We

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Speaker 3: have laws to stop drunken business people making scenes.

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Speaker 15: Now, and I thought you were saying we needed a

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Speaker 15: new law to deal with it.

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Speaker 3: By all means, I'm used, we've got a lord to

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Speaker 3: deal with that.

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Speaker 15: We don't need to move on.

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Speaker 3: Lord, for your example, listening, he's not disorderly, right, he's

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Speaker 3: just lying there, So you need to move on order

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Speaker 3: to get rid of when you do, don't you know?

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Speaker 15: You don't need that at all. He could have been

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Speaker 15: offered assistance to move. And I don't know anything about

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Speaker 15: that case. But let's just say the person was commentased

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Speaker 15: as a result of of alcohol or drugs or whatever,

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Speaker 15: then that person needed help. That person did not need

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Speaker 15: to be punished. No point in giving them a two

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Speaker 15: thousand dollar fine or giving them to move on. That

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Speaker 15: person needed help, and when people need help, we should

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Speaker 15: give them help.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, we should give them help and move them on.

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Speaker 3: First guys, thank you very much, appreciate it. Sarah Troupman,

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Speaker 3: Rob Campbell Huddle. This evening seven away from.

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Speaker 1: Six, It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by Newstalk ZBI.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I mentioned a little bit earlier that

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Speaker 3: David little Proud had quit a short time ago as

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Speaker 3: the leader of the Nationals in Australia.

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Speaker 19: I'm buggad I have enough to lead this grabe party

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Speaker 19: would be the wrong thing for me to do.

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Speaker 12: I love the National Party.

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Speaker 15: I grew up in it.

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Speaker 17: I'll believe till the day I die Green and Gold.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I think I've seen somewhere already that the vote

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Speaker 3: to replace them will be taken next week. Heather, tell

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Speaker 3: me about aishavera or she was so concerned from her

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Speaker 3: reports elsewhere that she wrote it down, but that she

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Speaker 3: never followed it up. Best case, then she is inept

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Speaker 3: not to follow up. Heather, that was hard to hear.

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Speaker 3: This is ree Chris Hipkins. Heather, how is the skuy

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Speaker 3: ahead in the polls. Herether so aishaverall asked for more

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Speaker 3: advice and never heard anything, and thought, oh well, I

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Speaker 3: just won't bother chasing it up. Is that how it worked? Yes?

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Speaker 3: I think that's what we're supposed to believe. We're supposed

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Speaker 3: to believe that she was worried about something she'd read

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Speaker 3: on the internet, asked the officials to give her the advice,

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Speaker 3: and then just thought, nah, you know what, Bargaret, don't

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Speaker 3: worry about the advice. Let's just force the kids to

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Speaker 3: get the jab. See what happens now. I told you earlier.

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Speaker 3: There is a little bit of concern that if you're

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Speaker 3: getting a bit excited the market's getting excited about Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump saying the war is over, they may, they may,

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Speaker 3: their faith may be misplaced. Sydney Morning Herald's senior business

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Speaker 3: columnist has written a piece He says, fight the decimation

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Speaker 3: of Iran's former leadership and the destruction of much of

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Speaker 3: its military infrastructure, the country shows no signs of the

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Speaker 3: regime change in surrender that Trump is foreshadowed. Though straight

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Speaker 3: of Homu's remains effectively closed. Only a handful of tankers

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Speaker 3: have braved it since the US and Israel launched their assault.

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Speaker 3: The key justification for the military assault Iran stockpile of

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Speaker 3: weapons grade uranium, appears to be intact without regime change

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Speaker 3: in the seizure of Iran's nuclear stockpile, their mission remains incomplete.

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Speaker 3: The prospect of the conflict being prolonged remains very much alive,

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Speaker 3: and Iran has said it can sustain it for six months.

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Speaker 3: We'll go next to Matt Goodman Assault Funds Management and

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Speaker 3: just see what he thinks if we are getting a

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Speaker 3: little bit excited by suddenly bouncing back in the markets

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Speaker 3: and the ore price falling. He's with us next Newstom's EBEN.

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Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money is flowing for the

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Speaker 1: business hour with Heather the duplicy alt and MAS insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments.

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Speaker 2: Your future is in good hands us doorg ZB.

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Speaker 3: Evening coming up in the next hour. We have a

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Speaker 3: complaint about property flippers who are apparently now back up

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Speaker 3: to COVID levels, which is interesting in and of itself.

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Speaker 3: We're going to get you across that. Jamie McKay is

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Speaker 3: with us shortly and end of Brady out of the

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Speaker 3: UK seven past six now stock markets have rebounded again,

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Speaker 3: today the ore prices back down below one hundred US

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Speaker 3: dollars a barrel. It seems to be a response to

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump earlier today saying the war would be over soon.

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Speaker 3: Matt Goodson, Assault Funds Management Managing Director and with us

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Speaker 3: now home, Matt evening, heaven, how are we sitting compared

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Speaker 3: to yesterday?

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Speaker 25: Well, New Zelland market did rally today, but weekened off

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Speaker 25: over the course of the afternoon and actually closed flat,

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Speaker 25: which was a little bit disappointing after yesterday's three percent

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Speaker 25: four in Australia. In Australia was up around one and

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Speaker 25: a half two percent, and it's only up about point

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Speaker 25: he at the moment as we're coming into their close.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Now, what does this mean that the that people

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Speaker 3: have had a look at what Donald Trump's had to say,

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Speaker 3: investors have looked at and not put too much stock

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Speaker 3: in it.

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Speaker 25: Well, unusually for Trump, he's made conflicting statements as to

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Speaker 25: what he's actually going to do. And then the other

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Speaker 25: question is can the US actually just walk away? Do

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Speaker 25: their war goals coincide with those of Israel? And what

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Speaker 25: does that leave a run doing? Have A key question

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Speaker 25: here really for the world is devastrates of Hormuz reopen.

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Speaker 25: At the moment, you have about six and a half

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Speaker 25: million barrels of oil production shut in, and that's really

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Speaker 25: a key crunch point for the global economy.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I take it from the fact that the

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Speaker 3: markets haven't rebounded to yesterday's levels that we are not

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Speaker 3: believing him, right, We're not buying his argument that it's

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Speaker 3: going to be over soon. And that is probably wise

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Speaker 3: on our part, isn't it, Matt, because that's the most

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Speaker 3: likely outcome, is that this goes on for a bit longer.

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Speaker 25: Quite possibly. The point here is just the sheer level

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Speaker 25: of uncertainty. So you know, we saw oil peak one

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Speaker 25: hundred and fifteen a couple of days ago, got down

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Speaker 25: to the mid eighties this afternoon, it's now back up

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Speaker 25: around ninety ninety one dollars a barrel of WTI, and

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Speaker 25: US futures are just down a touch. So the market

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Speaker 25: is going to be very volatile and reactive. Latest unpredictable

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Speaker 25: headline here, Now, what.

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Speaker 3: Are you packing for Air New Zealand? How is it

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Speaker 3: looking for them?

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Speaker 25: It's tough, It's really tough. It's not just the oil price,

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Speaker 25: which they are largely hedged too. It's the refining margin,

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Speaker 25: and those margins have gone through the roof. And what

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Speaker 25: will happen as oil gets harder toget is you'll see

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01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 25: more and more refineries go offline and resource most of

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Speaker 25: our oil from Singapore and facing a very difficult situation

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Speaker 25: unless the straits of all News open up in the

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Speaker 25: near future. So the refining margins could go very high

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Speaker 25: indeed until those straits open up, and then if refineries

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Speaker 25: do close down, there are quite long legs and bringing

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Speaker 25: them back up again and getting a stable and getting

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Speaker 25: a stable run through them. So I think people should

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Speaker 25: expect materially airline prices for a period of time until

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Speaker 25: this is resolved.

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Speaker 3: From an investment perspective, would the wise thing to do

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Speaker 3: just be to be a cool head and sit tight.

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Speaker 3: To have a cool head in sit tight, I think.

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Speaker 25: So this action in itself is stagflationary, lower growth, higher inflation,

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Speaker 25: and it comes actually following data from the US on

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Speaker 25: Friday night, which had pretty weak jobs and quite high

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Speaker 25: wage inflation. For New Zealand, it's quite it's just painful.

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Speaker 25: We were just starting to climb out of what had

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Speaker 25: been a pretty tough period for the economy. And this

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Speaker 25: shock comes along. So look, I think the best thing

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01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 25: to do for most investors is really to stay put

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Speaker 25: rather than run away at the lies.

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Speaker 3: Matt, I see that there are some who are privately

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Speaker 3: saying we should brace ourselves for another recession in this country.

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Speaker 3: Is that premature?

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Speaker 25: If this lasts a considerable period of time, that's certainly possible.

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Speaker 25: But we've been very polished on the outlock for our economy.

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Speaker 26: This year.

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Speaker 25: We're having in terms of trade boom if you look

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Speaker 25: at dairy prices, red meat prices, horticultural prices, and the

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Speaker 25: lagged impact of the sharp harbing and zed rate cuts

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Speaker 25: last year finally starting to come through. So I do

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Speaker 25: think it's premature to call a recession at this stage.

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Speaker 25: If we're still talking about the straits of Amo has

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Speaker 25: been closed in six months, maybe that's a different matter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant, Hey, thank you very much, Matters always, Matt Goodson,

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Speaker 3: Salt Funds Management, Managing Director. It's eleven past.

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Speaker 2: Six, Heather dup see Alan, I'm going to.

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Speaker 3: Give Andrew a little bit of credit for something that

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Speaker 3: he's done today, which I think is well overdue and

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Speaker 3: another sign that he's got a massive battle ahead of

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Speaker 3: him with Wellington Council just hell in the old money,

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Speaker 3: so he's had to step in and stop them spending

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01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 3: a huge amount of money on a party was for

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Speaker 3: the opening of the library in Wellington. Now, if you've

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Speaker 3: been following what's going on with earthquake and Wellington, as

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Speaker 3: in like the Kaikoda earthquake a decade ago, that library

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Speaker 3: in Wellington, the Central Library has been shut for about

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Speaker 3: seven years, so they've done a bit of a renovation

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Speaker 3: on the end. So I got an earthquake, screw a

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Speaker 3: strength and big deal that's going to open up again.

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Speaker 3: Planners decided to go large. They were going to throw

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Speaker 3: themselves a two day party with a large civic ceremony,

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Speaker 3: some invited guests, a street festival, some food trucks, plaza

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Speaker 3: activation because I've got the plaza behind the library, road closures,

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Speaker 3: performances by local artists. The budget for this four hundred

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Speaker 3: and five thousand dollars one hundred and twenty four, which

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Speaker 3: is the annual rate spill of eighty property owners, So

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Speaker 3: eighty houses were going to spend an entire year paying

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Speaker 3: for that party. Andrew Little heard about it. I thought

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01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 3: this has got got to be stopped so he demanded

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Speaker 3: they scale it back. It is now costing less than

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Speaker 3: half one hundred and seventy eight and seventy eight dollars,

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Speaker 3: so one hundred and seventy eight thousand is wraps. Let's

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Speaker 3: say one hundred and seventy eight thousand dollars to round

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Speaker 3: it down to be kind to them. That is still

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Speaker 3: the annual rate spill of thirty five houses for one

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Speaker 3: party in Wellington, which is completely mental, but thank god

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Speaker 3: he stepped in. Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplicy Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart.

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Speaker 2: Radio, empowered by Newstalks EBB. Approaching the numbers and getting

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Speaker 2: the results. It's Heather Duplessy Allen on the Business Hour

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Speaker 2: with Maths.

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Speaker 1: Insurance and Investments. Your futures in good hands us talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they just a proposed something you said earlier. I

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Speaker 3: just finished reading the Let Them book today and I

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Speaker 3: wish I'd been able to read it years ago. It

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Speaker 3: really made me think, well, now I'm going to have

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Speaker 3: to read it as well. Thank you for the suggestion, Lee.

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Speaker 3: I suggest to you suggest it back to me, and

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Speaker 3: now I'm going to get the book. Sixteen past six.

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Speaker 2: The Rural Report on Heather Duplicy.

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Speaker 3: Alan Drive, Jamie mckaie, Hosts of the Countries with Us, Hello,

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Speaker 3: Jbie Good evening, Heather. How good was the Golden Shears?

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Speaker 15: Oh?

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Speaker 26: It was brilliant apart from the forty minute delay when

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Speaker 26: someone mixed the sheep up out the back. But as

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Speaker 26: they say, shit happened sometimes, but never mind. They got

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Speaker 26: through that and it was fantastic. It was a great

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01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 26: result for New Zealand. We won five out of six

1516
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 26: world titles when it came to the big ones, the

1517
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 26: sharing ones. Roland Smith in his swansong last time you'll

1518
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 26: competitively share on a hand piece winning the world championship,

1519
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 26: such a popular winner. And Tyler Henderson, the gun from

1520
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,919
Speaker 26: North Auckland or Northland as it's called these days, repeating

1521
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 26: as victory last year in the open final of the

1522
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 26: Golden Shares. Those two incidentally were in the New Zealand

1523
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 26: team which won the team's title. Joel Hannahra was untouchable

1524
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 26: in the wall handling. The only thing that we didn't

1525
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 26: win during the entire weekend was the blade sharing. A

1526
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 26: couple of we South African guys who are brilliant and

1527
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 26: believe you met Blade Sharing's hard work. They took out

1528
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 26: the team's title and the individual title. But they've been

1529
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 26: going at this heather for more than sixty years and mastered.

1530
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 26: And I say to everyone, you haven't lived until you've

1531
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 26: been to the War Memorial Stadium and downtown masted on

1532
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 26: an open final night at Golden Shear's brilliant Sporting Theater.

1533
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 3: Now, what are the Xander Awards?

1534
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 26: Well, these are the Xander McDonald Awards. That's where I

1535
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 26: am at the moment, and that's why I apologize to

1536
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 26: your producer, Kevin. I forgot completely about this, so I'm

1537
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 26: having to wing it there on tonight. I'm seeing the

1538
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 26: awards tonight. So this is recognizing young entrepreneurial ag leaders

1539
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 26: in Australia and New Zealand. We get a winner from

1540
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 26: either side of the tasman aged thirty five years and younger,

1541
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 26: and some of the people who have won this in

1542
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 26: the past have gone on to great things in agriculture.

1543
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,560
Speaker 26: They're named after a guy by the name of Xander MacDonald.

1544
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 26: He was a real entrepreneur Queensland outback farmer. His farm

1545
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:49,799
Speaker 26: was so big, heather and so far away from Brisbane,

1546
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 26: where he went to boarding school. Believe it or not,

1547
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 26: he used to fly his own plane from the farm

1548
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 26: to boarding school when he was fifteen years of age.

1549
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 26: An absolute legend of a black I had the privilege

1550
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 26: of meeting him. Unfortunately he died in a farm accident.

1551
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 26: He was fixing a windmill out the back of the farm,

1552
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 26: fell off, came to grief, never recovered. So they've named

1553
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 26: these awards in memory of him. He's a great bloke.

1554
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 26: His dad Don and these guys are the largest private

1555
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 26: owners of farmland in Australia. Was speaking today at the conference.

1556
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 26: Absolutely fantastic. So tonight we will crown the winners. We've

1557
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 26: got three new Zealanders, all dynamic young agri business leaders,

1558
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 26: and three Aussies. Will name a Kiwi and an Aussie

1559
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 26: tonight at about eight o'clock.

1560
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 12: Looking forward to it.

1561
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 3: And are you going to go to Wanaka this weekend?

1562
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 15: Yes?

1563
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 26: I am must been life on the road for me.

1564
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 3: No, no, it's not.

1565
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 26: I want to stay at home and play golf. But

1566
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 26: you know, needs must, needs must. So look it's just

1567
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 26: my storm week. You know how they haven't rugby or

1568
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 26: rugby league. This is when I've got to play three

1569
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 26: games in a week. So yeah, masters, and I've the weekend,

1570
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 26: loved my time in the Wira Rapper christ Church today,

1571
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 26: fly home tomorrow, head to Wanaka Thursday. As soon as

1572
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 26: I get off here, we're doing a Lincoln College or

1573
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 26: Lincoln University fundraising dinner. I've got Andy Dalton, former All

1574
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 26: Black captain, Gary Stead, former Black Caps player and coach

1575
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 26: their guest speakers, along with Rachel Stead, who's big on

1576
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 26: netball at Lincoln University. We're raising money for sport. That

1577
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 26: is what night is that Thursday night, and then Friday

1578
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 26: it's broadcasting from the Wanaker Show, second biggest a m

1579
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 26: P show in the country behind christ Church, famous for

1580
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 26: the Jack Russell Race.

1581
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 4: And then.

1582
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 26: Another gig speaking to the members and the sponsors of

1583
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 26: the Wanaka Show. And then I finally get the pot

1584
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 26: of gold at the end of the Rainbow Heather because

1585
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 26: on Saturday, on my way home, I get to play Melbrook.

1586
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 2: How good will they?

1587
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 26: Oh?

1588
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 3: How good? Don't complain ever again about not being now,

1589
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 3: don't complain about anything, Amy, Thank you, you look after yourself.

1590
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 3: Jamie McKay, host to the Country. He's traveling with his

1591
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 3: golf clubs. He's not sad at all. Heather Andrew Little says,

1592
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 3: plan a party for five hundred thousand dollars and then

1593
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 3: I will scale it back to one hundred and seventy

1594
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars. Its typical council want one, ask for three,

1595
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 3: get two. We have been tricked, haven't we. It's the

1596
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 3: old Donald Trump way of negotiating. I don't know if

1597
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 3: you are aware of this, but there is quite the

1598
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 3: brew haha going on in Australia about Pornhub. So on

1599
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 3: Monday yesterday, new age verification laws kicked into force. Thank

1600
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 3: you ants. New age verification laws came into force where

1601
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 3: if you want to go on and wa'ts your felth

1602
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 3: on pornhub, you have to prove that you're eighteen years old.

1603
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 26: But what do we know?

1604
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 3: The largest consumers of porn are not in fact eighteen

1605
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 3: year olds. They are school yard boys, aren't they. So

1606
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 3: as a results, a pornhab's not happy about this business.

1607
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 3: Big client less just cut off. So they were like, right, protest,

1608
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 3: We're taking all the sexy stuff off the website. So

1609
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 3: now it's basically an empty website if you're in Australia

1610
01:17:57,560 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 3: and you go there, So then what happened VPN data

1611
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 3: downloads spiked, So the Aussies are getting the VPNs. They're

1612
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 3: going on. They get in the VPNs, they can go around,

1613
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 3: get around the rules, keep on watching their porn, because

1614
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 3: of course that's how it works for twenty two, whether.

1615
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 1: It's macro micro or just plain economics. Fall on the

1616
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: business hour with the duper CLA and MAS insurance and investments.

1617
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands, us talks v.

1618
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 3: Do you know what I need to get you? Cross

1619
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 3: this property flippers quickly? Can I just tell you though,

1620
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 3: Shane the Ritim, we've hardly even had a chance to

1621
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 3: cover this off today Shane Ritty has decided he's going

1622
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 3: to quit at the upcoming election. What's weird about it

1623
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,560
Speaker 3: is that he said quite emphatically last week that he

1624
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 3: was going to be standing at the election, and then

1625
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 3: he's changed his mind. Now what that sounds to me

1626
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 3: like a little chat has happened behind the scenes, and

1627
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 3: a little chat about who was going to be selected

1628
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 3: for Faraday for the seat to be fair though, and

1629
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 3: you know, I mean we had high hopes for Shane Ritty,

1630
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 3: but in the end, I just don't think politics was

1631
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 3: really his thing because he's just too nice a man.

1632
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 3: But actually it's probably good for New Zealand because we

1633
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 3: probably have more use for him as a GP rather

1634
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 3: than another MP. The property flippers we're going to talk

1635
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 3: about is what is called contemporaneous sales. So this is

1636
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 3: where somebody goes to the property, buys it long lead

1637
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 3: into the settlement, and in that period then on sells

1638
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 3: it settlement on the same day, so they essentially never

1639
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 3: actually own it, and it's all a bit like it's fine,

1640
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 3: it's legal. My only question is do the people who

1641
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 3: are selling the property realize what is going on here?

1642
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 3: Do they think this is a legit realist that agent.

1643
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 3: We're gonna have a chat about this after half past six,

1644
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 3: right now it's six twenty six.

1645
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

1646
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 3: So Donald Trump's granddaughter is an influence. So her name

1647
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 3: is Kai Trump. She's eighteen year old. She's the daughter

1648
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 3: of Donald Trump Junior. Pretty popular one point four million

1649
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 3: subscribers on YouTube. Posts videos like Christmas at the White House,

1650
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 3: a Week in my Life, cooking with my best friend

1651
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 3: while doing a Q and A that kind of nonsense. Anyways,

1652
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 3: her latest video has raised a few eyebrows and spawned

1653
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 3: the hashtags draft Kai Trump, deport Kai Trump. It's called

1654
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 3: I brought my secret service to Erawon.

1655
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 11: If you guys don't know.

1656
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 27: Air one.

1657
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 11: Air One's the most expensive stroker store prom much out there.

1658
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 19: Everything's crazy extensive.

1659
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 11: So we're gonna get my favorite stuff, even supplement wherever

1660
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 11: it may be, and then we're.

1661
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 3: Gonna go home and try out. Now you think the

1662
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 3: issue is going to be the fact that she's brought

1663
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 3: her taxpayer funded security to go shopping, right, No, that's

1664
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 3: not what it is. People are mad about what she bought.

1665
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 3: Jar of dates twenty eight New Zealand dollars, ashwaganda capsules

1666
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 3: thirty nine dollars New Zealand, hyperoxygenated water twenty two New

1667
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 3: Zealand dollars, tray of sushi thirty three New Zealand, thirty

1668
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 3: three New Zealand dollars for Ya sushi hot meal, plate

1669
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,719
Speaker 3: of short ribs and rice balls sixty two dollars, eleven

1670
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 3: dilemonade seventeen dollars, and a Hailey Beaber brand is strawberry

1671
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 3: Glaize skin smoothie for thirty five dollars. In total, she

1672
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 3: spent two hundred and thirty three US dollars on seven items,

1673
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 3: which is about four hundred New Zealand dollars on seven items.

1674
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,600
Speaker 3: She reviewed each product, so I don't know. Maybe you

1675
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 3: were interested in knowing what she thinks about the Hailey

1676
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,560
Speaker 3: Beaber brand strawberrig lace skin smoothie. I'm interested in what

1677
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 3: she thinks about the jar of dates, maybe a tray

1678
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 3: of thirty three dollars sushies. I'm not gonna tell you

1679
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 3: because frankly, I don't know, but you can go. You

1680
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 3: could go on her website and her YouTube channel and

1681
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 3: you can go and check it out and help her

1682
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 3: out because girl needs more money, like she needs you

1683
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 3: to go on there, give her some eyeballs, because otherwise,

1684
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 3: how on earth is she going to pay for all

1685
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 3: this expensive nonsense next time she goes shopping eight property flippers.

1686
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 3: Next News took zb.

1687
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 2: The world.

1688
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 9: Girls bus on the bus.

1689
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the Big Albrit's, the business hour

1690
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,480
Speaker 1: where the head the dup Sea Allen and Mass Insurance

1691
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: and investments, Your futures in good hands, used talks.

1692
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 2: I'd be back in.

1693
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 3: Jay Brady is going to be with us out of

1694
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 3: the UK in ten minutes time. I'll tell you what

1695
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 3: turns out the new Ayatollah is not short of a bob.

1696
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,799
Speaker 3: It's believed that he brought two luxury flats in London's

1697
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 3: Kensington Palace Gardens about ten years ago. They've obviously appreciated.

1698
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 3: Both apartments come with separate staff quarters and are believed

1699
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 3: to be worth a combined fifty pounds. What's weird about

1700
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 3: it is it's right next door to the Israeli Embassy,

1701
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 3: so that's an odd location for a group of people

1702
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 3: who really hate the Israelis, twenty four away from seven.

1703
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 2: Ever du for Sea Allen.

1704
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 3: Now there are calls for a regulatory crackdown on property flippers.

1705
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 3: These are people who lock in a house under contract

1706
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 3: or a property under contract, but have a long lead

1707
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 3: into settlement, and in that intervening period they then line

1708
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 3: up another buyer and they settle on the same day

1709
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 3: contemporaneously and then pocket the difference. The number of these

1710
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 3: deals almost doubled last year. The levels are now even

1711
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 3: higher than the COVID boom. In fact, it's got so

1712
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 3: bad that a complaint has been lodged with the Real

1713
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 3: estate Authority. Marie Tassel is the owner of I Find

1714
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 3: Property and a real estate agent and with us Ho

1715
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 3: Mari hi head.

1716
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 13: What is the complaint, Well, the complaint is that I

1717
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 13: believe consumers have the right to know that if someone

1718
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 13: puts an offer on their property, whether they intend to

1719
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 13: buy it, that you know, if John Smith has a

1720
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 13: contract on a property, I think that I would want

1721
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 13: to know that John Smith is buying it, not that

1722
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 13: John Smith is pretending to buy it and bringing a

1723
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 13: whole lot of other people through and trying to onsell

1724
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,639
Speaker 13: it without telling anybody for a whole lot more money.

1725
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 3: Oh, because there is an element of deception to this

1726
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 3: in some cases, isn't that where they say that they're

1727
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 3: getting builders through to come and inspect it, but in

1728
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:53,839
Speaker 3: fact they're buying, they're bringing through potential buyers.

1729
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 13: That's correct. So what is often happening, and this has

1730
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 13: been happening. I mean, I've been around in the property

1731
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 13: undustry for a long time, and twenty years ago there

1732
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 13: was a lot of this and then it basically dried

1733
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 13: up overnight when the real estate agent's authority came in

1734
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 13: and said it was illegal. But the last few years

1735
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,720
Speaker 13: we've seen a proliferation of it again. And so there

1736
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 13: is a lot of deception, a lot of the time

1737
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 13: people will come in and they will just have usually

1738
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 13: a simple due diligence contract, which just means I want

1739
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 13: to do my homework. But they very frequently had no

1740
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 13: intention of buying that property. And then there are people

1741
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 13: that have got these data bases that they send I'm

1742
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 13: going to call it a deal. They send the deal

1743
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 13: out and say here's the property. They provide a whole

1744
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 13: lot of information about the property like a real estate

1745
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 13: agent would, and then they aim to sell the property

1746
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 13: for a much larger fee. Very often the vendor has

1747
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 13: no idea this is happening until after settlement, when they suddenly, well,

1748
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 13: there's two ways they'll find out it's happened after settlement,

1749
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 13: when suddenly they realized they hold the property to John

1750
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 13: Smith for a million, and then John Smith on sold

1751
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 13: of one point two million and nobody told him. Or

1752
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 13: when they've had their property tied up for twenty days

1753
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 13: and suddenly it falls over and they discover that person

1754
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 13: had no intention of purchasing the property.

1755
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 3: They were just trying to sell it for more.

1756
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:19,879
Speaker 12: Is it illegal?

1757
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 3: I believe it is. What I feel about it.

1758
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 13: What's illegal or legal about illegal? What's illegal is that

1759
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 13: the real Estate Agency at two thousand and eight defines

1760
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 13: quite clearly that anyone that's involved in trade and ie

1761
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 13: making money from providing information or selling properties to help

1762
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 13: people sell or buy property are acting as a real

1763
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,440
Speaker 13: estate agent, so they should be licensed.

1764
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 3: They should.

1765
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 13: That means that they should be governed by a regulatory body,

1766
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 13: and that any consumer that's interacting with them, whether that's

1767
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 13: a vendor or a purchaser, also is protected and they

1768
01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 13: can make a complaint if that person behaves in a

1769
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 13: way that that's Marie.

1770
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 3: Is it a matter of interpretation because you could also

1771
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 3: interpret them as the new vendor, couldn't you? And it

1772
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 3: is a matter of interpretation.

1773
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 13: I think yes and no. But it was made very

1774
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 13: clear to me when the Real Estate Agents Authority first

1775
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 13: came into being back in two thousand, when the Act

1776
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 13: came in in two thousand and nine, because I used

1777
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:22,600
Speaker 13: to do this, although I did not do it for

1778
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 13: an undisclosed fee. I was what you would call a

1779
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 13: property trader, and I was getting properties and non selling them,

1780
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 13: although I would always disclose the difference. And at that

1781
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 13: time I then had real estate agent investigators breathing down

1782
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 13: my neck constantly and telling me that I was breaking

1783
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 13: the law. I even flew down to the area to

1784
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 13: meet with the then legal counsel to thrash it out

1785
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 13: with him, and I was told in no uncertain terms

1786
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 13: that I was breaking the law, that they wanted to

1787
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 13: see licensed by his agents operating in New Zealand, which

1788
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 13: is what I now do, and that if I didn't

1789
01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:58,679
Speaker 13: do that, they'd see me in court.

1790
01:26:58,840 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 15: Wow.

1791
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 13: So and at that time they were quite proactive about

1792
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 13: investigating people, and there was a case at the time

1793
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 13: of a woman who was prosecuted. And then what happened

1794
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 13: here that is basically overnight all of the people doing

1795
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 13: this dried up because they got too.

1796
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 3: Scared to do it.

1797
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 13: But now they're all back out there, and there's a

1798
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 13: lot of people out there that are selling courses. They

1799
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 13: call themselves gurus or mentors or whatever you want to

1800
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 13: call it. Property in real estates always seem to have

1801
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 13: attracted you know, sharks or snake oil salesmen who, well,

1802
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 13: a lot of times people who are quite gullible don't

1803
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 13: know a lot about property.

1804
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 3: They'll pay a whole lot.

1805
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 13: Of money for a course to learn how to make

1806
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 13: what they call no money down deals, which sounds very fun.

1807
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 13: Sounds very easy, but there's I think it's very unethical

1808
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 13: most of what's happening. And my reason for the complaint

1809
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 13: to the area was because I've spoken to quite a

1810
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 13: few purchasers who've dealt with some of these people and

1811
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 13: had bad experiences. And I've also spoken to quite a

1812
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 13: few vendors agents who have contacted me upset when they've

1813
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 13: found out after the fat that's somebody that they thought

1814
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 13: was acting as a purchaser wasn't the true purchaser. Then

1815
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 13: they're embarrassed and they because then their vendor finds out

1816
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 13: and these agents didn't know. So because I'm a buyer's agent,

1817
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 13: they will come and talk to me about this. So

1818
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 13: I've spoken to a lot of vendors' agents out there

1819
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 13: who aren't happy about the lack of disclosure as well.

1820
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 3: Thank you Marie for running us through. It's absolutely fascinating.

1821
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 3: Marie Tassel, i find property co founder and real estate agent,

1822
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 3: will keep an eye on how that complaint goes with

1823
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 3: the RAA. It's eighteen away from seven.

1824
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 2: Heather dou was the outlet.

1825
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 3: I'm just going to shout out to mice Aten for

1826
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 3: something that they're doing which is actually solving a real

1827
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 3: life problem. So they have realized how hard it is

1828
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 3: for us if you're not if you're not a regular

1829
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 3: and you're just doing a little bit of thing, you know,

1830
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 3: like a bit of a tidy up at home or whatever,

1831
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 3: and yet you need you need you need that. You

1832
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 3: need a timber screw and you don't need it to

1833
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:02,800
Speaker 3: be too long, so you only need it to be

1834
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 3: about to send to me deep and just little. And

1835
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 3: you know it's going to be quite specific what you're

1836
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 3: looking for. What absolute pain in the butt it is

1837
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 3: to go into Mighty ten or Bunnings. Go o god,

1838
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 3: which one? If I want for outdoors, it's going to

1839
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 3: be outdoors. It's in a salty environment. Do I on zinc?

1840
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 3: Plate it?

1841
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 15: Oh? Have you got it?

1842
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. You could spend half an hour trying

1843
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 3: to find that tiny little screw that you need. What

1844
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 3: they've done is they have installed on the price tags

1845
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 3: underneath little flashing lights. And I'm making it sound simple.

1846
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 3: It's obviously not as simple as this because it's a

1847
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 3: favorit of kit they've had to install. But basically how

1848
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 3: it works is you go in, you found your little

1849
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 3: screw that you need Online you go in with your phone.

1850
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 3: You see it on you go open your phone, go

1851
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 3: to the online but press the button on the website

1852
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 3: that says flash it for me in the store, and

1853
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 3: then it flashes. So you'll be standing there in the

1854
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 3: screw while and then you'll be like, there it is

1855
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 3: because it's a little at the little price tag is

1856
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 3: flashing green. Go over there, get your screw. You could

1857
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 3: be in and out just like that, Just like that,

1858
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 3: they've got it. Twenty of the ninety ten stores already

1859
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 3: across the country they reckon. Not only will it speed

1860
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 3: up trips, but it will lift the basket sizes because

1861
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 3: by getting rid of the find it friction, as they

1862
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 3: call it in retail, getting rid of the find it friction.

1863
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 3: You've got your screws Now you can go find your

1864
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 3: little mat that you need. Now you can find the

1865
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 3: cloth that you need, to find all the little things

1866
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 3: that you need. Before you know, your basket is full,

1867
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 3: taking you no.

1868
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 15: Time at all.

1869
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 3: How good is that? That's awesome? A sixteen away from seven.

1870
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 1: Ever's to do with money? It matters to you? The

1871
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:35,440
Speaker 1: Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mares Insurance and Investments,

1872
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 1: Your futures in good hands.

1873
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:38,960
Speaker 2: News talks'd be.

1874
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:42,760
Speaker 3: Thirteen away from seven and into Brady are UK correspondence

1875
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 3: with US.

1876
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:45,880
Speaker 12: Hello Ender, Hey, hev great to speak to you.

1877
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 3: So you're now not sending the vessel to the Middle East.

1878
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 12: Precisely so, the flagship vessel from the Royal Navy, HMS

1879
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 12: Prince of Wales was being readied. We were told that

1880
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 12: it would take maybe eight days to get ready and

1881
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 12: that it would be sailing to the Middle East. Downing

1882
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 12: Street is now guiding journalists who are asking questions about

1883
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 12: you know, where is this ship going. It's heading to

1884
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 12: the Arctic now to take place take part in some

1885
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 12: NATO exercises up there. So I think what has kind

1886
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:15,719
Speaker 12: of changed Starmer's mind is the fact that the French

1887
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 12: are sending a vessel imminently, and he's probably thought, you know,

1888
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 12: the rudeness of Trump the other day berating him, criticizing

1889
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 12: the UK, saying that Starmer is no Winston Churchill, what's

1890
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,559
Speaker 12: the point? So they're going to go do something else

1891
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 12: with NATO instead, they will send a smaller vessel towards

1892
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 12: Cyprus to defend it from any further DRAWNE attacks. But

1893
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 12: I think in terms of helping the Americans.

1894
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 3: Good luck to them now, fair enough. And look, I

1895
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 3: imagine that actually not taking Trump's shit frankly is going

1896
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 3: to be reasonably popular at home. But stam, it looks

1897
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:52,600
Speaker 3: like he's all over the shop and indecisive, and this

1898
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 3: is just the latest example, isn't it.

1899
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 12: Well, Look, look, everyone says that he's a flip flopper

1900
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 12: and he's always changing his mind. I will point out

1901
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 12: he's a lawyer by trade and profession. He has been

1902
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 12: a lawyer his whole life. Politics was his second career.

1903
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 12: For Starmer, I think he has sat down with legal

1904
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 12: advice in Downing Street and thought, we don't want to

1905
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 12: be indicted as war criminals in a few years time.

1906
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 12: Look at what happened that school in Iran last weekend.

1907
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:19,639
Speaker 12: One hundred and sixty five seven year old girls murdered

1908
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 12: by American bombs, and it's absolutely awful. And I think

1909
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 12: Starmer has thought, I don't want this on me, I

1910
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 12: don't want history judging us like this, and step well

1911
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 12: back from what Netan Yahoo is making Trump do. So

1912
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,720
Speaker 12: I think Starmer's legal brain has kicked in and he

1913
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 12: has clearly thought this is in breach of international law.

1914
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably a fee explanation. Now what about Charles though

1915
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 3: going to the US.

1916
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 2: In the Palace not to do this.

1917
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,799
Speaker 12: So state visit meant to be taking place in April,

1918
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 12: It's not that far away. It's creeping up, and I

1919
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 12: think privately Charles will have his own reservations as well.

1920
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:58,640
Speaker 12: So the leader of the Liberal Democrats, A Davy, has

1921
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 12: come out and he's been a very vocal critic of Trump.

1922
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 12: He has come out and said there is no way

1923
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 12: the British monarch should be going to America while they're

1924
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 12: doing this to the people of Iran. So labor MPs

1925
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,759
Speaker 12: are now joining that voice and trying to put pressure

1926
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 12: on Starmer, and I think it will build. And if

1927
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 12: in a few weeks time, God forbid, they are still

1928
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:21,719
Speaker 12: bombing people in Iran and Israel is still bombing people

1929
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 12: in Lebanon, there is no way Charles can go to

1930
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:29,280
Speaker 12: America and start traveling around in open top cavalcades making

1931
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 12: out that everything is fine and dandy with the relationship.

1932
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 12: And I think privately he's probably thinking Trump has torched it,

1933
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,839
Speaker 12: especially after that state visit he got in September.

1934
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 3: Hey, are you following the Jerry Adams case?

1935
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 12: So this is very interesting for anyone who hasn't followed this.

1936
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 12: Today will be day two of a civil case in

1937
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 12: the High Court in London where three men are claiming

1938
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 12: that Jerry Adams, the retired Irish politician and former leader

1939
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 12: of shin Fame, which is the Irish Republican Party looking

1940
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Speaker 12: for Ireland. Basically they claim he was the leader of

1941
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Speaker 12: the IRA. Now this is something he has always denied.

1942
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Speaker 12: Jerry Adams has said that he was never even in

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Speaker 12: the IRA, let alone being the boss of it. British

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Speaker 12: Intelligence believes otherwise. The British Army believes otherwise and always

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Speaker 12: has done. So what's happening now is three men who

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Speaker 12: were all injured in huge IRA bombs. There was a

1947
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Speaker 12: bomb outside the Old Bailey Court in nineteen seventy three

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Speaker 12: off Judy police officer who was injured in that is

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Speaker 12: one of the claimants. The IRA bomb at the Arundale

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Speaker 12: shopping center in Manchester in ninety six a guy who

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Speaker 12: was injured in that, and the London Docklands bomb later

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Speaker 12: in ninety six. These three men are taking a civil

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Speaker 12: case to the High Court, where the standard of proof

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Speaker 12: is lower, much lower than criminal court, and they're seeking

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Speaker 12: two dollars damages. That's what they're looking for. So it's

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Speaker 12: not about money, it's about having a court rule and

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Speaker 12: there's no jury on this, so to be basically them

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Speaker 12: trying to convince a judge that Jerry Adams was the

1959
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Speaker 12: boss of the IRA. He denies it, and his legal

1960
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Speaker 12: team are saying that this is completely legally flawed and

1961
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Speaker 12: there's no way they can win. So a seven day trial,

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Speaker 12: let's see what happens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating and thanks for running us through and keeping

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Speaker 3: an eye on that. In de Brady UK correspondent. Hither,

1965
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Speaker 3: it's not the flippers that are at fault. It's the lazy,

1966
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Speaker 3: greedy agents who didn't advise the sellers what their property

1967
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Speaker 3: was worth in a bleating because they didn't get their

1968
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Speaker 3: exorbitant commission on the sale. Now hold on, oh, on

1969
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Speaker 3: the on sell, they would have got it in the

1970
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Speaker 3: original sale. Hither. I'm a full time flipper as an

1971
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 3: I buy, renovate and resell from time to time. I

1972
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 3: have on sold a few properties where there is good

1973
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Speaker 3: money to be made from simply on selling. We're not

1974
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Speaker 3: obligated to disclose that if we're on selling. But why

1975
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Speaker 3: should we be the vendor accepts our offer at a

1976
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Speaker 3: number that they're obviously happy with. Who we then on

1977
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Speaker 3: sale to who is really none of their concern. Look,

1978
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Speaker 3: I agree, I think the problem is I think the

1979
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Speaker 3: problem is where you're getting you're getting the it's when

1980
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Speaker 3: you've got the buyer going, hey, can I can I

1981
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Speaker 3: bring through a builder just to check the blah blah

1982
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Speaker 3: blah and can I get this person through? And I

1983
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Speaker 3: want to measure the drapes and all the time, every

1984
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Speaker 3: single time somebody is coming through, I just want to

1985
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Speaker 3: check the appliances, all that nonsense. It's really potential buyers

1986
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Speaker 3: where you have deception like that, that clearly that has

1987
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Speaker 3: got to be a problem. Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplicy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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1990
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Speaker 3: How cute is this? By the way, it's five away

1991
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Speaker 3: from seven? How cute is this? Wayne Brown was at

1992
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Speaker 3: the Auckland Council meeting today and he gave a shout

1993
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Speaker 3: out to Bernard Allsman, who's The Herald's super city reporter,

1994
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Speaker 3: whos announced that he's retiring.

1995
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Speaker 27: Well, I was going to get us order stand for

1996
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Speaker 27: a minute's silence. For the loss of Bernard, but I

1997
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Speaker 27: see he's still alive so well. He hasn't always got

1998
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Speaker 27: everything right and is reported particularly about me. His commitment

1999
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Speaker 27: to being The Herald's supersity reporter has been remarkably persistent.

2000
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Speaker 27: So a round of applause for Bernard.

2001
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Speaker 15: I think.

2002
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Speaker 3: That is quite eyes because Bernard will tell you Bernard

2003
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Speaker 3: is actually excellent at his job. And it is a

2004
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Speaker 3: pity that Bernard is going, and I hope he does

2005
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Speaker 3: what I've noticed increasing numbers numbers of seenior Herold staff

2006
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 3: are doing, which is that they leave and then they

2007
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Speaker 3: come back within about a year's time. Mary and Janeers

2008
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Speaker 3: came back the other day, so I saw jaineted. I thought,

2009
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Speaker 3: that's good like her. Glad she's back. So Bernard will

2010
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Speaker 3: be back one day, and I'm glad about that. But

2011
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Speaker 3: also because how decent is it of Wayne, who's not

2012
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Speaker 3: known for having wonderful relations with the media, if you

2013
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Speaker 3: remember the start of his mayoralty, not known for having

2014
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Speaker 3: a great relationship with the media. That was very magnanimous

2015
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Speaker 3: of him.

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Speaker 28: I think, yeah, and shout out to Bernard as well.

2017
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Speaker 28: The Herald reporters often have a really tough gig and

2018
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Speaker 28: that I need to get o fay with a story

2019
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Speaker 28: that they've written because we're going to cover it on

2020
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Speaker 28: the show. So then I'm rushing over to their desk

2021
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Speaker 28: to get them to explain it to.

2022
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Speaker 3: Me, and they're trying, and then they try to do

2023
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Speaker 3: it in the herald style, which is, well, look what

2024
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Speaker 3: happening You're going.

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Speaker 28: And explaining it to me. Who I'm not the most

2026
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Speaker 28: intelligent source man, and so Bernard has always been happy

2027
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Speaker 28: to make time for me, even while he's trying to

2028
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 28: meet deadlines and stuff. So he's absolutely legid to work

2029
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Speaker 28: with Supermassive black Hole by muse to play us out tonight.

2030
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Speaker 28: They have got a new song coming out. It's going

2031
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Speaker 28: to be called where is It I Had? It's going

2032
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Speaker 28: to be called be with You. We don't know when

2033
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Speaker 28: it's coming out, but apparently they're working on a whole album.

2034
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Speaker 28: So when that comes out, it'll be their tenth album,

2035
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Speaker 28: and they're releasing little snippets of the songs that they've

2036
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Speaker 28: clearly written it and recorded it, so it shouldn't be

2037
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Speaker 28: too like them.

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Speaker 3: Did you know that he was he's a student of

2039
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Speaker 3: the Baroque period of music. Matt Bellamy, Yeah, yeah, right,

2040
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Speaker 3: and he's so he's like he's actually classically trained, which

2041
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Speaker 3: is why their music is so intense and operatic.

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Speaker 28: I've heard it described it as yes.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Hey, thank you for that, and I'm

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Speaker 3: quite excited about that. See tomorrow.

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