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Speaker 1: Change also, as I mentioned, coming potentially to the Holidays Act.

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Speaker 1: So we're looking at pro rate sick leaver switch from

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Speaker 1: an entitlement system to in a cruel system and you

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Speaker 1: will leave. This is the this is the idea of

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Speaker 1: the workplace relations Minister Brooklyn Velden, who's telling us businesses

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Speaker 1: had struggled since the previous government decided to double sick

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Speaker 1: Legley and Watson, CEO of Business Canterbury, is with us

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Speaker 1: Lee and very good morning to you, wanting make broadly

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Speaker 1: do these ideas make sense?

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Speaker 2: They do. We have educated four years for the holiday

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Speaker 2: to be reviewed properly and to make sure that it

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Speaker 2: is fit for purpose for the modern workplace. So the

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Speaker 2: review was originally launched in twenty nineteen, but not a

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Speaker 2: lot of progress is made. So we are glad that

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Speaker 2: this's back on the agenda for the government.

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Speaker 1: How can you launch a review in twenty nineteen and

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Speaker 1: not really make any progress? How does that work?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Not sure about that. But what we do know

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Speaker 2: is this current act requires an advanced calculus degree to

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Speaker 2: work out what leaders owed to staff calling huge frustration

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Speaker 2: and miscalculations and unintentional errors. And it's not just you know,

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Speaker 2: for small booths who don't have dedicated HR departments. We've

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Speaker 2: seen it across you know, big, small, private and public organizations.

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Speaker 1: Is it sick and annual?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is, and I think it's it's probably probably

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Speaker 2: one of the ones that causes the most frustration, in

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Speaker 2: particular for small business is the sickly And sometimes what

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Speaker 2: people don't necessarily realize or you know, they don't understand

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Speaker 2: what the impact is, so when they change to ten

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Speaker 2: sick days rather than win it is two weeks. How

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Speaker 2: that plays out is someone who works one day a

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Speaker 2: week effectively is entitled to ten days sickly, which is

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Speaker 2: going to cause, you know, put huge risk and pressure,

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Speaker 2: particularly on small businesses who you know, as we know,

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Speaker 2: are facing plenty of other risks and stress right now.

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Speaker 1: The two things on that six side of the equation

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Speaker 1: one is the ADMIN one is the cost Is that fair?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And it's yes, yeah. And just the pure complexity

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Speaker 2: of it, so you know, the calculations are particularly challenging

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Speaker 2: for or businesses who employ casual, part time stuff. And

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Speaker 2: you know, we know the government can't even figure out

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Speaker 2: how to do it with to fart or over two

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Speaker 2: billion to staff of a miscalculation. So you know, it

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Speaker 2: suggests that they have slightly larger HR departments than ninety

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Speaker 2: seven percent of businesses in the country who employ less

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Speaker 2: than twenty stuff. So we know it's complex when we've

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Speaker 2: seen larger organizations, you know, were sophisticated, you know, payroll

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Speaker 2: systems and HR departments who have not understood the complexities either.

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Speaker 1: So there's another one of these things that we were

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Speaker 1: talking about early childhood a moment ago, and everyone agrees

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Speaker 1: that the it's shambalic, it's overregulated, there's too much paperwork.

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Speaker 1: This is the same thing, shambalic, over regulated, too much paperwork.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just hasn't kept up with modern day

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Speaker 2: work practices, you know, we know, you know, casual and

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Speaker 2: part time workers, you know, very much prevalent in all

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Speaker 2: workplaces nowadays, and so you know, things like the sick

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Speaker 2: leave is a pleasant example where it's just not fit

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Speaker 2: for purpose and it is definitely needing to be changed. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, while we still need to see some of

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Speaker 2: the d tail and the exposure draft, the signals from

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Speaker 2: the minister is Sidney a step in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: Staff LeeAnne, always a pleasure to have you on the program.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it very much. Leanne Wat's in the CEO of

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Speaker 1: Business Canterbury. Yet another thing weird that you can have

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Speaker 1: so many problems that everyone agrees as a problem, and

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Speaker 1: yet nobody does anything about it, or the last government

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Speaker 1: at least launched an inquiry back in twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 1: as you heard lindsay, a moment ago achieved basically nothing.

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