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Speaker 1: The government's facing court action over the current situation with

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Speaker 1: the transgender athlete inclusion in community sport. Now you'll remember

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Speaker 1: what's gone on here. Sport New Zealand release some guidelines

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Speaker 1: about how sporting organizations could include transgender people. Then they

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Speaker 1: withdrew those guidelines after they were told to by Minister

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Speaker 1: Mark Mitchell. Auckland Pride has now filed for a judicial review.

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Speaker 1: Been good serves from Auckland Pride High Ben.

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Speaker 2: Hi, how's it going?

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Speaker 1: Very good? Thank you? What are you hoping might happen

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Speaker 1: after this court action?

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Speaker 2: What we're really hoping for is that the Minister will

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Speaker 2: have a serious look at this and consider his obligations

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Speaker 2: under the law, which is the Human Rights Act, and

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Speaker 2: what sports and zed is expected to achieve in terms

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Speaker 2: of including everyone in community sports in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: So practical outcome would be that you would hope that

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Speaker 1: transgender athletes will be reincluded.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, transgender athletes should be included in community sport, because

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Speaker 2: community sport is for the whole community. But actually these

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Speaker 2: guidelines are what local sporting organizers have been asking for

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Speaker 2: and did ask for when they were developed, because local

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Speaker 2: sports organizations and the volunteers who run sports across our

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Speaker 2: country every weekend want just practical tips to make sure

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Speaker 2: that everyone in their communities can be involved.

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Speaker 1: Has the withdrawal of the guidelines led to effectively transgender

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Speaker 1: athletes being excluded or is it still up to the

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Speaker 1: sporting organizations to make up their minds.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, it is up to every sporting organization to work

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Speaker 2: through this. But taking away the guidelines as a tool

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Speaker 2: one means that it's harder for the volunteers who are

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Speaker 2: running sports to get good answers and to help send

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Speaker 2: a message to trans people that they're included. And also

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Speaker 2: it sends a message from the government that they don't

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Speaker 2: think that inclusion of trans and rabo communities should be

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Speaker 2: a priority, and we just don't agree with that.

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Speaker 1: By the way, obviously had a call this week from

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Speaker 1: the government on the puberty blockers. What do you make

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Speaker 1: of that?

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Speaker 2: Again, we think that this is just another case of

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Speaker 2: the government riding roughshod over the Human Rights Act and

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Speaker 2: making decisions that aren't based on the evidence and aren't

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Speaker 2: based on considerations of what is the human right of

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Speaker 2: trans people to have good healthcare and to make decisions

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Speaker 2: with their doctors about their healthcare.

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Speaker 1: All right, Ben, thanks very much appreciate It've been good

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Speaker 1: so from Auckland Pride.

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