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Speaker 1: And Jason Wall's News Talk zb's political editors with us

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Speaker 1: a Jason, Happy budget Day, Heather, and to you house.

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Speaker 1: It played out in the house.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a bit pretty much as expected. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's the hours after the budget are always quite fun

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Speaker 2: to watch because it's a battle of the sound bite

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Speaker 2: as to who's getting sort of the most SoundBite worthy.

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Speaker 2: They want to get on the six o'clock news, they

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Speaker 2: obviously want to get on news talks EDB. We had

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister who was of course very focused on

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Speaker 2: the budget today.

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Speaker 3: Mister speaker, hasn't it been a shambolic year for the

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Speaker 3: Labor Party? Hasn't it?

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Speaker 2: And I have to say, has there ever been a

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Speaker 2: leader of the.

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Speaker 4: Opposition with less substance than Chris Hepkin.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Chris Hipkins, he made a number of jokes

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Speaker 2: about what Nikola Willis's No BS budget actually stood for.

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Speaker 3: The budget had no bread and shelter for vulnerable New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: The budget had no back paid settlements for women who

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Speaker 3: have been fighting to have fair paid for far too long,

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Speaker 3: and it had no better society.

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Speaker 2: Shane Drill Baby Drill Jones was in full flight.

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Speaker 5: Mister Speaker, kiwis I am holding Mary number one crude

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Speaker 5: oil with your blessings, mister speaker. I'd like to take

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Speaker 5: the lid off and invite the Green Party to sniff it.

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Speaker 2: Very focused on the other side, but then, of course

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Speaker 2: we had the Greens and Chloe's surprise surprise was not

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Speaker 2: a big fan of the budget. And I'd value you

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Speaker 2: to probably turn your radios down just a touch before

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Speaker 2: I play this one. So much for no bars, eh.

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Speaker 6: This is the trickle down budget.

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Speaker 2: This is the no ambition budget.

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Speaker 6: This is the child poverty is actually all good budget.

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Speaker 6: This is the dismantle the country and hope to sell

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Speaker 6: it for parts to international investment funds budget.

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Speaker 2: All right, there's enough of that, but you could tell

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Speaker 2: she's not really a fan Jay.

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Speaker 1: She's obviously has some polling suggesting she needs to be

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Speaker 1: more passionate. Now what happened with you and labor.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in this one because it's pay equity, right,

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Speaker 2: because like it or not, Nikola willis like it or not.

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Speaker 2: Chris Luxon Seymour was right. Brook van Velden did save

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Speaker 2: the budget when it came to this pay equity figure.

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Speaker 2: Looking at the numbers, a good proportion of what was

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Speaker 2: announced today was only possible because of these pay equity changes.

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Speaker 2: We got the numbers this afternoon. The government saved almost

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Speaker 2: thirteen billion through revamping this scheme. Here's how Nikola Willis

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Speaker 2: described it in the Budget lockup.

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Speaker 7: To give you a sense of the magnitude of this blowout.

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Speaker 7: When the pay equity regime began in twenty twenty, the

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Speaker 7: estimated costs and Treasuries books for pay equity settlements over

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Speaker 7: the next four years was three point seven billion. Since then,

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Speaker 7: potential costs have risen steeply pretty much every year.

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Speaker 2: So three point seven billion too, a number which we

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Speaker 2: actually don't know the full amount at the moment. They

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Speaker 2: wouldn't tell us that, but it's thirteen billion that they're saving,

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Speaker 2: so at least thirteen billions, it's got to be more

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Speaker 2: than that. So the question is what was going on

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Speaker 2: with labor during that time. We got Chris Hipkins up

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Speaker 2: on the pilant's back, black and white tiles, trying to

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Speaker 2: get some information out of him as to how it

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Speaker 2: got so expensive. Took any responsibility for the fact that

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Speaker 2: it is such a big figure. The Finance Minister made

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Speaker 2: a specific point of saying, under your watch this what

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Speaker 2: the amount of fund it was out of control.

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Speaker 8: For goodness sakes, I don't take responsibility for the fact

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Speaker 8: that women are being paid less than men. I do

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Speaker 8: take responsibility for the fact that we were going to

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Speaker 8: do something about.

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Speaker 2: This, which is not an answer at all. So try

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Speaker 2: it again. Three.

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Speaker 4: This is when this would have all been coming to

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Speaker 4: a head. Will you prove it to the information about

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Speaker 4: how much lessly blowing up in terms.

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Speaker 8: Of the cost, Well, we would have had calculations at

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Speaker 8: that time. I don't have them now.

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Speaker 2: But were you worried today the time?

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Speaker 8: Well, we as very clear. We set aside funding to

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Speaker 8: pay for us.

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Speaker 2: So he was not giving us any information in terms

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Speaker 2: of anything that came across his desk. We tried, We tried,

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Speaker 2: He tried one more time. When your Prime minister.

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Speaker 4: Did you receive any warn into the strocery or any

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Speaker 4: of your ministers about the any riches to do with

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Speaker 4: the pay equity playability exceeding that of the three billion dollars.

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Speaker 8: That you had in an dissipated I'd have to go

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Speaker 8: back and check, but we certainly knew that it was

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Speaker 8: going there was going to be a reasonably significant price

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Speaker 8: tag with succeedling pay would he.

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Speaker 2: Claims how much is reasonably significant?

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Speaker 8: I didn't memorize the reports to go back and find

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Speaker 8: them again.

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Speaker 2: So clear as mud thus far. And I heard him

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Speaker 2: when you were talking to him before. There's absolutely no

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Speaker 2: answers from Labor on this one too.

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Speaker 1: Ye doesn't want to go there. Hey, can I just

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Speaker 1: ask you just a personal question? Why is it that you?

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Speaker 1: Because we're we're broadcasting out of Parliament today obviously, and

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Speaker 1: so we're not far from the press gallery, and we,

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Speaker 1: you know, have occasion to use your kitchen. Why do

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Speaker 1: none of you guys have any tea?

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Speaker 2: What do you tea? As in?

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Speaker 1: Like, well, there's no tea in your kitchen?

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Speaker 2: Oh, because we're all separate officers. We have tea in

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Speaker 2: our own officers. We're not social.

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Speaker 1: See with the long we sent him with the long

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Speaker 1: hair and to get a tea for me, and and

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Speaker 1: Janney had to give us a tea. And it was

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Speaker 1: a lady. There was a lady Gray. There's no do

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Speaker 1: you have do you have English breakfast in your office?

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Speaker 2: We've probably got some sitting around somewhere yonder you were

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Speaker 2: looking for tea, Heather, I would have helped you out,

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Speaker 2: but wrong with like?

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Speaker 1: What is wrong with you people? Have you lost all culture?

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Speaker 2: As press gallery chair, I make a solemn promise to

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Speaker 2: do a case study and a market study into getting

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Speaker 2: some tea for the gallery kitchen. We'll go out to

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Speaker 2: consultation and after six to nine years we'll get back

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Speaker 2: to you an announce it. How do I okay?

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Speaker 1: Off?

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Speaker 2: You go?

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Speaker 1: Jason? Thank you as always Jason Wall's News Talk ZB

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Speaker 1: politically edit. Honestly, we had to scrounge around and we

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Speaker 1: got like and nobody drinks ill Gray Tya if they've

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Speaker 1: got any class, So we had to scraunch around and

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Speaker 1: drink this. Thank you to Jane who's lovely and shared

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Speaker 1: one of her tea bags. I mean sharing a tea bag?

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Speaker 1: How poor have we got?

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