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Speaker 1: Murray Old's Ossie corresponds with that's hay Mars good they here,

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Speaker 1: they're good afternoon, Lydia Thorpe.

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Speaker 2: For gift that keeps on giving, made a good thing.

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Speaker 2: The senators rising at the upper House of the Federal Parliament.

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Speaker 2: It's been a very long year and the kids are

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Speaker 2: getting very ruckecy at the end of school. Yesterday, well,

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Speaker 2: look there's some moving parts in this. Yesterday pull in

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Speaker 2: Hansen tried to query whether Fatima Payment, a young woman

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Speaker 2: born in Afghanistan, is she even allowed to sit in

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Speaker 2: the Australian Parliament. Queried Hansen, Well, Fatima Payment gave her

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Speaker 2: both barrels, said you're just a disgrace of the human race, Hansen,

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Speaker 2: and then Lydia Thorpe throws Hanson's motion a bunch of

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Speaker 2: papers around the Senate. Well enough was enough for both

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Speaker 2: major parties and they ganged up on Thorpe and agreed

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Speaker 2: to have her suspended for two days ah the last

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Speaker 2: two days of the year. So she's walked out of

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Speaker 2: the house yesterday with a middle her up to the

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Speaker 2: whole chamber and she's come back today. The doors are open,

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Speaker 2: proceedings are underway, and she gives them a godfl take

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Speaker 2: a listen, Pal, I call the clerk. I call the clerk. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there you go, Lydia Thorpe the gift he keeps on giving.

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Speaker 1: Is there anybody who is impressed with her behavior? I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously right minded people like myself and yourself are like,

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Speaker 1: what a lunatic? But what about the people who care

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Speaker 1: about the causes that she advocates? Do they like this?

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Speaker 2: Well? Look, honestly, I can't. I can't answer that to

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Speaker 2: be honest. Look, she likes the sound of her own voice.

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Speaker 2: She loves the attention of the publicity. Yeah, whether that

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Speaker 2: gets her elected again when the Senate comes around, I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure. She certainly got more headlines than most of them.

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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of them. They could bite you

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Speaker 2: on the bum. They're so anonymous you wouldn't know who

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Speaker 2: the heck they are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair point.

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Speaker 2: You know who she is.

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Speaker 1: And we will probably not forget for a long time

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Speaker 1: that copper who tasted the old lady's being convicted of

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Speaker 1: men slaughter, which really was there was no other way, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, once you kind of knew the circumstances, it

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Speaker 1: was clear the guy shouldn't have done it.

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Speaker 2: Well, now he should not have done it. And for

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Speaker 2: those who don't know, ninety five year old woman plan Nowland,

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Speaker 2: a great grandmother with dementia, and she was there in

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Speaker 2: a nursing home and Kuma down in the snowy mountains

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Speaker 2: a year ago now, no over a year ago now anyway,

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Speaker 2: as she had taken a couple of knives from the kitchen,

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Speaker 2: was walking but you know, getting around on a walker,

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Speaker 2: had gone into another residence room, which isn't cool, I guess,

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Speaker 2: and one of the supervisors called police. Will the police

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Speaker 2: have turned up with paramedics, and you would think, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 2: She's ninety five, she's frail, she's old, she can't get

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Speaker 2: around that quickly. And he puts a taser into a chest.

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Speaker 2: She falls, hits ahead and dies five days later from

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Speaker 2: a frection skull. So look, there's no winners in any

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Speaker 2: of this. He's been convicted. They applied today the prosecution

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Speaker 2: for for bail to be revoked and they want to

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Speaker 2: cast out your sentence. His barrister, the defendant's barrister, saying, listen,

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Speaker 2: there's no need for custody here, no winners, And for

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Speaker 2: a police officer going in side is going to be

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Speaker 2: very very tough. Indeed. I mean I think for manslaughter

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Speaker 2: it's up to is it fifteen years in New South Wales?

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Speaker 2: I think, so he's facing a long time in jail,

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Speaker 2: and I think we're going to find out more about

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Speaker 2: sentencing tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Must you see the story about this murderer who's in

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Speaker 1: jail and she's allowed to undergo IVF.

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Speaker 2: That's right, I mean, we are. It's funny. I was

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Speaker 2: playing golf this morning and you know, with a couple

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Speaker 2: of older guys, much older than me, and they're saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: the world's changed, you reckon, it has changed. And this

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Speaker 2: outrage in Victoria where this woman convicted of murdering a friend.

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Speaker 2: The killer was high on ice. This mother of three

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Speaker 2: was just in the way and she was stabbed to death. Well,

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Speaker 2: this woman, Alisia Schiller, was jailed for at least six years.

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Speaker 2: That was back in twenty seventeen for murder. Now she

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Speaker 2: wants to undergo self funded IVF. And the critics say

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Speaker 2: this is outrageous that she's been granted permission to have

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Speaker 2: a child, But lawyers for her say, listen, just because

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Speaker 2: you're in jail, women do not surrender the right to

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Speaker 2: have a child. Deprivation of liberty, yes, but not you know,

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Speaker 2: surrender of all your basic health care rights. You have

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Speaker 2: the same as anyone else. So she says, you're going

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Speaker 2: to fund IVF herself. She'll raise the child in jail

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Speaker 2: until the child is five and then hand her off

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Speaker 2: to her own mother, the child's grandmother. Well, I don't

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Speaker 2: think too many people are happy about it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, the court has ruled this is fine. So

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure exactly where this goes from here. I

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Speaker 2: meant she has to find a donor and get all

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Speaker 2: the you know, all the bits and pieces, all the

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Speaker 2: ducks got to know, have to line up, but apparently

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Speaker 2: nothing stopping her having IVF.

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Speaker 1: It's got to go right up there. No, it's absolutely mental. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the courts have gone nuts. Hey, I must thank you

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Speaker 1: for that. Appreciate it. Murray OL's Australia correspondent. How mad

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Speaker 1: is that?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: What's the court is? The court decided here that the

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Speaker 1: woman's right to have a baby outweighs the right of

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Speaker 1: the baby to not be raised in a jail. You psychos.

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