1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Ten past five. Ever, do for cl party, drugs are 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: becoming cheaper, easier to get, and there's a new favorite 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: emerging among students, which is ketamine. Now, this is according 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: to the latest drugs Drug Trends survey. Casey Speirin is 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: the general manager of the drug testing outfit known as 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Know Your Stuff and is with us high Casey, Joda. 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: Heather, thanks for having us on the program. 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, no worries at all. Now, why is it that 9 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: kids like the kessamine? 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: All right? I just should say the start that certainly 11 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: Know your Stuff. We're not the expert on the drug 12 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: market overall, but you know, we do work with about 13 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 2: eight thousand clients every year checking their drugs, so we 14 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: you know, see a lot of the frontline stuff. Also, 15 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 2: it's not really kids doing kademen. It's certainly not children. 16 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: I know. In the recent report they said the median 17 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: age was about twenty seven, so you know it's youth, 18 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: it's students, but it's also plenty of people but older 19 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 2: than that. 20 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: Okay, So the question that I asked, why do they 21 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: like it? 22 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. I really wish that we 23 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: had a solid answer for that. You know, we have 24 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: seen increasing academen use in New Zealand. Sin's around twenty eighteen. 25 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: If I could speculate on why it is increasing, you know, 26 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 2: it's a short duration, there's a little come down, and 27 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: it's actually a very low risk drug with moderate use. 28 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: You know, we hear anecdotally of students not drinking as much, 29 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: people not drinking as much, and kenmine is certainly a 30 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 2: way to have similar effects without you know, the price 31 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: and the hangovers the next day. 32 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: What does it cost? 33 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: I believe the report said that kenmyne is going for 34 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 2: on average about two hundred dollars a gram. Right now, how. 35 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: Much is a gram? If I held it in my hand, 36 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: how much is a gram? 37 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: It's a very small amount. 38 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 39 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: When you look at that and you go, oh my gosh, 40 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: that was two hundred dollars. Generally people will take about 41 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: kind of forty to fifteen milligrams as a standard dose, 42 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: but there's you know, quite a few doses within one gram. 43 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Okay. The MDMA price has halved in about 44 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: eight years. Why is that? 45 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? Again, I really wish we knew it, so it's 46 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: very hard to tell with illsted markets, but we do 47 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: know that there was a bit of a rebound supply 48 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: after the pandemic happened. There was lots of terrible things 49 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: being substituted for MDMA during that and yeah, you know, 50 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: as it's all markets, the price reflects the supply. So 51 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 2: we're getting more in the country and there's a drop. 52 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: In price, and they're getting in the social media and. 53 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: Theybe yes, the social media one. You know, again, this 54 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: is just we're just seeing what happens in markets naturally, 55 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: which is you know, new ways of purchasing coming up, 56 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: and you know, we know that people are turning to 57 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: darknet markets as well as social media to buy the drugs. 58 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, thank you very much, Casey appreciated, Casey Speir 59 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: and know you stuff. For more from hither Duplassy Ellen Drive, 60 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: listen live to news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, 61 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.