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Speaker 1: Digging through the Spith spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Oring It's Heather duplicy elan drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected News Talks AV.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming up today. Apparently

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Speaker 2: foreign actors have been trying to interfere with our space gear.

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Speaker 2: We're going to speak to Judith Collins. The homelessness report

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Speaker 2: is finally out in Yes, homelessness has gone up, and

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Speaker 2: Federated Farmers as cross at Green Priest and wants its

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Speaker 2: charity status stripped.

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Speaker 3: Well, chat to them, Heather duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: So guess what's happening after Nichola Willis's butter meeting with

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Speaker 2: Fonterra last night. Nothing After hyping the meeting, after Mikey

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Speaker 2: chasing Miles down the street, after the news going live

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Speaker 2: with the banner across the TV that the Fonterra meeting

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Speaker 2: is under way, after all of that, nothing is happening

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Speaker 2: because nothing can happen because Fonterra is not ripping us off.

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Speaker 2: We're simply paying the same international price as everyone for butter,

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Speaker 2: which Nichola knows because she's an intelligent woman and woman

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Speaker 2: and because she used to work for Fonterra as well.

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Speaker 2: So nothing has come from the meeting. There is no

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Speaker 2: announcement about what is being fixed, Miles Hurral is not

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Speaker 2: resigning or apologizing, and the price of butter is not dropping.

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Speaker 2: All that has happened is that Nichola Willis has fronted

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Speaker 2: up for the media today and told them that Miles

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Speaker 2: Hurral will talk to them at some time soon to

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Speaker 2: explain how the price of butter works, which is a

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Speaker 2: nothing outcome, in which case you have to ask yourself

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Speaker 2: the question, what was the point of the meeting? If

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Speaker 2: Nikola actually truly does understand the mechanics of butter pricing,

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Speaker 2: and presumably then also understands that Fonterra isn't ripping us off,

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Speaker 2: and also had no plans to announce anything after this meeting,

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Speaker 2: why hype the meeting? I can answer that question for you.

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Speaker 2: Because she wanted to pass the buck. She wanted to

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Speaker 2: blame Fonterra, because National is feeling the pressure over the

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Speaker 2: fact that Labour is now more trusted to deal with

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Speaker 2: the cost of living crisis than National is, according to

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Speaker 2: the EPSOS survey which is out this month. Because the

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Speaker 2: heat is being cracked up, cranked up on National, who

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Speaker 2: have talked a very big game about getting the economy

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Speaker 2: back on tracking. Yet eighteen months it's still very much

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Speaker 2: off track to the extent that people cannot afford. Butter

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Speaker 2: Nikola tried to shift the blame from National to Fonterra

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Speaker 2: and it didn't work. Now the lesson here is that

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Speaker 2: performance politics doesn't work. Blaming the supermarkets but doing nothing,

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Speaker 2: blaming Fonterra but doing nothing, blaming the banks but doing nothing.

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Speaker 2: That kind of stuff doesn't work, and in fact it's risky.

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Speaker 2: It runs the risk of backfiring, which is exactly what's

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Speaker 2: happening here.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Nice to meet you.

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Speaker 2: Is a text number. Standard text fees apply, of course.

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Speaker 2: Now how good is this? The major concert route is

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Speaker 2: over for Wellington. The capital is going to be flooded

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Speaker 2: with Ed Sheeran fans in January next year. This announcement

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Speaker 2: comes after stars like Lewis Capaldi and our very own

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Speaker 2: Lord have skipped over the city in their New Zealand tours.

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Speaker 2: Chief Executive of Wellington, New Zealand, Mark old Ashore is

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Speaker 2: with us a mark you good, thank you? Did you

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Speaker 2: have to convince ed to stop by?

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Speaker 4: It has been quoted in the past of saying Wellington's

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Speaker 4: favorite city in the world, so it's great to see

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Speaker 2: Did you have to convince it to stop by? Not

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Speaker 2: at all, Not at all. No, I wasn't buying. I

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Speaker 2: wasn't buying your quote there. Why does everybody else pass you?

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Speaker 3: Mark?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Look, I think that's slightly unfair, Heather. We've had a

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Speaker 4: look in terms of supporting events. Who have had a

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Speaker 4: not a lot in between, so you know, there are

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Speaker 3: At the moment.

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Speaker 4: He's an expensive place to come and you know some

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Speaker 2: When was the last time you guys had a gig

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Speaker 2: I think it was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Look and I'm only going on from memory as

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Speaker 4: we're expecting the same this time as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, congrats on the job. Mark. When did you take it?

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Speaker 4: About six weeks ago, so we've had We've had a really, really,

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Speaker 2: What were you doing beforehand?

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Speaker 4: I was with vocational education for a while, ti Stree

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Speaker 2: Oh cool, Okay, see, yeah, you do know, you do

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: You're do you reckon? You've got your work cut out

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Speaker 4: Look, I think I think, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 4: I think Wellington's you know, starting to see that real

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Speaker 2: Again, what do you think is started? Is it their

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Speaker 2: starting to turn things around?

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Speaker 3: Well I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we'll we'll wait and see what comes out

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Speaker 2: You reckon Wellington needs to do to get the vibe

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Speaker 4: Yes to would agree. I mean, look, those are great

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Speaker 2: Hey, look, good luck with the job, Mark, and enjoy

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Speaker 2: the ED sharing concert. That's Mark Oldershaw, Wellington, New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Chief Executive. When is ED playing? He's playing next year

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Speaker 2: Should the concert club bother going to it? Think about it? Said,

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Speaker 2: it's difficult to get gigs in there. Like if if

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Speaker 2: going to get something going on there. Hither, who needs

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Speaker 2: I heard extensive interviews done this morning, extensive extensive interviews

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Speaker 2: The German she knows how to bake, because the Germans

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Speaker 2: So you can do it. But anyway, there you go

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Speaker 2: on to some other actual news. The Duval people have

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Speaker 2: because they're basically under an overseas travel band. The High

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Speaker 2: Court said, no reasons, heavily suppressed.

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Speaker 2: Hither why not in port butter? It's not serious? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Eighteen past four Darcy water Grave Sports Talkhoasters of Me, Hello, Darcy?

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Speaker 8: How much just butter?

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Speaker 2: These days?

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Speaker 8: I must be the only person.

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Speaker 2: How much is butter when you do your baking? Because

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Speaker 2: you're German?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 2: She does, She's got too much money. She doesn't keep

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Speaker 8: I don't I don't indulge in butter.

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Speaker 5: I've got no idea.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you we call Nichola Willis.

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Speaker 8: I'm probably the only person. And you said, that doesn't

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Speaker 8: how much butter is?

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Speaker 6: Speak?

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Speaker 2: All your butter money traveling the world anyway?

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Speaker 8: No buying shoes.

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Speaker 2: Foreigners looked into this charity boxing match. What exactly does

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Speaker 2: a regulator for charity boxing matches?

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Speaker 8: It's hard, isn't it? Telling people what to do and

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Speaker 8: what they can and can't do, And it's all for

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Speaker 8: good health and acc and people not dying. I understand that,

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Speaker 8: But well, you can lead a horse to water and

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Speaker 8: aren't good for them, and this is a tragic case

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Speaker 8: of cane Parsons, no doubt. But how much can you

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Speaker 8: lead to slate? We go back to run it straight?

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Speaker 8: All these other sports things are dangerous. There are amateurs.

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Speaker 8: They don't go out there to deliberately do something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand. I mean, look, I feel terrible

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Speaker 8: Well, there's no surprise in that. I was asked, actually

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Speaker 2: On that concussion, the boxing and the concussion that Darcy

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Speaker 2: If you look at thinking, jeez, I need to add

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Speaker 2: The meeting was constructive and this is what she learned

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Speaker 11: With a large proportion of the price you pay for

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Speaker 1: Darkness, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplessy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 2: Standing by out of the states and very sople with

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on newstalks they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: So Trump has announced it trade deal with Japan. Japanese

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Speaker 2: And finally, a boaty in San Diego has been arrested

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 2: Dan A US correspondence with US Hello Dan, Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 2: long time, no chet. Should we start with Ozzie Osborne.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever see him in concert?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Gosh, yeah, I don't know. No, No, Ozzie was a

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Speaker 13: Okay, No, No, I have never seen him perform. It

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Speaker 13: we like that kind of stuff. We like that transparence

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was certainly. I mean he's been credited with

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Speaker 13: And if you'll listen to some of the musicians and

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Speaker 13: And you know, it was his unique voice and he

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean when you think about it, every single

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Speaker 13: I mean this the GOP House Oversight Committee, and they

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Speaker 13: You know, this is about thirteen and fourteen and fifteen

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Speaker 13: beyond politics. And you know, nearly eighty percent of the

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Speaker 13: American public say they want some sort of transparency on this.

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Speaker 13: So it's I don't think this is gonna this is

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Speaker 13: not going to go away.

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Speaker 2: Has this started to hurt Trump's approval, writings not yet.

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Speaker 13: This is something that the Trump want wanted to kind

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Speaker 13: of get out of the news cycle about a week ago,

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Speaker 13: and then all of a sudden, when he saw that

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Speaker 13: the tide was kind of turning and Republicans, not just Democrats,

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Speaker 13: but Republicans were starting to say, well, wait a minute,

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Speaker 13: we need to know a little bit more about this,

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Speaker 13: We need a little bit more transparency. He was the

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Speaker 13: one that said, well, okay, I'm going to have you know,

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Speaker 13: my people be as transparent. He didn't say he was,

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Speaker 13: but his people be as transparent as they possibly could

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Speaker 13: in getting all these files and information out.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Interesting. So Putin doesn't want to deal with Trump,

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Speaker 2: does he?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 13: And you know, I was thinking about this earlier, Heather.

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Speaker 13: You know, we go back to the relationship and we've

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Speaker 13: talked about this before that Trump had with Elon Musk,

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Speaker 13: and we said this wasn't going to last. And I

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Speaker 13: don't think anybody could have seriously thought the same thing

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Speaker 13: with Vladimir Putin was going to go his way. I mean,

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Speaker 13: Russia is souring on the relationship they've got with Trump.

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Speaker 13: He's given them this time to wrap up the war

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Speaker 13: with the Ukraine or threatening sanctions, and he's announced a

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Speaker 13: deal to armed Ukraine, and Putin is always going to

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Speaker 13: prioritize war, and I think he's pretty confident Russia has

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Speaker 13: sort of got upper hand on this, and he's gone

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Speaker 13: out of his way, you know, for months to flatter Trump,

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Speaker 13: but he hasn't commented on the threats. And I think

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Speaker 13: Trump is really getting frustrated and aggravated that he's reached

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Speaker 13: out to Putin, you know, four or five six times

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Speaker 13: with phone calls and nothing's happened, and he's not getting

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Speaker 13: any kind of response and he's not used to that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I should have expected it. Everybody warned him, Hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much. Dan appreciated that. It's Dan Mitchinson,

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Speaker 2: our US correspondent. So, Ozzie Osborne, do you remember this?

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Speaker 2: Ozzie Osbourne did that big concert. It was like Rock

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Speaker 2: to Wellington or something, I don't know, some name like

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Speaker 2: that I can't remember in two thousand and eight. Do

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Speaker 2: you remember that went along to it and saw Ozzie Osbourne.

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Speaker 2: Dan did not miss out on anything, not seeing Ozzie Osbourne,

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Speaker 2: certainly not in the last twenty years or something like that.

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Speaker 2: The most he was rubbish on stage. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: will be no surprise to you whatsoever, because I mean

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Speaker 2: this is the time he was shuffling around for donkeys' years, right,

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Speaker 2: So if you're shuffling around like that, you're hardly going

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Speaker 2: to belt the tunes out, do you know what I mean? Anyway,

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Speaker 2: it was nice to see him do his concert, but

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Speaker 2: the most the most memorable thing about his concert was

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Speaker 2: that he swore at us if you Wellington or something

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Speaker 2: like that, and then he turned around and flashed his

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Speaker 2: us us. He puught his pants down and flashed us butt.

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Speaker 2: I mean he must have been a man in his

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Speaker 2: sixties by then, but anyway, he did it, and then

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Speaker 2: he disappeared. He just disappeared off the stage for like

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Speaker 2: the longest time while the band continued to sort of

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Speaker 2: play some tunes and stuff like that. God only knows

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Speaker 2: what he was doing. I reckon he was going back

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Speaker 2: there for a quick nap because he was that old anyway,

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Speaker 2: And he came back on stage and finished it. But

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Speaker 2: I tell you what, I'll tell you. Who's not missing

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Speaker 2: Ozzie Osborne today is my mum because she told me

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Speaker 2: when I was a child, before I even knew who

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Speaker 2: Ozzy Osbourne was that there were these terrible people who

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Speaker 2: bit the heads off bats. It turns out it's Ossy Osborne,

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Speaker 2: so thank god she'll be like, oh, thank god we

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Speaker 2: got rid of that nonsense. Seventeen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 2: Across the Kaffle with Federad Farmers and it tickets fourteen

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Speaker 2: away from five and Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, is

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Speaker 2: the high bearing good afternoon. So Nicholas wore on butter?

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Speaker 2: Is it working or is it backfiring?

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Speaker 9: Well, the expectation was, wasn't it that when she had

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Speaker 9: the head of Fonterra up to her office, that something

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Speaker 9: was going to be done about the price of butter.

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Speaker 9: But you know, the reality was that nothing could have

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Speaker 9: been done about the price of butter. She does meet

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Speaker 9: with Fonterra from time to time, well several times a

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Speaker 9: year in fact, but where was the expectation created. Maybe

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Speaker 9: she would have been better not to have mentioned that

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Speaker 9: she's going to have a meeting with Fonterra given the

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Speaker 9: price of butter.

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Speaker 2: No, she said, I am going to have a meeting

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Speaker 2: with Fonterra and ask them to explain the price of butter.

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Speaker 9: Exactly, and so that was interpreted as being her being

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Speaker 9: able to drive down in some way the price of

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Speaker 9: butter by having a meeting with Fonterra, which of course

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Speaker 9: would never have been the case. She the she was

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Speaker 9: reminded by Labour's Barbara Edmunds in Parliament of her own

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Speaker 9: attacks of Labor over the price of food when she

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Speaker 9: was in opposition. Here they are.

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Speaker 5: Does she regret doing a Facebook video waving a block

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Speaker 5: of cheese complaining it was too expensive, only to see

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Speaker 5: it increase under her watch.

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Speaker 11: No, not at almost to speaker, because what I was

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Speaker 11: highlighting at that time was that under the watch of

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Speaker 11: the government I was critiquing food price inflation went to double.

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Speaker 15: Digits, double digits, mister Speaker, up over twelve percent, and

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Speaker 15: every week I recall coming down to this house and saying,

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Speaker 15: what you please. He's up on the waistful spending. It's

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Speaker 15: charging the inflation and kiwis are paying the price. And

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Speaker 15: you know what, there was a little election about that.

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Speaker 11: Guess who won.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, pretty uptight about it.

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Speaker 2: But does that feel a little wee one you lost?

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Speaker 2: Eat that?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yes?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely. The thing is that she keeps coming back to

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Speaker 9: supermarkets and what they are, what their markup clearly is

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Speaker 9: by the supplier being Fonterra. There is an expectation I

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Speaker 9: think within the next few weeks. I inquired around the

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Speaker 9: Behave today that there will be some sort of announcement

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Speaker 9: by the government on supermarkets within the next fortnight, so

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Speaker 9: keep your eye out for that. I also looked at

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Speaker 9: what Fonterra gets and you probably know this anyway, Vonterra

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Speaker 9: gets for a kilogrammer butter is thirteen dollars fifty Now

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Speaker 9: five hundred grams of that is six dollars seventy five.

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Speaker 9: So the markup in supermarkets is not that massive when

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Speaker 9: you look at the international price, so not a hell

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Speaker 9: of a lot can be done.

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Speaker 2: Well quite, I mean, that is exactly the point. Hey,

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Speaker 2: what do you make of the police target being moved?

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Speaker 9: Well, this is yet comes back to expectations, doesn't it

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Speaker 9: In politics that you know, you should never put numbers

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Speaker 9: on things like police and other things like creating an expectation.

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Speaker 9: You'll remember National got into trouble in the first place

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Speaker 9: over this. They said that we'll have another five hundred policemen.

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Speaker 9: Initially it was two years then they said, oh no,

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Speaker 9: hang on, it was three years. Now it's back to

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Speaker 9: two years. They're not going to get there now until

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Speaker 9: about August next year, according to the Police Commissioner, now

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Speaker 9: the Associate Policeman, Ister Casey Costello. Very conveniently, she's the

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Speaker 9: one responsible for this particular policy. She said in February

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Speaker 9: she was even more confident that the target would be

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Speaker 9: reached in November this year. Well, of course they've got

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Speaker 9: another police college now in operation here in Auckland, but

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Speaker 9: it's not going to be reached and they're going to

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Speaker 9: come nowhere near the five hundred. Ginny Anderson, of course,

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Speaker 9: she's the Labor police spokesman. She condemned the delay as

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Speaker 9: an example of Luxeon's inability to deliver. But let's remember

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Speaker 9: the last Labor government promised eighteen one hundred new policemen

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Speaker 9: on the beat, they said three years from becoming government

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Speaker 9: in twenty and seventeen. They only achieved that in mid

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Speaker 9: twenty twenty three. And of those two hundred and seventy

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Speaker 9: weren't sworn police officers, so they weren't bopping to the

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Speaker 9: beat as we were assured they would be. They were

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Speaker 9: in the back office doing work for frontline policemen.

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Speaker 2: Tell me if I'm wrong, but that homelessness report really

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Speaker 2: was not worth waiting for, was this?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's to me the figures are disturbing when you

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Speaker 9: think homelessness. Now there's people sleeping rough Yeah, are what

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Speaker 9: nearly five thousand people? Yes, so according to the last census,

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Speaker 9: that's the size of Dargaville.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not what I mean though, Right, this thing

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Speaker 2: has been hyped up. Q and A was going hard

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Speaker 2: on it. Various media were going hard on it because

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Speaker 2: it was supposed to show us that ending the emergency

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Speaker 2: accommodation and cleaning that up has led to an increasing homelessness.

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Speaker 2: All of these figures are from the labor government. That

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Speaker 2: none of us is capturing the national government.

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Speaker 9: No, it's not, and that's right. And to claim that

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Speaker 9: closing down emergency housing has led to people going out

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Speaker 9: on the streets, I mean interestingly, if you look at

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Speaker 9: the number of people that are living without any shelter

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Speaker 9: on the streets, the majority of them are older. Fifty

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Speaker 9: five percent of them are males and forty four percent females,

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Speaker 9: and they are over the age of I think about

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Speaker 9: fifty plus their age group. So they're older people that

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Speaker 9: are on the streets, not the youngsters with families that

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Speaker 9: need to be housed.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Bary So for senior political correspondent. Let's

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Speaker 2: talk about the homelessness thing. Actually next it's eight away

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Speaker 2: from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the my asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 16: Sophie Malleneiu is the CEO of Sky Television Television New

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Speaker 16: Zealand Sports wise, now stuff, aren't they No?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 16: How is it possible that you go to the Rugby

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Speaker 16: Union and go, we'll take some of the all Blacks

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Speaker 16: and we'll pop it on to TV.

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Speaker 17: Three.

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Speaker 3: Oh, hold on, no, we won't.

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Speaker 16: We might sell the to TV and said, no, you're not.

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Speaker 2: The Rugby Union is the owner of those rights. So

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Speaker 2: ultimately they've got a decision to make about where they

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Speaker 2: want to place some of the freeze ware rights.

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Speaker 16: I don't want to bag on TV and said, but

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Speaker 16: it just means and this goes back to the ComCom thing.

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Speaker 16: You own a tremendous amount of very valuable real estate

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Speaker 16: now and for some that's hard work. Now, TVNZAD are

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Speaker 16: still the juggonaut though.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can discount.

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Speaker 16: That back tomorrow at six am the mic Husking Breakfast

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Speaker 16: with the land Driver, Discovery News talk z b Okay.

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Speaker 2: So the homelessness report, I was expecting more of it

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Speaker 2: because it had been turned into something that Tama Portucker

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Speaker 2: was sitting on. And how to have been framed is, Oh,

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Speaker 2: the government's gone and you know, cleaned up the emergency

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Speaker 2: accommodation motels and turfed all these people out onto the street,

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Speaker 2: and homelessness had gone up. And he's got this report

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Speaker 2: and he's sitting on this report, and this report says

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Speaker 2: all of that. Well, look, maybe I am missing something,

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Speaker 2: but what I am seeing is a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: stuff from the census in twenty twenty three. Now, what

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Speaker 2: does that tell you? That's got that they have none

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Speaker 2: of what Tamma Putuck has done in it. The Census

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three only captures what the Labor Party did

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Speaker 2: when they were in government. Yes, on the first page

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Speaker 2: there is some anecdotal stuff from councils showing that absolutely

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Speaker 2: they are reporting there are more people sleeping rough this

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Speaker 2: past summer than the previous summer. But what's it called again? Ants,

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Speaker 2: what's that that thing called? That you do Dunning Kruger. No,

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Speaker 2: the other one the what the Bard and Minehoff, thank you,

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Speaker 2: she knows because she's German. The Bard and Minehoff thing

657
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Speaker 2: is when you when you think you start, you have

658
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Speaker 2: confirmation bias, right, So if you start seeing rough sleepers,

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Speaker 2: then you see rough sleepers everywhere, and then you tell

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Speaker 2: yourself that you're seeing rough sleepers.

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Speaker 10: Say and you point out either yea. It's like the

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Speaker 10: one where you buy a new car and then suddenly

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Speaker 10: you see think everyone's got that car because you see

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Speaker 10: that car everywhere.

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Speaker 2: So now I'm driving a BYD shark. Then I see

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Speaker 2: the BYD sharks everywhere. I think everybody's got a bid shark.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Now, it's not to

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Speaker 2: reduce a I don't want to reduce this to like,

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Speaker 2: I'm not being silly and taking the mick about homelessness,

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Speaker 2: which is a serious thing. Obviously. I'm just saying anecdotal

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Speaker 2: evidence is not quite as firm, if you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, as the other stuff though, when you're actually

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Speaker 2: counting people. But anyway, look, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: it shortly and get an actual experts take on that. Obviously.

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Speaker 2: Do you hey, do you know the story of the

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Speaker 2: young woman who was killed in the early twentieth century

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Speaker 2: in Wellington because she'd fallen pregnant. She's seventeen years old.

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Speaker 2: She'd fallen pregnant to her boyfriend. The boyfriend didn't want

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Speaker 2: to have the baby. He knocked her off, put her

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Speaker 2: body in the Mount VC tunnel. It's gramet. Put her

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Speaker 2: body in the Mount victunnels like you know, excavation stuff.

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Speaker 2: And then they took forever to find her. And when

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Speaker 2: they finally found her, they gave him the old the

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Speaker 2: old hanging job. Anyway, she was buried in an unmarked grave.

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Speaker 2: This is Phyllisimmons. She was buried in the unmarked grave

686
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Speaker 2: because back then that was a very naughty thing to

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Speaker 2: have done back in the early early twentieth century. Someone

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Speaker 2: has now put a gravestone down for her, and it's

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Speaker 2: not clear who, and it's a bit of a mystery.

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Speaker 2: So we'll have a chat about that shortly as well.

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Speaker 2: And as I say, Judith, on what we're going to

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Speaker 2: do about these foreign actors trying to interfere with our

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Speaker 2: space gear. News talks, be.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts analysis, The drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture Heather Dupasy on drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 6: That'd be.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Parliament has rushed a new law under urgency to

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Speaker 2: protect our space programs from foreign inter interference. It turns

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Speaker 2: out that on a number of occasions in the last

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Speaker 2: five years, foreign actors have tried to build space infrastructure

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Speaker 2: on the ground here in New Zealand, but have not

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Speaker 2: been on about their links to foreign militaries. Space Minister

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Speaker 2: Judith Collins is with us now our hy Judith, Oh,

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Speaker 2: can you tell us which foreign militaries we're talking about?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's enough to say it's the usual suspects.

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Speaker 2: We so Russia and Chinese.

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Speaker 5: I'd just say it's And of course there are other

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Speaker 5: countries that might well be interested in doing the sort

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Speaker 5: of thing too, particularly given our location in the world,

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Speaker 5: the fact that we are known as a space nation

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Speaker 5: now and we're very keen to be involved in things

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Speaker 5: and kiwis we can be a little bit gullible from

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Speaker 5: time to time because we like to take people, you know,

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Speaker 5: on as we see them. So we we have occasionally

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Speaker 5: had the security agencies of occasional in the last five

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Speaker 5: years had to step in and tell people who they're

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Speaker 5: really dealing with.

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Speaker 2: What are they trying to build?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's about These are things that involve things that

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Speaker 5: are involved in satellite data reception, for instance, space surveillance, identification,

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Speaker 5: spacecraft telemetry, which is basically the clleckching of data from

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Speaker 5: satellites and operations and operations of spacecraft. So it can

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Speaker 5: be if you think about so much of our communications,

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Speaker 5: our banking, so much what we do now is done

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Speaker 5: through satellites, that sort of information could be pulled off

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Speaker 5: those satellites or to be copied and used for various purposes,

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Speaker 5: and it could also be defed with. So these are

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Speaker 5: sorts of things we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Are there examples of genuine businesses, like perhaps even New

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Speaker 2: Zealand businesses who are busy doing it and on selling

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Speaker 2: the data not realizing who they're on selling it to.

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Speaker 5: Well, there might be, but I can't say for certain

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Speaker 5: that's true. What I do know is that, look, there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of people very interested in space, and this

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Speaker 5: is not about targeting people who just happen to have

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Speaker 5: an extraly, extra big telescope in their backyard. This is

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Speaker 5: about commercial operations and I think two is that in

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Speaker 5: the past, our security agencies have been able to talk

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Speaker 5: to the owners of the land about who's really involved.

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Speaker 5: At the moment, I don't think we can continue to

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Speaker 5: work on the hope and prey and hope. Everyone wants

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Speaker 5: to be part of the same team basis.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, while I've got you. What happened to the

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Speaker 2: me Than satellite?

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Speaker 5: Well at number one twenty nineteen it percent it was

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Speaker 5: signed up to that previous government. We've obviously inherited it.

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Speaker 5: I think what they say to me is that the

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Speaker 5: satellite just they lost contact with it. They've got a

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Speaker 5: lot of information off it before it disappeared, But I

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Speaker 5: haven't had any reports as to exactly what happened other

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Speaker 5: than the lost contact, and that does happen from time.

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Speaker 2: To Do you expect that they will give you a

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Speaker 2: report though, because we took the fairy it's absolutely yeah.

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Speaker 5: It's quite lot money. And you know, in twenty nineteen

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Speaker 5: previous government this was a big focus methane capture and things,

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Speaker 5: and of course nowadays it's mostly all about security. Oh

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Speaker 5: but look, so I have asked for a report on it,

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Speaker 5: and I will find out and once we've got it,

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Speaker 5: I'll let you all know, thank.

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Speaker 2: You, Judith. I appreciate it. Judith Collins, Minister for Space,

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know if you if you picked up

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Speaker 2: what Judith was putting down, but it was the previous

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Speaker 2: government and it was a methane satellite, So you know,

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Speaker 2: tough titties five to eleven together do for see? Ellen

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Speaker 2: highly anticipated report on homelessness has finally been released. The

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Speaker 2: report shows homelessness rose by thirty seven percent between twenty

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Speaker 2: eighteen and twenty twenty three. Previous government and anecdotally, city

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Speaker 2: councils are reporting that the numbers of rough sleepers have

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Speaker 2: increased in this current government's term. Social housing commentator Bernie

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Speaker 2: Bernie Smith is with me, now, hey, Bernie, Hi, is

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Speaker 2: this report the slam dunk that it's being reported as well?

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Speaker 17: I certainly think that the present minister's not living in

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Speaker 17: reality by saying that the information that's coming through from

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Speaker 17: various ngngas is anti data. I mean, it's it's factual

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Speaker 17: information that nesd M hand have provided it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but it is it is anecdotal, isn't it? Because

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Speaker 2: it's counsels who are saying yep, and the numbers are

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Speaker 2: quite big Bernie. I mean they're saying, you know, in

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Speaker 2: Auckland's homelessness has gone up I think seventy three percent

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Speaker 2: in some places two hundred and something percent. It's like

782
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Speaker 2: massive increases. But it is still anecdotal, isn't it? And

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Speaker 2: does that count as much as actually going around and

784
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Speaker 2: counting in the senses.

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Speaker 17: Well, I don't think even the census was accurate enough

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Speaker 17: on homelessness. So either because many of the homeless people

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Speaker 17: were not contactible or weren't interested in throwing in the

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Speaker 17: sensors because there couldn't see any relevance to their homelessness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's also it's how to get a letter

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Speaker 2: delivered to someone who doesn't live in.

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Speaker 6: A house, right exactly?

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Speaker 2: Can we blame it on the emergency accommodation being unwhound?

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Speaker 17: I think we have to lay some of the blames

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Speaker 17: at that, because you don't get rid of or shut

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Speaker 17: down all the motels and then claim that said no

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Speaker 17: impact on the increasing numbers of homelessness. Fair point, But

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Speaker 17: we have a cost of living crisis and a number

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Speaker 17: of other things going on. A rental increases substantially, so

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Speaker 17: we've got people that once were comfortable even though they

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Speaker 17: were just surviving. Yeah, now falling into homelessness and to crisis.

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Speaker 2: Bernie, thank you, look after yourself Bernie Smith's social housing

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Speaker 2: commentator Pumacy of the Monte Cecilia Housing Trust. Yes, I

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Speaker 2: did almost say Bernie Sanders too. In my defense. That's

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Speaker 2: what was written in my thing, because we've got a

805
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Speaker 2: thing that you know, I've got a thing that I

806
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Speaker 2: read where it has a little introduction and then my

807
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Speaker 2: questions that I've put in, and Laura of the German

808
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Speaker 2: it's her fault because she wrote social housing commentator Bernie

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Speaker 2: Sanders is with me, and because I'm like Ron Burgundy

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Speaker 2: from an command. Its just what has written comes out

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Speaker 2: of my mouth. So that's what happened there, So you

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Speaker 2: weren't imagining it. He has been elevated to Bernie Sanders

813
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Speaker 2: status anyway. Moving on, looks like the jury has reached

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Speaker 2: a verdict in the Candala murder case. Now this is

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Speaker 2: her she's accused of bashing her elderly mother for the money.

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Speaker 2: It's being reported that the jury has reached a verdict.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't, you know, because if you go to court,

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Speaker 2: you know how it works. You get a little heads

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Speaker 2: as soon as we know what they say, and we

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Speaker 2: Guilty coming back to that in a tick. Guilty though

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Speaker 2: eighteen past five now staying in Wellington. There is a

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Speaker 2: in Wellington and nobody knows how it got there now.

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Speaker 2: Phillips Simmons was killed in nineteen thirty one when she

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Speaker 2: was seventeen and pregnant. Her boyfriend killed her and she

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Speaker 2: top Taught is a Wellington historian and with me now,

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Speaker 2: Hi Garble.

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Speaker 14: Hello, good evening, love you to be with you.

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Speaker 2: It's great to chat to you. Does she have living family?

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Speaker 2: Does she.

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Speaker 14: Over in Australia. She obviously left no descendants because she

871
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 14: died at the age it was murdered at the age

872
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 14: of seventeen. But she did have siblings and over the

873
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 14: years they slowly migrated over to Australia where they remain today.

874
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: Who would have done this if her family doesn't know

875
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: that it has nothing to do with it.

876
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 14: It's really really interesting. I mean, the fact that her

877
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 14: grave has been unmarked has been remarked upon over the years.

878
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 14: I do know that the Friends of the Corroori Cemetery,

879
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 14: a group that got going about five or six years ago.

880
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 14: We're actively engaging with Phyllis Simmons's family over in Australia

881
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 14: and they were working towards getting it, getting a gravestone

882
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 14: of some type put on the grave with the permission.

883
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 14: But this isn't it. This had no buy in from them,

884
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 14: and so how it's kind of appeared is a little

885
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 14: bit of a mystery.

886
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: It's kind of nice, though, don't you think that these

887
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: kinds of historical injustices have been repaired?

888
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 18: Don't you think.

889
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 14: It is quite nice? But look, you really can't go

890
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 14: putting graves on other people's gravestones, on other people's graves

891
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 14: without their permission. You know, no permit was issue. Family

892
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 14: can see, you know, so going through the family, going

893
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 14: through the proper channels that sort of would have been,

894
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 14: that would would have been. It is a bit of

895
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 14: a no no. I mean. The thing is is that

896
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 14: if you've ever gone through Coroori semetry, you will see hundreds,

897
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 14: if not thousands of unmarked graves everywhere where. You see

898
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 14: an empty plot of grass and you think, oh, that

899
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 14: looks like a lovely plot. I wonder if that's still available.

900
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 14: It's a nice spot I'd like to be buried there. No,

901
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 14: there's someone under there. The cemetery is completely full, but

902
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 14: back in those days it was really expensive. The graves,

903
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 14: some of you may be familiar with them. They are

904
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 14: full length masonry, concrete graves. They were expensive items and

905
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 14: when you put in the include the engravings as well

906
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 14: as the grave headstone, they were really expensive. Now, for

907
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 14: the Simmons came from a very humble background. They weren't wealthy,

908
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 14: very working class. They just really didn't have the kind

909
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 14: of money that was needed, and neither did hundreds of

910
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 14: other families that are buried there in Coarori Semetry.

911
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: Garble, it's good to talk to you, Thank you, mate, Garble,

912
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: taught Wellington historian. This is the woman apparently for whom

913
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: we honk in the Mount Vic Tunnel, which is also

914
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: apparently not true. All dullen, Okay, let's talk about the

915
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: wardrobe and the Candala murder. Now I have when I

916
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: was doing Mike's show last last week or the week before,

917
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: I hinted at it, but I couldn't tell you everything

918
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: because the court case was still ongoing. But this is

919
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: a thing. You need to google. This. When this old

920
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 2: mate who's just got found guilty of murdering her mother,

921
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: when she first appeared in court, the first photographic you

922
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: can find is her in an orange outfit that I

923
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: swear to God looks like an orange jumpsuit. Like it

924
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 2: was such a bad look and she has sort of

925
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: an untidy hairdo and blah blah blah. Quite a make

926
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: over happened between that appearance and the trial. Nick minute,

927
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: you see her in trial and she has she is

928
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: looking flippin' awesome, Like the glow up is the business.

929
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: She's got straight hair, red lippy, beautiful mayup, olive green jacket,

930
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: cream blouse underneath. Go and google how to curate and

931
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: I'm Innocent courtroom wardrobe according to Gwyneth. Now you will

932
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: see that Gwyneth Paltrow when she appeared in her Ski

933
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: trial was wearing I Am not lying to you, basically

934
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: exactly the same jacket and the color combo was like,

935
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: it's like a ripoff of Gwyneth's look. But what is

936
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: quite unnerving is how do you get Gwyneth's look when

937
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: you are how do you glow up to Gwyneth's look?

938
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: Did you google how to look Innocent in Court? And

939
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: then find the article that is in Vogue UK called

940
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: how to curate and I'm Innocent courtroom wardrobe? According to Gwyneth.

941
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna leave that there for you to think about.

942
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: Five twenty three.

943
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive

944
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: with One New Zealand let's get connected news talk.

945
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 19: Sa'd be by the way.

946
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: Obviously Gwinnes's wardrobe didn't work, did it? Because Guilty five

947
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: twenty five. So Oli Peters in our Australia correspondent, was

948
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: on the show this weekend and he was talking to

949
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: us about the ongoing fallout of the male childcare worker

950
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: in Victoria who's been busted in the childcare centers for

951
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: sexually abusing kids, and Ollie, father to two little kids,

952
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: admitted this, look.

953
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 20: I'll say this is a blokeheader. I wouldn't want my

954
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 20: three year old being looked after a bloke in a

955
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 20: childcare center.

956
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 14: I just actually think.

957
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: It's to be odd.

958
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 20: And then he said this, I just don't get why

959
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 20: a man would actually want to go into a childcare

960
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 20: center in terms of that that's a job that they

961
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 20: want to do.

962
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 19: Now.

963
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this myself a lot lately, especially

964
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: since the story broken the last couple of weeks, because

965
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: as a mum of two little kids, you know, I

966
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: am particularly interested in it. I don't agree with Ollie

967
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 2: at all really that it's weird that men want to

968
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: work in early childhood care. Men are dads. Some men

969
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: love being around kids. They just genuinely and enjoy kids.

970
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: I don't think it's weird at all that they might

971
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 2: want to make that their vocation. But I am sad

972
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: to say that I do agree with Olli that it

973
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: would be uncomfortable for me having my kids looked after

974
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: by a male childcare worker unless there were lots of

975
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: women around to kind of keep an eye on things.

976
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 2: And it makes me really sad to say that because

977
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: men are not inherently bad. Men are not bad, right,

978
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: Most men are good and trustworthy, and it is unfair

979
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: that they're being tired with the same brush as this

980
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: particular creep. But while most men aren't creeps, most creeps

981
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: are men.

982
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 7: Right.

983
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: We know that so men carry a higher risk. And

984
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: you can put any number of rules and regulations and

985
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: vetting processes in, but you do not catch all bad people.

986
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 2: Case in point, this creep in Melbourne somehow managed to

987
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: evade all of the vetting. You know, you can't even

988
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: catch all the bad women. There are plenty of bad

989
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: women who somehow get into childcare work and end up

990
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: smacking all neglecting kids or whatever. But when it comes

991
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: to the crimes that we are talking about that happened

992
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: in Victoria, they are so serious and they are so

993
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: damaging that I am sure that many parents will feel

994
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 2: it is not worth taking the risk with a man. Yep,

995
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: the vast majority, vast majority, vast majority of men men

996
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: no harm to kids at all. But because a very

997
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: very very tiny number do, it raises the risk profile

998
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: of all men, doesn't it. As I say, I am

999
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: sad to say that, because I'd like to think of

1000
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: myself as giving everyone a fair chance. But if we

1001
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 2: are honest with ourselves and setting aside, you know, wanting

1002
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: to feel good about ourselves, we're honest with ourselves. Men

1003
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: like this creep in Victoria ruin it for all men,

1004
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 2: don't they ever?

1005
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 3: Duplicy Ellens con.

1006
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 2: Federated Farmers is angry with green Peace. Greenpiece has had

1007
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: to crack at the trout in Gore. It's not on

1008
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 2: the trout is you can touch anything, you can touch

1009
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: the sign don't touch the trout. Not happy about it.

1010
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 2: They want the charitable status stripped of Greenpeace for touching

1011
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: the trout. So we're going to talk to them next

1012
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: about that. And then the huddle.

1013
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 5: Whose talks they do.

1014
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1015
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: drive home it's hither duplicity Ellen drive with one New

1016
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

1017
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 3: They'd be.

1018
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that means if you're insuring yourself with tower towers,

1019
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 2: not going to offer the multi policy discounting them. Well,

1020
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 2: you know the one where if you've got the house insurance,

1021
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: car insurance, contents insurance, batch insurance, all the insurance, then

1022
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: they give you like a discount of twenty percent or something.

1023
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: They're not doing it anymore. They're the latest insurance company

1024
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: not to do it. Bodo Lang is going to talk

1025
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: us through that after six o'clock. We've got the huddle

1026
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 2: standing by, and I need to tell you what happened

1027
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: with you remember that the Indian Panthers in the National

1028
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: Basketball League. It is an amazing story what went wrong there?

1029
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: So I'll rang you through the details. Shortly twenty four

1030
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: away from six now, the fight between Federated Farmers and

1031
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: green Peace has stepped up a notch. Fed Farmers is

1032
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 2: calling for green Peace to be stripped of its charitable

1033
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 2: status immediately because last night in Gore, someone in green

1034
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: Peace put crosses over the eyes of the trout and

1035
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: then put up a sign underneath a Gore town sign

1036
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: that said where dirty dairy wrecked the water. Jason Herrick

1037
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: is the Southland president of Federated Farmers and with us.

1038
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: Hello Jason, Hello.

1039
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 21: Heather, nice to be here next for reviting me.

1040
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: It's not that bad in terms of a protest, though,

1041
00:50:59,200 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: is it.

1042
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 6: Oh? Hey?

1043
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 21: Look, I mean it's spreading misinformation for a start, and

1044
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 21: from a charitable organization you kind of expect a bit

1045
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 21: better because there is no direct link to dairy farmers

1046
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 21: for the nitrate levels and gore. And to be honest,

1047
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 21: I'd like to see green pieces proof.

1048
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: Where does it come from?

1049
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 19: On there?

1050
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 21: Where does it come from? Nobody knows in the point

1051
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 21: of source. I'm not a scientist, I'm not a specialist

1052
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 21: in that field. But for what the regional Council have

1053
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 21: told us, they don't know where the point of source

1054
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 21: is coming from, and they're working hard to try and

1055
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 21: locate it.

1056
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 2: But have they said have they said categorically it's not

1057
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: dairy farming?

1058
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 6: Oh?

1059
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 21: Absolutely, they have that said they don't know where it's

1060
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 21: come from. They can't point the source, so therefore they

1061
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 21: can't lay blame on anybody.

1062
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: Okay in terms of I mean in terms of protesting,

1063
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: though we have seen far worse, haven't we. Like I

1064
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: actually want to give some credit to green Peace here

1065
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 2: that what they did was easily removable, don't you think,

1066
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 2: because the other lot, the hand bluer is they just

1067
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 2: spray paint everything and you have to wash it off.

1068
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 21: I agreed, But on the on the other sense, it's

1069
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 21: it's good that it come off without any destruction of

1070
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 21: private property. Like Seriously, they were using cherry pickers and

1071
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 21: so forth in the in the dark of the night,

1072
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 21: you know, not during daylight. And to be honest, they

1073
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 21: had a lot of house and safety implications. But what

1074
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 21: they what they were doing, what they were doing variously,

1075
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 21: Oh yes and no. But at the end of the day,

1076
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 21: what they were doing, it had the potential to destroy,

1077
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 21: you know, a pretty important monument and a gore. You know,

1078
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 21: it's an identification and to go.

1079
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: But the thing is you have history with their mate.

1080
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 2: They're just getting on your tips anyway, aren't they.

1081
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 21: Like Seriously, anybody who's a charitable organization should be behaving

1082
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 21: a damn sight better than green Peace are, to be honest,

1083
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 21: and and you know taxpayers are actually funding that because

1084
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 21: they do claim back on a lot of that, so

1085
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Speaker 21: on all funds given to them, if you know what

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Speaker 21: I mean. So they need to behave better than what

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Speaker 21: they are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, Jason, listen, I appreciate your time. Enjoy yourself.

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Speaker 2: That's Jason Herrick's Southland President of Federated Farmers The.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes, Uniquely for.

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Speaker 2: You, Jack Time, host of Q and A Saturday Mornings

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Speaker 2: on ZB and David Farreh of Kiwi Blog with US

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Speaker 2: High Lads. Okay, Jack, can we confirm that Nikola Willis's

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Speaker 2: button meeting with Miles Hurrell was entirely pointless?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 19: Well, look, look, the proof of the pudding is in

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Speaker 19: the eating or the churning in this case. So I'm

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Speaker 19: still hoping, holding out a hope that maybe Fonterra will

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Speaker 19: come out and find some elegant little pr solution when they'

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Speaker 19: say great news for Kiwi consumers. Finally, we've been talking,

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Speaker 19: we've been talking about this two track economy for so long.

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Speaker 19: We've been wondering where the impact of the of boom

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Speaker 19: times in the ag sector are going to be filter jack.

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Speaker 2: Stop it stop, stop stop stop. Let's just deal with

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Speaker 2: what you just said. Okay, so you think that there

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Speaker 2: is a chance that Federated Farmers fixes the price for nicola.

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Speaker 2: The only way that they can fix the butter price

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Speaker 2: for Niccola is if they drop it. And the only

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Speaker 2: way that they can drop it is if somebody else

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Speaker 2: wears that price, which is the shareholders. They can't do that.

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Speaker 19: I think I think they might come up with an

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Speaker 19: elegant pr solution like what. You've spent enough time in

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Speaker 19: this business to know that that sometimes, well a lot

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Speaker 19: of the time, spinning takes the place of meaningful change,

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Speaker 19: and I think that's the likeliest scenarios.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think, David?

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Speaker 6: I think it was entirely pointless economically, because the price

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Speaker 6: of butter and international commodities is set by what demand

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Speaker 6: there is amongst billions of people and what supply there is,

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Speaker 6: and we don't like it, but that's reality. Politically, of course,

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Speaker 6: it's not pointless. It's to say, I care, I'm talking

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Speaker 6: to him. I'm kind of doing about is putting some

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Speaker 6: pressure on Fonterra, but his jack pays unless they take

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Speaker 6: a lot, they're unlikely to do anything. Now, sometimes you

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Speaker 6: can just to fight taking him over a school if

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Speaker 6: you think your reputational damage you've got to be so bad.

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Speaker 6: So that might be something that goes in the mix there.

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Speaker 6: And really what it will come back down to is

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Speaker 6: how big is the new Zella market compared to the class?

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Speaker 2: Okay, David, do you think because I think you make

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Speaker 2: a fair point that Nicola might have done it to

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Speaker 2: kind of, you know, look empathetic, But was it worth

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Speaker 2: it for looking stupid? Because that is the payoff here

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Speaker 2: is that Nicola called mileson and said I need I

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Speaker 2: need to understand how this works, and everybody said, well,

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Speaker 2: we can tell you how it works because it's really

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Speaker 2: bloody obvious. And it just kind of like the performance

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Speaker 2: was too obvious, don't you think, David, I don't know

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Speaker 2: that there's I don't I don't think any of this

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Speaker 2: is worse.

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Speaker 6: It's probably unfortunate Nicola spent seven years working for fun

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Speaker 6: Terror because normally that would work a lot there. No,

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Speaker 6: she was involved in pricing for such a sector. But

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Speaker 6: it does allow people to sort of think you might

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Speaker 6: actually just have some idea, you know, I basically just

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Speaker 6: explained that global toply and demand. Yet but having said that,

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Speaker 6: the average person, people who read start every minute of

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Speaker 6: the day and listen to you NonStop, probably do get

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Speaker 6: about the circle. But the average personal just to think, oh,

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Speaker 6: the minister's trying to put some pressure on there on

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Speaker 6: our side. You people aren't there into them. A new

1152
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 6: tie is about the knuckle the end of the day.

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Speaker 6: If it works, and then it works, if it doesn't work,

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Speaker 6: You're probably not going to have lost anything by having

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Speaker 6: the meeting, are you.

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Speaker 2: I disagree with David on that, Jack, because I think

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Speaker 2: what Nicola is losing is respect from commentators and losing

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Speaker 2: respect from commentators for performance politics only takes a little

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Speaker 2: bit of time before that then feeds through in negative

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Speaker 2: columns and commentary to the part.

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Speaker 19: What's the alternative though, like that she does does absolutely

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Speaker 19: nothing like if she's weighing up losing a bit of

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Speaker 19: respect with commentators and losing a bit of respect with

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Speaker 19: Joe Public who didn't know that she worked for Fontier

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Speaker 19: for seven years and probably doesn't need to sit down

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Speaker 19: at the table with Miles Harrell with him saying, so

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Speaker 19: you start off with a cow, it's got four stomach,

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Speaker 19: take you take him into a big paddy with lots

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Speaker 19: of grass. I mean yeah, I just think in the

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Speaker 19: scheme of things, you know, it's probably relatively elegant politics,

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Speaker 19: and I can relative.

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Speaker 6: I think us as a class probably over rate impact

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Speaker 6: on people who get zero support from commentators but has

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Speaker 6: been quite successful not their home. Comparing Nicola to Donald

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Speaker 6: just to be and let us not forget that that.

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Speaker 19: Dare I suggest that that these good day prices, you know,

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Speaker 19: expensive buster for us generally means good dairy prices for

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Speaker 19: dairy producers, and like need to point out again we've

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Speaker 19: got a two track economy and arguably agriculture is holding

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Speaker 19: this country together at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Listen, is this was this homelessness report that came out

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Speaker 2: today exactly that everything that you were expecting when you

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Speaker 2: were having a track at Tama Pawtucker.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, I mean well, he finally said in an

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Speaker 19: interview to me that this report would show that homelessness

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Speaker 19: numbers were up and that a lot of the frontline

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Speaker 19: providers were saying that at least government policy was partially

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Speaker 19: to blame. I think what is clear from this report

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Speaker 19: is that there's a whole heap of things that's contributing

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Speaker 19: to an increase in reported homeless numbers at the moment.

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Speaker 19: But it is interesting because the government's been incredibly successful

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Speaker 19: in getting those emergency housing numbers down right the total.

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Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say to you is this stuff

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Speaker 2: is anecdotal, right. I was looking for some firm numbers,

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Speaker 2: and the best that we've got, as city councils are

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Speaker 2: reporting or kind of reporting that they're seeing an increase,

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a slam dunk.

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Speaker 19: Well, well, the problem for like Tama Portucker's previously said,

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Speaker 19: I think that like the census, is the only way

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Speaker 19: that you get absolutely firmed up numbers. I mean you

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Speaker 19: can go to different city councils and they do different

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Speaker 19: counts at different times. So I think the Hamilton City

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Speaker 19: Council is about to do their Aucklam City Council did

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Speaker 19: their last count just before Christmas, and you know that

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Speaker 19: they recorded this really significant uptick. Thint, the government changed

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Speaker 19: some of its emergency housing policy. Like I say, I mean,

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Speaker 19: if you if you can't link it singly to emergency

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Speaker 19: housing because they've done things like you know, they prioritize

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Speaker 19: families to the top of the social housing list, which

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Speaker 19: I think all of us would agree makes absolute total sense.

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Speaker 19: But also they have toughened up the criteria for emergency housing,

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Speaker 19: so if you are judged to have contributed to your situation,

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Speaker 19: then you can be declosed.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to break. Let's go to break, David, I

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Speaker 2: want to hear what you think caught.

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Speaker 22: To to.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand southebyst International Realty the ones

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Speaker 1: for unmasked results.

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Speaker 2: Back with the Huddle, Jack Tame, David Pharaoh, Right, David,

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Speaker 2: what do you make of the homelessness report?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think you have be very careful about even

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Speaker 6: the sense to start, because when you read about a

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Speaker 6: number of people homeless, you and I probably would think

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Speaker 6: that's people living literally on the street, yes, or living

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Speaker 6: in carts. But actually the census data ninety percent of

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Speaker 6: those called homeless and just what you call a transitional

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Speaker 6: thing where they might be it's been at a cousin's

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Speaker 6: face for a few weeks, et cetera, crash your friends,

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Speaker 6: don't get me wrong, not ideal, but not homeless. You're

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Speaker 6: living in a home, it's secure, it's warm, at safe,

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Speaker 6: so I think, yeah, it's very careful with any of

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Speaker 6: the start that comes out at the end of the day.

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Speaker 6: There are very good community providers like Downtown sahe Ministry,

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Speaker 6: Organs Emissions who are not at capacity, as in they

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Speaker 6: go around and everyone who's on the streets knows they

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Speaker 6: can go there if they want to. Unfortunately, you've got

1237
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Speaker 6: really tough mental health, drag issues, etc. Where not everyone

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Speaker 6: takes them up. So yeah, what we need to do

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Speaker 6: is support those providers, but also understand that, Yeah, it's

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Speaker 6: not just a matter of available reversion, it's a far

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Speaker 6: more complicated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that, Jack. How do you

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Speaker 2: feel about what Oli Peterson said about He thinks it's

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Speaker 2: weird that men work in childcare and he would not

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Speaker 2: want his three year old looked after by a man.

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Speaker 18: Uh.

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Speaker 19: Well, I wouldn't have a problem with my children being

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Speaker 19: looked after by a man. What I would have a

1249
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Speaker 19: problem is my child being looked after in any environment.

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Speaker 19: We're like teachers of any gender were one on one

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Speaker 19: with them in a kind of private space. You know,

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Speaker 19: I would find that a bit weird.

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Speaker 18: And I think.

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Speaker 19: No, no, I think I mean in like in a

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Speaker 19: public childcare.

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Speaker 2: What's the difference because nanny I mean.

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Speaker 19: It's ultimately it is ultimately a judgment call, like you

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Speaker 19: need to Yeah, I suppose you have to have It's

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Speaker 19: a question of trust, right, But I think I think

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Speaker 19: providing an environment in those public spaces where you don't

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Speaker 19: have the chance to get to know educators as well

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Speaker 19: as you might with a nanny or an O pea

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Speaker 19: or something like that, and I think, yeah, just making

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Speaker 19: sure that it was a space where educators aren't one

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Speaker 19: on one privately with children I think would be important.

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Speaker 19: But yeah, I have no problem with the guy. Honestly though,

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Speaker 19: I just I'm full of admiration because I just if

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Speaker 19: I am babysitting a toddler for more than about twenty minutes,

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Speaker 19: I am exhausted. I just can't. I cannot imagine a job.

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Speaker 2: Get third friend, you got it coming at you. You're

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Speaker 2: only about six months away from that, David, what do

1272
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Speaker 2: you think? How do you feel about it?

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Speaker 6: This angers me. I've actually bend a lot of time

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Speaker 6: on this sessue. We need more, Mayo, we see teachers.

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Speaker 6: That's all mean a pedophiles? Can we get passer? No?

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Speaker 2: No, that's not fair, David, Not all mean a pedophiles?

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Speaker 6: Why teachers the same reason woman to you love kids.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I agree time, but.

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Speaker 23: David ees with my kids there and you know what,

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Speaker 23: not having male teachers is bad. In fact, behind in

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Speaker 23: there is a male parent, the kids flop to you

1283
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 23: because they're actually looking for those male role models. But

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Speaker 23: here's also the unfortunate reality, and this is what makes

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Speaker 23: it so tough for all those teachers. Kids are very

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Speaker 23: effecture that come up, They on your lap, they want

1287
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 23: you to read books of them. And the entire time

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Speaker 23: if you're a guy, yes, at the back of your

1289
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Speaker 23: mind you're just like, make sure there's other parents around,

1290
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Speaker 23: you can see where are your hands? Where are the

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Speaker 23: is never totally relaxing. This is the reality unfortunately.

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Speaker 6: Ever since the Peter Las case, basically one's nonsense. So

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Speaker 6: I think anyone who takes their attitude about I don't

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Speaker 6: want a male there. I've been involved in scouting movement

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Speaker 6: that we need to speak. I've got to go, sure

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Speaker 6: does leave?

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thank you. I just felt that there

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Speaker 2: was another story coming and I thought, no, we haven't

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Speaker 2: got time for that. Thanks lads, appreciate it. David and

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Speaker 2: Jack Ohrdle The away from sex.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Heather, one of my best mates growing up, went off

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Speaker 2: the rails, has been living on the streets for twenty years.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen him for a long time, but last

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Speaker 2: time I spoke to him, he said he prefers it.

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Speaker 2: He had and still does have other options. You just

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Speaker 2: can't help everyone, which is actually if there is look,

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Speaker 2: we all need to you know, we will want to

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Speaker 2: help everybody. But there are definitely some people. It's a

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Speaker 2: very small group, but there are some people who do

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Speaker 2: just not want to be in a house like they

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Speaker 2: want to this is this is their this is this

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Speaker 2: is their place is to be out. There's there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of mental health issues and stuff like that. But also, look,

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Speaker 2: I am not averse to the idea that rather than

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Speaker 2: looking to the state, as in you and I to

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Speaker 2: pay the bill for the motel. You know, when you're

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Speaker 2: in trouble, you go I need some help. Can the

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Speaker 2: government give me help? I think rather than turning to

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Speaker 2: the government in the first instance, I would like us

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Speaker 2: to maybe ask people to turn to their friends and

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Speaker 2: family and you know, their people first go to your cousin,

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Speaker 2: go to your auntie, go to your mum, go to

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Speaker 2: your sister, go to whoever. Go and get help from

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Speaker 2: them first before the state steps. And it should be

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Speaker 2: a last resort because, man, I'll tell you what I

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Speaker 2: know at least two people who've ended up in this

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Speaker 2: kind of a housing situation and they have brothers and

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Speaker 2: sisters who are millionaires. And when I say millionaires, I

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Speaker 2: don't just mean millionaires because you've got like an Auckland house,

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Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? I mean, like a

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Speaker 2: proper ball a millionaire and yet you're still living in

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Speaker 2: taxpayer provided accommodation. So anyway, that's just my thoughts on there.

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Speaker 2: Oh listen, yeah, okay, I'm going to tell you about

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Speaker 2: the Indian panthers. I've got to tell you about them

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Speaker 2: at some stage because that's a mind blowing down. But

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Speaker 2: can I just draw your attention to something really quickly? Well,

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Speaker 2: I've got a minute. We'll deal with that later. Should

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Speaker 2: the drummer have whacked the footballer on the head is

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Speaker 2: the question that you will have at the end of

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Speaker 2: reading the Herald story today. So what's happened? Is there

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Speaker 2: a bunch of female football players this is now in

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Speaker 2: the papers. Bunch of female football players went out for

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Speaker 2: a night on the town a couple of weekends ago

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Speaker 2: to celebrate a win, and they ended up at Danny

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Speaker 2: Duol as you do. And when you've ended up at

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Speaker 2: Danny Dulan's, you know you're well into evening at this

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Speaker 2: stage down at the viaduct in Auckland. So they've ended

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Speaker 2: up at Danny Dulan's for a sing along and the

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Speaker 2: band is playing Tikitan is always on My Mind, and

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Speaker 2: the girls are having a great time, and one of

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Speaker 2: them is a little bit boozed and she touches the

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Speaker 2: drum cat. It's hard to see, but she's she looks

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Speaker 2: like it psh on the symbol, and the drummer just

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Speaker 2: gets up off his seat whacks her right on the

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Speaker 2: head with his drumstick. And it is so hard that

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Speaker 2: over the noise of always on my cook dunk, you

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Speaker 2: hear this gore dunk on my head. I shouldn't laugh.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't laugh. I withdraw it, apologize my laugh. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: here's the thing, though she admits that she was asking

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Speaker 2: for it. She says she had been tapping on the

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Speaker 2: drummer's kit at the break and during the live performance,

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Speaker 2: and was asked to stop doing so, and soon after

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Speaker 2: that the musician reacted by striking her with a drumstick.

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Speaker 2: So should she have been smacked on the head, Yes,

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Speaker 2: of course she should. Technically no, technically that's assault and

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Speaker 2: that's illegal. But in the real world, girl, he told

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Speaker 2: you not to touch the drums, so you can go

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Speaker 2: look at that if you want to. News Talks dB.

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Speaker 3: Keeping track of where the money is flowing. The business hour.

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Speaker 1: With Hander due for cel Ands for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions.

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Speaker 2: News Talks Heed B Evening coming up to the next hour,

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Speaker 2: Milford Asset Management on the possible sale of the Fletcher

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Speaker 2: Construction business, Genative trainee on the latest Adrian Or revelations,

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Speaker 2: and Gavin Gray is with us out of the UK

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Speaker 2: now it's seven past six. Tower Insurance is getting rid

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Speaker 2: of the old multi policy discounts. This is the discount

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Speaker 2: that you get on your premiums if you have some

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Speaker 2: combo of your house and your car and your contents

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Speaker 2: or other different kinds of insurance all with the same company.

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Speaker 2: Tower and other insurers have been fined in the past

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Speaker 2: for failing to apply the discount correctly. And Tower's CEO says,

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Speaker 2: there's now an unacceptable risk it might happen again if

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Speaker 2: they keep it, so they're getting rid of it. Bodo

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Speaker 2: Lang is a marketing professor at Massi University. Evening, Bodo, Good, Evening.

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Speaker 2: I struggle to believe that the risk is so high.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Well.

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Speaker 7: It does seem surprising that this error occurs in the

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Speaker 7: first place, But if you look at the customer numbers,

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Speaker 7: you know, they've got hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of

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Speaker 7: customers and you only need a small number. You know,

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Speaker 7: in the numbers I've seen, it's literally zero point zero

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Speaker 7: one percent, and that's enough customers for the Commerce Commission

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Speaker 7: to swing interaction. And that obviously is a huge risk

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Speaker 7: for these large insurers.

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Speaker 2: But how would it even happen? I mean, would it

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Speaker 2: be a case that Bodo has taken out all this

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Speaker 2: insurance but they haven't linked all of Bodo's different insurances

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Speaker 2: together in order to realize that he deserves a discount.

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Speaker 2: Is that how it happens?

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Speaker 7: I think that's what it is. And I think what

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Speaker 7: these large insurers really struggle with is that they have

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Speaker 7: often legacy systems that don't talk to each other, so

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Speaker 7: they might have different divisions. They might have bought a

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Speaker 7: life insurance division is on a different system, And so

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Speaker 7: these systems often don't talk very well to each other.

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Speaker 7: And it's not just a system but also a process issue.

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Speaker 7: If you and me opened an insurance company, we would

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Speaker 7: probably start from the ground up with some integrated, clever system.

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Speaker 7: But that's not how these companies started off with. So

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Speaker 7: they've got old systems that don't really speak to each

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Speaker 7: other and processes that probably don't allow cross checking. And

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Speaker 7: the numbers of customers are so vast that there is

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Speaker 7: I think a real risk of more customers being affected.

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Speaker 2: Is this a case, Bodo of an unintended consequence of

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Speaker 2: going after them for breaking a rule like the commis

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Speaker 2: commission quite rightly sees a rule has been broken and

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Speaker 2: punishes them, But then the unintended consequences that we all

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Speaker 2: pay more for insurance.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there is a real risk of this.

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Speaker 7: I'm trying to see the silver lining in the story

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Speaker 7: and the obvious. The first result is obviously that this

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Speaker 7: multi policy discount will disappear, which is negative. But you know,

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Speaker 7: the silver lining I think for consumers is that this

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Speaker 7: will actually make the insurance sector more transparent, so it's

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Speaker 7: easier to compare single policies and switching insurance policies. Is

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Speaker 7: that difficult if you put a little bit a little

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Speaker 7: bit of time behind it, you know, you can sometimes

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Speaker 7: say shumongus amount of money. So yes, it is none

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Speaker 7: in the consequence that this discount will disappear. But I

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Speaker 7: think Tower will be in a position where they will

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Speaker 7: really have to look at their policy the premiums basically

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Speaker 7: because they are scoring below average on customer satisfaction. I

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Speaker 7: think they're at real risk of losing customers when this

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Speaker 7: multipolsa discount disappears, So they would do really well to

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Speaker 7: sharpen their pencils.

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Speaker 2: But do you have any opinion on the price of butter,

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Speaker 2: because I know you're a man who is across all

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Speaker 2: of these things right now. Have you looked at the

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Speaker 2: situation with the butter meeting with Nichola Willis and Miles

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Speaker 2: Harrell and thought, how on earth Nichola can get out

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Speaker 2: of this site with you know, saving face.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I haven't looked into it. I've been overseased for

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Speaker 7: a while. But I think my basic sense is that

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Speaker 7: you know, at one point we used to have the

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Speaker 7: will the ninth largest dairy producer in the world in

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Speaker 7: this country, I e. Fonterra, and I'm always kind of

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Speaker 7: kind of gobsmacked why dairy products are so incredibly expensive

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Speaker 7: when you compare them with prices overseas. I do realize

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Speaker 7: that in the EU many of the dairy products are

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Speaker 7: subsidized through taxes, obviously, and so it's not fair to

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Speaker 7: just compare the retail price, because actually sometimes the real

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Speaker 7: retail price in Europe is artificially lower through subsidies. But

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Speaker 7: it does strike me as odd that we're paying so much.

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Speaker 7: And I think the rationale of saying, well, this is

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Speaker 7: what we can get on the export market, he doesn't

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Speaker 7: wash well because there's obviously other costs involved in getting

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Speaker 7: products to the export market, which we don't incur when

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Speaker 7: we sell domestically.

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Speaker 2: All right, Boda, thanks very much, Bodo Lang, marketing professor

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Speaker 2: at Massi University. There's a solution. How about we do

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Speaker 2: what they do in the EU and we subsidize the

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Speaker 2: price of butter. So if we all just pay a

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Speaker 2: little bit more tax, then the butter will come down

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Speaker 2: in price. You like the idea of that. Now, neither

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Speaker 2: twelve past six.

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Speaker 3: Ever, Duperyl, we have an.

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Speaker 2: Update on Adrian Or. So if you caught our interview

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Speaker 2: with Neil Quickly from waycutul University yesterday, who's obviously also

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Speaker 2: the chair of the Reserve Bank, you will already be

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Speaker 2: aware that there are more allegations against Adrian Or. Whistleblower

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Speaker 2: has gone to Michael Riddell, who's published it. Adrian Or

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Speaker 2: quit because he swore in a meeting with Treasury, swore

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Speaker 2: in a meeting with the Finance Minister, and then his boss,

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Speaker 2: Neil sends him an email outlining specific allegations about his behavior,

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Speaker 2: and they're not long thereafter he quits in a personal decision. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Treasury has today confirmed that yes, concerns were raised. It's

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Speaker 2: confirmed that Treasury did in fact meet with Adrian Or.

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Speaker 2: It hasn't said that there was swearing in that meeting. Necessarily,

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Speaker 2: I haven't said anything about that, but they said, yes,

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Speaker 2: we did meet with Adrian Or. And after that meeting

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Speaker 2: with Adrian Or, Neil Quickly, Adrian's boss emailed a Treasury

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Speaker 2: staffer about Adrian's behavior and it sounds like whatever was

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Speaker 2: in that email, you know, I mean, you can if

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Speaker 2: you've been aware of him. If you've read about employment dispute,

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Speaker 2: has been an employment dispute. Seeing somebody you know misbehaving

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Speaker 2: in a situation, you can understand how it works when

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Speaker 2: the boss of the bad the person who's apparently behaved badly,

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Speaker 2: then emails the other party, maybe to find out what happened.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, just just joining some dots here. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: that email, whatever it contains, could possibly be released by

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Speaker 2: Treasury soon because if there is a gag order as

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Speaker 2: has been reported, obviously, the gag order would only include

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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank and may be the Minister of Finance,

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Speaker 2: but probably not Treasury. So there's your weakest link. Thirteen

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Speaker 2: plus six.

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Speaker 3: It's the Heather.

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Speaker 1: Duper Seel and Drive Full Show podcast on my Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio powered by news dog Zebbie.

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Speaker 2: We'll do it a We overthink the big things, job security,

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Speaker 2: mortgage rates, that lump in our neck, and then we

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Speaker 2: overthink the little things as well. What night has Bin's night?

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Speaker 2: Why has cheese become a luxury item? Or butter? But

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Speaker 2: as a member of MAZ, the New Zealand Grown member

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Speaker 2: the government should drop fuel levies for milk solids and

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Speaker 2: that will level the international market price for butter and

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Speaker 2: for cheese. Seventeen past six and with me now is

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Speaker 2: Andrew Curtain Milford Asset Management.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Andrew even in Heather.

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Speaker 2: So what do you make of that update yesterday from

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Speaker 2: Fletcher Building on the potential sale of the construction division.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, it didn't come as a complete surprise because they

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01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 18: had an invest a day about a month ago where

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Speaker 18: they allocated this division, which is construction division including Brian Perry,

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01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 18: Sivil and Higgins, and they allocated that has been a

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01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 18: non core division, so basically saying it's not strategically important

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01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 18: to the future of the business, which is essentially a

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01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,759
Speaker 18: signal to the market saying, look, we may be willing

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01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 18: to sell this business. I guess what maybe is a

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01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 18: little bit surprising is only a month later that've come

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 18: out instead, we're now launching a formal process. So it

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01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 18: sounds like they've had some expressions of interest coming from

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01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,759
Speaker 18: some external buyers. Postlets that are update a month ago,

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01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,879
Speaker 18: which maybe is a little bit earlier than people were expecting.

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01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 18: This division is sort of recovering from a lack of

1540
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 18: roading infrastructure spend over the last few years, so some

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01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 18: investors thought it might take a little bit longer for

1542
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 18: interest to build, but it seems like the forward looking

1543
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 18: expectation sort of or more roading expensure, but that seems

1544
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 18: sort of push forward by the national government has got

1545
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 18: interest in this division.

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01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 2: Share price reaction to it has been fairly mute, hasn't it.

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01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's a pretty it's a material but smallish vision.

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01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,799
Speaker 18: It's around about ten percent of the value of lectured

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01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 18: buildings so it's not huge, and it's sort of hard

1550
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 18: to put a number on things.

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01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 17: At the moment.

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01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 18: We don't have a formal bid and it's going to

1553
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 18: take many months for this process to run, and I

1554
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 18: think investors already going to look for a little bit

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01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 18: more color on what price the bids might come out

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01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 18: before they sort of make too many assumptions about share

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01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 18: price reaction.

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01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 2: Now on the international markets, you had the second quarter

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01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 2: results season which has kicked off in the US and Europe. Obviously,

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01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 2: is there anything that you're seeing worth calling out so far?

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01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 18: Yes, Results season is always important for the stock market direction,

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01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 18: and particularly at the moment with the share market at

1563
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 18: all time high is having rallied for about twenty five

1564
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 18: percent from the April lows, everyone's very focused to see

1565
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 18: what's going to become out on results, what's going to

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01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 18: be the news on sort of tariff impacts, early indications

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01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 18: and this is sort of before we have all the

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01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 18: super large mega companies reporting. But over the last week,

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01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 18: the indications have shown that the market has given just

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01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 18: enough kind of confidence and earnings and outlook to support

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Speaker 18: the market. The large banks such as Japenborgan City Bank,

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01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 18: Wells Fargo had decent results last week, pointed to an

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01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 18: economy that's relatively resilient, not too much weakness. One result

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01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 18: that was a little bit more negative was Netflix, which

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01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 18: is sort of a top twenty company in the US

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01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 18: stock market now had fantastic numbers, but the share price

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01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 18: sold off five percent, So that sort of indication that

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01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 18: the market's got pretty over at SKIS and needed sort

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01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 18: of super strong results to support the share price.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what are the key results to focus on

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01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,440
Speaker 2: over the next week or so.

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Speaker 18: We've got the megacaps coming out, so tomorrow's Google and Tesla.

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01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 18: They were always very important results, and then in the

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01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 18: next week got Microsoft, Amazon and Meta which i was Facebook,

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01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,639
Speaker 18: And really the markets could be focused on what these

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01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 18: companies are saying about artificial intelligence. So they're going to

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01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 18: keep spending on it, and the market kind of wants

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01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 18: to see that they are going to spend to sort

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01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 18: of justify this big rally was seen a lot in

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01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 18: these AI stocks, so if they sort of show a

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01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 18: bit of caution, then that could be negative for the market.

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Speaker 2: It's stuff Andrew really appreciated. Enjoy evening. Andrew Kurtain will

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01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 2: Ford Act Management. I'm going to run you through next

1594
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 2: what happened with the Indian Panthers. Can I just say

1595
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 2: we are about two hours and ten minutes away from

1596
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 2: Bluebridge's new faerry sailing for the first time tonight in

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01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: New Zealand. It's going to be the Wellington depict and run.

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01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: It's kicking off at eight thirty and I'm excited about

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01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 2: that because I've said to you before, it's eight months

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01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 2: from the minute that they got the sign off from

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01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: the board and they decided yep, okay, off we go.

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01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 2: We get to buy a ferry from then just before

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01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 2: Christmas to them sailing tonight. Eight months. Meanwhile, where are

1604
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 2: we at with our publicly funded fairies? Yeah, still trying

1605
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 2: to decide which builder to use.

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01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: Six twenty one, everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

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01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather d for c Ellen and

1608
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: Mas for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News Talks v Heather.

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01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 2: The replacement into Island of Fairy delays due to the

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01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 2: requirement for hand for it to handle railway wagons. How

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01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 2: long does it take though, to go, like Laura, how

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01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 2: long have we been waiting since they set up that

1613
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 2: company to buy the fairies for them? To actually buy

1614
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: the fairies. It's been months, isn't it? March Chit budge

1615
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 2: something like. Look, it's like months. Okay, how do you

1616
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 2: explain that? How long does it take for you to go?

1617
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 7: Okay?

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01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 2: These are the offers that we've got. Pick that one.

1619
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 2: Like anyway, whatever, I'm not the one doing it. It

1620
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 2: would would have been done faster if I was. Let

1621
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 2: me tell you what's going on with the Indian Panthers.

1622
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: You remember the Indian Panthers. Everybody's really excited about it

1623
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 2: because they were going to be an all Indian team

1624
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 2: who were going to play in the National Basketball League.

1625
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 2: And the thing kicked off in February and then all

1626
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 2: of it like and it was a disaster from the

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01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 2: get go, and then they just bailed out all together

1628
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 2: in May. There is now a story and the spin

1629
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 2: off that kind of outlines what happened here, and it

1630
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: is quite remarkable what went wrong. So they had nine

1631
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 2: games in the end, they had zero wins. The head coach,

1632
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 2: Miles Pierce quit after the first game. Key overseas players

1633
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 2: never arrived. They had no training program whatsoever to speak of,

1634
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 2: no team meetings, no organized off court conditioning. In the

1635
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 2: lieu of training. The team would merely assemble at the

1636
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 2: venue a couple of hours before a game to do

1637
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 2: what they could as they awaited tip off. They had

1638
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 2: some gym membership. That was about the extent of it.

1639
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 2: Normally a team would put in apparently about forty hours

1640
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 2: of work, you know, a bit of training, bit of

1641
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 2: strategy watching the videos. None of that happened. They basically,

1642
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 2: as they say, got together a couple of hours before

1643
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: the game, just warm up, rarely intro. The coach who

1644
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 2: quit was replaced by an interim coach, Jonathan Goodman. He

1645
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 2: took a holiday mid season, which is hilarious because the

1646
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 2: season was only three months long for them, but he

1647
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 2: took holiday. Regardless, the CEO and the GM Pavin Batish

1648
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 2: and Aaron Bertish were living in Melbourne. Neither of them

1649
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 2: came over for the next match, even though the coach

1650
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 2: was away, so the players were basically running the team themselves.

1651
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: The Panthers were then repeatedly thrashed by Margins, approaching fifty points.

1652
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 2: Behind the scenes, it was a real big problem with money.

1653
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 2: Three Indian players were imported, so they did get three players,

1654
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 2: but the rest of them were basically made up of

1655
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: like journeymen and social players and stuff. Anyway, the three

1656
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 2: Indian players put into an airbnb and provided with groceries,

1657
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 2: but they had that was about in a card that

1658
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 2: would sometimes work when they went out for breakfast and

1659
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: sometimes not. They had to rely on charity and rival

1660
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 2: clubs for help to feed themselves in the end. Yet

1661
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 2: it was just a total of the three of them

1662
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: and everybody else was just you know, fill in players.

1663
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 2: What they think was going on was that there was

1664
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 2: long The idea wasn't really for them to be long

1665
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 2: term in the New Zealand League, but they were. It

1666
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 2: was a trojan horse aimed at securing a back door

1667
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 2: entry into the more lucrative Australian NBL. And if you

1668
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 2: don't believe that theory, just remember both of the financial

1669
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 2: backers are still based across the Tasman. So there you go.

1670
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 2: That's what happened there. Thing fell apart and it's just

1671
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 2: been a disaster and people have been hurt along the way.

1672
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 2: One guy said he only got paid about six percent

1673
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 2: of what he was due six twenty.

1674
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 3: Six together do for Sea Alan.

1675
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 2: In Schober's News, it was a course a sad day

1676
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 2: today with the death of Ozzy Osborne. The seventy six

1677
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: year old rocker had been struggling with Parkinson's disease. But

1678
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: talk about a life where I lived. He was a

1679
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 2: father of six. He rose to fame in the early

1680
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 2: seventies with Black Sabbath and then well then successfully rather

1681
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 2: went solo. Media reports are putting his fortune at three

1682
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five million New Zealand dollars. He made

1683
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,879
Speaker 2: heaps of money from Ozfest, which was a traveling musical festival,

1684
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 2: and then, of course a lot of money came from

1685
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 2: the reality show The Osbourne's. Each family member reportedly got

1686
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 2: eight million dollars per season, which is not quite the Kadashians,

1687
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 2: but is more than we're getting paid for being on

1688
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 2: TV at the moment.

1689
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 10: And a certainly more than the Indian Panthers players got paid.

1690
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Also, by the way, I did remember

1691
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 2: correctly when news was playing just before, and thank you

1692
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 2: for pointing that out to me. Rose sawed as well,

1693
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,600
Speaker 2: Ossie pulling down his pants and sticking his butt at

1694
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 2: the crowd. Hmmmm, those were the days in two thousand

1695
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,759
Speaker 2: and eight. Hmmm, what a glorious butt to look at. Okay,

1696
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 2: gen Tips trainee next with what she knows about Adrian.

1697
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 3: Or if it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1698
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: The Business Hour where the head dup was the ands

1699
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 1: for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News Talk sa'd be.

1700
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 2: True. Something very awkward has happened for the Essex Police.

1701
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if Gavin's going to talk about it,

1702
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 2: so I'm going to tell you about it in a minute,

1703
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 2: and then we'll and then if Gavin does want to

1704
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 2: talk about it, we can talk to him about it

1705
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 2: and maybe we'll just falce theme to talk about it.

1706
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 2: So stand by, Is'm going to talk to you about that.

1707
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 2: Virgin Australia, by the way, just heads up is considering

1708
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 2: banning passengers from taking on board those power packs that

1709
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 2: are used for recharging phones because that they think that

1710
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 2: was what caused that fire on the plane yesterday. And

1711
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 2: if they start doing again, Look why I'm telling you this.

1712
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 2: I don't think that you know, like the proportion of

1713
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 2: us right now who fly Virgin Australia and Australia is

1714
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 2: probably quite low. But these ideas catch on and the

1715
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 2: next first thing, it's a powerpack for your phone, and

1716
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 2: the next minute it's the batteries for some other thing

1717
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 2: and some other thing and some other thing, and all

1718
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 2: the lithium ion battery and then how do you get

1719
01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:58,560
Speaker 2: for it? Yeah, lithium ion battery from New Zealand to

1720
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 2: London if they're banning it, do you know?

1721
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 6: I mean?

1722
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 2: So, that's why I'm telling you about that. Twenty four

1723
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 2: away from seven, Treasury has confirmed concerns were raised about

1724
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 2: former Reserve Bank Governor Adrian Or in his conduct. Last

1725
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,719
Speaker 2: night we talked to the Bank's chair Neil Quigley about

1726
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,759
Speaker 2: a claim that Adrian Or had sworn in a meeting

1727
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: with Treasury staff and also had sworn in a meeting

1728
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 2: with Nicola Willis, the Finance Minister. Now, Neil Quiggley wasn't

1729
01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 2: going to tell us a lot about that. Did he

1730
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 2: swear in a meeting with Treasury on the twenty first effair?

1731
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 3: I can't comment on that.

1732
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 2: Why can't you comment on that?

1733
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 18: Well, because that's a matter of privacy that I don't

1734
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,480
Speaker 18: that I don't think I should discuss.

1735
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 2: Pretty same say about the meeting with Nikola. Did he

1736
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 2: swear in a meeting with the Finance Minister three days later?

1737
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 3: Well, I've heard that that's been said but I can't

1738
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 3: comment on that.

1739
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 2: Weren't you at that meeting?

1740
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 3: I was at that meeting?

1741
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 2: Yes, so did he swear? And he can't say anything

1742
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 2: about the lessa that he apparently sent Adrian, did you

1743
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 2: send him an email to him? Hey, here's a whole

1744
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 2: bunch of specific and concrete allegations against you about your behavior. Well, see,

1745
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 2: I can't go into that head. Jane Tibstroni is The

1746
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 2: Herald's Wellington business editor with us. Hello, Janey, Hey, Heather,

1747
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: did he what happened? Tell me, Janey, I'm dying to know. Well,

1748
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 2: I'm dying to know as well.

1749
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 24: Today the Treasury was very helpful and it confirmed that

1750
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 24: Neil Quigley emailed a Treasury staffer about All's behavior after

1751
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 24: a meeting that they had on February twenty. So we

1752
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 24: don't know what exactly about the behavior was raised, but

1753
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,439
Speaker 24: it was obviously bad enough that the Chairman of the

1754
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 24: Reserve Bank thought that he would email the Treasury staffer.

1755
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 24: So that is the one bit of fact we know.

1756
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 24: The interesting thing here is that the Reserve Bank is

1757
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 24: being very tight lipped about what happened around Adrianall's resignation.

1758
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 24: It says it's because it's bound by legalities. You know,

1759
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 24: it obviously entered into an agree with Adrian Or when

1760
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 24: he left, there would have been confidentiality clauses. The Reserve

1761
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 24: Bank is standing behind those clauses and that's limiting what

1762
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 24: it can say. The unusual thing, though, is that the

1763
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 24: Treasury appears willing to potentially release this email to me.

1764
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 24: So it is unusual that this email can't be released,

1765
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 24: the one that Neil quickly sent the Treasury staff. It

1766
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 24: is unusual that that can't be released by the Reserve Bank,

1767
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 24: but it maybe can be released by the Treasury.

1768
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 2: But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

1769
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 2: But it's because the Reserve Bank is the one bounded

1770
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 2: by the gag order with Adrian Or but not Treasury.

1771
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 6: Right.

1772
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: Yes.

1773
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 24: So now this is where it gets into some sort

1774
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 24: of technical thing because the official you know, the official

1775
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 24: information that captures all of government. So it is you know,

1776
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 24: I think this is something for the lawyers to figure out.

1777
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 24: How is it that one agency can say no and

1778
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 24: the other one might be able to say yes, And

1779
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 24: so the Reserve Bank is the to me, Well, it

1780
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 24: is that's legal obligations are different to that of the Treasury.

1781
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 24: But you know, if the Treasury can in fact release

1782
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 24: this email, then I have to ask, well what else

1783
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 24: can it actually release? Because myself and a whole bunch

1784
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 24: of other people made requests of the Reserve Bank and

1785
01:27:18,120 --> 01:27:24,440
Speaker 24: the Treasury around Adrianaal's departure and we were largely stonewalled.

1786
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 24: So if they released this femail, then what else can

1787
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 24: they release?

1788
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 12: Well?

1789
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,799
Speaker 2: What else did they not release that they should have released?

1790
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 24: Well, yes, exactly, this is the thing that we don't know.

1791
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 2: You know what silly buggers gets you called out in

1792
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 2: the end day like don't play silly buggers, don't don't

1793
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 2: This is because this is clearly what's gone on here.

1794
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 2: Tell me something. Do you think that a gag order

1795
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 2: that ties the hands of Adrianal and the Reserve Bank

1796
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:48,679
Speaker 2: also ties the Finance Minister?

1797
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 24: Well, well this is a good question because at to

1798
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 24: date they all seem to be acting in unison. So,

1799
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 24: for example, the day that Adrian All resigned and the

1800
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 24: follow long days, my colleagues and I we sent requests

1801
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 24: under the Official Information Act. I asked specifically Treasury, Reserve Bank,

1802
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 24: and the Finance Minister's office the same questions. You know,

1803
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 24: release information about the circumstances around the resignation. The Reserve

1804
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 24: Bank came back with a statement summarizing what happened in

1805
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 24: its view and limited set of documents. The Finance Minister's

1806
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 24: office also came back with some stuff. For example, that

1807
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 24: came back with the document that showed that she was

1808
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 24: briefed on answering questions about if Adrian or yelled at

1809
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 24: her in a meeting. But largely it seems like that

1810
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 24: the requests have been dealt with together. So this is

1811
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,280
Speaker 24: the interesting thing, you know, should they have been dealt

1812
01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 24: with separately? So I've actually just I've just made a

1813
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 24: complaint to the Onbosman's office. I think this is the

1814
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 24: on Bodsman.

1815
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 2: Is going to need to John Allen.

1816
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 24: It's a new person.

1817
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 3: I don't know John.

1818
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 2: I think it might be John Allen. And if it's

1819
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 2: John Allen, then he doesn't play silly buggers. He should

1820
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 2: be okay with it. Listen, Jane, answer me this question, though.

1821
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 2: Should they not simply have answered given us everything that

1822
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 2: they possibly could and been as straight up as they

1823
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 2: possibly could at the start, because then we wouldn't be like,

1824
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 2: how far are we this? Like four and a half

1825
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 2: months later and we're still talking about him. Had they

1826
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 2: not just offloaded everything at the very start, this would

1827
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 2: be a lot better for them, wouldn't it.

1828
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 24: Oh for sure? And you know it arguably would have

1829
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 24: been better for Adrian or as well. And even if

1830
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 24: the information wasn't great at the time that made them

1831
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 24: all look bad in one way or another, it's surely.

1832
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 2: That is better.

1833
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 24: And you know, the more this goes on, the more

1834
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 24: we get skeptical and we feel like it's hard to

1835
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 24: trust what they say, which just isn't good for anyone.

1836
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 24: You know, I don't want to. I don't want to

1837
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 24: be that sort of obsessive person who questions.

1838
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 2: Hi, you well I am? I know driving me you had?

1839
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I'm in therewith you. Two genetives Trainia

1840
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 2: The Herald's Wellington Business editor. It's eighteen away from seven.

1841
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 3: Heather do to see Allen.

1842
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 2: Police in the UK are in a very awkward position

1843
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:10,520
Speaker 2: right now because footage has emerged of them escorting protesters

1844
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 2: to an asylum hotel to counter protest against other protesters

1845
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 2: who were already there, which then turned violent. Now what

1846
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:24,600
Speaker 2: you need to understand context here is that asylum the

1847
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 2: asylum thing in the UK is incredibly politically charged, right,

1848
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 2: you'll know this by now. What's been going on is

1849
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 2: these dudes have been arriving in the UK and then

1850
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 2: they get put in these hotels and it's at the

1851
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,680
Speaker 2: to the cost of the taxpayer in the UK. And

1852
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 2: there are people in the UK who are livid about this,

1853
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 2: which you can understand because the UK is broke, like

1854
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 2: it is like us, It is broke. It only has

1855
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 2: so much money and these people see their money being

1856
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 2: used not on their children's education or their healthcareh blah

1857
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 2: blah blah bah housing these asylum asylum seekers. So they're

1858
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 2: furious about it. So they go and stand outside these

1859
01:30:57,160 --> 01:31:00,919
Speaker 2: hotels and the protest. So what's now, So what's happened

1860
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 2: is that the Essex Police were accused of this, right,

1861
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 2: they were accused of marching the protest. So you've got

1862
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 2: the protesters already there, you've got the people who are

1863
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 2: angry about the asylum seekers. But then you've got the

1864
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 2: counter protests. But like, we love asylum seekers, they can

1865
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 2: be here. Yeah, yate, stop being old right, wheredos that

1866
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 2: those people you know, like the lefties and apparently the police,

1867
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: the police were accused of escorting them to the hotel,

1868
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 2: and they said, no, no, that never happened. We didn't

1869
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 2: do that. But then the footage emerged and they didn't

1870
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 2: do that, So now they're having to tell the truth.

1871
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 2: And what the footage shows is a lot of police,

1872
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 2: like a lot of police walking these protesters to the hotel,

1873
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 2: and some of these protesters have got balaklava's on. That's

1874
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,799
Speaker 2: not a good look for the coppers anyway, So it's

1875
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 2: turned into quite a kerfuffle. It's fair, I think we

1876
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 2: could all agree. It's fair enough that the police are,

1877
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,880
Speaker 2: you know, have a police presence around a protest. Right

1878
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,879
Speaker 2: that happens in New Zealand. Protests illegal. You're allowed to protest.

1879
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 2: But the problem for the Essex police is it looks

1880
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 2: like they were only protect in one group of protesters,

1881
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 2: the lefty protesters, and not the other group of protesters

1882
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: being written off as the righty protesters. And the trouble

1883
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 2: here is it looks like they're picking sides and doing

1884
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 2: weird things. And they have been in the past accused

1885
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 2: of picking sides and doing weird things politically already, so

1886
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 2: this is not good for them. But what makes it

1887
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 2: even worse is that they lied about it and then

1888
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:23,640
Speaker 2: got busted lying, and so they are going to be

1889
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 2: holding a press conference overnight to try to explain this.

1890
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 2: Gavin Gray is with us next sixteen away from seven.

1891
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 3: Approaching the numbers and getting the results.

1892
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 1: It's hitherto for Clan with the Business Hour and Mays

1893
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 1: for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks that'd be.

1894
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,679
Speaker 2: With us now as Gavin Gray are UK correspondent evening

1895
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 2: Gavin Hi. So we've got one hundred or even more

1896
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 2: than one hundred victims of Muhammad al Fayed who are

1897
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 2: getting compensation, are they?

1898
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 22: Well, that's so far what's happening in this process about

1899
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 22: this and Harold's has effectively started issuing compensation at the

1900
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 22: end of April, and the SKI does remain open for

1901
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 22: new applications until the end of March next year. But

1902
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 22: they're basically saying that they've listened to feedback from survivors,

1903
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 22: whether raised directly or via legal firms, and multiple women

1904
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:17,560
Speaker 22: who worked for the former department store owner Muhammad Alphayed,

1905
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 22: of course, the father of Dodie al Fayed, who was

1906
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 22: going out with Princess Diana when they died together, that

1907
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:28,719
Speaker 22: he died last year, Muhammed alpha Ed and those women

1908
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 22: have accused him of rape and sexual assault, and Harold's

1909
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 22: have said that victims of abuse by the former owner

1910
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 22: could receive roughly four hundred thousand pounds or eight hundred

1911
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 22: and thirty thousand New Zealand dollars plus treatment costs if

1912
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 22: they agreed to be assessed by a consultant psychiatrist. And

1913
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 22: we believe that yet more than one hundred have done

1914
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 22: exactly that.

1915
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 2: Now, hey, so you counting down till Donald Trump arrives

1916
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:56,040
Speaker 2: in Scotland.

1917
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 22: Well, certainly the police in Scotland are this is a

1918
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 22: private visit. It comes actually only a few weeks ahead

1919
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 22: of a state visit, but it is a separate visit.

1920
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 22: And the Scottish Police Federation, those are the ones that

1921
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:11,639
Speaker 22: represents rank and file officers those on the ground, are

1922
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 22: actually accusing the overall bosses of the police in Scotland

1923
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 22: of allegedly breaching a workforce agreement in regards to this visit.

1924
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 6: How might that happen?

1925
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,839
Speaker 22: Well, apparently it is going to be organized in twelve

1926
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 22: hour shifts for the police, twelve hours on, twelve hours off,

1927
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 22: with certain breaks in between. And what The Scottish Police

1928
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 22: Federation is saying, well, actually that isn't within our contract

1929
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:40,360
Speaker 22: and they are threatening to take legal action. Now they're

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Speaker 22: leaving it pretty late. Donald Trump arrives on Friday, so

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Speaker 22: just over forty eight hours time from now, and of

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Speaker 22: course a great deal of work to be done. The

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Speaker 22: Scottish Police Scotland is saying, look, you know, we're talking

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Speaker 22: to the rank of our members about this. This visit

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Speaker 22: taking place between them twenty fifth and the twenty ninth.

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Speaker 22: He's going to visit both golf courses Trump Turnbury and

1937
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Speaker 22: South Ashore and Trump International Scotland in Aberdeenshire, and we'll

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Speaker 22: also meet the Prime Minister Sekir Starmer and Scotland's First Minister,

1939
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Speaker 22: John Swinney, but only for informal talks. And the five

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Speaker 22: thousand officers that are being brought in on this is

1941
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Speaker 22: a very expensive operation. They're very mindful, of course, of

1942
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Speaker 22: the attempted assassination on Donald Trump before he became president.

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Speaker 2: I see, hey, so the Netflix deal with Hether and

1944
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Speaker 2: Misers over, is it?

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Speaker 3: It looks it.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 22: There are some growing reports which seem to have legs

1948
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Speaker 22: as it were, and seemed to be semi confirmed by

1949
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Speaker 22: those in the no say the deal between Harry and

1950
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Speaker 22: Meghan and the deal with Netflix is going to be scrapped.

1951
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Speaker 22: It was said to be worth about two hundred and

1952
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Speaker 22: thirty million New Zealand dollars. There's no official announcement. Apparently

1953
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Speaker 22: they mutually agree not to make an official announcement. And

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Speaker 22: it comes after the Polo, which was a project that

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Speaker 22: Harry differ Netflix about. The spot was watched by a

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Speaker 22: little over half a million people, so it really bond

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Speaker 22: in terms of viewing figures. And it's also understood that

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Speaker 22: bosses were infuriated by Megan making her as ever brand

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Speaker 22: a priority. At least that's what they felt it. Netflix,

1960
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Speaker 22: according to one source, is quoted as saying they've got

1961
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Speaker 22: all they can from the couple, and although they've got

1962
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Speaker 22: some viewers for the first documentary series, that proved to

1963
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Speaker 22: be the zenith of content from the Montesino pair, as

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Speaker 22: they're saying, so it looks like the days of their

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Speaker 22: TV appearances on Netflix maybe over good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, Enjoy your day. That's Kevin Gray, UK correspondent. I

1967
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Speaker 2: can't believe I'm telling you this, but Donald Trump has

1968
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Speaker 2: done it on the coke. Remember when he was raving

1969
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Speaker 2: about it. You see, Coca Cola were going to bring

1970
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Speaker 2: out the coke the way he likes it, which is

1971
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Speaker 2: with the cane sugar instead of the corn syrup. Coca

1972
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Speaker 2: Cola has confirmed it is going to do what Donald

1973
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Speaker 2: Trump wants. It's not going to swap out the corn

1974
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Speaker 2: syrup on all of its coke because it's a much

1975
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 2: cheaper way of doing it, but it's going to bring

1976
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Speaker 2: in apparently cane sugar coke for Donald Trump. Nine away

1977
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Speaker 2: from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tipsy allan Drive full show podcast on

1979
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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by newstalg zebby MM.

1980
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Speaker 2: The Epstein thing is just it's just like slightly more

1981
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Speaker 2: and more awkward for Donald Trump this evening because there's

1982
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Speaker 2: some there's some archived video footage which is just emerged

1983
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Speaker 2: showing that Jeffrey Epstein was in fact at the nineteen

1984
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Speaker 2: ninety three wedding of Donald Trump to Marla Maples. It

1985
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Speaker 2: wasn't known until now that he was there. And then

1986
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Speaker 2: on top of that also much less damaging, but still well,

1987
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Speaker 2: I mean, is the first one damaging. No, It just

1988
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Speaker 2: kind of makes them seem like way more chummy than

1989
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Speaker 2: maybe maybe you knew. But then there's also the ninety

1990
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Speaker 2: ninety nine footage from the Victoria Street fashion event in

1991
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Speaker 2: New York, which shows Trump and Epstein laughing and chatting

1992
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Speaker 2: together ahead of the runway of such chums. And the

1993
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Speaker 2: thing about it is, none of this is by itself

1994
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Speaker 2: a smoking gun that proves anything, you know, but it

1995
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Speaker 2: just it just kind of continues the story. We're into

1996
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Speaker 2: what week three of it now or something like. It's

1997
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Speaker 2: been going a long time. Donald Trump will be heartily

1998
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Speaker 2: sick of it. Hey, can I quickly just give a

1999
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Speaker 2: shout out to a couple of guys who've won the

2000
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Speaker 2: Expert Game Award at the Oscars of Board Games. So

2001
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Speaker 2: the Expert Game Award, I think is a category kind

2002
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Speaker 2: of like best Director or Best Producer whatever. The Expert

2003
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Speaker 2: Game is the award that they've taken out. The game

2004
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Speaker 2: is called Endeavor Deep Sea and it's a board game.

2005
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Speaker 2: And in Endeavor deep Sea, the players, if you're you

2006
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Speaker 2: play this game, you are a researcher. You have to

2007
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Speaker 2: pretend to be a researcher working for an Institute of

2008
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Speaker 2: Oceanographers doing research and conservation work. Is that the most

2009
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Speaker 2: KEYWI game in the world, Like if we're going to

2010
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Speaker 2: take out a board game category. It's not going to

2011
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Speaker 2: be for something like monopoly, like to that kind of capitalism.

2012
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Speaker 2: It's not going to be something like like Chess. Far

2013
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Speaker 2: too fighty for us, you know, with all those like

2014
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Speaker 2: war war strategies. It's going to be researching conservation work,

2015
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Speaker 2: working for an institute of versionographers. So well done, well

2016
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Speaker 2: done to them.

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Speaker 10: It's crazy trained by Ozzios. Want to play us out

2018
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Speaker 10: tonight the only real game in town Borne sadly has

2019
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Speaker 10: died age seventy six. Basically the whole rock community around

2020
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Speaker 10: the world. As in morning people have been leaving flowers

2021
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Speaker 10: on his star at the Hollywood Walk of Fame. This song,

2022
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 10: of course he made it wasn't actually a Black Sabbath song.

2023
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Speaker 10: He fell out with the Black Sabbath bandmates in nineteen

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Speaker 10: seventy nine, and he released this as a solo track

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Speaker 10: the year after, along with a whole bunch of other music.

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Speaker 10: But obviously they are all made up again, and the

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Speaker 10: surviving Black Sebbath members of all posts.

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Speaker 2: He has been to late like, yes, under you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: want to work with him, I mean it's all fun.

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Speaker 10: Well, one of those classic ones where he's like really

2031
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Speaker 10: really good at it, and so you'd want to work

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Speaker 10: with him because he's like the best at it and

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Speaker 10: he's just amazing, but just actually the data experience of

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Speaker 10: working with him would have just really started to tell

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Speaker 10: after a while.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And you can only be like the best at it

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Speaker 2: for a while when you're literally drinking like mouthwash.

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Speaker 10: Yeah and then just randomly flashing your mum at people

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Speaker 10: and stuff and snorting live and I mean that sort

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Speaker 10: of stuff we know about, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And what was going on? Did they really eat

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Speaker 2: the bat?

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Speaker 10: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you know who needed creating to fix

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Speaker 2: his brain?

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Speaker 6: Ame?

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Speaker 20: Was that?

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Speaker 17: Well?

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Speaker 10: No, no, no, I don't think anyone WI won Osbourne any

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Speaker 10: other way than the way he was.

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Speaker 2: Okay anyway, So r I Peter Ozzy Osbourne because the Emperor,

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Speaker 2: the mark that he's left on music was outstanding. So

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Speaker 2: see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive.

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Speaker 1: Listen live to News Talks it B from four pm weekdays,

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