1
00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,972
Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk zed Be

2
00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,133
Speaker 1: follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.

3
00:00:16,613 --> 00:00:18,773
Speaker 2: Hello you great New Zealands, and welcome to Matt and

4
00:00:18,813 --> 00:00:23,413
Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast number two O seven. We got

5
00:00:23,413 --> 00:00:25,653
Speaker 2: to the topic we didn't get to yesterday, which was

6
00:00:25,773 --> 00:00:31,293
Speaker 2: as gen X the quiet forgotten generation that's actually roaring in,

7
00:00:31,493 --> 00:00:34,653
Speaker 2: actually ruling the world. And I love that chat.

8
00:00:35,453 --> 00:00:37,772
Speaker 3: Great chat. We had a lot of boomers coming in

9
00:00:37,813 --> 00:00:39,853
Speaker 3: to defend their generation, a lot of Gen x's. I

10
00:00:39,893 --> 00:00:42,373
Speaker 3: don't think we had one millennial that actually stepped up

11
00:00:42,373 --> 00:00:43,972
Speaker 3: and said millennials are all right.

12
00:00:44,933 --> 00:00:46,572
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, there was a lot of love for millennials

13
00:00:46,613 --> 00:00:50,173
Speaker 2: out there, even the generation below men, millennials, the younger guys.

14
00:00:50,213 --> 00:00:52,293
Speaker 2: We're having a shot at millennials. I think it's going

15
00:00:52,373 --> 00:00:56,333
Speaker 2: to be interesting because even you know, I think my

16
00:00:56,453 --> 00:00:58,373
Speaker 2: kids are not where they are they Generation Alpha? Is

17
00:00:58,373 --> 00:00:59,093
Speaker 2: that what it is now?

18
00:00:59,213 --> 00:00:59,373
Speaker 4: Yeah?

19
00:00:59,373 --> 00:01:02,212
Speaker 2: Because they're after Z if you're sixteen and eighteen, I

20
00:01:02,253 --> 00:01:04,253
Speaker 2: believe it is yet. Yeah, but even they make jokes

21
00:01:04,253 --> 00:01:08,293
Speaker 2: about millennials Harry Potter loving That's about it. All millennials

22
00:01:08,413 --> 00:01:09,173
Speaker 2: have is Harry Potter.

23
00:01:09,293 --> 00:01:11,653
Speaker 3: We just don't deserve all this hatred. Hey, there's a

24
00:01:11,733 --> 00:01:13,853
Speaker 3: note to you. I take So Deja Voodu was a

25
00:01:13,893 --> 00:01:14,933
Speaker 3: band for the millennials.

26
00:01:15,212 --> 00:01:17,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. I think probably a lot of our

27
00:01:17,133 --> 00:01:20,413
Speaker 2: fans for millennials, even if we might have been gen

28
00:01:20,613 --> 00:01:23,933
Speaker 2: X's anyway. Yeah, Tyler, you've got some edmund.

29
00:01:23,813 --> 00:01:28,292
Speaker 3: Yeah download, subscribe and give us a review. Tell everybody and.

30
00:01:28,373 --> 00:01:30,373
Speaker 2: Give a kiwi from us. You've said, busy, listen to

31
00:01:30,413 --> 00:01:33,773
Speaker 2: the pod all right, love you big stories.

32
00:01:33,652 --> 00:01:37,693
Speaker 5: The big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

33
00:01:38,053 --> 00:01:41,413
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk.

34
00:01:41,253 --> 00:01:41,613
Speaker 6: Said the.

35
00:01:43,173 --> 00:01:46,853
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome into Wednesday show. Hope

36
00:01:46,893 --> 00:01:49,253
Speaker 3: you are having a good week so far and great

37
00:01:49,293 --> 00:01:50,813
Speaker 3: to have your company as always. Good a Matt.

38
00:01:51,013 --> 00:01:53,853
Speaker 2: Hey, so Tyler and you great New Zealands are listening

39
00:01:53,853 --> 00:01:56,893
Speaker 2: to this show. I've talked before about the concept of

40
00:01:56,973 --> 00:01:57,853
Speaker 2: raw dogging a run.

41
00:01:58,093 --> 00:01:59,413
Speaker 3: Yep, a great name, but.

42
00:01:59,453 --> 00:02:01,413
Speaker 2: You don't take your headphone. So I was running to David.

43
00:02:01,573 --> 00:02:03,853
Speaker 2: One of the interesting things that happens when you go

44
00:02:03,973 --> 00:02:06,173
Speaker 2: for a run and a walk with with no entertainment

45
00:02:06,253 --> 00:02:09,733
Speaker 2: is your your thoughts start spinning around, and sometimes their

46
00:02:09,773 --> 00:02:12,693
Speaker 2: positive thoughts, and sometimes you can get annoyed. And on

47
00:02:12,773 --> 00:02:15,053
Speaker 2: my run today, I was thinking about what we were

48
00:02:15,053 --> 00:02:20,692
Speaker 2: talking about yesterday and that that article which basically said

49
00:02:20,733 --> 00:02:23,093
Speaker 2: that New Zealand's broken and you're stupid to stay yes,

50
00:02:23,653 --> 00:02:25,213
Speaker 2: And I couldn't get it out of my head, and

51
00:02:25,213 --> 00:02:27,213
Speaker 2: I was trying to work out why it annoyed me

52
00:02:27,252 --> 00:02:29,653
Speaker 2: so much, that article, and then it struck me that

53
00:02:29,693 --> 00:02:32,093
Speaker 2: it's just such a selfish way to view the world.

54
00:02:32,693 --> 00:02:35,653
Speaker 2: Shouldn't we celebrate the people who want to work hard

55
00:02:35,693 --> 00:02:37,733
Speaker 2: and give back to their country that gave them the

56
00:02:37,773 --> 00:02:40,972
Speaker 2: opportunities that they have, educated them, the roads they have

57
00:02:41,213 --> 00:02:43,973
Speaker 2: used that were paid for by taxes, all the infrastructure

58
00:02:44,013 --> 00:02:47,413
Speaker 2: that this whole country has provided for you. You know,

59
00:02:47,532 --> 00:02:50,693
Speaker 2: so going away for economic reasons, you know, maybe going

60
00:02:50,733 --> 00:02:55,572
Speaker 2: to Australia is fine, but it shouldn't be celebrated that

61
00:02:55,693 --> 00:02:58,972
Speaker 2: the people that work hard for their community and make

62
00:02:59,013 --> 00:03:02,213
Speaker 2: the country a better place. You know, start businesses, hire people,

63
00:03:02,333 --> 00:03:07,533
Speaker 2: work in the community. They should be celebrated. You know,

64
00:03:08,453 --> 00:03:11,213
Speaker 2: go overseas, sure, that's right. I'm not going to judge

65
00:03:11,213 --> 00:03:14,493
Speaker 2: you for your for your personal betterment, but you're doing

66
00:03:14,532 --> 00:03:18,292
Speaker 2: that for you for yourself. You know, it's great go overseas,

67
00:03:18,333 --> 00:03:22,252
Speaker 2: but make sure. I don't know, maybe you should have

68
00:03:22,373 --> 00:03:24,132
Speaker 2: in your mind that you're going to go over there

69
00:03:24,213 --> 00:03:26,453
Speaker 2: and bring something back here, you know, and pay your

70
00:03:26,493 --> 00:03:29,333
Speaker 2: country back for what it has done, you know. So

71
00:03:30,173 --> 00:03:33,893
Speaker 2: the glee in that article, like you should get revenge

72
00:03:34,013 --> 00:03:36,893
Speaker 2: on your country for it not being up to your standard.

73
00:03:37,613 --> 00:03:39,453
Speaker 2: That I just couldn't get that out of my head

74
00:03:39,453 --> 00:03:40,293
Speaker 2: when I was on this run.

75
00:03:40,413 --> 00:03:42,893
Speaker 3: I like this raw dogging version of you, mate, this

76
00:03:43,053 --> 00:03:45,093
Speaker 3: is good, But you're right. It is a weak attitude,

77
00:03:45,173 --> 00:03:47,453
Speaker 3: isn't it That this country I know has given me

78
00:03:47,573 --> 00:03:50,853
Speaker 3: a hell of a lot. And I'd never contemplate thinking,

79
00:03:51,173 --> 00:03:54,133
Speaker 3: buggy you Newsland, I'm going to go elsewhere. You just wouldn't.

80
00:03:54,373 --> 00:03:55,573
Speaker 3: Not one part of me would.

81
00:03:55,413 --> 00:03:58,653
Speaker 2: Think that, sure, go into the world and do things

82
00:03:58,733 --> 00:04:01,933
Speaker 2: that that's fine, We've all done that kind of thing.

83
00:04:02,453 --> 00:04:05,133
Speaker 2: But the idea that you should be celebrated for it

84
00:04:05,253 --> 00:04:07,573
Speaker 2: and that your country has let you down. The fact

85
00:04:07,613 --> 00:04:10,573
Speaker 2: that you can go over season achieved is because of

86
00:04:10,693 --> 00:04:13,253
Speaker 2: what you've been given in this country. Before you go

87
00:04:13,413 --> 00:04:15,693
Speaker 2: over there, and the best of us go over and

88
00:04:15,813 --> 00:04:18,333
Speaker 2: make a lot of Monday money, plunder the rest of

89
00:04:18,333 --> 00:04:21,293
Speaker 2: the world and bring it back here for ideas and

90
00:04:21,493 --> 00:04:26,213
Speaker 2: capitalble hopefully and give give something back, but just the

91
00:04:26,493 --> 00:04:30,333
Speaker 2: idea that that that New Zealand is broken and you

92
00:04:30,693 --> 00:04:33,293
Speaker 2: are an amazing person because you give it the bird

93
00:04:33,533 --> 00:04:36,933
Speaker 2: and run away. Yea, No, it's in some ways it's

94
00:04:36,973 --> 00:04:39,853
Speaker 2: a failing. You've failed your country. Love it you have

95
00:04:40,013 --> 00:04:42,452
Speaker 2: and those that stick it out and make the place better.

96
00:04:43,293 --> 00:04:45,373
Speaker 2: And when you say sticking it out, oh my god,

97
00:04:45,453 --> 00:04:47,653
Speaker 2: it's a pretty good place to be stick it out.

98
00:04:48,093 --> 00:04:50,893
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hardly torture being here, like some people

99
00:04:50,933 --> 00:04:53,893
Speaker 2: would lead us to lead us to believe. It's actually

100
00:04:53,893 --> 00:04:58,253
Speaker 2: an incredible privilege to be in this country. And if

101
00:04:58,293 --> 00:05:00,493
Speaker 2: you and if you are lucky enough to be capable

102
00:05:00,573 --> 00:05:03,853
Speaker 2: to do something for your community and make the place

103
00:05:03,933 --> 00:05:06,893
Speaker 2: a better place, than oh my goodness, you've cracked the

104
00:05:06,933 --> 00:05:09,213
Speaker 2: code in life. So anyway, that was running through my head,

105
00:05:09,213 --> 00:05:11,213
Speaker 2: so I thought I just unleash it on you poor listeners.

106
00:05:11,413 --> 00:05:13,493
Speaker 3: Nicely said mate, I mean, we've got to name this

107
00:05:13,533 --> 00:05:15,813
Speaker 3: fizz up Wednesday, because I'm feling first now this is

108
00:05:15,853 --> 00:05:18,173
Speaker 3: going to be a regular thing. But right on to

109
00:05:18,373 --> 00:05:20,373
Speaker 3: today's show, nicely said by the way, mate, on to

110
00:05:20,453 --> 00:05:23,133
Speaker 3: today's show. After three o'clock, gen X, we were going

111
00:05:23,173 --> 00:05:25,053
Speaker 3: to do this yesterday. We had so many texts and

112
00:05:25,053 --> 00:05:26,813
Speaker 3: people trying to get through on this, but because we

113
00:05:26,933 --> 00:05:29,453
Speaker 3: had another couple of very popular topics, we didn't get

114
00:05:29,453 --> 00:05:32,533
Speaker 3: to it. But gen X a story about that generation

115
00:05:32,693 --> 00:05:35,733
Speaker 3: being overlooked, caught between the boomers and the millennials, but

116
00:05:35,813 --> 00:05:37,773
Speaker 3: a lot of those and Gen X, and you're included

117
00:05:37,853 --> 00:05:40,893
Speaker 3: in that. Matt, you say you're the unsung heroes.

118
00:05:41,013 --> 00:05:42,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was, Annoyd. We didn't get to this

119
00:05:42,493 --> 00:05:44,333
Speaker 2: to say because the too many calls and texts, but

120
00:05:44,893 --> 00:05:47,573
Speaker 2: we're going to get it to today no matter what. Right, Okay,

121
00:05:49,133 --> 00:05:51,733
Speaker 2: we are the quiet generation. The Generation X, well, the

122
00:05:51,773 --> 00:05:54,773
Speaker 2: boomers and the millennials are yelling and screaming at each

123
00:05:54,773 --> 00:05:59,533
Speaker 2: other about property and various cultural wars. We're the TUF

124
00:05:59,573 --> 00:06:02,893
Speaker 2: scan generation that's just getting on with ruling the world.

125
00:06:02,973 --> 00:06:06,293
Speaker 2: In the background. Here, best movies, best music, best people.

126
00:06:06,413 --> 00:06:07,773
Speaker 2: Gen X, that's gettingto it.

127
00:06:07,813 --> 00:06:11,333
Speaker 3: Shots fired that is the chat Amy wrong ninety left there.

128
00:06:11,413 --> 00:06:13,693
Speaker 3: That is after three o'clock, after two o'clock, that's going

129
00:06:13,733 --> 00:06:15,773
Speaker 3: to be a good chat. A New Zealand's aviation sector

130
00:06:15,853 --> 00:06:17,893
Speaker 3: is facing a bit of a crisis at the moment,

131
00:06:17,973 --> 00:06:20,173
Speaker 3: with a shortage of pilots and it does threaten the

132
00:06:20,213 --> 00:06:23,653
Speaker 3: future of regional airlines and national connectivity. There was a

133
00:06:23,693 --> 00:06:27,133
Speaker 3: big conference that has just happened and the government, as

134
00:06:27,213 --> 00:06:30,213
Speaker 3: part or at that conference, announced a new Aviation Action

135
00:06:30,413 --> 00:06:32,693
Speaker 3: Action Plan and a huge part of this is exploring

136
00:06:32,733 --> 00:06:35,893
Speaker 3: how changes to pilot training, those student loan caps and

137
00:06:36,093 --> 00:06:39,653
Speaker 3: workforce support could help tackle some of those skill crisises.

138
00:06:39,693 --> 00:06:42,133
Speaker 3: So we want to hear from you if you have

139
00:06:42,293 --> 00:06:43,453
Speaker 3: gone through pilot training.

140
00:06:43,613 --> 00:06:44,133
Speaker 7: What was it like?

141
00:06:44,773 --> 00:06:44,973
Speaker 6: Yeah?

142
00:06:46,973 --> 00:06:49,253
Speaker 2: Is it a good job being a pilot? Because I've

143
00:06:49,253 --> 00:06:50,733
Speaker 2: talked a lot of pilots. It's quite hard. There's a

144
00:06:50,733 --> 00:06:52,933
Speaker 2: lot of it. There's a lot of responsibility. You know,

145
00:06:53,013 --> 00:06:55,533
Speaker 2: you have literally have people's lives in your hands. And

146
00:06:55,693 --> 00:06:58,933
Speaker 2: it's not just pilots, it's air traffic controllers, there's the engineers.

147
00:06:59,093 --> 00:07:02,813
Speaker 2: It's a high risk, high reward industry. I imagine what's

148
00:07:02,853 --> 00:07:05,253
Speaker 2: the training like? Is it worth going one hundred k

149
00:07:05,453 --> 00:07:09,333
Speaker 2: into debt to become a pilot? As I said to

150
00:07:09,373 --> 00:07:13,213
Speaker 2: you before, Taylor Tyler, you'd think I know your name

151
00:07:13,253 --> 00:07:16,813
Speaker 2: by now. I just love the idea of flying and

152
00:07:16,893 --> 00:07:19,413
Speaker 2: pilots and it's called John. I think the whole industry

153
00:07:19,453 --> 00:07:21,253
Speaker 2: is awesome. So I just want to talk to people involved.

154
00:07:21,413 --> 00:07:22,733
Speaker 3: Yep, that is going to be a good chat after

155
00:07:22,773 --> 00:07:25,133
Speaker 3: to aclop it. Right now, let's have a chat about

156
00:07:25,213 --> 00:07:28,093
Speaker 3: these new trailers, speed camera trailers that have been rolled

157
00:07:28,093 --> 00:07:30,773
Speaker 3: out around the country from today. So as we know,

158
00:07:30,933 --> 00:07:33,733
Speaker 3: NZTA is now in full control of the speed camera

159
00:07:33,893 --> 00:07:36,373
Speaker 3: network and these new trailers you may have seen pictures

160
00:07:36,413 --> 00:07:38,693
Speaker 3: of them. They're very inconspicuous. They are going to be

161
00:07:38,813 --> 00:07:41,453
Speaker 3: joined by those SUVs that were in Oound some time ago,

162
00:07:41,533 --> 00:07:43,973
Speaker 3: those red fours, So they're going to be operating twenty

163
00:07:44,013 --> 00:07:47,973
Speaker 3: four seven and high risk crash zones and without signage.

164
00:07:48,053 --> 00:07:50,533
Speaker 3: So just a bit about the tech involved. These units

165
00:07:50,573 --> 00:07:52,293
Speaker 3: have a three hundred meter range that is quite a

166
00:07:52,293 --> 00:07:56,053
Speaker 3: significant range detect vehicles in both directions and as I say,

167
00:07:56,133 --> 00:07:58,973
Speaker 3: top of the line. When it comes to that tech.

168
00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:02,853
Speaker 2: Should drivers be warned? Really that's the question. Or do

169
00:08:02,973 --> 00:08:06,293
Speaker 2: you support the stealth, the stealth pinging the little trailer

170
00:08:06,853 --> 00:08:09,173
Speaker 2: that's pinging you and you've got no idea where it

171
00:08:09,293 --> 00:08:10,933
Speaker 2: is and when it's going to come up, and you're

172
00:08:10,933 --> 00:08:13,933
Speaker 2: going to get attack it as the safety or revenue collecting.

173
00:08:13,973 --> 00:08:15,493
Speaker 2: I mean, these are always the questions you ask when

174
00:08:15,493 --> 00:08:17,933
Speaker 2: they have this new technology, and they wheel out, literally

175
00:08:18,053 --> 00:08:20,013
Speaker 2: when it comes to trailers, wheel out new ways of

176
00:08:20,973 --> 00:08:25,173
Speaker 2: pinging you and like, I want to talk about this

177
00:08:25,253 --> 00:08:27,693
Speaker 2: this hour as well. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

178
00:08:27,733 --> 00:08:30,373
Speaker 2: It's also kind of a selfish reason why we're doing

179
00:08:30,413 --> 00:08:33,252
Speaker 2: this topic. I want to crowdsource good advice to give

180
00:08:33,373 --> 00:08:35,733
Speaker 2: my kids about driving on the open road and staying safe,

181
00:08:36,213 --> 00:08:38,413
Speaker 2: because I've got to say that my thoughts on the

182
00:08:38,453 --> 00:08:41,612
Speaker 2: open roadvent have changed dramatically since I've got kids that

183
00:08:41,653 --> 00:08:44,012
Speaker 2: are going to be driving between cities, I bet, and

184
00:08:44,372 --> 00:08:47,052
Speaker 2: I've just been searching for the words for them. And

185
00:08:47,693 --> 00:08:51,612
Speaker 2: I've been a big advocate now after being different in

186
00:08:51,693 --> 00:08:54,973
Speaker 2: my life, I'm now a huge advocate for the cruise

187
00:08:55,012 --> 00:08:59,733
Speaker 2: control train just getting behind someone locking and at one

188
00:08:59,773 --> 00:09:02,372
Speaker 2: hundred and sticking behind them. There's a lot to be

189
00:09:02,492 --> 00:09:06,013
Speaker 2: said for everyone. And you see it now, you know cars,

190
00:09:06,132 --> 00:09:08,773
Speaker 2: because everyone's on courage control just moving almost ford botically

191
00:09:08,852 --> 00:09:10,333
Speaker 2: down down the road, you know.

192
00:09:10,892 --> 00:09:14,453
Speaker 3: So it's like a Chinese military march. Sometimes it's very efficient.

193
00:09:14,773 --> 00:09:14,973
Speaker 2: Yeah.

194
00:09:15,173 --> 00:09:15,493
Speaker 3: Safe.

195
00:09:16,012 --> 00:09:17,732
Speaker 2: So as a parent, if you've had your kids out

196
00:09:17,773 --> 00:09:20,813
Speaker 2: on the road, what have you said to them? Yeah?

197
00:09:20,973 --> 00:09:21,173
Speaker 4: Yeah?

198
00:09:21,293 --> 00:09:23,732
Speaker 2: But also should drivers be warned there's a lot a

199
00:09:23,732 --> 00:09:24,933
Speaker 2: lot of isshoes here out of the road.

200
00:09:25,012 --> 00:09:26,533
Speaker 3: There is a lot of one pack oh eight, one

201
00:09:26,573 --> 00:09:28,453
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten to eighty. What do you think about

202
00:09:28,492 --> 00:09:32,492
Speaker 3: these inconspicuous trailers? They've been rolled out as we speak,

203
00:09:32,533 --> 00:09:33,813
Speaker 3: and there's going to be a lot of them. Is

204
00:09:33,892 --> 00:09:36,573
Speaker 3: that underhanded? And what advice would you give to your

205
00:09:36,653 --> 00:09:38,492
Speaker 3: kids or have you given to your kids for driving

206
00:09:38,573 --> 00:09:40,693
Speaker 3: safe on the open roads? Love to hear your thoughts.

207
00:09:41,213 --> 00:09:43,172
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've opened a Pandora's box with my

208
00:09:43,773 --> 00:09:47,172
Speaker 2: other little running rent that I've made before. Yeah, a

209
00:09:47,213 --> 00:09:49,252
Speaker 2: lot of people coming through on that one as well. Yeah,

210
00:09:49,293 --> 00:09:50,093
Speaker 2: we'll talk about anything.

211
00:09:50,173 --> 00:09:52,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, nine two is the text number. It's quarter

212
00:09:52,453 --> 00:09:52,852
Speaker 3: a pass one.

213
00:09:53,813 --> 00:09:57,172
Speaker 5: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

214
00:09:57,533 --> 00:09:58,492
Speaker 5: everything in between.

215
00:09:58,732 --> 00:10:01,652
Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons used talks.

216
00:10:01,653 --> 00:10:05,813
Speaker 3: They'd be seventeen past three, so hidden speed cameras. They

217
00:10:05,852 --> 00:10:08,053
Speaker 3: are being rolled out as we speak. They new trailers

218
00:10:08,093 --> 00:10:10,973
Speaker 3: that have very inconspicuous Is that fair cop or is

219
00:10:11,012 --> 00:10:14,813
Speaker 3: it about underhanded? And a follow up question, Yeah.

220
00:10:14,732 --> 00:10:16,453
Speaker 2: What advice have you given your kids? Is that the

221
00:10:16,492 --> 00:10:17,052
Speaker 2: follow up question?

222
00:10:17,093 --> 00:10:17,613
Speaker 3: You're talking about?

223
00:10:18,413 --> 00:10:21,493
Speaker 2: What advice have you given your kids so they stay

224
00:10:21,612 --> 00:10:24,612
Speaker 2: safe on the open road. Lance is my seventeen year

225
00:10:24,693 --> 00:10:27,012
Speaker 2: old daughter travels three hours to see her boyfriend. I've

226
00:10:27,053 --> 00:10:29,492
Speaker 2: told her that every other driver on the road is

227
00:10:29,492 --> 00:10:32,053
Speaker 2: trying to kill her. That's how you have to think

228
00:10:32,093 --> 00:10:35,652
Speaker 2: when driving from Lance. Yeah, I mean, you don't know

229
00:10:35,653 --> 00:10:37,693
Speaker 2: if the person's coming at you on the other side

230
00:10:37,693 --> 00:10:41,213
Speaker 2: of the road is asleep. That's that's a real possibility

231
00:10:41,333 --> 00:10:43,533
Speaker 2: that the person that's coming at you at one hundred

232
00:10:43,612 --> 00:10:45,172
Speaker 2: kilometers an hour on the other side of the road,

233
00:10:45,372 --> 00:10:47,693
Speaker 2: just separated by paint, is vast sleep.

234
00:10:47,892 --> 00:10:50,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very true. That is great advice. One hundred

235
00:10:50,892 --> 00:10:51,973
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighties number to.

236
00:10:51,973 --> 00:10:54,292
Speaker 2: Call Sonya you've got some tips for kids on the

237
00:10:54,333 --> 00:10:54,813
Speaker 2: open road.

238
00:10:56,093 --> 00:11:00,573
Speaker 8: Oh hi, guys. It's probably my greatest fear. Actually, I

239
00:11:01,612 --> 00:11:04,132
Speaker 8: volunteer and train a lot of young people how to

240
00:11:04,252 --> 00:11:09,333
Speaker 8: drive and the open Yeah, I'll thank you, but I

241
00:11:09,492 --> 00:11:11,933
Speaker 8: just want everyone to be safe. The open road piece

242
00:11:12,053 --> 00:11:14,132
Speaker 8: is a bit that scares me the most because they

243
00:11:14,213 --> 00:11:16,932
Speaker 8: have such confidence in the city and then they go

244
00:11:17,053 --> 00:11:20,293
Speaker 8: out on the open road and it's totally new territory.

245
00:11:20,612 --> 00:11:24,612
Speaker 8: You know, things happen so much faster. The faster you

246
00:11:24,732 --> 00:11:28,732
Speaker 8: go the slower your reaction times. So just a couple

247
00:11:28,732 --> 00:11:30,852
Speaker 8: of tips that I use that seem to get through

248
00:11:30,933 --> 00:11:34,933
Speaker 8: to young people. The first one is always follow behind

249
00:11:35,053 --> 00:11:37,612
Speaker 8: someone else if you can, so don't be the first

250
00:11:37,693 --> 00:11:41,412
Speaker 8: guy in the queue. If something's going to happen, it

251
00:11:41,612 --> 00:11:45,093
Speaker 8: helps your reaction times, So always follow in behind someone

252
00:11:45,333 --> 00:11:48,373
Speaker 8: as long as they're doing the speed limit. The second

253
00:11:48,413 --> 00:11:53,612
Speaker 8: one is, pretend you're driving a really expensive supercar. You

254
00:11:53,693 --> 00:11:57,252
Speaker 8: know whatever cars your dream car. Pretend that's what you're driving,

255
00:11:57,372 --> 00:11:59,333
Speaker 8: and you don't want any bugger to hit you, right,

256
00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:03,973
Speaker 8: it's your precious car. The third one is, as I said,

257
00:12:04,132 --> 00:12:07,133
Speaker 8: as you drive faster, the faster you drive, the slower

258
00:12:07,173 --> 00:12:10,053
Speaker 8: your reaction times are. So it's a lot different than

259
00:12:10,132 --> 00:12:13,813
Speaker 8: being in the city. The fourth one is assume everyone

260
00:12:13,933 --> 00:12:16,733
Speaker 8: else is a toss us. So everyone else is out

261
00:12:16,773 --> 00:12:20,053
Speaker 8: to get you at the game, right, So everyone else

262
00:12:20,293 --> 00:12:22,492
Speaker 8: is an incompetent driver, and you're the only one on

263
00:12:22,573 --> 00:12:24,532
Speaker 8: the road that is, you know, play up to their ego.

264
00:12:24,612 --> 00:12:26,653
Speaker 8: You're the only one that's the best driver on the road.

265
00:12:27,053 --> 00:12:30,052
Speaker 8: So your job is to avoid everyone. You've got to

266
00:12:30,093 --> 00:12:33,492
Speaker 8: be hyper aware of what's happening three sixty around the

267
00:12:33,573 --> 00:12:37,372
Speaker 8: caratal times. And the last one is don't be a

268
00:12:37,492 --> 00:12:41,013
Speaker 8: dick like I think you know they at that age,

269
00:12:41,093 --> 00:12:43,573
Speaker 8: they all want to be a noor You see it.

270
00:12:44,252 --> 00:12:46,413
Speaker 8: You know, they get in the car and suddenly they

271
00:12:46,453 --> 00:12:48,613
Speaker 8: adrenaline hits and they put their foot down.

272
00:12:48,492 --> 00:12:49,093
Speaker 9: To show off.

273
00:12:49,773 --> 00:12:53,573
Speaker 8: Just don't be a dick'll and that'll save most of

274
00:12:53,653 --> 00:12:57,293
Speaker 8: the issues that they have. They can control what happens

275
00:12:57,372 --> 00:13:00,492
Speaker 8: with them, they can't control what happens on the road,

276
00:13:00,892 --> 00:13:04,653
Speaker 8: So it's just about motivating them to be hyper aware

277
00:13:04,732 --> 00:13:05,373
Speaker 8: at all times.

278
00:13:05,533 --> 00:13:06,652
Speaker 10: It's exhausting for them.

279
00:13:07,012 --> 00:13:09,093
Speaker 2: Sonya, do you think people have a better attitude when

280
00:13:09,093 --> 00:13:11,573
Speaker 2: they're younger to driving than they used to, Because when

281
00:13:11,612 --> 00:13:14,252
Speaker 2: I was driving, I mean I was absolutely terrible. I

282
00:13:14,372 --> 00:13:16,252
Speaker 2: thought that my job was just to get ahead of

283
00:13:16,293 --> 00:13:18,372
Speaker 2: the person in front of me. I used to treat

284
00:13:18,453 --> 00:13:22,053
Speaker 2: going between cities as a race, and I can't believe

285
00:13:22,612 --> 00:13:24,892
Speaker 2: I look back on that with so much shame. Where

286
00:13:24,933 --> 00:13:26,813
Speaker 2: do I get that and the risks I take? And

287
00:13:26,892 --> 00:13:28,933
Speaker 2: I'm just so glad I didn't injure anyone out there,

288
00:13:29,012 --> 00:13:33,813
Speaker 2: because you know that, I think somehow I got that.

289
00:13:34,173 --> 00:13:35,573
Speaker 2: Someone must have taught me that, or was that just

290
00:13:35,653 --> 00:13:37,532
Speaker 2: because I was an idiot young man, and I just

291
00:13:38,252 --> 00:13:39,973
Speaker 2: was full of testosone. I don't know what it was,

292
00:13:40,053 --> 00:13:41,252
Speaker 2: but I always thought I had to be the head

293
00:13:41,293 --> 00:13:42,132
Speaker 2: of the person in front of me.

294
00:13:43,612 --> 00:13:46,732
Speaker 8: Father are faster these days, I think that's what's more frightening. Yes,

295
00:13:46,813 --> 00:13:50,813
Speaker 8: they're safer, but they are faster. And the other thing

296
00:13:50,933 --> 00:13:53,933
Speaker 8: is is we all used to drive duggers, right, Your

297
00:13:53,973 --> 00:13:56,733
Speaker 8: first car was an absolute dunger, and so you could

298
00:13:56,773 --> 00:13:59,612
Speaker 8: only go so fast. I mean, it's speed that kills

299
00:13:59,653 --> 00:14:03,453
Speaker 8: at the end of the day, right, And and you

300
00:14:03,533 --> 00:14:05,532
Speaker 8: know we all used to It was a game, wasn't it,

301
00:14:05,653 --> 00:14:09,012
Speaker 8: to get from you know, Auckland to what ever, you know,

302
00:14:09,173 --> 00:14:10,253
Speaker 8: as quickly as you could.

303
00:14:10,773 --> 00:14:11,933
Speaker 11: But I think that.

304
00:14:12,132 --> 00:14:15,453
Speaker 8: Cars these days, they are a lot faster. Like doing

305
00:14:15,492 --> 00:14:18,573
Speaker 8: one hundred k. You don't realize you're doing one hundred k.

306
00:14:19,213 --> 00:14:22,293
Speaker 8: It feels so comfortable. It feels like you're doing fifty

307
00:14:22,373 --> 00:14:26,013
Speaker 8: K than my first car, which was a Triumpherald. Right,

308
00:14:26,333 --> 00:14:28,373
Speaker 8: you do one hundred k and a Triumpherald, you know

309
00:14:28,533 --> 00:14:32,613
Speaker 8: you're doing one hundred k. But some of these, so

310
00:14:32,973 --> 00:14:36,693
Speaker 8: I'm with you. Cruse control is a fantastic thing. And

311
00:14:37,213 --> 00:14:40,093
Speaker 8: kids these days I think they are were responsible. They're

312
00:14:40,173 --> 00:14:43,093
Speaker 8: used to One of the big things about new cars

313
00:14:43,213 --> 00:14:45,453
Speaker 8: is they can be really distracting. There's a lot of

314
00:14:45,533 --> 00:14:48,973
Speaker 8: buttons to push, there's a lot of information, there's heads

315
00:14:49,053 --> 00:14:51,253
Speaker 8: up display. I mean, we used to just getting the

316
00:14:51,333 --> 00:14:53,053
Speaker 8: car and drive for May to B and it wasn't

317
00:14:53,093 --> 00:14:57,133
Speaker 8: that complicated. So you know, they are used to more

318
00:14:57,213 --> 00:15:00,373
Speaker 8: tech than we are, but it can be quite distracting.

319
00:15:00,613 --> 00:15:03,693
Speaker 8: So I wouldn't let a kid drive on open road

320
00:15:04,213 --> 00:15:09,733
Speaker 8: until they had a lot of natural confidence around safety.

321
00:15:10,693 --> 00:15:14,333
Speaker 8: Just being able to drive isn't the answer. It's being

322
00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:18,412
Speaker 8: able to drive defensively is the answer, and to be

323
00:15:18,453 --> 00:15:20,093
Speaker 8: able to have great reaction time.

324
00:15:20,293 --> 00:15:22,333
Speaker 2: It's interesting, sonya, because I'm thinking about maybe going the

325
00:15:22,373 --> 00:15:26,412
Speaker 2: other way, giving my kid my car with the adaptive

326
00:15:26,493 --> 00:15:29,973
Speaker 2: cruise control and all the bells and whistles and credical

327
00:15:29,973 --> 00:15:33,013
Speaker 2: amount of safety stuff in that car, and maybe I'll

328
00:15:33,053 --> 00:15:36,493
Speaker 2: get the Maybe I'll buy myself a Triumph Hera loving cars,

329
00:15:38,173 --> 00:15:39,973
Speaker 2: So if the money, the money is going to be

330
00:15:40,013 --> 00:15:42,253
Speaker 2: spent on a car, I'd rather it was my son

331
00:15:42,413 --> 00:15:44,413
Speaker 2: driving around in the super safe mobile.

332
00:15:45,413 --> 00:15:48,333
Speaker 8: Yeah no, no, I'm talking about tech, you know, tech

333
00:15:48,453 --> 00:15:52,053
Speaker 8: for the sacred tech. I'm not talking about safety text.

334
00:15:52,173 --> 00:15:54,093
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm bringing up another hissory, but yeah,

335
00:15:54,093 --> 00:15:56,532
Speaker 2: thank you for your call. Sonya. Absolutely, cars have a

336
00:15:56,573 --> 00:15:59,133
Speaker 2: lot of distractions and them and that's a whole other

337
00:15:59,213 --> 00:16:01,453
Speaker 2: issue as well. Yeah, before we even get into the

338
00:16:02,253 --> 00:16:05,653
Speaker 2: distraction in their pocket, that's got to stay there.

339
00:16:05,773 --> 00:16:07,733
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of tech in those cars now.

340
00:16:08,333 --> 00:16:10,333
Speaker 3: It hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

341
00:16:10,413 --> 00:16:12,733
Speaker 3: What advice do you give to your kids when driving

342
00:16:12,773 --> 00:16:14,733
Speaker 3: on the open road? So many texts comes through on

343
00:16:14,813 --> 00:16:16,933
Speaker 3: nine to nine two, But love to hear your thoughts.

344
00:16:16,973 --> 00:16:18,933
Speaker 2: We're muddling two things up as well, because we're talking

345
00:16:18,933 --> 00:16:21,653
Speaker 2: about these new speed cameras on trailers that are being

346
00:16:21,893 --> 00:16:25,573
Speaker 2: wheeled out by NZTA. This texta says just revenue gathering.

347
00:16:25,693 --> 00:16:25,973
Speaker 2: That's it.

348
00:16:26,333 --> 00:16:28,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, can you hear your views on that

349
00:16:28,133 --> 00:16:31,373
Speaker 3: as well. It is twenty four past one, putting the.

350
00:16:31,413 --> 00:16:34,853
Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers, the Mike asking breakfast.

351
00:16:34,853 --> 00:16:37,412
Speaker 2: It's a big aviation action plan. James Mega is the

352
00:16:37,413 --> 00:16:40,213
Speaker 2: Associate Minister of Transport. Is this a fix a revolution

353
00:16:40,413 --> 00:16:40,853
Speaker 2: or a bit of a.

354
00:16:40,893 --> 00:16:43,213
Speaker 12: Prot It'll fix some issues, but it also a little

355
00:16:43,213 --> 00:16:45,333
Speaker 12: bit future looking about advanced aviation.

356
00:16:45,573 --> 00:16:47,093
Speaker 6: How do we get for the use out of drone.

357
00:16:47,173 --> 00:16:48,933
Speaker 2: What's the hole up with pilots that people don't want

358
00:16:48,933 --> 00:16:50,933
Speaker 2: to be a pilot? Is it too expensive? What's going

359
00:16:50,973 --> 00:16:51,493
Speaker 2: on again?

360
00:16:51,613 --> 00:16:52,373
Speaker 6: A mix of both.

361
00:16:52,653 --> 00:16:54,333
Speaker 12: It is quite expensive to be a pilot, about one

362
00:16:54,373 --> 00:16:56,773
Speaker 12: hundred thousand dollars to train. It takes slightly longer to

363
00:16:56,853 --> 00:16:57,853
Speaker 12: train here in New Zealand.

364
00:16:57,893 --> 00:16:59,733
Speaker 2: Somebody told me there's a loan cap on training to

365
00:16:59,773 --> 00:17:00,693
Speaker 2: be a pilot. Is that true?

366
00:17:00,773 --> 00:17:03,013
Speaker 12: Yeah, there is some statistics that showed that it took

367
00:17:03,093 --> 00:17:04,973
Speaker 12: quite a while for those loans to be paid back

368
00:17:05,013 --> 00:17:06,693
Speaker 12: and the industry has called for that to be looked

369
00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:08,173
Speaker 12: at and that is part of the action.

370
00:17:08,333 --> 00:17:11,093
Speaker 2: IM back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast

371
00:17:11,253 --> 00:17:13,413
Speaker 2: with a Vita News Talk ZV.

372
00:17:14,813 --> 00:17:17,573
Speaker 3: Twenty seven past one. So we started the conversation about

373
00:17:17,573 --> 00:17:20,533
Speaker 3: these new inconspicuous speed cameras, but a lot of people

374
00:17:20,653 --> 00:17:22,973
Speaker 3: also want to have a chat about advice that you

375
00:17:23,053 --> 00:17:24,573
Speaker 3: give to your children driving in the open road.

376
00:17:25,773 --> 00:17:27,973
Speaker 2: Jim says, they call them safety cameras, but there's nothing

377
00:17:28,053 --> 00:17:33,933
Speaker 2: safe about everyone slamming their brakes on at a given point. James,

378
00:17:34,253 --> 00:17:34,893
Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

379
00:17:36,093 --> 00:17:37,853
Speaker 7: Yeah, Hey, yeah, I totally reckon.

380
00:17:37,933 --> 00:17:42,773
Speaker 4: It's revenue gathering, because it was about public safety. They'd

381
00:17:42,813 --> 00:17:45,213
Speaker 4: sort of make them bright orange so everyone could see

382
00:17:45,493 --> 00:17:48,853
Speaker 4: and they would essentially slow down, and they could put them.

383
00:17:49,053 --> 00:17:52,653
Speaker 4: They could put them everywhere, so as if the whole

384
00:17:52,693 --> 00:17:54,613
Speaker 4: of the roads monitored and that would actually get people

385
00:17:54,653 --> 00:17:55,453
Speaker 4: to drop their speed.

386
00:17:56,373 --> 00:17:58,853
Speaker 3: I tend to agree with that, James. I mean because

387
00:17:58,853 --> 00:18:01,053
Speaker 3: they say in this article that it's about reducing the

388
00:18:01,133 --> 00:18:03,653
Speaker 3: crashes and reducing speed in these high risk areas. So

389
00:18:03,693 --> 00:18:06,733
Speaker 3: if you want localized speed reduction, then sign postings the

390
00:18:06,773 --> 00:18:10,532
Speaker 3: way to go. But I will say, having a look

391
00:18:10,573 --> 00:18:12,532
Speaker 3: at the international research and in New Zealand, it does

392
00:18:12,613 --> 00:18:14,973
Speaker 3: seem to be that heading cameras in general, if you

393
00:18:15,053 --> 00:18:18,533
Speaker 3: want an overall reduction in speed, tends to be a

394
00:18:18,613 --> 00:18:19,093
Speaker 3: better option.

395
00:18:19,813 --> 00:18:20,013
Speaker 13: Yeah.

396
00:18:20,013 --> 00:18:21,933
Speaker 2: It's interesting because in this in this article it says

397
00:18:22,093 --> 00:18:26,773
Speaker 2: evidence suggests unsigned mobile cameras are more effective at reducing crashes,

398
00:18:26,813 --> 00:18:29,532
Speaker 2: but they don't actually give you the that report.

399
00:18:29,973 --> 00:18:32,453
Speaker 4: Yeah, but how can they have the statistics on that

400
00:18:32,573 --> 00:18:35,333
Speaker 4: when the cameras move from different places?

401
00:18:36,613 --> 00:18:38,293
Speaker 3: Very good question, Yeah, very good question.

402
00:18:38,493 --> 00:18:42,333
Speaker 2: I want to work. And entirely depends where you choose

403
00:18:42,373 --> 00:18:44,413
Speaker 2: to put those cameras, doesn't it, Because are our places

404
00:18:44,573 --> 00:18:47,813
Speaker 2: as you say, James, that are purely revenue gathering in

405
00:18:47,893 --> 00:18:48,253
Speaker 2: their place.

406
00:18:49,013 --> 00:18:52,253
Speaker 7: On my home on my home drive.

407
00:18:52,493 --> 00:18:54,813
Speaker 4: You know, it's a it's a notorious road where people

408
00:18:54,893 --> 00:18:57,853
Speaker 4: crash and it used to be one hundred k area

409
00:18:57,853 --> 00:19:00,453
Speaker 4: and people would die all the time on that straight.

410
00:19:00,493 --> 00:19:02,813
Speaker 4: When I see people speeding, I just flick my lights

411
00:19:02,853 --> 00:19:04,933
Speaker 4: as if there's a cop on that road, and then

412
00:19:04,973 --> 00:19:06,733
Speaker 4: you see them slam on the brake so that I've

413
00:19:06,773 --> 00:19:09,333
Speaker 4: got my partner, you know, other family members that drive

414
00:19:09,413 --> 00:19:13,493
Speaker 4: on that road. If it was about keeping the road safe,

415
00:19:13,533 --> 00:19:19,813
Speaker 4: they'd put a conspicuous camera there, one that stood out really.

416
00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:24,253
Speaker 4: It would really actually make people slow down versus people

417
00:19:24,333 --> 00:19:28,933
Speaker 4: only slowing down for the possibly like you know, a

418
00:19:29,013 --> 00:19:31,653
Speaker 4: secret camera. You know, people don't. People don't know that

419
00:19:31,733 --> 00:19:35,133
Speaker 4: there's a secret camera there to slow down, and if

420
00:19:35,213 --> 00:19:38,453
Speaker 4: their intention is to speed anyway, then they're just going

421
00:19:38,493 --> 00:19:38,853
Speaker 4: to speed.

422
00:19:39,693 --> 00:19:42,093
Speaker 2: I've never heard of that idea that you would be

423
00:19:42,253 --> 00:19:44,853
Speaker 2: flicking your camera just to slow people down. It's an

424
00:19:44,893 --> 00:19:45,613
Speaker 2: interesting one.

425
00:19:45,653 --> 00:19:46,253
Speaker 3: It's crafty.

426
00:19:46,733 --> 00:19:49,533
Speaker 4: I do it on my on my home straight, just

427
00:19:49,613 --> 00:19:53,413
Speaker 4: particularly around my road because I mean my partner historically

428
00:19:53,533 --> 00:19:58,653
Speaker 4: is written off three cars, and you know, I would

429
00:19:58,733 --> 00:20:03,052
Speaker 4: like to make things safer in my local area. And literally,

430
00:20:03,653 --> 00:20:06,173
Speaker 4: in the twenty years that I've lived in that same road,

431
00:20:07,653 --> 00:20:10,693
Speaker 4: within five hundred meters either way, there's probably been about

432
00:20:10,733 --> 00:20:11,693
Speaker 4: ten fatal pressures.

433
00:20:12,133 --> 00:20:16,213
Speaker 2: Wow, that's horrible. Your partner three written off three cars?

434
00:20:17,213 --> 00:20:20,093
Speaker 2: How's she going? Was all her fault to them?

435
00:20:21,613 --> 00:20:26,413
Speaker 4: So she's Canadian. One one was she reversed into a pole,

436
00:20:26,493 --> 00:20:30,653
Speaker 4: one with black ice, and then the other one she

437
00:20:31,053 --> 00:20:33,493
Speaker 4: just didn't look and pulled off into an intersection.

438
00:20:35,813 --> 00:20:38,373
Speaker 2: Right off your car reversing into a pole. She must

439
00:20:38,413 --> 00:20:40,053
Speaker 2: have been reversing it a face.

440
00:20:40,973 --> 00:20:45,213
Speaker 4: It was a fair rate or not? Yeah, And she

441
00:20:45,293 --> 00:20:48,533
Speaker 4: had actually her parents had actually already sold that car

442
00:20:49,373 --> 00:20:52,853
Speaker 4: and she was just going down to the shops and yeah,

443
00:20:53,013 --> 00:20:55,013
Speaker 4: just slammed it straight back into a post and a

444
00:20:55,093 --> 00:20:55,533
Speaker 4: car park.

445
00:20:55,693 --> 00:20:58,373
Speaker 3: That is gutting. And how's your confidence levels now? She

446
00:20:58,453 --> 00:20:59,933
Speaker 3: thinks it's all behind it now.

447
00:21:01,973 --> 00:21:03,533
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I'd probably say a little

448
00:21:03,573 --> 00:21:04,453
Speaker 4: bit too confident.

449
00:21:05,493 --> 00:21:07,493
Speaker 14: So with her track, my good.

450
00:21:07,533 --> 00:21:09,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell her. Partner loves is when you give

451
00:21:09,773 --> 00:21:12,213
Speaker 2: them a driving instructions when you're in the passenger seat.

452
00:21:12,293 --> 00:21:14,733
Speaker 15: Yeah that she absolutely loves it.

453
00:21:14,893 --> 00:21:17,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, for real bonding experience that one.

454
00:21:17,973 --> 00:21:19,413
Speaker 4: Yeah, big hugs at the end of the drive.

455
00:21:21,133 --> 00:21:23,333
Speaker 3: Thanks for your call, James, Yeah, what a good man.

456
00:21:23,413 --> 00:21:26,613
Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is the text number. The sixer says, Yo, lads,

457
00:21:26,653 --> 00:21:30,572
Speaker 3: why isn't open driving part of the driving test? Good

458
00:21:30,613 --> 00:21:33,093
Speaker 3: advice is to keep a good distance beneath car in

459
00:21:33,173 --> 00:21:36,413
Speaker 3: front and don't break on the corners. Only a full

460
00:21:36,453 --> 00:21:39,373
Speaker 3: breaks the three second rule. But that is a great question.

461
00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:41,573
Speaker 3: I don't know whether they do that in some areas,

462
00:21:41,613 --> 00:21:43,333
Speaker 3: whether they take you on the open road. I never

463
00:21:43,413 --> 00:21:44,613
Speaker 3: went on the open rope when I was doing my

464
00:21:44,693 --> 00:21:45,213
Speaker 3: driver's test.

465
00:21:45,333 --> 00:21:47,333
Speaker 2: No, my son just said a driver's test and they

466
00:21:47,373 --> 00:21:50,333
Speaker 2: were just mucking around in suburban Auckland.

467
00:21:50,453 --> 00:21:51,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, get them one hundred.

468
00:21:51,893 --> 00:21:53,973
Speaker 2: And it does seem if your if your license means

469
00:21:53,973 --> 00:21:56,093
Speaker 2: that you can go out on the open row, then

470
00:21:56,173 --> 00:21:58,053
Speaker 2: you should be able to show that you can drive

471
00:21:58,133 --> 00:21:58,693
Speaker 2: on the open roy.

472
00:21:58,773 --> 00:22:01,052
Speaker 3: Yes, most dangerous area. Oh, eight hundred and eighty. Ten

473
00:22:01,093 --> 00:22:03,413
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. So we are talking

474
00:22:03,453 --> 00:22:07,573
Speaker 3: about these new inconspicuous hidden cameras and also driving advice

475
00:22:07,653 --> 00:22:09,453
Speaker 3: that you've given to you children before they go on

476
00:22:09,573 --> 00:22:12,773
Speaker 3: the open road. It is twenty eight to two back.

477
00:22:12,653 --> 00:22:17,653
Speaker 6: In a MITE News talks there'd be headlines.

478
00:22:17,453 --> 00:22:18,253
Speaker 3: With blue bubble.

479
00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:21,013
Speaker 11: Taxis it's no trouble with the blue bubble. More than

480
00:22:21,133 --> 00:22:24,733
Speaker 11: six hundred South Canterbury properties are without power as heavy

481
00:22:24,853 --> 00:22:27,613
Speaker 11: rain and strong winds at the South Island. In the

482
00:22:27,693 --> 00:22:30,813
Speaker 11: Lower North Island, Wellington and wided Up have strong wind

483
00:22:30,893 --> 00:22:34,213
Speaker 11: warning still tomorrow with up to five meter waves expected

484
00:22:34,293 --> 00:22:38,173
Speaker 11: on the coast near Autucky. No applause for the Health

485
00:22:38,293 --> 00:22:43,013
Speaker 11: Minister after addressing unionized nurses in Wellington. Some nurses turned

486
00:22:43,093 --> 00:22:46,493
Speaker 11: their back during Simeon Brown's speech to the Nurses organization

487
00:22:46,693 --> 00:22:51,133
Speaker 11: conference this morning. Shane Jones has officially been elected as

488
00:22:51,213 --> 00:22:55,453
Speaker 11: the Deputy Leader of New Zealand. First Charlie Kirk's murder

489
00:22:55,493 --> 00:22:59,853
Speaker 11: accused allegedly told his roommate about the fatal shooting. Twenty

490
00:22:59,933 --> 00:23:03,053
Speaker 11: two year old Tyler Robinson is facing seven charges including

491
00:23:03,093 --> 00:23:08,213
Speaker 11: aggravated murder, obstruction of justice and witness tampering. US prosecutors

492
00:23:08,333 --> 00:23:12,493
Speaker 11: are seeking the death penalty. Escape Hide tell is the

493
00:23:12,573 --> 00:23:15,413
Speaker 11: new mantra being introduced to kiwis if they find themselves

494
00:23:15,533 --> 00:23:18,773
Speaker 11: under attack in a crowded place. For Lisa leading the

495
00:23:18,893 --> 00:23:24,333
Speaker 11: Crowded Places strategy as commitments to collective responsibility and Auckland

496
00:23:24,453 --> 00:23:28,893
Speaker 11: Education Technology starts up buys UK firm with twenty million users.

497
00:23:29,173 --> 00:23:31,533
Speaker 11: Find out more at nz hell Premium. Now back to

498
00:23:31,573 --> 00:23:32,773
Speaker 11: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

499
00:23:33,373 --> 00:23:35,493
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Adam, and we are talking about

500
00:23:35,573 --> 00:23:39,773
Speaker 3: these new covert although some people are disagreeing with the

501
00:23:39,813 --> 00:23:42,533
Speaker 3: word covert, but they are in conspicuous speed cameras that

502
00:23:42,613 --> 00:23:45,813
Speaker 3: have been rolled out from today effectively high tech trailers,

503
00:23:46,173 --> 00:23:48,573
Speaker 3: but also asking the question advice that you give to

504
00:23:48,613 --> 00:23:50,013
Speaker 3: your kids before they hit the open road.

505
00:23:50,373 --> 00:23:52,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look the stakes are so high out on

506
00:23:52,733 --> 00:23:54,493
Speaker 2: the road. I mean, this is a tragic text here

507
00:23:54,533 --> 00:23:56,293
Speaker 2: that's come through. I lost my eldest son in a

508
00:23:56,333 --> 00:23:58,693
Speaker 2: car crash. He was the passenger. My next two children

509
00:23:58,733 --> 00:24:01,213
Speaker 2: have learnt a life lesson that there is always consequences

510
00:24:01,253 --> 00:24:03,973
Speaker 2: to your actions or the decisions that you make. So

511
00:24:04,853 --> 00:24:07,733
Speaker 2: children are very My children are very road safe. Thank

512
00:24:07,773 --> 00:24:09,933
Speaker 2: you for your text and really sorry for your loss.

513
00:24:10,053 --> 00:24:12,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that is heartbreaking. David. How are you mate?

514
00:24:13,653 --> 00:24:13,853
Speaker 12: Yeah?

515
00:24:13,933 --> 00:24:16,693
Speaker 16: Good, Yeah, there's those bead camera trailers.

516
00:24:17,053 --> 00:24:21,493
Speaker 13: They've actually been out for the last month, so one

517
00:24:21,653 --> 00:24:24,693
Speaker 13: one's been sitting in between Happy Career and Jackney like

518
00:24:24,853 --> 00:24:28,653
Speaker 13: twenty four seven and then I've seen it on the

519
00:24:28,733 --> 00:24:32,893
Speaker 13: southeastern near Matthew Road twenty four to seven, so you

520
00:24:32,973 --> 00:24:36,933
Speaker 13: know they sit there all night on the motorway. But

521
00:24:37,333 --> 00:24:41,293
Speaker 13: is that is that just gathering where there or is it,

522
00:24:41,573 --> 00:24:43,453
Speaker 13: you know, an excellent spot.

523
00:24:44,173 --> 00:24:46,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fair question. More they say it's in

524
00:24:46,493 --> 00:24:48,933
Speaker 3: high risk areas. But what's your take on, David, do

525
00:24:48,973 --> 00:24:50,973
Speaker 3: you think that is revenue gathering? I didn't realize that

526
00:24:51,133 --> 00:24:53,253
Speaker 3: rolled up out some now, but they're going to be

527
00:24:53,293 --> 00:24:56,293
Speaker 3: putting them around the countrys of today. So do you

528
00:24:56,373 --> 00:24:58,213
Speaker 3: think that is that is fear cop or do you

529
00:24:58,213 --> 00:24:59,213
Speaker 3: think that's a bit underhanded?

530
00:24:59,973 --> 00:25:01,733
Speaker 16: Well, I think it's a bit underhanded. You know, it's

531
00:25:01,733 --> 00:25:05,493
Speaker 16: sitting on a motorway where there's a median barrier. You

532
00:25:05,573 --> 00:25:07,133
Speaker 16: know you're not going to have to hit it on crash,

533
00:25:07,413 --> 00:25:09,893
Speaker 16: and then it's there twenty four hours a day, so

534
00:25:10,653 --> 00:25:13,933
Speaker 16: you know if you go past, you know grounded the

535
00:25:13,973 --> 00:25:17,373
Speaker 16: speed limits one hundred k but you know you can't

536
00:25:17,653 --> 00:25:19,253
Speaker 16: have a head on crash, and how can it be

537
00:25:19,333 --> 00:25:20,493
Speaker 16: a high risk area?

538
00:25:20,933 --> 00:25:23,293
Speaker 2: It's a good question to ask, David. Do you generally

539
00:25:23,373 --> 00:25:25,933
Speaker 2: stick to the speed limit or you ease a little

540
00:25:25,973 --> 00:25:26,373
Speaker 2: over there.

541
00:25:27,493 --> 00:25:28,813
Speaker 16: I have to stick to the speed limit.

542
00:25:30,173 --> 00:25:32,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think more and more people do

543
00:25:32,453 --> 00:25:34,893
Speaker 2: stick to the speed limit. I mean you don't, or

544
00:25:35,133 --> 00:25:37,573
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think out there, David? I

545
00:25:37,653 --> 00:25:40,893
Speaker 2: think more. I think most people are slowing down. Yeah,

546
00:25:41,453 --> 00:25:43,213
Speaker 2: a little bit compared to what it was like in

547
00:25:43,293 --> 00:25:44,693
Speaker 2: the early two thousands.

548
00:25:44,813 --> 00:25:47,573
Speaker 17: Jeez oh, yeah, I think most people do stick to

549
00:25:47,613 --> 00:25:49,693
Speaker 17: the speed limit. And you know, I guess most of

550
00:25:49,773 --> 00:25:53,453
Speaker 17: the time during on the motorways, you know you're not

551
00:25:54,293 --> 00:25:58,093
Speaker 17: really speeding because there's too much traffic that I guess.

552
00:25:58,133 --> 00:26:00,853
Speaker 17: My point is that if it's sitting there at three

553
00:26:00,853 --> 00:26:03,173
Speaker 17: o'clock in the morning and there's no cars on the roads,

554
00:26:03,653 --> 00:26:04,973
Speaker 17: then what is it doing.

555
00:26:05,053 --> 00:26:05,853
Speaker 18: It's just gathering.

556
00:26:07,893 --> 00:26:09,933
Speaker 2: I have said that they're going to put them in

557
00:26:10,093 --> 00:26:13,653
Speaker 2: these areas based on statistics and data, so we'll have

558
00:26:13,653 --> 00:26:14,893
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on that because if they're not

559
00:26:15,013 --> 00:26:17,893
Speaker 2: doing that, then they'll lose the public's trust. Thank you

560
00:26:17,973 --> 00:26:19,253
Speaker 2: for your call, David.

561
00:26:19,333 --> 00:26:21,213
Speaker 3: I mean the motorway is interesting. I've got to say,

562
00:26:21,253 --> 00:26:23,973
Speaker 3: maybe I'm a numpty year, but I do get a

563
00:26:24,053 --> 00:26:26,733
Speaker 3: little bit confused on the Auckland motor Bays about where

564
00:26:26,773 --> 00:26:29,133
Speaker 3: it's eighty and where it's one hundred, because it's not signposted,

565
00:26:29,213 --> 00:26:31,653
Speaker 3: so you start off in an eighty area and then

566
00:26:31,653 --> 00:26:35,133
Speaker 3: at some point it transitions into one hundred, but there's

567
00:26:35,253 --> 00:26:37,413
Speaker 3: no actual signage to say I'm in one hundred now,

568
00:26:37,653 --> 00:26:39,333
Speaker 3: and then it drops back down to eighty in some

569
00:26:39,493 --> 00:26:41,653
Speaker 3: parts of the motorway. So when I come out and

570
00:26:41,813 --> 00:26:44,653
Speaker 3: drive down the southern heading towards Mount Wellington from the city,

571
00:26:44,893 --> 00:26:46,933
Speaker 3: when I come out at Spaghetti Junction, it starts at

572
00:26:46,973 --> 00:26:49,493
Speaker 3: eighty and then at some point along the motorway it

573
00:26:49,573 --> 00:26:52,293
Speaker 3: goes from eighty to a hundy, and I don't actually

574
00:26:52,373 --> 00:26:54,613
Speaker 3: know where that starts. So if this old trailer is

575
00:26:54,653 --> 00:26:58,653
Speaker 3: sitting there and I've unknowingly hit a Hundi when I

576
00:26:58,653 --> 00:27:01,013
Speaker 3: should be going eighty, they're going to sting me in

577
00:27:01,133 --> 00:27:02,933
Speaker 3: twenty k over the limit. That's a big fine.

578
00:27:03,173 --> 00:27:05,173
Speaker 2: Yeah. Can I just say I don't support thirty K

579
00:27:05,693 --> 00:27:08,053
Speaker 2: speed limits within city borders when I'm saying I do

580
00:27:08,133 --> 00:27:11,053
Speaker 2: so sticking to the speed limit, Yeah, I do not

581
00:27:11,093 --> 00:27:13,253
Speaker 2: support sticking to that thirty K speed limit. That is

582
00:27:13,253 --> 00:27:13,973
Speaker 2: an absolute joke.

583
00:27:14,013 --> 00:27:16,053
Speaker 3: Anyway, we need to get those running on our trailers,

584
00:27:16,093 --> 00:27:18,613
Speaker 3: I think, just so people know, right, Oh, one hundred

585
00:27:18,613 --> 00:27:20,532
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call got

586
00:27:20,613 --> 00:27:22,333
Speaker 3: to play some messages. But boy, oh boy, have we

587
00:27:22,413 --> 00:27:24,453
Speaker 3: got some feisty texts coming through.

588
00:27:24,613 --> 00:27:28,493
Speaker 2: The trailer at Takanini has only been there for evaluation. Cheers,

589
00:27:28,693 --> 00:27:31,653
Speaker 2: So I don't think that one's been hanging people just yet.

590
00:27:31,773 --> 00:27:34,653
Speaker 3: Yeah right, it is twenty to two. Back in a mow.

591
00:27:36,093 --> 00:27:38,693
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the lads on eight hundred eighty

592
00:27:38,733 --> 00:27:42,253
Speaker 1: ten eighty Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons used.

593
00:27:42,093 --> 00:27:45,173
Speaker 3: Talk said, be we a good afternoon. It is seventeen

594
00:27:45,413 --> 00:27:49,373
Speaker 3: to two, so we are talking about these inconspicuous speed

595
00:27:49,573 --> 00:27:51,693
Speaker 3: camera trailers that have been rolled out as of today.

596
00:27:52,653 --> 00:27:54,693
Speaker 2: Grant says, as an ex cop, I can tell you

597
00:27:54,773 --> 00:27:56,973
Speaker 2: that driving to speed limit can more often than not

598
00:27:58,613 --> 00:28:00,973
Speaker 2: be too fast if it's wet and or night time,

599
00:28:01,333 --> 00:28:04,013
Speaker 2: which increases the chance of a serious crash. I've driven

600
00:28:04,053 --> 00:28:06,933
Speaker 2: in Australia, Europe, the UK and in the US. Compared

601
00:28:06,933 --> 00:28:09,293
Speaker 2: to drivers in those countries, they may Kiwi drivers look

602
00:28:09,373 --> 00:28:12,893
Speaker 2: like dangerous fools. We need to have the initial driving

603
00:28:12,973 --> 00:28:15,773
Speaker 2: test system like the European countries. You get a province

604
00:28:16,373 --> 00:28:20,773
Speaker 2: provisional license and six months later you have to go

605
00:28:20,893 --> 00:28:23,493
Speaker 2: for a practical drive test before you get a full license.

606
00:28:23,933 --> 00:28:26,693
Speaker 2: We are going to die at some point, however, let's

607
00:28:26,733 --> 00:28:27,773
Speaker 2: not hurry things along.

608
00:28:27,973 --> 00:28:28,893
Speaker 3: It's a good last line.

609
00:28:28,973 --> 00:28:31,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are all going to die at some point. Yeah.

610
00:28:31,173 --> 00:28:33,293
Speaker 3: Deep and also advice.

611
00:28:33,133 --> 00:28:34,733
Speaker 2: But you know you want to stick around as long

612
00:28:34,773 --> 00:28:35,213
Speaker 2: as you can.

613
00:28:35,453 --> 00:28:37,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. Thank you very much for that text.

614
00:28:37,573 --> 00:28:40,093
Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is that number? Get a tash.

615
00:28:41,613 --> 00:28:43,573
Speaker 19: Hi Tyler? How are you?

616
00:28:44,053 --> 00:28:44,293
Speaker 20: Yeah?

617
00:28:44,453 --> 00:28:45,253
Speaker 2: Ah?

618
00:28:46,573 --> 00:28:49,693
Speaker 19: I was just calling to give Tyler hard time about

619
00:28:49,733 --> 00:28:53,493
Speaker 19: his comment about driving through Spaghetti junction and not knowing

620
00:28:53,613 --> 00:28:54,693
Speaker 19: when that turns eighty?

621
00:28:54,973 --> 00:28:55,173
Speaker 3: Yep?

622
00:28:55,653 --> 00:28:57,653
Speaker 19: Do you honestly not know when it turns eighty?

623
00:28:57,853 --> 00:28:59,333
Speaker 3: Nope? No, I don't know when it too.

624
00:28:59,413 --> 00:28:59,853
Speaker 2: Is a HUNDI.

625
00:29:00,253 --> 00:29:02,493
Speaker 3: So I know the eighty the eighties out of Spaghetti Junction,

626
00:29:02,613 --> 00:29:05,013
Speaker 3: and then when I'm on the Southern Motorway heading towards

627
00:29:05,053 --> 00:29:07,533
Speaker 3: Mount Wellington, I got no idea where I can crank

628
00:29:07,573 --> 00:29:08,093
Speaker 3: it to Andy.

629
00:29:08,333 --> 00:29:08,573
Speaker 15: Okay.

630
00:29:09,253 --> 00:29:11,933
Speaker 19: So when you go to the Spaghetti Junction, you can

631
00:29:12,093 --> 00:29:14,453
Speaker 19: turn left off into new Market and then you've got

632
00:29:14,533 --> 00:29:16,813
Speaker 19: another turn off. It takes you out to renew Era

633
00:29:17,533 --> 00:29:19,773
Speaker 19: and just as you pass it tune off. There's a

634
00:29:19,813 --> 00:29:24,493
Speaker 19: big sign that says one hundred right there. No, No,

635
00:29:26,413 --> 00:29:30,053
Speaker 19: I'm a rip I'm on the every day.

636
00:29:32,653 --> 00:29:34,973
Speaker 2: Knowing how you assume that you are and sure that

637
00:29:35,053 --> 00:29:36,973
Speaker 2: you are around just basic things here in the studio,

638
00:29:37,013 --> 00:29:39,413
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with cash on this one. And also

639
00:29:40,573 --> 00:29:43,573
Speaker 2: there everything is so well sewned posted in this country.

640
00:29:46,693 --> 00:29:49,253
Speaker 3: When I started saying this, Tach the look Met gave

641
00:29:49,333 --> 00:29:51,053
Speaker 3: me just from across there. I mean, he was just

642
00:29:51,173 --> 00:29:53,453
Speaker 3: so confused with my statement. He didn't know what to say.

643
00:29:54,813 --> 00:29:55,453
Speaker 21: We've got.

644
00:29:59,213 --> 00:30:02,053
Speaker 19: Time, do you have to I do have to say

645
00:30:02,053 --> 00:30:05,053
Speaker 19: I disagree with Dave about the Regine gathering. I used

646
00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:07,413
Speaker 19: to live in South Aukland and they take and then

647
00:30:07,493 --> 00:30:10,493
Speaker 19: they strup where they've got the speed camera. There are

648
00:30:10,533 --> 00:30:13,653
Speaker 19: some nut bars out there during the day and at night,

649
00:30:14,133 --> 00:30:16,573
Speaker 19: so I fully agree that it should be there. And

650
00:30:17,213 --> 00:30:18,933
Speaker 19: I'm out in we Stalkland now I live in with

651
00:30:19,013 --> 00:30:21,933
Speaker 19: Stokland and when they've got to speak camera now fully

652
00:30:22,093 --> 00:30:24,853
Speaker 19: need to hear it. I've had guys go past me

653
00:30:25,093 --> 00:30:28,093
Speaker 19: clicking out one sixty nearly two hundred and I'm in

654
00:30:28,173 --> 00:30:31,373
Speaker 19: the fast lad and that's just an accident waiting to happen.

655
00:30:31,813 --> 00:30:35,413
Speaker 19: So even if it is readen you gathering, and it

656
00:30:35,573 --> 00:30:39,053
Speaker 19: means it's been put back into the cups and whatever

657
00:30:39,133 --> 00:30:41,893
Speaker 19: they can do to help traffic, then I'm all for it.

658
00:30:42,413 --> 00:30:44,093
Speaker 2: I think if you cool tush anytime you want to

659
00:30:44,373 --> 00:30:46,813
Speaker 2: ring up and give Tyler a serve, I will answer

660
00:30:46,853 --> 00:30:49,773
Speaker 2: your calls. Gary, you're a truckie, so you'd see a

661
00:30:49,813 --> 00:30:50,733
Speaker 2: lot out on the roads.

662
00:30:51,893 --> 00:30:56,853
Speaker 7: Yeah, but firstly, toiler needs glasses because, yeah, I don't

663
00:30:56,893 --> 00:30:59,813
Speaker 7: go through there as much as what goes through there. Yeah,

664
00:31:00,573 --> 00:31:06,053
Speaker 7: even I can see thee hundred signs. Cuky, is there.

665
00:31:05,973 --> 00:31:09,013
Speaker 2: An official out there that can just cancel Tyler's driver's

666
00:31:09,093 --> 00:31:10,893
Speaker 2: license on just on the back of that.

667
00:31:11,613 --> 00:31:13,053
Speaker 3: They have to find me. So as soon as I

668
00:31:13,093 --> 00:31:14,853
Speaker 3: get out of the studio I'm going into hiding for

669
00:31:14,893 --> 00:31:16,173
Speaker 3: a little bit until this blows over.

670
00:31:17,733 --> 00:31:17,973
Speaker 20: Yeah.

671
00:31:18,293 --> 00:31:26,253
Speaker 7: Yeah, addrists your first subject. The Yeah, serious about reducing

672
00:31:26,293 --> 00:31:30,013
Speaker 7: the speed put on point to point cameras. Don't bother

673
00:31:30,133 --> 00:31:32,813
Speaker 7: with the cameras on the side of the road. Speed

674
00:31:32,853 --> 00:31:34,493
Speaker 7: cameras put on point to point.

675
00:31:36,373 --> 00:31:36,573
Speaker 4: Yep.

676
00:31:38,693 --> 00:31:42,613
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so it makes everybody a lot more conscious.

677
00:31:44,933 --> 00:31:48,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, get some eco situation going on there, gears, But yes,

678
00:31:49,333 --> 00:31:53,093
Speaker 3: three b oh, gotcha, gotcha. So the old headden cameras

679
00:31:53,173 --> 00:31:55,733
Speaker 3: you reckon that is just pure revenue gather and if

680
00:31:55,773 --> 00:31:57,333
Speaker 3: you want to slow people down, you've got to tell

681
00:31:57,333 --> 00:31:58,133
Speaker 3: them where the cameras are.

682
00:31:59,613 --> 00:32:04,013
Speaker 7: No, what I'm saying is point to point, so it's

683
00:32:04,133 --> 00:32:08,613
Speaker 7: measured and averaged. So it doesn't mean that matter when

684
00:32:08,773 --> 00:32:13,213
Speaker 7: you speed in that section. If you speed accessfully, you're

685
00:32:13,213 --> 00:32:13,973
Speaker 7: going to get pinged.

686
00:32:14,933 --> 00:32:16,453
Speaker 2: Do we have any of that in New Zealand, because

687
00:32:16,813 --> 00:32:17,613
Speaker 2: they've got that, we do.

688
00:32:17,933 --> 00:32:18,413
Speaker 4: We do have that?

689
00:32:18,693 --> 00:32:20,053
Speaker 2: Right whereabouts have we got that?

690
00:32:21,453 --> 00:32:24,493
Speaker 7: I'm not too sure, but I'm pretty certain if it's

691
00:32:24,573 --> 00:32:26,213
Speaker 7: not already set up as coming.

692
00:32:27,253 --> 00:32:29,533
Speaker 2: It's an interesting one because you know, as a lot

693
00:32:29,533 --> 00:32:31,133
Speaker 2: of people are texting through, if you don't speed, then

694
00:32:31,173 --> 00:32:34,453
Speaker 2: you're not going to get a ticket. And I mean

695
00:32:34,453 --> 00:32:37,253
Speaker 2: there's some truth in truth in that absolutely. And the

696
00:32:37,333 --> 00:32:41,453
Speaker 2: point to point situation is, you know, stops people just

697
00:32:41,493 --> 00:32:43,333
Speaker 2: slamming on their brakes when they see any kind of

698
00:32:43,413 --> 00:32:44,773
Speaker 2: trailer parked on the side of the road.

699
00:32:44,973 --> 00:32:45,453
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

700
00:32:47,613 --> 00:32:51,773
Speaker 7: Now to address your second subject, one of the most

701
00:32:52,093 --> 00:32:55,973
Speaker 7: valuable tips you can give a young fellow just learning

702
00:32:56,053 --> 00:32:59,653
Speaker 7: how to drive as to skin five hundred meters in

703
00:32:59,693 --> 00:33:01,773
Speaker 7: front of them, not lockdown by his feet.

704
00:33:03,053 --> 00:33:04,653
Speaker 2: Yes, right, because.

705
00:33:06,453 --> 00:33:08,973
Speaker 7: You know, if you know, like with maybe in a

706
00:33:09,013 --> 00:33:13,933
Speaker 7: truck driver, I'm constantly skinning way up the road, so

707
00:33:14,213 --> 00:33:17,653
Speaker 7: I'm my ware of I see any movement happening up

708
00:33:17,693 --> 00:33:20,733
Speaker 7: the road. It's not going to be a sudden shock.

709
00:33:20,893 --> 00:33:26,053
Speaker 7: Oh what's that? And I see too many people still

710
00:33:26,493 --> 00:33:29,573
Speaker 7: drive and just looking at the road right in front

711
00:33:29,573 --> 00:33:29,973
Speaker 7: of the car.

712
00:33:30,653 --> 00:33:31,973
Speaker 2: So do you think there might be a problem. Do

713
00:33:32,013 --> 00:33:33,933
Speaker 2: you think there might be a problem? Gary with adaptive

714
00:33:34,053 --> 00:33:37,133
Speaker 2: cruise control that I've been talking up the merits of,

715
00:33:37,333 --> 00:33:39,853
Speaker 2: because that that is lot. You kind of get into

716
00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:42,493
Speaker 2: a situation where you're just in a cruise control train,

717
00:33:42,653 --> 00:33:45,173
Speaker 2: you're locked in the car behind you, and you're maybe

718
00:33:45,253 --> 00:33:48,373
Speaker 2: not looking at potential things further down the track.

719
00:33:49,973 --> 00:33:52,573
Speaker 7: No, because I use adaptive cruise control on the scar

720
00:33:52,613 --> 00:33:56,293
Speaker 7: and all the time wherever I can switch it on,

721
00:33:56,373 --> 00:34:00,173
Speaker 7: I switched it on, and I'll tell you what, driving

722
00:34:00,253 --> 00:34:02,253
Speaker 7: and fog it's the best thing.

723
00:34:02,773 --> 00:34:07,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's lots of people texting and saying adaptive true

724
00:34:07,213 --> 00:34:10,773
Speaker 2: control makes you a terrible driver, but I don't get that.

725
00:34:10,893 --> 00:34:11,333
Speaker 20: I love it.

726
00:34:11,533 --> 00:34:12,013
Speaker 2: I love it.

727
00:34:12,133 --> 00:34:14,613
Speaker 3: That's what you need because just cruise control means you've

728
00:34:14,652 --> 00:34:17,093
Speaker 3: still got to be monitoring and you just can't leave

729
00:34:17,133 --> 00:34:18,453
Speaker 3: it on. You've still got to you know, you can

730
00:34:18,533 --> 00:34:18,813
Speaker 3: lock in.

731
00:34:18,853 --> 00:34:21,133
Speaker 2: That three second rule. Gary, with the depth of cruise control.

732
00:34:22,173 --> 00:34:25,212
Speaker 7: Yeah, but the depth of cruise control, that's one least

733
00:34:25,213 --> 00:34:27,933
Speaker 7: thing I've got to worry about, so I don't have

734
00:34:28,013 --> 00:34:30,853
Speaker 7: to worry about my speed. I can concentrate on other things,

735
00:34:30,973 --> 00:34:33,933
Speaker 7: like scanting what's going on up ahead of me. It's

736
00:34:34,053 --> 00:34:38,133
Speaker 7: like you say, been on the road train you can

737
00:34:38,213 --> 00:34:43,693
Speaker 7: see car brakes coming on, five sixteen cars up in

738
00:34:43,773 --> 00:34:44,173
Speaker 7: front of you.

739
00:34:44,333 --> 00:34:44,493
Speaker 10: Yeah.

740
00:34:44,693 --> 00:34:46,333
Speaker 7: Yeah, one hundred cars up in front of you.

741
00:34:47,133 --> 00:34:50,013
Speaker 2: Hey, I mean that sounds like great advice. Thank you

742
00:34:50,093 --> 00:34:50,253
Speaker 2: for that.

743
00:34:50,373 --> 00:34:50,613
Speaker 22: Gary.

744
00:34:50,933 --> 00:34:52,493
Speaker 2: As a truck driver, this is just a question I'm

745
00:34:52,493 --> 00:34:54,373
Speaker 2: wondering about because you know it takes longer, you've got

746
00:34:54,413 --> 00:34:56,893
Speaker 2: more masks. Do you run the three second rule in

747
00:34:56,973 --> 00:34:57,733
Speaker 2: a truck or is it?

748
00:34:57,893 --> 00:34:58,013
Speaker 17: Is it?

749
00:34:58,293 --> 00:34:58,613
Speaker 15: Do you do?

750
00:34:58,653 --> 00:35:00,053
Speaker 2: You go but further back.

751
00:35:03,573 --> 00:35:07,053
Speaker 7: Spending on the road connections. That depends on everything like

752
00:35:08,173 --> 00:35:10,293
Speaker 7: the and I've got my adept of cruise control. I'm

753
00:35:10,333 --> 00:35:13,893
Speaker 7: on following behind another truck control you know, probably sitting

754
00:35:14,493 --> 00:35:18,652
Speaker 7: no good a meters back from them. He gives those

755
00:35:18,733 --> 00:35:21,693
Speaker 7: that want to overtake a safe room to jump in

756
00:35:21,813 --> 00:35:24,613
Speaker 7: between us, and you just meet plenty of time to

757
00:35:24,693 --> 00:35:26,133
Speaker 7: react if something goes wrong.

758
00:35:26,533 --> 00:35:27,973
Speaker 2: I think if you call Gary good to know that

759
00:35:28,013 --> 00:35:30,733
Speaker 2: there's people out on the roads like Gary, Yeah, absolutely,

760
00:35:31,173 --> 00:35:33,692
Speaker 2: who driver in a safe and respectful manner?

761
00:35:33,733 --> 00:35:37,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, good on you. Gary. Now forgive me for not

762
00:35:37,653 --> 00:35:39,453
Speaker 3: believing what Tash was saying. But I've just been on

763
00:35:39,533 --> 00:35:42,413
Speaker 3: Google Maps and going down the Southern Motorway and i

764
00:35:42,493 --> 00:35:44,693
Speaker 3: can't see a HUNDI sign. I'm at Market Road and

765
00:35:44,773 --> 00:35:46,772
Speaker 3: there's no HOUNDI signed where it is you're.

766
00:35:46,693 --> 00:35:49,293
Speaker 2: Calling Tasha Lie? Well, my friend tashall lie all.

767
00:35:49,173 --> 00:35:51,172
Speaker 3: Right, Well Google Google Maps will prove her wrong.

768
00:35:51,373 --> 00:35:53,853
Speaker 2: So well, you know, what are you going to believe?

769
00:35:54,613 --> 00:35:58,613
Speaker 2: The Silicon Valley billionaires, a great New Zealand that rang into.

770
00:35:58,573 --> 00:36:01,973
Speaker 3: A cointos right? Oh one hundred eighty? Did eighty? Is

771
00:36:02,053 --> 00:36:02,732
Speaker 3: the numb to call?

772
00:36:02,933 --> 00:36:03,053
Speaker 20: Hey?

773
00:36:03,093 --> 00:36:05,773
Speaker 2: Actually, well, we're talking about trailers on the side of

774
00:36:05,773 --> 00:36:07,773
Speaker 2: the road. I've got a confession that I want to

775
00:36:07,773 --> 00:36:10,413
Speaker 2: make coming up around something terrible I did to a

776
00:36:10,533 --> 00:36:14,333
Speaker 2: Si Barnett's trailer many years ago in christ. This is

777
00:36:14,373 --> 00:36:16,573
Speaker 2: going to be good. I committed a terrible crime and

778
00:36:16,613 --> 00:36:18,213
Speaker 2: I'm going to come I'm plain about that.

779
00:36:18,253 --> 00:36:19,692
Speaker 3: I've hit the stories nine to two.

780
00:36:20,933 --> 00:36:24,493
Speaker 1: Mad Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

781
00:36:24,493 --> 00:36:28,533
Speaker 1: and eighty. It's mad Heathen Tylor Adams afternoons.

782
00:36:28,053 --> 00:36:28,893
Speaker 6: News dogs b.

783
00:36:30,733 --> 00:36:33,853
Speaker 2: It is six to two, Luke says Tyler. The damn

784
00:36:33,933 --> 00:36:37,013
Speaker 2: sign is on the barrier in the center. Open your

785
00:36:37,093 --> 00:36:40,173
Speaker 2: eyes instead of daydreaming on the road. You're getting absolutely

786
00:36:40,213 --> 00:36:44,493
Speaker 2: punished from people that drive up that area all the time. Andrew,

787
00:36:44,613 --> 00:36:48,133
Speaker 2: cameras in the UK, how do they work? Weird question?

788
00:36:48,493 --> 00:36:51,933
Speaker 23: Yeah, thanks guys, really good, really good subject. I was

789
00:36:51,973 --> 00:36:55,172
Speaker 23: in the UK four weeks and there's cameras that are

790
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,732
Speaker 23: doing point to point, as the other guy was saying, yeah,

791
00:36:57,853 --> 00:37:00,333
Speaker 23: so they're taking the average speed and you note this

792
00:37:00,533 --> 00:37:02,053
Speaker 23: for people slow down.

793
00:37:03,253 --> 00:37:04,573
Speaker 18: Also a couple of other things.

794
00:37:04,733 --> 00:37:06,893
Speaker 23: Most of the trucks are in the left hand lane,

795
00:37:07,533 --> 00:37:11,533
Speaker 23: and always in the UK this whole idea of move

796
00:37:11,613 --> 00:37:14,973
Speaker 23: to the left, so you don't get this this tailgating

797
00:37:15,053 --> 00:37:18,333
Speaker 23: with somebody trying to pass somebody. I do have to

798
00:37:18,413 --> 00:37:21,213
Speaker 23: say some people were driving at one hundred and one

799
00:37:21,333 --> 00:37:23,613
Speaker 23: hundred and twenty one hundred and twenty miles an hour

800
00:37:23,693 --> 00:37:26,212
Speaker 23: on the road while I'm doing my seventy miles an hour,

801
00:37:26,333 --> 00:37:29,693
Speaker 23: So that is a problem, but very very few problems.

802
00:37:31,253 --> 00:37:33,333
Speaker 2: That's good to know. I thank you. Yeah, bring some

803
00:37:33,413 --> 00:37:34,133
Speaker 2: of that stuff over here.

804
00:37:34,173 --> 00:37:35,533
Speaker 3: I think we're bad drivers.

805
00:37:35,693 --> 00:37:42,093
Speaker 2: Owen, welcome to the show. Oh, Owen's in the kitchen. Yeah,

806
00:37:42,133 --> 00:37:45,733
Speaker 2: he sounds like he's in a cutlery drawer. Get a Owen, Owen.

807
00:37:46,493 --> 00:37:48,613
Speaker 3: Ohwen, I wonder what he's cooking.

808
00:37:49,213 --> 00:37:52,373
Speaker 2: Okay, Owen, all right, we'll wait till Owen gets as

809
00:37:52,493 --> 00:37:55,053
Speaker 2: whatever he's doing, gets the spoon out of the drawer.

810
00:37:55,093 --> 00:37:56,252
Speaker 3: Yeah, we might come back to Owen.

811
00:37:57,093 --> 00:37:58,853
Speaker 2: So, as I was saying before a terrible crime, I

812
00:37:58,893 --> 00:38:02,373
Speaker 2: committed to a side Barnett trailer. Yes this was quite

813
00:38:02,373 --> 00:38:04,732
Speaker 2: a few years ago, but I was working for Radio

814
00:38:04,773 --> 00:38:07,213
Speaker 2: Hurdeche and we were driving around the Radio Hurdechet. We

815
00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:12,853
Speaker 2: saw a billboard for Cybarnett and Gary McCormick and we

816
00:38:13,173 --> 00:38:14,533
Speaker 2: and it was just parked on the side of the road,

817
00:38:14,573 --> 00:38:16,213
Speaker 2: this trailer. And this is how it plays into these

818
00:38:16,253 --> 00:38:17,573
Speaker 2: trailers that have been put on the side of the

819
00:38:17,613 --> 00:38:22,933
Speaker 2: road by a NCTA. They speak everyone's and we just

820
00:38:23,013 --> 00:38:24,893
Speaker 2: noticed it wasn't locked at all. So we just attached

821
00:38:24,973 --> 00:38:27,573
Speaker 2: the trailer to the back of our you and we

822
00:38:27,733 --> 00:38:28,133
Speaker 2: just stole it.

823
00:38:29,293 --> 00:38:32,373
Speaker 3: See Cybarnet too, trusting mate, lock your trailer like your

824
00:38:32,413 --> 00:38:33,173
Speaker 3: bloody trailer.

825
00:38:33,253 --> 00:38:36,253
Speaker 2: But then we realized that we were idiots because we

826
00:38:36,293 --> 00:38:38,212
Speaker 2: had stolen their trailer, and then we were just driving

827
00:38:38,293 --> 00:38:40,453
Speaker 2: around town promoting a rival radio station.

828
00:38:40,613 --> 00:38:42,733
Speaker 3: It was great advertising for them, so then in the

829
00:38:42,853 --> 00:38:44,692
Speaker 3: end the joke was on us. Yeah, very good, right,

830
00:38:44,773 --> 00:38:47,293
Speaker 3: great discussion. Thank you very much to everyone who called

831
00:38:47,573 --> 00:38:50,493
Speaker 3: anticks on that one. Coming up after two o'clock. If

832
00:38:50,533 --> 00:38:52,773
Speaker 3: you've gone through pilot training, we're keen to hear from you.

833
00:38:52,853 --> 00:38:55,493
Speaker 3: There might be changes on the way, but keen to

834
00:38:55,573 --> 00:38:57,772
Speaker 3: hear your experiences. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

835
00:38:58,013 --> 00:38:59,933
Speaker 3: is the number to call. Nine two nine two's the

836
00:39:00,093 --> 00:39:02,053
Speaker 3: text number you're listening to Matt and Tyler. Hope you

837
00:39:02,093 --> 00:39:02,933
Speaker 3: having a great afternoon.

838
00:39:04,173 --> 00:39:05,853
Speaker 6: Talking with you all afternoon.

839
00:39:06,253 --> 00:39:10,373
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams news dog Zibby.

840
00:39:11,413 --> 00:39:13,733
Speaker 3: Good Adie, welcome back into the program. It is seven

841
00:39:13,893 --> 00:39:16,693
Speaker 3: passed too. Really good to have you with us as always,

842
00:39:16,733 --> 00:39:19,333
Speaker 3: So let's get into this New Zealand's aviation sector. It's

843
00:39:19,333 --> 00:39:22,333
Speaker 3: facing a critical pilot shortage that does threaten the future

844
00:39:22,373 --> 00:39:26,533
Speaker 3: of regional airlines and national connectivity. It was announced at

845
00:39:26,573 --> 00:39:31,933
Speaker 3: the Big Aviation Conference yesterday that the government has started

846
00:39:31,973 --> 00:39:34,333
Speaker 3: a new aviation Action Plan and a big part of

847
00:39:34,413 --> 00:39:37,573
Speaker 3: this plan is exploring how changes to pilot training, student

848
00:39:37,653 --> 00:39:42,133
Speaker 3: loan caps and workforce support aimed to tackle the skills crisis.

849
00:39:43,053 --> 00:39:46,013
Speaker 3: James Mega He is the Associate Minister of Transport for

850
00:39:46,213 --> 00:39:47,772
Speaker 3: the government. Here's a little bit of what he said

851
00:39:47,813 --> 00:39:48,613
Speaker 3: to Mike this morning.

852
00:39:49,013 --> 00:39:50,693
Speaker 12: It is quite expensive to be a pilot, about one

853
00:39:50,733 --> 00:39:53,493
Speaker 12: hundred thousand dollars to train. It takes slightly longer to

854
00:39:53,573 --> 00:39:55,453
Speaker 12: train here in New Zealand and say some of our

855
00:39:55,493 --> 00:39:58,133
Speaker 12: comparable jurisdictions overseas. So we're going to look at how

856
00:39:58,173 --> 00:39:59,893
Speaker 12: do they train their pilots. Is there anything we can

857
00:39:59,933 --> 00:40:03,013
Speaker 12: do to change our qualification framework to make it easier

858
00:40:03,053 --> 00:40:05,973
Speaker 12: and faster to train maintaining safety. That means those pilots

859
00:40:05,973 --> 00:40:07,493
Speaker 12: can get out in the workforce, pay off their loan

860
00:40:07,573 --> 00:40:08,973
Speaker 12: more quickly and have you oportunity to work.

861
00:40:09,053 --> 00:40:09,613
Speaker 15: So that's part of it.

862
00:40:09,653 --> 00:40:12,373
Speaker 12: There's also engineers are other service delivery aspects as well.

863
00:40:12,493 --> 00:40:14,613
Speaker 2: Is there a loan cap on training to be a pilot? Yeah,

864
00:40:14,653 --> 00:40:14,893
Speaker 2: there is.

865
00:40:14,933 --> 00:40:17,213
Speaker 12: It was put in place I think over a decade

866
00:40:17,253 --> 00:40:19,733
Speaker 12: ago and it reflected the fact that there was a

867
00:40:19,933 --> 00:40:23,453
Speaker 12: large cost furden on barring to the commercial pilot, and

868
00:40:23,533 --> 00:40:25,613
Speaker 12: there are statistics that showed that it took quite a

869
00:40:25,653 --> 00:40:27,733
Speaker 12: while for those loans to be paid back and that

870
00:40:27,813 --> 00:40:29,773
Speaker 12: hasn't changed in a few years, and the industry has

871
00:40:29,853 --> 00:40:31,333
Speaker 12: called for that to be looked at, and that is

872
00:40:31,453 --> 00:40:32,653
Speaker 12: part of the action planet.

873
00:40:32,933 --> 00:40:34,692
Speaker 2: But are we looking or are we doing well?

874
00:40:34,773 --> 00:40:37,493
Speaker 12: Realistically, that is a financial cost, and there's always trade

875
00:40:37,493 --> 00:40:39,533
Speaker 12: offs when you've got those financial costs. If we can

876
00:40:40,093 --> 00:40:42,333
Speaker 12: amend the way that the training is delivered and train

877
00:40:42,413 --> 00:40:46,053
Speaker 12: more pilots here and win those training pilots into the workforce,

878
00:40:46,093 --> 00:40:47,653
Speaker 12: they can pay down their loans more quickly.

879
00:40:48,013 --> 00:40:48,692
Speaker 6: It's in the mix.

880
00:40:48,733 --> 00:40:51,093
Speaker 12: It's probably not the solution to the overall problem.

881
00:40:52,013 --> 00:40:53,813
Speaker 3: So there's a lot in there. I mean, just on

882
00:40:53,933 --> 00:40:57,212
Speaker 3: the pilot training himself, he made mention that it takes

883
00:40:57,253 --> 00:41:00,573
Speaker 3: in New Zealand on average eighteen to twenty months. Overseas

884
00:41:00,613 --> 00:41:03,133
Speaker 3: and most jurisdictions that we compare ourselves to it takes

885
00:41:03,293 --> 00:41:05,013
Speaker 3: just a year. And there's a big thing on that

886
00:41:05,933 --> 00:41:07,933
Speaker 3: the loan cap as well. If it's seventy thousand dollars

887
00:41:07,973 --> 00:41:10,253
Speaker 3: you can buy, then you need to find another thirty k.

888
00:41:11,133 --> 00:41:12,053
Speaker 3: That is a big barrier.

889
00:41:12,253 --> 00:41:13,933
Speaker 2: Is it worth it is it a good job to

890
00:41:13,973 --> 00:41:15,973
Speaker 2: be to be a pilot? It be interesting to talk

891
00:41:16,013 --> 00:41:18,253
Speaker 2: to some pilots and say it was worth running up

892
00:41:18,253 --> 00:41:20,493
Speaker 2: one hundred K. You know, can you earn good money?

893
00:41:20,493 --> 00:41:21,773
Speaker 2: I assume you can, But do you I mean, I

894
00:41:21,853 --> 00:41:26,173
Speaker 2: assume you earn great money if you're flying internationally. But

895
00:41:26,293 --> 00:41:28,493
Speaker 2: if you're just fanging around the country in an ATR

896
00:41:28,773 --> 00:41:31,613
Speaker 2: flying an ATR, is that worth running up that kind

897
00:41:31,653 --> 00:41:35,173
Speaker 2: of money? What's the training? Like I always think when pilots,

898
00:41:35,973 --> 00:41:38,853
Speaker 2: you know, you're training, and just the other day we've

899
00:41:38,893 --> 00:41:41,133
Speaker 2: been talking about driving my son, you know, took my

900
00:41:41,213 --> 00:41:44,013
Speaker 2: car for the first time himself. You know, take a license, right,

901
00:41:44,133 --> 00:41:47,733
Speaker 2: big moment, that moment when you're a pilot and you

902
00:41:48,293 --> 00:41:52,732
Speaker 2: do your first solo flight, that must be intense. Yeah,

903
00:41:52,973 --> 00:41:55,693
Speaker 2: that must be an intense moment in your life, taking

904
00:41:55,733 --> 00:41:57,613
Speaker 2: a plane up by yourself.

905
00:41:57,573 --> 00:42:01,653
Speaker 3: That responsibility on your shoulders, and then your first.

906
00:42:01,493 --> 00:42:03,733
Speaker 2: Flight with passengers on the plane, when you've got all

907
00:42:03,773 --> 00:42:06,253
Speaker 2: those souls that you're in charge of. So I love

908
00:42:06,293 --> 00:42:08,533
Speaker 2: to hear from pilots about the training that they went through,

909
00:42:08,693 --> 00:42:11,493
Speaker 2: or any young people that are going through the training now,

910
00:42:12,053 --> 00:42:16,053
Speaker 2: and just what's that first flight? Like, you know, basically

911
00:42:16,653 --> 00:42:18,213
Speaker 2: as I was saying before, I love the whole thing

912
00:42:18,253 --> 00:42:19,933
Speaker 2: about pilots. If I ever run into a pilot, I

913
00:42:19,973 --> 00:42:21,133
Speaker 2: will absolutely punish them.

914
00:42:21,573 --> 00:42:22,293
Speaker 3: It's a cool job.

915
00:42:22,333 --> 00:42:24,013
Speaker 2: If anyone ever tells me that they're a pilot, I

916
00:42:24,053 --> 00:42:25,573
Speaker 2: will punish. Some of the questions I can't have, but

917
00:42:25,653 --> 00:42:29,333
Speaker 2: I think most most Kiwi mails are like that, something

918
00:42:29,333 --> 00:42:31,733
Speaker 2: about pilots when what they do that we're very impressed by.

919
00:42:33,413 --> 00:42:35,533
Speaker 2: But yeah, so anyway, pilot's cool. Want to talk to them?

920
00:42:36,773 --> 00:42:38,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'd love to hear from you. If you

921
00:42:38,933 --> 00:42:41,293
Speaker 3: have gone through the training, What is it like to

922
00:42:41,373 --> 00:42:44,133
Speaker 3: be a pilots and go through that training? And also

923
00:42:44,213 --> 00:42:45,933
Speaker 3: how do you feel about these changes? Is it going

924
00:42:46,013 --> 00:42:48,813
Speaker 3: to make any difference to you or would it make

925
00:42:48,893 --> 00:42:50,493
Speaker 3: difference to the industry as well?

926
00:42:50,653 --> 00:42:53,573
Speaker 2: And it's not just pilots that we're lacking, it's the

927
00:42:53,693 --> 00:42:56,373
Speaker 2: engineers on the ground and the air traffic controllers as well.

928
00:42:56,573 --> 00:42:57,293
Speaker 3: Definitely yep.

929
00:42:57,653 --> 00:42:59,533
Speaker 2: The six is Hi, Matt and Tyler. I'm an air

930
00:42:59,573 --> 00:43:02,053
Speaker 2: traffic controller employed by Earways in z It. I was

931
00:43:02,213 --> 00:43:04,773
Speaker 2: on Auckland approach radar controller for twenty years.

932
00:43:05,093 --> 00:43:05,173
Speaker 20: Now.

933
00:43:05,213 --> 00:43:07,173
Speaker 2: I work in the tower at for Norpai Air Base.

934
00:43:07,453 --> 00:43:09,692
Speaker 2: If you're into adv and won an up close look

935
00:43:09,733 --> 00:43:12,133
Speaker 2: at the world of ATC. I would be happy to

936
00:43:12,253 --> 00:43:13,653
Speaker 2: show you around with a visit.

937
00:43:15,613 --> 00:43:18,893
Speaker 3: Oh mate, you have just made Mad's day. You're about

938
00:43:18,973 --> 00:43:20,573
Speaker 3: to leave the studio right now and drive down to

939
00:43:20,613 --> 00:43:22,652
Speaker 3: FANELPOI aren't you. I mean, that's a hell of an

940
00:43:22,693 --> 00:43:24,813
Speaker 3: invitation and Matt will happily accept that.

941
00:43:25,053 --> 00:43:28,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. You

942
00:43:28,653 --> 00:43:30,893
Speaker 2: know what are the problems in the aviation sector. If

943
00:43:30,893 --> 00:43:32,093
Speaker 2: you're in there, we'd love to hear from you.

944
00:43:32,293 --> 00:43:34,613
Speaker 3: It is eleven past two, back very shortly.

945
00:43:34,733 --> 00:43:36,813
Speaker 2: And what makes it so cool? Wow?

946
00:43:37,733 --> 00:43:42,573
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams Afternoons.

947
00:43:42,093 --> 00:43:45,133
Speaker 6: Call eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk Sai'd be.

948
00:43:47,013 --> 00:43:48,613
Speaker 3: For a good afternoon to you. So we're talking to

949
00:43:48,693 --> 00:43:52,453
Speaker 3: proposed changes to how pilots train in New Zealand. As

950
00:43:52,493 --> 00:43:54,933
Speaker 3: it stands, it is one of the hardest places in

951
00:43:55,013 --> 00:43:57,053
Speaker 3: the world to train as a pilot in terms of

952
00:43:57,133 --> 00:43:59,652
Speaker 3: how many a man hours or flight hours you need

953
00:43:59,733 --> 00:44:01,933
Speaker 3: in terms of the cost. So if you've gone through

954
00:44:01,973 --> 00:44:03,053
Speaker 3: that process, love to hear from you.

955
00:44:03,373 --> 00:44:05,373
Speaker 2: What's crazy about this whole thing is I had no

956
00:44:05,413 --> 00:44:07,733
Speaker 2: idea that we had a shortage of pilots. I always

957
00:44:07,773 --> 00:44:09,773
Speaker 2: thought that the problem was around the other way, that

958
00:44:09,933 --> 00:44:11,333
Speaker 2: there was a lot of people training for pilots and

959
00:44:11,333 --> 00:44:14,813
Speaker 2: they couldn't get their jobs. So it's interesting. I'd be

960
00:44:14,853 --> 00:44:17,333
Speaker 2: interested to know why there is a loss of pilots.

961
00:44:17,333 --> 00:44:19,573
Speaker 2: Where did they go? Yeah, where did all the pilots go? Well,

962
00:44:19,613 --> 00:44:21,333
Speaker 2: this Texas is he team been a pilot for twenty

963
00:44:21,373 --> 00:44:24,733
Speaker 2: two years, worth eleven thousand hours in helicopter. Myself and

964
00:44:24,813 --> 00:44:27,373
Speaker 2: many pilot mates have left the industry as we're not

965
00:44:27,533 --> 00:44:30,613
Speaker 2: valued or listened to. So they're losing so many valued

966
00:44:30,693 --> 00:44:32,413
Speaker 2: experience pilots at the moment.

967
00:44:32,613 --> 00:44:35,013
Speaker 3: That is sad. Laretta, how are you?

968
00:44:36,053 --> 00:44:36,533
Speaker 24: I'm all right.

969
00:44:36,573 --> 00:44:38,773
Speaker 25: I'm sitting here at the y Mack white baiting.

970
00:44:39,093 --> 00:44:41,652
Speaker 3: Oh lucky you, And you're not lucky.

971
00:44:41,693 --> 00:44:43,812
Speaker 25: I've been here ten hours and got two white baits.

972
00:44:43,973 --> 00:44:46,212
Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's not much, that's not enough.

973
00:44:47,093 --> 00:44:49,533
Speaker 25: Not good, No, no, I'm ringing about.

974
00:44:50,293 --> 00:44:50,453
Speaker 21: Well.

975
00:44:50,493 --> 00:44:54,493
Speaker 25: I might have it wrong, but my daughter's partner became

976
00:44:54,573 --> 00:45:00,053
Speaker 25: a goddess commercial pilot's license last year. But it just

977
00:45:00,253 --> 00:45:03,973
Speaker 25: can't then just get a job flying. You have to,

978
00:45:04,333 --> 00:45:09,333
Speaker 25: for my understanding, get so many hours up on your record,

979
00:45:09,933 --> 00:45:11,732
Speaker 25: which you can't get in this you've got a job.

980
00:45:12,773 --> 00:45:16,933
Speaker 25: And so he's then did a instructor's course to try

981
00:45:17,013 --> 00:45:19,212
Speaker 25: to get some hours up. So that was more money.

982
00:45:19,373 --> 00:45:22,533
Speaker 25: The original cost of one hundred grand, so then that

983
00:45:22,693 --> 00:45:26,053
Speaker 25: was more money. And then, because that's what everyone has

984
00:45:26,093 --> 00:45:29,453
Speaker 25: to do, you can't really get an instructure's job very easily.

985
00:45:30,053 --> 00:45:33,733
Speaker 25: He's finally got one, but he's on minom right, so

986
00:45:35,173 --> 00:45:36,772
Speaker 25: you know it's not good.

987
00:45:37,453 --> 00:45:37,692
Speaker 6: Yeah.

988
00:45:38,253 --> 00:45:39,853
Speaker 2: So to be a commercial pilot in New Zealand you

989
00:45:39,893 --> 00:45:42,093
Speaker 2: need to complete a minimum of two hundred hours of

990
00:45:42,173 --> 00:45:44,933
Speaker 2: total flight time. That's to be eligible for a commercial

991
00:45:44,973 --> 00:45:45,813
Speaker 2: pilot license.

992
00:45:47,093 --> 00:45:50,373
Speaker 25: He's got his license, yeah, and then school lane for

993
00:45:50,413 --> 00:45:53,453
Speaker 25: a couple of years here in christ Church, right. I

994
00:45:53,493 --> 00:45:55,773
Speaker 25: don't know how long it took exactly, but he got

995
00:45:55,813 --> 00:46:00,573
Speaker 25: his past as commercial pilot license and then you know

996
00:46:00,653 --> 00:46:04,973
Speaker 25: the bigger places and haven't got enough hours, I call you.

997
00:46:05,893 --> 00:46:09,173
Speaker 25: And so he's then thought, well if I do and instructors,

998
00:46:09,173 --> 00:46:12,732
Speaker 25: of course I'm once. So I've done that. Of course

999
00:46:12,813 --> 00:46:15,293
Speaker 25: I can then instruct people and I'm getting my hours up.

1000
00:46:15,373 --> 00:46:17,573
Speaker 25: That way is what he's doing now. But he's on

1001
00:46:17,693 --> 00:46:20,933
Speaker 25: minimum wage because everyone's trying to do the same thing, right,

1002
00:46:21,133 --> 00:46:22,693
Speaker 25: and they had to leave the town to do that.

1003
00:46:22,853 --> 00:46:26,653
Speaker 25: He had to go to another place, So a shortage

1004
00:46:26,693 --> 00:46:29,173
Speaker 25: of pilots. I don't know, is there you know?

1005
00:46:29,293 --> 00:46:29,773
Speaker 20: Does he no?

1006
00:46:30,373 --> 00:46:31,973
Speaker 2: And you might not know the answer to this, but

1007
00:46:32,613 --> 00:46:34,973
Speaker 2: how much if he keeps sticking at it when he

1008
00:46:35,013 --> 00:46:38,172
Speaker 2: gets into another job, how much you can actually earn

1009
00:46:38,173 --> 00:46:39,693
Speaker 2: in terms of everything like that?

1010
00:46:39,853 --> 00:46:42,533
Speaker 25: Yeah, now I've got an idea, but I just thought

1011
00:46:42,613 --> 00:46:44,293
Speaker 25: like when he got it, ah, okay, you'd be able

1012
00:46:44,373 --> 00:46:48,772
Speaker 25: to apply to jet Star in your heeland or something.

1013
00:46:48,773 --> 00:46:50,413
Speaker 25: Oh no, no way they want.

1014
00:46:50,493 --> 00:46:54,373
Speaker 2: You know, does the count flying around in a crop duster?

1015
00:46:54,773 --> 00:46:57,773
Speaker 3: I hope? So it's still flying there. That does look

1016
00:46:57,813 --> 00:47:00,533
Speaker 3: really fun. They get real low and almost like you know,

1017
00:47:00,653 --> 00:47:02,973
Speaker 3: they come in right under it and then pick it

1018
00:47:03,053 --> 00:47:03,413
Speaker 3: back up.

1019
00:47:03,533 --> 00:47:07,773
Speaker 2: Well, when we were out recently, you jumped in and

1020
00:47:08,453 --> 00:47:09,413
Speaker 2: got a bit of training, didn't you?

1021
00:47:09,653 --> 00:47:09,813
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1022
00:47:09,893 --> 00:47:10,133
Speaker 18: I did?

1023
00:47:10,293 --> 00:47:10,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, how'd you go?

1024
00:47:11,053 --> 00:47:13,373
Speaker 3: I was very shaky? You're watching me, mate? It was

1025
00:47:13,613 --> 00:47:15,413
Speaker 3: she was pretty I don't want to run you down,

1026
00:47:15,453 --> 00:47:16,252
Speaker 3: but pretty loose.

1027
00:47:16,453 --> 00:47:16,773
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1028
00:47:16,853 --> 00:47:19,493
Speaker 3: I thought it was about to go into those hills

1029
00:47:19,533 --> 00:47:21,613
Speaker 3: after about ten minutes. And let's make it clear, you're

1030
00:47:21,613 --> 00:47:23,533
Speaker 3: in a simulator I was in a simulator. Yeah, yeah,

1031
00:47:23,573 --> 00:47:25,693
Speaker 3: not a real plane. Yeah, but even then, you know,

1032
00:47:25,773 --> 00:47:28,213
Speaker 3: I just felt that responsibility and there's nobody there. It's

1033
00:47:28,253 --> 00:47:30,133
Speaker 3: a simulator, it's a video game. But I still just

1034
00:47:30,213 --> 00:47:32,173
Speaker 3: had that terrified aspect of it.

1035
00:47:32,453 --> 00:47:36,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I went up in the chop a simulator

1036
00:47:37,053 --> 00:47:41,053
Speaker 2: hook here and Air Force base, and even though it

1037
00:47:41,093 --> 00:47:43,053
Speaker 2: was a simulator, I felt so much pressure not to

1038
00:47:43,093 --> 00:47:45,213
Speaker 2: crash it, even though it was a fake thing that

1039
00:47:45,293 --> 00:47:47,413
Speaker 2: I was actually quite nervous because it's the full, the

1040
00:47:47,613 --> 00:47:49,013
Speaker 2: full everything around you.

1041
00:47:49,173 --> 00:47:49,373
Speaker 4: Yep.

1042
00:47:49,493 --> 00:47:51,093
Speaker 2: You know, you've got all the buttons everything, and you

1043
00:47:51,373 --> 00:47:52,333
Speaker 2: know the way you do it.

1044
00:47:52,493 --> 00:47:52,692
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1045
00:47:53,853 --> 00:47:57,133
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's a fantastic thing, isn't it

1046
00:47:57,173 --> 00:48:00,373
Speaker 2: that The rise of simulators in terms of training pilots,

1047
00:48:00,853 --> 00:48:01,613
Speaker 2: that's a game changer.

1048
00:48:01,693 --> 00:48:01,813
Speaker 21: You know.

1049
00:48:02,453 --> 00:48:03,893
Speaker 2: You know the amount of hours that have needed to

1050
00:48:03,933 --> 00:48:06,173
Speaker 2: train a pilots and you know, taking planes up and

1051
00:48:06,213 --> 00:48:07,813
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. The simulators that must have

1052
00:48:07,853 --> 00:48:10,973
Speaker 2: made a huge difference. But to simulated hours count at all,

1053
00:48:11,533 --> 00:48:14,013
Speaker 2: I wonder that when you talk about the number of hours,

1054
00:48:14,973 --> 00:48:17,773
Speaker 2: that there must be a difference between of clearly clearly

1055
00:48:18,013 --> 00:48:20,493
Speaker 2: some hours and actually flying.

1056
00:48:20,813 --> 00:48:21,053
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1057
00:48:21,413 --> 00:48:22,933
Speaker 3: But it's a good question. Love to hear from you

1058
00:48:22,973 --> 00:48:25,253
Speaker 3: if you've gone through pilot training, can you use some

1059
00:48:25,413 --> 00:48:28,613
Speaker 3: hours in a simulator to get to that point before

1060
00:48:28,653 --> 00:48:30,373
Speaker 3: you get your license? So one hundred and eighty ten

1061
00:48:30,413 --> 00:48:31,373
Speaker 3: eighty I.

1062
00:48:31,413 --> 00:48:34,453
Speaker 2: Applied to be in an Aeronautical engineer before COVID made

1063
00:48:34,453 --> 00:48:36,652
Speaker 2: it through to the training phase. Then the world shut

1064
00:48:36,733 --> 00:48:39,533
Speaker 2: down cisistics. The reapplied last year failed due to theory

1065
00:48:39,653 --> 00:48:42,133
Speaker 2: not being up to scratch. But I was more experienced

1066
00:48:42,173 --> 00:48:44,693
Speaker 2: than all the young ones coming through. Normally they in

1067
00:48:44,773 --> 00:48:46,973
Speaker 2: New Zealand would have put me through, but they had

1068
00:48:47,053 --> 00:48:51,373
Speaker 2: that that many APPS applicants, they had to be superstrict.

1069
00:48:51,573 --> 00:48:53,773
Speaker 2: All the older guys are leaving and retiring, so they

1070
00:48:53,853 --> 00:48:55,053
Speaker 2: are screaming for them.

1071
00:48:55,293 --> 00:48:59,573
Speaker 3: Yeah. There was another point raised by this report or

1072
00:48:59,653 --> 00:49:02,133
Speaker 3: this action plan that they were looking at the idea

1073
00:49:02,213 --> 00:49:04,453
Speaker 3: of retention for pilots, so they get them trained up

1074
00:49:04,493 --> 00:49:07,772
Speaker 3: here and then make New Zealand pilots or those trained

1075
00:49:07,773 --> 00:49:10,693
Speaker 3: in New Zealand stay for at least a year before

1076
00:49:10,733 --> 00:49:13,453
Speaker 3: they take over off overseas. And I wonder at the

1077
00:49:13,493 --> 00:49:15,493
Speaker 3: farness on that, because if you're spending that amount of

1078
00:49:15,573 --> 00:49:17,533
Speaker 3: money and getting trained up and then you get a

1079
00:49:17,573 --> 00:49:20,813
Speaker 3: good offer from Dubai yar, why should you stay here?

1080
00:49:21,093 --> 00:49:22,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean as they are, they just worried

1081
00:49:22,613 --> 00:49:24,493
Speaker 2: that they're going to get the training and fly off

1082
00:49:24,933 --> 00:49:26,453
Speaker 2: literally and then not pay the money man.

1083
00:49:26,653 --> 00:49:28,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, very true. And there's that's exactly a one of people.

1084
00:49:28,853 --> 00:49:30,973
Speaker 2: With massive loans that aren't coming back to New Zealand.

1085
00:49:31,093 --> 00:49:33,093
Speaker 3: Yeah. Love to hear from you, Oh, eight hundred eighty

1086
00:49:33,173 --> 00:49:35,413
Speaker 3: ten eighty. If you're a former pilot or are currently

1087
00:49:35,453 --> 00:49:38,213
Speaker 3: a pilot and if you've if you, I'd.

1088
00:49:38,093 --> 00:49:41,773
Speaker 2: Be interested to know if once you if you're an

1089
00:49:41,813 --> 00:49:43,933
Speaker 2: overseas pilot and you come into New Zealand, do you

1090
00:49:44,013 --> 00:49:46,533
Speaker 2: have to do more training or or is it you know,

1091
00:49:46,573 --> 00:49:48,453
Speaker 2: if you're in you know, one of the you know,

1092
00:49:48,893 --> 00:49:51,653
Speaker 2: I guess you'd call them affiliate countries like Australia for example,

1093
00:49:51,813 --> 00:49:54,573
Speaker 2: or the UK or the US. Yeah, are they just

1094
00:49:54,693 --> 00:49:56,213
Speaker 2: instantly transferable skills?

1095
00:49:56,373 --> 00:49:58,573
Speaker 3: Great question. I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Love

1096
00:49:58,613 --> 00:50:00,693
Speaker 3: to hear from you. It is twenty pars.

1097
00:50:00,493 --> 00:50:07,893
Speaker 1: Too, matd Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons, call oh eight hundred

1098
00:50:07,933 --> 00:50:10,173
Speaker 1: and eighty on news Talk ZV.

1099
00:50:10,293 --> 00:50:13,333
Speaker 3: Afternoon to you. We're talking about changes too training to

1100
00:50:13,413 --> 00:50:15,893
Speaker 3: become a pilot it's been announced by the government to

1101
00:50:15,973 --> 00:50:19,333
Speaker 3: make it easier because we've got a pilot shortage at

1102
00:50:19,333 --> 00:50:19,733
Speaker 3: the moments.

1103
00:50:19,893 --> 00:50:23,413
Speaker 2: Hey, look at this. I think i've I guess run

1104
00:50:23,533 --> 00:50:25,973
Speaker 2: down how hard it is to be a top dressing pilot.

1105
00:50:26,053 --> 00:50:27,773
Speaker 2: This Texas says, Hey, guys, top dressing can be an

1106
00:50:27,773 --> 00:50:30,613
Speaker 2: extremely demanding, a dangerous job. If you took ten pilots

1107
00:50:30,613 --> 00:50:32,893
Speaker 2: with similar experience, maybe two of them would be suitable.

1108
00:50:33,453 --> 00:50:35,093
Speaker 2: Back in the heyday of the seventies, there was one

1109
00:50:35,133 --> 00:50:37,692
Speaker 2: company where the saying was, out of three pilots hired,

1110
00:50:38,293 --> 00:50:39,853
Speaker 2: they sacked, one, killed, one, kept one.

1111
00:50:40,293 --> 00:50:42,653
Speaker 3: Geniees talented pilots.

1112
00:50:43,493 --> 00:50:45,973
Speaker 2: A commercial pilot's license is about two hundred hours and

1113
00:50:46,013 --> 00:50:49,213
Speaker 2: simply means you can take fear paying passengers, as opposed

1114
00:50:49,213 --> 00:50:51,493
Speaker 2: to fifty hours for a private pilot to be able

1115
00:50:51,573 --> 00:50:54,812
Speaker 2: to take friends, they don't charge. The commercial license means

1116
00:50:54,973 --> 00:50:57,573
Speaker 2: about as much as a pushbike to a fish, and

1117
00:50:57,693 --> 00:51:00,133
Speaker 2: means they are just one of many looking for very

1118
00:51:00,173 --> 00:51:03,172
Speaker 2: few jobs. No airline is taking anyone with less than

1119
00:51:03,213 --> 00:51:07,133
Speaker 2: probably one thousand hours and multiple types of ratings. That's

1120
00:51:07,653 --> 00:51:10,333
Speaker 2: that's interesting. Yeah, Alyn, welcome to the show. You're a

1121
00:51:10,533 --> 00:51:11,733
Speaker 2: qualified former pilot.

1122
00:51:13,013 --> 00:51:13,813
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, I am.

1123
00:51:13,933 --> 00:51:16,613
Speaker 10: I got my license in two thousand and two. I

1124
00:51:16,773 --> 00:51:19,692
Speaker 10: was a little bit lucky because ex military I had

1125
00:51:19,733 --> 00:51:21,773
Speaker 10: the money, so I paid for it myself and it

1126
00:51:21,813 --> 00:51:24,692
Speaker 10: was about eighty thousand and then I decided I wanted

1127
00:51:24,733 --> 00:51:26,813
Speaker 10: to be an egg polot. I did look at going

1128
00:51:26,853 --> 00:51:28,533
Speaker 10: the instructor way, but I didn't want to spend another

1129
00:51:28,613 --> 00:51:32,413
Speaker 10: twenty five thousand dollars, so I did. I dig egg

1130
00:51:32,613 --> 00:51:33,893
Speaker 10: as a ground crewman on the ground for.

1131
00:51:33,893 --> 00:51:34,652
Speaker 14: About five years.

1132
00:51:34,693 --> 00:51:36,453
Speaker 10: But it was just hard getting the hours up. And

1133
00:51:36,613 --> 00:51:39,053
Speaker 10: like a lot of people said, you've got to have

1134
00:51:39,093 --> 00:51:40,853
Speaker 10: a thousand hours before you don't.

1135
00:51:40,693 --> 00:51:41,213
Speaker 15: Want to look at you.

1136
00:51:42,333 --> 00:51:44,933
Speaker 2: And so that's a thousand hours you have to pay for,

1137
00:51:45,133 --> 00:51:45,533
Speaker 2: right So you.

1138
00:51:45,613 --> 00:51:48,213
Speaker 10: Have to know you what you try and do is

1139
00:51:48,253 --> 00:51:49,573
Speaker 10: you try and build the hours up so well. I

1140
00:51:49,653 --> 00:51:51,973
Speaker 10: tried to be an egg pollock because I felt like,

1141
00:51:52,253 --> 00:51:52,732
Speaker 10: what's an egg?

1142
00:51:53,093 --> 00:51:54,893
Speaker 2: What's an egg? What's an egg pilot? Sorry?

1143
00:51:55,533 --> 00:51:58,893
Speaker 10: An pilots? Sorry I did. I did a helicopter license.

1144
00:51:58,973 --> 00:52:01,733
Speaker 10: Ye that I wanted to spray and and they're very

1145
00:52:01,773 --> 00:52:04,293
Speaker 10: good pilots, So that's the way I wanted to go.

1146
00:52:05,533 --> 00:52:07,773
Speaker 10: I would I would my advice to some people though,

1147
00:52:07,853 --> 00:52:09,933
Speaker 10: and and some people probably don't want to hear this,

1148
00:52:10,093 --> 00:52:12,413
Speaker 10: but during my time, I only did it for about

1149
00:52:12,453 --> 00:52:15,533
Speaker 10: five years. The money wasn't very good and so I

1150
00:52:15,693 --> 00:52:18,573
Speaker 10: kind of re enlisted back to the military because I'm

1151
00:52:18,613 --> 00:52:21,253
Speaker 10: messed getting paid twice as much for half the work

1152
00:52:21,333 --> 00:52:23,613
Speaker 10: because those working seven days a week. But I would

1153
00:52:24,373 --> 00:52:26,973
Speaker 10: some people say, don't do your license overseas. You better

1154
00:52:26,973 --> 00:52:28,493
Speaker 10: off to do it in New Zealand because you want

1155
00:52:28,493 --> 00:52:30,813
Speaker 10: to get a job in New Zealand. You've got to

1156
00:52:30,853 --> 00:52:33,813
Speaker 10: think about we only have so many helicopters in New Zealand.

1157
00:52:33,813 --> 00:52:35,893
Speaker 10: So if there's only so many employers, if you do

1158
00:52:35,973 --> 00:52:38,573
Speaker 10: your license overseas, you've got more chance of getting work.

1159
00:52:39,173 --> 00:52:42,293
Speaker 10: And then once you've got that thousand hours, that's your

1160
00:52:42,373 --> 00:52:44,853
Speaker 10: golden ticket. So when you come back to New Zealand,

1161
00:52:44,893 --> 00:52:46,732
Speaker 10: if you've got that thousand hours, it doesn't matter where

1162
00:52:46,733 --> 00:52:48,013
Speaker 10: you get it from, as long as you've got it

1163
00:52:48,573 --> 00:52:52,173
Speaker 10: in a thousand hours. Is because it's of insurance. I

1164
00:52:52,213 --> 00:52:54,413
Speaker 10: mean it's a catch twenty two. The employers can't really

1165
00:52:54,533 --> 00:52:57,413
Speaker 10: ensure you unless you've got a thousand insurance companies won't

1166
00:52:57,413 --> 00:53:01,813
Speaker 10: employ you. So it's it's not an easy industry. I

1167
00:53:01,813 --> 00:53:04,413
Speaker 10: wouldn't say I did it for five years. I've got

1168
00:53:04,493 --> 00:53:08,013
Speaker 10: no regrets, but I've got mates that have stuck it out. Yes,

1169
00:53:08,453 --> 00:53:11,493
Speaker 10: he said that he's on minimum wage, but I guarantee

1170
00:53:11,493 --> 00:53:14,053
Speaker 10: if he sticks it out, uh, and then he becomes

1171
00:53:14,053 --> 00:53:16,413
Speaker 10: the helicopter pilot, you'll forget about the minimum wage.

1172
00:53:16,453 --> 00:53:16,692
Speaker 20: You will.

1173
00:53:17,653 --> 00:53:20,653
Speaker 10: You know, it would be very rewarding once you succeed.

1174
00:53:21,533 --> 00:53:23,493
Speaker 10: I just chose not to carry on.

1175
00:53:24,213 --> 00:53:27,413
Speaker 2: Helen. How many people are like how much of the

1176
00:53:27,493 --> 00:53:30,373
Speaker 2: work that helicopterics has have historically done has been taken

1177
00:53:30,453 --> 00:53:32,173
Speaker 2: up by drones these days.

1178
00:53:33,853 --> 00:53:38,293
Speaker 10: I wouldn't think the drones are capable in the egg industry,

1179
00:53:39,653 --> 00:53:42,893
Speaker 10: you know, you know, you're carrying a thousand leaders. A

1180
00:53:43,013 --> 00:53:45,973
Speaker 10: drone can't carry that. There is a lot of work

1181
00:53:46,013 --> 00:53:49,413
Speaker 10: that drones can do. But I mean, I'm not an expert,

1182
00:53:50,533 --> 00:53:54,453
Speaker 10: but and that definitely would be tooper using drones. But

1183
00:53:55,733 --> 00:53:58,133
Speaker 10: I wouldn't suggest why. I don't think the farmers or

1184
00:53:58,133 --> 00:54:00,253
Speaker 10: the forest because I worked for a company that was

1185
00:54:00,293 --> 00:54:03,573
Speaker 10: spraying forestry and we were we were spraying, you know,

1186
00:54:04,293 --> 00:54:05,853
Speaker 10: we were spraying a lot of you know, you wouldn't

1187
00:54:06,093 --> 00:54:07,173
Speaker 10: you wouldn't do it with a drone.

1188
00:54:07,173 --> 00:54:09,732
Speaker 18: It just couldn't unless it drives are huge.

1189
00:54:10,173 --> 00:54:14,413
Speaker 2: So now you're you were trained to the military, you

1190
00:54:14,453 --> 00:54:17,173
Speaker 2: went into commercial and then you went back into the

1191
00:54:18,693 --> 00:54:21,573
Speaker 2: army of the military, of the Air Force, and are

1192
00:54:21,573 --> 00:54:22,093
Speaker 2: you still there?

1193
00:54:23,293 --> 00:54:25,533
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've realized it back into the navy.

1194
00:54:25,613 --> 00:54:28,613
Speaker 9: So and I I would fly.

1195
00:54:28,853 --> 00:54:31,172
Speaker 10: I probably would fly again if I could afford it. Yeah,

1196
00:54:31,373 --> 00:54:33,573
Speaker 10: but it would just be a part one. It's probably

1197
00:54:33,613 --> 00:54:36,893
Speaker 10: too late now because I'm sixty odd, but I don't

1198
00:54:36,893 --> 00:54:39,213
Speaker 10: know for good. So, I mean, you know, like it

1199
00:54:39,373 --> 00:54:41,933
Speaker 10: was just it is just hard trying to get those

1200
00:54:41,973 --> 00:54:45,573
Speaker 10: hours because you know, I'm the first employer I went

1201
00:54:45,653 --> 00:54:46,893
Speaker 10: to to go and get a job. They said, how

1202
00:54:46,893 --> 00:54:49,493
Speaker 10: many hours you've got? This is two hundred and fifty.

1203
00:54:49,573 --> 00:54:51,253
Speaker 10: This is all you come back to see when when

1204
00:54:51,253 --> 00:54:53,573
Speaker 10: you've got five thousand hours five thousand.

1205
00:54:54,253 --> 00:54:56,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, but this was a this.

1206
00:54:56,493 --> 00:55:01,573
Speaker 10: Was a very good company down south. And I get it,

1207
00:55:02,053 --> 00:55:04,573
Speaker 10: you know, they were flying good machines. But it's you know,

1208
00:55:04,733 --> 00:55:08,173
Speaker 10: like you spend you spend eight thousand, one hundred thousand,

1209
00:55:09,413 --> 00:55:12,093
Speaker 10: you would think like if you spent that being a doctor,

1210
00:55:12,173 --> 00:55:15,893
Speaker 10: you'd probably walk into a job. Yeah, you can't walk

1211
00:55:15,933 --> 00:55:16,413
Speaker 10: into a job.

1212
00:55:17,013 --> 00:55:20,733
Speaker 3: Friend of mine, God has helicopter a license. Len But

1213
00:55:20,933 --> 00:55:23,493
Speaker 3: the kicker was his parents had done very well in life,

1214
00:55:23,653 --> 00:55:26,893
Speaker 3: so they ended up buying him a trainee chopper that

1215
00:55:26,973 --> 00:55:29,733
Speaker 3: he could train them to get those hours up. So

1216
00:55:30,213 --> 00:55:32,973
Speaker 3: you know, very few people in the country have parents

1217
00:55:33,013 --> 00:55:35,053
Speaker 3: that could buy a chopper to be able to train, right.

1218
00:55:36,173 --> 00:55:39,453
Speaker 10: Yeah, a lot of some people do it. They get

1219
00:55:39,493 --> 00:55:41,053
Speaker 10: three or four of them and they buy one together,

1220
00:55:41,293 --> 00:55:44,773
Speaker 10: and then it means the rate to fly. They mentioned

1221
00:55:44,773 --> 00:55:47,093
Speaker 10: the instructors that I didn't do the instructor thing because

1222
00:55:47,413 --> 00:55:49,813
Speaker 10: I felt like, I've only just learned to fly and

1223
00:55:49,973 --> 00:55:52,172
Speaker 10: then you know, I'm going to teach someone to fly.

1224
00:55:52,413 --> 00:55:55,493
Speaker 10: But my advice now is if people want to do

1225
00:55:55,613 --> 00:55:58,692
Speaker 10: it here, then do the instructors, because the companies are

1226
00:55:59,333 --> 00:56:01,293
Speaker 10: they're not going to put you in a helicopter next

1227
00:56:01,333 --> 00:56:03,333
Speaker 10: to a trainee pilot and you're not going to be

1228
00:56:03,413 --> 00:56:06,093
Speaker 10: teaching that person how to do advanced flying. You're going

1229
00:56:06,173 --> 00:56:08,733
Speaker 10: to be teaching them the basics. And if they're building

1230
00:56:08,773 --> 00:56:11,373
Speaker 10: your hours up in it's the hours, you know. So

1231
00:56:11,853 --> 00:56:14,053
Speaker 10: I kind of probably I kind of probably hit my

1232
00:56:14,133 --> 00:56:16,853
Speaker 10: nose off to spite my face because I thought, how

1233
00:56:16,893 --> 00:56:18,533
Speaker 10: can I teach people to fly when I've only learned

1234
00:56:18,573 --> 00:56:21,213
Speaker 10: to fly? But when you're instructing. You're only teaching.

1235
00:56:21,013 --> 00:56:22,772
Speaker 22: People the basically, right, you get better.

1236
00:56:23,293 --> 00:56:26,373
Speaker 10: When you get better, they'll let you progress to you know,

1237
00:56:26,613 --> 00:56:28,093
Speaker 10: So it's a good industry.

1238
00:56:28,333 --> 00:56:31,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, Len, does some ows count for anything or

1239
00:56:31,493 --> 00:56:33,253
Speaker 2: as they just training before you get in there?

1240
00:56:34,293 --> 00:56:36,652
Speaker 10: They I think they do. In the military, I think

1241
00:56:36,693 --> 00:56:39,053
Speaker 10: they do. I think somehows do count. Yeah, yeah, I

1242
00:56:39,133 --> 00:56:41,933
Speaker 10: mean I had think it's one hundred and fifty hours.

1243
00:56:42,333 --> 00:56:45,093
Speaker 10: I did mine. Yes, it's one hundred and fifty hours.

1244
00:56:45,333 --> 00:56:46,853
Speaker 10: You could back then as well, you could.

1245
00:56:47,253 --> 00:56:47,653
Speaker 14: You could do it.

1246
00:56:47,693 --> 00:56:49,533
Speaker 10: You could split it so you could if you wanted

1247
00:56:49,533 --> 00:56:52,173
Speaker 10: to be you could do so much fixing time and

1248
00:56:52,293 --> 00:56:54,293
Speaker 10: then you could credit that towards your helicopter time.

1249
00:56:54,453 --> 00:57:00,292
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, it's so what's hard? What's harder? Learning

1250
00:57:00,293 --> 00:57:01,613
Speaker 2: to fly helicopter or a plane?

1251
00:57:04,333 --> 00:57:04,493
Speaker 20: Well?

1252
00:57:04,533 --> 00:57:05,653
Speaker 10: I didn't get to do the plane.

1253
00:57:06,013 --> 00:57:06,813
Speaker 24: I just it wasn't.

1254
00:57:07,293 --> 00:57:10,172
Speaker 10: I got come into to fly helicopters because I went

1255
00:57:10,213 --> 00:57:12,653
Speaker 10: for a trial flight and this pilot was on a

1256
00:57:13,893 --> 00:57:16,253
Speaker 10: you know, like and he could just he just showed

1257
00:57:16,293 --> 00:57:19,013
Speaker 10: me exactly what they could do. Plus I'd clone in

1258
00:57:19,053 --> 00:57:21,013
Speaker 10: the military as well as a crewman, so I'd always

1259
00:57:21,053 --> 00:57:24,893
Speaker 10: wanted to. But I do know that I do know

1260
00:57:25,013 --> 00:57:28,653
Speaker 10: one of my instructors, he was he was a qualified,

1261
00:57:29,013 --> 00:57:31,413
Speaker 10: very good aviation fix wing pilot and then the past

1262
00:57:31,453 --> 00:57:35,693
Speaker 10: time he was a helicopter pilot teaching people, right, and

1263
00:57:35,933 --> 00:57:37,893
Speaker 10: I think there's good money, but it's not. The money's

1264
00:57:37,933 --> 00:57:39,613
Speaker 10: not there good until you get up to someone like

1265
00:57:39,653 --> 00:57:42,333
Speaker 10: a rescue pilot or you're flying off the oil rigs

1266
00:57:42,333 --> 00:57:44,373
Speaker 10: and as you can imagine, to fly to get those

1267
00:57:44,493 --> 00:57:48,293
Speaker 10: jobs or please helicopter you need to really, i'd say

1268
00:57:48,333 --> 00:57:49,293
Speaker 10: you need a minimum five.

1269
00:57:50,733 --> 00:57:53,493
Speaker 2: Oh sorry sorry lean five or six thousand hours? Yeah,

1270
00:57:54,293 --> 00:57:55,853
Speaker 2: or hey, thank you so much for you call lean.

1271
00:57:55,933 --> 00:57:56,933
Speaker 2: Appreciate it, great insight.

1272
00:57:56,973 --> 00:57:59,453
Speaker 3: It's interesting, pretty bad ass being a helicopter pilot and

1273
00:57:59,453 --> 00:58:01,053
Speaker 3: an oil rig I mean, that is cool.

1274
00:58:01,253 --> 00:58:03,493
Speaker 2: Ben says, drones are doing some helly work, but they

1275
00:58:03,533 --> 00:58:05,173
Speaker 2: are slow when it comes to spraying.

1276
00:58:06,973 --> 00:58:09,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean. And they did make mention of

1277
00:58:09,733 --> 00:58:13,333
Speaker 3: drone technology in this Aviation Action Plan, but the Minister

1278
00:58:13,453 --> 00:58:15,853
Speaker 3: did note that the technology is still some way off

1279
00:58:16,413 --> 00:58:18,813
Speaker 3: and we still need pilots desperately, and we'll always need

1280
00:58:18,853 --> 00:58:19,773
Speaker 3: pilots to some extent.

1281
00:58:20,013 --> 00:58:22,493
Speaker 2: But someone I was talking to said that with this

1282
00:58:22,613 --> 00:58:25,933
Speaker 2: new drone technology, you can map out the whole field

1283
00:58:25,973 --> 00:58:29,173
Speaker 2: that you that you're doing. So it's done very methodically

1284
00:58:29,293 --> 00:58:32,453
Speaker 2: with the drone. It goes up and does it exactly.

1285
00:58:32,413 --> 00:58:32,573
Speaker 20: You know.

1286
00:58:32,653 --> 00:58:34,933
Speaker 2: And you can get these fixed wing drones. Yeah, you know.

1287
00:58:35,213 --> 00:58:38,053
Speaker 3: So it's like a it's like a rumber in the air. Yeah,

1288
00:58:38,133 --> 00:58:40,053
Speaker 3: and it just goes back to base and refills with

1289
00:58:40,093 --> 00:58:41,333
Speaker 3: fertilizer and takes off again.

1290
00:58:41,333 --> 00:58:43,053
Speaker 2: An aerial rumber, real rumber.

1291
00:58:43,133 --> 00:58:45,293
Speaker 3: Love it. Oh, one hundred and eighty, ten eighty is

1292
00:58:45,373 --> 00:58:46,613
Speaker 3: the number to cour if you want to send it.

1293
00:58:46,653 --> 00:58:48,853
Speaker 3: Taxt nine two, nine to two. We've got headlines coming up,

1294
00:58:49,653 --> 00:58:51,293
Speaker 3: but we're taking plenty more of your call.

1295
00:58:51,373 --> 00:58:57,893
Speaker 11: Surely us talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis

1296
00:58:57,933 --> 00:59:00,453
Speaker 11: it's no trouble with a blue bubble. The Prime Minister

1297
00:59:00,613 --> 00:59:04,373
Speaker 11: is not fully agreeing with a UN ruling saying genocide

1298
00:59:04,493 --> 00:59:08,013
Speaker 11: is being committed in Gaza. A Commission of inquiry found

1299
00:59:08,093 --> 00:59:12,173
Speaker 11: it reasonable grounds to conclude genocidal acts have been carried

1300
00:59:12,213 --> 00:59:15,973
Speaker 11: out in the area. Heavy rain and strong winds made

1301
00:59:16,053 --> 00:59:19,373
Speaker 11: landfall in the South Island, causing power outages and a

1302
00:59:19,493 --> 00:59:23,453
Speaker 11: road closure. State Highway six between Heart and Makarora is

1303
00:59:23,653 --> 00:59:27,013
Speaker 11: shut with surface flooding, while more than six hundred South

1304
00:59:27,093 --> 00:59:31,853
Speaker 11: Canterbury properties are without power. New Zealand's current accounts deficit

1305
00:59:32,013 --> 00:59:35,213
Speaker 11: has narrowed to its smallest point in four years. It

1306
00:59:35,333 --> 00:59:38,333
Speaker 11: was just sixteen billion dollars in the year to June.

1307
00:59:39,413 --> 00:59:42,413
Speaker 11: The Greens are sounding the alarm on regional job losses,

1308
00:59:42,493 --> 00:59:46,253
Speaker 11: with another local factory closure on the cards. Carter Holt

1309
00:59:46,333 --> 00:59:49,413
Speaker 11: Harvey is planning to close its Tocado applywood site with

1310
00:59:49,533 --> 00:59:54,093
Speaker 11: more than one hundred estimated job losses. Cinema legend Robert

1311
00:59:54,253 --> 00:59:57,293
Speaker 11: Redford has died aged eighty nine, the leading man starred

1312
00:59:57,333 --> 01:00:01,333
Speaker 11: in films since the early nineteen sixties. And Alice Soper

1313
01:00:01,413 --> 01:00:03,373
Speaker 11: on how a rule change could have seen the Women's

1314
01:00:03,453 --> 01:00:06,493
Speaker 11: Rugby World's Cup bite handled ferreh See the full column

1315
01:00:06,533 --> 01:00:09,333
Speaker 11: at Enzed Herald Premium and back to Matt Eath and

1316
01:00:09,373 --> 01:00:09,973
Speaker 11: Tyler Adams.

1317
01:00:10,013 --> 01:00:12,093
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Adam. So as we've been discussing

1318
01:00:12,133 --> 01:00:14,613
Speaker 3: hopes that the Government's Aviation Action Plan can help more

1319
01:00:14,653 --> 01:00:17,333
Speaker 3: pilots take off, the government has released the first ever

1320
01:00:17,413 --> 01:00:20,093
Speaker 3: strategy for the sector. Part of that commitment is to

1321
01:00:20,133 --> 01:00:23,093
Speaker 3: look at pilot education and create a workforce plan in

1322
01:00:23,213 --> 01:00:26,293
Speaker 3: areas where there are big skills shortages. To discuss more

1323
01:00:26,333 --> 01:00:30,013
Speaker 3: we're joined by Airline Industry Association New Zealand Chief Executive

1324
01:00:30,093 --> 01:00:32,933
Speaker 3: Simon Wallace, who's on the phone now, Simon. Very good

1325
01:00:32,933 --> 01:00:33,413
Speaker 3: afternoon to.

1326
01:00:33,453 --> 01:00:35,053
Speaker 24: You, Good afternoon to you.

1327
01:00:35,613 --> 01:00:38,333
Speaker 2: So Simon, what's the most important change for the industry

1328
01:00:38,453 --> 01:00:38,973
Speaker 2: in this plan?

1329
01:00:40,333 --> 01:00:42,293
Speaker 24: Look, I think the really good thing is that we've

1330
01:00:42,413 --> 01:00:46,573
Speaker 24: got an action plan and aviation. It's a government industry plan.

1331
01:00:46,693 --> 01:00:49,453
Speaker 24: It's got the buying of industry. It's got some clear

1332
01:00:50,493 --> 01:00:53,773
Speaker 24: deliverables with dates on it. It's not just another white

1333
01:00:53,853 --> 01:00:55,613
Speaker 24: paper that's going to be put on the shelf. And

1334
01:00:55,693 --> 01:01:00,013
Speaker 24: there's a lot of really good things in here around workforce, regulation, infrastructure,

1335
01:01:00,453 --> 01:01:02,613
Speaker 24: is a number of really positive things.

1336
01:01:03,013 --> 01:01:05,493
Speaker 2: Can you explain this to me? Or HOCKEYA is being

1337
01:01:05,693 --> 01:01:09,653
Speaker 2: made permanently available for large passenger aircraft. Does that overflow

1338
01:01:09,853 --> 01:01:12,253
Speaker 2: or emergency or is that actually using it as a

1339
01:01:12,293 --> 01:01:13,093
Speaker 2: commercial airport?

1340
01:01:13,933 --> 01:01:17,373
Speaker 24: No, that's overflow an emergency when there's no problems at all.

1341
01:01:17,413 --> 01:01:20,253
Speaker 24: Cond Or Christich for example, and some of those larger

1342
01:01:20,333 --> 01:01:23,453
Speaker 24: jets triple sevens or eight three eighties can't land at

1343
01:01:23,453 --> 01:01:25,973
Speaker 24: either of those two airports. There's now the ability I

1344
01:01:26,093 --> 01:01:27,533
Speaker 24: think it's going to be from the end of twenty

1345
01:01:27,573 --> 01:01:30,613
Speaker 24: twenty six to be able to use that facility. So

1346
01:01:30,693 --> 01:01:32,573
Speaker 24: that has been a work in progress and it is

1347
01:01:32,613 --> 01:01:34,173
Speaker 24: one of the good things that's in this plan.

1348
01:01:34,653 --> 01:01:37,013
Speaker 2: It's an impressive setup they've got there. It's basically a

1349
01:01:37,053 --> 01:01:40,973
Speaker 2: full airport. You've got the departure lounges, you've got the seating,

1350
01:01:41,293 --> 01:01:43,933
Speaker 2: you've got the carousel, you've got everything down there. It's

1351
01:01:44,053 --> 01:01:44,773
Speaker 2: pretty impressive.

1352
01:01:45,453 --> 01:01:46,733
Speaker 24: Now, yeah, absolutely, yeah.

1353
01:01:47,013 --> 01:01:50,173
Speaker 2: Now, original airlines have obviously we hear about this, been

1354
01:01:50,173 --> 01:01:53,933
Speaker 2: struggling with pilot shortages and costs. What's causing that. I

1355
01:01:53,973 --> 01:01:56,213
Speaker 2: mean a few years ago it seemed like we didn't

1356
01:01:56,213 --> 01:01:58,533
Speaker 2: have enough pilots. I mean we had too many pilots

1357
01:01:58,573 --> 01:01:59,613
Speaker 2: and pilots couldn't get jobs.

1358
01:02:00,653 --> 01:02:03,213
Speaker 24: Yeah, but I think since you know, we're five years

1359
01:02:03,213 --> 01:02:06,573
Speaker 24: old now from the pandemic, and demand as customer demand

1360
01:02:06,613 --> 01:02:09,933
Speaker 24: has come back globally and here in New Zealand as well.

1361
01:02:10,533 --> 01:02:13,213
Speaker 24: And we've had a period when our flight training schools

1362
01:02:13,253 --> 01:02:16,093
Speaker 24: haven't had the numbers, haven't been training the numbers. And

1363
01:02:17,613 --> 01:02:19,773
Speaker 24: you know, now we now that demand has come back.

1364
01:02:19,853 --> 01:02:24,133
Speaker 24: We're around about one hundred pilots short in New Zealand

1365
01:02:24,173 --> 01:02:27,533
Speaker 24: each year. And I look, I think the big thing

1366
01:02:27,653 --> 01:02:31,333
Speaker 24: here is that we don't have favorable policy settings to

1367
01:02:31,413 --> 01:02:34,933
Speaker 24: get young kiwis into into flight training, and that's one

1368
01:02:34,973 --> 01:02:37,093
Speaker 24: of the big things in this plan that is going

1369
01:02:37,133 --> 01:02:38,253
Speaker 24: to have a real focus.

1370
01:02:38,853 --> 01:02:42,573
Speaker 2: We're talking to Simon Wallace, Chief Executive Aviation Industry Association,

1371
01:02:43,013 --> 01:02:45,613
Speaker 2: New Zealand. So further to that, how long and how

1372
01:02:45,693 --> 01:02:48,733
Speaker 2: much does it currently take and cost to become a pilot,

1373
01:02:48,773 --> 01:02:51,093
Speaker 2: including we keep hearing about this all the hours you

1374
01:02:51,253 --> 01:02:53,973
Speaker 2: realistically need to get in to get a well paying

1375
01:02:54,093 --> 01:02:55,693
Speaker 2: job after you certified.

1376
01:02:56,813 --> 01:02:59,333
Speaker 24: Yeah, look, it's quite hard to break this all down,

1377
01:02:59,453 --> 01:03:03,053
Speaker 24: but you know, at the moment there's a fifty thousand deficit,

1378
01:03:03,253 --> 01:03:06,293
Speaker 24: so that the government will only only loan up to

1379
01:03:06,413 --> 01:03:09,573
Speaker 24: seventy thousand dollars for Watson actually an eighteen months to

1380
01:03:09,693 --> 01:03:13,653
Speaker 24: two year program. The cost of tuition fees for pilot

1381
01:03:13,693 --> 01:03:15,453
Speaker 24: training is in the order of one hundred, one hundred

1382
01:03:15,453 --> 01:03:19,573
Speaker 24: and twenty thousand. We haven't had that seventy thousand don't

1383
01:03:19,853 --> 01:03:23,493
Speaker 24: a seventy thousand dollars loan cap change since twenty thirteen.

1384
01:03:23,773 --> 01:03:27,173
Speaker 24: So what we're doing here is we're increasingly locking out

1385
01:03:27,413 --> 01:03:32,933
Speaker 24: young Kiwi's from opting for a career as a pilot.

1386
01:03:33,133 --> 01:03:35,813
Speaker 24: It's only the well off. It's only wealthy families that

1387
01:03:35,933 --> 01:03:39,533
Speaker 24: can afford to put their kids through flight training, and

1388
01:03:39,693 --> 01:03:43,173
Speaker 24: we want all New Zealanders to have that opportunity. So

1389
01:03:43,253 --> 01:03:46,533
Speaker 24: there's got to be some change here around what's available

1390
01:03:46,653 --> 01:03:49,853
Speaker 24: to be lent. And you know, we have officials saying

1391
01:03:49,933 --> 01:03:52,933
Speaker 24: to us that, you know, pilots don't pay them their

1392
01:03:52,973 --> 01:03:55,853
Speaker 24: loans back in a timely manner. Yeah, sure, they don't

1393
01:03:55,893 --> 01:03:58,653
Speaker 24: pay them back as quickly as as some other occupations,

1394
01:03:58,693 --> 01:04:02,293
Speaker 24: but they do pay their loans back after a period

1395
01:04:02,333 --> 01:04:06,893
Speaker 24: of time. It's a part really good career pathway. So

1396
01:04:07,373 --> 01:04:10,293
Speaker 24: you know, this to be an open mind around us

1397
01:04:10,333 --> 01:04:11,933
Speaker 24: so we can get more young qbs into.

1398
01:04:11,813 --> 01:04:15,413
Speaker 2: Pilot training, especially since we need pilots now. It's obviously

1399
01:04:15,533 --> 01:04:18,333
Speaker 2: cheaper to get your hours in a simulator as opposed

1400
01:04:18,333 --> 01:04:21,493
Speaker 2: to taking up an aircraft. Simulator is good enough to

1401
01:04:21,573 --> 01:04:23,333
Speaker 2: count for training.

1402
01:04:24,453 --> 01:04:27,653
Speaker 24: It's it's part of it. You've got to have that

1403
01:04:27,773 --> 01:04:30,293
Speaker 24: time in the year you have any any instructor. And

1404
01:04:30,413 --> 01:04:32,533
Speaker 24: I'm not I'm not a pilot or an instructor, but

1405
01:04:32,773 --> 01:04:34,973
Speaker 24: you know you have to have that time in the year.

1406
01:04:35,053 --> 01:04:37,453
Speaker 24: It's all, it's all part of it's all part of

1407
01:04:37,533 --> 01:04:41,253
Speaker 24: the training. You know, I know the government is really

1408
01:04:41,373 --> 01:04:44,173
Speaker 24: the minister James Meek said said at our conference that

1409
01:04:44,333 --> 01:04:47,013
Speaker 24: you know we want the training time frame to be

1410
01:04:47,093 --> 01:04:50,773
Speaker 24: contensed into a year. You know we would like that too,

1411
01:04:50,853 --> 01:04:53,213
Speaker 24: but it's very it's very challenging in terms of the

1412
01:04:53,293 --> 01:04:56,213
Speaker 24: fact that we wear short of flight instructors. We've got

1413
01:04:56,253 --> 01:04:59,093
Speaker 24: a qualifications framework, it's not set up to deliver it

1414
01:04:59,133 --> 01:05:01,173
Speaker 24: in a year, so that we need government agencies to

1415
01:05:01,213 --> 01:05:04,573
Speaker 24: come to the party. And actually New Zealand climate is

1416
01:05:04,613 --> 01:05:07,613
Speaker 24: an issue as well because we're not an Arizona where

1417
01:05:07,613 --> 01:05:10,333
Speaker 24: you can you can fly almost every day of the year,

1418
01:05:11,333 --> 01:05:13,893
Speaker 24: so we you know that that is that is a

1419
01:05:13,973 --> 01:05:17,133
Speaker 24: reality as well, so we're not We want to be

1420
01:05:17,173 --> 01:05:19,053
Speaker 24: able to work with the government about how we can

1421
01:05:19,133 --> 01:05:23,653
Speaker 24: content condense that training that training time frame. But there's

1422
01:05:23,653 --> 01:05:25,173
Speaker 24: a few things we've got to got to get over

1423
01:05:25,213 --> 01:05:25,813
Speaker 24: the line first.

1424
01:05:25,933 --> 01:05:28,853
Speaker 2: That's interesting about New Zealand conditions coming with particular West

1425
01:05:28,853 --> 01:05:31,173
Speaker 2: Indian Cricketer said that you have to be the best

1426
01:05:31,213 --> 01:05:35,053
Speaker 2: pilot in the world to land in New Zealand because

1427
01:05:35,133 --> 01:05:37,813
Speaker 2: you have to land the plane sideways, So do you

1428
01:05:38,013 --> 01:05:40,053
Speaker 2: have to be a better pilot than you have to be?

1429
01:05:40,173 --> 01:05:42,613
Speaker 2: Saying the outback of Australia or as you say, Arizona,

1430
01:05:43,773 --> 01:05:44,213
Speaker 2: you have to be a.

1431
01:05:44,173 --> 01:05:47,973
Speaker 24: Really good pilot. In Wellington today it's flowing a gale.

1432
01:05:48,933 --> 01:05:51,973
Speaker 24: But I think that's what makes that that's that's about

1433
01:05:52,013 --> 01:05:55,173
Speaker 24: the quality of our training because you know, New Zealand

1434
01:05:55,253 --> 01:05:58,893
Speaker 24: pilots learn to fly in really challenging conditions and it's

1435
01:05:58,933 --> 01:06:02,253
Speaker 24: not just the weather, it's the terrain as well. So

1436
01:06:02,373 --> 01:06:05,013
Speaker 24: that that that really goes to the quality of our

1437
01:06:05,293 --> 01:06:08,053
Speaker 24: of our training provision in New Zealanda pilots.

1438
01:06:07,773 --> 01:06:11,013
Speaker 3: Clearly that makes them pretty in demand internationally. Simon, what

1439
01:06:11,133 --> 01:06:13,093
Speaker 3: about the idea and it wasn't part of the plan,

1440
01:06:13,213 --> 01:06:15,493
Speaker 3: but there was some discussions about the idea of retention

1441
01:06:15,653 --> 01:06:18,253
Speaker 3: that you make it easier to become a pilot, but

1442
01:06:18,333 --> 01:06:20,373
Speaker 3: then you sign on to a retention scheme that you've

1443
01:06:20,373 --> 01:06:22,213
Speaker 3: got to work in the country for a year. Is

1444
01:06:22,333 --> 01:06:24,293
Speaker 3: there any benefit to an idea like that.

1445
01:06:25,253 --> 01:06:27,173
Speaker 24: I think all that's got to be looked at. You know,

1446
01:06:27,253 --> 01:06:30,213
Speaker 24: in New Zealand's got the program that they launched last

1447
01:06:30,293 --> 01:06:33,413
Speaker 24: year and they've got a bonding scheme of sorts. I'm

1448
01:06:33,453 --> 01:06:36,493
Speaker 24: not familiar with all the details, but you know that

1449
01:06:36,693 --> 01:06:40,933
Speaker 24: is happening. That happens in other professions, so that you know,

1450
01:06:41,013 --> 01:06:42,813
Speaker 24: there has to be part of the discussion as well.

1451
01:06:43,853 --> 01:06:48,253
Speaker 2: So looking at these if these reforms succeed, how much

1452
01:06:48,333 --> 01:06:51,733
Speaker 2: better or how different will the aviation industry in New Zealand?

1453
01:06:51,773 --> 01:06:51,933
Speaker 25: Look?

1454
01:06:52,013 --> 01:06:53,813
Speaker 2: And you know, ten years down the track, all will

1455
01:06:53,853 --> 01:06:54,653
Speaker 2: the solve our problems.

1456
01:06:57,533 --> 01:06:59,173
Speaker 24: There's got to be progress. You know, we've been talking

1457
01:06:59,213 --> 01:07:02,933
Speaker 24: about the stuff for ten years and there's got to

1458
01:07:02,973 --> 01:07:05,413
Speaker 24: be some change here and not where we are really

1459
01:07:05,493 --> 01:07:08,973
Speaker 24: positive as an association and as an industry out this plan,

1460
01:07:09,053 --> 01:07:11,773
Speaker 24: but there hasn't been an action plan in aviation for

1461
01:07:11,893 --> 01:07:14,693
Speaker 24: more than a couple of decades. So we've now got

1462
01:07:14,773 --> 01:07:16,493
Speaker 24: that and we've we've got to make good with that.

1463
01:07:16,573 --> 01:07:17,973
Speaker 24: And can I just say one other thing. There's an

1464
01:07:18,013 --> 01:07:23,253
Speaker 24: engineer shortage as well, and the shortages and in the engineering.

1465
01:07:23,573 --> 01:07:26,093
Speaker 2: Industry any controllers.

1466
01:07:25,653 --> 01:07:29,013
Speaker 24: Well, any traffic controllers. We're struggling to get air traffic

1467
01:07:29,053 --> 01:07:32,093
Speaker 24: controllers and places where they really needed, like Queenstown. So

1468
01:07:32,973 --> 01:07:34,133
Speaker 24: there's a whole lot of things going on.

1469
01:07:34,653 --> 01:07:37,613
Speaker 2: What's the pathway for those two professions, Like what's the

1470
01:07:37,693 --> 01:07:40,933
Speaker 2: engineer pathway like in the air traffic control training.

1471
01:07:41,413 --> 01:07:43,733
Speaker 24: Look, look, I can talk to the engineer one not

1472
01:07:44,213 --> 01:07:45,813
Speaker 24: so much of an expert on the on the ear

1473
01:07:45,853 --> 01:07:49,253
Speaker 24: traffic controllers. But you know we're only training. We've only

1474
01:07:49,293 --> 01:07:53,973
Speaker 24: got about one hundred four more training places for aviation

1475
01:07:54,213 --> 01:07:56,693
Speaker 24: engineers in New Zealand through through n m I T

1476
01:07:57,133 --> 01:08:00,053
Speaker 24: through in New Zealand and the Defense Force.

1477
01:08:00,293 --> 01:08:01,573
Speaker 7: It's not it's not enough.

1478
01:08:01,653 --> 01:08:04,573
Speaker 24: And we do we have demand from young young New

1479
01:08:04,613 --> 01:08:08,493
Speaker 24: Zealand it's wanting to be aviation engineers and it's not

1480
01:08:08,573 --> 01:08:11,493
Speaker 24: the same kind of we're not looking the same kind

1481
01:08:11,533 --> 01:08:14,413
Speaker 24: of of fees to train to be an engineer as

1482
01:08:14,493 --> 01:08:15,493
Speaker 24: we are a pilot.

1483
01:08:15,573 --> 01:08:16,532
Speaker 20: So it is.

1484
01:08:16,572 --> 01:08:20,173
Speaker 24: Affordable as we just have to make it accessible and

1485
01:08:20,253 --> 01:08:23,972
Speaker 24: we're three hundred short and we're relying on immigration. Government's

1486
01:08:23,973 --> 01:08:26,892
Speaker 24: got a growth agenda. We want to support that growth agender,

1487
01:08:27,652 --> 01:08:29,452
Speaker 24: but we need to engineer to sign off our planes

1488
01:08:29,492 --> 01:08:29,812
Speaker 24: as well.

1489
01:08:30,133 --> 01:08:33,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, Simon, really good to get your expertise and thoughts

1490
01:08:33,372 --> 01:08:35,452
Speaker 3: on this. Thank you very much for joining us, and

1491
01:08:35,612 --> 01:08:37,612
Speaker 3: we really hope it starts to make a difference because

1492
01:08:37,612 --> 01:08:39,612
Speaker 3: it is a massive industry in New Zealand. The amount

1493
01:08:39,652 --> 01:08:42,933
Speaker 3: of people employed and we heard earlier six percent of

1494
01:08:43,133 --> 01:08:46,732
Speaker 3: GDP of the country in terms of the amount of

1495
01:08:46,732 --> 01:08:48,333
Speaker 3: people they employ and the money they bring in.

1496
01:08:48,652 --> 01:08:50,253
Speaker 2: The aviation sector.

1497
01:08:50,412 --> 01:08:52,572
Speaker 3: Yeah wow, that's what sent yep, that's big.

1498
01:08:52,772 --> 01:08:53,572
Speaker 2: Well sort it out.

1499
01:08:53,732 --> 01:08:56,133
Speaker 3: Yeah right, we're taking more of your calls on one

1500
01:08:56,213 --> 01:08:58,612
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've gone through pilot training,

1501
01:08:58,732 --> 01:09:01,493
Speaker 3: love to hear your thoughts on these proposed changes sixteen

1502
01:09:01,612 --> 01:09:02,053
Speaker 3: to three.

1503
01:09:03,013 --> 01:09:05,932
Speaker 6: It's a fresh take on took back. It's Matt Heath

1504
01:09:05,973 --> 01:09:09,293
Speaker 6: and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your on eight.

1505
01:09:10,812 --> 01:09:12,252
Speaker 2: Talks B afternoon.

1506
01:09:12,333 --> 01:09:15,173
Speaker 3: There's been some big changes proposed to the aviation sector

1507
01:09:15,213 --> 01:09:17,892
Speaker 3: and one of those big changes is making it easier

1508
01:09:18,013 --> 01:09:19,132
Speaker 3: to train as a pilot.

1509
01:09:19,572 --> 01:09:21,732
Speaker 2: Bless us. Hey lads, I'm currently learning to fly down

1510
01:09:21,732 --> 01:09:24,932
Speaker 2: here in Wellington in a Piper Tomahawk just for PPL

1511
01:09:25,053 --> 01:09:28,052
Speaker 2: Private Pilot's license, too old to go for a CPL

1512
01:09:28,053 --> 01:09:30,772
Speaker 2: a commercial pilot's license. Under CPL, I believe you get

1513
01:09:30,893 --> 01:09:33,972
Speaker 2: rated on a specific type of aircraft single engine rating,

1514
01:09:34,133 --> 01:09:37,452
Speaker 2: then twin engine rating, night flying rating, et cetera. Different

1515
01:09:37,492 --> 01:09:41,292
Speaker 2: types of aircraft require you are rated for different aircraft

1516
01:09:41,452 --> 01:09:46,612
Speaker 2: types i e. A jet stream, a bombardare an ATR,

1517
01:09:46,853 --> 01:09:50,852
Speaker 2: et cetera. You can't just go from one pilot one

1518
01:09:50,893 --> 01:09:53,093
Speaker 2: plane to another without training in that particular aircraft. One

1519
01:09:53,093 --> 01:09:56,852
Speaker 2: would assume that includes whatever hours in the sim and

1520
01:09:57,253 --> 01:09:57,772
Speaker 2: up in the air.

1521
01:09:58,053 --> 01:10:00,572
Speaker 3: Interesting makes sense though, I mean, of course, yeah, I

1522
01:10:00,652 --> 01:10:02,132
Speaker 3: mean different machines.

1523
01:10:03,532 --> 01:10:06,452
Speaker 2: I mean there's a seven seven seven is very different

1524
01:10:07,492 --> 01:10:08,973
Speaker 2: from a little bombardier.

1525
01:10:09,173 --> 01:10:10,532
Speaker 3: Yeahel plane.

1526
01:10:11,133 --> 01:10:12,213
Speaker 2: Jesse, Welcome to the show.

1527
01:10:13,093 --> 01:10:14,012
Speaker 14: Good afternoon, lads.

1528
01:10:14,732 --> 01:10:16,492
Speaker 3: Very good to chat to you, Jesse, because you're a

1529
01:10:16,572 --> 01:10:17,652
Speaker 3: current pilot is that right?

1530
01:10:18,652 --> 01:10:18,852
Speaker 4: Sure?

1531
01:10:18,933 --> 01:10:21,932
Speaker 14: And I'm work for Quanos here in Wellington.

1532
01:10:21,973 --> 01:10:26,293
Speaker 3: Actually fantastic. So tell us about how you went for

1533
01:10:26,412 --> 01:10:29,213
Speaker 3: your training. Was that about a decade ago, was it?

1534
01:10:29,973 --> 01:10:30,173
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1535
01:10:30,213 --> 01:10:34,932
Speaker 26: So I started twenty eleven whenever the christ Church earthquakes happened,

1536
01:10:34,973 --> 01:10:38,053
Speaker 26: so that was a fun experience to start with. So

1537
01:10:38,173 --> 01:10:41,412
Speaker 26: I spent about a year training down in christ Church.

1538
01:10:42,412 --> 01:10:47,172
Speaker 26: On my course, there probably was about twelve to fourteen students,

1539
01:10:47,452 --> 01:10:50,293
Speaker 26: and probably now I can look back and say that

1540
01:10:50,412 --> 01:10:53,133
Speaker 26: at least half of them went through and finished all

1541
01:10:53,173 --> 01:10:56,972
Speaker 26: their training and then just never went and carried on flying.

1542
01:10:57,133 --> 01:10:59,532
Speaker 26: So they're doing completely other jobs. So that obviously doesn't

1543
01:10:59,532 --> 01:11:03,933
Speaker 26: help to the pilot shortage. I got my license and

1544
01:11:04,133 --> 01:11:06,293
Speaker 26: you guys have been talking about instructor rating, so I

1545
01:11:07,293 --> 01:11:09,852
Speaker 26: decided I'd become a structor, so you pay the extra

1546
01:11:10,213 --> 01:11:15,372
Speaker 26: twenty five grand and you do quite a little. It's

1547
01:11:15,532 --> 01:11:18,973
Speaker 26: a lot more compared to just your commercial license. You

1548
01:11:19,013 --> 01:11:21,972
Speaker 26: get to go into more detail about aircraft and how

1549
01:11:22,053 --> 01:11:24,852
Speaker 26: lift works and how drag works. So I look back

1550
01:11:24,893 --> 01:11:28,052
Speaker 26: on it now and actually quite enjoyed taking the instructor route.

1551
01:11:29,612 --> 01:11:32,973
Speaker 26: I ended up trying to work in New Zealand at

1552
01:11:33,013 --> 01:11:35,093
Speaker 26: the time, and trying to get your first flying job

1553
01:11:35,333 --> 01:11:38,333
Speaker 26: is probably the hardest thing you'll ever do in your

1554
01:11:38,372 --> 01:11:41,293
Speaker 26: flying career, and it wasn't working for me in New Zealand.

1555
01:11:41,412 --> 01:11:45,812
Speaker 26: So packed up, sold everything, moved to Australia, but done

1556
01:11:45,853 --> 01:11:48,133
Speaker 26: some fred couches for a couple of months and ended

1557
01:11:48,213 --> 01:11:51,293
Speaker 26: up in a small country town in Western Australia called Bundry,

1558
01:11:52,173 --> 01:11:57,013
Speaker 26: and started by instructing over there. Of course, got to

1559
01:11:57,053 --> 01:11:59,813
Speaker 26: do a whole lot of different flying over there in Australia.

1560
01:12:00,372 --> 01:12:03,892
Speaker 26: It's quite different to New Zealand. The last caller talking about,

1561
01:12:05,293 --> 01:12:07,652
Speaker 26: you know, all your terrain and your weather and all

1562
01:12:07,692 --> 01:12:09,492
Speaker 26: that sort of thing, So you get to learn a

1563
01:12:09,532 --> 01:12:14,972
Speaker 26: whole lot of different stuff flying somewhere else. But even

1564
01:12:15,013 --> 01:12:18,213
Speaker 26: when you're instructor, you build your hours right and you're

1565
01:12:18,213 --> 01:12:24,852
Speaker 26: getting paid to build your hours realistically, and the hours

1566
01:12:24,933 --> 01:12:27,573
Speaker 26: is what you need to get into your to your airlines.

1567
01:12:29,333 --> 01:12:29,492
Speaker 22: Now.

1568
01:12:29,933 --> 01:12:33,772
Speaker 26: I moved to Adelaide, got a couple of different instructing

1569
01:12:33,812 --> 01:12:36,612
Speaker 26: gigs over there. Again they don't pay very well, but

1570
01:12:36,853 --> 01:12:39,532
Speaker 26: that's what you need to do. Move back to New

1571
01:12:39,652 --> 01:12:44,613
Speaker 26: Zealand in twenty sixteen and ended up flying the atrs

1572
01:12:44,652 --> 01:12:49,093
Speaker 26: within New Zealand for a few years. Started off as

1573
01:12:49,133 --> 01:12:52,612
Speaker 26: your first officer and then became a captain, which in

1574
01:12:52,692 --> 01:12:58,932
Speaker 26: your aviation career is probably in a pinnacle. But decided

1575
01:12:58,973 --> 01:13:00,612
Speaker 26: that hey, I want to fly something bigger and better

1576
01:13:00,652 --> 01:13:04,372
Speaker 26: and faster, and that's why I'm flying the seven three

1577
01:13:04,452 --> 01:13:10,652
Speaker 26: with Quannas now talking to or listening to the other

1578
01:13:10,933 --> 01:13:12,852
Speaker 26: callers about all the funding and that sort of thing.

1579
01:13:12,973 --> 01:13:17,812
Speaker 26: Back when I started, you you could finance the whole amount,

1580
01:13:18,013 --> 01:13:21,852
Speaker 26: and my loan ended up at over one hundred thousand dollars.

1581
01:13:22,772 --> 01:13:27,093
Speaker 26: Moving to Australia meant that I then had interest on

1582
01:13:27,213 --> 01:13:31,493
Speaker 26: that student loan because I've moved away, and they introduced

1583
01:13:31,572 --> 01:13:35,253
Speaker 26: minimum repayments of five thousand dollars a year because they

1584
01:13:35,293 --> 01:13:39,212
Speaker 26: couldn't tack into our salary and take out the money.

1585
01:13:39,053 --> 01:13:44,293
Speaker 14: Black IID does here so I've literally only just paid

1586
01:13:44,293 --> 01:13:47,933
Speaker 14: my student loan off two weeks ago. So that was

1587
01:13:48,572 --> 01:13:49,253
Speaker 14: a really good.

1588
01:13:49,133 --> 01:13:51,692
Speaker 26: Result of trying and get that taken because it's a

1589
01:13:51,732 --> 01:13:54,133
Speaker 26: lot of money that comes out of here, out of

1590
01:13:54,213 --> 01:13:54,732
Speaker 26: your salary.

1591
01:13:55,732 --> 01:13:57,133
Speaker 2: Well good on you. It sounds like you have to

1592
01:13:57,293 --> 01:14:00,132
Speaker 2: believe in the dream and the dedication and do whatever

1593
01:14:00,213 --> 01:14:02,333
Speaker 2: it takes to get there. A quick couple of questions.

1594
01:14:02,372 --> 01:14:05,213
Speaker 2: I've only got another forty seconds, so I'll give them both.

1595
01:14:05,293 --> 01:14:07,933
Speaker 2: You are you familiar with the greatest ATR pilot this

1596
01:14:07,973 --> 01:14:12,412
Speaker 2: country ever known, Captain Scott Buttery? And secondly yea. But

1597
01:14:12,812 --> 01:14:14,333
Speaker 2: on second true that you have to ram it in

1598
01:14:14,452 --> 01:14:16,692
Speaker 2: like a tent pier landing in napier in an ATR.

1599
01:14:17,732 --> 01:14:17,892
Speaker 25: Oh.

1600
01:14:18,053 --> 01:14:20,253
Speaker 26: Look, I've landed a napier a few times depending on

1601
01:14:20,333 --> 01:14:23,213
Speaker 26: what the weather was like in an AhR. But I'll

1602
01:14:23,213 --> 01:14:25,572
Speaker 26: tell you what flying a jet into Wellington.

1603
01:14:25,333 --> 01:14:28,972
Speaker 14: In a gusty day like today is. It's a great feeling.

1604
01:14:29,053 --> 01:14:30,092
Speaker 14: I love being in Welington.

1605
01:14:30,732 --> 01:14:30,932
Speaker 7: Yep.

1606
01:14:31,452 --> 01:14:33,173
Speaker 2: That's when you prove that you're a great pilot and

1607
01:14:33,253 --> 01:14:34,932
Speaker 2: you've got the skills to get it done.

1608
01:14:36,492 --> 01:14:39,133
Speaker 3: Yes, you're on the right job. Thank you so much.

1609
01:14:39,173 --> 01:14:41,213
Speaker 2: We called you. See, I'm glad people like you stick

1610
01:14:41,253 --> 01:14:43,492
Speaker 2: it out. Yeah, what we need you to fly us around.

1611
01:14:43,612 --> 01:14:44,293
Speaker 3: What a good man?

1612
01:14:44,452 --> 01:14:44,612
Speaker 20: Right?

1613
01:14:44,732 --> 01:14:47,053
Speaker 3: It is eight minutes to three beag very shortly here

1614
01:14:47,093 --> 01:14:47,933
Speaker 3: on Newstalks B.

1615
01:14:48,173 --> 01:14:52,213
Speaker 2: Love Captain Scott Buttery, the issues that affect you and

1616
01:14:52,372 --> 01:14:53,612
Speaker 2: a bit of fun along the way.

1617
01:14:53,893 --> 01:14:56,692
Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

1618
01:14:56,572 --> 01:15:01,532
Speaker 3: Talks B, News Talks B. It is four to two three.

1619
01:15:02,053 --> 01:15:05,732
Speaker 3: What a great discussion thinking everybody who called an texts

1620
01:15:05,933 --> 01:15:09,452
Speaker 3: on that. A couple of texts to this one up.

1621
01:15:10,293 --> 01:15:13,812
Speaker 2: I'm retired after fifty five years flying, started fixed wings,

1622
01:15:14,013 --> 01:15:16,972
Speaker 2: egg flying, then helicopter's logging and heavy lifting, moved into

1623
01:15:17,013 --> 01:15:19,372
Speaker 2: offshore oil support for the last thirty years. It took

1624
01:15:19,452 --> 01:15:21,892
Speaker 2: me around the world and the best occupation one could

1625
01:15:21,973 --> 01:15:25,532
Speaker 2: have a life of fun and excitement from John, what

1626
01:15:25,692 --> 01:15:26,173
Speaker 2: a good man.

1627
01:15:26,412 --> 01:15:28,372
Speaker 3: That does sound very exciting and fun.

1628
01:15:28,612 --> 01:15:30,013
Speaker 2: And this is a good point. It sounds like it's

1629
01:15:30,053 --> 01:15:32,013
Speaker 2: the airlines. They should have a clear pathway for their

1630
01:15:32,013 --> 01:15:34,333
Speaker 2: own industry. After all, it's in their best interest. The

1631
01:15:34,412 --> 01:15:39,612
Speaker 2: system seems a little cooked. Ah yeah, I mean as

1632
01:15:39,652 --> 01:15:41,492
Speaker 2: their plan just to import pilots from overseas.

1633
01:15:42,093 --> 01:15:44,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like it a great discussion. Thank you

1634
01:15:44,612 --> 01:15:46,772
Speaker 3: very much, and we'll see where that action plan ends up.

1635
01:15:46,812 --> 01:15:49,893
Speaker 3: But it seems positive overall. Right, coming up, this is

1636
01:15:49,973 --> 01:15:52,733
Speaker 3: going to be a great chat. Has gen X been overlooked?

1637
01:15:52,812 --> 01:15:55,133
Speaker 3: Caught between the boomers and the millennials?

1638
01:15:55,213 --> 01:15:58,253
Speaker 2: Mets is yes, and that also says Captain Scott Butter.

1639
01:15:58,333 --> 01:16:00,173
Speaker 2: He's a bit heavy on the stick, but he's a

1640
01:16:00,253 --> 01:16:02,213
Speaker 2: good kid, the best of us. You want them behind

1641
01:16:02,213 --> 01:16:03,173
Speaker 2: the wheels of your ati.

1642
01:16:03,853 --> 01:16:06,692
Speaker 3: It's three minutes to three New Sport and we're the

1643
01:16:06,772 --> 01:16:09,892
Speaker 3: fast approaching. Say right, it will be back very shortly.

1644
01:16:10,293 --> 01:16:11,412
Speaker 2: Gen X rules.

1645
01:16:14,853 --> 01:16:19,172
Speaker 1: Your new home for instal and Entertaining Talk. It's Mattie

1646
01:16:19,412 --> 01:16:22,492
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

1647
01:16:22,612 --> 01:16:26,333
Speaker 3: Sebby, very good afternoon to you, welcome back into the show.

1648
01:16:26,572 --> 01:16:29,972
Speaker 3: Seven past three. There is going to be a great chat.

1649
01:16:30,093 --> 01:16:32,612
Speaker 3: So a story about gen X, and it makes the

1650
01:16:32,652 --> 01:16:35,772
Speaker 3: point has gen X been overlooked? Caught between the boomers

1651
01:16:35,893 --> 01:16:38,692
Speaker 3: and the millennials? Many gen xers say they are the

1652
01:16:38,933 --> 01:16:43,372
Speaker 3: unsung influences shaping family, tech and the economy. That is

1653
01:16:43,412 --> 01:16:44,053
Speaker 3: a massive call.

1654
01:16:44,893 --> 01:16:48,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's so many reasons and I'd love

1655
01:16:48,452 --> 01:16:51,213
Speaker 2: to hear from my gen X brothers and sisters. I

1656
01:16:51,253 --> 01:16:53,452
Speaker 2: tight hundred eighty ten eighty. But I think there are

1657
01:16:53,452 --> 01:16:55,572
Speaker 2: a lot of reasons to think that whilst we may

1658
01:16:55,652 --> 01:16:59,572
Speaker 2: be slightly forgotten, generation, were actually incredible, powerful generation that

1659
01:16:59,772 --> 01:17:03,253
Speaker 2: was brought up tough, but it's quietly just going about

1660
01:17:03,293 --> 01:17:05,813
Speaker 2: the business of running the whole world with the Millennials

1661
01:17:06,213 --> 01:17:09,772
Speaker 2: and the boomers yells stuff at each other. You know,

1662
01:17:10,013 --> 01:17:13,013
Speaker 2: we were latch key kids. It's very different from from

1663
01:17:13,093 --> 01:17:16,013
Speaker 2: your generation. There was no one at home when we

1664
01:17:16,093 --> 01:17:20,772
Speaker 2: came home from school, generally speaking, there were We were

1665
01:17:20,812 --> 01:17:23,412
Speaker 2: the ones across the you know, we grow up with

1666
01:17:23,732 --> 01:17:29,772
Speaker 2: mixtapes and rewinding cassettes and vhs, you know, unlike the

1667
01:17:30,093 --> 01:17:33,293
Speaker 2: digital world that the millennials grew up in. We had

1668
01:17:33,452 --> 01:17:36,492
Speaker 2: crazy pop culture, probably the best pop culture ever, I

1669
01:17:36,572 --> 01:17:41,492
Speaker 2: mean grunge. Of the movies that we loved. Fight Club,

1670
01:17:41,572 --> 01:17:47,213
Speaker 2: for example, is a fantastic movie where we basically fashioned

1671
01:17:47,253 --> 01:17:51,572
Speaker 2: ourselves completely on Star Wars. We were we were raised

1672
01:17:51,612 --> 01:17:54,093
Speaker 2: in a much more dangerous way than you were as

1673
01:17:54,133 --> 01:17:58,973
Speaker 2: a millennial. And it's definitely Z's were at like essentially

1674
01:18:00,213 --> 01:18:04,852
Speaker 2: zero Guardrails started smoking at thirteen. Most of us. Our

1675
01:18:04,933 --> 01:18:10,213
Speaker 2: playgrounds were basically death traps. I'm just trying to think

1676
01:18:10,213 --> 01:18:13,253
Speaker 2: of other things. There was no YouTube clips for solving problems.

1677
01:18:13,372 --> 01:18:15,492
Speaker 3: That's a good list, an absolute coming through.

1678
01:18:15,812 --> 01:18:18,772
Speaker 2: You know, our music situation was phenomenal with you know,

1679
01:18:18,933 --> 01:18:23,892
Speaker 2: Nirvana and many other bands, Pearl Jam and nineties hip

1680
01:18:23,933 --> 01:18:26,093
Speaker 2: hop phenomenon that I could go on and on on.

1681
01:18:26,732 --> 01:18:29,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm going to defend millennials here now. So

1682
01:18:30,572 --> 01:18:34,333
Speaker 3: here's where the millennials are absolutely kick ass, and Boomers

1683
01:18:34,372 --> 01:18:35,732
Speaker 3: we want to hear from you as well. But here's

1684
01:18:35,772 --> 01:18:38,452
Speaker 3: what millennials. Millennials have always done well, and I think

1685
01:18:38,532 --> 01:18:42,572
Speaker 3: we get We get way too much hate. That shouldn't

1686
01:18:42,612 --> 01:18:45,093
Speaker 3: really be our fault. You know, we get blamed for

1687
01:18:45,452 --> 01:18:48,732
Speaker 3: the Generation Z and some of the foibles of that generation.

1688
01:18:49,053 --> 01:18:51,253
Speaker 3: It's not millennial's fault. We're kind of in that middle

1689
01:18:51,293 --> 01:18:53,492
Speaker 3: ground as well. But somehow we get lumped with all

1690
01:18:53,612 --> 01:18:56,452
Speaker 3: the problems of the world. We didn't start that stuff.

1691
01:18:56,492 --> 01:19:00,212
Speaker 3: We're just the products of Generation X and the boomers

1692
01:19:00,213 --> 01:19:00,492
Speaker 3: as well.

1693
01:19:00,692 --> 01:19:06,532
Speaker 2: Aren't you just basically mental health day if you've got

1694
01:19:06,572 --> 01:19:10,652
Speaker 2: to hang over Harry Potter obsessed softies? Isn't that what

1695
01:19:11,333 --> 01:19:14,692
Speaker 2: millennials are? And didn't you start everything that? We're all

1696
01:19:14,732 --> 01:19:17,973
Speaker 2: the weakness and all the hr problems that that workplaces at.

1697
01:19:18,133 --> 01:19:20,173
Speaker 3: Harry Potter is a great book and a great movie.

1698
01:19:20,293 --> 01:19:23,333
Speaker 3: But we're early adopters. We're very good with technology. And

1699
01:19:23,412 --> 01:19:27,852
Speaker 3: you're right, I think millennials quite often value meaning over money.

1700
01:19:28,093 --> 01:19:30,053
Speaker 3: Isn't that a great trait? That money is a great

1701
01:19:30,093 --> 01:19:32,013
Speaker 3: thing to have, But we like meaning in the.

1702
01:19:32,013 --> 01:19:35,852
Speaker 2: World and wet gen X with the original no sellout generation,

1703
01:19:36,213 --> 01:19:38,093
Speaker 2: I mean that was the most important thing for gen

1704
01:19:38,293 --> 01:19:40,053
Speaker 2: X people was to not sell out. Yeah, I mean

1705
01:19:40,093 --> 01:19:42,692
Speaker 2: we have sold out now, and that happens to everyone

1706
01:19:42,732 --> 01:19:46,973
Speaker 2: as they get older, it does, but gen X was

1707
01:19:47,093 --> 01:19:50,013
Speaker 2: that was the most important thing on absolutely everything from

1708
01:19:50,333 --> 01:19:56,093
Speaker 2: from sport to movies to music. Even the people in

1709
01:19:56,133 --> 01:19:59,253
Speaker 2: advertising industry were all talking about not selling out. So

1710
01:19:59,933 --> 01:20:02,812
Speaker 2: I think gen X. But but there are also another

1711
01:20:02,973 --> 01:20:06,492
Speaker 2: argument to this, right, So you say that, you know,

1712
01:20:06,652 --> 01:20:09,652
Speaker 2: millennials have been talked about being week week and whimpy

1713
01:20:09,732 --> 01:20:15,532
Speaker 2: and slack and lame and and you know, having no

1714
01:20:15,692 --> 01:20:19,253
Speaker 2: resolve or ambition and just sort of floating around like

1715
01:20:19,293 --> 01:20:22,933
Speaker 2: a feather in the wind crying. People say that. But

1716
01:20:23,013 --> 01:20:26,093
Speaker 2: people said about the the gen X called it was

1717
01:20:26,133 --> 01:20:29,372
Speaker 2: the slacker generation. Yeah, so the boomers were calling the

1718
01:20:29,652 --> 01:20:32,372
Speaker 2: gen X before they stopped hassling gen X and start

1719
01:20:32,452 --> 01:20:36,852
Speaker 2: hassling millennials and millennials started their fight with boomers. It

1720
01:20:37,013 --> 01:20:40,012
Speaker 2: was gen X were considered the slackest generation of all time.

1721
01:20:40,053 --> 01:20:41,812
Speaker 2: It was all, I'm a loser, baby, so why don't

1722
01:20:41,812 --> 01:20:42,173
Speaker 2: you kill me?

1723
01:20:42,412 --> 01:20:42,612
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1724
01:20:43,093 --> 01:20:46,293
Speaker 3: Exactly? So how did you escape that? Eight hundred eighty

1725
01:20:46,452 --> 01:20:48,372
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call? So do you

1726
01:20:48,532 --> 01:20:51,853
Speaker 3: agree with this article? Are gen X the quiet achievers?

1727
01:20:51,973 --> 01:20:54,893
Speaker 3: Are they sitting there influencing the world while millennials and

1728
01:20:55,013 --> 01:20:55,812
Speaker 3: boomers go at it?

1729
01:20:56,492 --> 01:20:59,612
Speaker 2: Boomers had the best years, Millennials are soft? Is this Texter?

1730
01:20:59,772 --> 01:21:01,612
Speaker 3: All right? We'll come on through. I wait one hundred

1731
01:21:01,732 --> 01:21:02,452
Speaker 3: eighty eight.

1732
01:21:02,973 --> 01:21:04,973
Speaker 2: Tony says gen X a delusion of their music was

1733
01:21:05,013 --> 01:21:07,572
Speaker 2: crap and probably doesn't even deserve to be called music.

1734
01:21:07,732 --> 01:21:08,892
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, was in a great era.

1735
01:21:09,213 --> 01:21:10,412
Speaker 2: Well some of it wasn't great.

1736
01:21:10,612 --> 01:21:13,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I had a few hits in there. Yeah yeah,

1737
01:21:13,093 --> 01:21:13,852
Speaker 3: Na Vanna's pretty good.

1738
01:21:13,853 --> 01:21:17,293
Speaker 2: You've got a bit of time for a Snoop Dogg

1739
01:21:17,372 --> 01:21:17,892
Speaker 2: and Doctor Dre.

1740
01:21:18,093 --> 01:21:21,252
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's go yeah, us talks'd be very good afternoon.

1741
01:21:21,372 --> 01:21:24,013
Speaker 3: Choose so an article about gen X? They call it

1742
01:21:24,053 --> 01:21:26,253
Speaker 3: a forgotten generation, but it's not really the point. So

1743
01:21:26,372 --> 01:21:28,412
Speaker 3: the point of the article was that that is a

1744
01:21:28,492 --> 01:21:32,892
Speaker 3: generation quietly, quietly destroying the world and destroying the studio

1745
01:21:32,973 --> 01:21:36,492
Speaker 3: Matte heathenixyl see that's the sort of behavior you gen

1746
01:21:36,652 --> 01:21:37,173
Speaker 3: x's are up to.

1747
01:21:37,452 --> 01:21:39,412
Speaker 2: Well, well, it's funny because someone's just texting through a

1748
01:21:39,452 --> 01:21:41,612
Speaker 2: gen X. We have more hardcore than millennials because we

1749
01:21:41,732 --> 01:21:44,692
Speaker 2: drink water from the tap in the hose. Yeah, but

1750
01:21:44,732 --> 01:21:47,093
Speaker 2: then where I saw that? I knocked over my little

1751
01:21:47,652 --> 01:21:48,852
Speaker 2: you know, it's.

1752
01:21:48,692 --> 01:21:50,933
Speaker 3: A very millennial water bottle. You got there, mate, my

1753
01:21:50,933 --> 01:21:53,572
Speaker 3: little sick cup water bottle. But what do you say?

1754
01:21:53,732 --> 01:21:55,692
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call?

1755
01:21:55,732 --> 01:21:58,013
Speaker 3: A fewtiqs coming through on this one on nineteen ninety two.

1756
01:21:58,293 --> 01:22:01,452
Speaker 2: Working in hospitality, Millennials are the most polite and understanding

1757
01:22:01,492 --> 01:22:03,612
Speaker 2: when it comes to the customers. Boomers are the ruders.

1758
01:22:04,093 --> 01:22:07,732
Speaker 2: But what are millennials like behind the counter? I think

1759
01:22:07,772 --> 01:22:09,532
Speaker 2: there's there's a there's a problem with a lot of

1760
01:22:09,572 --> 01:22:12,372
Speaker 2: gen z behind the counter. Just bring another generation with

1761
01:22:12,572 --> 01:22:16,852
Speaker 2: the inability to even deal with an adult in any

1762
01:22:16,973 --> 01:22:19,812
Speaker 2: kind of you know, sensible way. Yeah, you know, the

1763
01:22:19,933 --> 01:22:22,213
Speaker 2: look in the eyes and ask a question. That's sort

1764
01:22:22,253 --> 01:22:25,692
Speaker 2: of just the staring down at your feet, sort of

1765
01:22:25,853 --> 01:22:30,972
Speaker 2: like an emotional hemophiliate. Peter, you're a child of the seventies.

1766
01:22:32,213 --> 01:22:32,973
Speaker 18: Yeah, I'm a I.

1767
01:22:33,013 --> 01:22:36,333
Speaker 9: Think I'm a gymini seventy two born around that.

1768
01:22:36,532 --> 01:22:38,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, gen X, we should actually look at where the

1769
01:22:38,173 --> 01:22:38,772
Speaker 2: exact data.

1770
01:22:40,173 --> 01:22:46,412
Speaker 22: Yeah, I just think we were the generation of doing Yeah.

1771
01:22:46,452 --> 01:22:49,293
Speaker 22: I think there was like we can kind of blean

1772
01:22:49,372 --> 01:22:52,892
Speaker 22: that to boomers quite easily and then kind of blend

1773
01:22:52,933 --> 01:22:57,652
Speaker 22: them to actors as well. We're kind of yea, well,

1774
01:22:57,812 --> 01:23:02,173
Speaker 22: it's like Aquarius, you're over December or a January child, right,

1775
01:23:02,372 --> 01:23:06,213
Speaker 22: So I just think we're good at blending men. But

1776
01:23:06,412 --> 01:23:10,692
Speaker 22: we didn't take any crap. You know, when we were

1777
01:23:10,732 --> 01:23:14,372
Speaker 22: growing up in the late seventies early eighties, it was

1778
01:23:14,893 --> 01:23:18,253
Speaker 22: you either did it or you did it, and you know,

1779
01:23:18,652 --> 01:23:20,692
Speaker 22: there was time to be bored at all. We never

1780
01:23:20,772 --> 01:23:25,572
Speaker 22: had the technology we do, but we're good at kind

1781
01:23:25,652 --> 01:23:26,732
Speaker 22: of doing stuff still.

1782
01:23:27,372 --> 01:23:29,692
Speaker 21: And you know you never complained.

1783
01:23:30,372 --> 01:23:34,253
Speaker 9: Yeah, now you just you just kind of see a

1784
01:23:34,333 --> 01:23:36,812
Speaker 9: whole bunch of bs. And a prime example of Matt

1785
01:23:36,853 --> 01:23:40,372
Speaker 9: when you Infred the show was you listed fifteen things

1786
01:23:40,452 --> 01:23:43,013
Speaker 9: and then you went on to the millennial and you

1787
01:23:43,133 --> 01:23:50,333
Speaker 9: struggled with four we've done on purpose. But that's exactly

1788
01:23:51,013 --> 01:23:53,893
Speaker 9: what it's about, is like, oh, they might be a

1789
01:23:53,973 --> 01:23:58,133
Speaker 9: little bit forgiving towards this and that, but cheap as

1790
01:23:58,213 --> 01:24:00,972
Speaker 9: in the seventies early eighties, you didn't have a choice.

1791
01:24:01,013 --> 01:24:04,213
Speaker 9: You told the line, but you were also in awe

1792
01:24:04,333 --> 01:24:06,852
Speaker 9: of some of the boomers what they got up to. Yeah,

1793
01:24:07,452 --> 01:24:11,452
Speaker 9: and you jump the cross and I think we're there.

1794
01:24:11,532 --> 01:24:13,692
Speaker 9: I say it like the Italians during World War Two.

1795
01:24:13,732 --> 01:24:16,173
Speaker 9: We sit on the fence and we can get away

1796
01:24:16,213 --> 01:24:18,973
Speaker 9: with a neck or a boomer, then we'll take it.

1797
01:24:19,133 --> 01:24:21,852
Speaker 2: But it's interesting what you say about about being able

1798
01:24:21,893 --> 01:24:24,452
Speaker 2: to do things though, But I'm blowing away by what

1799
01:24:24,853 --> 01:24:27,333
Speaker 2: a lot of boomers can practically do compared to the

1800
01:24:27,412 --> 01:24:29,812
Speaker 2: generations after them. Like I've talked on the show before

1801
01:24:29,812 --> 01:24:31,972
Speaker 2: about how my dad and his brother can just knock

1802
01:24:32,053 --> 01:24:36,253
Speaker 2: up anything. They can fix anything, knock up anything. It

1803
01:24:36,412 --> 01:24:39,133
Speaker 2: was just a standard given that you could do a

1804
01:24:39,213 --> 01:24:40,973
Speaker 2: bunch of things that a lot of people can't do.

1805
01:24:41,133 --> 01:24:43,372
Speaker 2: Now I've talked about you know, my dad, if he

1806
01:24:43,452 --> 01:24:45,732
Speaker 2: needs something, he'll just knock up a shed. You come

1807
01:24:45,812 --> 01:24:47,293
Speaker 2: back and he's gone. I needed a shed for that,

1808
01:24:47,412 --> 01:24:49,772
Speaker 2: So he's knocked it together. Or you know, my uncle

1809
01:24:49,893 --> 01:24:52,492
Speaker 2: he built a whole library in his backyard, you know,

1810
01:24:52,692 --> 01:24:54,933
Speaker 2: just because he wanted somebody to keep his box. And

1811
01:24:55,492 --> 01:24:57,893
Speaker 2: he's just out there knocking it together. And you know,

1812
01:24:58,933 --> 01:25:00,532
Speaker 2: I think I know a little bit from what my

1813
01:25:00,652 --> 01:25:05,372
Speaker 2: dad's taught me, but nothing just the the the level

1814
01:25:05,452 --> 01:25:08,412
Speaker 2: of knowledge, and you know, things like I mean this

1815
01:25:08,532 --> 01:25:10,812
Speaker 2: is going to sound crazy, but darning socks.

1816
01:25:11,893 --> 01:25:13,372
Speaker 3: You know, I don't even know what that word means.

1817
01:25:13,572 --> 01:25:15,253
Speaker 2: So so a sock would get a hole in it,

1818
01:25:15,853 --> 01:25:17,293
Speaker 2: and a Boomer will sew that up.

1819
01:25:17,572 --> 01:25:19,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but waste not, want not.

1820
01:25:19,532 --> 01:25:22,612
Speaker 2: But most gen X and millennials will if that sock out.

1821
01:25:22,812 --> 01:25:25,213
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent.

1822
01:25:25,333 --> 01:25:25,452
Speaker 8: Right.

1823
01:25:25,532 --> 01:25:25,692
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1824
01:25:25,732 --> 01:25:29,053
Speaker 9: We were also that generation that could make out the

1825
01:25:29,213 --> 01:25:35,692
Speaker 9: bamboo deadly weapons of peace shooters and yeah, you know, yeah,

1826
01:25:35,732 --> 01:25:38,692
Speaker 9: we used to tie string onto the end of bolts

1827
01:25:38,772 --> 01:25:41,652
Speaker 9: and see how fly far they can fly in the air,

1828
01:25:41,812 --> 01:25:44,852
Speaker 9: or tie a skyrocket onto a bit of string.

1829
01:25:44,732 --> 01:25:48,933
Speaker 2: And you know, hold hands, how many pohas could you

1830
01:25:49,293 --> 01:25:50,293
Speaker 2: light and hold in your hands?

1831
01:25:51,572 --> 01:25:55,812
Speaker 9: Yeah, like there wasn't a letter box safe. But I

1832
01:25:55,893 --> 01:26:00,213
Speaker 9: think we're lucky, lucky for a gen X, gen Y

1833
01:26:00,812 --> 01:26:04,452
Speaker 9: and even Boomer to actually still be around and talk

1834
01:26:04,452 --> 01:26:07,692
Speaker 9: about those figures, these millennials.

1835
01:26:07,293 --> 01:26:10,732
Speaker 3: Just well, just here's where I come into you two

1836
01:26:10,853 --> 01:26:14,772
Speaker 3: gen x's. Is that you mentioned YouTube gen x'es. Yep, yep,

1837
01:26:14,893 --> 01:26:18,372
Speaker 3: you mean you mentioned Yeah, you mentioned the Boomers before,

1838
01:26:18,412 --> 01:26:20,372
Speaker 3: and they had all these skills. That was up to

1839
01:26:20,532 --> 01:26:24,612
Speaker 3: you guys to learn all of those fantastic Boomers skills

1840
01:26:24,812 --> 01:26:26,692
Speaker 3: and then pass them down to us millennials. So it's

1841
01:26:26,772 --> 01:26:29,173
Speaker 3: your problem that a lot of millennials out there are

1842
01:26:29,213 --> 01:26:31,973
Speaker 3: bloody useless because you you didn't learn anything, and you

1843
01:26:32,013 --> 01:26:34,812
Speaker 3: didn't pass anything down and just kept it to yourself.

1844
01:26:35,612 --> 01:26:39,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe no, you go, Peter, Sorry, I'm going.

1845
01:26:39,532 --> 01:26:41,133
Speaker 9: To say, I know where you were going to say,

1846
01:26:41,173 --> 01:26:45,372
Speaker 9: Mane Tyler, you needed to learn. If you weren't prepared

1847
01:26:45,452 --> 01:26:49,093
Speaker 9: to learn, you weren't taught right, and you learned. You

1848
01:26:49,213 --> 01:26:50,093
Speaker 9: learned by doing so.

1849
01:26:50,173 --> 01:26:51,253
Speaker 15: Have you went out the.

1850
01:26:51,333 --> 01:26:53,972
Speaker 9: Back of the the bosh for the boys to play

1851
01:26:54,093 --> 01:26:57,372
Speaker 9: dirt wars, but you sat back and picked daisy. You

1852
01:26:57,412 --> 01:27:00,372
Speaker 9: wouldn't know what. You wouldn't know what a mud with

1853
01:27:00,492 --> 01:27:02,612
Speaker 9: a bit of rock stuck into it felt like when

1854
01:27:02,652 --> 01:27:06,452
Speaker 9: it smacked against your head. You just ended up being

1855
01:27:06,532 --> 01:27:09,133
Speaker 9: that little kid that we as unpoot all day long.

1856
01:27:10,412 --> 01:27:12,812
Speaker 2: You're making some good points, Peter, and I just want

1857
01:27:12,853 --> 01:27:14,812
Speaker 2: to reminisce it about something that my friends and I

1858
01:27:14,893 --> 01:27:17,812
Speaker 2: used to do. We'd get a bit of wood, you

1859
01:27:17,893 --> 01:27:20,013
Speaker 2: put a nail in it, and then you saw the

1860
01:27:20,133 --> 01:27:22,333
Speaker 2: nail off, and then you stick these things, this fruits

1861
01:27:22,412 --> 01:27:24,532
Speaker 2: that we call bomby knockers, and you stick them on

1862
01:27:24,612 --> 01:27:24,892
Speaker 2: them and.

1863
01:27:24,973 --> 01:27:27,572
Speaker 3: You just threw them, and boy they would hurt. And

1864
01:27:27,652 --> 01:27:30,013
Speaker 3: we spend so much of our time just throwing these

1865
01:27:30,093 --> 01:27:32,012
Speaker 3: hard fruit. I wonder what some of the people, someone

1866
01:27:32,093 --> 01:27:33,772
Speaker 3: from a target will know what this fruit is called.

1867
01:27:33,812 --> 01:27:36,452
Speaker 3: They will at this little hard nut like fruit that

1868
01:27:36,532 --> 01:27:38,253
Speaker 3: was growing everywhere that you could throw at people.

1869
01:27:38,532 --> 01:27:41,412
Speaker 2: And that was some serious fun. But what what we had,

1870
01:27:41,492 --> 01:27:44,253
Speaker 2: Peter and I think we should be very grateful for

1871
01:27:44,333 --> 01:27:47,053
Speaker 2: this is to have formative years without social media and

1872
01:27:47,133 --> 01:27:50,092
Speaker 2: without everyone having a camera in their in their pocket

1873
01:27:50,452 --> 01:27:53,293
Speaker 2: to record the most humiliating things that we've we've done.

1874
01:27:53,772 --> 01:27:55,532
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel very very grateful for that.

1875
01:27:56,933 --> 01:28:00,012
Speaker 9: Yeah, but we we didn't kind of have a form

1876
01:28:00,093 --> 01:28:02,852
Speaker 9: of that of the old neighbor three doors down that

1877
01:28:03,133 --> 01:28:07,452
Speaker 9: used to tell your parents up to you they can't

1878
01:28:08,652 --> 01:28:14,532
Speaker 9: was in my back garden, you know, and that had

1879
01:28:14,853 --> 01:28:18,492
Speaker 9: happened often. Yeah, I got your neighbor by cutting down

1880
01:28:18,572 --> 01:28:19,812
Speaker 9: the panetry.

1881
01:28:21,692 --> 01:28:23,333
Speaker 2: And you know there was a chance that they might

1882
01:28:23,412 --> 01:28:26,012
Speaker 2: spend some money on a high eight camera and actually

1883
01:28:26,053 --> 01:28:28,772
Speaker 2: film you on a tape. Deliver the tape to your parents.

1884
01:28:29,133 --> 01:28:31,572
Speaker 3: Our good Peter, thank you very much. Great call Oh

1885
01:28:31,612 --> 01:28:34,652
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty. If you're a boomer, how

1886
01:28:34,692 --> 01:28:37,253
Speaker 3: do you feel about gen X saying they are leading

1887
01:28:37,333 --> 01:28:40,013
Speaker 3: the world the other quiet influencers and millennials as well,

1888
01:28:40,293 --> 01:28:42,372
Speaker 3: Come on through and defend yourself at his twenty two

1889
01:28:42,452 --> 01:28:43,133
Speaker 3: parst three The.

1890
01:28:43,173 --> 01:28:44,412
Speaker 2: Greatest Generation.

1891
01:28:48,333 --> 01:28:52,012
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty

1892
01:28:52,093 --> 01:28:54,812
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk send four past three.

1893
01:28:55,572 --> 01:28:58,333
Speaker 2: I think the things we were looking for bomby knockers.

1894
01:28:58,412 --> 01:29:01,612
Speaker 2: Someone's calling them monkey apples. But the classic gen X

1895
01:29:02,333 --> 01:29:05,812
Speaker 2: pastime as a child of getting a bit of wood,

1896
01:29:06,213 --> 01:29:09,173
Speaker 2: thin bit of woods and then nailing, putting an ail,

1897
01:29:09,213 --> 01:29:10,852
Speaker 2: then sewing the nail off, and then you stuck this

1898
01:29:10,933 --> 01:29:13,253
Speaker 2: fruit on it, and then you'd really hurt when you

1899
01:29:13,612 --> 01:29:15,772
Speaker 2: could fling it really hard at a friend. Yeah, I

1900
01:29:15,893 --> 01:29:18,772
Speaker 2: came across a couple copulating at Prospect Park once and

1901
01:29:19,133 --> 01:29:20,852
Speaker 2: have one really hard at the guy and he beat

1902
01:29:20,893 --> 01:29:22,293
Speaker 2: the living daylights out of me.

1903
01:29:22,492 --> 01:29:24,452
Speaker 3: As you were, he was having a nice time.

1904
01:29:25,412 --> 01:29:26,692
Speaker 2: I ran for it, but he caught me. I was

1905
01:29:26,692 --> 01:29:29,333
Speaker 2: about eight. Then we pelted him with these But I

1906
01:29:29,372 --> 01:29:33,213
Speaker 2: think they're called conquers. This text are saying, Ah, yes, conkers.

1907
01:29:33,412 --> 01:29:35,852
Speaker 2: I think we called them conquers and bomby knockers. Yeah yeah,

1908
01:29:35,853 --> 01:29:37,692
Speaker 2: but anyway, that was the kind of fun we had

1909
01:29:38,532 --> 01:29:39,812
Speaker 2: before the internet came along.

1910
01:29:40,173 --> 01:29:41,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, eighty.

1911
01:29:42,572 --> 01:29:45,492
Speaker 2: This is an interesting point. There are heaps of young

1912
01:29:45,572 --> 01:29:48,532
Speaker 2: guys gen X and millennials that can fix cars, deal

1913
01:29:48,572 --> 01:29:50,932
Speaker 2: with jib billed plaster, concrete, the sixt or no problem.

1914
01:29:50,933 --> 01:29:52,972
Speaker 2: It's clearly an Auckland thing. It always has been. Lol.

1915
01:29:53,452 --> 01:29:55,293
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well I'm not from Auckland and I can't do

1916
01:29:55,333 --> 01:29:56,012
Speaker 3: any of those things.

1917
01:29:56,173 --> 01:30:01,133
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I m seed the Apprentice of the

1918
01:30:01,213 --> 01:30:04,692
Speaker 2: Year awards most years. Did last year. Yeah, Am I

1919
01:30:04,732 --> 01:30:05,213
Speaker 2: doing it this year?

1920
01:30:05,293 --> 01:30:05,572
Speaker 15: Not sure?

1921
01:30:05,652 --> 01:30:08,253
Speaker 2: But anyway, there are obviously some of the most capable

1922
01:30:08,372 --> 01:30:09,852
Speaker 2: people that you've ever seen in the world that are

1923
01:30:09,853 --> 01:30:10,372
Speaker 2: walking around.

1924
01:30:10,492 --> 01:30:10,612
Speaker 20: Yea.

1925
01:30:10,732 --> 01:30:12,692
Speaker 2: These are mass generizations, aren't they.

1926
01:30:12,812 --> 01:30:16,293
Speaker 3: There's a few millennials out there that can do great things. Yeah, next,

1927
01:30:16,372 --> 01:30:17,012
Speaker 3: how are you mate?

1928
01:30:18,572 --> 01:30:22,293
Speaker 15: Oh yeah, okay, mate, I just no you fellows lots

1929
01:30:22,333 --> 01:30:30,253
Speaker 15: of plot death. All your music's there's there's pretty crap,

1930
01:30:30,333 --> 01:30:35,053
Speaker 15: right you got you go back through through the sabdays.

1931
01:30:35,133 --> 01:30:40,372
Speaker 15: You got Jimmy Jimmy Hendrix, Janis Jop and Pink Floyd Deaf,

1932
01:30:40,452 --> 01:30:44,052
Speaker 15: ho til Deep, there of iron mane, guns and Rods,

1933
01:30:44,133 --> 01:30:48,093
Speaker 15: AC DC, rolling Stones, bonds over they're just the name

1934
01:30:48,173 --> 01:30:48,532
Speaker 15: of shere.

1935
01:30:48,652 --> 01:30:51,532
Speaker 21: And then you had freaking something like Woodstock were good,

1936
01:30:52,093 --> 01:30:56,092
Speaker 21: buried of mudon and have smoke a lot of drugs

1937
01:30:56,173 --> 01:30:59,412
Speaker 21: and listen to some other good music.

1938
01:31:01,492 --> 01:31:03,652
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think that's an interesting thing because

1939
01:31:03,732 --> 01:31:07,492
Speaker 2: people don't recognize enough with the boomers that the boomers

1940
01:31:07,612 --> 01:31:11,652
Speaker 2: were the happy and the boomers were the hard rock

1941
01:31:11,933 --> 01:31:15,892
Speaker 2: and and you know, I remember Paul McCartney was saying

1942
01:31:16,053 --> 01:31:21,213
Speaker 2: that people talk about the sixties and the seventies. He said,

1943
01:31:21,213 --> 01:31:23,093
Speaker 2: you've got no idea even by the eighties. He was

1944
01:31:23,133 --> 01:31:25,652
Speaker 2: saying that the rockers were getting soft compared to the

1945
01:31:26,412 --> 01:31:27,372
Speaker 2: sixties and seventies.

1946
01:31:30,013 --> 01:31:32,532
Speaker 20: The old drugs and booze started gets up with them

1947
01:31:32,692 --> 01:31:40,333
Speaker 20: like Tennis drop them there. But yeah, but that's that's

1948
01:31:40,452 --> 01:31:44,612
Speaker 20: only one of these one aspect, I thought the other

1949
01:31:44,732 --> 01:31:47,772
Speaker 20: one when you should drive around the overpriced cool cars

1950
01:31:47,812 --> 01:31:50,692
Speaker 20: in those days, you know, like fucking Mark ones and

1951
01:31:50,812 --> 01:31:55,133
Speaker 20: Mark twos, evers and Valiants and charges like that, you're

1952
01:31:55,213 --> 01:31:56,092
Speaker 20: worth a fortune.

1953
01:31:56,452 --> 01:31:59,532
Speaker 2: Fortune, Yeah yeah, I mean, I mean cars will look

1954
01:31:59,572 --> 01:32:03,052
Speaker 2: the same now, don't they. I mean Boomer era cars

1955
01:32:03,532 --> 01:32:07,732
Speaker 2: are you know, cars look different. Every every brand of

1956
01:32:07,853 --> 01:32:10,933
Speaker 2: car was different. Now everything's just the same. I mean,

1957
01:32:11,293 --> 01:32:12,612
Speaker 2: I mean a Toyota looks like a BMW.

1958
01:32:12,772 --> 01:32:15,053
Speaker 3: Now they're all bubble cars, aren't they. But I will

1959
01:32:15,133 --> 01:32:17,013
Speaker 3: say for the boomers, as Nick was saying, you know,

1960
01:32:17,093 --> 01:32:19,532
Speaker 3: the generation before them, the silent generation. They were looking

1961
01:32:19,572 --> 01:32:22,652
Speaker 3: at Boomers at Woodstock and thinking, look at these losers,

1962
01:32:22,772 --> 01:32:27,173
Speaker 3: you know, wasting their lives away. So you know, there's

1963
01:32:27,213 --> 01:32:30,173
Speaker 3: all every generation has the generation before it that says

1964
01:32:30,572 --> 01:32:32,812
Speaker 3: you're a bunch of losers. You're letting humanity down.

1965
01:32:32,973 --> 01:32:36,652
Speaker 2: Well I'm looking at that, say gen X music, You've

1966
01:32:36,652 --> 01:32:40,852
Speaker 2: got Nirvana, Pearl Jams, Soundguard and great bands. Beastie Boys,

1967
01:32:41,492 --> 01:32:46,452
Speaker 2: come on the cure. What a great band pixis, you know?

1968
01:32:47,572 --> 01:32:48,892
Speaker 2: MJ yep.

1969
01:32:49,293 --> 01:32:52,173
Speaker 3: Okay, Welllecnology, let me throw some out for you boys.

1970
01:32:52,213 --> 01:32:57,852
Speaker 3: Slim Underworld, How about the Vinger Boys justin Timberlake, Britney

1971
01:32:57,853 --> 01:33:00,932
Speaker 3: spears you know all good stuff.

1972
01:33:01,173 --> 01:33:04,092
Speaker 2: I won't hear a bad word about the Vinger Bus.

1973
01:33:04,812 --> 01:33:07,093
Speaker 3: The best of us, all right. One hundred and eighty

1974
01:33:07,173 --> 01:33:08,933
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call. What do you

1975
01:33:09,053 --> 01:33:12,532
Speaker 3: reckon about gen X's claim that they are the greatest generation?

1976
01:33:12,732 --> 01:33:15,492
Speaker 3: Love to hear your thoughts. It is twenty nine past three.

1977
01:33:17,732 --> 01:33:20,133
Speaker 6: News talks at the headlines.

1978
01:33:20,173 --> 01:33:23,452
Speaker 11: With blue bubble taxis It's no trouble with a blue bubble.

1979
01:33:23,812 --> 01:33:27,053
Speaker 11: The government's seeking advice on whether the gang patch law

1980
01:33:27,173 --> 01:33:31,412
Speaker 11: needs to change after a second judge returned a confiscated patch.

1981
01:33:32,452 --> 01:33:36,052
Speaker 11: Plans to ban payWave surcharges has passed its first hurdle

1982
01:33:36,133 --> 01:33:39,612
Speaker 11: in Parliament. A bill prohibiting the surcharges was voted through

1983
01:33:39,772 --> 01:33:44,812
Speaker 11: its first reading by MPs. Environment Canterbury's declared and nitrate

1984
01:33:44,973 --> 01:33:48,812
Speaker 11: emergency in the region after groundwater testing results found levels

1985
01:33:48,853 --> 01:33:52,293
Speaker 11: of the chemical increasing in the majority of monitored sites.

1986
01:33:53,372 --> 01:33:56,932
Speaker 11: An Australian coal mining giant is acting around seven hundred

1987
01:33:56,933 --> 01:34:00,772
Speaker 11: and fifty jobs in Queensland. The BHB Mitsubishi Alliance is

1988
01:34:00,812 --> 01:34:03,812
Speaker 11: cutting jobs across the state and mothballing one of its

1989
01:34:03,893 --> 01:34:08,173
Speaker 11: oldest minds. The government's taking action to reduce the impact

1990
01:34:08,412 --> 01:34:11,852
Speaker 11: on bird flu on poultry if the virus arrives here.

1991
01:34:12,253 --> 01:34:16,452
Speaker 11: It's consulting on a new proposal until early November. A

1992
01:34:16,612 --> 01:34:20,253
Speaker 11: mutual Defense treaty between Papua New Guinea and Australia. The

1993
01:34:20,333 --> 01:34:24,613
Speaker 11: treaty aims to expand and modernize both countries' defense partnership,

1994
01:34:24,973 --> 01:34:29,213
Speaker 11: including plans to recruit PNG citizens into Australia's defense force

1995
01:34:30,173 --> 01:34:34,173
Speaker 11: and christ Church Heritage Developer expands north as Auckland's developments

1996
01:34:34,293 --> 01:34:37,572
Speaker 11: labeled awful. Read more at enz at Herald Premium. Now

1997
01:34:37,652 --> 01:34:40,532
Speaker 11: back to Matt Heath and Tyler. Adam, thank you very much, Adam.

1998
01:34:40,612 --> 01:34:41,772
Speaker 11: It is twenty seven to four.

1999
01:34:42,053 --> 01:34:44,933
Speaker 2: We're talking about gen X after an article in The

2000
01:34:45,013 --> 01:34:47,892
Speaker 2: Economists was saying it's the forgotten generation that probably has

2001
01:34:47,973 --> 01:34:50,212
Speaker 2: more power than you think it does well. The boomers

2002
01:34:50,253 --> 01:34:52,652
Speaker 2: and the millennials are arguing over the top. But I

2003
01:34:52,692 --> 01:34:54,372
Speaker 2: thought I've got some audio there for one of my

2004
01:34:54,412 --> 01:34:57,412
Speaker 2: favorite movies of all time, Flight Club, that I think

2005
01:34:57,692 --> 01:35:00,333
Speaker 2: just sums up gen X perfectly.

2006
01:35:00,853 --> 01:35:01,412
Speaker 14: God damn it.

2007
01:35:01,452 --> 01:35:07,012
Speaker 27: An entire generation pumping gas, wedding tabs, sledge with white

2008
01:35:07,053 --> 01:35:10,133
Speaker 27: Carlo's advertising hasit chasing cars.

2009
01:35:09,893 --> 01:35:13,253
Speaker 6: And clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit.

2010
01:35:13,412 --> 01:35:14,293
Speaker 15: We don't need.

2011
01:35:15,732 --> 01:35:18,293
Speaker 14: The middle children of history man, no.

2012
01:35:18,412 --> 01:35:23,813
Speaker 2: Purpose of place. We have, no great war, no great depression.

2013
01:35:24,333 --> 01:35:27,292
Speaker 14: Our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression.

2014
01:35:28,173 --> 01:35:28,972
Speaker 2: It's our lives.

2015
01:35:29,732 --> 01:35:31,852
Speaker 15: We've all been raised on television to believe that one

2016
01:35:31,933 --> 01:35:35,012
Speaker 15: day we'd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars.

2017
01:35:35,772 --> 01:35:36,372
Speaker 14: But we won't.

2018
01:35:37,732 --> 01:35:43,253
Speaker 2: We're slowly learning that fact. We're very, very pissed off.

2019
01:35:44,013 --> 01:35:50,732
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, sums you guys out passed off. You

2020
01:35:50,812 --> 01:35:52,093
Speaker 3: need a good war, they were still.

2021
01:35:52,213 --> 01:35:58,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a fantastic movie that is. Craig, welcome to

2022
01:35:58,093 --> 01:36:00,853
Speaker 2: the show. Your thoughts on this key topic for Kiwi's.

2023
01:36:01,732 --> 01:36:04,932
Speaker 27: What a great Just listening to that crash me out.

2024
01:36:08,333 --> 01:36:11,652
Speaker 2: I've got up to a certain degree sounds up the attitude.

2025
01:36:12,772 --> 01:36:19,333
Speaker 27: Well, shit, I was a rockstar man, rockstar generation. Yeah,

2026
01:36:19,853 --> 01:36:23,612
Speaker 27: born fifty seven and just had a rocking good time.

2027
01:36:23,732 --> 01:36:24,012
Speaker 9: Guys.

2028
01:36:24,253 --> 01:36:28,973
Speaker 27: Yeah, so I'll be sixty shortly. Obviously you had to

2029
01:36:29,013 --> 01:36:32,412
Speaker 27: fit into that genre. But I reckon we had a

2030
01:36:32,532 --> 01:36:33,333
Speaker 27: bloody good time.

2031
01:36:33,532 --> 01:36:34,173
Speaker 15: We really did.

2032
01:36:34,333 --> 01:36:38,612
Speaker 27: We were the generation that kind of didn't really look

2033
01:36:38,692 --> 01:36:42,772
Speaker 27: for approval generation that just opened our own business. I

2034
01:36:42,893 --> 01:36:46,692
Speaker 27: started my own business at twenty one, Yeah, house at

2035
01:36:46,732 --> 01:36:50,093
Speaker 27: twenty one, and yeah, there was nothing to tell us

2036
01:36:50,133 --> 01:36:50,732
Speaker 27: we couldn't do it.

2037
01:36:52,093 --> 01:36:54,293
Speaker 2: And how do you different how do you differentiate gen

2038
01:36:54,532 --> 01:36:58,532
Speaker 2: X from say, boomers and millennials, Craig, So, I've got.

2039
01:36:58,452 --> 01:37:00,772
Speaker 27: A boomer brother who's a couple of years older, So

2040
01:37:01,013 --> 01:37:04,333
Speaker 27: it's only two years difference, but there is a difference.

2041
01:37:04,973 --> 01:37:08,932
Speaker 27: So he was still like an amazing guy. Yeah, don't

2042
01:37:08,933 --> 01:37:12,572
Speaker 27: get me wrong. He's still my absolute bloody rock star

2043
01:37:12,692 --> 01:37:18,532
Speaker 27: and in my world, but a little bit more still,

2044
01:37:19,053 --> 01:37:23,612
Speaker 27: you know, got the shirt on, got the collar and tie. Yeah,

2045
01:37:25,133 --> 01:37:27,652
Speaker 27: whereas I was just a little bit luckier to be

2046
01:37:27,772 --> 01:37:29,492
Speaker 27: born a couple of years later and have a bit

2047
01:37:29,572 --> 01:37:30,092
Speaker 27: more freedom.

2048
01:37:32,053 --> 01:37:34,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, but born before the freedom.

2049
01:37:34,772 --> 01:37:39,932
Speaker 2: Yeah, but born before the you know, you've bequit us

2050
01:37:39,973 --> 01:37:44,452
Speaker 2: digital online life and social media, which I think is

2051
01:37:44,452 --> 01:37:45,092
Speaker 2: a big difference.

2052
01:37:46,093 --> 01:37:49,253
Speaker 27: Yeah, yeah, that makes a difference. But then again, he's

2053
01:37:49,293 --> 01:37:51,492
Speaker 27: actually a computer program analysts.

2054
01:37:54,532 --> 01:37:54,973
Speaker 20: If you like.

2055
01:37:56,492 --> 01:38:00,452
Speaker 27: But yeah, I honestly I do think that gen X,

2056
01:38:00,732 --> 01:38:05,052
Speaker 27: which I definitely identify with, we really.

2057
01:38:04,893 --> 01:38:05,293
Speaker 8: Did have.

2058
01:38:07,213 --> 01:38:11,293
Speaker 27: Nobody really bother about what we're up to. So at

2059
01:38:11,333 --> 01:38:13,732
Speaker 27: thirteen years older, I'd be out on the street with

2060
01:38:13,893 --> 01:38:16,293
Speaker 27: my thumb out and my surfboard and back room off

2061
01:38:16,333 --> 01:38:18,133
Speaker 27: to go for good life.

2062
01:38:18,372 --> 01:38:21,572
Speaker 2: Wait for the not nearly as much hitchhiking going on

2063
01:38:21,692 --> 01:38:24,492
Speaker 2: as there was for the Gen X heyday.

2064
01:38:25,333 --> 01:38:27,452
Speaker 27: Yeah, exactly, And I think that's kind of sad, but

2065
01:38:27,532 --> 01:38:29,692
Speaker 27: I do understand it. And I've got a son who

2066
01:38:30,013 --> 01:38:34,932
Speaker 27: is his gyms in and I wouldn't want him doing

2067
01:38:35,013 --> 01:38:36,173
Speaker 27: the things that I was doing then.

2068
01:38:37,093 --> 01:38:39,013
Speaker 3: I mean, thirteen is pretty young, Craig. And what did

2069
01:38:39,053 --> 01:38:40,692
Speaker 3: your parents say, just be back by Thursday.

2070
01:38:42,213 --> 01:38:44,852
Speaker 27: I'd say, himum on a Friday. I'll catch up with

2071
01:38:44,933 --> 01:38:45,612
Speaker 27: you Sunday night.

2072
01:38:48,053 --> 01:38:49,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, time to change now.

2073
01:38:50,452 --> 01:38:50,652
Speaker 18: Yeah.

2074
01:38:50,933 --> 01:38:52,973
Speaker 27: I had a girlfriend who was twenty one when I

2075
01:38:53,053 --> 01:38:54,012
Speaker 27: was fifteen years old.

2076
01:38:56,013 --> 01:38:56,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, well done.

2077
01:38:57,612 --> 01:39:00,532
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I got to say that was cool. Cool.

2078
01:39:02,173 --> 01:39:06,293
Speaker 27: Well I was cool for that generation. But I do

2079
01:39:06,532 --> 01:39:08,692
Speaker 27: kind of think that we did have a lot of

2080
01:39:09,652 --> 01:39:11,892
Speaker 27: just freedom. Really good on.

2081
01:39:11,933 --> 01:39:13,892
Speaker 2: You, Craig, thank you for your call.

2082
01:39:14,173 --> 01:39:14,372
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2083
01:39:15,293 --> 01:39:18,253
Speaker 2: So the baby Boomer dates are nineteen forty six to

2084
01:39:18,572 --> 01:39:24,532
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five, obviously because that's the boom after the war.

2085
01:39:25,452 --> 01:39:29,892
Speaker 2: Then Gen X is after sixty five to nineteen eighty yep,

2086
01:39:30,053 --> 01:39:33,532
Speaker 2: and then then millennials in nineteen eighty one to nineteen

2087
01:39:33,572 --> 01:39:34,253
Speaker 2: ninety six born.

2088
01:39:34,412 --> 01:39:37,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, so you're you're pretty much bang in

2089
01:39:37,013 --> 01:39:37,852
Speaker 3: the middle with gen X.

2090
01:39:37,853 --> 01:39:41,652
Speaker 2: You're I'm a big hard gen xer and you're you're

2091
01:39:41,732 --> 01:39:45,053
Speaker 2: sort of an elder millennial, aren't you.

2092
01:39:45,173 --> 01:39:48,612
Speaker 3: Eighty five? Yeah, I know you're right, and you're right

2093
01:39:48,732 --> 01:39:50,612
Speaker 3: and right and run in the mix there. Yeah, pretty

2094
01:39:50,652 --> 01:39:52,492
Speaker 3: close to the middle. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

2095
01:39:52,532 --> 01:39:53,812
Speaker 3: eighty inst the numbered call.

2096
01:39:55,492 --> 01:39:55,612
Speaker 19: Matt.

2097
01:39:55,732 --> 01:39:57,732
Speaker 2: I know you guys are told to push Hollywood, but

2098
01:39:57,772 --> 01:40:00,572
Speaker 2: I can't stand at BEF movies. We're not Hollywood, such

2099
01:40:00,612 --> 01:40:03,372
Speaker 2: as Lockstock. We're not We're told to take What kind

2100
01:40:03,372 --> 01:40:06,013
Speaker 2: of conspiracy theory is that? I know you guys, do

2101
01:40:06,133 --> 01:40:06,492
Speaker 2: you know that?

2102
01:40:06,933 --> 01:40:07,053
Speaker 20: Oh?

2103
01:40:07,133 --> 01:40:09,012
Speaker 2: You know that we're told to put Hollywood.

2104
01:40:09,053 --> 01:40:11,293
Speaker 3: We are messer from the pocket of back Hollywood.

2105
01:40:11,452 --> 01:40:13,253
Speaker 2: I can tell you, I hope never been told to

2106
01:40:13,293 --> 01:40:15,692
Speaker 2: push Elliwood in my life. I mean maybe maybe maybe

2107
01:40:15,772 --> 01:40:18,173
Speaker 2: when there's a particular movie that that we're being paid

2108
01:40:18,213 --> 01:40:19,933
Speaker 2: to sponsor, but yeah, not so much on this.

2109
01:40:21,692 --> 01:40:21,852
Speaker 6: Right.

2110
01:40:21,933 --> 01:40:23,932
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety two is the text number.

2111
01:40:24,093 --> 01:40:26,012
Speaker 2: In the seventies, my dad used to change his tires

2112
01:40:26,053 --> 01:40:28,333
Speaker 2: from room to room with the sledge hammer. Then he'd

2113
01:40:28,372 --> 01:40:30,572
Speaker 2: burned the old ones in the backyard on your dead

2114
01:40:30,692 --> 01:40:31,532
Speaker 2: it's boomer life.

2115
01:40:31,572 --> 01:40:32,532
Speaker 3: That some good stuff.

2116
01:40:32,732 --> 01:40:32,892
Speaker 7: Right.

2117
01:40:33,173 --> 01:40:35,293
Speaker 3: We're going to take a break, but when we come back,

2118
01:40:35,333 --> 01:40:37,692
Speaker 3: we've got full boards. If you can't get through, keep trying.

2119
01:40:37,732 --> 01:40:38,892
Speaker 3: It is twenty one to four.

2120
01:40:39,692 --> 01:40:43,093
Speaker 5: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2121
01:40:43,412 --> 01:40:44,372
Speaker 5: everything in between.

2122
01:40:44,612 --> 01:40:47,532
Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

2123
01:40:47,572 --> 01:40:49,892
Speaker 3: It'd be nineteen to four. We're talking about an article

2124
01:40:49,933 --> 01:40:54,172
Speaker 3: in the Economists that says Gen X is the forgotten generation.

2125
01:40:54,333 --> 01:40:56,053
Speaker 3: But they are the ones who stay quiet and just

2126
01:40:56,133 --> 01:40:58,812
Speaker 3: get stuff done while millennials and boomers scrap it out.

2127
01:40:59,173 --> 01:41:02,213
Speaker 2: This text is fantastic. The eighties, many memories, no evidence.

2128
01:41:03,492 --> 01:41:05,932
Speaker 2: You can say about the nineties as well. Lads back

2129
01:41:06,013 --> 01:41:08,652
Speaker 2: in my day Mike Carmanuel gave instructions to test the

2130
01:41:08,692 --> 01:41:12,852
Speaker 2: timing and adjust the tippets. New cars provide a warning

2131
01:41:12,933 --> 01:41:15,372
Speaker 2: not to drink the liquid and the bettery. May I

2132
01:41:15,452 --> 01:41:16,532
Speaker 2: rest my case? That's from that?

2133
01:41:17,013 --> 01:41:19,732
Speaker 3: That is pretty good. Yeah, well done, Philip, How are

2134
01:41:19,732 --> 01:41:20,093
Speaker 3: you mate?

2135
01:41:20,973 --> 01:41:21,133
Speaker 25: Yeah?

2136
01:41:21,213 --> 01:41:22,412
Speaker 21: Good to get now on.

2137
01:41:23,173 --> 01:41:26,772
Speaker 18: Jen X brought up sixty nine. I was born and

2138
01:41:26,933 --> 01:41:28,732
Speaker 18: we were probably brought up to be a bit looked

2139
01:41:28,772 --> 01:41:32,412
Speaker 18: more practical, like because their parents were boomers. So yeah,

2140
01:41:32,532 --> 01:41:35,093
Speaker 18: you had to do things like, you know, like my

2141
01:41:35,173 --> 01:41:37,452
Speaker 18: sister and I would come home from school day nineteen

2142
01:41:37,572 --> 01:41:40,532
Speaker 18: seventy six, I'd have to light the virus and get

2143
01:41:40,572 --> 01:41:44,053
Speaker 18: them gown and she get digges gown. Today, the new

2144
01:41:44,213 --> 01:41:46,732
Speaker 18: generations they would be like jold abuse if you're ap

2145
01:41:46,893 --> 01:41:51,333
Speaker 18: to like brush, you know, and there was no, like

2146
01:41:51,412 --> 01:41:53,772
Speaker 18: you said, no social media, so if you had it,

2147
01:41:54,692 --> 01:41:57,212
Speaker 18: you know, we go and make trolleys out of old wheels,

2148
01:41:57,253 --> 01:42:03,133
Speaker 18: off off wheelbearers and old trams and just being some

2149
01:42:03,253 --> 01:42:05,213
Speaker 18: wood together. I had pine cone fits.

2150
01:42:05,532 --> 01:42:05,732
Speaker 25: Yeah.

2151
01:42:05,772 --> 01:42:05,972
Speaker 21: Pine.

2152
01:42:08,652 --> 01:42:10,772
Speaker 18: We made a rule man and my mates that we

2153
01:42:10,893 --> 01:42:14,452
Speaker 18: weren't allowed to use green or closed point cone bad

2154
01:42:14,572 --> 01:42:16,013
Speaker 18: the open because they really hurt you.

2155
01:42:18,013 --> 01:42:19,253
Speaker 2: Role part of the Geneva convention.

2156
01:42:21,053 --> 01:42:24,772
Speaker 18: But even like what the things are the way they

2157
01:42:24,812 --> 01:42:27,492
Speaker 18: are today, often think I'm glad I was brought up

2158
01:42:27,532 --> 01:42:31,412
Speaker 18: in that generation to be a bit more resilient because

2159
01:42:31,652 --> 01:42:35,133
Speaker 18: the headlines, you know, these new generations just cry about

2160
01:42:35,173 --> 01:42:38,133
Speaker 18: too much stuff. We've just got to be practical and get.

2161
01:42:38,053 --> 01:42:38,372
Speaker 4: On with what.

2162
01:42:38,853 --> 01:42:41,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, Philip, this narrower day that goes by without Tyler

2163
01:42:41,853 --> 01:42:43,692
Speaker 2: crying about something in the studio as a millennial.

2164
01:42:44,093 --> 01:42:46,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's would it hurts you to bring

2165
01:42:46,732 --> 01:42:48,452
Speaker 3: some more tissues and mate, you know I need those.

2166
01:42:48,893 --> 01:42:51,213
Speaker 2: This Texas says, I think the younger generations are prudes

2167
01:42:51,253 --> 01:42:53,732
Speaker 2: compared to boomers. As a boomer, I was topless at

2168
01:42:53,732 --> 01:42:55,692
Speaker 2: the beach and brallus the rest of the time. But

2169
01:42:55,812 --> 01:42:58,853
Speaker 2: my granddaughter tries that now and is criticized.

2170
01:42:58,973 --> 01:43:00,412
Speaker 3: Good point, very good point.

2171
01:43:01,612 --> 01:43:04,812
Speaker 2: Boomer is more topless at the beach than current days.

2172
01:43:04,853 --> 01:43:07,053
Speaker 3: Well, nobody should be criticized by doing that these days.

2173
01:43:08,053 --> 01:43:10,253
Speaker 2: I I'm a boomer and just wrote an article on

2174
01:43:10,372 --> 01:43:13,372
Speaker 2: gen Z how they're least prepared for the AI revolution.

2175
01:43:13,532 --> 01:43:16,692
Speaker 2: They lack the emotional intelligence, are fragile, and won't even

2176
01:43:16,772 --> 01:43:18,492
Speaker 2: pick up the phone. Cheers Peter. I mean I was

2177
01:43:18,492 --> 01:43:20,892
Speaker 2: reading the Central interesting article. You know, we heard about

2178
01:43:20,933 --> 01:43:22,772
Speaker 2: the knowledge economy for the longest time. We say, oh,

2179
01:43:22,812 --> 01:43:25,532
Speaker 2: we don't need engineering and manufacturing and all that hard

2180
01:43:25,612 --> 01:43:28,372
Speaker 2: stuff and that practical stuff. Let's become a knowledge economy.

2181
01:43:28,412 --> 01:43:29,852
Speaker 2: And a lot of Western countries did that, and then

2182
01:43:29,853 --> 01:43:32,333
Speaker 2: what does AI replace the knowledge economy?

2183
01:43:32,492 --> 01:43:33,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true.

2184
01:43:33,612 --> 01:43:36,813
Speaker 2: So the generations that weren't taught how to do practical

2185
01:43:36,933 --> 01:43:39,213
Speaker 2: things the practical things and now the things that need

2186
01:43:39,293 --> 01:43:41,732
Speaker 2: to be done, and that's where the economy has to go,

2187
01:43:41,933 --> 01:43:44,893
Speaker 2: because yeah, AI can do the knowledge economy, Tyler.

2188
01:43:44,772 --> 01:43:48,692
Speaker 3: Exactly replicating our brains. Get a mic. How are you

2189
01:43:49,173 --> 01:43:54,453
Speaker 3: very good? You're a seventies kid, yeah, man, And I pretty.

2190
01:43:54,253 --> 01:43:58,293
Speaker 28: Much agree with everything from the previous people that have

2191
01:43:58,612 --> 01:44:02,692
Speaker 28: heard so far about you know, we're just we're up

2192
01:44:02,732 --> 01:44:05,972
Speaker 28: to the gate people. I remember back there, man, parents.

2193
01:44:06,053 --> 01:44:07,892
Speaker 28: These days we get locked up for shit that our

2194
01:44:07,933 --> 01:44:12,053
Speaker 28: parents dust did. Yep, you know, like there was a

2195
01:44:12,093 --> 01:44:14,572
Speaker 28: guy there to go go there for a few days. Well,

2196
01:44:14,933 --> 01:44:16,973
Speaker 28: I had a boat when I was twelve, when I

2197
01:44:17,053 --> 01:44:20,052
Speaker 28: was thirteen, and we come home school holidays and things,

2198
01:44:20,492 --> 01:44:23,572
Speaker 28: and with another friend. His dad had a house boat

2199
01:44:23,772 --> 01:44:26,492
Speaker 28: and we were allowed to use that and we'd tow

2200
01:44:26,532 --> 01:44:28,013
Speaker 28: it out to an island up in the day of

2201
01:44:28,093 --> 01:44:31,492
Speaker 28: violence and stay out there for our whole school holidays

2202
01:44:31,652 --> 01:44:34,572
Speaker 28: and learn how to drink, roll cigarettes, roll dope.

2203
01:44:36,452 --> 01:44:36,612
Speaker 18: You know.

2204
01:44:36,853 --> 01:44:39,852
Speaker 28: We just we learned a lot, a lot of life skills.

2205
01:44:40,452 --> 01:44:42,692
Speaker 28: But the thing was, our parents always knew where we

2206
01:44:42,772 --> 01:44:49,293
Speaker 28: were because everyone up there, virtually everyone up there, the

2207
01:44:49,412 --> 01:44:51,213
Speaker 28: parents had a boat and someone was out there, they

2208
01:44:51,253 --> 01:44:55,013
Speaker 28: knew where we were, we were located, so you know,

2209
01:44:55,652 --> 01:44:59,572
Speaker 28: it's just so much life lessons that we learned us

2210
01:44:59,893 --> 01:45:00,452
Speaker 28: in that era.

2211
01:45:01,053 --> 01:45:02,452
Speaker 2: You say, well, and did you was one of the

2212
01:45:02,532 --> 01:45:04,173
Speaker 2: things you said that you learned out there when knew

2213
01:45:04,213 --> 01:45:05,372
Speaker 2: how old was rolling dope?

2214
01:45:06,812 --> 01:45:08,293
Speaker 19: Yeah, it was everywhere.

2215
01:45:08,652 --> 01:45:09,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, rolling to jay.

2216
01:45:09,732 --> 01:45:11,173
Speaker 3: If you don't know how to do that, mate, you

2217
01:45:11,253 --> 01:45:12,173
Speaker 3: know you you know.

2218
01:45:15,133 --> 01:45:17,013
Speaker 2: You're rolling a big cabbage bomber out there or what.

2219
01:45:18,173 --> 01:45:22,893
Speaker 3: Pretty much good life skills, good life skills cut on

2220
01:45:22,973 --> 01:45:26,213
Speaker 3: your mic. Yeah, you loved a good childhood, mate. There's

2221
01:45:26,253 --> 01:45:29,053
Speaker 3: so many ticks that have come through on this. That's

2222
01:45:29,093 --> 01:45:29,452
Speaker 3: a good one.

2223
01:45:29,692 --> 01:45:32,652
Speaker 2: Gen X here social media was my mum. Shou'd always say,

2224
01:45:32,732 --> 01:45:36,093
Speaker 2: remember wherever you are, there's always someone there who knows you,

2225
01:45:36,612 --> 01:45:40,372
Speaker 2: who knows me, And she was right, Yeah, I mean

2226
01:45:40,612 --> 01:45:42,133
Speaker 2: I didn't know anyone that had a key to their

2227
01:45:42,173 --> 01:45:45,652
Speaker 2: house when when for gen X. So when we got home,

2228
01:45:45,732 --> 01:45:48,333
Speaker 2: we just sort of had to climb up up this

2229
01:45:48,572 --> 01:45:50,173
Speaker 2: kind of part of it onto this deck over the

2230
01:45:50,253 --> 01:45:51,652
Speaker 2: roof to get in through the window that was always

2231
01:45:51,692 --> 01:45:52,692
Speaker 2: laid open, and there was never.

2232
01:45:53,053 --> 01:45:55,372
Speaker 3: Anyone home, yeah, but never any issues.

2233
01:45:55,452 --> 01:45:58,132
Speaker 2: But yeah, but now it's because I think it's absolutely

2234
01:45:58,213 --> 01:46:00,093
Speaker 2: insane people that say that you can't leave a home

2235
01:46:00,213 --> 01:46:02,492
Speaker 2: a kid at home until they're fourteen. I mean kids

2236
01:46:02,492 --> 01:46:03,893
Speaker 2: should be allowed to be should be able to be

2237
01:46:03,933 --> 01:46:04,892
Speaker 2: at home from when there's six.

2238
01:46:05,093 --> 01:46:07,532
Speaker 3: It was resilience and as a previous caller Seedge, you know,

2239
01:46:07,572 --> 01:46:10,252
Speaker 3: when you get home the fire, get the veggies on before.

2240
01:46:10,973 --> 01:46:15,292
Speaker 2: Well, Jonathan Hype keeps talking about that that unsupervised childhood

2241
01:46:15,372 --> 01:46:17,093
Speaker 2: is the most about the most important thing you can

2242
01:46:17,213 --> 01:46:20,293
Speaker 2: get for resilience and ingenuity and all those those kind

2243
01:46:20,333 --> 01:46:22,692
Speaker 2: of things. So as a parent now, I mean, you know,

2244
01:46:22,732 --> 01:46:24,772
Speaker 2: people complain about the next generation, but as a lot

2245
01:46:24,812 --> 01:46:27,452
Speaker 2: of people are texting through, previous generations are responsible for

2246
01:46:27,532 --> 01:46:31,213
Speaker 2: the state of the current generations, you know, because they've

2247
01:46:31,253 --> 01:46:33,293
Speaker 2: set that, They've set the table for them exactly.

2248
01:46:33,372 --> 01:46:38,012
Speaker 3: It's a snowball effect. Paul, how are you mate?

2249
01:46:38,692 --> 01:46:40,932
Speaker 14: Well, yeah, listen, I'm a boomer and I don't think

2250
01:46:40,973 --> 01:46:42,612
Speaker 14: they're leading, but they're doing a hell of a good

2251
01:46:42,692 --> 01:46:44,892
Speaker 14: job keeping up. And I say that in the fact

2252
01:46:44,933 --> 01:46:47,812
Speaker 14: that when I was a kid, I learned to dan

2253
01:46:47,973 --> 01:46:50,213
Speaker 14: socks and jackets and jerseys. They're still doing it now.

2254
01:46:50,293 --> 01:46:53,532
Speaker 14: My daughter brings her stuff to me to do. We've

2255
01:46:53,612 --> 01:46:56,213
Speaker 14: learned to this and everything. And as for the fire

2256
01:46:56,213 --> 01:46:58,013
Speaker 14: as well, that was a standard. We used to walk

2257
01:46:58,053 --> 01:47:00,892
Speaker 14: with our trolley nearly six kilometers into Henderson to get

2258
01:47:00,893 --> 01:47:03,532
Speaker 14: wood on those horrible weekends we used to have back

2259
01:47:03,572 --> 01:47:05,492
Speaker 14: in the day and there was nothing. It was more

2260
01:47:05,532 --> 01:47:07,932
Speaker 14: of an adventure because Mom would say, how what should

2261
01:47:07,933 --> 01:47:09,932
Speaker 14: you see on to get the wood? All the stuff

2262
01:47:09,973 --> 01:47:10,972
Speaker 14: we got up to on the way home.

2263
01:47:11,173 --> 01:47:13,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, you love that. So we where were getting the

2264
01:47:13,572 --> 01:47:16,012
Speaker 3: wood front, Paul, Was there actually like a wood shop

2265
01:47:16,053 --> 01:47:16,652
Speaker 3: that you had to walk?

2266
01:47:17,053 --> 01:47:19,652
Speaker 14: No, we used to get it from Frank Rad such

2267
01:47:19,692 --> 01:47:22,132
Speaker 14: as garage back in the day. He had a garage

2268
01:47:22,173 --> 01:47:27,812
Speaker 14: in Henderson and Frank pod Yeah, there's poor Redicus, the

2269
01:47:27,933 --> 01:47:31,412
Speaker 14: motive driver comes from. It was Frank was his old man.

2270
01:47:32,013 --> 01:47:34,572
Speaker 14: So we used to get from there and has for

2271
01:47:34,853 --> 01:47:37,372
Speaker 14: trolleys and stuff. Well, if he didn't have a trolley

2272
01:47:37,452 --> 01:47:39,572
Speaker 14: race in an accident at least three times a month.

2273
01:47:39,652 --> 01:47:41,852
Speaker 14: And Henderson, you weren't doing very well for yourself, you know,

2274
01:47:41,973 --> 01:47:45,772
Speaker 14: you weren't very busy. We you know, we did a

2275
01:47:45,812 --> 01:47:47,492
Speaker 14: lot of stuff. And then as from when I grew

2276
01:47:47,532 --> 01:47:49,532
Speaker 14: up in my late teens, taking vet up the part

2277
01:47:49,612 --> 01:47:52,412
Speaker 14: and putting them back together again and mark to Zeffis

2278
01:47:52,492 --> 01:47:54,933
Speaker 14: is our other favorite hobby. You know, I had a

2279
01:47:54,973 --> 01:47:56,732
Speaker 14: lot of friends and I we did that sort of stuff.

2280
01:47:57,572 --> 01:47:59,492
Speaker 14: Can't find kids to do that nowadays. I mean, my

2281
01:47:59,612 --> 01:48:01,412
Speaker 14: daughter brings me quite a bit about stuff. You know,

2282
01:48:02,253 --> 01:48:04,053
Speaker 14: she's in Australia and call it.

2283
01:48:05,812 --> 01:48:06,412
Speaker 3: So what do you think?

2284
01:48:06,532 --> 01:48:07,053
Speaker 25: What do you think?

2285
01:48:07,412 --> 01:48:11,053
Speaker 2: Why do you think that the boomers haven't passed down

2286
01:48:11,133 --> 01:48:15,972
Speaker 2: that information and that skill to those skills to Gen

2287
01:48:16,173 --> 01:48:16,893
Speaker 2: X and millennials.

2288
01:48:18,133 --> 01:48:21,772
Speaker 14: I think, well, person, my daughter she's only twenty six,

2289
01:48:21,853 --> 01:48:24,133
Speaker 14: so she's going on twenty seven. But it's very hard

2290
01:48:24,173 --> 01:48:27,892
Speaker 14: to teach kids that age how to do anything these

2291
01:48:27,973 --> 01:48:30,772
Speaker 14: days because yeah, you know, it's where you will you not?

2292
01:48:31,293 --> 01:48:33,532
Speaker 14: You know, you try to show and something and are

2293
01:48:33,572 --> 01:48:35,492
Speaker 14: you going to wear that that sort of carry on

2294
01:48:35,893 --> 01:48:37,452
Speaker 14: where boys are a little bit different.

2295
01:48:37,853 --> 01:48:38,013
Speaker 20: You know.

2296
01:48:38,772 --> 01:48:41,492
Speaker 14: I've got a lot of an older boy and he's

2297
01:48:41,612 --> 01:48:44,013
Speaker 14: very talented with anything he builds and anything to do

2298
01:48:44,053 --> 01:48:47,133
Speaker 14: with his hands, very good, you know. I mean I

2299
01:48:47,293 --> 01:48:50,372
Speaker 14: learned computers late in the game, but that's what I

2300
01:48:50,452 --> 01:48:53,013
Speaker 14: work in now. I mean that I've got some what

2301
01:48:53,173 --> 01:48:55,812
Speaker 14: you call it gen x's that are below me and

2302
01:48:56,093 --> 01:48:58,133
Speaker 14: their age group, but shit, they're good with what they do,

2303
01:48:58,532 --> 01:49:00,333
Speaker 14: and it's really good working with him because anything I

2304
01:49:00,372 --> 01:49:04,173
Speaker 14: don't understand, they quickly bring me up to speed. And

2305
01:49:04,293 --> 01:49:07,053
Speaker 14: I've passed it on to people that don't work in tech,

2306
01:49:07,572 --> 01:49:10,692
Speaker 14: So you know, I think they're leaving, but I think

2307
01:49:10,732 --> 01:49:14,333
Speaker 14: they're keeping up really well. And go twenty years from now.

2308
01:49:14,612 --> 01:49:16,053
Speaker 14: It's a different story again, isn't it.

2309
01:49:16,372 --> 01:49:18,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean that's the kind of thing though

2310
01:49:18,492 --> 01:49:21,372
Speaker 2: about the generations though, is that you know, you go

2311
01:49:21,492 --> 01:49:24,412
Speaker 2: through stages of life, and I think we've talked about

2312
01:49:24,452 --> 01:49:27,812
Speaker 2: this show before. These Roman letters. I was reading from

2313
01:49:27,812 --> 01:49:30,852
Speaker 2: ancient Rome and it was older people just complaining about

2314
01:49:30,853 --> 01:49:34,293
Speaker 2: how slack and zoned out and no focus and weak

2315
01:49:35,253 --> 01:49:37,492
Speaker 2: the young people were in ancient Rome. So it's the

2316
01:49:37,572 --> 01:49:40,492
Speaker 2: same story. Yeah, you know, you know, you take on

2317
01:49:40,572 --> 01:49:44,012
Speaker 2: responsibilities in life and your mindset changes.

2318
01:49:44,093 --> 01:49:48,013
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely right. The text numbers nine two nine two.

2319
01:49:48,053 --> 01:49:49,412
Speaker 3: We'll get a few of those before we got to

2320
01:49:49,452 --> 01:49:53,133
Speaker 3: play some messages. This one being outside makes me think

2321
01:49:53,253 --> 01:49:56,412
Speaker 3: how it was nothing to just disappear ride bikes around

2322
01:49:56,452 --> 01:49:59,133
Speaker 3: the street in town with your mates. If that happened today,

2323
01:49:59,253 --> 01:50:01,492
Speaker 3: there would be a panic and a search party. Phil

2324
01:50:01,612 --> 01:50:03,612
Speaker 3: gen X born nineteen sixty eight.

2325
01:50:03,732 --> 01:50:06,812
Speaker 2: Eminem just this is Texter. Yeah, I mean eminem is

2326
01:50:07,173 --> 01:50:13,612
Speaker 2: one of the great Genix inventions. Yeah, Deja video. A

2327
01:50:13,652 --> 01:50:15,092
Speaker 2: lot of people texting. Yeah, that's great genius.

2328
01:50:15,133 --> 01:50:17,852
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, that's pretty good, pretty good in this one here,

2329
01:50:17,853 --> 01:50:20,772
Speaker 3: your current caller might remember the Dalwood of trolley racers

2330
01:50:20,812 --> 01:50:23,812
Speaker 3: and Henderson. Apparently trolley racing very big in Henderson for

2331
01:50:23,853 --> 01:50:24,372
Speaker 3: the boomers.

2332
01:50:24,652 --> 01:50:27,772
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, trolley racing. Yeah, I mean we did a

2333
01:50:27,853 --> 01:50:29,532
Speaker 2: bit of that. The gen X was doing a bit

2334
01:50:29,532 --> 01:50:30,733
Speaker 2: of trolley racing absolutely.

2335
01:50:30,893 --> 01:50:35,213
Speaker 3: Yeah. Right. We'll get to maybe a few more messages

2336
01:50:35,412 --> 01:50:37,412
Speaker 3: in a few moments, but we're going to play some

2337
01:50:37,452 --> 01:50:40,852
Speaker 3: messages now. It is nine minutes to foullback very soon.

2338
01:50:41,812 --> 01:50:45,173
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

2339
01:50:45,532 --> 01:50:49,532
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk,

2340
01:50:49,612 --> 01:50:49,933
Speaker 1: zi'd be.

2341
01:50:51,532 --> 01:50:54,772
Speaker 3: Six to four. So many techs have come through. A

2342
01:50:54,933 --> 01:50:56,652
Speaker 3: few more here, get a lads. I think you've been

2343
01:50:56,692 --> 01:50:58,932
Speaker 3: a bit tough on some of us millennials. On a millennial,

2344
01:50:59,053 --> 01:51:02,092
Speaker 3: especially US eighties born ones, we grew up without social

2345
01:51:02,133 --> 01:51:04,053
Speaker 3: media and phones, and we still managed to experience what

2346
01:51:04,133 --> 01:51:06,412
Speaker 3: it was like to play outside until the street lights

2347
01:51:06,452 --> 01:51:06,732
Speaker 3: came on.

2348
01:51:06,973 --> 01:51:09,652
Speaker 2: Someone's saying a lot of the reason I Gen X

2349
01:51:09,772 --> 01:51:13,333
Speaker 2: and millennials aren't quite as good at some stuff as

2350
01:51:13,933 --> 01:51:17,293
Speaker 2: birth control coming and so they're more focused on other stuff.

2351
01:51:17,612 --> 01:51:19,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very true. I mean there's a lot of

2352
01:51:19,572 --> 01:51:19,973
Speaker 3: truth to that.

2353
01:51:20,173 --> 01:51:23,892
Speaker 2: Well, I mean the boomers exist because you know, those

2354
01:51:23,973 --> 01:51:26,732
Speaker 2: coming back from the war, we're very focused on stuff

2355
01:51:27,253 --> 01:51:31,333
Speaker 2: without birth control. Wuldn't they hints that that massive boom?

2356
01:51:31,572 --> 01:51:33,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, hence the name. Yeah, right, very good.

2357
01:51:34,812 --> 01:51:36,492
Speaker 2: So this is a text that's been sent through about

2358
01:51:36,492 --> 01:51:39,213
Speaker 2: ten times. Hard times make strong men. Strong men make

2359
01:51:39,293 --> 01:51:41,892
Speaker 2: good times, good times make weak men, and weak men

2360
01:51:42,013 --> 01:51:44,612
Speaker 2: make hard times. What where are we in there? Are

2361
01:51:44,652 --> 01:51:47,132
Speaker 2: we in the weak men making hard times for the gens?

2362
01:51:47,772 --> 01:51:52,572
Speaker 2: Well no, so hard times make strong men? So would

2363
01:51:52,612 --> 01:51:55,572
Speaker 2: that be the generation before boomers? Strong men make good times,

2364
01:51:55,612 --> 01:51:58,053
Speaker 2: good times make weak men, and weak men make hard times.

2365
01:51:58,053 --> 01:51:59,732
Speaker 2: So are we in the weak men making hard times?

2366
01:51:59,853 --> 01:52:00,333
Speaker 2: Face here?

2367
01:52:00,492 --> 01:52:04,772
Speaker 3: It feels like that, yeah generations? Yeah, yeah, very good.

2368
01:52:05,093 --> 01:52:07,572
Speaker 2: All right, thank you so much for listening to the

2369
01:52:07,812 --> 01:52:11,772
Speaker 2: show today. We have had a fantastic time. I hope

2370
01:52:11,772 --> 01:52:14,612
Speaker 2: you've enjoyed it. Thank you so much for all your

2371
01:52:14,772 --> 01:52:19,173
Speaker 2: fantastic calls. The Matt and Tyler full show podcast will

2372
01:52:19,293 --> 01:52:24,572
Speaker 2: be out very soon. The very powerful Heatherdoper c Ellen

2373
01:52:24,732 --> 01:52:28,253
Speaker 2: is up next. But Tyler, right now, Why am I

2374
01:52:28,412 --> 01:52:32,092
Speaker 2: playing this particular song by bj Thomas?

2375
01:52:32,213 --> 01:52:34,012
Speaker 3: Beautiful song, but obviously you got no idea?

2376
01:52:34,412 --> 01:52:38,932
Speaker 2: Well, because Robert Redford passed away and the song famously

2377
01:52:39,013 --> 01:52:41,572
Speaker 2: composed for Butcher Cassidy and the Sundance.

2378
01:52:42,173 --> 01:52:44,572
Speaker 3: Great choice, beautiful song, great man.

2379
01:52:44,612 --> 01:52:47,732
Speaker 2: Real counter to the movie. You know, a lot of

2380
01:52:47,772 --> 01:52:49,412
Speaker 2: people thought it wasn't quite right for sort of a

2381
01:52:49,492 --> 01:52:50,532
Speaker 2: hard nosed Western.

2382
01:52:50,732 --> 01:52:51,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

2383
01:52:53,293 --> 01:52:56,652
Speaker 2: Iconic song. Alright, wherever you are, what have you're doing?

2384
01:52:57,173 --> 01:52:58,093
Speaker 2: Give him a taste of key.

2385
01:52:58,173 --> 01:52:58,532
Speaker 15: We love you.

2386
01:52:59,412 --> 01:53:01,812
Speaker 2: See you tomorrow afternoon for another edition of Matt and

2387
01:53:01,933 --> 01:53:09,932
Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoons. Rip will be so much Charrisna Yeah, good

2388
01:53:09,973 --> 01:53:13,372
Speaker 2: luck a man still making great films in twenty eighteen,

2389
01:53:13,652 --> 01:53:15,333
Speaker 2: legend such as All Is Lost.

2390
01:53:16,732 --> 01:53:19,293
Speaker 1: For more from News Talk st B, listen live on

2391
01:53:19,452 --> 01:53:22,372
Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever

2392
01:53:22,452 --> 01:53:25,013
Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio