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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalks. EDB.

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Speaker 2: Porsche Parade has rolled through Napier this weekend, led by

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Speaker 2: X Formula one Star and Motor Racing Royalty Australian Mark Webber.

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Speaker 3: And now it's gonna be victory. So Mark Webber his

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Speaker 3: first in Formula one. Yeah, yeah, Mark Webber is a

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Speaker 3: wader at last in Formula one one dessert.

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Speaker 1: So they're popular. Victory of that, there is no doubt.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what it means to win a Formula one race.

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Speaker 2: Mark Webber did it offen The Porsche Club of New

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Speaker 2: Zealand holding its fiftieth anniversary celebration in Napier over four

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Speaker 2: days ending this weekend. Mark Webber led the procession and

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Speaker 2: a rare Porsche carreerra GT. They're valued at around about

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Speaker 2: two million dollars. Just quietly Marks with us. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining us on Weekend Sport. Mark. You're a brand ambassador

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Speaker 2: for Porsche. So how much do you enjoy taking part

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Speaker 2: in events like this one?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's been a beautiful morning here mate, the

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Speaker 4: coffee is flowing. We've got families all milling around the cars.

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Speaker 4: You can hardly see the cars actually, and there's there's

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Speaker 4: an absolutely I don't know how many cars are it

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Speaker 4: must be it's definitely over probably two ndred cars and stunning,

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Speaker 4: stunning morning. And yeah, like I've done lots of Porsche

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Speaker 4: clubs around the world as an ambassador for the brand,

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Speaker 4: but I'm so happy to come to New Zealand and

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Speaker 4: see all the passion and enthusiasm for the brand down here.

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Speaker 4: It's certainly very, very genuine.

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Speaker 2: I guess most people would be a bit nervous driving

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Speaker 2: a car worth two million dollars, but that's probably no.

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Speaker 2: We're near the most valuable car you've been in, is it.

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Speaker 4: Hah, No, I'm still always nervous, mate. You know, it

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Speaker 4: doesn't matter that the value, of course, might increase the

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Speaker 4: nerves a little bit. But of course, you know, the

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Speaker 4: owners of the car, you know, they put a lot

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Speaker 4: of mechanical sympathy with the car, which I of course

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Speaker 4: And yeah, so I have driven some they've been lucky

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Speaker 4: enough to die some beautiful Porsches from the museum as

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Speaker 4: well from you know, some of the factory cars and

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Speaker 4: so and you know some of these owners, I mean,

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Speaker 4: they're not custodians for these cars, of course, they want

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Speaker 4: them to be in tremendous condition for an extended period

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Speaker 4: of time. And while they have them, they really are

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Speaker 4: which is which is really nice.

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Speaker 2: You've got a deep relationship of course with Porsche on

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Speaker 2: the World and Durance Championship twenty fifteen alongside our ken

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Speaker 4: Oh, you know, that wasn't worked for me, mate. I

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Speaker 4: think that, you know, working for such a tremendous brand

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Speaker 4: that period there. It's the most winning brand at Lamon,

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Speaker 4: you know. And that's the ultimate test for any any

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Speaker 4: able to share the car with Brandon, you know for

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Speaker 2: Move from Formula One into the Endurance Championship. Can you

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that you know, my time in F

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Speaker 4: Of course, I had a long career there, which you know,

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Speaker 4: I think there's not a driver in the world that

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Speaker 4: re entering that championship, of course we're very different.

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Speaker 4: It's you know, sharing the car with teammates in endurance racing,

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Speaker 4: much work for me. It was. It was certainly a

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Speaker 2: You've alluded to it there in terms of your career

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Speaker 2: and if one, it took you three years to get

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Speaker 2: So is there a demonstration marker of just how important experiences?

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Speaker 4: Yes, it was, I think I mean, I think I

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Speaker 4: for me to it's just sliding doors. Mate. Maybe I

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that is the main part of it,

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Speaker 4: think that's where Liam, you know, he knows, is that

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Speaker 4: Of course, you know, there's only twenty of them on

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Speaker 2: I know, you want to get back or there'll be

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Speaker 2: Know Yeah, wouldn't that be great? It's been such an

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Speaker 2: education talking to you. Mark. Thanks for taking the time

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Speaker 2: and know the Porsche Club of New Zealand delighted to

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Speaker 4: Have a good day, Cheers.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, you have a good day too, Mark. Thanks. Indeed,

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