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Speaker 1: Now, the new curriculum for years ten to zero to

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Speaker 1: ten rather has just been released and it includes sex said,

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Speaker 1: and that includes consent being taught to kids as young

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Speaker 1: as five. Joe Robertson is a sex and relationship therapist and.

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Speaker 2: Is with us. Now.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Joe, Hi, Now look, I've had a look at

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Speaker 1: this and it seems to me like a pretty smart

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Speaker 1: way of starting the kids to you know, learning about

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Speaker 1: this year one, two, three, It teaches them about keeping

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Speaker 1: themselves save four five sex, It teaches them about keeping

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Speaker 1: other people save. Is that about the way you should

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Speaker 1: be doing it?

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Speaker 2: Ah? I think, to be honest, I'm attached disappointed. You know,

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Speaker 2: they don't use the word consent until year three. They

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Speaker 2: don't use the word bodies till year four, and they

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Speaker 2: don't use the word genetal or till year eight. So

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Speaker 2: I'm concerned that they're using really vague terminology. They're giving

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Speaker 2: really vague guidelines, but not where it's actually going to

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Speaker 2: make a difference, which is then what we need kids

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Speaker 2: to know that if somebody touches their body that that

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Speaker 2: sexual harm and it's not okay. So for me, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't quite meet the mark.

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Speaker 1: When do you think you start teaching kids like no

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Speaker 1: one should touch your privates.

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Speaker 2: Ah, from when they can speak. You know, most of

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Speaker 2: our two year olds are three year olds. They're asking

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Speaker 2: about bodies, they're touching their siblings' bodies, they're touching your body,

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Speaker 2: you know. And so that's the beginning of consent education.

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Speaker 2: So to not use the word consent until year three

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Speaker 2: is which is my son's in year three, he's eight.

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Speaker 2: That feels really late to me. Yeah, okay, what about

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Speaker 2: the digital stuff, you know, teaching the kids about sending

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Speaker 2: each other nudies and stuff like that, When does that happen? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So they've put it at year eight, so they've said

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Speaker 2: this is the time to talk about porn. They've talked

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Speaker 2: about sharing nude images and what is and is it okay?

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Speaker 2: And I'm glad about that. I think the piece that's

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Speaker 2: worrying for me again is that the average age that

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Speaker 2: a child in New Zealand sees porn will be twelve,

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Speaker 2: So you've got about fifty percent of them prior to

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Speaker 2: year eight. Seeing that, you don't have to use the

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Speaker 2: word porn to talk about sexual content online, so you

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Speaker 2: can talk about it younger than that. You can say

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Speaker 2: things like if you see videos or photos of people

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Speaker 2: one without their clothes on.

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Speaker 1: So there were ways that they could do.

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Speaker 2: That without being explicit, but they've chosen not to.

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Speaker 1: All right, Joe listen, Thanks very much. I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: your take on there. That's Joe robertson sex and relationship therapist.

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