1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk, said B. 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:18,773 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:20,533 --> 00:00:24,453 Speaker 2: Take another pat Now it's a trick. It is out. 4 00:00:24,773 --> 00:00:25,573 Speaker 2: The test is over. 5 00:00:27,813 --> 00:00:28,533 Speaker 3: Couldn't a smoke? 6 00:00:28,613 --> 00:00:30,053 Speaker 2: Oh wow, one of us a beauty. 7 00:00:30,093 --> 00:00:31,853 Speaker 3: It is out and hearing. 8 00:00:31,893 --> 00:00:33,893 Speaker 4: Guys, this delivery has in the US. 9 00:00:33,933 --> 00:00:34,773 Speaker 2: It be Gold. 10 00:00:36,933 --> 00:00:40,293 Speaker 1: On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney 11 00:00:40,613 --> 00:00:44,533 Speaker 1: powered by News Talk, said B at iHeart Radio. 12 00:00:46,293 --> 00:00:50,253 Speaker 2: Hello, we're on the front foot again. Sadly, the Black 13 00:00:50,293 --> 00:00:53,493 Speaker 2: Taps fighting qualities not enough to save the first Test 14 00:00:53,573 --> 00:00:54,053 Speaker 2: in goal. 15 00:00:54,613 --> 00:00:55,693 Speaker 4: Oh we've got. 16 00:00:55,573 --> 00:00:59,253 Speaker 2: Another one there, will I Rawk makes an emphatic statement 17 00:00:59,293 --> 00:01:04,293 Speaker 2: on a spinner's pitch. If Lord's produced a pitch like Gore, 18 00:01:04,373 --> 00:01:07,333 Speaker 2: would the cricket world be up in arms about it? 19 00:01:07,453 --> 00:01:10,693 Speaker 2: Black Taps are hurt via lack of prep time and 20 00:01:10,813 --> 00:01:16,053 Speaker 2: a ninth straight loss for our whitebirds. Goodness, these rain 21 00:01:16,093 --> 00:01:20,173 Speaker 2: delays and cricket test matches are interesting. Peter Holland is 22 00:01:20,173 --> 00:01:23,533 Speaker 2: here with us once more, joining you and I Jeremy Coney, 23 00:01:24,293 --> 00:01:27,413 Speaker 2: and it was interesting to see Jeremy Coney batting again 24 00:01:28,013 --> 00:01:32,813 Speaker 2: in one of those Beige Brigade outfits. He was run 25 00:01:32,853 --> 00:01:38,213 Speaker 2: out by writing what we couldn't see? 26 00:01:39,013 --> 00:01:41,893 Speaker 3: Yeah, I need to need some more speed, don't I really. 27 00:01:43,293 --> 00:01:43,453 Speaker 2: Right? 28 00:01:43,613 --> 00:01:45,013 Speaker 3: I'm sure right. He didn't call. 29 00:01:47,373 --> 00:01:49,493 Speaker 2: He just ran to it, just ran. 30 00:01:49,973 --> 00:01:50,213 Speaker 4: I got. 31 00:01:50,213 --> 00:01:52,533 Speaker 3: All I could see was his blur passing beside me, 32 00:01:52,573 --> 00:01:54,573 Speaker 3: and thought, well, I'd better running because he's got a 33 00:01:54,573 --> 00:01:58,013 Speaker 3: few runs and I hadn't got any. So Frankis wanted 34 00:01:58,053 --> 00:02:02,093 Speaker 3: to blame you, he did, I'm sure he did. Yeah, 35 00:02:02,413 --> 00:02:05,733 Speaker 3: so did writing about that? 36 00:02:07,533 --> 00:02:09,453 Speaker 2: You wouldn't want to You wouldn't want to run him out, 37 00:02:09,453 --> 00:02:09,773 Speaker 2: would you? 38 00:02:10,533 --> 00:02:15,453 Speaker 3: Goodness, gracious fancy seeing those games? Unbelievable, isn't it really? 39 00:02:15,973 --> 00:02:18,733 Speaker 4: Well? Well, actually I think I saw the same one here, 40 00:02:18,853 --> 00:02:21,733 Speaker 4: because I saw you trailing the sort of Denis Lily 41 00:02:21,813 --> 00:02:24,453 Speaker 4: lock with the sort of open button kind of you 42 00:02:24,493 --> 00:02:29,893 Speaker 4: know chest. And then there was also one John Morrison 43 00:02:29,973 --> 00:02:34,693 Speaker 4: bowling well you know, well as it's called mystery, isn't 44 00:02:34,693 --> 00:02:37,893 Speaker 4: it just roll down? There was something? 45 00:02:38,053 --> 00:02:40,773 Speaker 2: Yeah? Who was the Who was the English batchman? I 46 00:02:40,813 --> 00:02:42,333 Speaker 2: think it was Dennis Compton, wasn't it? 47 00:02:42,333 --> 00:02:42,733 Speaker 4: Who was? 48 00:02:43,293 --> 00:02:47,413 Speaker 2: Once said that he often called somebody for a run 49 00:02:47,693 --> 00:02:49,613 Speaker 2: and wished them good luck at the same time. 50 00:02:50,693 --> 00:02:53,693 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it was him. 51 00:02:53,733 --> 00:02:58,653 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, goodness me, Well, the New Zealanders didn't 52 00:02:58,653 --> 00:03:01,453 Speaker 2: get too much good luck out of losing the toss 53 00:03:01,533 --> 00:03:05,453 Speaker 2: in gaul Before we had a look at the Test match. 54 00:03:05,533 --> 00:03:08,773 Speaker 2: Let's just hear from Tim Saudi and his action to 55 00:03:09,533 --> 00:03:12,413 Speaker 2: some of the events of the Test match. 56 00:03:12,933 --> 00:03:15,093 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was a pretty good Test match, 57 00:03:15,653 --> 00:03:19,173 Speaker 5: obviously falling short, but I think the position we've we've 58 00:03:19,173 --> 00:03:21,613 Speaker 5: got ourselves in with the bat in the first innings 59 00:03:21,893 --> 00:03:25,333 Speaker 5: and then I guess the way that the last four 60 00:03:25,373 --> 00:03:27,093 Speaker 5: or five buguests felt for for not many, he was 61 00:03:27,093 --> 00:03:30,293 Speaker 5: probably an opportunity there to gain a bit more of 62 00:03:30,333 --> 00:03:32,013 Speaker 5: a lead which would have made obviously the second and 63 00:03:31,973 --> 00:03:33,053 Speaker 5: it's easier. 64 00:03:33,053 --> 00:03:36,413 Speaker 2: A test to remember. For willow' rourke, Yeah, brilliant. 65 00:03:36,533 --> 00:03:39,013 Speaker 5: He's been obviously a very short Test career so far, 66 00:03:39,053 --> 00:03:43,493 Speaker 5: but he's he's certainly announced himself and we saw in 67 00:03:43,493 --> 00:03:46,933 Speaker 5: New Zealand how how dangerous he can be with ye 68 00:03:47,293 --> 00:03:50,013 Speaker 5: he's got the skills to have a very successful career 69 00:03:50,013 --> 00:03:52,173 Speaker 5: at this level. And him to come here and it's 70 00:03:52,173 --> 00:03:55,093 Speaker 5: firstly outing in the subcontinent and walk away with the 71 00:03:55,173 --> 00:03:58,973 Speaker 5: very impressive abookitts for the matches is nothing. 72 00:03:58,693 --> 00:04:00,533 Speaker 4: Short of Yeah. 73 00:04:00,693 --> 00:04:03,773 Speaker 5: Special and he's got a Yeah, he's got the tools 74 00:04:03,813 --> 00:04:06,573 Speaker 5: obviously we know in New Zealand and those conditions, but 75 00:04:06,653 --> 00:04:09,773 Speaker 5: to see him over here and doing well as very promising. 76 00:04:09,813 --> 00:04:12,813 Speaker 5: So he's got a great head on his shoulders. He's 77 00:04:13,053 --> 00:04:15,653 Speaker 5: he's a he's a big guy, and he's he's very skillful. 78 00:04:15,693 --> 00:04:18,893 Speaker 5: So it's a lot to like about what overall. 79 00:04:19,173 --> 00:04:22,413 Speaker 2: I must a chance to gain an advantage in the 80 00:04:22,493 --> 00:04:23,373 Speaker 2: first innings. 81 00:04:24,013 --> 00:04:26,933 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just mentioned then the first innings of the 82 00:04:26,973 --> 00:04:30,133 Speaker 5: bat losing the last five or guess for for not many, 83 00:04:30,133 --> 00:04:32,653 Speaker 5: there's probably an opportunity there to to press sign and 84 00:04:32,653 --> 00:04:34,653 Speaker 5: get more of a lead, but that wasn't to be. 85 00:04:35,413 --> 00:04:37,213 Speaker 5: We knew that that that signal ball was going to 86 00:04:37,253 --> 00:04:40,453 Speaker 5: be obviously tough with the nature of the wicket and 87 00:04:41,413 --> 00:04:44,293 Speaker 5: the quality of the schlunkin spin bolts. So yeah, I 88 00:04:44,333 --> 00:04:47,093 Speaker 5: think probably you look at at those those moments that 89 00:04:47,733 --> 00:04:49,653 Speaker 5: we're able to get through that and and I guess 90 00:04:49,653 --> 00:04:51,133 Speaker 5: press signing and get more of a lead than than 91 00:04:51,133 --> 00:04:53,213 Speaker 5: things could have been different. But but I think it 92 00:04:53,293 --> 00:04:56,893 Speaker 5: was still a good Test matches test match, and there's 93 00:04:56,933 --> 00:04:58,653 Speaker 5: plenty of plenty of good things that we can walk 94 00:04:58,693 --> 00:05:01,053 Speaker 5: away from looking into into the next couple of days 95 00:05:01,053 --> 00:05:01,933 Speaker 5: when you go again. 96 00:05:02,253 --> 00:05:05,013 Speaker 2: Rug and Ravenda also played a major role with the bat. 97 00:05:06,013 --> 00:05:09,293 Speaker 5: Yeah, it kept us in the hunt that with that chase, 98 00:05:10,093 --> 00:05:12,973 Speaker 5: and it's a great knock in those conditions. Not obviously 99 00:05:12,973 --> 00:05:16,613 Speaker 5: not easy to bat the ball spinning and and doing 100 00:05:16,653 --> 00:05:18,933 Speaker 5: all sorts. And for for a young guy to to 101 00:05:19,453 --> 00:05:21,373 Speaker 5: who has a lot of experience, experience in this part 102 00:05:21,413 --> 00:05:23,813 Speaker 5: of the world, to to go out and get niney 103 00:05:23,813 --> 00:05:26,053 Speaker 5: odd was, like I said, to keep us in the match. 104 00:05:26,093 --> 00:05:28,013 Speaker 5: And it's a great, great science for him as well. 105 00:05:28,093 --> 00:05:31,733 Speaker 5: So yeah, he's he's another one that's that's that's a 106 00:05:31,773 --> 00:05:35,773 Speaker 5: special talent and had a little taste of international cricket 107 00:05:35,773 --> 00:05:39,173 Speaker 5: and done done exceptionally well. So again a great young 108 00:05:39,253 --> 00:05:41,693 Speaker 5: kid with a with a good head on his shoulders. 109 00:05:41,413 --> 00:05:43,973 Speaker 2: And you believe the target was always gettable. 110 00:05:44,413 --> 00:05:45,653 Speaker 5: Yeah, we knew it was going to be tough and 111 00:05:45,693 --> 00:05:49,333 Speaker 5: it was going to take take something special with the 112 00:05:49,373 --> 00:05:52,493 Speaker 5: work at taking a lot of turn in these last 113 00:05:52,573 --> 00:05:54,693 Speaker 5: last couple of days. So yeah, we knew it was 114 00:05:54,733 --> 00:05:56,613 Speaker 5: going to be a tough ass, but it was never 115 00:05:56,773 --> 00:05:59,053 Speaker 5: never out of reach. It just a couple of guys 116 00:05:59,093 --> 00:06:01,853 Speaker 5: to get in and build a big partnership. Then then 117 00:06:01,893 --> 00:06:05,813 Speaker 5: anything can happen and we saw sixty odd runs. It's yeah, 118 00:06:05,853 --> 00:06:10,333 Speaker 5: it wasn't wasn't too far away. Yeah it's disappointing, but 119 00:06:10,453 --> 00:06:13,813 Speaker 5: yeah it wasn't. Sort of liked a few less to 120 00:06:14,133 --> 00:06:14,813 Speaker 5: chase obviously. 121 00:06:15,053 --> 00:06:19,333 Speaker 2: Yep. That's a Sauvian and paying tribute to I think 122 00:06:19,373 --> 00:06:22,573 Speaker 2: one of the successes of that Test match Will O'Rourke. 123 00:06:23,333 --> 00:06:27,693 Speaker 2: He's he's made an impressive start to a Test career. Jerry, 124 00:06:27,733 --> 00:06:31,533 Speaker 2: hasn't he with some pretty impressive pace bowling. 125 00:06:31,773 --> 00:06:40,373 Speaker 3: Certainly has Wadd's good physique, good height, got his rhythm going. 126 00:06:40,453 --> 00:06:45,093 Speaker 3: Didn't he at gaul and bowled with decent pace? He's 127 00:06:45,133 --> 00:06:48,013 Speaker 3: already picked up wickets against South Africa? Hasn't he at home? 128 00:06:48,093 --> 00:06:51,413 Speaker 3: But this was a harder, harder sort of question for him. 129 00:06:51,453 --> 00:06:54,973 Speaker 3: Really over there the humidity, you know, they are foreign 130 00:06:55,013 --> 00:07:02,013 Speaker 3: conditions and they are energy sapping kind of days. And 131 00:07:02,853 --> 00:07:06,613 Speaker 3: I thought he found a link that really troubled the 132 00:07:06,653 --> 00:07:09,413 Speaker 3: Sri Lankans, didn't you guys think that? I mean, he 133 00:07:09,493 --> 00:07:13,813 Speaker 3: got movement back into the right handers, not just in 134 00:07:13,893 --> 00:07:17,253 Speaker 3: the air but also off the pitch, quite extravagant at times, 135 00:07:18,013 --> 00:07:23,133 Speaker 3: and had them jumping back in the crease. And made 136 00:07:23,213 --> 00:07:26,733 Speaker 3: them uncomfortable, let's be fair about it, in their top order, 137 00:07:26,773 --> 00:07:27,493 Speaker 3: didn't you think so? 138 00:07:28,693 --> 00:07:29,093 Speaker 4: Very much? 139 00:07:29,133 --> 00:07:29,293 Speaker 1: So? 140 00:07:29,453 --> 00:07:32,933 Speaker 4: I think he's been impressive since his debut at the 141 00:07:32,973 --> 00:07:38,373 Speaker 4: base and earlier this year against against Australia. As you say, 142 00:07:38,853 --> 00:07:42,453 Speaker 4: he bottles with decent pace, but more than anything, he 143 00:07:42,493 --> 00:07:45,293 Speaker 4: gets bounced and he makes it uncomfortable for batsman and 144 00:07:45,333 --> 00:07:48,693 Speaker 4: on that sort of wicket that's pretty impressive. And the 145 00:07:48,693 --> 00:07:51,133 Speaker 4: ability to come back and end up with five in 146 00:07:51,173 --> 00:07:54,773 Speaker 4: their first innings that says a lot. Particularly, most of 147 00:07:54,813 --> 00:07:57,053 Speaker 4: these guys are pretty much underdone. Weren't they coming in? 148 00:07:57,373 --> 00:08:00,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's been the problem. I think that they were underdone. 149 00:08:00,333 --> 00:08:04,053 Speaker 2: They didn't get the game they wanted against Afghanistan and 150 00:08:04,533 --> 00:08:07,853 Speaker 2: it took almost the whole Test for them to really 151 00:08:08,693 --> 00:08:12,693 Speaker 2: gets the rhythm of the game. I think O'Rourke's got 152 00:08:12,693 --> 00:08:14,813 Speaker 2: an element of the Chris Martin about him in terms 153 00:08:14,893 --> 00:08:17,013 Speaker 2: of the way he delivers the ball and he is 154 00:08:17,053 --> 00:08:19,693 Speaker 2: getting the ball to well is he is he seeing 155 00:08:19,813 --> 00:08:21,173 Speaker 2: it or is he in swinging it? 156 00:08:21,293 --> 00:08:24,013 Speaker 3: Well, it kind of keeps going a bit wadds. It 157 00:08:24,053 --> 00:08:26,693 Speaker 3: goes with the swing, you know, it's almost it's not 158 00:08:26,893 --> 00:08:29,933 Speaker 3: the ball isn't going to straighten if it's swinging back 159 00:08:29,933 --> 00:08:33,173 Speaker 3: into you. It doesn't then straighten up. It keeps going, 160 00:08:33,253 --> 00:08:37,853 Speaker 3: doesn't it. It's as if it seems and so yeah, no, 161 00:08:37,973 --> 00:08:42,613 Speaker 3: he was impressive and he's and he bold. I thought, 162 00:08:43,093 --> 00:08:46,893 Speaker 3: you know, thirty six overs that was quite a heavy 163 00:08:46,973 --> 00:08:50,533 Speaker 3: workload and New Zealand had to turn to him. I 164 00:08:50,573 --> 00:08:53,373 Speaker 3: don't know what you but they had to turn to 165 00:08:53,453 --> 00:08:57,053 Speaker 3: him because he was the only one really threatening and 166 00:08:57,133 --> 00:08:59,453 Speaker 3: looking like getting a wicket at any stage. 167 00:08:59,773 --> 00:09:01,533 Speaker 2: Well, we're going to have to look after him, an't we. 168 00:09:01,933 --> 00:09:04,253 Speaker 2: I mean we don't want to be using him. Yes, 169 00:09:04,293 --> 00:09:07,453 Speaker 2: he is a strike baller, but I think I think 170 00:09:07,493 --> 00:09:09,213 Speaker 2: he's got to be looked down after as well, doesn't he? 171 00:09:09,373 --> 00:09:12,853 Speaker 4: No question, Brian. I mean I recall back at the 172 00:09:13,093 --> 00:09:17,333 Speaker 4: basin there he didn't finish that test, I mean lastly 173 00:09:17,413 --> 00:09:20,573 Speaker 4: because he was called back without particular warning and ended 174 00:09:20,653 --> 00:09:23,733 Speaker 4: up straining his back. So there's a case example. You know, 175 00:09:23,813 --> 00:09:25,573 Speaker 4: you've got to be careful, particularly with that sort of 176 00:09:25,573 --> 00:09:29,253 Speaker 4: body shape. You can't over bowl them because he needs 177 00:09:29,373 --> 00:09:31,253 Speaker 4: needs two or three more years to grow into himself, 178 00:09:31,253 --> 00:09:33,653 Speaker 4: because he's still a very young man. So I agree 179 00:09:33,693 --> 00:09:37,333 Speaker 4: with you. I was actually pretty pessimistic coming into this. 180 00:09:37,413 --> 00:09:41,733 Speaker 4: So in terms of the Test match, no, prep didn't 181 00:09:41,773 --> 00:09:45,253 Speaker 4: get that game against Afghanistan, so to actually have some 182 00:09:45,293 --> 00:09:49,573 Speaker 4: sort of bright spots was encouraging in some respects. However, 183 00:09:50,653 --> 00:09:55,133 Speaker 4: there are concerns about the wider team squad I'd like 184 00:09:55,213 --> 00:09:57,693 Speaker 4: to sort of raise if I can, and I have 185 00:09:57,773 --> 00:09:59,973 Speaker 4: some question marks about some selections as well. 186 00:10:00,293 --> 00:10:05,213 Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, Well one of those won't be around Rutch 187 00:10:05,253 --> 00:10:08,853 Speaker 2: and Ravender, will it? Because I mean, he showed the 188 00:10:08,933 --> 00:10:12,013 Speaker 2: quality that we expect from him, but the next Test 189 00:10:12,053 --> 00:10:14,013 Speaker 2: match is going to have to see some changes, isn't it. 190 00:10:14,213 --> 00:10:16,493 Speaker 4: Can I just touch it on Russian Ravender? You know, 191 00:10:16,533 --> 00:10:19,773 Speaker 4: I watched him quite closely and I really enjoyed that 192 00:10:19,813 --> 00:10:24,093 Speaker 4: sicking innings and how he played played late, He was decisive, 193 00:10:24,173 --> 00:10:27,653 Speaker 4: his footwork was good. When they bowled a loose one, 194 00:10:27,693 --> 00:10:30,213 Speaker 4: he put it away. It was a It was a 195 00:10:30,333 --> 00:10:34,813 Speaker 4: it was a top knock in challenging conditions and frankly 196 00:10:34,853 --> 00:10:37,933 Speaker 4: there was no one else, although I did think until 197 00:10:37,933 --> 00:10:41,333 Speaker 4: he got out rather stupidly, Blundle wasn't too bad either. 198 00:10:41,973 --> 00:10:45,013 Speaker 4: But why do you why do you, Jerry? Can you 199 00:10:45,053 --> 00:10:48,573 Speaker 4: explain this to me? Expose your stumps by reverse sweeping 200 00:10:48,613 --> 00:10:49,533 Speaker 4: out of the rough. 201 00:10:50,133 --> 00:10:53,373 Speaker 3: Well, you don't really not when it's not when it's 202 00:10:53,453 --> 00:10:58,413 Speaker 3: outside leg, when it's pitching. Makes the reverse sweep very hard, 203 00:10:58,413 --> 00:11:01,133 Speaker 3: doesn't it. When you're reaching, you know, past your leg 204 00:11:01,253 --> 00:11:03,413 Speaker 3: to try and get it round and across to the 205 00:11:03,453 --> 00:11:08,293 Speaker 3: off side. Even a conventional sweep, if he wanted to 206 00:11:08,533 --> 00:11:13,293 Speaker 3: do so, is a better option. Sweeping anytime, I would 207 00:11:13,333 --> 00:11:16,653 Speaker 3: have thought, out of the rough is quite a precarious 208 00:11:16,693 --> 00:11:19,493 Speaker 3: thing to do because you do get as you know, 209 00:11:20,373 --> 00:11:24,293 Speaker 3: variable bounce, don't you sometimes, And so instead of getting 210 00:11:24,293 --> 00:11:25,653 Speaker 3: it in the middle of the bat, it gets to 211 00:11:25,693 --> 00:11:28,733 Speaker 3: the top edge and you provide an opportunity, or it 212 00:11:28,773 --> 00:11:31,173 Speaker 3: goes beyond that and you get the gloves into play. 213 00:11:31,813 --> 00:11:36,613 Speaker 3: And I mean, while while Blundele played the sweep and 214 00:11:36,653 --> 00:11:39,693 Speaker 3: the reverse sweep pretty well, I thought in that match 215 00:11:40,333 --> 00:11:43,293 Speaker 3: he did get out to it both innings, didn't he 216 00:11:43,293 --> 00:11:45,813 Speaker 3: He got a glove in the first innings and then 217 00:11:46,173 --> 00:11:49,573 Speaker 3: he's got bold middle stump around his leg, around his 218 00:11:49,653 --> 00:11:53,653 Speaker 3: legs in the second. But it was proving, you know, 219 00:11:53,773 --> 00:11:58,053 Speaker 3: for him, maybe he felt and not many players did 220 00:11:58,093 --> 00:12:01,813 Speaker 3: play down the ground much, did they. It wasn't big 221 00:12:01,933 --> 00:12:05,453 Speaker 3: drives at all. It wasn't one of those surfaces, and 222 00:12:05,493 --> 00:12:07,133 Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be in the next 223 00:12:07,133 --> 00:12:10,573 Speaker 3: match either, so you need to play square. I think 224 00:12:11,093 --> 00:12:15,293 Speaker 3: a lot better. I thought Ravendra played well. I mean 225 00:12:15,693 --> 00:12:18,333 Speaker 3: he came in and was uncertain in the second innings, 226 00:12:18,493 --> 00:12:20,493 Speaker 3: played off the back foot to defend, as a lot 227 00:12:20,533 --> 00:12:23,613 Speaker 3: of batsmen do if you can get through those first 228 00:12:23,613 --> 00:12:26,693 Speaker 3: twenty balls, and he was nearly out, wasn't He played 229 00:12:26,733 --> 00:12:29,933 Speaker 3: an edge bottom edge onto the keeper's foot and it 230 00:12:30,213 --> 00:12:33,853 Speaker 3: just fell short of first slip. But you know, once 231 00:12:33,893 --> 00:12:35,693 Speaker 3: he got the hang of it and then he started 232 00:12:35,693 --> 00:12:40,493 Speaker 3: coming forward as well, in a good stride in I 233 00:12:40,533 --> 00:12:43,093 Speaker 3: thought he played very nicely and judged the length well. 234 00:12:43,133 --> 00:12:47,413 Speaker 3: He scored mainly off the back foot, didn't He punches cuts, 235 00:12:47,893 --> 00:12:50,933 Speaker 3: you know, sweeps, a pool shot, you know, those were 236 00:12:50,973 --> 00:12:53,093 Speaker 3: the areas that were working well for him. 237 00:12:53,493 --> 00:12:56,213 Speaker 4: But he was also I noticed he was waiting for 238 00:12:56,293 --> 00:13:00,533 Speaker 4: that opportunity rather than perhaps forcing the pace, let him 239 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:02,933 Speaker 4: drop short and then he would get onto them. Was 240 00:13:03,013 --> 00:13:05,493 Speaker 4: that was what I found impressive about, Whereas some of 241 00:13:05,613 --> 00:13:09,733 Speaker 4: other players get after him, and it wasn't as as 242 00:13:09,813 --> 00:13:13,733 Speaker 4: time it was was was was an issue, It wasn't 243 00:13:13,773 --> 00:13:17,173 Speaker 4: at all. Yeah, I just wondered why, for instance, coming 244 00:13:17,173 --> 00:13:19,133 Speaker 4: back to Blundle, who I have a great I think 245 00:13:19,173 --> 00:13:24,173 Speaker 4: he's a very fine cricketer and excellent keeper. But you know, 246 00:13:24,173 --> 00:13:27,453 Speaker 4: why wouldn't he outside leg where they're bowling into that 247 00:13:27,533 --> 00:13:29,813 Speaker 4: rough just kick it away a bit and make them 248 00:13:29,813 --> 00:13:33,333 Speaker 4: come come over the wicket, You make them change, make 249 00:13:33,373 --> 00:13:38,133 Speaker 4: them ales that that sort of thing, because all of 250 00:13:38,173 --> 00:13:40,253 Speaker 4: a sudden we're playing into their hands. And this guy 251 00:13:40,493 --> 00:13:44,413 Speaker 4: was a jas Are in the left armor with six 252 00:13:44,493 --> 00:13:49,093 Speaker 4: and five and five and four wickets, pretty handy looking bowler. 253 00:13:49,653 --> 00:13:53,253 Speaker 4: So I think that we went after it whereas we 254 00:13:53,253 --> 00:13:55,373 Speaker 4: we we let them sort of, we gave them the 255 00:13:55,373 --> 00:13:59,093 Speaker 4: opportunities as opposed to, you know, making them come at up, 256 00:13:59,253 --> 00:14:02,573 Speaker 4: come at us, so to speak. Where that's what that's 257 00:14:02,573 --> 00:14:05,453 Speaker 4: what Ravendra did very very well, and that's sticking innings. 258 00:14:05,893 --> 00:14:07,093 Speaker 4: I thought he was really impressive. 259 00:14:07,253 --> 00:14:12,213 Speaker 3: Soilliamson was interesting, wasn't he. Williamson came out and I 260 00:14:12,253 --> 00:14:17,653 Speaker 3: thought he batted I mean, two quite odd dismissals for him, really, 261 00:14:19,493 --> 00:14:22,413 Speaker 3: but he obviously was going to be proactive. You could 262 00:14:22,413 --> 00:14:26,453 Speaker 3: see he was looking to play, you know, let's call 263 00:14:26,493 --> 00:14:30,813 Speaker 3: it positively. And I thought in the first innings he 264 00:14:30,813 --> 00:14:34,773 Speaker 3: played very well. He played some very nice shots and 265 00:14:34,893 --> 00:14:38,093 Speaker 3: appropriate shots too, but he was quite prepared to go 266 00:14:38,173 --> 00:14:42,453 Speaker 3: at the bowlers at the spinners. The second innings, he thought. 267 00:14:42,533 --> 00:14:45,013 Speaker 3: He just went a bit early, I thought, and he 268 00:14:45,133 --> 00:14:49,013 Speaker 3: gave the left armor Jayasuria, just a chance to drag 269 00:14:49,093 --> 00:14:53,253 Speaker 3: it down, just a little look. And he couldn't at 270 00:14:53,293 --> 00:14:56,853 Speaker 3: once at pictures and you're not there. It's it's impossible. 271 00:14:56,893 --> 00:14:59,853 Speaker 3: You can't do anything else. So I thought that was 272 00:14:59,853 --> 00:15:02,333 Speaker 3: a slightly odd dismissal because he didn't need to. I 273 00:15:02,453 --> 00:15:04,893 Speaker 3: was with you on that move. He was going well anyway. 274 00:15:05,213 --> 00:15:07,853 Speaker 3: It hit him for six over extra cover. It hit 275 00:15:07,933 --> 00:15:12,293 Speaker 3: him through the covers going down. But you can't go 276 00:15:12,413 --> 00:15:15,493 Speaker 3: early down there, you can't do that. And that was 277 00:15:15,773 --> 00:15:19,653 Speaker 3: and that was a surprise and such an important innings too. 278 00:15:19,853 --> 00:15:23,413 Speaker 3: I thought Latham was organized and sweeping in the way 279 00:15:23,453 --> 00:15:27,293 Speaker 3: that he played Revendro. We've spoken about Mitchell in the 280 00:15:27,333 --> 00:15:30,013 Speaker 3: first innings, looked solid in the second. And as he 281 00:15:30,053 --> 00:15:33,093 Speaker 3: got done by one that came back very quickly from 282 00:15:33,093 --> 00:15:36,853 Speaker 3: the off spinner and beat his defensive shot, that's okay, 283 00:15:36,853 --> 00:15:40,253 Speaker 3: that can happen into the pads and rebounded onto the stumps. 284 00:15:40,853 --> 00:15:45,133 Speaker 3: So Philip's had an innings and the first inning. So overall, 285 00:15:45,173 --> 00:15:48,693 Speaker 3: and you add in Blundle, I thought the batsmen generally 286 00:15:49,133 --> 00:15:52,373 Speaker 3: were looking in reasonable nick for the amount of play 287 00:15:52,413 --> 00:15:54,973 Speaker 3: that they could, you know, fit in. If I could 288 00:15:54,973 --> 00:15:57,693 Speaker 3: make two comments just and see what you guys think, 289 00:15:58,013 --> 00:16:01,973 Speaker 3: I did think we had two chances to win that game. 290 00:16:02,813 --> 00:16:07,293 Speaker 3: And I think because of the way that pictures are 291 00:16:07,373 --> 00:16:09,653 Speaker 3: over there, if you're bat in your first innings, whether 292 00:16:09,653 --> 00:16:14,453 Speaker 3: that's first or second, those are critical innings. It's not 293 00:16:14,573 --> 00:16:16,693 Speaker 3: that the third and the fourth innings in a match 294 00:16:16,733 --> 00:16:22,453 Speaker 3: over in Gaul are much tougher conditions to batting, and 295 00:16:22,853 --> 00:16:25,373 Speaker 3: you've got to make the most of that opportunity in 296 00:16:25,413 --> 00:16:28,773 Speaker 3: your first innings. That's the first point. And for me watching, 297 00:16:28,853 --> 00:16:32,093 Speaker 3: I felt we missed out on both opportunities in those 298 00:16:32,133 --> 00:16:35,693 Speaker 3: first innings. On the first day, we had Sri Lanka 299 00:16:36,213 --> 00:16:42,573 Speaker 3: who batted four for one hundred, Nasanka Karuna Ratna Chandamal out, 300 00:16:42,893 --> 00:16:46,053 Speaker 3: Matthew's off the field with a finger injury. The Silver 301 00:16:46,533 --> 00:16:49,853 Speaker 3: came in and was just bold and at that point 302 00:16:50,373 --> 00:16:55,573 Speaker 3: Commindu batting really nicely for them left hander. We needed 303 00:16:55,573 --> 00:16:58,533 Speaker 3: to place great pressure on Matthew's coming back in with 304 00:16:58,613 --> 00:17:03,173 Speaker 3: the finger problem, and I thought we really needed to 305 00:17:03,253 --> 00:17:06,893 Speaker 3: keep Comindu up at the bowler's end, so we needed 306 00:17:07,013 --> 00:17:12,413 Speaker 3: tight fields. Once Matthews was on strike and we were 307 00:17:12,453 --> 00:17:15,053 Speaker 3: a little bit guilty. I thought our spinners of losing 308 00:17:15,093 --> 00:17:20,613 Speaker 3: our length and dragging down in that second session and 309 00:17:20,933 --> 00:17:23,573 Speaker 3: Matthews got was allowed to pick up singles and got 310 00:17:23,573 --> 00:17:26,333 Speaker 3: thirty five off of about one hundred and twenty balls, 311 00:17:26,413 --> 00:17:29,533 Speaker 3: so he's only scoring it sort of strike rate of 312 00:17:29,573 --> 00:17:33,253 Speaker 3: thirty wasn't damaging us, but he was allowing Kmindu to 313 00:17:33,333 --> 00:17:37,173 Speaker 3: face a lot more balls. So I thought we needed 314 00:17:37,213 --> 00:17:39,493 Speaker 3: to do that a bit better. I thought, as the 315 00:17:39,533 --> 00:17:43,253 Speaker 3: ball got softer as the game went, as the innings 316 00:17:43,293 --> 00:17:47,853 Speaker 3: went on, we need to stop boundaries. Sri Lanka got 317 00:17:47,893 --> 00:17:50,573 Speaker 3: thirty three boundaries in their first innings of three hundred 318 00:17:50,573 --> 00:17:54,293 Speaker 3: and five. New Zealand got twenty five boundaries in three 319 00:17:54,413 --> 00:17:57,253 Speaker 3: hundred and forty, so we need to do a bit 320 00:17:57,293 --> 00:18:00,013 Speaker 3: better there. I think, be aware of that. And the 321 00:18:00,053 --> 00:18:03,893 Speaker 3: next thing is batsman can when they're confronting a softer ball. 322 00:18:04,453 --> 00:18:07,293 Speaker 3: There's a less quick turn because the ball isn't so hard, 323 00:18:07,493 --> 00:18:09,813 Speaker 3: there's a less bound and you can play off the 324 00:18:09,853 --> 00:18:12,853 Speaker 3: back foot a lot more. As we saw Ofvindra do 325 00:18:13,893 --> 00:18:16,693 Speaker 3: so We need our spinners to be aware of that 326 00:18:16,813 --> 00:18:19,653 Speaker 3: and the speeds that they bowl in the lengths that 327 00:18:19,733 --> 00:18:24,173 Speaker 3: they bowl at that time absolutely critical. Second point sorry 328 00:18:24,213 --> 00:18:29,093 Speaker 3: talking so long wads is in the If you look 329 00:18:29,133 --> 00:18:33,333 Speaker 3: at the wickets in this match and how they fell. 330 00:18:33,573 --> 00:18:37,493 Speaker 3: Day one seven wickets, two three three, those are the sessions. 331 00:18:37,973 --> 00:18:42,293 Speaker 3: Day two seven wickets three two two. Going through each 332 00:18:42,373 --> 00:18:45,813 Speaker 3: session three wickets, two wickets, two wickets. Day three, New 333 00:18:45,893 --> 00:18:50,253 Speaker 3: Zealand are two fifty five to four. First session. New 334 00:18:50,333 --> 00:18:55,773 Speaker 3: Zealand lose six in our first innings. There's the game, 335 00:18:56,293 --> 00:19:00,173 Speaker 3: specially once Sri Lanka don't lose any wickets at all 336 00:19:00,653 --> 00:19:03,973 Speaker 3: in the second session of that day. Karuna Ratner and 337 00:19:04,053 --> 00:19:07,973 Speaker 3: Chandimail had that big partnership, that was the game. So 338 00:19:08,373 --> 00:19:12,213 Speaker 3: those two opportunities I thought there were a chance for 339 00:19:12,293 --> 00:19:15,813 Speaker 3: New Zealand to really make a mark and set a 340 00:19:15,853 --> 00:19:17,573 Speaker 3: marker down and we missed them both. 341 00:19:18,173 --> 00:19:20,293 Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the things that's interesting, of course, is 342 00:19:20,293 --> 00:19:25,853 Speaker 2: that Jayasuria has got eighty eight Test wickets and he's 343 00:19:25,893 --> 00:19:30,973 Speaker 2: got sixty two of them at the Gaul venue. So 344 00:19:31,053 --> 00:19:35,053 Speaker 2: he's made for that venue, isn't he. And we have 345 00:19:35,173 --> 00:19:38,413 Speaker 2: to be able to cope with that. With the bat 346 00:19:38,693 --> 00:19:41,093 Speaker 2: and if you're going to be batting forth, it's not 347 00:19:41,093 --> 00:19:41,773 Speaker 2: going to be easy. 348 00:19:42,213 --> 00:19:45,613 Speaker 4: Oh look, there was no question about that. That that said, 349 00:19:45,653 --> 00:19:48,293 Speaker 4: you know this this is some This is an improving 350 00:19:48,293 --> 00:19:51,013 Speaker 4: Sri Lankan team. I mean there's some this this guy 351 00:19:51,053 --> 00:19:54,013 Speaker 4: come into amend this what a player he's turning up 352 00:19:54,013 --> 00:19:56,813 Speaker 4: to be runs in England one hundred of you. Now, 353 00:19:58,093 --> 00:20:00,093 Speaker 4: So Jerry, you're right if if you if you can't 354 00:20:00,093 --> 00:20:03,493 Speaker 4: put the pressure on and take the opportunity these guys 355 00:20:03,493 --> 00:20:07,213 Speaker 4: wire taken away from you. It's it's they look, they 356 00:20:07,253 --> 00:20:10,133 Speaker 4: look not a bad science. I think you want to 357 00:20:10,133 --> 00:20:12,573 Speaker 4: win the toss in the next test. Put it that one. 358 00:20:13,013 --> 00:20:17,653 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, the toss is important in Asia. We 359 00:20:17,693 --> 00:20:21,933 Speaker 3: know that for the reasons we've spoken about. The first 360 00:20:21,933 --> 00:20:25,213 Speaker 3: two winnings become important and then the pitch deteriorates and 361 00:20:25,253 --> 00:20:31,973 Speaker 3: it's harder. I don't I don't. You said you said 362 00:20:31,973 --> 00:20:34,693 Speaker 3: something about if it was a pitch at Lord's early on, 363 00:20:34,773 --> 00:20:39,813 Speaker 3: and I I just it's different from what we're used to. 364 00:20:39,893 --> 00:20:43,933 Speaker 3: It's different from what we see. And that's the problem, 365 00:20:43,973 --> 00:20:49,973 Speaker 3: isn't it For our batsmen? Inconsistent bounced footmarks turning quite 366 00:20:50,573 --> 00:20:55,173 Speaker 3: you know, quite viciously at times. But if you look 367 00:20:55,213 --> 00:21:00,253 Speaker 3: at the scores three hundred and five, three forty, three 368 00:21:00,333 --> 00:21:03,213 Speaker 3: hundred and nine and then a two hundred and something, 369 00:21:04,053 --> 00:21:07,373 Speaker 3: they're not They're not figures. That's that that's say it's 370 00:21:07,413 --> 00:21:12,733 Speaker 3: you know, it's flat, but they are They're not awful innings, 371 00:21:12,773 --> 00:21:16,133 Speaker 3: are they. I think that would be the first point. 372 00:21:16,173 --> 00:21:18,573 Speaker 3: I would make. The second one if you go through 373 00:21:18,613 --> 00:21:24,413 Speaker 3: the individual batsman first innings five batsmen twenty seven thirty 374 00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:27,333 Speaker 3: thirty six, one hundred and fourteen and fifty that Sri 375 00:21:27,413 --> 00:21:33,093 Speaker 3: Lanka batting New Zealand, second innings seventy fifty five fifty 376 00:21:33,173 --> 00:21:37,373 Speaker 3: seven forty nine not out twenty five thirty nine six batsmen, 377 00:21:38,773 --> 00:21:43,293 Speaker 3: third innings eighty three sixty one fifty forty twenty three 378 00:21:43,573 --> 00:21:47,693 Speaker 3: five batsmen for Sri Lanka. They're not brilliant scores. I 379 00:21:47,813 --> 00:21:51,733 Speaker 3: understand that. But it says that you can bat on it, 380 00:21:51,773 --> 00:21:55,493 Speaker 3: doesn't it. I mean those figures to me say it's 381 00:21:55,573 --> 00:21:57,053 Speaker 3: not substandard. 382 00:21:57,213 --> 00:22:01,813 Speaker 4: I mean, I actually four in the context of that 383 00:22:01,973 --> 00:22:05,373 Speaker 4: might it went to five days albeit yep, not really 384 00:22:07,373 --> 00:22:10,373 Speaker 4: day one. We had a rock getting some bounce and 385 00:22:10,373 --> 00:22:15,493 Speaker 4: some carry. The first catch was was went carried well 386 00:22:15,533 --> 00:22:17,693 Speaker 4: through the blundle. So in that sense, then then you 387 00:22:17,733 --> 00:22:21,013 Speaker 4: look at the scores, Well, yeah, it probably wasn't too 388 00:22:21,013 --> 00:22:24,613 Speaker 4: bad a wicket really, you know, it was as a 389 00:22:24,653 --> 00:22:27,373 Speaker 4: Test wicket, you'd expect it to start to start to 390 00:22:28,053 --> 00:22:31,293 Speaker 4: turn in days three, three, four, and that's what it did. 391 00:22:32,013 --> 00:22:34,013 Speaker 4: I'll be concerned though, what's going to happen in the 392 00:22:34,013 --> 00:22:38,773 Speaker 4: next Test, whether they recycle this one or they've got 393 00:22:38,813 --> 00:22:41,933 Speaker 4: another deck to use. I hope that they don't recycle it, 394 00:22:42,493 --> 00:22:44,653 Speaker 4: but I think this is what we've got another. 395 00:22:44,453 --> 00:22:49,453 Speaker 3: Oh I can't. I can't recycle it most well. 396 00:22:49,213 --> 00:22:53,533 Speaker 2: But what did they do? I saw the block every 397 00:22:53,613 --> 00:22:57,613 Speaker 2: day and there didn't look to be much in preparation 398 00:22:58,533 --> 00:23:04,653 Speaker 2: in terms of Yeah, I mean, and I don't. I 399 00:23:04,693 --> 00:23:07,333 Speaker 2: don't think that it's the kind of pitch we want 400 00:23:07,373 --> 00:23:11,133 Speaker 2: to see another Test match on. That's my view. I 401 00:23:11,653 --> 00:23:15,093 Speaker 2: think it's substandard myself, because it was turning and it 402 00:23:15,173 --> 00:23:21,253 Speaker 2: was dry on day one. And you know, what are 403 00:23:21,253 --> 00:23:23,933 Speaker 2: they going to do in the next Test match? Are 404 00:23:23,933 --> 00:23:29,053 Speaker 2: they going to play the same kind of Test match 405 00:23:29,853 --> 00:23:30,653 Speaker 2: on that deck? 406 00:23:31,853 --> 00:23:34,573 Speaker 3: Well, well they're going to play hopefully on a different pitch, 407 00:23:35,093 --> 00:23:39,333 Speaker 3: but it will be similar. Yes, Gold has been when 408 00:23:39,373 --> 00:23:42,813 Speaker 3: I was there and played and Australia were playing the 409 00:23:43,453 --> 00:23:49,293 Speaker 3: first Test against and Sri Lanka won that one. It 410 00:23:49,413 --> 00:23:54,533 Speaker 3: was rated below average by you know, I mean every 411 00:23:54,693 --> 00:23:59,213 Speaker 3: match refs on duty they you know, rate the pitch. 412 00:23:59,893 --> 00:24:03,693 Speaker 3: If it's rated substandard, then the home board you know, 413 00:24:03,853 --> 00:24:07,933 Speaker 3: is required to explain why and the venuers and to 414 00:24:08,013 --> 00:24:12,693 Speaker 3: be you know, a substandard. I think they've got to 415 00:24:12,973 --> 00:24:18,813 Speaker 3: then give some reasons if it's unsatisfactory or unfit, and 416 00:24:18,973 --> 00:24:22,213 Speaker 3: sanctions can be applied. So it was below over. The 417 00:24:22,253 --> 00:24:28,053 Speaker 3: second Test against Australia was rated good. Now against Ireland 418 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:35,573 Speaker 3: last year they played two matches in Gaul, both rated good. Interestingly, 419 00:24:35,613 --> 00:24:37,813 Speaker 3: I looked at New Zealand versus Sri Lanka in the 420 00:24:37,853 --> 00:24:43,813 Speaker 3: seventh of March twenty twenty three at the basin rated average. 421 00:24:45,253 --> 00:24:50,173 Speaker 3: So it's an interesting it's an interesting one. But I 422 00:24:50,293 --> 00:24:53,253 Speaker 3: don't think that that was a substandard pitch. I've seen 423 00:24:53,293 --> 00:24:54,173 Speaker 3: it worse at Gaul. 424 00:24:55,453 --> 00:24:57,413 Speaker 4: Well. I think it's borne out by virtue of the 425 00:24:57,453 --> 00:24:59,133 Speaker 4: number of the scores, the number of runs that were 426 00:24:59,133 --> 00:25:02,133 Speaker 4: actually made. So I'd agree with you, but I have 427 00:25:02,173 --> 00:25:05,693 Speaker 4: a reservation. It's about what's happening in the second Test. 428 00:25:05,973 --> 00:25:07,973 Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be interesting to look at. 429 00:25:08,413 --> 00:25:12,173 Speaker 4: Ask a question, and we're concerned about a couple of things. Conway, 430 00:25:13,973 --> 00:25:17,173 Speaker 4: what's happening there? Because the guy that I just thought 431 00:25:17,213 --> 00:25:19,933 Speaker 4: was fabulous, but in the last eighteen months a production 432 00:25:20,053 --> 00:25:24,613 Speaker 4: has been modest at best, and seeing well out of 433 00:25:24,653 --> 00:25:28,173 Speaker 4: sorts the way you got out the second innings, you know, 434 00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:32,493 Speaker 4: reaching out looking for it, searching for it. It's it's 435 00:25:32,493 --> 00:25:35,933 Speaker 4: a concern and a question whether whether whether a guy 436 00:25:36,053 --> 00:25:38,133 Speaker 4: like Yan wouldn't be better there. 437 00:25:39,413 --> 00:25:41,733 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, what what do you think? 438 00:25:42,493 --> 00:25:47,453 Speaker 2: Well, to my mind, I'm not happy with the pitch myself. 439 00:25:47,653 --> 00:25:51,493 Speaker 2: That that's my view. It's it's not the kind of 440 00:25:51,533 --> 00:25:56,133 Speaker 2: pitch I want to watch another Test match on. I 441 00:25:56,573 --> 00:26:00,493 Speaker 2: don't think it's good enough. But if they're going to 442 00:26:00,493 --> 00:26:04,013 Speaker 2: be playing on it, well, Will Young has to come 443 00:26:04,013 --> 00:26:11,013 Speaker 2: into contention because Conway, to my mind, has been short 444 00:26:11,013 --> 00:26:11,533 Speaker 2: of a gallop. 445 00:26:11,973 --> 00:26:16,573 Speaker 4: Well, he more than anything is underdone. Yeah, yeah, yeah 446 00:26:16,613 --> 00:26:16,933 Speaker 4: he is. 447 00:26:17,053 --> 00:26:19,733 Speaker 3: And opening is not an easy gig anyway, is it? 448 00:26:20,333 --> 00:26:25,173 Speaker 3: But but yeah, I think I personally think that there 449 00:26:25,173 --> 00:26:29,013 Speaker 3: are three positions if I was involved with the team 450 00:26:29,133 --> 00:26:32,653 Speaker 3: I would like to discuss in terms of selection for 451 00:26:32,733 --> 00:26:38,293 Speaker 3: the next match. The first one in terms of the batting, Yeah, 452 00:26:38,453 --> 00:26:41,933 Speaker 3: Conway LBW in the first innings, playing across the ball 453 00:26:42,773 --> 00:26:45,053 Speaker 3: slightly and closing the face of the bats so he 454 00:26:45,093 --> 00:26:48,093 Speaker 3: misses it in his LBW. That's happened to a number 455 00:26:48,093 --> 00:26:50,253 Speaker 3: of our players. In fact, the dangerous ball on a 456 00:26:50,293 --> 00:26:53,173 Speaker 3: pitch like that is the one that's straight, that carries 457 00:26:53,173 --> 00:26:56,133 Speaker 3: straight on. You know, you're looking to play for a 458 00:26:56,173 --> 00:26:59,453 Speaker 3: little bit of turn, and of course it slides on 459 00:26:59,653 --> 00:27:02,693 Speaker 3: and it's into your pad before you can adjust, depending 460 00:27:02,733 --> 00:27:06,053 Speaker 3: on the length. The second one, I thought, I just 461 00:27:06,093 --> 00:27:12,053 Speaker 3: saw uncertainty, of uncertainty about Devon Unfortunately about his defense. 462 00:27:13,253 --> 00:27:15,773 Speaker 3: He got a couple of wide deliveries he could easily 463 00:27:15,853 --> 00:27:20,493 Speaker 3: let go and then no forward movement, no step that 464 00:27:20,653 --> 00:27:23,733 Speaker 3: step that we were talking about Ravendra get forward well 465 00:27:24,893 --> 00:27:28,173 Speaker 3: or back well, and he was just sort of keeping 466 00:27:28,173 --> 00:27:30,973 Speaker 3: his feet and almost as if he was setting up 467 00:27:30,973 --> 00:27:34,293 Speaker 3: to bat and the hands go and that's why the 468 00:27:34,373 --> 00:27:37,533 Speaker 3: hands are out in front that you were talking about 469 00:27:37,653 --> 00:27:40,133 Speaker 3: Moose and he got an inside edge and then onto 470 00:27:40,133 --> 00:27:45,613 Speaker 3: the poles. So yeah, it did look uncertain. I'm not 471 00:27:46,093 --> 00:27:51,813 Speaker 3: sure about this batting thing, and very different from Tom 472 00:27:51,893 --> 00:27:54,293 Speaker 3: Latham who'd had a you know, had a few As 473 00:27:54,373 --> 00:27:58,533 Speaker 3: I say, though, twenty balls. Suddenly things get a little 474 00:27:58,573 --> 00:28:01,613 Speaker 3: bit easier. You can bat on a surface like that 475 00:28:02,053 --> 00:28:08,693 Speaker 3: if you can get through those initial deliveries and so 476 00:28:09,453 --> 00:28:15,093 Speaker 3: but Conway or Young, gosh, it's an interesting call. It's 477 00:28:15,133 --> 00:28:19,813 Speaker 3: an interesting call. I don't you know. I guess you'd say, look, 478 00:28:19,853 --> 00:28:24,053 Speaker 3: he's had two innings, he hasn't had much of a bat. 479 00:28:25,813 --> 00:28:29,173 Speaker 3: Would you give him another go? Is his output and fit? 480 00:28:29,253 --> 00:28:31,373 Speaker 3: And you'll only know that for watching him. I think 481 00:28:31,453 --> 00:28:36,333 Speaker 3: in the mets, to see how he's going, see how 482 00:28:36,373 --> 00:28:40,973 Speaker 3: he is in himself. He will be totally determined after 483 00:28:41,013 --> 00:28:44,053 Speaker 3: getting that casual contract. He knows he's got to do 484 00:28:44,213 --> 00:28:46,773 Speaker 3: well to stay in international cricket. 485 00:28:47,573 --> 00:28:50,333 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I could agree more. But just watching him, 486 00:28:50,373 --> 00:28:53,013 Speaker 4: I'm just thinking, this is this is a but this 487 00:28:53,053 --> 00:28:57,933 Speaker 4: is someone yeah, looking for something. Whereas Lathan, by contrast, 488 00:28:58,133 --> 00:29:01,013 Speaker 4: looked assured, we look decisive in what he was doing. 489 00:29:01,853 --> 00:29:05,293 Speaker 4: Same for Mitchell, and as you said, Williamson played I 490 00:29:05,333 --> 00:29:08,293 Speaker 4: thought the first thing beautifully that was in the start 491 00:29:08,413 --> 00:29:12,653 Speaker 4: contrast to deal in common and and heaven knows, I'm 492 00:29:12,733 --> 00:29:15,573 Speaker 4: a great fan of his and I really want him 493 00:29:15,573 --> 00:29:17,133 Speaker 4: see to do well. But I just I see a 494 00:29:17,173 --> 00:29:19,933 Speaker 4: person well and truly out of sorts and has been 495 00:29:19,973 --> 00:29:20,973 Speaker 4: so for quite a while. 496 00:29:21,053 --> 00:29:21,213 Speaker 3: You know. 497 00:29:21,333 --> 00:29:24,693 Speaker 4: I think Boomera got got into him a little bit, 498 00:29:24,733 --> 00:29:27,573 Speaker 4: and I think since then the old broken finger and 499 00:29:27,613 --> 00:29:31,453 Speaker 4: he just looks uncertain and all looks no good. It's 500 00:29:31,453 --> 00:29:32,973 Speaker 4: a warrant, yeah it is. 501 00:29:32,973 --> 00:29:36,013 Speaker 3: He's a good player, but he has been a really good, 502 00:29:36,413 --> 00:29:39,653 Speaker 3: good output for New Zealand at Open and it's a tough, 503 00:29:40,333 --> 00:29:43,053 Speaker 3: as I say, a tough job. But you know, is 504 00:29:43,093 --> 00:29:45,293 Speaker 3: that going to hold him there? I don't. I don't know. 505 00:29:45,333 --> 00:29:47,813 Speaker 3: You'd have to look and see how Will Young's playing 506 00:29:48,133 --> 00:29:50,053 Speaker 3: and how he's batting as well in the nets. I 507 00:29:50,053 --> 00:29:52,093 Speaker 3: don't think there's not much else you can judge it on, 508 00:29:52,253 --> 00:29:52,573 Speaker 3: is there? 509 00:29:54,453 --> 00:29:58,173 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I mean the concern for me is that 510 00:29:58,453 --> 00:30:02,533 Speaker 2: we don't have batsman and form, and that was quite obvious. 511 00:30:02,653 --> 00:30:08,053 Speaker 2: But the other concern is did our spinners deliver what 512 00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:12,293 Speaker 2: we want on that kind of pitch. I look at 513 00:30:12,293 --> 00:30:16,933 Speaker 2: those sorts of pictures and I don't think that we 514 00:30:16,973 --> 00:30:24,253 Speaker 2: would be prepared properly to play on that kind of 515 00:30:24,253 --> 00:30:24,853 Speaker 2: of pitch. 516 00:30:25,453 --> 00:30:27,293 Speaker 4: There's there's a few there where we didn't get very 517 00:30:27,373 --> 00:30:30,533 Speaker 4: much output, did we? I mean to go to Satner 518 00:30:31,093 --> 00:30:34,133 Speaker 4: didn't have a great test did he at all? In fact, 519 00:30:34,653 --> 00:30:38,933 Speaker 4: in fact his production is pretty poor full stop over 520 00:30:39,013 --> 00:30:42,253 Speaker 4: he's you know whatever it is test matches that he's got, 521 00:30:42,293 --> 00:30:45,853 Speaker 4: but that you'd be expecting more from Satner with matter 522 00:30:45,893 --> 00:30:50,053 Speaker 4: crickety that he's played over over time, I think I'll 523 00:30:50,053 --> 00:30:53,853 Speaker 4: be looking somewhere else myself to come into the site. 524 00:30:54,333 --> 00:30:58,573 Speaker 3: Well, Satainer's stas picture as a major spinner, wasn't he 525 00:30:59,333 --> 00:31:03,813 Speaker 3: was in this game He's bold a thirty thirty three, 526 00:31:03,933 --> 00:31:07,693 Speaker 3: thirty four overs, he's both four maidens one for one 527 00:31:07,733 --> 00:31:11,253 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty Dean. I thought he lost his length's 528 00:31:11,373 --> 00:31:16,013 Speaker 3: It's almost what I couldn't quite understand from our spinners 529 00:31:16,693 --> 00:31:19,533 Speaker 3: was it was a pitch that was doing something from 530 00:31:19,653 --> 00:31:24,533 Speaker 3: natural variation on the surface anyways, And so I thought 531 00:31:24,533 --> 00:31:27,813 Speaker 3: of he could just go back and bowl as he 532 00:31:27,853 --> 00:31:31,693 Speaker 3: did were under Hessen, which was to bowl maidens and 533 00:31:31,813 --> 00:31:34,213 Speaker 3: just keep the ball there and keep the ball there 534 00:31:34,853 --> 00:31:38,573 Speaker 3: and bowl more like a one day style he makes. 535 00:31:38,693 --> 00:31:43,053 Speaker 3: It seems to me in test matches Mitchell Santa tries 536 00:31:43,093 --> 00:31:46,373 Speaker 3: to bowl an extravagantly different way than he doesn't in 537 00:31:46,453 --> 00:31:49,733 Speaker 3: one day cricket, and I don't think he needs to 538 00:31:49,853 --> 00:31:52,733 Speaker 3: in a surface like that in Asia he can keep 539 00:31:52,773 --> 00:31:56,493 Speaker 3: it there and keep it there and it will naturally 540 00:31:56,573 --> 00:31:59,093 Speaker 3: do something at the other end. Even though he's not 541 00:31:59,533 --> 00:32:03,173 Speaker 3: imparting loads of revs on the ball, it doesn't matter 542 00:32:03,253 --> 00:32:08,333 Speaker 3: quite so much. And so I just felt he did, 543 00:32:08,333 --> 00:32:12,373 Speaker 3: didn't you know, he didn't use the right style of play, 544 00:32:13,173 --> 00:32:15,973 Speaker 3: and we but Age has bowled beautifully in the first 545 00:32:16,013 --> 00:32:18,853 Speaker 3: session of the match and then was swapped around to 546 00:32:18,893 --> 00:32:22,893 Speaker 3: the other end and lost his length completely, and so 547 00:32:23,933 --> 00:32:27,013 Speaker 3: that was that was that was a shame for him. 548 00:32:27,413 --> 00:32:30,253 Speaker 3: And I thought that perhaps Saudi mister trick and just 549 00:32:30,333 --> 00:32:32,293 Speaker 3: having a chat and saying, look, how about this end here? 550 00:32:32,373 --> 00:32:34,933 Speaker 3: Is that end better for you? I don't know. They 551 00:32:34,973 --> 00:32:38,613 Speaker 3: may have had that discussion, isn't. 552 00:32:38,453 --> 00:32:40,613 Speaker 4: He and therefore he should be he should be afforded 553 00:32:40,613 --> 00:32:43,053 Speaker 4: that sort of courtesy. I would have would have thought. 554 00:32:42,893 --> 00:32:46,133 Speaker 3: Would yeah, well, I I thought Phillips actually in the 555 00:32:46,173 --> 00:32:49,013 Speaker 3: first that first day and that second session was our 556 00:32:49,053 --> 00:32:52,373 Speaker 3: best spinner while those two weren't bowling quite so well 557 00:32:52,413 --> 00:32:57,013 Speaker 3: the left arms. So they bowled. He bowled Dan and 558 00:32:57,093 --> 00:32:59,373 Speaker 3: Jay had the silver, didn't he and then kept it 559 00:32:59,453 --> 00:33:03,773 Speaker 3: relatively tight and he was flat. It wasn't getted up 560 00:33:03,813 --> 00:33:06,853 Speaker 3: above the batsman's head and bring him out and go 561 00:33:07,013 --> 00:33:11,333 Speaker 3: past the bat and those kinds of dismissals. He was 562 00:33:11,373 --> 00:33:13,733 Speaker 3: more firing it in and getting the ball to turn. 563 00:33:14,053 --> 00:33:18,013 Speaker 3: So I just thought it was a pitch that should 564 00:33:18,053 --> 00:33:20,893 Speaker 3: have suited Santna and he would have been rewarded for 565 00:33:21,373 --> 00:33:24,533 Speaker 3: more accuracy, I thought, and I think as far as 566 00:33:24,573 --> 00:33:28,493 Speaker 3: the batting is concerned, he got two off two and 567 00:33:28,533 --> 00:33:32,613 Speaker 3: two off twenty two. So at number eight, you know, 568 00:33:33,533 --> 00:33:36,933 Speaker 3: we're going to talk a little bit about India and Bangladesh. 569 00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:40,813 Speaker 3: Perhaps there is Ashwin batting down at eight getting one hundred. 570 00:33:41,933 --> 00:33:46,173 Speaker 3: So number eight and nine you need runs in Asia, 571 00:33:46,933 --> 00:33:51,573 Speaker 3: Stantna and Saudi Saudi three off ten and two off nine. 572 00:33:52,253 --> 00:33:56,053 Speaker 3: We are not getting the output that we need from 573 00:33:56,213 --> 00:34:00,493 Speaker 3: eight to nine at the moment ten and eleven, just defend. 574 00:34:00,613 --> 00:34:04,493 Speaker 3: That's all I expect from you. Defend, you know, in 575 00:34:04,573 --> 00:34:06,893 Speaker 3: age as two off twenty two and the second and 576 00:34:07,173 --> 00:34:10,973 Speaker 3: that's the sort of innings thereafter batting with the batsman Ravendra, 577 00:34:11,693 --> 00:34:14,373 Speaker 3: that's the kind of innings we want to see from 578 00:34:14,373 --> 00:34:19,653 Speaker 3: ten and eleven. But that all those eight nineteen eleven 579 00:34:20,253 --> 00:34:24,933 Speaker 3: they scored thirteen runs in the first innings from twenty 580 00:34:24,973 --> 00:34:27,973 Speaker 3: six balls they are all out in four point two overs, 581 00:34:28,813 --> 00:34:33,533 Speaker 3: So that's not what we need for the remaining games 582 00:34:33,573 --> 00:34:35,373 Speaker 3: from that part of the order. 583 00:34:36,133 --> 00:34:39,253 Speaker 2: Well, are we needing to include braceful? 584 00:34:40,013 --> 00:34:42,853 Speaker 3: We need to include bracefall if you want to have 585 00:34:43,453 --> 00:34:46,733 Speaker 3: two spinners plus your two part timers, if that's what 586 00:34:46,773 --> 00:34:51,573 Speaker 3: you want your balance, and not three seemers and one spinner, 587 00:34:52,093 --> 00:34:55,733 Speaker 3: because those are the options. If you want the two spinners, 588 00:34:55,773 --> 00:34:56,933 Speaker 3: then Bracewell comes in. 589 00:34:57,533 --> 00:34:59,773 Speaker 4: And if I could be slightly controversial, I want to 590 00:34:59,773 --> 00:35:04,253 Speaker 4: see Henry there, who's batting has been far more superior 591 00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:09,653 Speaker 4: than them than the captains has been as well. So 592 00:35:11,013 --> 00:35:14,373 Speaker 4: with Satna and with with with with Tim Souvey, we've 593 00:35:14,373 --> 00:35:16,493 Speaker 4: got nothing out of out of them in the batting 594 00:35:16,533 --> 00:35:19,053 Speaker 4: and haven't had some for some time. And so just 595 00:35:19,893 --> 00:35:22,213 Speaker 4: once you get down to down to eight, it's pretty 596 00:35:22,293 --> 00:35:25,013 Speaker 4: much they just go through you. And that's we'll see. 597 00:35:26,013 --> 00:35:30,573 Speaker 3: Yep, more than the batting moose. Saudi's not giving us 598 00:35:30,573 --> 00:35:34,173 Speaker 3: the bowling either, He's not, you know, I said, Oh 599 00:35:34,293 --> 00:35:38,293 Speaker 3: Rourke Bold thirty six overs. Saudi basically the number three 600 00:35:38,413 --> 00:35:42,053 Speaker 3: as well, and seeming you'd expect him to bowl the overs, 601 00:35:42,093 --> 00:35:46,373 Speaker 3: wouldn't you? More than o? Rourke younger man, faster man, 602 00:35:46,813 --> 00:35:51,413 Speaker 3: Saudi bold thirty overs, got one wicket and that was 603 00:35:51,933 --> 00:35:54,533 Speaker 3: that year. And that was a good catch from Bracewill 604 00:35:54,573 --> 00:35:57,173 Speaker 3: at mid wicket, wasn't it sort of just just diving away, 605 00:35:57,373 --> 00:36:01,853 Speaker 3: So so he's not really not really performing it and 606 00:36:01,933 --> 00:36:05,453 Speaker 3: he's bold less overs. So I didn't kind of quite 607 00:36:05,653 --> 00:36:07,493 Speaker 3: I sort of understand it because I wrought was the 608 00:36:07,533 --> 00:36:09,733 Speaker 3: one who was dangerous. But at the same time he 609 00:36:09,773 --> 00:36:11,373 Speaker 3: could have done more. He could have done more work 610 00:36:11,373 --> 00:36:13,453 Speaker 3: considered the spinners to break it up. 611 00:36:13,573 --> 00:36:17,293 Speaker 4: Well bolls and maidens. But you're right, just back on Satler. 612 00:36:17,333 --> 00:36:20,093 Speaker 4: I mean, if you want an example of what I've 613 00:36:20,093 --> 00:36:22,133 Speaker 4: had a bowl in those sort of conditions, you've got 614 00:36:22,213 --> 00:36:26,013 Speaker 4: today Ja from India, who bowls those left arm darts 615 00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:28,893 Speaker 4: coming in and lets the variation off the wicket happen. 616 00:36:29,013 --> 00:36:31,453 Speaker 4: He's a rat example. And also, by the way, but 617 00:36:31,613 --> 00:36:35,493 Speaker 4: eighty six as well, and then the first first shot 618 00:36:36,133 --> 00:36:40,093 Speaker 4: there's your model there, and that's what that's what India. 619 00:36:40,133 --> 00:36:41,773 Speaker 4: That's what we're going to be confronted in the coming 620 00:36:41,813 --> 00:36:43,813 Speaker 4: and coming weeks, aren't we Those guys. 621 00:36:44,093 --> 00:36:46,733 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's that's a different that's a that's a 622 00:36:46,813 --> 00:36:51,493 Speaker 3: that's several grades up, I'm afraid, but as a general question, 623 00:36:51,573 --> 00:36:53,813 Speaker 3: I think we should just stick on SOUTHI for a second, 624 00:36:54,213 --> 00:36:57,413 Speaker 3: six overs less than o'rock in the match seven wickets less, 625 00:36:57,773 --> 00:36:59,973 Speaker 3: took the new ball in the first innings, was bowling 626 00:36:59,973 --> 00:37:02,013 Speaker 3: between one hundred and twenty five and one hundred and 627 00:37:02,013 --> 00:37:04,933 Speaker 3: twenty eight. Got sort of. I would have thought over 628 00:37:04,973 --> 00:37:09,133 Speaker 3: two overs, two balls over the one thirty bowling four 629 00:37:09,173 --> 00:37:12,933 Speaker 3: point four overs per session? Is that enough for your 630 00:37:12,973 --> 00:37:15,893 Speaker 3: number two and three? Seema? I just like a sort 631 00:37:15,893 --> 00:37:18,453 Speaker 3: of an answer, is it enough for you guys? And 632 00:37:18,493 --> 00:37:22,213 Speaker 3: would Henry have given the side more, more pace, more 633 00:37:22,253 --> 00:37:25,733 Speaker 3: consistency and maybe more runs? Saw there's a bit of 634 00:37:25,813 --> 00:37:27,493 Speaker 3: catcher in the slips. 635 00:37:28,013 --> 00:37:32,093 Speaker 4: Agree with that, But I don't think we're planning because 636 00:37:32,133 --> 00:37:33,333 Speaker 4: it can catch a second slip. 637 00:37:33,653 --> 00:37:36,653 Speaker 3: No, I'm just kind of I'm trying to balance the discussion. 638 00:37:36,693 --> 00:37:40,093 Speaker 4: That's all to my mind. Henry's been our best bowl 639 00:37:40,413 --> 00:37:43,333 Speaker 4: for some time now, or quicker bowl of it us 640 00:37:43,853 --> 00:37:48,093 Speaker 4: for some time now, and I just think by virtue 641 00:37:48,093 --> 00:37:53,733 Speaker 4: of his performances just needs a position. You can't drop 642 00:37:54,413 --> 00:37:57,293 Speaker 4: a Rourke, So it rather leaves you with something of 643 00:37:57,333 --> 00:37:57,853 Speaker 4: a dilemma. 644 00:37:57,933 --> 00:38:00,573 Speaker 3: I think, well, what do you reckon was if you 645 00:38:00,613 --> 00:38:02,093 Speaker 3: were coach, what would you do? 646 00:38:03,373 --> 00:38:05,213 Speaker 2: Well? We may not have agreed on the quality of 647 00:38:05,293 --> 00:38:08,653 Speaker 2: the pits, but I'm an agreement on the changes you jest, 648 00:38:08,853 --> 00:38:12,653 Speaker 2: Henry Forsali embrace will for Satner as you say it 649 00:38:12,693 --> 00:38:16,653 Speaker 2: may improve the batting as well most and yet another 650 00:38:16,733 --> 00:38:18,813 Speaker 2: loss for the white fans in Australia. I just thought 651 00:38:18,853 --> 00:38:21,573 Speaker 2: i'd pop that in ten and a row now. But 652 00:38:21,693 --> 00:38:25,093 Speaker 2: great that Georgia Plummer has finally shown some ability at 653 00:38:25,093 --> 00:38:27,773 Speaker 2: the top of the order the first half century for 654 00:38:27,813 --> 00:38:31,613 Speaker 2: New Zealand in thirty eight innings fifty three, so we're 655 00:38:31,613 --> 00:38:35,733 Speaker 2: well done, but unfortunately they've lost again. Thanks your tom 656 00:38:36,253 --> 00:38:40,133 Speaker 2: guys once again look forward to another Test match on 657 00:38:40,333 --> 00:38:43,293 Speaker 2: Just off down to the tab to get a bet 658 00:38:43,333 --> 00:38:45,893 Speaker 2: on the side that wins the toss will win the 659 00:38:45,973 --> 00:38:50,973 Speaker 2: Test match. You want to be part of it? 660 00:38:53,533 --> 00:38:58,973 Speaker 3: Well, look, I thought it was a reasonably close first Test, really, 661 00:38:59,093 --> 00:39:03,253 Speaker 3: I mean New Zealand had missed opportunities and there are 662 00:39:03,293 --> 00:39:06,733 Speaker 3: as you can hear, we got some potential tweaks. We 663 00:39:06,893 --> 00:39:10,573 Speaker 3: reckon all strength and the site and what's the pitch? 664 00:39:11,093 --> 00:39:12,893 Speaker 3: What's the picture going to be like? So quite a 665 00:39:12,893 --> 00:39:15,093 Speaker 3: bit to enjoy over the next few days. 666 00:39:15,333 --> 00:39:16,013 Speaker 4: Yes, all right, and. 667 00:39:16,453 --> 00:39:18,013 Speaker 2: You and I, You and I and Jerry are going 668 00:39:18,093 --> 00:39:20,253 Speaker 2: to have to apply to New Zealand Cricket to become 669 00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:24,613 Speaker 2: selectors and pick the team on a daily basis overqualified. 670 00:39:29,293 --> 00:39:30,613 Speaker 4: We'll see what happens, all right. 671 00:39:30,493 --> 00:39:33,453 Speaker 2: Next week when we review the Thank you, Thank you, 672 00:39:33,573 --> 00:39:36,173 Speaker 2: Jamond and I'll see it at the a B Cheers. 673 00:39:42,933 --> 00:39:52,453 Speaker 1: Summer For more from news talks at B, listen live 674 00:39:52,653 --> 00:39:55,373 Speaker 1: on air or online, and keep our shows with you 675 00:39:55,413 --> 00:39:58,373 Speaker 1: wherever you go with our podcasts on iart Radio.